Home
Archive
Newsletters
Video
Blogs
Discuss
About
Search
Donate
Advertise

Five New Reasons (and One Old One) Why We Must Close Guantanamo Now

By Liliana Segura, AlterNet. Posted June 6, 2009.


A surprising poll shows that by wide margins, Americans don't want to see Gitmo shut down -- here's why it should be closed forever.

Share and save this post:

      

      

Share on Facebook       

AlterNet Social Networks:
follow us on twitter
find us on Facebook

In Special Coverage

Belief:
Nobel Laureate Slams the Bible, Calls It "A Catalogue of Cruelties"
Mario de Queiroz

Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace:
As Foreclosure Nightmares Increase, Will More Homeowners Pay Off Their Bankers in Violence?
Scott Thill

DrugReporter:
Lies About Marijuana Drive People to a Much More Harmful Drug -- Booze
Steve Fox

Environment:
Why the End May Be Coming for Coal
Christine MacDonald

Food:
Despite Censorship By Beef Magnate, Michael Pollan Spreads Message About the Real Price of Cheap Food

Health and Wellness:
Do We Really Want to Enshrine Insurance Monopoly into Law? This and 5 Other Complaints About the Health Bill
John Nichols

Immigration:
NYC Marathon Raises Question of Who Is American Enough?
James E. Johnson, Jr.

Media and Technology:
Study Claims Even the Most Sophisticated Readers Can Be Manipulated
Melinda Burns

Movie Mix:
The Yes Men: Pranksters Out to Fix the World
Mark Engler

Politics:
What Michelle and Barack's Marriage Has in Common with 56 Million Other Ones
Annabelle Gurwitch

Reproductive Justice and Gender:
Fetus-Shaped Potatoes? Going Undercover Inside the Weird World of Right-Wing Abortion Foes
Ann Neumann

Rights and Liberties:
"My Kids Want to Hide Their Identity; They're Scared Someone Will Attack Us": U.S. Muslims Being Targeted
Jaisal Noor

Sex and Relationships:
Instant Sex: Has the Digital Age Destroyed Relationships or Made Them Better?
Vanessa Richmond

Take Action:
G-20 Meetings: Nothing Much Happened in the Suites, and There Was Too Much Punch in the Streets
Laura Flanders

Water:
Why Natural Gas Is Not a Clean Energy Panacea
Stan Cox

World:
With Unemployment at 40 Percent, Afghan Teens Enlist in Army, Police
Lal Aqa Sherin

More stories by Liliana Segura

Advertisement
Upcoming AlterNet stories on Digg

Splashed on the front page of USA Today this week were the surprising results of a poll finding that a wide majority of Americans now oppose the closing of the prison camp at Guantánamo Bay. "By more than 2-1, those surveyed say Guantánamo shouldn't be closed. By more than 3-1, they oppose moving some of the accused terrorists housed there to prisons in their own states," USA Today reported.

USA Today's poll results present a major political challenge to President Barack Obama, who has repeatedly vowed to close the detention camp by early next year, and who already faces a battle over Gitmo with Congress.

How could it be that after such an endlessly devastating era of high-profile lawlessness, torture, rigged trials, and prisoner deaths -- and years after Bush officials themselves acknowledged the need to shutter the prison camp -- a majority of Americans want to keep it open?

It is a testament to the ageless power of political fearmongering. In the months since Obama vowed to close Guantánamo in an executive order that was met with relief and praise by human rights advocates worldwide, the debate over how and when to do so has been hijacked and utterly skewed.

Despite all we have learned about the prisoners held there -- the fact, for starters, that only a fraction of them are actually self-avowed terrorists who have plotted anti-American acts -- much of the political establishment has stuck with the argument that Guantánamo might just be the only place for these "terrorists," promising that under no circumstances will they allow them to be brought onto U.S. soil.

Apparently the fearmongering is working. "Coming up on eight years after Sept. 11, fear remains, and fear is politically potent," political scientist Paul Freedman of the University of Virginia, who studies public opinion, told USA Today. "When it comes to the issue of terrorism ... people are inclined to err on the side of that fear."

"I feel like all the ground we gained over the past five years has been lost in the last five weeks," says activist Matthew Daloisio, a member of Witness Against Torture, which has advocated relentlessly for the closure of the prison camp.

