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The Results Are In: Americans Are Now More Closely Aligned With Progressive Ideas Than at Any Time in Memory

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted May 30, 2009.


On issue after issue, significant majorities of Americans favor progressive solutions to the nation's problems and reject the right's worldview.

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    On issue after substantive issue, significant majorities of Americans favor progressive solutions to the nation's problems and reject the right's worldview. That's true whether the issue at hand is taxes, war and peace, the role of government in the economy, health care, and on and on.  

    Yet the idea that America is a "center-right" nation persists; Republican and conservative activists repeat the assertion ad nauseum -- as it's in their interest to do -- and most of the political press corps swallows it whole.

    The idea is like a zombie -- you can bludgeon it, burn it or get Dick Cheney to shoot it in the face, but it keeps coming -- it will not die.

    The persistence of the center-right narrative, even in the face of piles of evidence suggesting it's little more than a myth, has very real consequences on our political discourse.

    Aside from coloring the way the media covers -- and the public views -- the vital issues of the day, it impacts progressive activists, who even when they have the wind at their backs often feel the need to move slowly, cautiously and in ways that will minimize direct confrontation with the conservative movement.

    Progressives have long begun the legislative process in the middle and then moved to the center-right, when the reality is that the country is looking for bold changes, not incremental tinkering. 

    This week, a new report released by the Campaign for America's Future and the media watchdog group MediaMatters attempts to finally bury the idea that the U.S. leans rightward. It takes a comprehensive look at the political landscape in which we live and a look forward at America's shifting demographic profile -- all of which reveal a citizenry that is anything but center-right and will only continue to trend in a more progressive direction, leaving modern conservatism increasingly isolated in its ideas. 

    The study gathered public-opinion data from a number of respected, nonpartisan polling outfits, findings from the (huge) National Election Study series and official statistics on ethnicity and gender to make the case. Among the findings: 

    • On what may be the key difference between liberals and conservatives today -- the role of government -- more than twice as many people agree with the statement, "there are more things government should be doing" than believe the Reaganite adage, "the less government, the better."
    • In 1994, more than half of Americans said, "government regulation of business usually does more harm than good" and fewer than 4 out of 10 thought "government regulation of business is necessary to protect the public interest." That's been flipped on its head during the 15 years since -- today, fewer than 4 in 10 believe regulation causes more harm than good.
    • A majority (55-70 percent, depending on how the question is worded) believes it's the government's responsibility to provide health care to all Americans; fewer than a third of those responding to a CBS/New York Times poll thought health insurance should be "left only to private enterprise."
    • Almost 2 out of 3 Americans believe the taxes they pay are fair, and that the very wealthy pay too little in taxes; almost 7 in 10 believe corporations don't pay their fair share of taxes.

    During a conference call with reporters, Robert Borosage, co-director of Campaign for America's future, acknowledged that until 15 to 20 years ago, a center-right coalition of conservatives and political moderates did represent a majority of the electorate, but noted that the views of moderates and independents have grown much more closely aligned with those of more progressive voters, and the result is a center-left mandate for the new administration and Democratic-controlled Congress.  

    What's more, the country's changing demographics suggest that America will continue to be a center-left country in the coming decades. The most progressive (or at least solidly Democratic-leaning) constituencies in the country -- single women, African Americans and other minority groups, young people -- are growing as a share of the electorate, while the "Reagan Democrats" -- older, working-class whites -- who were the backbone of the conservative movement are declining as a share of the population.


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the polls would seem to point in the opposite direction...
Posted by: Annapurna1 on May 30, 2009 1:18 AM   
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the new pew research poll paints a picture of what can only be called an arch-conservative america...even more telling is the new gallup poll on abortion.. which indicates that the far-right trend has accelerated rapidly in recent months.. "pro-life" being a moniker for neoconservatism in general.. which asserts that the right to life ends at birth...

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» its a different pew poll... Posted by: Annapurna1
» whoops Posted by: halg
The gallup poll admitted it
Posted by: noalternative on May 30, 2009 1:22 AM   
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oversampled republicans by 11 percentage points. They are only 21% of the population but 32 percent of this poll.

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They know this isn't a center right
Posted by: noalternative on May 30, 2009 1:24 AM   
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country. The media and the politial establishment are center right, and while the country maybe more progressive, they aren't willing to elect them. They voted for center-right obama. If a center-rightist uses progressive rhetoric, a typical low info progressive will believe he is a progressive. That is what the election of Barak Obama shows.

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Bad News for Barack
Posted by: DrBrian on May 30, 2009 1:37 AM   
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This is why Obama will be a one-term president. He's to the right of Americans in general, and far to the right of Democrats. What worries me is that after 8 years of Bush and 4 of Obama, the damage to our country will be irreparable.

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» RE: Bad News for Barack Posted by: Mathew Trisencusean
» RE: No, he can't because... Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Huh? Posted by: oregoncharles
Private gun ownership is Progressive.
Posted by: Honky the Nihilist VI on May 30, 2009 2:08 AM   
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If the assertion made in the title is correct, progressive Americans support gun rights. It is too bad unprogressive politicians like Feinstein and McCarthy (hmm any relation to the other McCarthy?) are out of touch with America.

“We'll probably end up passing more gun bills" that expand owners' rights "than we did during the Republican administration," said Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., a leading gun control advocate. "That is what surprises me."

Look at how many states score “poorly” according to the Brady-Stalin campaign:

Suck it

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» RE: Gun-toting liberals Posted by: Sushi
Who conducted the poll, Arthur Andersen?
Posted by: weathered on May 30, 2009 2:28 AM   
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Polls are elastic numbers, sometimes specious, skewed and always subject to context.

Political leanings are only meaningful if they can be executed. Today all bets are off, otherwise we'd be out of Iraq/Afgn and bldg. electronic rail systems and infrastructures of esteemable hope.

