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Anti-Choice Abortion Warriors Have a New Poster Girl

By Bill Berkowitz, IPS News. Posted May 30, 2009.


Meet Lila Rose, the new 20-year old face of the anti-choice movement.

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She's a politically savvy history student at the University of California, Los Angeles who is appearing on countless conservative talk radio programmes and cable television news shows.

She was given the 2008 Person of the Year Malachi Award, by the longtime anti-abortion group Operation Rescue, and received a 50,000-dollar grant from an anti-abortion philanthropist.

On her campus, she is campaigning to urge the administration to cut ties with Planned Parenthood Federation of America, a national provider of sexual and reproductive health services.

Meet Lila Rose, 20, the president of Live Action Films, and the new face of the anti-abortion movement.

Rose's emergence onto the national stage comes at a time when President Barack Obama, who supports the legal right to abortion, is nevertheless seeking "common ground" on the issue.

Recent cabinet appointments, particularly the naming of the pro-choice former governor of Kansas, Kathleen Sebelius, to head up the Department of Health and Human Services, have infuriated movement activists. An invitation to the president to speak at the University of Notre Dame, a prestigious Catholic university, sparked an enormous controversy.

Now, anti-abortion activists are gearing up to battle Obama's first nominee to the U.S. Supreme Court, Sonia Sotomayor.

The anti-abortion movement has been buoyed by a recent Gallup Poll that found that U.S. citizens appear to be shifting their views on abortion: 51 percent now call themselves "pro-life" and 42 percent "pro-choice."
This is the first time since Gallup began polling on the issue in 1995 that a majority of U.S. adults are identifying themselves as pro-life. (Editors Note: This is a controversial interpretation of the Gallup Poll results. Regardless of whether they identify as pro-life or pro-choice only 23 percent of people think abortion should be illegal).

Rose's attack on Planned Parenthood has inspired anti-abortion activists all across the country. One fascinating aspect of her story is how quickly she has become connected to the broader Christian conservative movement, receiving legal and public relations support, education training, philanthropic grants, financial awards, and a tonne of publicity from longtime conservative media operations.

Since 2006, Rose has been going into Planned Parenthood clinics pretending to be a young teenager impregnated by an older man. She described her work by saying that she goes into these clinics in order "to illustrate the abuses and the lawlessness that goes on inside these clinics regularly." Rose tries to entice a Planned Parenthood staff or volunteer to violate the law by telling her to lie about the ages of their adult boyfriends.

A boiled down -- and dramatically enhanced -- version of her videos is posted on Rose's LiveAction.org website and You Tube. While surreptitious encounters at Planned Parenthood clinics in Indianapolis, Indiana, Memphis, Tennessee, Los Angeles, California, and Tucson, Arizona may never garner Susan Boyle-type numbers, nevertheless, they could have an effect on the operations and future government funding of Planned Parenthood.

"There is this stereotype of who we pro-life leaders are, and for the most part it would be white middle-aged religious men trying to impose their will on women," said the Rev. Patrick Mahoney of the Christian Defense Coalition. "So now with Lila, you bring this young, fresh college student that completely blows any stereotypes away. No one is going to accuse Lila of being mean, vindictive and harsh."

Rose's work "is an update of an old tactic invented by Mark Crutcher of the Denton, Texas-based group Life Dynamics, whose efforts were carried out by telephone and the conversations were primarily with receptionists," Frederick Clarkson, a longtime researcher into the anti-abortion movement, told IPS.

Rose grew up in San Jose, California, was home-schooled and later attended a part-time Christian school and a junior college. She founded Live Action when she was 15 years old, giving anti-abortion presentations at schools and to youth groups. Over the past few years, she attended workshops at the Leadership Institute, a Virginia-based educational foundation that teaches conservatives how to polish their communication skills.

While a freshman at UCLA, she and James O'Keefe came up with the idea to infiltrate clinics. O'Keefe was the founder of The Rutgers Centurian, a conservative magazine published at New Jersey's Rutgers University.

Rose's work is having an impact. Earlier this year, legislators in Tennessee said they "would seek to end a 721,000-dollar contract with Planned Parenthood, citing outrage over what they saw in a [Rose] video," the Los Angeles Times reported.

