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AlterNet Takes on Shock Jock Michael Savage and Gets Threatened With a Lawsuit

By Don Hazen and Tana Ganeva, AlterNet. Posted June 10, 2009.


When we helped publicize the link between bilious talk show host Michael Savage and Rockstar energy drink, we got a letter from their lawyers.

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Michael Savage, right-wing crusader against gays, immigrants, Muslims, Barack Obama, Britain, women, (and possibly puppies), may have found a new object for his wrath: groups that have the temerity to publicize the vicious talk-show host’s connection to Rockstar energy drink -- and to call for a boycott by consumers opposed to Savage's hatemongering.

As part of AlterNet's 10 Hottest Campaigns section, we published a piece alerting readers to a boycott against the Rockstar products. The campaign, launched by Charles C.C. Tsai on Facebook, brought attention to the connection between Savage and the energy drink company. Tsai's page pointed out that Savage's son, Russell Weiner, is the founder and CEO of Rockstar. Savage's wife serves as director of energy drink company, and Savage Productions shares an address with Rockstar(!). 

On May 27, the same day the piece was published, Rockstar’s lawyers sent AlterNet a letter accusing us of defamation. The letter read, in part:

Mr. Savage is not affiliated with Rockstar in any manner. Alternet.org’s use of the article to tie Rockstar to Mr. Savage’s statements is wholly improper. Not only does it place Rockstar in a false light, but it constitutes defamation, both of which are objectional.

The offices of Glaser, Weil, Fink, Jacobs, Howard & Shapiro, also demanded an "immediate public retraction of these statements and an apology in substantially as conspicuous a matter on AlterNet.org as the defamatory statements were published."

So, we "apologized," sort of. Here’s what we said:

Lawyers from Rockstar have written AlterNet threatening to sue us because they claim that Michael Savage (aka Weiner) is not a "co-founder" of the Rockstar drink company, as was described in our item, but rather his son, Russell Weiner, is the CEO and principle shareholder, and that Savage has never been an officer, director, employee or shareholder, of the company. AlterNet does not have any specific knowledge of family discussions, meetings, etc., that led to the formation of the company to be able to prove that he was a "co-founder."

Nevertheless, a dictionary definition of "co-founder" offers: "to establish or found in concert with another or others." Thus, it would require, perhaps, for Savage and his son to deny they ever spoke about the founding of the company in order for Savage to be unqualified as a founder. The definition of co-founder doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with ownership, shareholding, etc.

That being said, in the absence of proof of the inner workings of the Weiner family, we retract the comment that Michael Savage was a "co-founder" of the beverage company and offer apologies, if somehow that characterization casts aspersions on any members of the Weiner family, or Savage himself.

Others have also been compelled to write retractions and say “I'm sorry." Gaywired, which published a story about TheTruthAboutRockstar.com, issued this statement.

Meanwhile, Tsai and his Facebook group fared far worse after taking on Rockstar and Savage:

"I made a group to let others know and be able to make a similar choice if they wanted; the group was formed, and it quickly grew to over 12,000 members." Tsai, says in a statement. “In it, we put together a list of quotations from Michael Savage Weiner, as well as his son, that we strongly did not agree with."

Tsai continues:

We also put commonly known information, such as the fact that they co-founded the extremely conservative Paul Revere society, which openly calls for actions such as “eliminate bilingual education in all states" and "traditional marriage." More easily proven information was included as well.


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Crush a can of "Rockstar"
Posted by: weathered on Jun 10, 2009 1:52 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
not at the store level, but more effectively identify the distributor?
Rockstar is a cheap, junk drink, a RedBull-shit wanabe.
Its gotta come off someone's truck, find out call them there's nothing more effective than a "Savage Weiner".

AlterNet tell Savage's attorney your readership demands disclosure of the distributors of consumer goods as a matter of public record. Enjoin the distributors as part of a clarification dispute listing the retail store customers carrying the brand.

WE can be effective.