Instead we live w/a Patriot Act/Homeland Security a 9/11 fraud and impending internet lock-down - all bundled up in package MSM can massage.

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» Let me ask this. Posted by: james108
» lol Posted by: EinMD
The I Word
Posted by: DrGeneNelson on May 30, 2009 2:30 AM   
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Immigration is not mentioned in this article. The bedrock civil right is to have access to employment, ideally employment that makes use of an individual's training and experience. Without employment, almost all other individual civil rights vanish.

The problem is that the economic and political elites that have imposed the greatest wave of immigration (about 40 million from 1990 to present) have been indifferent to the economic harms to the U.S. middle class - including immigrants arriving prior to 1990 - of this huge wave of people. The labor gluts that have resulted have depressed wages and worsened working conditions across all skill levels, including careers employing Ph.D.s. Ask most any adjunct professor what they are earning per hour (when out of class preparation time is included) and they will inform you their hourly wage is painfully close to the minimum wage. An example of how the economic elite benefit is Bill Gates, III. I believe he became the world's wealthiest man because his firm was able to exploit the gaping loopholes in work visa law. (About 1/3 of Microsoft's 46,000 U.S. employees possessed work visas on 5 April 2007, according to an AP story quoting Microsoft spokeswoman Ginny Terzano.)

Most Americans report that since 1990 it is hard to obtain a "good" job. A truly progressive political stance includes insuring that the U.S. middle class has access to employment. That means throttling back immigration, just like the U.S. policy changed to essentially cutting off immigration during the Great Depression.

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» Immigration Posted by: EinMD
It has always been so
Posted by: Perry Logan on May 30, 2009 2:38 AM   
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America haa always been a progressive country. Poll after poll, over a period of several decades, has shown this.

Michael Moore pointed this out in "Downsize This." The idea that America is or ever was a conservative country is a complete fraud.

One has only to point to Social Security. A "right center" nation would not have Social Security. So there you go.

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» RE: It has always been so Posted by: richholland
Beware of Divide and Conquer tactics...
Posted by: ExposeTheIsraelLobby on May 30, 2009 3:12 AM   
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because that was the neocon plan for Iraq: Disband the Iraqi army, de-Baathify down to the lower ranks, stoke resentment and eventual civil war between the Sunni and Shia, with the ethnic cleansing and defacto Partitioning of Iraq into smaller, weaker states as the ultimate goal.

Watch the following videos on the carving up of Iraq:
youtube.com/watch?v=u4MdyJDnSoI
youtube.com/watch?v=yp_iTR9dI6o


Washington Post Q & A with PBS Frontline director Michael Kirk

Q: In making your film, what were you able to learn about who originated the "deep deBaathification" and the "disband the Iraqi army" decisions? Did you learn what motivated these disastrous decisions?

KIRK: The idea of deBaathification seems to have grown out of the offices of Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith at the Pentagon.


VIDEO: Watch Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif)
say the following at AIPAC (1:20 minutes in)

"The Persian population in Iran is not a majority, it is a plurality. There are many different, diverse and disagreeing populations inside Iran. And an obvious strategy, which I believe is a very good strategy, is to work to separate those populations."


Download an mp3 of Philip Weiss discussing the War for Israel agenda:
antiwar.com/radio/2008/07/12/philip-weiss/

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Reagan...
Posted by: adp3d on May 30, 2009 3:30 AM   
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...went on to increase government by a good 60 percent. Clinton/Gore made a truly good faith attempt to downsize government, and succeeded by dismantling the welfare system. Bush truly failed by trying to privatize everything and let industries regulate themselves with disastrous results.

So if we are truly moving to the progressive we should see a government sponsored single-payer health system as a "choice" among the various plans put forward by insurance company sponsored congresspersons. Tell your industry sponsored congresspeople to support HR 626.

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» RE: eagan... Posted by: Namaimo
This comment has been removed from the site due to non-compliance with AlterNet's community policies.
» Welcome to Israel Posted by: weathered
» Hate, itself, is just a word. Posted by: countingdaisies
The "Results" are Irrelevant under FASCIST RULE
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on May 30, 2009 3:33 AM   
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"What's more, the country's changing demographics suggest that America will continue to be a center-left country in the coming decades."

This entire column buys into a Washington-MSM promoted farce that DOES NOT EXIST. Namely: that America is a somewhat dysfunctional "democracy" run under a broken "capitalist" free market system heroically trying to find its way.

Conservative?

What is "conservative" about a supposed republican BushCo puppet regime that bloated the government in size over 50% larger in 8 years? Not to mention further eroding capital market regulations so that banks under the private "Federal Reserve" Corp system were allowed to jeopardize the entire global economy into meltdown for profit. Lastly what is “conservative” about going on a bloody rampage of genocidal 9/11 "war on terror" for so-called rogue "nation building" binge throughout the world? And all based on a 9/11 event that is an officially acknowledged coverup?

Progressive?

What is "progressive" about a ruling class democrat Obama flunky regime that has promoted a FISA spy state, virtually unlimited Wall Street Bailouts and ongoing sham 9/11 "war on terror" that is at least 1,000 LIES old according to the Center for Public Integrity? On the domestic front, failures such as pandering to the Big "Healthcare" lobby to guarantee there is no single payer insurance plan is just the tip of betrayal behind a “Hope We Can Believe In” dodge that was a charade from the first day to the last.

What was “progressive” about the first democrat “progressive” president Klu Klux Klan stooge Woodrow Wilson who signed the “Federal Reserve” Act into law putting what amounts to an overclass private bank monopoly in charge of America? Wilson also rubberstamped the “Sedition Act of 1918” to jail anyone that seriously protested the for-profit blood money lunacy of World War 1.

The truth is, there can be no real “center” or “left” to “right” at a nation that is labeled as anything but what it actually is: a FASCIST STATE.