This cannot stand. There's too much at stake when it comes to human rights, American democracy and the perception of the United States abroad. It's time to cut through the noise of political rhetoric and cable news and set the record straight. Below are five new reasons -- and at least one old one -- why closing Guantánamo Bay cannot wait.

Reason #1: The Torture Continues

So Obama was inaugurated, and that means no more torture, right?

Not quite.

In an interview with former CBS news anchor Dan Rather revealed this week, former Guantánamo prisoner Lakhdar Boumediene -- the plaintiff in the landmark Supreme Court ruling grating habeas corpus rights to prisoners at Gitmo -- claimed that torture is still going on under Obama. “Nothing change in Guantánamo,” he said. “They torture me in the Obama time more than Bush.”

Boudemiene described being force-fed at Guantánamo using methods that were deliberately made "as painful and uncomfortable as possible." The claim echoes the treatment of prisoners described in an in-depth article published by AlterNet last month by investigative journalist Jeremy Scahill, who documented the existence of brutal thug squads known as "Immediate Reaction Force" (IRF) teams that have routinely terrorized prisoners since day one.

The tactics used by these forces -- nicknamed the "Extreme Repression Force" by some -- include gang-beating prisoners, breaking their bones, gouging their eyes and dousing them with chemicals at the slightest sign of resistance or simple failure to follow protocol. It also includes force feeding prisoners who refuse to eat.

According to attorney Julia Tarver, one of her clients, Yousef al-Shehri, had a tube inserted with "one [IRF member] holding his chin while the other held him back by his hair, and a medical staff member forcibly inserted the tube in his nose and down his throat" and into his stomach. "No anesthesia or sedative was provided to alleviate the obvious trauma of the procedure." Tarver said this method caused al-Shehri and others to vomit "substantial amounts of blood."
This was painful enough, but al-Shehri, described the removal of the tubes as "unbearable," causing him to pass out from the pain.

The IRF teams are "the Black Shirts of Guantánamo," Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, told Scahill -- and they are illegal to boot.


Digg!    Share on facebook   submit to reddit    Bookmark on Delicious   Stumble This  

See more stories tagged with: torture, guantanamo, barack obama, jeremy scahill, andy worthington, michael ratner, ahmed ghappour, lakhdar boumediene, force-feeding, muhammad ahmad abdallah s

Liliana Segura is an AlterNet staff writer.

Liked this story? Get top stories in your inbox each week from AlterNet! Sign up now »


Advertisement
Advertisement

 

Comments Turn comments off sitewide Give us feedback »
Comments closed.
The comments for this story have been closed. Thank you to everyone who participated.
View:
Utter caca
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jun 6, 2009 2:49 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I would be flat-out skeptical of this poll. We have seen this all before.

During the Bush II years, whenever some new administration atrocity was uncovered, a poll would almost immediately appear in some corporate venue, showing conclusively that Americans were overwhelmingly in favor of it.

The pattern is clear. The USA poll is almost certainly complete and utter caca.


Swine!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Utter caca Posted by: luzmejor
» RE: Utter caca Posted by: willymack
» I really hope this is not true Posted by: truthlover
Not that this is an original idea...
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Jun 6, 2009 2:58 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
But my first thought about the poll is it is bunk. Complete bull shit. Haven't people learned yet that media lies?

Let me repeat that, newspapers lie.

They make up facts and they ignore what is really going on, they quote the polls that please them and ignore all things that disagree with their narrow world view.

I don't trust the poll, I don't trust the paper and 'liberal' media should not either.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» You are lying or crazy. Posted by: brunowe
Black Sites
Posted by: Sparks56 on Jun 6, 2009 3:09 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I am far less concerned about Gitmo, we know about it, than I am about the many "black sites" we don't know about. Where are they? How many are there? Who is being held there? Free and open societies do not have secret prisons. Ergo........

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Black Sites Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Black Sites Posted by: Sparks56
» RE: Black Sites Posted by: rsteeb
» RE: Black Sites Posted by: Sparks56
» RE: Black Sites Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Black Sites Posted by: Sparks56
Liliana, the BIG reason they don't want it closed: They still believe the official story of 911
Posted by: pfgetty on Jun 6, 2009 3:19 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Americans are still scared. They still remember that horrible day, the day that began the War on Terror.
And they have been told, by the press, over and over again that bad people from the Middle East brought us that day.