That video, from July of last year, has Rose posing as a 14-year-old who was impregnated by a 31-year-old. A Planned Parenthood staffer tells her: "Just say you have a boyfriend, 17 years old, whatever."

The Orange County (California) Board of Supervisors also "voted to suspend a grant worth nearly 300,000 dollars to Planned Parenthood that was earmarked for sex education, not abortions... [after] a conservative Tustin businessman raised the issue with Supervisor John Moorlach after meeting Rose and seeing her videos," the Times reported.

According to Clarkson, co-founder of the blog Talk2Action, "health workers trying to be compassionate and helpful towards a young person in trouble find themselves in a tricky situation; exploited in order to produce antiabortion propaganda."

Clarkson pointed out that "In the previous campaign, activists tried, with little success, to get district attorneys to investigate. No charges were ever brought anywhere in the U.S. Law enforcement came to understand that the entire enterprise was a political publicity stunt. However, the new effort is to demagogue the issue to get states and localities to terminate grants and contracts to Planned Parenthood, and this has apparently already met with some success."

These days, Rose, who has received considerable publicity from anti-abortion media outlets, is surrounded by a veteran group of conservative supporters. Last September she was a featured speaker at the Family Research Council's Values Voter Summit.

The Alliance Defence Fund, a Christian legal group, has given her free legal advice; she is receiving support from the Washington, D.C.-based CRC Public Relations, a conservative PR firm that played a role in the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign that targeted Democrat John F. Kerry during the 2004 presidential race.

Earlier this year, Rose received 50,000 dollars as a winner of the Gerard Health Foundation's inaugural Life Prizes awards. The foundation is a Massachusetts-based charity founded by Raymond Ruddy, a Catholic businessman who has funded antiabortion campaigns and abstinence-only sex education projects.

Rose's efforts are "unfair of course, because no actual crimes have been committed, and it is entirely for propaganda purposes," Frederick Clarkson pointed out. "We can contrast this with the actual sex crimes committed by Catholic priests against children. No one has demanded that the government end grants and contracts with Catholic agencies such as Catholic Relief Services or Catholic Charities over this.

"In addition, surveys show that Planned Parenthood has an excellent reputation. This is problematic for the anti-abortion cause, and so there have been attacks over many years to damage Planned Parenthood's public image, and I fully expect them to continue."



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Bill Berkowitz is a longtime observer of the conservative movement. His column "Conservative Watch" documents the strategies, players, institutions, victories and defeats of the U.S. Right.

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Time to go after Lila Rose. Progressives need to fund
Posted by: Plexius2 on May 30, 2009 12:22 AM   
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an investigation of Ms. Rose and expose every detail of everything she has ever done wrong in her entire life. Let's see if she can handle being on the receiving end of a covert investigation into her life.

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» Real mature. Posted by: Ayla87
» Sad. Posted by: Your Evil Twin
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On The Grift
Posted by: Nebris on May 30, 2009 1:13 AM   
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She saw a 'market niche' and she's filling it. Bet these clowns will pay for her education right up to a PHd.

She's the Pro-Life Natalie Dylan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Dylan

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» RE: On The Grift Posted by: luzmejor
Conservatives should love abortion
Posted by: Honky the Nihilist VI on May 30, 2009 2:34 AM   
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Conservatives should love abortion

I’m a fiscal conservative and I love abortion.

Conservatives who do you think are having abortions? Do you think that a white married middle class couple terminate pregnacies (other then for medical reasons)? Probably not. You hate the Welfare Queens just like me. Wouldn’t it be better for the Ghetto/Barrio/Trailer trash to abort their kids?

What would you like more:
1. A 16 year old has an abortion, goes to college and gets a job that allows her to support herself

Or

2. A 16 year old has a kid, maybe gets a GED, is on welfare, and raises a kid that has a higher chance of becoming a teen parent, criminal and drug addict?


If it was up to me their would be a free no questions asked abortion clinic in every hospital. Don’t have a car? We’ll send the van to pick you up. Don’t speak english? We’ll find someone that speaks your language.