FASCISM (noun)

any movement, tendency, or ideology that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism

Encarta® World English Dictionary



“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government of the U.S. ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
President FDR (on de facto Fascist rule in a letter to corporate monopoly charlatan “Colonel” Edward M. House, co-founder of the Council on Foreign Relations and political fixer for the ruling class. House also handled President Wilson. 11/21/ l933 from the book "F.D.R.: His Personal Letters" - New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce 1950)

“The minority, the ruling class at present, has the schools and press, usually the Church as well, under its thumb. This enables it to organize and sway the emotions of the masses, and make its tool of them.”
Doctor Albert Einstein (in a letter to Sigmund Freud 7/30/1932. 1879-1955)

“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers."
Thomas Pynchon (Gravity’s Rainbow 1973)

“Over time whoever controls the money system controls the nation.”
Stephen Zarlenga (Director American Monetary Institute)

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» You've cut to the chase. Posted by: freelyb
It Doesn't Matter, Though, When Our Politicians Are Owned by the Bankers
Posted by: ATH on May 30, 2009 4:07 AM   
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Our founders created a constitutional Republic, but that form of government, where the people retain the power, is gone. What we no live under is closest to corporatism.

But it doesn't really matter anymore, because we waited too long to start changing our entire infrastructure. People have no idea how dependent upon oil this country is; we use far more petroleum feeding this country's desire for meat than we do in our vehicles. Transportation is not the biggest problem, but rather our food industry. In fact, modern agriculture is defined as: using land to turn petroleum into food. It has been through the industrialization of agriculture that has allowed our species to grow far beyond sustainability. This Earth is severely overpopulated. Moreover, our appetite for meat, and how that is met, causes more global warming than all the cars and planes, etc. combined. They're also virtual pretri dishes for creating new viruses.

Also, it's untrue that we have 500 years of coal. That number is based upon a number of assumptions, many of which are impossible. First, it's based on the assumption that we can retrieve all the coal known or believed to exist in the U.S. This is impossible, even if we let them blow the top off every mountain in this country. It's also based upon the assumptions of zero growth of coal production, and zero population growth. When you add these factors back in, we discover that the number if closer to 50 years than to 500. 100 years max, 46 years min. But it's a good thing that we can't burn coal for another 500 years!

Oil is running out, and quickly. The truth is, we don't have time to perfect alternative energies we should have been pursuing with the enthusiasm of the Manhattan Project, and on an even grander scale. But we can never seem to gain the will to create positive, helpful things like we can when it comes to creating WMDs.
When viewed against a larger backdrop of time, even a millennium, the whole era of oil is but a brief spike against this longer breadth of time. And with oil will go our modern way of life.

There are people, however, who are willing to pre-empt nature and destroy billions of human lives in order to reduce the population. After all, they can't create new resources, or turn back the clock to begin the work that should have started in the 70s when American oil production peaked. Carter tried to get us onto a new path. He even put solar pannels on the White House, but one of Reagan's first acts was to have those ripped down. Because of greed, our species will suffer horribly.

These people, the self proclaimed 'elite' of the world, the bankers and corporate titans, don't want to give up their plush lives. So, we will use American military force to takeover the remaining oil resources of the world. Iraq could be seen as one of the first of a new beginning of numerous such wars. And now that they have their "war on terror," which means endless war, they don't even have to bother coming up with new lies to gain the people's support. They're getting to the point where they don't care what we think, for we do not hold them accountable. We do not protest in the millions, which is what is required at this point.
But no matter what they do, oil is running out at an astonishing rate. They still haven't figured out a way to kill off 2/3rdsof the world's population without also causing perfect conditions for their own demise.

I'm almost out of space. I will continue this post in another one.

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It Doesn't Matter, Though, When Our Politicians Are Owned by the Bankers--cont.
Posted by: ATH on May 30, 2009 4:08 AM   
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But it's too late now. We don't have the resources, or won't allocate them, to change to a more sustainable way of life. To completely change our infrastructure, to replace oil in our food production: these are things for which they do not have answers, because no one was looking ahead. They were too busy counting their money. America represents aprox 5% of the world's population, yet we are using 25% of the world's resources. Our very way of life is only possible through the suffering of others. For us to live the way we do requires others to live in utter poverty, and to do without so much that we take for granted. It is truly saddening. And the world sees us for the hypocrites we are! We have executed and imprisonned for life the lawmakers, offcials, and soldiers from other countries when they tortured us. Yet, even when there is indisputable evidence that our previous president and vice-president, along with many senior officials in the Bush admin. set up a program, ordered from the very top, to implement systematic torture. Because of the way people were rounded up, many innocents were captured, held without trial, or right to attorney, (or even habeus corpus for a significant period) and brutally tortured on a daily basis for years. Not only were detainees, many of whom had to be innocent, by the sheer probability of this, due to the fact that soldiers admitted that guilt or innocense was not a priority for them when rounding people up. There wasn't one Iraqi amongst the 9/11 hi-jackers, according to the official conspiracy theory. Yet not only did we torture these people, we tortured over a hundred of them to death! Children were apparantly raped and tortured as well! Yet, despite president Obama's empty words about "no one being above the law," it's quite obvious that some people are completely above the law; and by not executing the laws of the U.S. faithfully, Obama is making himself complicit in what is essentially a cover up of torture and murder by torture. And people wonder why the world frowns upon us. We couldn't be bigger hypocrites if we tried.

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» You mirror my thoughts... Posted by: freelyb
Polls are nothing but useless drivel and they don't matter.
Posted by: maxpayne on May 30, 2009 5:46 AM   
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Most Americans support single payer healthcare, EFCA, getting us the hell out of Iraq and not bombing Afghanistan or Pakistan, paying down the national debt instead of more tax cuts for the wealthy/corporate elite and wasteful spending including the military, ending the war on drugs and removing the illegal barrier on industrial hemp, etc ... but is Washington listening? Fuck no ! What are we gonna do next time? We're just gonna keep shooting our heads out and electing the same old pols in both parties. Oh, hey look ! The TV says the "economy" is going great and consumer confidence is going right back up and all this despite growing unemployment soooooooooooo everything's going hunky dory, har har har, and we're all ready to be a bunch of flying greedy pigshits ! Well I don't buy any of that bullshit and anyone who wants to tell me that the economy is turning around and getting better ought to be shot !