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» RE: Crush a can of "Rockstar" Posted by: MausMasher54
» Can you prove that? Posted by: UnEasyOne
» RE: Can you prove that? Posted by: msteryis
» RE: Can you prove that? Posted by: babs
» RE: Can you prove that? Posted by: MausMasher54
» Not to worry, Lauren Posted by: countingdaisies
» RE: Not to worry, Lauren Posted by: Quannah
» Is your name Lauren? Posted by: countingdaisies
» RE: Is your name Lauren? Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Is your name Lauren? Posted by: peacefullaim1
» RE: Not to worry, Lauren Posted by: peacefullaim1
» Can't boycot... Posted by: Bbear41
I wish I drank that crap
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Jun 10, 2009 2:19 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Since I don't, my boycott has little effect.

I do like to think, however, that my efforts to inform progressives - in various forums - of the evil of the savage wiener have had some little effect.

This piece of nonhuman excrement truly deseres the fate he unjustly advocates for liberals with his eliminationist rhetoric.

Calling us "scum", "filth", "vermin" and whatever else can communicate the idea to even the most dimwitted of his followers that we liberals deserve only death, (What, after all, is the appropriate response to an infestation of "vermin"?) he attempts nightly to instill them with a burning need to ACT on his tirades "for the sake of the children."

He contends that our very existence is a threat to lovers of freedom, democracy and innocent children everywhere. We are perverts, you see, and if we continue to live, the most horrible of fates will befall right-thinking Christians, Americans, and all of their children. He says it with such passion and with so much repetition that is is very surprising that that there isn't more violence linked to his demagoguery than is already the case.

With his batteries of lawyers, he skates as close to the edge of outright advocacy for mass murder as is possible to do, narrowly avoiding clear evidence that he is in fact guilty of incitement to riot, treason, and direct advocacy of murder.

Words can kill. They DO kill. Just ask any Mafia Don, the shades of Hitler and Goebbels and the Hutu in Ruanda, who took over the radio stations and commenced a genocide against the Tsutsies in that country - or the friends and relatives of Dr. Tiller.

That this piece of vomitus is allowed his rants nightly on my public airwaves licensed in my name to serve the public interest without even having to fear a reply to refute his lies is simply beyond belief.

This is NOT free speech, it is criminal. I want that bastard off the air and under the jail.

Once again, I beg my progressive friends to actually listen to his program just once if you have not done so already. It will scare hell out of you. If you have not already done so, it is likely you think I exaggerate. That just isn't possible.

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» You said it, Michael Savage is a hoot! Posted by: countingdaisies
» RE: I wish I drank that crap Posted by: lively56
» RE: Bush legacy Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: I wish I drank that crap Posted by: NickJones
» You do not exaggerate Posted by: jackyD
Anyone got naked pix of Weiner with Ginsberg
Posted by: strahlungsamt on Jun 10, 2009 2:27 AM   
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You know, Allen Ginsberg, beatnik and founder of NAMBLA? That perverted organization which advocates sex with children, regardless of age.

See them here: http://www.nambla.org (don't worry - it's protected free speech).

Him and Weiner were best buddies back in the day. I can't imagine the publicity value such a picture would bring.

Anyone???

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» RE: Wow, talk about Hate Speech... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
Savage Litte Weiner
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 10, 2009 2:50 AM   
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I don't know about you, but as a grownup I would feel really stupid walking around holding a can of some shit/pap combo that had the word(s) "Rockstar" on its face. Seriously - what kind of asshole would want to be associated with something like that?

It has always been obvious that Michael Weiner only respects the Second Amendment when it pertains to him. Apparently the entire Weiner family has a problem with it.

Lenny Bruce's House

Tom Degan
Gsohen, NY

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» RE: Savage Litte Weiner Posted by: marchpet
» RE: Savage Litte Weiner Posted by: babs
» RE: Savage Litte Weiner Posted by: gathaiga
» RE: Savage Litte Weiner Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Savage Litte Weiner Posted by: surfreality
» OOPS! Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Savage Litte Weiner Posted by: Aquinas
Zodiac12
Posted by: zodiac12 on Jun 10, 2009 3:04 AM   
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What did he say about Britain? I must say I was against banning him from entry to the UK. The only really effective way of laughing at someone with outlandish considerations is 'in their presence'. I would have enjoyed seeing and hearing his response to those waiting for him at Heathrow. Do people like this really believe what they say, or is all wrapped around pay cheques.

