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Taibbi: No More Compromise -- Obama Must Wholly Reject Bush's Dictator Policies

By Matt Taibbi, True/Slant. Posted June 1, 2009.


The recent haggling over Guantanamo is such classic Democratic Party politics, it's almost laughable. Almost, except that it's, you know, revolting.

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The recent haggling over Guantanamo Bay is such classic Democratic Party politics, it almost makes you want to laugh. Almost, except that it’s, you know, revolting. Eight years of Clintonian squirming was bad enough, but now we have Barack Obama, smoking Habeas Corpus and not inhaling it.

Why is the Gitmo decision classic Democratic Party thinking? Because when certain of us said we wanted Gitmo closed, we sort of meant a change in policy -- we didn’t mean just physically closing the plant, moving the prisoners elsewhere, and leaving the policies essentially unchanged. This is what this generation of Democrats does every time: every time they come to a fork in the road, they try to take it.

There’s always some sort of semantic twist involved with their policies, an asterisk, some kind of leprechaun trick to get around doing the simple right thing. They’re all for gay rights, and then once the lights come on, they’ve basically codified the closet by ushering in Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.

They campaign against the war in Iraq, promise to get us out, and say they were against it all along -- and then once they get in power, they start using words like eventually and in 4-6 years and once the situation stabilizes. Later it turns out that what they meant by being against the war all along was their conviction that we should have invaded on a Thursday instead of a Tuesday, or some such bullshit.

Now there’s this Gitmo business. This, folks, just isn’t that tough a call. The prison (and the much less publicized archipelago of hard sites in foreign countries where more terror suspects are held) was a symbol of everything wrong and stupid about the Bush administration. Snatching people up by force and dumping them in rocks on the middle of the ocean without due process is the kind of thing that was last done by "civilized" cultures back in the days of the Roman Empire; since then it’s been the exclusive province of sociopathic third-world dictators like Stalin and Mobutu Sese Seko.

It was absolutely imperative, from a public relations standpoint if nothing else, that Obama immediately repudiate these practices, design some kind of due process to deal with the already incarcerated prisoners, and show the world that what happened during the Bush years was an insane aberration, a result of our having accidentally elected an emotionally retarded sadist to the White House.

Instead, Obama is on his way to doing exactly the wrong thing. He’s going to make a show of closing the base, but retain the underlying idea by keeping some of the prisoners in indefinite legal purgatory. In some ways this is worse than what Bush did, because Bush at least took a clear stand -- he was nuts and thought this was the right thing to do. No matter how you look at Obama’s decision, it’s weighed somewhere along the line by political calculation. Either he thinks indefinite decision is right and he’s bowing to public appeals by closing the base, or else he thinks it’s wrong and is bowing to opposition outcry by maintaining the old policy.

It’s one thing to change your mind or play both sides of the fence on matters that don’t involve human lives, on theoretical/hypothetical campaign issues, but another thing to do it with actual incarcerated human beings as the key variable in the political equation.

I still like Obama, in a lot of ways. Having a president with less ability to inspire public confidence at a time like this, with our economy in such a death spiral, would be a disaster; God knows where we’d be right now with a McCain or a Mike Huckabee at the helm. But this guy has to show some stones somewhere along the line. He has to just forget the DC game and just take a clear stand on an issue like this sometime. He’s kind of running out of time to rescue his all-important first impression.


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Obama has NO stones!
Posted by: Jay Randal on Jun 1, 2009 1:01 AM   
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If Pres. Obama had at least a spine to stand up for anything decent, then he would shut down GITMO concentration camp. Unfortunately he has NO spine NOR stones. He sold out to Wall Street and to the Military Industrial Complex.

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» Be careful what you wish for! Posted by: 2thepoint
Wake up folks
Posted by: LillianB on Jun 1, 2009 1:22 AM   
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Obama answers to the same masters as Bush.

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Then we have to go after his masters!
Posted by: celeborn on Jun 1, 2009 2:12 AM   
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If Obama betrays what we elected him for on these issues, then we have to let him know that we will only support him if he shows he has "stones" and tells us how to go after his "masters". Enough brave Americans and we can put them down...and if we don't, he should realize he will not get a second try.