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change is coming
Posted by: chrysalis124812 on May 30, 2009 5:57 AM   
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But to get it we have to boycott just about everything. Make money obsolete, don't support insurance companies, if substantial enough numbers of people just quit buying it the house of cards would crumble. Medical fees didn't skyrocket until big corporations started providing insurance for their employees. Then it cost them $2 a visit and the cash price climbed off the charts. When crises strike your neighbor, help them, then insurance is not required. That is what the insurance system is, an excuse not to have to inconvenience yourself to assist another. (tsk-tsk you should have had insurance)Park your car at the gas pump, walk away and throw the keys down the sewer. Support local small farmers and food coops, not the supermarket. Take a good look at what is truly valuable if life and eschew the rest. If we don't support the bloodsucker in large enough numbers, it will shrivel and die. The established political process is clearly too corrupted to salvage. It will take a bit of sacrifice, yeah, tireless resistance and a lot of solidarity, but it seems to be the only way to change course.

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» If It Were Only That Simple Posted by: NoPCZone
psychologist
Posted by: psychologist on May 30, 2009 6:07 AM   
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If what you say is true then why are all the progressive news services going bankrupt? Why is Fox News showing a following more than the sum totals of all the other services together? Why are so many people on the street telling me they wish they had never heard of Obama and will never vote democrat again? Why is Sarah Palin becoming more popular and is being sought after despite what is being printed? If anyone believes this article, I have some swamp land in Nevada to sell! Reagan Democrats are coming out of their shell and showing up at tea parties! I have met and talked with them! Your are delusional following your Messiah to a one term grave!

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Progressive but Ignorant
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on May 30, 2009 6:16 AM   
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The public may have some progressive instincts, but by and large they are informed by radio and television programs that are predominately corporate-conservative. Put another way, just a few corporate Republicans control what most people understand about the world; they determine what people understand as reality.

This is no accident. Wealthy Republicans and corporations decided to take over the media after the Goldwater debacle in 1964. They have spent billions of dollars in this project and now they largely control our media. They do it with a delicate touch, so that reporters may not even admit to themselves how they color their reporting to keep their editors happy, but Republicans do control the major media.

So long as the right controls the message that people hear on their televisions and radios they will be able to lead the country where they want. The growth of the internet represents a crack in the media wall they have created and this crack has allowed another message to get through. This is important and today there is even one major cable network that carries a progressive message a good part of the day but we have to wonder how long this crack will persist. It is still the case that most people are under the sway of the other networks and the progressive point of view still has to struggle to be heard.

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» RE: Progressive but Ignorant Posted by: chrysalis124812
Where's the poll, Josh
Posted by: daw13 on May 30, 2009 7:21 AM   
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The link in your article takes me to a great progressive cite with a short piece indicating that they either collected or found some poll data indicating what you report -- but no link to an actual poll or study. As a social scientist I can't take your article seriously or share it with students based on what it contains. As a progressive citizen, this kind of manipulative journalism on our side makes me sad.

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Conservatism as a mental disorder!
Posted by: frankly1 on May 30, 2009 7:32 AM   
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Having lived through the friedman inspired Reagan revoloution I believe Conservatism, paticularly in working people (i.e. non-millionaires), to be a paranoid mental disorder. To be a true "conservative" of the order that we are generally exposed to in the mass media it is necessary to veiw reality in the same way a person with a mental disorder sees the world. You are in constant peril from invisible enemies that threaten the very fabric of your existence and the social order. Any expanation of the facts is pointless to the insane because any challenge to the deeply held "belief" is either liberal propagana or simply "edited" to suport the existing delusion. Much of the mass media feeds this derangement constantly. So, like clicks in a side ward at the happy house the loons gravitate to Fox news or "rush" to have their fear and paranoia fed and renewed so they can feel "right" about sending thier kids to kill and be killed abroad. They can grasp thier guns and say they are essential to thier "freedom" and needed for the coming assault by gays, blacks, arabs or any other series of phantom forces. This mania has been encouraged and exploited by a small group of elite orgaizations to facilitate the largest plunder in history.
Most resonably normal people, when in possession of sound information are "liberal" or somewhat progressive as this benifits the vast majority of society instead of enriching the very few by exploiting many.

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Not in the corporate media's interest
Posted by: LoveAlex59 on May 30, 2009 8:07 AM   
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It's not in the interest of the huge corporations to report the truth when the evidence clearly shows a swing in public opinion towards the left! This is why I was opposed to the changes in law that allowed for the huge corporations to gobble up the media outlets and replace what was our free press with this monster we have now! Even the so-called "liberal" NBC is nothing more than a huge parent corporation and their interests lie in keeping Americans as disinformed about the truth as is possible! It's all a very tragic story and an appaling assault on our right to be informed!

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many years ago polls showed...
Posted by: ellie on May 30, 2009 8:33 AM   
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that americans are liberal when it comes to them personally, but conservative on how to pay for it... we want it all for free...

now how to pay for free??? in a perfect world, we would still have control over our own well being and people we care to help out voluntarily... we gave away that right with demands on politicians and corporations to start doing it for us... time savings for us, profits for them was the beginning, we were ok with that within our own self defined boundaries...

now they know how to get $$ out of us one way or another for the greater good of all... we'll pay for it no matter if we want it or not one way or another till we're further in hock then we already are personally and as a nation...

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Progressives IN Talk Only (PINTO)
Posted by: NoPCZone on May 30, 2009 8:50 AM   
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We have a supposedly Democratic Congress and President, with the House Speaker coming from San Francisco and our first non-white President and we have little, if anything, to show for it. It's time for an accountability- because they are either:
1-Clueless as to how to be effective.
2-Bought and paid for.
3-PINTOs that are nothing more than careerist politicians pandering to the progressives that have supported and worked to get them to Washington.