What they don't know, because you Liliana and the rest of the press including Alternet won't tell them, is that the story of 911 is a lie. 911 was an INSIDE JOB.

The government has been lying. The press has been lying. Our political leaders have been lying. You are lying.
Ok, maybe you are just ignorant of the facts.

Here is a fact: nanothermite, an explosive material, has been found the in the dust samples taken from the collapse of the WTC. Nanothermite is a very unique material and is not commercially available. Each formulation of nanothermite has a signature, a fingerprint, that is one of a kind and can be traced back to the makers. Only scientists in research labs connected to the military have made this stuff. And it was found in huge quantities, if the quantities in the dust were extrapolated to the entire amount of dust.

In short, there is no way for that nanothermite to be in the dust samples unless somebody placed it in the WTC buildings before the attacks. Period. And that means government complicity. And coverup. And that means that we were not under attack by Islamic extremists.

Why aren't you telling us about this, instead of me?

If you want to know more about this, go to www.ae911truth.org or www.911truth.org. If you think I'm out of whack, then see the thousands of distinguished scientists and retired military and CIA people and others who know this story as I do.... at www.patriotsquestion911.org.

But somebody must bring this information to the public. If you don't like continuing torture, you don't like rendition or illegal wars and occupations, if you don't like the Patriot Act, and you want Gitmo closed, then do the one and only thing that will stop all of this: tell the story about the dust samples, or of hundreds of other bits of evidence that prove the 911 story is a lie.

As you have told us, the 911 story of lies continues to affect America and the world in devastating ways. It will not stop until we know the truth.
And with this new evidence, the truth is irrefutable.
The only thing remaining: the story MUST get out!
And Liliana, if you don't do it, and Alternet won't do it, who WILL?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: You really lost me here Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Thanks, LeftWright Posted by: pfgetty
» Waterboard Silverstein Posted by: weathered
Don Quixot
Posted by: Don Quixot on Jun 6, 2009 5:41 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Neither nazis nor communists ever had something like Gitmo

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Don Quixot Posted by: lanerdion
The commander in chief can still do a lot.
Posted by: gorkman on Jun 6, 2009 5:47 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I cannot understand why the President doesn't move forward on this.
He can do other things as Commander in Chief even if congress is backstabbing him.

1. He can ensure that mistreatment of prisoners stop. And he can issue orders to increase their quality of life.

2. He can release the evidence (or lack thereof) we have against the detainees so people of the world can judge for themselves if they are justifiably imprisioned.

3. He can obey the court order and release the Abu Ghraib photos. I, for one, do not believe his rhetoric about inflaming anti-American sentiment. That was already done the moment the tortured victims were released.

He can give one of his eloquent speeches as he releases the photos, where he clearly puts the responsibility of American trangressions of Human Rights of the shoulders of the previous administration. I think that would alleviate anti-American sentiment. And most important...

4. He can back up those words by ordering the justice department to conduct open investigations into the crimes committed by BushCo, and conducting appropriate procections pending their outcome.


Obama talks about moving forward, and not looking behind.
But there is an elephant in the room standing behind him. A big, lying, torturing, blood soaked republican, elephant standing right behind him casting a huge shadow on the path forward he wants to take. He must deal with it, or he won't be able to move forward.

By not doing so forcefully and forthrightly, I believe he is tainting himself with the crimes of the previous administration.

There will soon come a time when President Obama will be unable to divorce Amercia from the crimes of George W. Bush. The Political Right in this country wil soon be able to do a 'Full Pelosi' on him compromise him with their crimes in order to cover their political asses.
And that will very much inflame sentiments against us, and endanger America and the troops that are defending us abroad.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

If This Poll is True - And I Suspect It Is - It Shows One Thing Very Clearly
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jun 6, 2009 6:03 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The majority of Americans, are Gutless, Brainwashed, Immoral Cowards Very Effectively Controlled By Fear By Their Government and Media.

If only they knew the Truth.

It will come back to haunt them.

The Evil Comes From Within and Like a Cancer it will consume from within.

Americans call themselves Christian but not only Condone Torture - they actually Want it To Continue.

They Couldn't Give a Fuck - about Anyone else except their own Precious Pussies.