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Turn Up the Heat!
Posted by: DrBrian on Jun 1, 2009 2:25 AM   
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Whether we like it or not, we're stuck with Neocon 2.0 Obama for nearly 4 years. We can turn up the heat on him by protesting, writing letters to the editor and online postings, writing to Congress and letting him know that he's not fooling us. Finally, we can roll up our sleeves and get enough Greens into the House in 2010 to deny the Democrats a majority, which would force them to compromise.

Politicians seldom change course unless forced by overwhelming popular pressure, so it falls to us to generate that pressure by turning up the heat.

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» RE: Turn Up the Heat! Posted by: DrBrian
truthout reviews "Torturing Democracy"
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Jun 1, 2009 2:25 AM   
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Everyone Should See "Torturing Democracy"

"Torturing Democracy" begins at 9/11 and recounts how the Bush White House and the Pentagon decided to make coercive detention and abusive interrogation the official US policy in the war on terror. In sometimes graphic detail, the documentary describes the experiences of several men who were held in custody, including Shafiq Rasul, Moazzam Begg and Bisher al-Rawi, all of whom eventually were released. Charges never were filed against them and no reason was ever given for their years in custody.

There is a link to watch it at the end of the review.

I agree with them, everybody should watch "Torturing Democracy."

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» RE: Thank Quannah too Posted by: weathered
Matt! For once listen to this: expose 9/11 and we will finally get Obama to do as we want!
Posted by: pfgetty on Jun 1, 2009 2:50 AM   
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Do you want to REALLY close Guantanamo? Want to stop rendition?
Do you actually want to stop the wars and occupations in the Middle East?
End the Patriot act?

If you REALLY want to do those things, there is only one solution: exposing the lies of 9/11.
All of them are consequences of 9/11. The entire War on Terror is a result, and continues and will continue indefinitely. It is a fraud.
But if the press finally begins to expose the overwhelming evidence that 9/11 is a lie, that the truth has been covered up, all of it will end.
The evidence? Lots of it, but most of it is explained with extremely implausible but possible scenarios. But the collapse of the WTC is now proven to be caused by controlled demolition......we have the evidence and it has huge implications for our nation and the world. But this evidence just needs to be told.

Dr. Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan and seven other distinguished scientists have published a paper in a peer reviewed journal, Bentham, showing how nanothermite, an explosive, was found in dust samples from the WTC collapse. Nanothermite is a very unique and noncommercial substance that has a fingerprint.....a signature........as each type is only manufactured in research facilities linked to the military. It is easy to trace back to who made it. And there is no possible way that it would be in the dust in the quantities found unless the buildings were purposely set with it before the collapse.

Nanothermite explains why molten iron has been found in the rubble of the WTC, even after weeks. And controlled demolition explains the explosions and the nearly freefall collapse of the buildings. Nothing else does. And there is more.

Go to www.ae911truth.org for more.......14 points of characteristics of controlled demolition, and the WTC collapse agrees with all of them. And that is why hundreds of architects and engineers and other scientists do not believe the official story and have signed a petition for a new investigation, as well as thousands of highly respected people from other professions........see www.patriotsquestion911.org

But we need the media to expose this groundbreaking story, and so much other evidence that has been found that refutes the official story. You may not be allowed to do it, that is, tell the truth, on Alternet, but you have to do it somewhere. Our future is at stake. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people have died because of the lies of 9/11. Don't allow any more to die.

Daniel Ellsberg, in exposing the Pentagon Papers, is often given credit for ending the Vietnam War. He is a humble man. He says that instead of feeling proud, he feels guilty because of the many who died while he couldn't decided whether to go through with the plan to expose the papers.

Don't let any more time go on before you bring this information to the world. It is on your head.