Last October, when the economic markets were in free fall, an unpopular lame duck was in the White House and the McSame campaign in self destruct mode the Democrats in Congress could have swung for the fences and didn't even get a bunt. Over overwhelming public opposition they gave a lame duck Republican a blank check or a banking bail out and got NOTHING for it. That's when I was sure that representative democracy was effectively dead in America.

The democrats could have given the bankers their bail out in exchange for EFCA, Bankruptcy reform and Universal healthcare- period. Make it an all or nothing package deal. The Rethugs would have given in and it would be a done deal. As it stands now, the Bankers got the bail out, we got the bill and the same interests that hot bailed out are lobbying against market reforms, union law reforms and healthcare reform.

Obama could have taken to the trail during the final weeks of the campaign based upon this package and had a real mandate that nobody could dispute. The Three Stooges: Obama, Pelosi & Reid obviously are more than a few stones short of a load and let this rare opportunity get by. I promise you the Republicans would have used the crisis to get EVERYTHING they wanted and then some.

Molly Ivins said George Bush was born on 3rd base and thought he hit a triple, but the democrats hit a Home Run in November and are treating it like a ground rule double. She also wrote this in her last months about the 2006 election:

"May I remind you what this election is about? Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, unprecedented presidential powers, unmatched incompetence, unparalleled corruption, unwarranted eavesdropping, Katrina, Enron, Halliburton, global warming, Cheney's secret energy task force, record oil company profits, $3 gasoline, FEMA, the Supreme Court, Diebold, Florida in 2000, Ohio in 2004, Terri Schiavo, stem cell research, golden parachutes, shrunken pensions, unavailable and expensive health care, habeas corpus, no weapons of mass destruction, sacrificed soldiers and Iraqi civilians, wasted billions, Taliban resurgence, expiration of the assault weapons ban, North Korea, Iran, intelligent design, swift boat hit squads, and on and on.

This election is about that, but much more -- it's about honor, dignity and comity in this country. It's about the Constitution, which gives us this great nation. Bush ran on a pledge of "restoring honor and integrity" to the White House. Instead, he brought us Tom DeLay, Roy Blunt, Katherine Harris, John Doolittle, Jerry Lewis, Richard Pombo, Mark Foley, Dennis Hastert, David Safavian, Jack Abramoff, Ralph Reed, Karl Rove and an illegal and immoral war in Iraq. People, it's up to you.
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Molly Ivins

Someone needs to remind our leaders why we sent them to Washington...

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» RE: This is their real agenda. Posted by: oregoncharles
» Yup. Posted by: freelyb
» RE: I'm a Green Party activist, Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: And thanks, Posted by: oregoncharles
ABOUT REAGAN
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 30, 2009 8:57 AM   
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The idea of small government in a country this size is preposterous. What Reagan did was to shrink government that had a responsibility to the people, mostly because we own it and pay for it. Big government is just fine, if it functions in the best interest of the people. That doens't mean giveaways. There's more to prosperity than the most frighteneing military in the world. There's education, medical care, respecting our rights, etc. Looking after the people of New Orleans after Hurrican Katrina. Sorry, that is the job of government. What Reagan did was to free up the Government to pursue its own agenda which didn't include all of us. We are still paying the price. It only makes sense that people change direction when they see themelves going the wrong way. As for the Conservatives, they are converting in vast numbers. They can no longer afford themselves and their 'holier than thou' attitude. They are no longer insulated from reality. They too, are losing their jobs. The real world is upon them and their 'values' mean nothing, they never did. Bad times are usually an equalizer. The balance is best maintained when most of the weight is in the center. And we do need leadership along with a voice in the way we are governed. Thanks, ANNA

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This is irrelevant since the US not a Republic anymore...
Posted by: RegK on May 30, 2009 9:12 AM   
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...and what the people may want doesn't matter. The military-industrial-corporate complex is the government now, and if the people are progressive, so what? To paraphrase Brecht, the government must be very disappointed in its people.

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» Indeed Posted by: freelyb
Left vs right
Posted by: drhibbart on May 30, 2009 10:01 AM   
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You are a fool if you still buy into the whole left vs right paradigm. If you look at the actions of our elected officials rather than base our judgement of them on their rhetoric and capmapign promises, you'll see that the Republicans and Democrats may talk a mean game against each other, but when it comes down to it, they might as well be the same party. They both represent the same elitist/corporate interests over the well being of the entire nation. Both parties are just as responsible for the mess we face as a nation, and neither of them seem to have a clue as to what to do other than throw trillions of our taxpayer money at the banks and hope for the best. Everyone talked about how obama was gonna shift wealth from the top to the bottom and were afraid he was a socialist, but i see him shifting wealth from the bottom to the top just as bush and clinton and bush sr. and reagan did before him. It's called fascism. The merger of political and corporate power, and if you haven't seen the merger, you haven't been paying attention. We live in a fascist nation. Once you can swallow that pill, everything else makes a lot more sense. The president may change every 4 or 8 years, but somehow the fascist policies always remain. Its almost as if the presidents were simply puppets...

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» True, but Posted by: freelyb
» RE: Republicans remain out of power, Posted by: oregoncharles
Hey, we've ALWAYS been liberals and progressives at heart
Posted by: willymack on May 30, 2009 12:52 PM   
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We all want decent-paying jobs
We all want good health care
We all want a safe workplace
We all want good schools for our children
We all want peace, and not endless, phony wars
We all want to hope that we can "get ahead"
We all want to retire in comfort and dignity
What's different today is:
We're less educated than we used to be
We're less involved in each others' lives
We're more insular and divided along political lines
We're more indifferent to world affairs
We're financially far worse off than before,due to corporate greed and crooked politics
We're far more crowded, polluted, and ripe for a self-inflicted disaster than EVER.

