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Is Israel's Aggression a Question of Pride?

By Ira Chernus, AlterNet. Posted June 11, 2009.


Israel would rather go down fighting than survive with a damaged sense of national pride. What would happen if concessions weren't so symbolic?

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Suppose Barack Obama really does want to herd the Israelis and Palestinians into serious, fruitful peace negotiations. How could he, or anyone, hope to get an agreement from these seemingly intractable enemies? Two researchers think they've found at least the beginning of an answer.

They asked nearly 4,000 Israelis and Palestinians what kind of peace deal they would accept. When they proposed "rational" bargains, like land for peace or sharing control of Jerusalem, the answers were generally negative. For both sides, the researchers found, the real sticking points are about values that people hold sacred. The tangible issues -- land, resources, political control, and the like -- are only symbols of these sacred values.

That's the best way for the U.S. to understand -- Israeli relations emerging over "natural growth" in the West Bank settlements. In itself it's a relatively small matter. "Natural growth" boosted the settler population by only 3 percent in 2007. Settler families that expand could easily move and find housing elsewhere, as all other expanding Israeli families do.

But the Obama administration has chosen this particular issue as the symbolic gesture Israel must make. And the Israeli government has responded by making "natural growth" the new symbol of all Israel's sacred values.

If they have to give up settlement expansion, what will they have to give up next, they ask. Jerusalem? The Jews' right to have their own state? Perhaps even the state of Israel itself? A people with such a long history of persecution might very well be afraid of losing everything the Jews hold dear. That fear could well explain their intransigence.

Except that's not quite what the research shows. For Israelis -- and for Palestinians -- the crux of the conflict is not about what values each side is afraid of losing and wants to protect. It's about how much they can force the other side to give up.

Most of the respondents on each side demanded a settlement "that involved their enemies making symbolic but difficult gestures." The respondents said they would make concessions as long as "the other side agreed to a symbolic sacrifice of one of its sacred values."

What sacred values? The researchers offered only examples of actions: Palestinians want an apology from the Jews, while Jews want recognition of Israel's right to exist. But what are the deeper values symbolized by these actions? And why is forcing sacrifice from the other side the crucial goal?

I don't know much about the Palestinians. But having grown up in an observant Jewish home, been active in Jewish community life, studied and taught the history of Judaism for decades, and had close relatives living in Israel for decades, I have a pretty good idea of the values driving the Jewish side of the conflict.

One of the key values, perhaps the most important of all, is national pride. And the most cherished symbol of pride is a victory over an enemy -- forcing it to give up something, anything, that symbolizes a loss of its pride.

I first saw this clearly on Yom Kippur 1973. I was in synagogue, observing the holiest day of the Jewish year, when I heard that the Egyptians had crossed the Suez Canal and attacked the Israeli troops stationed on the other side. My immediate response was something like this:

The Israelis are at the Suez Canal because they captured the Sinai Peninsula in the Six Day War in 1967. Why do the Egyptians want the Sinai back? It's a barren desert with no resources of any value. So I jumped to the conclusion (as a young man I was quicker to make assumptions about people I didn't know or understand) that the Egyptians did not want the land back. They wanted their national pride back. They had been humiliated in '67, and now they were going to recoup their self-esteem.

Therefore, I said, the Israelis can gain a huge advantage by withdrawing to the 1967 border, letting Egypt have the Sinai, throwing up their hands and crying "We lost!" They would have lost nothing of value. The Egyptians would be content. The way would be open for peace and security.

A few years later, the Israelis did give Sinai back to Egypt as part of a peace deal, and few Israelis expressed any regrets. How much easier to have done it on Yom Kippur 1973 and saved all that bloodshed.

But when I shared my logical solution with others in the synagogue, they simply didn't get it. I had no more success with my best friend, as I drove him to JFK Airport so he could fly back to Israel and rejoin his army unit for the Sinai war. To most Jews then, as to most Jews now, it was just obvious that when the enemy attacks, you fight back and inflict a loss on the attacker. That's how you bolster your national pride.


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Ira Chernus is professor of religious studies at the University of Colorado, Boulder and author of Monsters To Destroy: The Neoconservative War on Terror and Sin.

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Peace between Israel and Palestine would be horrible!
Posted by: saadasim on Jun 11, 2009 1:49 AM   
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A. People would not know what weapons to make. Israel's Military Industrial Complex would be in shambles. Foreign buyers could not ascertain the level of efficiency that Israel has over killing Palestinians. The US could not test its advanced airplanes and weapons there.

B. The Arabs, now seeing the Israeli issue resolved, would turn to their own leadership and want changes towards more democratization and freedom. The Arab governments, unable to divert people's attention, would have their own corruption and nepotism exposed.