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» RE: Zodiac12 Posted by: Freticat
Tens of thousands of new people will learn .....
Posted by: GerryAttric on Jun 10, 2009 3:23 AM   
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about its link to vicious hate-mongerer Michael Savage.

I am one and without Facebook I can tell two friends who can also tell two friends, and so on and so on and so on...

Wasn't that great commercial?

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"Taste the Hate"- RockStars new Slogan?
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 10, 2009 4:28 AM   
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Or is it really the Fear?
Racism,like sexism, is nothing more than the overreaction to fear. Fearful if not given carte blanc, the group will be unable to make the grade. What I hear when racist/sexist start their nervous chatter is the lack of self esteem, lack of confidence in their own demographics abilities.What this really reveals is their own Self Loathing.by projecting this self hate outward the (inaccurately) assume no one else will recognize their own short comings or more accurately their perception of their own shortfalls.
To Those in the Right Wing Hate/fearmongering fringe....Have a Lil' SELF Respect.
I Truely believe that even if the playing field is leveled- you too could still be a contender!
Perhaps instead of using the word 'Koolaid' when discussing the sociopathic ideologies which intoxicate and poison the Far Right we should begin referring to it as the 'RockStar' they've been drinking...does that contain a hallucingenic, a steriod or just Lead.
New advertising campaign 'Screw the Wings, Get Ragin' Retardation with Delusions of Granduer with Rockstar!' And doesn't that typify more what rockstars become? Maybe the product name says more about it then they had actually intended. Janis Joplin, Jim Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain....Ya Baby that's exactly what I want an Energy Drink to do for me!

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» Ha!! Perfect. Posted by: Beck
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Simplify your life
Posted by: moenbailey on Jun 10, 2009 5:34 AM   
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I will never use facebook and I will never touch a Rockstar product!

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» I hear ya! Posted by: Tweck9
Screw these hateful, arrogant nazi wankers!
Posted by: Tweck9 on Jun 10, 2009 6:03 AM   
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I'm starting a little status-update campaign. Post this as your facebook/twitter status:

"Boycott ROCKSTAR Energy Drink - co-founded by hatemonger Michael Savage - pass it on! I vow to never touch another can. Fuck you, Weiners!"

It's the longest length possible for a twitter post.

Maybe we can generate a flurry of status updates with this exercise of free speech on them. It won't accomplish much, but every little thing counts.

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parrotuya
Posted by: parrotuya on Jun 10, 2009 6:05 AM   
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Do what the conserva-hards do. Hide behind the first amendment regardless of whether the statement is true or not.

DOWn, baby, DOWn!

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JT Barrie
Posted by: rimchamp77 on Jun 10, 2009 6:13 AM   
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Such an association presumes a cordial, friendly relationship between father and son and this is NOT true - especially if the father is a blowhard advocate of hate politics. Those parents who express strident opinions most often invoke negative reactions from offspring. That said, I wonder why the younger Wiener is not speaking up and distancing himself from his father. Has he exploited daddy's friends for startup money? When strident opinions evoke monetary support this rule of thumb often disappears. Of course being indebted to an abusive father often discourages such gravy train behaviors from offspring.

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» RE: JT Barrie Posted by: Tweck9
Send in the Clowns
Posted by: inprov73 on Jun 10, 2009 6:18 AM   
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What really bothers me are all the people who say they listen to this dirtbag for "laughs" or "entertainment" (and plenty of folks say the same about Limbaugh and Beck). There's a lot better entertainment out there if you take the time to look. I believe these "gentlemen" don't always believe in the garbage they're spouting, but do it to attract as large an audience as possible who will listen just to hear their next outrageous pronouncement. There will always be pinheads who hang on and believe every word, but the rest of us should tune them out and, hopefully, watch their ratings plummet.