Beneath Contempt

The USA itself has become a Prison Camp of Fear

Tony

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: I think the poll is bull shit Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: I think the poll is bull shit Posted by: tony_opmoc
» RE: I think the poll is bull shit Posted by: Sister_Lauren
I wouldn't be surprised if its true.
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 6, 2009 6:15 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
there is an appalling number of 'mainstream' thinkers out there...

who basically, if you asked them, would tell you to your face:

"fuck everybody else, its all about me"

tell any of those people to be
...responsible for their actions ("Freedom is nobody trying to catch you!")
...caring about others
...interested in some personal inconvenience or social slight risk to 'do the right thing'
& you'll be called everything from 'bleeding heart' to 'stupid & foolishly unpragmatic'...

seriously.
the narcissism, xenophobia & sheer self-interest of people never fail to astonish me

& a *lot* of it comes *straight* out of mainstream MEDIA CULTURE...

not just the polls, but the drumbeat of 'fuck you, gimme mine' that saturates magazines, tv, films, books...

if its selfish and full of assholery...
you can be sure its got an appreciative paying audience.


perspective, people.


Perspective.

The Jeff Farias Show: streams FREE & LIVE Mon-Fri, 6-9pmEDT

FREE podcast
"We, two, form a Multitude" ~ Ovid.
"Violence can only be concealed by a Lie, & the Lie can only be maintained by Violence." ... "Any man, who has once proclaimed Violence as his Method, is inevitably forced to take the Lie as his Principle" – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Sick
Posted by: QQOblivion on Jun 6, 2009 6:29 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I believe the poll. Americans are idiots, and most of them are evil.
52% of Americans, or 71%, depending on the polls, actually believe that TORTURE IS ACCEPTABLE.

You Americans are sick.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Should I poll my neighbors Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Sick - Undecided Posted by: VZEQICVA
If YOU Personally Do Not Stand Up and Shout And Complain About The Torture You Have Lost All Rights
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jun 6, 2009 6:46 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
You Yourself can be arrested on any pretence - without committing any crime

And You Yourself can be imprisoned without Charge - and Tortured For The Rest Of Your Life

Sure it takes courage to complain

But the Alternative is Far Worse

Tony

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

This author is mentally retarded to cite a stupid poll. Polls mean nothing.
Posted by: superfeduphoosier on Jun 6, 2009 7:16 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
In the end, it's big government that will call the shots with their corporate buddies as their henchmen. Obama would be better off facing IMPEACHMENT for LYING to the American people and reneging on his promise to close GITMO. Bob Barr has better brains than the idiots in Washington and would have called for an immediate shutdown of GITMO, no questions asked ! To all you Obama voters, you're the LOSERS ! OOOOOOOOOOOOOO ! LOL ! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ! LOL !

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Irrelevant
Posted by: docg on Jun 6, 2009 7:27 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Not one single reason you've given is relevant to the issue at hand. This is the sort of thing that gives us liberals a bad name. Gitmo is a prison, a facility, nothing more. It also happens to be a very convenient facility for holding people who could be extremely dangerous. The American public understands that but you don't. Why feed into the "knee-jerk-liberal" thinking of people like Gingrich and Limbaugh?

Every single issue you raised can be dealt with through changes of policy. I heartily agree that all such policies ought to be changed, that's a no-brainer. But to attach the policies to a particular facility, more for ideological reasons than anything else, is exactly the sort of thing that has given liberals a bad name for far too long.

"Our failure to get beyond the political correctness thing, our failure to think more critically, deeply, logically and dispassionately about the world we now live in -- that's the problem. I like my fellow Democrats, I'm proud to be one of them. I admire my president. However: can we drop all the kid stuff and finally: GROW UP??????????"
from Mole in the Ground, http://amoleintheground.blogspot.com

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» This is absurd Posted by: truthlover
JT Barrie
Posted by: rimchamp77 on Jun 6, 2009 7:53 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
IF you phrase a poll just right you can get "legitimate" results to support your worldview. You can ask people whether they want murderers locked up with mandatory minimums and they will say yes by more than 4-1. Ask them for a tax increase to pay for locking up mostly drug offenders and they will reject the measure by 3-2.

If you falsely associate Guantanamo prisoners with the half dozen or so serious mass murderers who are basically a version of pond scum and no one will want them housed next door [except the ones who recognize false associations - like readers of my book].