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USA policy could change this & the Kissinger policy is still the basic policy
Posted by: ZPaul on Jun 11, 2009 3:27 AM   
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...As Chomsky pointed out in "Understanding Power":
"...there was kind of a split in the American government as to whether we should join the broad international consensus on a political settlement, or block a political settlement. And in that internal struggle, the hard-liners prevailed; Kissinger was the main spokesman. The policy that won out was what he called 'stalemate': keep things the way they are, maintain the system of Israeli oppression. And there was a good reason for that, it wasn't just out of the blue: having an embattled, militaristic Israel is an important part of how we rule the world."

At the same time, neither the Israeli nor the Palestinian government inspire my confidence.

I think the problem with the USA, the problem with Israel, the problem with the Palestinians, is that the people are out of touch with their leadership. Their governments aren't democratic, and the leadership is corrupt. Until that changes, things won't change.

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61 years of oppression
Posted by: russbumper on Jun 11, 2009 5:28 AM   
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nearly 400,000 settlers later(in violation of international law and the geneva convention)these religious fanatics continue to breed and overpopulate existing areas which they illegally occupy.enforce international law and u.n. resolutions,allow the right of return for palestinians,no more gaza invasions,allow humanitarian aid to gaza,etc.especially,stop u.s. aid to israel.justice will then follow,then(hopefully)peace.

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israel's problem
Posted by: joehillbilly on Jun 11, 2009 5:30 AM   
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The problem with israel is arrogance and reckless disregard for subhuman life. Subhuman being the rest of us.

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"Is Israel's Aggression a Question of Pride?"
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Jun 11, 2009 6:41 AM   
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NO!!

It IS a question of hateful, angry bullying bastards who USE the holocaust as an excuse to murder women and LITTLE CHILDREN because they are filled with self hate due to what they REALLY are.
They are so filled with hate that they are both afraid and unable to look at themselves.

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Otto
Posted by: otto on Jun 11, 2009 7:30 AM   
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Fantastic insight and a great article!

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Settlements Are "Atrocity Expansions"
Posted by: beeden on Jun 11, 2009 8:27 AM   
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"If they have to give up settlement expansion, what will they have to give up next, they ask."

The "settlement" expansion always seems to come after numerous atrocities have been committed on Palestinian citizens. These so called "settlements" should instead be renamed "Atrocity Expansions", given the Palestinian women, children, elderly and men who are violently forced from their land, often being maimed in the process, and often losing loved ones as well, so that these "fine residences" can be established.
In addition there is the daily, criminal persecution and destruction of economic life in Palestine, through reduced passage of goods, whether food, medical, or for business. All restrictions going against International Agreements put in place for the creation of the new state of Israel after the Second World War.

"Indeed, since the rest of the world is Gentile, defying world opinion reaps the benefit of added pride."

Indeed their were millions other than the Jewish people during the Second World War who gave up their lives, or were forever maimed and damaged as a consequence of fighting the Nazi's tyranny. They managed to win through and rescue those remaining in the concentration camps, however those who fought to reach that point lie scattered dead all over Europe, and those wounded still bear their scars. Israeli pride is such that it denies the role "Gentiles" played in their release from captivity, and denies that they behave as Nazis with their malnourished Palestinian children's neighbours, their cruel experiments with the pregnant Palestinian mothers at border crossings, their covetous greed for Palestinian land outside the UN designated borders, and their wanton destruction of the Palestinian communities' libraries, schools, hospitals and other vital infrastructure.

As survivors of the Holocaust, this new chapter in Jewish History is far more shameful than any under the Nazis, because at this point in time the guiding ideology of violence is an abiding apartheid system based on the Jewish heritage rather than an Aryan heritage.

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Pride.......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jun 11, 2009 8:40 AM   
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Pride at forcing someone else to "sacrifice" that's not pride, that is stubborn intransigence! Against all UN sanctions, international laws, and morality - Israel continues to foist it's will on a population that can not even control their own destiny! Ben Gurion, Israel's first Prime Minister (1948)has been reported as saying that Israel would drive the Palestinians out of "Israel" - this warped logic has ruled Israeli politics since. While the Jews cry they want "peace" their actions and retaliations against the Palestinians belie the rhetoric! First Israel needs to go back to the 1967 borders, stop the apartheid wall, and yes both groups should be allowed to "share" Jerusalem as their capital! British and US imperialism allowed for the creation of Israel - and that was the first mistake, because there were people already living on the land! But to continue to compound the problem by allowing Israeli aggression to go unchecked is leading us all down another disastrous road!

I say the US should divest from Israel, this would accomplish (1)bringing the Israelis to the negotiating table more willing to compromise, and (2)assure both sides that the US is willing to be an honest broker for PEACE!

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Israel is Defending Itself!
Posted by: joels@nccray on Jun 11, 2009 9:10 AM   
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The author of this article demonstrates a real lack of knowledge and understanding of the middle east and the players that are determined to destroy it, and maybe the world.

Israel is not, and never has been, the "aggressor"' but rather is simply defending itself.