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» RE: Send in the Clowns Posted by: Morell
Rockstar's secondary assocations & marketing partners
Posted by: maxfrisson on Jun 10, 2009 6:24 AM   
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I believe that a place where you could quickly impact the marketing of Savage's energy drink is their promotions program in MOTORCYCLE RACING.

Rockstar is partnered with MAKITA Power Tools and SUZUKI motorcycles to sponsor several top off-road and roadracing motorcycle teams. This is an important branding effort by the beverage in question as Red Bull, Monster, AMP and others have successfully used this niche of motorsports marketing to establish market awareness. That's how I came to know Red Bull.

SUZUKI and MAKITA are Japanese companies and as such have a corporate culture that avoids controversy. Probably not hard to find some Anti-Japanese quotes from MS. This is a multicultural youth market where the right-wing rants of Mike won't play well.

Pushing awareness of the links to the Weiners to their marketing partners could hurt them in this arena. I know that few riders and motorcycle fans know of the evil insidious links to one of America's worst embarrassments.

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I joined the Facebook group and an other one I found
Posted by: SufiLizard on Jun 10, 2009 7:28 AM   
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I'm someone who wouldn't have known about this at all, but now I do so I added my name.

I can't really boycott, because I don't drink that crap, but now I'm armed with information whenever I see someone else drink it.

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kb
Posted by: KAB on Jun 10, 2009 7:51 AM   
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Energy drinks are one thing. Worse is a law firm that participates is this obnoxious, un-American, anti-free speech crap. Stunts like this are why attorneys are the most Despised profession in the world. Their email is: info@glaserweil.com Tell 'em what you think.

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Weiner is actually trying to sue for defamation? PUH-LEASE!
Posted by: magiquarian1969 on Jun 10, 2009 8:07 AM   
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Assholes hate getting a dose of their own medicine.

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co-founder?
Posted by: bizeeb on Jun 10, 2009 8:51 AM   
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While I hate Michael Savage, and also hate defending him, I do think that alternet's definition of co-founder is bogus:

'Nevertheless, a dictionary definition of "co-founder" offers: "to establish or found in concert with another or others." Thus, it would require, perhaps, for Savage and his son to deny they ever spoke about the founding of the company in order for Savage to be unqualified as a founder. The definition of co-founder doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with ownership, shareholding, etc.'

What a bunch of Clintonesque, lawyerly crap! By this logic, lots of Jeff Bezos' friends could claim to be co-founders of amazon.com simply because he discussed the idea w/them.

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Boycott facebook too!
Posted by: Finnegansawake on Jun 10, 2009 9:16 AM   
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Something this article brings up, although in a rather indirect way, is how online movements started via social networking can be quickly squashed if that group get hijacked or simply taken down by the provider. As useful as sites like facebook are for communicating and organizing on a massive scale, it also provides a rather trivial method of killing a social movement as well.

On top of that, people should really start paying attention to who is funding these sites, and thereby getting access to your information, Facebook in particular

So what to do? It would be silly to give up on organizing via the internet, but people should be looking to organize via social networks that aren't driven by advertising and marketing. The RiseUp.net collective has been developing a social network to address these very challenges: Crabgrass. Granted the software underlying it is still in its nascency, but people need to be aware of options other than facebook and myspace for organizing political movements.

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demonstrates the need to back up
Posted by: billwald on Jun 10, 2009 10:20 AM   
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Important stuff put on web storage needs to be backed up.

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Savage is a barking poodle dog...
Posted by: apefist on Jun 10, 2009 11:32 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
That you just want to kick. Put Savage, Beck, Hannity and O'Reilley on a desert island and guess which one would canibalize the others first. It's a trick question, they'll all do it as soon as they realize where they are--and that there are no cameras or microphones or yuck-up sidekicks.

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» RE: barking poodle dog... Posted by: WyrdSister
rockstar... its got electrolytes
Posted by: Bearzerker on Jun 10, 2009 12:21 PM   
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because it... has electrolytes!

gdi i luved that movie

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What's really defamatory
Posted by: SickOfSophistry on Jun 10, 2009 12:22 PM   
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There's a point here no has mentioned yet: Defamation is the utterance or publication of a false, negative statement; as BusinessDictionary.com defines it, it's the "making of false, derogatory statement(s) in private or public about a person's business practices, character, financial status, morals, or reputation."