Actually if you phrased a poll honestly and informed them that nearly all prisoners detained had no hearings to determine innocence and asked if they should be released the poll numbers might be embarrassingly high in favor. Of course that's why such polls never get funded. It's like polling people on whether there should be actually measurable standards for the FDA and DEA for keeping drugs on the market or impose restrictions. Such a measure - if enacted - would end the drug war, get a lot of worthless drugs off the shelves, and open up the drug market to lower priced drugs.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

NOT TO SOUND NAIVE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 6, 2009 10:19 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The promise to close Guantanamo got Obama alot of votes. That's reason enough to get moving and close the place. It's an albatross on our reputaton which is not at an all time high anyway. This past week in the Middle East was a huge success for Obama. Why not stay on the roll. This awful place defines us. Americans deserve better and most of the prisoners never did belong in prison. If they do, we have plenty of jails. Thanks, ANNA

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

A disgrace and a source of everlasting shame
Posted by: willymack on Jun 6, 2009 10:46 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Let's not forget that the prisoners at Guantanamo are there ILLEGALLY, without charges, and without anything resembling due process. This is a crime against humanity by anyone's definition.
Let's not forget those unfortunates have been there for seven years.
Let's not forget that the stated reasons for their imprisonment are BOGUS, just as the brutal occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan are.
We'll probably never recover whatever good will we once had worldwide, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do what's morally and legally right.
Close the base at Guantanamo. Give it back to Cuba, no strings attached. GITMO has a negligible stragegic or defense value, which can easily be taken up by Puerto Rico.
Relesase the prisoners with our apologies. Take them to wherever they want to go. Whatever bullshit rationale for their imprisonment there was has been completely shattered by our blatent disregard for international law. Giving them some money would be a nice gesture, and a drop in the bucket compared to what's been pissed away in the name of "security".
Begin a rapid withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan. No need for elaborate explanations or hand-wringing. Anyone with half a brain here knows we're in those two unfortunate nations ILLEGALLY, anyway.
Start spending the ten billion a month we've been burning on illegal "wars" on health care, education, and badly neglected social programs, here at home.
If our "leaders" are too gutless to prosecute the bush crime cartel, they can at least expose them for the evil bastards they are.
Maybe then we can begin to hold our heads up and have some hope for a peaceful future.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Don't Shut Gitmo Down!
Posted by: Ted Voth Jr on Jun 6, 2009 1:36 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's perfect for the Cheney administration and the Wall St bankers!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Land of the free and the brave?
Posted by: Hans B on Jun 6, 2009 4:42 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If this continues much longer, make that "the fearful and the slave". The country with the biggest military in history suspending all it believes in out of fear of a handful of boxcutter-wielding cavedwellers.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Obama is bogus
Posted by: archives@uwyo.edu on Jun 6, 2009 5:20 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Obama was paid by Wall Street to betray the country.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Obama is bogus Posted by: weathered
» RE: Obama is bogus Posted by: VZEQICVA
its much worse than just fearmongering...
Posted by: Annapurna1 on Jun 7, 2009 1:54 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
i strongly suspect that many americans support bu$hco fascism not out of fear of terrorism.. but for strictly selfish economic reasons...the police state "anti-terrorism" policy puts the fear of god (and "god" doesnt mean terrorists either) into ppl.. making them into a docile..compliant..and most of all cheap..workforce...the respondents of that poll are simply worried about things like their 401ks' that would benefit from cheap labour...cheney claims that fascism is necessary to protect americans against terrorists.. while the respondents think that fascism is necessary to protect their investments against lazy goldbricks and welfare queens...

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

There was a time when 80% of Americans polled thought it was a good idea
Posted by: kettleblack on Jun 7, 2009 6:39 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
... to go to War in Iraq.

