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Why Americans Don't Want Single-Payer

By Bernie Horn, Campaign for America's Future. Posted June 8, 2009.


The real reason why single-payer isn't on the table is because Americans simply don't want it as evidence suggests.
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    The question most frequently asked by progressive activists at last week’s America’s Future Now conference was this: We hear Obama and congressional Democrats talking about a public health insurance option, but why aren’t they talking about a single-payer system like H.R. 676 sponsored by Rep. John Conyers? Why is single-payer “off the table”?

    Let’s begin with an obvious truth, stated here by Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman:

    The alternative [to the Democrats’ public-private health care plan] would be single-payer, aka Medicare for all: a payroll tax on everyone, and a government insurance program for everyone. Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient? Yes, it would.

    Single-payer is the cheapest and simplest approach. So why aren’t Obama and the Democrats pushing it?

    Some say it’s because the Democrats don’t want to offend the for-profit health care industry—that Democrats in Congress have taken too many campaign contributions from insurers. As Marcia Angell, former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, argues:

    Single-payer is simply considered not realistic for a politician. The medical industrial complex just won’t permit it.

    Well, it’s certainly true that health care executives, lobbyists, and their hundreds of thousands of employees don’t want to be put out of work. They would all fight their hardest against single-payer. But that’s really not the main reason why Democrats are avoiding such legislation.

    Some say it’s because we can’t convince moderate members of Congress to vote for single-payer legislation within the next few months. Darcy Burner, executive director of the Progressive Caucus Foundation, published an important diary on Daily Kos urging progressives to stop “attacking progressives [who are] fighting for a public option” because:

    There are not 218 votes for single payer in the House. Single-payer cannot happen in this environment right now, regardless of how passionately its advocates want it.

    Darcy, the Progressive Caucus, and everyone on Capitol Hill know this is so. But again, that’s really not the main reason why Democrats focused on a hybrid plan a few years ago.

    The main reason is—American voters are scared to death of single-payer.

    Even though I’m sitting in a quiet room writing this, I can hear some of you objecting loudly! Friends, we are on the same side. We all know that health care should be recognized as a human right. We all know it is a national shame that more than 50 million Americans are uninsured, and 25 million more are underinsured. We all know that even Americans with insurance are struggling with soaring health care costs, and that insurance and drug companies are putting profits before people. We all know that we need to change the system.

    But we progressives are not the ones who need to be convinced. In any great national political debate, there are partisans on our side and partisans against us. To achieve victory, we have to persuade people in the middle—and they don’t know what we know about health care.

    Consider three central facts:

    • Nearly all persuadable voters—those who don’t automatically side with or against us—have health insurance. (In fact, about 94 percent of voters are insured. The uninsured, unfortunately, don’t tend to vote.)
    • About 3/4ths of insured Americans are satisfied with their health insurance.
    • When Americans hear about a health care proposal, they immediately think “how is it going to affect me and my family.” That’s their overarching, overwhelming concern.

    That means when average American voters consider a new health care policy, their paramount concern is that the policy allows them to keep the health insurance they have. Union members—who usually can be counted on to support progressive policy—are among the most adamant that they be permitted to keep their health insurance. Why? Because unions tend to negotiate better insurance for their members than the rest of us have!


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Say what?
Posted by: sherry on Jun 8, 2009 12:32 PM   
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Someone must have made a mistake. The headline doesn't match the piece --- where are the facts, the numbers, the hard evidence to prove your point? And as for an ideal world, it's up to us to create an ideal world.

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» RE: Say what? Posted by: Quannah
Blues for the Uninsured
Posted by: When In Doubt on Jun 8, 2009 12:37 PM   
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It will never happen while the House and the Senate are as well paid for as any expensive Call Girl or Call Boy with a fine health insurance policy for life to go along with it. A very fine union system to be sure.

The Little People as we know from when Leona whatshername exclaimed before she left her money for her dog[s], that we don't count and should be treated as such.