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» No it didn't! Posted by: brunowe
» Duh! You missed the point. Posted by: pfgetty
» GIVE IT A REST ALREADY Posted by: RobbieUMD
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» RE: GIVE IT A REST ALREADY Posted by: MausMasher54
» No Peace for the wicked Posted by: weathered
» RE: No Peace for the wicked Posted by: underledge
» GitarSpill Posted by: weathered
There is an app for that
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Jun 1, 2009 2:59 AM   
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Like Hamlet
Posted by: Democritus on Jun 1, 2009 3:23 AM   
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Anyone reading Obama's books should know that he wanted to be a conciliator--a centrist who strived for consensus. Although making his bones as a community organizer, he had this vision about bringing disparate groups together, using sweet reason, and bringing forth the change he promised in his campaign.

He brought members of the Wall Street crowd on board--Summers and Geithner; he signed Hillary on, even though she supported the Iraq war almost to the end; he kept Gates on and he hired Jones, fired McKiernan, and hired McChrystal--even though the ones he retained were all "war on terror" supporters.

The result of all this sweetness and light with the opposition is his vacillation--on Guantanamo, on military commissions, on releasing the rape photos, on staying in Iraq, on surveillance rules, on catering to big banks. Like Hamlet, he knows what he should do, but he can't seem to bring himself to do it. We progressives who campaigned for him are hoping that, like Hamlet, he'll finally get tired of kissing up to the GOP the big corporations and take some action--become the aggessive progressive that our country needs.

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» RE: Like Hamlet Posted by: GatoPreto
» HA! Posted by: Cory.Goodman
» RE: HA! Posted by: Aquinas
» RE: JFK, Bobby, MLK, Wellstone... Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Excusing the Unexcusable. Posted by: oregoncharles
Just Cosmetic Changes
Posted by: Geno1190 on Jun 1, 2009 4:18 AM   
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All Obama has done is make cosmetic changes. I honestly don't believe that he has spoken truthfully to us at any time prior to, during, and after the election. He's a thoroughbred politician after all, like all the Republicrats. (I'm referring to BOTH the Democrats AND Republicans for those who are unfamiliar w/ the term.) I've yet to see any of the substantial changes he's promised... and I highly doubt those who tell me to "wait, wait, wait..." or that he "doesn't have the power" to make these changes fast enough. Like the article says, he's kept the Patriot Act intact... and we can't forget how much persuasive power his administration has over other Democrats either. If he wanted, he could put an end to the Wall Street bailouts, end the Bush era "foreign policy" and "national security" programs (like torture), and get REAL single-payer plans enacted among other things. If he were a REAL reformer, he would have done all this and more by now. (This also applies to other Democratic politicians... and Republicans too I guess.) He has NOT done any of this... instead he's just backtracked and/or done nothing when it comes to these issues. All in all, I'd say that Garfield's promise to the elites of old still holds true today. (See "A People's History of the United States" for the promise I'm referring to.)

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Well the English are giving up on
Posted by: noalternative on Jun 1, 2009 5:07 AM   
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their two major parties in favor of the greens and something called the uk independence party. Maybe we should do the same. Many democrats assisted Bush in this policy. That is why they won't change it. Get some political virgins in there and this will change.

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morgan1
Posted by: morgan1 on Jun 1, 2009 5:13 AM   
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The Demcocrats cried the blues when they were a minority in power. Now they are the majority, and they still won't do what needs to be done. I don't get them and am disgusted by the party altogether. Obama has sold out to Wall St and the MIC as well as Neocons as advisers. This is going to be a long 4 years and I do not want to see him win another 4 but the alternative may be far worse (Powell, or some other candidate still in the wings). Actually, if Obama does not step up, it won't matter. That will mean the Presidency has been bought and totally owned by private interests and we have finally lost all voice in the process.

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» RE: morgan1 Posted by: Aquinas
conquest and subjugation
Posted by: sunnywater on Jun 1, 2009 5:20 AM   
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Governments inevitably respond to the forces of pragmatism, the more they resist, the greater and more destructive their collapse.

Those willing to embrace pragmatism, not only address the "issues at hand" they move towards a more comprehensive vision of function and evolution and, through that, "justify" their own existence.