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rgd
Posted by: rgd on May 30, 2009 3:58 PM   
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Quit with the stupid labels Josh. Politicians and bankers can move across the spectrum with ease knowing the the majority of the public have enough integrity to stand on their principles while they (the ruling elite?) do not suffer from the ravages of integrity or compassion. Soon we the people will be left to fend for ourselves. The only labels in existence then will be US against THEM.

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The zoo being run from the monkey cage . . .
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on May 30, 2009 5:03 PM   
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"Democracy never last long - it soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never wa a democracy that wasn't a suicide." John Adams.

We have shoddy everything - government, jurisprudence,infrastructure, materials, food, entertainment, national infrastructure - name it - because the public ignorantly wants it. Soon, fine food, fine music, fine anything will no longer be available, because only ersatz and third-rate trash and garbage the ignorant want sells.

I saw it all coming the first time I was told that the pitifully amateurish cacophany coming from the stereo being played by a friends kids was "Beatle Music" and those inflicting it upon me were making millions because children with child-like sophistication about music had money and were buying it.

We're in a race to the intellectual, artistic, scientific bottom. Anything new, no matter how useless and pointless; anything sensational, no matter how vapid, or criminal, and more.

The monkey cage is running the menagerie that is running the U.S.

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goodpoint
Posted by: dealmeinfo2 on May 30, 2009 5:03 PM   
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oversampled republicans by 11 percentage points. They are only 21% of the population but 32 percent of this poll. Think the sample needs to be bigger


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Progressive ideas are common-sense ideas honoring "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" for ALL
Posted by: judette on May 30, 2009 5:39 PM   
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This is a super-diversified country consisting of people of many colors, religions, traditions, etc. It is common sense to honor the wishes of the MAJORITY in the endeavor to keep their families SAFE from harm, disease, ignorance, etc. As this country has been run by bigots for such a long time now, they are finding it hard to accept the idea that ALL people ARE created EQUAL and should have EQUAL RIGHTS. So, if common sense and caring about one's fellow man has finally out-weighed prejudice, that is truly a progressive milestone.

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If that's true
Posted by: Jeanne on May 30, 2009 7:22 PM   
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then, why are our representatives in Congress falling all over themselves to serve big business, big banking, and big insurance? Maybe people have more progressive leaning opinions, but they do not make them sufficiently felt at the polls or to their congresspeople. Or, the money and perks offered up by big business, big banking, and big insurance simply trumps what's best for the people.

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Vision + Plan + Spirit = Change (not this or that person)
Posted by: booboo on May 30, 2009 10:18 PM   
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"The vision?"

"Peace on earth and goodwill to all living beings."

"The plan?"

"Mass uprisings."

"Leadership?"

"Each and everyone."

"The spirit?"

"Yes we can."

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Kill your television before it kills us all.
Posted by: monkeywrench on May 31, 2009 6:31 AM   
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"The persistence of the center-right narrative, even in the face of piles of evidence suggesting it's little more than a myth ..."

There is a word to describe this: propaganda.

And it's not that the media simply "swallows it whole"; the media helps to CREATE this narrative. The five-or-so companies that now own virtually all of the mainstream media outlets are themselves owned and/or controlled by either members of the moneyed elite or by corporations that have defense contracts with the government – that ever-lovin' Military-Industrial Complex President Eisenhower warned us about.

We are being manipulated just as surely as if we had lived in the old Soviet Union, with Pravda and Isvestia as our only news sources. The only difference today is that the propaganda is more subtle and disguised (and pervasive), thanks to the influence of advertising, and that we as a people are not as sophisticated as russian citizens were at knowing when we are being lied to. We gobble up this stuff just like teenagers and twentysomethings gobble up the silliness and fakery of "reality" television shows. Our daily life, as seen through the mainstream media, has become one big reality show –– and just as fake.

We just cannot seem to get our minds around the idea that big corporations will lie to us and/or do anything else that improves their bottom lines, no matter how illegal or immoral – and we also seem incapable of rejecting lies by political pundits on the public airwaves that are so ridiculous an eight-year-old couldn't get them past his mommy! I am absolutely appalled at what these nitwits, like Hannity and Limbaugh, et al., and their "experts" try to pass off, yet, they get away with it, over and over again. Have so many of us really become that stooopid?

This is the result of a dumbed-down America, which has become so not only because of an educational breakdown, but also because of a deliberate effort on the part of corporations to turn us into advertising-addled morons that began with the invention of television and which now intrudes into every waking second of modern life. If current trends are any indication, that mission has been accomplished. This does not bode well for the continuance of a democracy, which depends, the Founding Fathers told us, on an educated and informed population – not a population that thinks it knows more because it is exposed to more stuff, more "information," no matter how trite, but a population that understands in depth. This is what we are losing, just as certainly as our nation is losing its place in the world. Actually, these are two sides of the same, tarnished, coin.

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The Pendulum Has Swung
Posted by: Tom Degan on May 31, 2009 6:53 AM   
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Does this surprise anyone? The American people have awaken from their decades-long Right Wing slumber to find themselves teetering at the edge of the economic precipice.

Did you have a nice nap, kiddies?

"Judge Sonia Has Her day

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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Too bad our government is...
Posted by: SHRED on May 31, 2009 8:10 AM   
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...corporate rightwing.

Where's your "bailout"?
Hummm...??

Check this out:
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/21576

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Progressive Party
Posted by: Southern Gal on May 31, 2009 8:54 AM   
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It's time for a Progressive Party to represent the majority of us. It is clear that the Democrats and the Republicans are financial elite,corporate, military industrial complex parties. It's not enough that there are a few progressives such as Bernie Sanders, Russ Feingold and Dennis Kucinich who function within Independent and Democrat parties. We need our own party. This last election is ample proof that campaign promises mean little when rubbed against the power elite who run the parties, the government and the whole system.