Abortion is great for society. It is the one medical service that I would be willing to subsidize with tax payer money for anyone, especially Illegals.

Just because I gotta:

"If women have the right to choose if they become parents, men [should] have that right too. There is a connection between legalizing abortion for women and ending of paternity suits for men. Giving men their own choices would not deny choices to women. It would only eliminate their expectation of having those choices financed by men." Karen DeCrow Former NOW president.

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I just watched the video in question...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on May 30, 2009 4:03 AM   
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...and anyone with half of a half of a brain would find the vidio inane, Lila-Rose to be a dimwitted, phoney, preying on an inept, incompetent Planned Parent Worker. Of course, therein lies a problem.

I am sure it is no accident that the PP worker is black, and sounds uneducated. We all know this will play well with their base, and especially in states like TennASSsee.

To me this is just another hateful, inept, neoconazi tactic that will not work, once it is fully exposed for what it is.

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» RE: OK, after watching these two videos... Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
» Half a brain is the problem Posted by: Hiroak
Sigh, there will always be young exceptions out there like Lila Rose. Must be a higly paid shill.
Posted by: maxpayne on May 30, 2009 4:15 AM   
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Most women and even men at age 20 could completely care less about "abortion". They have other serious matters to worry about and usually that's about the age when young adult dating gets under way. I'm sure Ms. Rose will have no problem dating a young rightwinger in his 20s. I may not believe in abortion but I'm not gonna whack others out there for doing it.

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Someone needs to take Little Lila to Africa where she can witness firsthand
Posted by: smadaj on May 30, 2009 6:24 AM   
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the agony of AIDS infected mothers as they try to keep their AIDS infected babies alive while also trying to feed the other five nearly starved children they already have.
Let her hear these women's stories, how they got AIDS and were impregnated when they were gang-raped on their way to work...
Hopefully Little Lila will be able to process that there are sometimes lesser and greater evils to choose from.

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LET"S KEEP THE FIGHT WHERE IT BELONGS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 30, 2009 8:09 AM   
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The Constitution gives women the right to terminate a pregnancy within the guidelines. The problem is not about who's pro-life it's about keeping Roe Vs Wade in place. I'm pro-life, Including the 4,300+ who have been killed in Iraq. I'm also pro-choice. We play with words and redefine meanings and no one seems to notice. 51% of Americans are NOT opposed to abortion across the board. That's misleading. Thanks, ANNA

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How much you wanna bet...
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on May 30, 2009 8:39 AM   
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That Lila Rose is a freak? She fits the profile,of a young republican pro-life hypocrite that likes to have the image of having morals but doesn't like to practice them. She probably feels dirty for being such a slut in her private life, she wants to make up for it by punishing other girl's for "slutiness". I've seen girls, and boys, like her all the time,go to church,pretend to have better morals than the rest of us,but secretly do many fucked up things,smoke weed,and all types of kinky sex. Hypocrisy is the greatest luxury

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» most likely Posted by: hurricane hugo
» RE: How much you wanna bet... Posted by: mikeblack
» RE: How much you wanna bet... Posted by: mtatasmith
White middle-aged religious men imposing their will on women
Posted by: susanhathaway on May 30, 2009 8:48 AM   
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Patrick Mahoney of the "Christian Defense Coalition" is quoted as saying that Lila Rose "blows away" the stereotype of so-called "pro-life" leaders as "white middle-aged religious men trying to impose their will on women." On the contrary, Rose epitomizes the women on whom those middle-aged religious men have imposed their will.

Having gone through the anti-choice madrasas and learned what to say to promote the message she has been taught all her life and evidently never questioned, Lila Rose is being publicized by the religious right as an independent crusader when, in fact, she is very obviously the product of a system of religious indoctrination.

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Not Sure
Posted by: JSquercia on May 30, 2009 9:22 AM   
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I find myself NOT sure as to when life begins . Many antiabortionists insist it begins at conception and I could perhaps agree as the developing Fetus has its own DNA . The problem is that others do not share this view of when life begins and I do NOT have the right to impose MY views on them .

It seems to me that would be forcing my religion's view on people and that is in violation of the right to Freedom of Relegion.