To expect morality from a bought and paid for group of "ins" is to be foolish and irrational.

Obama is finding this out in spades.

So they are saying " live with it...or don't..."

Reality set in long before I was 89.

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Sounds Like Mainstream Media Again
Posted by: FoonTheElder on Jun 8, 2009 12:52 PM   
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Funny, the stats linked to the above article seem to consistently state that 2/3 of Americans want a significant change in health insurance.

All the media looks at is where they get their money from. Insurance and drug companies are some of the top advertisers. That is why you will never get a straight story from the media.

The only people I know who are satisfied with the current health care system are the people who pay very little to their employer for it and rarely have to use it. I don't buy that 80%+ are happy with their health insurance. Especially since their out of pocket costs have been shooting up like a rocket for over 15 years.

The only reason people are scared of single payer is due to the false propaganda that is spewed by corporate medicine.

The rationing excuse is pure bunk. Try to get any needed care if you are uninsured. You either pay in advance or suffer. The emergency room is only required to stabilize you and send you home. I don't see many people on Medicare unable to get care.

The funding whining is phony as well, as the U.S. already spends twice as much per person for crap coverage than every other developed country spends for full coverage. The amount that the government ALREADY pays is about enough for 100% coverage in every other developed country.

The real problem is that big corporations run the government and they are too gutless to provide reasonably priced universal coverage. Germany did it 120 years ago, why can't the U.S.?

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As long as every Republic gets their ugly mugs on teeeeveeee
Posted by: Quannah on Jun 8, 2009 1:13 PM   
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trying to SCARE people into thinking single-payer would be "socialist medicine," the idiots on Capitol Hill -- who live in their own little bubble -- will continue to push for the status quo. It's what they do with everything.

People DO support single-payer. It's Congress that has to be brought along... kicking and screaming.

This battle isn't over yet.

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Love Their Insurance Until
Posted by: JSquercia on Jun 8, 2009 1:19 PM   
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Yes most Americans love their Health Insurance Until they have to use it for a Serious Illness . Of course by then it is too late and they will do as Obama's Grandmother had to do . That is fight their illness all the while fighting their Insurance Company for the care they THOUGHT they were covered for .

Most of the Americans who had to file for Bankruptcy WERE covered by Insurance .

I had a very good plan when I worked which allowed me to use whatever Doctors I wanted and reimbused me 90% after a modest deductible. What happened when I retired early was the 90% was no longer available instead the best plan now covered 80% . Once I became eligible for Medicare the Plan covered only 70% but best of all it covered Nothing until a maximum out of Pocket was reached . Since Medicare paid 80% which was more than the 70% covered by the plan , they would NOT pick up the additional 20% until we reached a maximum out of pocket expense for the year .
I did not chose an HMO because we travel a lot
and I like my current provider . The Prescription Drug plan is good so I am not too upset but it certainly shows how easily they can change your coverage options and there is nothing you can do to STOP them . Hell Medicare Part D can even change their Formulary dropping your specific Medicine and you MUST still use the Company until the next Enrollment period

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All Congresspersons have 100% health care
Posted by: jpom22 on Jun 8, 2009 1:30 PM   
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I want what THEY have, period! And nothing less! They're our civil servants and they get more than we do?? What's wrong with this picture?

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liam99
Posted by: liam99 on Jun 8, 2009 1:48 PM   
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Dispite the enormous sums of money spent over the years to lie to Americans and leave us as confused as possible about single payer, the majority of Americans now strongly favor the single payer government run approach as do most businesses who are shelling out billions of dollars to people who do NOTHING but shuffle papers and deny coverage so that they can make enormous profits. They do NOTHING for American healthcare; Nothing, but take our money. And the only way these parasites remain in business is to bribe crooked government officials. If you're in congress and you're for anything ,but single payer YOU ARE A CROOK!

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They scream warnings that with Single-Payer...
Posted by: Quannah on Jun 8, 2009 2:36 PM   
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we will have to wait for health care! (Like we don't already...)