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» I'm not so sure Posted by: james108
» RE: Reinventing the Wheel Posted by: oregoncharles
I agree with most on these issues
Posted by: james108 on May 31, 2009 9:33 AM   
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That was a big point of some of the independent presidential runs, and the current Congress push. To pretend that two elite, imperialistic parties, regardless of color, embody the dialog and debate we deserve is a huge problem requiring intense rationalization, no matter how intellectual you try to make it.
Most people do want an end to the wars, real civil rights and privacy back, universal human rights for those not proven to have done anything wrong, an end to the costly war on drugs and some examination of us having the highest incarcerations per capita.
Neither fake option of the "two party system" provides this though, and probably never will and never did. They may change the way they do it to capture the majority that seems to concede to them, sure. Out of sight, out of mind. They will not stop the imperialist push to control other countries for their own benefit though, including murders, assassinations, mercenaries, political suppression and spin control though. They're monsters the American people have allowed and unleashed, and it should be our responsibility to deal with it.

Many "conservatives" are really lashing out against the fascist, wasteful policies of the Democrats, where waste is really pork to line their backers parties. Republicans do this too. Republicans are no more delusional than Democrats in backing people and parties entirely against their real interests though. Add the two together, and the majority ends up backing people against their interest because the deck's rigged.
That's what bugs me more than anything about Obama and the democrats. They use the rhetoric of the things I hold dear, like concern for fellow man, and twist it into a perverted version of fascism, and take even more money from the common people to distribute to their billionaire backers. Instead of ending the charade of military tribunals, they just change a few of the details and call it true justice.
"No more torture" while hiring unaccountable mercenaries. "No more lobbyists" while putting these people directly in charge of things.
They use the rhetoric of protecting people and peace to support apartheid and violations in Gaza for example.
Republicans do this too, but people are so far to the left of either the Democratic or Republican parties, it's mostly the illusion of the democrats that's holding us back from real social justice.
They make us feel better about being a racist, fascist, violent nation by doing a few good things while spreading the bad parts even worse. Let's focus on a million dollars for clean coal and some turbines, while we destroy the environment, remove protection for our other areas even more and increase spying on people and pump up the military budget...
The people want better for sure, but they're never going to get it settling for and being enamored by chump change. As long as you empower the democratic party, there will be those scared so silly because they see it for what it is, that they think they need to support the republicans or something worse as the lesser of two evils. You can't support evil and blind yourself to it and be content with it, because there will be those that fight it with their own, and on and on, round and round we go...

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wishful thinking
Posted by: troy on May 31, 2009 11:52 AM   
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It seems to me Mr Holland is engaging in wishful thinking. It is truely amazing that Liberalism is tracking so poorly (21%) after all the crimes and mishandling of the economy perpetrated by so-called Conservative ideology.
The media is still run by the elites who benefit from the Conservative propaganda, therefore most Americans are effectively propagandized and will fall under carefully cultivated "conventional wisdom". Mr Obama is President because he is a wet dream for elite profiteers. The Democratic Party is far to the right of the Republican Party during Nixon's Administration. These polls show that the American people identify with catch-phrases which have little meaning any more (what is Liberal about corporate welfare?). Of, coaurse we have seen wishful thinking from Mr Holland before whether its dismissing "conspiracy theories" or seeing the empty glass and imaging it is full of water.

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» RE: Labels Posted by: oregoncharles
TROY DAVIS & MUMIA ABU - JAMAL 2 GREAT EXAMPLES OF FUTURE C*H*A*N*G*E ... IN AMERICA ???
Posted by: DOUGLASFIELD on May 31, 2009 12:48 PM   
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THESE TWO HIGH PROFILE LEGAL CASES IN GEORGIA AND PENNSYLVANIA SHOULD ENLIGHTEN US ALL TO THE DIFFICULTIES OUR CURRENT U.S JUDICIAL SYSTEM HAS IN KNOWING BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT THEY HAVE THE REAL CRIMINAL WAITING ON DEATH ROW TO BE EXECUTED!

THESE TWO HIGH PROFILE LEGAL CASES IN GEORGIA AND PENNSYLVANIA SHOULD ENLIGHTEN US ALL TO THE DIFFICULTIES OUR CURRENT U.S JUDICIAL SYSTEM HAS IN KNOWING BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT THEY HAVE THE REAL CRIMINAL WAITING ON DEATH ROW TO BE EXECUTED!

WHEN ONE LOOKS AT THE CURRENT CRIMINAL FEDERAL APPEAL DEFENSE BEING OFFERED THESE TWO POORER DEATH ROW INMATES,WE ALL NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE AWARE THAT HAVING REAL LEGAL REPRESENTATION FOR ONES FEDERAL APPEALS IS ONLY A VERY SMALL PORTION OF WHAT IS NEEDED IN ONES SEARCH FOR JUSTICE HERE! THESE TWO POSSIBLE INNOCENT AMERICAN CITIZENS NEVER HAD PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION IN THEIR FIRST TRIALS AND LETS NOT FORGET REAL REALITY HERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AMERICA HAS NEVER OFFERED POORER AMERICANS A LEGITIMATE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE ONES NON GUILT IN OUR U.S.JUDICIAL SYSTEM.IT TAKES REAL $$$ TO MAKE SURE OUR INNOCENT CITIZENS ARE PROTECTED,AND SADLY OUR U.S CONGRESS HAS NEVER THOUGHT MIDDLE CLASS AND WORKING POOR AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE WORTH THE OUTLAY OF FUNDING ??

FOR DECADES OUR IVORY TOWER U .S. CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD HAVE ONLY LOOKED THE OTHER WAY IN EVEN THINKING ABOUT OFFERING THE LITTLE PEOPLE IN AMERICA JUSTICE IN OUR COURT ROOMS! NO, MONEY TALK$ IN OUR AMERICAN JUDICIAL $YSTEM, AND WE THE LITTLE PEOPLE IN AMERICA ARE BEING FALSELY INCARCERATED AND EXECUTED ALL ACROSS THIS THE WEALTHIEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD .............