One of the perils of instantaneous or near instantaneous communication has been to bring all such events to the forefront and to contribute to social indignation as an automatic response to perceived indifference and failures.

It can also lead to levels of alienation that make the workings of government far more difficult due to the pressure of political inertia.

By creating an external, dread, the government has a means of constantly supporting and refreshing fear and then to appear to be the bastion of protection from the very thing it creates.

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» RE: conquest and subjugation Posted by: Aquinas
First Impressions..The Obama Presidency...Negative
Posted by: picket on Jun 1, 2009 5:45 AM   
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The Republicans should have nothing to complain about so far. Obama is working for them but even so in order for the Repubs to keep their base happy they find an Obama blemish and irritate & aggravate until it becomes a festering wound. Obama takes notice and moves more to the right.

Many of the electorate that I observe seem excited with just the articles about the Presidential family life, fashions and date nights. Do these people even notice that gas prices are rising? The oil people notice. The torture lovers in my town are happy. The "war is necessary people" in my town are content and they say "throw more Americans in prison". Progressives got few crumbs in the Bush years, NOW we are about to starve. $250.00 stimulus? Ha ha ha... the joke is on us !!!!


Progressives should not be happy. Middle class issues have not been addressed and yet everyone in Washington seems to be smiling.

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First Impression
Posted by: IvorT on Jun 1, 2009 6:10 AM   
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> He’s kind of running out of time to rescue his all-important first impression.

This really sums up how I've been feeling about BO of late. My sneaking suspicion that he is *all* political strategist, has precious little moral core, and near zero courage to take on sacred cows is firming up each day.

Or to use a quote from James Cameron's great flick, 'Aliens', "Game over! We're effed now... game over!"

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5 months and a Magic Wand and We'll all 'Live happily everafter'
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 1, 2009 6:26 AM   
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Sorry Folks- I don't buy the 'JUST do this and all will be well'.
"Just Close Gitmo and decades of US hatred will be solved, all the hell bent violent radicals will suddenly disappear"
"Just let the Banking industry go Bust and we'll all have our money Back and the Economy will miracluously surge"
These 'Just' arguements have failed miserabley in the past- "Just use Corn as Biofuel and all our energy problems will be solved" Ooops- forgot about that pesky food supply problem ah?
So you want all these detainees to have their day in court- you do realize some of them will be executed don't you? And what will their executions mean to their followers - Martyrdom.Which of course will lead to further revenge and more martyrs.
And this blind ambition to release more torture photos for world wide public consumption is also shortsighted,and naive. I have yet to hear any so called 'human rights advocate' state the wishes of those depicted in those photos.Why is it verbage is not adequate? Why must we 'see it for our own eyes'? Why do we not recognize that the release of these heinous photos may in and of themselves be an offensive to the detainees and the Muslim world. Perhaps by not releasing them we are preserving their dignity and their privacy. Wasn't these acts of Torture humilitating and degrading enough, without having them exposed for all the world to gawk at? I for one, if a detainee would not want those photos released depicting me in my most insufferable moments of pain,agony and denigration.Even if they blurred my face and gentials- I would know it was me and have to relive those desperate moments again.Shall we Rape the Rape victim again JUST to satisify your Judicial desires against the Bush Admin?
In 5 months this new President is to whisk away over 1/2 century of criminality committed in the M.E. by Covert (and not so convert) operations -Start with installing the Shah of Iran, the complicity of Oppressing the citizens of Oil Rich nations under the tryanny and greed of their Oil Royals and their multinational profiteers, move on to the 'coitus interruptus' during & after the Afghani/Russia war, The Iran/Iraq war were we empowered the genocidal maniac Saddam, and don't forget unwavering support of Israel regardless of their bloodlust or paranoia. Ya think 5 months will magically make this all disappear, make the world right if we JUST close Gitmo?
Come on You Are a Liberal- You are far more thoughful and intellegent than that. That kind of simplicity and fantasy is the realm of the far right Holy rollers.Thinking Obama can perform miracles is as deluded as being 'Raptured' if the Shit hits the fan.