There are those who say the Anti Abortion people should really be called the Pro Birth . since they want all pregnecies to be carried to term regardless of the cause whether from Incest or Rape . Their interest seems to end at birth

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a bet
Posted by: muggs131 on May 30, 2009 9:22 AM   
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$10 says she gets knocked up in an affair with a married preacher.

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Preaching To The Converted
Posted by: mikeblack on May 30, 2009 9:54 AM   
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Every time that Republicans grab a party-member who doesn't fit into the "old white man" stereotype of the party, like Condoleeza Rice, Alberto Gonzales, Michael Steele or now Lila Rose and make a big deal about them, they're just proving the point. If you didn't have a complex issue about it, you wouldn't shove them at the media going "SEE! SEE! SEE! THEY DON'T FIT INTO THE STEREOTYPE!" The stereotype must be true.

As for Ms. Rose, her work is only going to be preaching to the choir. If you're not already a pro-lifer, I don't see how you're going to be moved by seeing her attempt to entrap an abortion provider into getting her to lie. Abortion is one of those things that you either think is wrong or you don't, you can't be swayed by a good argument (or enlarged picture of a dead fetus, as pro-lifers call an argument.)

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Cognitive Dissonance
Posted by: goeswithness on May 30, 2009 10:16 AM   
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I was watching a court show one day where a guy was suing a female friend because he'd lent her $ for an abortion. She kept protesting that it was humiliating because she was pro-life and "don't believe in that" but she "had to do it" because she "couldn't have had a baby then." I think the judge said "and yet, you did do it!"

This seems to me to be the problem. Somebody once talked about Americans basing their beliefs upon symbols, and in this case it's true. She's symbolically against abortion, but she had one for the same reason every other woman who's had one has had one.

Can't we just cut out the middle man and would they please shut their mouths about not believing in abortion, when their doing so demonstrates in the only way that matters that they really ARE pro-choice? It's as though they really think pro-choice means actively wanting abortion, which nobody does, except maybe the most demented haters of humanity.

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everything except the timing
Posted by: vasumurti on May 30, 2009 11:03 AM   
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Pro-lifers and pro-choicers agree on everything except the timing; i.e., the time to decide when to have a child is before fertilization, not after. Abortion is not a confrontation between misogynistic oppressors of women and cold-blooded "baby killers," rather it is a rational, secular debate on when human rights should begin.

Unfortunately, both sides are engaged in a propaganda war. Dr. Bernard Nathanson (co-founder of NARAL; a physician who presided over some 60,000 abortions before changing sides on the issue), writes in his 1979 book, Aborting America:

"...the Right-to-Lifers are not in favor of all 'life' under all circumstances. They are not in the forefront of the save-the-seals crusade. They are not devotees of Albert Schweitzer's 'reverence for life,' or its equivalent in Eastern religions, in which the extinction of cows or flies somehow violates the sanctity of the cosmos.

"Turning to the human species, they do not necessarily oppose the taking of life via capital punishment. Where were they when Caryl Chessman was executed for a crime he likely did not commit--and a rape at that, not a murder?

"They were likely not notably in the opposition while the United States was sacrificing lives on both sides of a questionable war in Viet Nam.

"They are not 'pro-life'; they are simply anti-abortion. "

However, Dr. Nathanson goes on to say about those who object to being labeled "pro-abortion" and prefer to call themselves "pro-choice":

"This is the Madison Avenue euphemism of the other side. Who could possibly be opposed to something so benign as 'choice' ? The answer is: Almost anyone--depending. The diehard opposition to civil rights and public accommodations for blacks Americans in the '50s and '60s was 'pro-choice' with a vengeance. Some whites wanted the 'right' to serve hamburgers or rent hotel rooms to whomever they wished.

"Most of us now oppose the concept of 'choice' in such ugly claims. The true question is, 'What choice is being offered, and should society sanction that choice?' In any honest discussion we must focus upon what is being chosen, without hiding behind the slogan."

On the Democrats-For-Life e-list several years ago, Louis Shapiro asked: Why do supporters of abortion rights, who dislike being labeled "pro-abortion" and prefer to call themselves "pro-choice," object to "Choose Life" license plate frames as well, when the slogan capitulates to the other side by inferring "Choice" ?!