So a false statement isn't defamatory on its own, but only if it says something bad about someone. That means RockStar's lawyers are claiming that connecting their company with Savage is automatically an insult to the company. I might have to agree with them about that.

One other thing: Apparently, the making of false, derogatory statements about entire races, ethnic groups, genders, etc., is perfectly okay, at least in Savage world.

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Good work, AlterNet! Long past time to take out the trash....
Posted by: DaBear on Jun 10, 2009 12:46 PM   
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But in its campaign to muzzle critics, Rockstar has overplayed its hand; now, tens of thousands of new people will learn about its link to vicious hate-mongerer Michael Savage.

I'm #10,001.

Fuck their lawyers, I'm willing to wager a simple public doc search including corporate filings and the dba filing will protect everyone the Savage-Weiner fuckers have gone huntin' fer. Time to kick some Nazi-ass.

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E mail
Posted by: 4changenow on Jun 10, 2009 1:47 PM   
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info@rockstar69.com

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I heard about the Savage / Rockstar connection from
Posted by: Jdog on Jun 10, 2009 2:02 PM   
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Savage himself. He mentioned it on his program, I forget why. But he specifically mentioned his son heading up the company, at which point I specifically avoided that brand of energy drink.

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Russell Weiner is either the son of Michael Savage or he isn't?
Posted by: nickspm on Jun 10, 2009 2:31 PM   
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Russell Weiner is either the son of Michael Savage or he isn't?

It appears that he is. So there is nothing wrong with saying that Michael Savage is the father of Russel Weiner, the founder and CEO of Rockstar (The energy drink, as long as it is true. There is no libel. There is no defamation. It's simply a fact. I noticed the the lawyers didn't deny the relationship between the two individuals.

What next? 2+2=4
Hey you can't speak about 4 that way.

Please, courts don't take kindly to frivolous lawsuits.

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Sins of the father
Posted by: LoveAlex59 on Jun 10, 2009 3:37 PM   
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I know absolutely nothing about the son's political point-of-view! Perhaps he totally disagrees with the old fool and thus it would be a shame to punish him for his father's stupidity. Many children don't share their parents' views (Ron Reagan for example!)! Until I know more about the son I cannot support targeting his company for boycott!

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BA
Posted by: mnstra on Jun 10, 2009 5:52 PM   
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Apologizing to Savage is the same as apologizing to Hitler. He is one deadly radio dictator.

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You say, "Suing Runs in the Family..."
Posted by: jimmyaj on Jun 10, 2009 7:56 PM   
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Yes, that seems to someting reserved for the leisure class to do to keep the rest of us in line, threaten (or carry-out a lawsuit). Real working people can't afford lawyers to take them on.

The whole system is rigged, the money game, the law game.

Come on, Obama, snap out of dream mode.

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You say, "Suing Runs in the Family..."
Posted by: jimmyaj on Jun 10, 2009 7:56 PM   
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Yes, that seems to someting reserved for the leisure class to do to keep the rest of us in line, threaten (or carry-out a lawsuit). Real working people can't afford lawyers to take them on.

The whole system is rigged, the money game, the law game.

Come on, Obama, snap out of dream mode.

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Clarification
Posted by: nickspm on Jun 10, 2009 10:11 PM   
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If anything, some of that was a bit of a distraction anyway. Let's be clear. Anyone has a right to organize boycotts against a program's sponsors.

If an individual has already been banned from entering another country as a 'hate promoter' in the past. Consumers in that country might not be pleased to find out why their favorite product is being promoted elsewhere by someone unable to enter their own country.

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Resistor
Posted by: L5 on Jun 10, 2009 10:53 PM   
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Rock Star's lawyers wrote to Alternet that..."Not only does it place Rockstar in a false light, but it constitutes defamation, both of which are objectional."

Their lawyers are trying to spook alternet.

No time has even passed or any evidence gathered to to determine if any "false light" or "defamation" whatsoever, has actually occurred.
They also used the word "objectional" not the word "actionable" normally used by attorneys to threaten someone with a trip to court.