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People must organize and stand firm if things are to change
Posted by: ZPaul on Jun 1, 2009 7:48 AM   
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People must organize and start bringing public pressure to bear on our Administration. Your comments and mine on a public forum are all well and good, but Obama needs to know in no uncertain terms what the people want, and that takes organization and action.

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ILLEGAL
Posted by: willymack on Jun 1, 2009 8:54 AM   
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The 2000 "election" was ILLEGAL, therefore
Everything the bush crime family did subsequent to the 2000 fraud was ILLEGAL, since they were in office ILLEGALLY.
The phony 2000 election led to crimes on a scale so vast, I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, and heard it with my own ears. Obama surely knows all this; he's not a shreiking teenybopper at a rock concert. Something (or someone) else is staying his hand. He needs persuasion from all citizens yearning for justice. Please contact him.

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What about the NIMBY Democratic congressmen and senators?
Posted by: sean000 on Jun 1, 2009 9:05 AM   
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I always enjoy reading Matt Taibbi's stuff, and this is no exception. I agree whole-heartedly, but I think the Democrats in the House & Senate also need to grow some stones. They are all so afraid of terrorists getting moved to prisons in their home states that they can already envision the Republican attack ads. It's a bad Catch-22 for them, but ultimately I think it is an issue that voters will quickly forget about. It's pretty easy to point out that our prisons already house terrorists and all manner of psychotics. Of course the real issue here is not where the prisoners are kept, but whether they are given due process. (and didn't a state already volunteer to take all of the prisoners?)

I'm willing to cut Obama some slack. I'm sure he knew that cleaning up this and other messes would be difficult, but I bet he underestimated just how difficult. It doesn't help that his supposed allies who control the House and the Senate are backpedaling. But I agree that this issue is very symbolic and also very visible. Most Americans may not think of this is an important issue, but it really does (and will) affect how the rest of the world sees America. I think the Obama administration has done a very good job improving the image of America, but this is a big issue that needs to be dealt with.

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» RE: What about ...yeah. no. Posted by: DaBear
» RE: "Stones?" "Slack?"!!! Posted by: oregoncharles
Bill Moyers shows TORTURE!
Posted by: exoevolution on Jun 1, 2009 10:37 AM   
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Please "everyone", check out the May 29 Bill Moyers show on PBS!

I knew of course that water boarding was torture - but Bill showed scenes from a documentary about the TORTURE America has done since 9-11 - IT MUST BE SEEN - to be believed - the "other", non water boarding TORTURE is BEYOND SICK & DEMENTED!

EVERY AMERICAN should watch this, this utter INSANITY, that has been done in "our" names!

Dick Cheney there is NO DEFENSE for this conduct!

America the home of WAR CRIMINALS - ENOUGH!

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Third Party in 2012... it's past time...
Posted by: buffeliscious on Jun 1, 2009 10:41 AM   
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I'm not ready like some of you are to give up on Obama. He's inherited a mess. He can't just wave his hands and make it all better. But with this and other decisions, his ties to the machine that obstruct the possibility of "hope and change" are becoming clearer.

It's time to find a representative of the people, clearly unencumbered by this machine, and stand united behind that person. And the time to find that person is now, not 3 years from now.

Spare me the promotions of the political shills suggested as an alternative during the election. Think big. Think beyond your personal desires and attachments. See the bigger the picture. And act now.

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» it's never "the right time" Posted by: inverse_agonist
Hope...Change... Hope. Change. Change..Ho...
Posted by: DaBear on Jun 1, 2009 10:42 AM   
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This is just more of the same owning class sensibility. Whatever seems "normal" to most of us lowers, the rich just see in some sort of perversely skewed way... like US Amerikaaners trying to reinvent soccer a few years back... because the world's game just wasn't "merkin enough for "us" to palate... so the owning class farted around with it until we lowers refused to pay for it... then we got our game back, the same game as the entire human species adores.