And women aren't out there getting "recreational" abortions, either. A Feminists For Life pamphlet, What Women Really Want, from the mid-1990s says:

"Since both sides of the abortion issue agree that no woman wants to have an abortion, it is a cruel hoax to call abortion a woman's 'choice.' No woman should be forced to choose between relinquishing life and career plans or suffering through a humiliating, invasive procedure and sacrificing her child. Abortion is a last resort, not a free choice."

In Guerilla Apologetics for Life Issues, Paul Nowak points out that Planned Parenthood opposes even reasonable restrictions upon abortion, such as 24 hour waiting periods, parental notification, informed consent, etc. Nowak writes: "Planned Parenthood opposes clinic regulations, despite the fact that in many states there are more restrictions on veterinary clinics than self-regulated abortion facilities."

Since the goal of the pro-choice movement is to "keep abortion safe and legal," why does Planned Parenthood object to clinic regulations?

Again, both sides are engaged in a propaganda war.

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Let's be fair here......the issue of rape
Posted by: MotherLodeBeth on May 30, 2009 12:11 PM   
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Lets be fair here. Now I am pro-choice during the first trimester, and for rape, incest, and to save the life of the mother, but I also believe that if a minor is pregnant and the provider knows the father is an adult that this is rape.

Seems to me that anyone who is for women's rights that while being pro choice one better also be anti-rape or pressuring women to have sex. So the whole article bothers me because it completely ignores the breaking of federal and state law when it comes to adults having sex with minors. Were the young woman not pregnant and we found out some adult was having sex with her, would we be so 'nice'? We have teachers who have been arrested and are in prison/jail for having sex with minors. Had the article been simply about a young woman seeking an abortion it would have been a non issue.

But she is doing undercover exposes of abortion clinics who are breaking the law!! So lets be fair. These abortion providers should be doing all they can to make sure the adult men are arrested!

~Beth~

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Why Susan Boyle reference?
Posted by: HelenHighwater on May 30, 2009 12:15 PM   
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I enjoyed Berkowitz's article.
Would be better if he didn't throw in the reference to Susan Boyle.
This small Scottish-town singer, never had a bofriend, who is having a hard time coping with media blitz from her sudden Britain's Got Talent fame, has nothing to do with American politics of pro-life anti-abortion tactics.

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Why "Anti-Choice" is Intellectually Dishonest
Posted by: DSchmidt on May 30, 2009 1:30 PM   
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The reason some oppose the choice of human fetal abortion is not because they oppose choices; it is because they oppose feticide. If one opposes the choice of a man to hit his wife, is that person “anti-choice”? Of course not. The essence of opposing the choice of a man to hit his wife stems from an opposition to violence, not an opposition to choices. Likewise, the essence of opposition to feticide is not an opposition to choices, but an opposition to feticide.

By definition, someone who is "anti-choice" would be opposed to ALL choices whether they be about feticide, stealing, or eating food.

The core issue is not about choice any more than murder, slavery, and stealing are about choice. It is about what we do with living unborn human fetuses biologically developing inside and dependent on another human. Do these fetuses have rights and if so, what are they? Does the mother have rights and what are they? What do we do when these rights conflict? Do some rights take precedent over others? These are the significant questions.

Lastly, even the term “pro-choice” is misleading. It isn’t that those who are “pro-choice” support all choices (surely they don't support domestic violence); it is that they support the choice to abort a living human embryo or fetus. Opposing that choice isn't anti-choice; it is anti-embryocide, anti-feticide or pro-human life rights. Now that is precise, logical, and scientifically accurate.

http://notantichoice.com/

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"Choice" versus Rights
Posted by: vasumurti on May 30, 2009 1:43 PM   
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A rational, secular case exists for the rights of the unborn. Individual human life is a continuum from fertilization until death. Zygote, embryo, fetus, infant, toddler, adolescent, adult, etc. are all different stages of human development. To destroy that life at any stage of development is to destroy that individual.