Poll numbers change when truth is recognized.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Tiffany & co
Posted by: TiffanyJewellery on Jun 7, 2009 7:36 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It is universally acknowledged that Tiffany Jewellery are indispensable to us.On no account can we ignore the value of Tiffany and Silver Jewellery.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Tiffany & co
Posted by: TiffanyJewellery on Jun 7, 2009 7:36 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It is universally acknowledged that Tiffany Jewellery are indispensable to us.On no account can we ignore the value of Tiffany and Silver Jewellery.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Tiffany & co
Posted by: TiffanyJewellery on Jun 7, 2009 7:36 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It is universally acknowledged that Tiffany Jewellery are indispensable to us.On no account can we ignore the value of Tiffany and Silver Jewellery.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Before we close it....
Posted by: AdamDunny on Jun 7, 2009 6:13 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Before we close it, I think Bush, Cheney and the rest of the Regime (including that whack job McCain) should be locked in cells there with no food and limited water THEN abandon the camp! Wouldnt that be a fitting end! LOL

Russ
Is your ISP watching?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Exactly who did they poll for this?
Posted by: Pirate1 on Jun 7, 2009 6:44 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
People who listen to right wing talk radio all day? Most of the people being held were just grabbed and sent there by US soldiers with maybe a high school education who couldn't speak Arabic and just assumed these guys looked suspicious... or who didn't understand when yelled at in English to stop or whatever, so to "show them who was boss" they get sent off as war prisoners. Most were farmers, 'til their farms were destroyed, or shop keepers, restauratuers and such until their places of work were erased from the planet by bored troops seeing if they could knock the place down with just 50 calibre fire... Then they get to Gitmo and the people there don't know the circumstances of detention and apply SOP tactics to extract information. The vast majority of these folks have done nothing more than have the misfortune to be interogated in English by some green, gung ho Marine or Infantryman who then got pissed off because the man or woman couldn't respond in English. Listen to some of the winter soldier stories if you think this is far fetched. People get sent to prison, raped, even killed for nothing more than not being bilingual and pissing off a miserable grunt, sweltering in 120 degree afternoon heat... it's an ugly thing we are doing in the world in the name of gawd and "freedom".

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

With Obama or without Obama, Gitmo must be closed.
Posted by: Christopher Hobe Morrison on Jun 10, 2009 4:35 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
President Obama must be given a certain amount of leeway, but Guantanamo must be closed one way or another. If the poll is wrong that is wonderful but it doesn't matter. Even if the poll is right the place must be closed because it a standing insult to America's prestige and moral standing. All the people there must be taken before legitimate courts of justice and tried in an open court, with the charges fully listed, the witnesses known, and the defendants have to have the right to cross-examine them and to see and question all evidence against them.

If convicted, and note I say if and not when, they have to be put in a legitimate prison and if America can't accept prisoners it should not have taken them into custody in the first place. The idea that America's supermax prisoners aren't secure enough is stupid. The US doesn't want to keep these prisoners, but it wants other countries to keep them for it after it has been treating the governments and peoples of these countries as if they were serfs.

In any case, the so-called War on Terror was not declared by Congress against an enemy as a state of war is defined in the American Constitution. It is an eternal war against an unamed enemy, declared unilaterally by one administration and waged through a climate of fear created by that administration. It reminds me of the way the nazis used the fire at the Reichstag to destroy what was left of German democracy. I am not accusing Bush of being a nazi, of course, and in any case after eight years of fear and snake oil the American people caught onto him. This may be simply a hangover from the big drunk of the Bush years.

I hope Obama will live up to the obligations he has set for himself, but the reasons that people voted for Obama are more important than is Obama. Yet I hope people will give Obama the benefit of the doubt as long as possible, because he always seems to know what he is doing even when it isn't apparent to all of us. We will have to see, but we can't wait for other people to do what is right just because we have a decent president now. We must do it ourselves and hope Obama supports us.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Polls can be managed
Posted by: Democritus on Jun 10, 2009 4:35 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
One wonders how the polling was conducted. Were respondents asked, "Do you want known terrorists to be housed on the U.S. mainland?" Or was it, "Do you want justice served to those who have never had a fair trial?" I can understand a "No" vote on anything resembling the first question, but I doubt that most Americans would vote "No" on anything like the second question.

I'm inclined to think that the terror-mongers have got to the pollsters and "framed" the question so as to get the vote they wanted. Despite the fact that we have a new administration, there are still a lot of neocon cockroaches in the bureaucratic woodwork.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

  • AlterNetYour turn

Support AlterNet
Do you value the information you're getting from AlterNet? Please show your support with a tax-deductible donation.


Feedback
Tell us how we're doing.

Advertisement
Advertisement