They warn that the Government will decide what doctors we see and what medical treatment we will receive! (Insurance companies and HMOs already do that...)

They warn about "rationed care." (Those with or without insurance now are "rationed" -- meaning unless your leg is cut off or you're having a heart attack, forget ANY TREATMENT or care. Oh, and be sure and get prior approval before getting care or it will be denied...)

To those of us who live without insurance, what do we have to lose? Anything is better than nothing. And yet we seem to be lost in this debate. Go figure. We can't afford big lobbyists and hefty campaign contributions.

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Load of Crap
Posted by: stellabloo on Jun 8, 2009 3:38 PM   
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"If voters think we’re giving them the Canadian or British health system, we lose..."? Really, the canadian medicare system is a bad system that everyone hates? Guess that's the reason that Lester Pearson, the man responsible for canadian medicare, is considered by canadians to be the Greatest Canadian Ever?

Oddly enough, the bogeyman of "employer-based" healthcare seems to keep popping up ... here in Canada most of medicare benefits (and often extended health benefits - optometrist, chiropractor, etc - and dental) are paid for by the EMPLOYER. The employer just pays less because it's a standard rate. Specialists are paid for by medicare with a referral. Extended benefits are paid through private insurance companies at a standard low rate, no exam or exemptions. Our benefits are worth about $200 a month to cover our family completely including pharmacare and life and disability insurance. You guys are getting HOSED.

Someone is working very hard to spread this particular load of manure. We do know one amerikan who is satisfied with his low insurance rates - his deductible is $5000.

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» RE: Load of Crap Posted by: sallyport
» RE: 'father of medicare' Posted by: stellabloo
» RE: Load of Crap Posted by: undrgrndgirl
sallyport
Posted by: sallyport on Jun 8, 2009 3:55 PM   
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This is an absurd piece. It is saying, in effect, that since the Other Guys are going to spend big bucks on frightening advertising, we might just as well resign ourselves to letting them have their way.
Since we haven't got the big bucks, we must use an unrelenting shout for what we know is best: universal, single-payer health care. Tell everyone you know and tell your Congress people.

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» RE: sallyport Posted by: JSquercia
How can it be said Medicare is single payer?
Posted by: memci on Jun 8, 2009 7:26 PM   
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I have been using basic Medicare for about 15 years; annually I pay out of pocket about $3600 for supplemental. Medicare is essentially useless without the supplemental. This IS NOT a single payer system!

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The only way
Posted by: walldodger1969 on Jun 8, 2009 7:53 PM   
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To make a difference is when the the subject comes up,and it will ,is to when they start mouthing "social medicine " crap.. to say in your loudest voice...BULLSHIT!!! Then have strong and truthful talking points ready.

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I'm VERY Angry!
Posted by: Geno1190 on Jun 9, 2009 2:23 AM   
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This is some kind of joke right? The good people of Alternet couldn't possibly have bought into this propaganda... Here are the REAL reasons why there aren't more votes for single-payer:

1.) Democrats have taken political contributions from the insurance industry and are refusing to take any sort of action because of these ties.

2.) More people don't know (by which I mean they either haven't heard of it, don't know a thing about it, or both) about single-payer due to the corporate media blackout.

3.) Groups like CAP, MoveOn, and other groups w/ ties to the Dems aren't willing to push the issue harder.

The idea that most people are "scared" of single-payer is ridiculous and outright false. No one here should believe these words, nor should we just give up on getting single-payer either, nor should we just "wait" as Krugman said. There are a lot of myths that we need to dispel here and now... or the sacrifices of those who are still fighting for single-payer will be for nothing.

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» RE: I'm VERY Angry! Posted by: deenie
Most Americans do NOT like their insurance...
Posted by: Stew on Jun 9, 2009 5:27 AM   
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..and here's why. Over that past decade most small to medium sized businesses (fastest growing economic sector) have had to eliminate or reduce the company contributions to their insurance plans. Now most Americans are in the same boat as the self-employed. My personal case is as follows; I pay $500 a month for a family plan for a stripped down "emergency/critical care" policy that in order to afford has a $5,000 deductible per family member! Since we're a healthy house hold it means I'm out $6,000 a year and still have to pay for any health issues as well as all my preventative care expenses, What a f**king racket!