So why is Alternet even responding to these assholes?

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Rockstar C&D Letter - Served As Well!
Posted by: aebaldwin on Jun 11, 2009 12:10 AM   
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As one of the Facebook individuals who was also served with a C&D Letter from Glaser, Weil, Fink, Jacobs, Howard & Shapiro and the person that got San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom to give a May 11th $25K donation from Rockstar CEO Russell G. Weiner, I say the following:

FIRST CHARGE: COFOUNDER

"Among the offensive misrepresentations about ROCKSTAR contained in the Group is the baseless statement that Michael Weiner, who is also known as Michael Savage, (“Mr. Savage”) is a co-founder of ROCKSTAR. Russell Weiner, ROCKSTAR's CEO and principal shareholder is the sole founder of ROCKSTAR and Mr. Savage is not and has never been an officer, director, employee or shareholder of ROCKSTAR."

From ROCKSTAR's OWN archived WEBSITE:

"I was very fortunate to have been raised by two of the leading herbalists in the world, Dr. and Mrs. MICHAEL WEINER, Ph.D. ... From my earliest walking days, I remember exploring the jungles of the South Pacific on expeditions WITH MY PARENTS. ... MY FAMILY HAS taken that spirit and experience - their lifetime journey - and DEVELOPED the most complete, most unique, most powerful, and most honest energy beverage ever created: ROCKSTAR." - CEO RUSSELL GOLDENCLOUD WEINER

(Recently disabled by Rockstar, but good thing I took a screen shot of it!)

Los Angeles Business Journal, November 29, 2004, Rebecca Flass - Interview - Bigger gulp: Russ Weiner liked Red Bull, so he launched Rockstar Beverages, a competing drink, and bought a Hollywood party house to promote it.

Q: How did you do come up with the drink?

A: My dad and mom have done consulting for GNC, Twin Lab, Nature's Herbs and Amway, developing products for them throughout the '80s and '90s. I also worked with a flavor company. It took a year-and-a-half and 700 formulas. I would tell them what I wanted it to taste like. I gave them the list of ingredients. And then, I'd tell them what to add in, what to take out, a little, more, let's say, vanilla, a little more raspberry. Lower the guarana, raise the ginseng level. Back and forth, literally, that's why it took so long.

Glaser, Weil, Fink, Jacobs, Howard & Shapiro, LLP

What I really find hilarious about all this, is on LegalZoom.com, co-founded by Robert Sharpiro of law firm of Glaser, Weil, Fink, Jacobs, Howard & Shapiro, LLP, again the firm that sent me the above mentioned letter....is the following statement: (see below)

"He did so with the help of his father Michael Weiner, who is better known as conservative talk show host Michael Savage. Savage also helps with the drink company along with wife Janet Weiner, who is her son's CFO. Many groups have refused to do business with Weiner and Rock Star because of the connection to Michael Savage. Both on his radio show and on his television program, Savage made comments about homosexuality and transgendered issues that were considered offensive. His views on immigration and civil rights have also caused controversy."

LegalZoom.com Article

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Savage Weiner Brutal Sausage
Posted by: Mr. Jones on Jun 12, 2009 10:57 PM   
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Michael Savage, he of the mad, angry spectacle trying to live out his mid-life crisis on the radio. Its easy to sound powerful and have something to say when your behind a microphone. When his shift is over blathering on about what America needs, I guarantee he is a meek kitten purring in his litter box.

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Russell Weiner's Comments
Posted by: nickspm on Jun 13, 2009 9:43 AM   
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Russell Weiner, the CEO of Rockstar, has made some comments that relate to homosexuals, which might not go over well in different parts of Europe, which are known for being gay-friendly.

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ASSOCIATION WITH FATHER IS "DEFAMATION"?? ha ha ha
Posted by: AlwaysAskWhy on Jun 14, 2009 9:12 AM   
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ha ha ha ha ha... that's the ultimate insult to Weiner/Savage, now isn't it?? That his son is defamed by being associated with his father!!!

Boy, that's all anyone needs to know... ha ha ha.

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