WHEN LEGAL MINDS DO NOT HAVE THE PROPER INVESTIGATIVE MINDS WORKING IN CONJUCTION WITH THEM IN ANY OF THESE DEATH ROW LEGAL CASES,WE THE PUBLIC CAN NEVER REALLY KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE BEING EXECUTED IN THIS COUNTRY ARE THE REAL BAD GUYS !!!

LAWYERS FOR POOR AMERICANS HAS ALWAYS FELT THAT A FEDERAL TASK FORCE MADE UP OF TOP FLIGHT LAWYERS AND INVESTIGATORS IS NEEDED TO ASSURE US ALL THAT REAL JUSTICE IS BEING CARRIED OUT IN THESE EXECUTIONS NATIONWIDE.

SINCE ALL OF US ARE ALL VERY WELL AWARE OF HOW MANY AMERICANS LIE IN THEIR EVERYDAY PERSONAL AND BUSINESS AFFAIRS,YOU WOULD THINK WE WOULD ALL BE ALOT BRIGHTER IN KNOWING THAT HONEST TESTIMONY IS ALSO NOT HAPPENING IN OUR COURT ROOMS ACROSS OUR COUNTRY AS WELL? YES IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF EVERYONE WERE HONEST IN AMERICA,NOT JUST THE CRIMINALS BEING TRIED,CONVICTED AND THEN EXECUTED BY OTHER LIARS,CHEATS AND THIEFS IN COURTS ALL ACROSS AMERICA. ... THERE BY THE GRACE OF GOD GO I ???

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Ralph Nader was first to understand this
Posted by: amacd on May 31, 2009 3:42 PM   
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As early as his 2000 campaign, Ralph Nader was strongly saying that "the vast majority of Americans believe in the issues and positions of my campaign and the Green Party".

Ralph was the first to detect, by talking with average Americans, that his positions were the "majoritarian positions" on most issues.

I'll bet today, that if the pollsters had the guts to ask it, that a majority of Americans would be in agreement with Nader's 2008 campaign position that America is now ruled by a ruling-elite 'political-economic Empire' not unlike the British Empire that oppressed our political, economic, and social spheres of life in 1775 --- and that the British Empire's royal governors and British Empire's royally chartered East India Corporation were very similar to our current corporate overlords and their two-party 'Vichy' politicians and media.

Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine

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as Cheney would say, "So?"
Posted by: Jack Canuck on May 31, 2009 4:23 PM   
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Before reading anyone else's comments on this, I'd like to give you my take on this story.
I remember during the Democratic primary, when there were 8 or 9 condenders for the nomination, one website, it might even have been Alternet, posted a survey on 19 different issues, with opinions ranging on a scale of 0-4 in order to measure the rank of importance those who took the survey gave to the issues. Those opinions were matched with those expressed by the candidates. It turned out that my opinions matched up best with Mike Gravell, and then Dennis Kucinich. It also turned out that Kucinich and Gravell also finished first and second among those that took the survey by a wide majority, yet both were deemed to "fringe candidates" by the media, and thus became fringe candidates.
Popular opinion does not mean much in the US, except perhaps when it comes to questions such as gay marriage.

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Hey honey, follow the money
Posted by: midwing on May 31, 2009 5:25 PM   
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Gosh- lots of great comments and i agree with what most of you are saying.
But the bottom line is: the candidate with the most money wins. Where did Obama get all of his money?
You got it.... from the corporations!
Now he owes them, and is obviously paying up, despite having to renige on so many of his campaign promises.

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» Granted Posted by: james108
Too bad the right has a powerful ally
Posted by: helmunator on May 31, 2009 8:38 PM   
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Barack Obama: Progressive-Not

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Ooops ...
Posted by: halg on May 31, 2009 11:02 PM   
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Dang. And I proofread all that!

I meant Gordon Brown, not Tony Brown.

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I don't agree; U.S. is still socially backward
Posted by: Comrade Laissez-Faire on Jun 6, 2009 10:52 AM   
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The U.S. still leads the world overall in medical, scientific, technological, and motion picture innovation, but it's still way behind most of Europe and Canada when it comes to social tolerance and change. If "liberal" California, for instance, was that progressive, the majority of its voters wouldn't have voted against gay marriage. The U.S. has the world's highest drinking age (21 in most states). The U.S. is the only nation in the world not on the metric system. It is the only major country in the western hemisphere where prostitution is still prohibited, save for most counties of Nevada. It has among the most hysterical and abusive "sex offender" laws in the world, and it's so-called "liberal" and "progressive" Democratic politicians are too cowardly to abolish those archaic and puritanical laws and policies out of fear of backlash from social conservatives and out of fear of not getting re-elected.

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Nokia Middle East
Posted by: menokia on Jun 25, 2009 8:35 PM   
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منتديات نوكيا الشرق الاوسط
نوكيا الشرق الاوسط

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احدث اجهزة نوكيا
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برامج نوكيا الجيل الثالث
برامج الجوال العربية

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العاب جوال
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العاب الانجيج الجيل الثالث
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ثيمات الجوال
ثيمات نوكيا الجيل الثالث
ثيمات نوكيا الجيل الخامس
مسجات
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اي فون
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برامج كمبيوتر
برامج الحماية و الصيانة
برامج المالتيميديا, برامج الصوتيات, برامج الفيديو
شرح استخدام البرامج
العاب الكترونية, العاب الكمبيوتر, العاب بلاي ستيشن
افلام سينما
تحميل افلام عربية
تحميل افلام اجنبية
منتدى السيارات
صور
نكات, صرقعه
اعشاب طبية
عالم حواء
الديكور و الأثاث المنزلي - The Design and Decor Section
تحديث سوفت وير نوكيا
خيمة رمضان

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