The real question in the abortion debate is not the seemingly absurd scenario of giving full human rights to human zygotes, but rather the thorny question of how to legally protect those rights without violating a new mother's privacy and civil liberties. And the right to privacy is not absolute. If parents are abusing an already born child, for example, government "intrusion" is warranted--children have rights.

Recognizing the rights of another class of beings limits our freedoms and our choices and requires a change in our lifestyle--the abolition of (human) slavery is a good example of this. A 1964 New Jersey court ruling required a pregnant woman to undergo blood transfusions--even if her religion forbade it--for the sake of her unborn child. One could argue, therefore--apart from religion--that recognizing the rights of the unborn, like the rights of blacks, women, lesbians and gays, children, animals and the environment, is a sign of social progress.

This point was made clear by pro-life feminist Ginny Desmond Billinger, in an article entitled "Confessions of an Anti-Choice Fanatic," which originally appeared in the September/October 1982 issue of Minnesota Feminists For Life, and which later appeared in Pro-Life Feminism: Different Voices, in 1985:

"Let's take a look at just a few of the other issues that I, as an avowed antichoicer, am ready to address:

"Spouse and child beating--here, my position is unhesitatingly anti-choice. My perspective as a spouse, a parent, and a former child qualifies me to support all measures to remove from people the freedom to choose to abuse their family members--even in the privacy of their own homes.

"Drunk driving--Again, anti-choice. I'm afraid I must impose my morality on those who would choose to operate life-threatening machines while influenced by alcohol, and ask them to temporarily abstain from one or the other.

"Gun control--Despite the big-bucks, 'constitutional rights' lobbying by the NRA, I remain consistently anti-choice on this issue. The memory of a friend, forces me to reject any justification for handgun ownership without strict regulation.

"Endangered species protection--Faced with a whale-hunter or seal-clubber, I'll take a hard line anti-choice stand every time.

"Hazardous waste disposal--We're talking about the rights of corporate America vs. the average Joe here, but my anti-choice position still applies. The right to choose efficient business practices must always be weighed against the public's right to a safe environment. Ditto for occupational safety and health issues.

"I expect that these declarations will leave me open to censure; I will no doubt be labeled a heretic. The American principle of personal liberty would surely suffer with the propagation of my anti-choice philosophy...

"So call me what you will: pro-life, anti-choice, fetus-worshipper, anti-abortion. A thousand labels will never alter the certainty that the road to freedom cannot be paved with the sacrificed rights of others."

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» RE: "Choice" versus Rights Posted by: abstractedaway
» Very fancy talk! Posted by: morticia
» Ridiculous Posted by: BobNoxious
» Where's the suffering?? Posted by: verdulo
Person who cares about EVERYONE'S daughters
Posted by: judette on May 30, 2009 5:12 PM   
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These people should be ashamed of themselves. They keep harping on this totally unrealistic idea of abstinance, while many are secretly buying pornography and particepating in lude and illegal sex. I would rather my daughter have a safe abortion at a clean, well-equipped clinic or hospital done by a licensed doctor, than choose the alternative of suicide, ingesting any and/or all of "grandmas' remedies" or finding anybody willing to use a coat-hanger to relieve the problem, which many times leads to the death of the mother. Just show an adult pregnant woman a picture of an aborted fetus and I'll bet you any amount of money, it would change their minds.

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Why stop there?
Posted by: MattDesrochers on May 30, 2009 7:15 PM   
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If you want to lobby the government to cut ties with organizations dedicated to providing the information and tools necessary to practice safe sex, why stop there?

While your at it, why not lobby to remove a woman's right to choose an elected official? Or how about a woman's right to work?

This sadly misguided girl clearly has no idea what her female predecessors endured simply so she could have the right to speak her opinion.

Furthermore, Steven Levitt has shown that abortions actually reduce crime, given that those who are more likely to have an abortion are also more likely to have the precursors which lead people to crime (young mothers, people from poor socio-economic backgrounds, drug users, etc.) but I digress (do a little research for yourself).

Lastly, may I say that I am male, and I believe in our unalienable right to do as we please.

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» RE: Why stop there? Posted by: Red State Gal
» Well...... Posted by: BobNoxious
Remember David Duke?
Posted by: ender on May 30, 2009 9:53 PM   
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The girl is the David Duke of the pro-life movement and that is scary as hell.