There's something chemical that occurs in the human brain when you become attached to Empire's brainstem.. something that happens to your core sense of humanity when you get too many zeros in the bank accounts and portfolios... you lose something the rest of us still have.... common sense, decency, clear-vision.

This is why Empire and her owning class idiocracy should never be permitted to participate in the halls of "power." They just can't get a grasp on reality long enough to live in it, let alone make policies that are relevant to normal human beings.

Oops... they've caught me... quick, drink the kool aid, look busy... Hope Change Hope Change...

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Matt Taibbi
Posted by: oregoncharles on Jun 1, 2009 11:07 AM   
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So is it OK to swear a lot when we're commenting on Taibbi?

For all his pose as a "loose cannon," radical guy, Taibbi comes to a very weak end:

"But this guy has to show some stones somewhere along the line."

Really, Matt? You REALLY think he isn't carrying out exactly his own and his party's REAL agenda?

What on Earth could they be afraid of? The Repubs are down to 22%; they're a laughingstock, and they obviously know it. The Dems have unqualified control of the government, more than the Repubs had under Bush. What you see is what you get:

THIS IS THEIR REAL AGENDA, exactly what they had in mind for us all along. So you can go on whining, begging, and voting for the "lesser evil" (How's that working out for you so far?), or you can start voting, working, and contributing for a genuine progressive alternative, the only one you've got:

The Green Party, www.gp.org.

Please, spare us the standard whines, excuses, and delusional strategies for "taking back the Democratic Party" (I've been an adult for 45 years: trust me, folks, you never had it.): we've heard them all. The brown stuff has hit the fan, and it's time to get real.

We need all the help we can get, and at least a little of your money (we're good at running on a shoestring, but there's a limit). The next campaign starts in 6 months, or even less. It's past time to get real.

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GOOD FOR YOU Matt !
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 1, 2009 11:34 AM   
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I'm tired of progressives & small-L liberals appologizing for Obama simply because he's NOT Republican.

Neo Con?
Neo Liberal?

it all smells the same to me!

They both treat 'non-Americans' like sex rags.


perspective, people.


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Progs Just Want Be Patriots Again
Posted by: shinseiji on Jun 1, 2009 12:02 PM   
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"...and show the world that what happened during the Bush years was an insane aberration, a result of our having accidentally elected an emotionally retarded sadist to the White House."

Well, clearly it ain't. That's Obama's purpose, to confirm the "insane" as the unalterable future course for the U.S.A. and its tag-along countries. The new "cyber security" initiave is but another confirmation.

Sorry Progs, but there is no alternative to being "unpatriotic" oppositionists to this regime, one that will clearly not change one iota under Obama.

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Obama never promised shit. Burn those motherfuckers alive.
Posted by: John More on Jun 1, 2009 12:05 PM   
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And buy yourselves plenty of guns and ammo since Obama and his gang are planning to finish turning this country into a fascist dictatorship.

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yup...
Posted by: lupuslefou on Jun 1, 2009 12:27 PM   
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...I completely agree.

'He’s kind of running out of time to rescue his all-important first impression.'

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Resignation
Posted by: soulrebeljc on Jun 1, 2009 1:37 PM   
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I was on the Executive Board of my State District Democrats. I was a PCO, legislative liaison, even possibly a candidate for local office.

When Obama stated that there would be no prosecutions of torture, now known to have occurred with photographic documentation...when he said we are looking forward, not looking back...

I resigned all of my Democratic positions. I am now officially an independent. I cannot support and defend the Democrats if they do not stand for the rule of law. This is supposed to separate the US from the heathen, so to speak, right? Didn't we invade Iraq because Hussein tortured his own people?

I'm having a hard time getting my head around what is obviously NOT going to happen during Obama's tenure. Namely, CHANGE.

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» RE: esignation Posted by: oregoncharles
amen
Posted by: Juven on Jun 1, 2009 5:49 PM   
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that someone is noticing this crap-- patriot act, laughing about pot being used as medicine, gitmo, torture, more war, more war! same old interests under a different guise--got rid of one mafia replaced it with another--swell.

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