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» RE: Israel is Defending Itself! Posted by: iggypopforyou
Israel culture is paranoid and megalomanic.
Posted by: archives@uwyo.edu on Jun 11, 2009 9:17 AM   
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It always has been (as far as I know), and this makes Israelis unbelievably arrogant and extremist, especially under real or imagined threat. If you believe that anyone who is not Jewish or Israeli is inferior, other people object to that, and you get real anti-Semitism.

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The Israelis and Palestinians are "Victicrats"
Posted by: Tikus on Jun 11, 2009 9:48 AM   
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Some time ago, while Israel was occupying Lebanon, I spent 9 months in Israel. Part of the reason was to find out firsthand what the heck was going on there. I first traveled through Syria and Jordan (because I couldn't go there with an Israeli stamp in my passport. Later I learned that the Israeli customs officials will stamp a separate piece of paper and staple it to the passport so you can remove it if you need to. They understand the travel problem you see). I got an eye-opening look at the situation by looking through the eyes of both sides.

From what I saw, the gist of this article is correct. There is a term--coined by some US politician years ago, his name escapes me--that fits the situation well. All of the people in this region are "Victicrats." It is a term that is a perfect fit for the cultures of the area.

The term comes from combining two words, the Latin victim (animal for sacrifice), and the Greek suffix -crat (from Kratos-participant in or supporter of a specified government or ruling body). Putting the two together comes up with the entirely appropriate term "Victicrat."

From what I personally observed, all sides, Israeli, Palestinian, Arab, Druze, all of them, constantly push each other the the limits of tolerance for what appears to be the goal of provoking some sort of reaction. Once the reaction is provoked, the provokers can play the persecuted victim to justify their original provocation.

It is a vicious, never-ending cycle of provocation and retaliation that continues in a circle that will, at best, be very difficult to break. Until that circle is broken there will never be peace in the region. It is an ingrained cultural reality for all of the peoples in the region.

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To remain a "Jewish" state, Israel must get out of West Bank
Posted by: Garvagh on Jun 11, 2009 10:59 AM   
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Interesting piece. Will Israel destroy itself because it is unable to give up the fantasy of a "Greater Israel" built on permanent suppression of the Palestinians? Will Israel bankrupt the US? How many hundreds of billions have been spent by the US "protecting" Israel (meaning, enabling the continuing oppression of the Palestinians)?

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Jewish pride?
Posted by: Aquinas on Jun 11, 2009 11:37 AM   
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Why do "they"always take great pains to differentiate between "jews" and "Israelis" and then claim it's all based on "jewish" pride?

As they say in 'Joisey', I got your jewish pride, right here!

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psychologist
Posted by: psychologist on Jun 11, 2009 3:14 PM   
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"We will not stop until ever dog jew is dead and the world cleansed of their presence. We will not stop till the great Satan(America) is destroyed with them." stated to me by terrorists caught on the battlefield with his explosives not working. Now listen intelligently for at least a half second, do any intelligent person think for a minute that these people can be reasoned with and would abide any agreement. Would you any of you want this man who hates Americans and Jews living in your backyard ready to blow himself up and your darling children, grandchildren? ? ? ? ?

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Is it a "false pride"?
Posted by: knarf on Jun 11, 2009 8:35 PM   
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I wonder if Israel's pride is a "false pride" when their very survival is so dependent on their chief benefactor and protector, the USA. Obama's biggest obstacle for seeking a common ground for peace may not lie in with the opposing camps in Israel and Palestine, but rather with the Israel Lobby in the USA, which will quietly seek to undermine his efforts at every turn.

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» RE: Is it a "false pride"? Posted by: Aquinas
Precarious Dominance Theory
Posted by: spencerh on Jun 12, 2009 5:06 PM   
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Pride may be part of it, but there's another possibility:

Precarious Dominance Theory can be used to explain why certain groups are supported (by others) and fiercely insist that they must retain dominance over another group in order to survive. This group (a minority) believes that their dominance (usually over a majority group) must be maintained or that the majority group will simply wipe them out if given the chance. The way that they retain this dominance is varied; it can be through a political system; military, logistical, economic, or technological might; or through the support (and often threat of force or sanctions) from an outside group or groups. Continued dominance over other groups tends to further exacerbate the dominated group's grievances against the minority, which reinforces the perceived need for maintaining that dominance. The "barbarians at the gates" must always be kept out, and support for the minority group's power has to be constantly reinforced, lest the majority will simply roll over the minority. As to whether the theory is actually true in a given situation depends on the particulars of that situation. In some cases, the threat is real and dominance must in fact be maintained until some other option becomes available to equalize the sides, or nullify the issue altogether. In others, the belief may be mistaken, and there would be little chance that the aggrieved group would in fact retaliate if dominance was removed. In any case, there are several real world examples (mostly in current and former apartheid states) to illustrate the concept.

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Good in-depth analysis
Posted by: Pissed Off Woman on Jun 14, 2009 7:08 AM   
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Thank you for the insightful article. The comments on it were about what I expected--complete outrage at the idea the the Israelis (or Palestinians, for some commenters) are actually fallible human beings rather than embodiments of pure evil.

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