David Duke was a progressive's nightmare: a former grand wizard of the KKK who was photogenic, charismatic, smart and well-spoken.

He ran for governor and senator and almost won!

Imagine what SHE could do in the age of the internet, 10 second attention spans and 5th grade reading levels.

She needs to be taken down quickly to minimize her influence.

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Thankfull
Posted by: LuckyMe on May 31, 2009 5:45 AM   
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Thankfully there arent to many peoples like lila rose out ther trying to strop planed parenthood. My man and me alredy have 5 kids in our trailor and mores woold only make things harder for us than they is now. Planed parenthhod does gfood work but peoples like rose sre bad. Its good to see theres so many peoples who thinks like I do. Sex is natural having to many babys is not. Cocervative republicans need to mind they own busines

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» I would gladly subsidize your abortions. Posted by: Honky the Nihilist VI
» RE: Thankfull Posted by: BobNoxious
Pro Life= Pro Prison
Posted by: hardwroc on May 31, 2009 10:20 AM   
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What it boils down to is another instance where SOME feel, those that choose differently than themselves should be imprisoned. It's not enough to quietly feel superior, but, they feel the need to incarcerate, cause financial harm to, and take away freedoms of someone that makes their choices on personal not religious beleifs.
Since Doctors say life begins at one point and the RR beleives it starts instantly we have a dilemma. We all know that SUSTAINABLE life is in the third trimester, and the Bible refers to God "Breathing the breath of life into" the child, I can't help but feel we should be looking at that point when breathing air begins.
But, as a man, my choice is secondary, the woman, has several freedoms. One is supposedly Dr, patient confidentiality. That means, what she and her doctor do to treat her case, IS NONE of OUR BUSINESS, and for you to intrude is technically violating the law.
The nations laws are NOT CHURCH laws, so YOUR religion is NOT BINDING on all Americans.

The bottom line, is a group wants to imprison MORE Americans on THEIR choices. This can lead to a slippery slope of one group locking up another, as seen by the annual 700,000 locked up for pot smoking.
Thats sure working out well.
Will we eventually have evangelicals wanting to imprison Mormons? Will we start a drive to break the Catholic church for those that have violated trust?
Will we have 2/3 or our people in prison before we remember we are not our brothers keeper?
I would respect the pro life movement more if they would acknowledge REALITY of life ie; pre marital sex. And more if they would spend their money creating and maintaining orphanages or places for these babies they are so eager to bring to the world. CREATE A LIVING CHOICE FOR THOSE UNPLANNED/UNWANTED BABIES YOU SO MUCH LOVE!

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Seret Shoppers
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on May 31, 2009 10:28 AM   
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Planned Parenthood screwed up, and it will likely cost them millions of dollars that are sorely needed to continue their mission. They certainly should know that the opposition is out to destroy them by any means possible, and they were forewarned by the previous telephone stings.

If I were running Planned Parenthood, this is what I would do immediately:

1. Institute rigorous and repetitive training with spot testing of all employees and volunteers in all applicable state and federal laws, stressing the absolute need for compliance.

2. Set up procedures for second opinions on any questionable situations. Counselors should be instructed to consult with a supervisor or call a hot line whenever they feel that they are in over their heads.

3. Set up "Secret Shoppers" to do exactly what Lila Rose does - put counselors on the spot. Notify workers that they may be "shopped" at any time. Then take appropriate actions whenever the laws and policies are not scrupulously followed.

It was obvious in the video that the counselor was distressed at the girl's apparent revelation of statutory rape. Though well meaning and compassionate, she made a horrible decision which did incalculable damage to Planned Parenthood and to the thousands of women and families who desperately need their help every year.

In the inexcusable dearth of family planning services by government, Planned Parenthood is too important to be lost to mismanagement.

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» RE: Seret Shoppers Posted by: maddasein
» RE: Secret Shoppers Posted by: KeepsonTickn
» RE: Easier way... Posted by: lightwing1
» There are some problems with that. Posted by: KeepsonTickn
Dr. George Tiller was murdered this morning
Posted by: hurricane hugo on May 31, 2009 10:38 AM   
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to hell with this twat.