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Every American I know thinks single payer is the answer and for profit
Posted by: thekidde on Jun 9, 2009 6:30 AM   
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medical care is bullshit. Writer's eyes are brown.

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Single Payer Universal Health Care
Posted by: frank69 on Jun 9, 2009 8:10 AM   
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"Only" 59% of the US population wants Single PAyer Universal Health Care!

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how did medicare poll
Posted by: jareilly on Jun 9, 2009 11:52 AM   
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when it was first introduced? Or did they even do any polling? Or did they just decide medicare was needed on its merits rather than on its polling numbers?

This is all BS. First Bush, then Obama wrote 800 billion dollar bailout checks to the big banks and financial services firms starting last September. These bailouts polled consistently at 70% negative, but Mr. Hope and Change wrote the checks and a lot of nominally "progressive" Democrats voted for them, polling numbers be damned. So if Darcy Burner wants to hide behind polling numbers, I suppose she can. And so can this author, but they ought to know that we can see their asses sticking out the side because this is a flimsy excuse, not a rationale.

If Medicare for the elderly is popular (and it is very popular), because it has been shown to work, by and large, then Medicare for all can become popular, once it has been shown to work. It just takes cojones and vision; it takes putting your constituents above your long-term political career; it takes giving a damn about something besides your own sorry, hopelessly compromised ass.

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We have to face facts, If the democrats are going to be bought and
Posted by: Landbaron on Jun 9, 2009 12:52 PM   
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stay bought (an honest politician)= 'republican lite', we need a new party (president) in 2012, at this point they deserve a chance.

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Why is there so little public support?
Posted by: robgo2b on Jun 10, 2009 9:54 PM   
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The real reason that relatively few Americans are in favor of single payer universal health insurance is that so few public figures of note have been willing to make the case for it and almost none of the major media have covered the subject in an honest way. In other words, the single payer option is off the table, because those who set the table have kept it off.

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» Right On! Posted by: RR#1
Those hundreds of thousands of health care workers probably don't have good coverage either
Posted by: RR#1 on Jun 11, 2009 8:33 PM   
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In Canada we have a two tier system, GM unionized workers get the gold card service. Private rooms, dental, eye, chiopractic, that is anything that is considered "unessential" " I guess only movies stars need a Hollywood smile eh" The unisured or disabled get bare bones service usually have to wait longer to get in to see a specialist and who then says you can live with the situation if you don't have coverage. So on disability and have no front teeth? That's ok you don't need them anyway. Can't walk because of siatic nerve problems? Talk these no name percs, no designer opiates for you, and if you do get them the survelliance is outrageous, if you can pay for them privately you can get your script re-filled every two weeks, regardless of the fact that it is 14 days early. So, the answer is medicade for everyone and for those who can negotiate ( unions don't seem to be able to negotiate toilet tissue in the washroom these days) you can get more- Keep it Simple, margainalized persons are generally wary of the "system" and research shows that minorities who have been experimented upon in places like Kesskeegee are even more reluctant and fearful of "mandatory" health care for reasons that are far and away different that those offered by the author of this article.

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makaainana
Posted by: Makaainana on Jun 13, 2009 12:11 PM   
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Single payer IS wanted by 110 plus middle class taxpaying Americans.

The question is simple:

Will Congress vote for Big Money and Big Insurance or will Congress vote for the 110 plus million Americans that want free health care?

ALL the rest is slick politicians spouting good sounding reasons that really save their cash cows.

This is a great test for Congress.

Big Money or 110 million needy Americans?

I think we should propose an amendment to what ever Congress proposes as the Health care bill. It will read the Congress will get the same plan that they pass for the rest of America.

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