#@!

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Pro-choice physician
Posted by: drsgk on May 31, 2009 12:48 PM   
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So now murder (Dr. Tiller) by the "pro-life" folks is ok? Is this their version of post-natal abortion?
How do they substantiate their self-righteous actions? Shameful. Ultimately, they will have to answer to the "deity" they think directs them.

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The Pro-Lifer's Adoption Dreams Are Just That
Posted by: mikeblack on May 31, 2009 12:49 PM   
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This fairy tale belief that pro-lifers have about all aborted babies having countless well-to-do families just waiting to adopt them is beyond ridiculous. The adoption system in America is a joke. A family friend of mine took nearly a decade to get approved for adoption, and I know they’re far from alone. It’s why so many people look to adopting foreign babies, they get sick of being on a waiting list forever.

And even if you miraculously did repair the American adoption system, you’d still have far too many children than you’d have foster or adoptive homes for if abortion was banned. It would be a social workers nightmare probably ending with restrictions on putting children up for adoption. And then that would lead to all kinds of ugly situations with "home abortions" that are the reason most people support medical abortions and even babies being abandoned or worse.

Pro-choice people admit abortion is a horrible thing. But there is no realistic alternative.

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Murder in church
Posted by: CJC on May 31, 2009 10:51 PM   
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A doctor who bravely performed late-term abortions for women who needed them - and NO ONE does this lightly! - was murdered inside his church in Wichita, KS on Sunday.

Lila Rose is likely not politically savvy. She's young and ignorant - even if she has a high IQ.

Self-appointed moralists who think they have a special understanding of life that they are entitled to impose on those about whom they know nothing promote intransigence which can lead to violence, as happened in Wichita on Sunday. Dr. Tiller had been shot, in both arms, before.

All those who oppose abortion should put their efforts into improving access to birth control, educating themselves about maternal and child health, and working tirelessly to improve the lives of women and children everywhere.

Lila Rose should get off her soapbox and spend more time learning and understanding.

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What's the big deal?
Posted by: Ayla87 on Jun 1, 2009 1:14 PM   
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She exposed the flaws of an American institution. She pretended to be something she wasn't then recorded thier reaction. People do this all the time. It's called muckraking, and it's very effective. Unfortuneately it's not practiced alot in modern journalism.

Her political leanings don't change the fact that Planned Parenthood fucked up. BIG TIME. And they should be held accountable for it.

She's 20 years old. Had she gone to a liquor store without ID and successfully bought alcohol, would you side with the cashier?

Or if she had gone to an Army recruiter and caught him on hidden camera telling her how to fake a diploma and get past a drug test, would you defend the recruiter saying that he was pressed to meet his quota?

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» "PP Deserves" vs "Women Deserve" Posted by: KeepsonTickn
See what I say, not what I do
Posted by: Yazzi on Jun 1, 2009 6:19 PM   
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It is interesting that the fact that she is LYING and MANIPULATING to get her way goes unmentioned. Her willingness to do so in this situation suggests that she is likely to do so in others...

I guess some will like her style; birds of a feather...!

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Tone down the rhetoric
Posted by: omygodnotagain on Jun 3, 2009 7:38 PM   
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It would be a welcome change if both sides toned down the rhetoric. This comment has value, yes "coded" words exist in media. Pro Choice Pro Life are coded words, one only has to consider the opposite anti-life anti abortion. Addressing the article, an increasing number of young women are much less passionate about the abortion issue. They see a paradox, a culture saturated in sex disconnected from responsibility. Strange as this may sound to some sex is still primarily for procreation. Viewing it as just healthy past time or something "normal" people have to do with no consideration about possible consequences, is irresponsible and often abortion is seen as emergency contraception. If the media promotes a liberal attitude to sex they should help pay for the consequences. A woman has a choice when she can say yes or no not based entirely on financial considerations. Make the Hollywood sleaze train pay for leave, day care, health care, time away from college and work etc so a woman if she CHOOSES has a real choice.
Would be productive for all women if the Pro Choice and Pro Life movement made some effort to move in that direction.

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