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The 10 Most Popular Conspiracy Theories

Reptilian humanoids control us? The Government carried out 9/11? Here are the 10 wackiest -- and most durable -- conspiracy theories.
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Agatha Christie once famously said, "The simplest explanation is always the most likely." However, when something shocking or catastrophic happens in our lives, simple explanations just aren't satisfying. We crave deeper reason and meaning and when that isn't given to us, sometimes we create our own. This is how conspiracy theories are often born -- someone doesn't like the official account of a major event and challenges it with a different version. Conspiracy theories can attract a wide array of people, from vehement supporters to those who just like a good story. Whether they're somewhat believable or completely ridiculous, the most popular conspiracy theories got that way for a reason -- they're just plain fascinating.

1. Lee Harvey Oswald didn't act alone (or possibly at all).
Perhaps only 9/11 comes close to matching the multitude of theories and interest surrounding JFK's assassination in 1963. Kennedy was shot while riding in a presidential motorcade with his wife in Dallas. Lee Harvey Oswald was fingered as the gunman in the Texas School Book Depository that day, but he was shot and killed just two days later, which created a great deal of suspicion. Also, witnesses claim they heard shots coming from a grassy knoll near the motorcade, creating the mystery of the second shooter. The CIA, the Mafia, Fidel Castro, and Lyndon Johnson are often listed as the masterminds behind the murder and cover-up.

2. Princess Diana was killed on purpose.
When the People's Princess was killed in a car crash resulting from overzealous paparazzi in Paris, the public demanded answers. It was hard for them to believe that such a compassionate, celebrated figure could die so senselessly, so it didn't take long for theories to surface about why certain people in power would want her dead. Some think she was pregnant and planning to marry her boyfriend, Dodi Al-Fayed (son to the owner of Harrod's and Paris's Ritz Hotel), and planning to become Muslim, which might've worried the British Royal Family, given her influence on the people. Others state that the family wanted her out of the way so that people would support Prince Charles's remarriage. There are also optimists who believe she faked her death to escape the public eye.

3. AIDS is a man-made disease.
Those in the scientific community generally believe HIV originated from a strain of Simian Immunodeficiency Virus found in western African monkeys. But when a group of 500 African Americans were surveyed in a 2005 study published in the Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, over half of them said that AIDS was created by the government. Conspiracy theories about why the government might have created the virus ranged from population control to the weakening of racial minority groups and gay people. Some also say that there's a cure for AIDS being back held by the government for similar reasons.

4. The government was involved in 9/11.
This is currently the most researched conspiracy theory on the Internet. Theories abound about the role of the U.S. government in the events of September 11, 2001, but most state that either the Bush administration had previous knowledge of the attacks and didn't act or that it orchestrated the entire thing. Both versions center on the belief that Bush and company wanted to gain more power quickly and get the support of the people. It's been said that the World Trade Center towers came down as a result of planted explosives, that a plane didn't crash into the Pentagon, and that Flight 93 crashed in Pennsylvania because it was shot down -- a theory that was only fueled when Donald Rumsfeld accidentally said during a 2004 speech that terrorists shot it down.

5. Elvis never really left the building.
Many people believe that Elvis is still alive and kicking. There have been numerous Elvis sightings throughout the years and most people point to his incorrect gravestone -- it says his middle name is "Aaron," but it's spelled "Aron" on his birth certificate -- as the key piece of evidence that his death is a fraud. The reasons for the faked death vary between him wanting to get away from the public to him being put under witness protection by the FBI for being a drug informant -- a rumor started by him meeting with Nixon in 1970 and telling him he wanted to help eradicate drug abuse.

6. The 1969 Apollo moon landing didn't happen.
At this point, the faked moon landing theory has mostly been debunked, but there are still a few ardent followers out there. They cite altered pictures and videos, missing design blueprints, and faulty recordings as evidence of the forgery. One of the most popular reasons given for faking the famous moon walk is that the Kennedy administration wanted to win the "space race" with the Soviet Union and instill public faith in NASA. However, most Americans still believe that Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong walked on the moon that famous day in July.

7. A UFO crashed in Roswell, New Mexico.
When ranch manager Mac Brazel came across crash debris near his property in 1947, he didn't know what to make of it and alerted local authorities. That same day, the Roswell Army Air Field sent out a press release that stated a "flying disc" was found; later, this was retracted and the U.S. military told the public it was a fallen weather balloon. This slip sparked a huge conspiracy theory about the government attempting to cover up evidence of UFOs and alien existence; some even say there were alien bodies found in the crash. Now the story is that the balloon was part of Project Mogul, the government's attempt to pick up on Soviet Union nuclear tests. As a result, Roswell has become a big tourist spot for extraterrestrial enthusiasts.

8. Global warming is a hoax.
Despite Al Gore's influential documentary and the beliefs of most scientists, some people believe global warming isn't actually happening. Sure, the fact that Earth's temperatures are steadily rising are irrefutable, but supporters of this theory believe it's due to technology created by those in charge for a variety of reasons -- keeping the public in a state of panic to maintain control and decreasing world population being two of the main ones. Gore, the United Nations, and Maurice Strong (a man heavily involved in environmental politics) are often named by conspiracy theorists as purveyors of the global warming "myth."

9. Shakespeare didn't write all those plays.
The most famous playwright in the world might not have existed at all. Conspiracy theorists have been debating Shakespeare's life for years, arguing that William Shakespeare was just a pen name used by a group of writers, which might explain why his signature varied throughout his career. Others think that he did exist, but that he was simply a figure for another person to write plays through, such as Christopher Marlowe, Sir Francis Bacon, or Queen Elizabeth I. The main argument against Shakespeare is the fact that he was uneducated, which seems rather elitist. Regardless, this theory still generates a lot of interest, ranking fifth in Google's conspiracy theory searches.

10. Reptilian humanoids control all of us.
This has to be one of the wackiest theories I've encountered so far. It was started by a 1999 book written by David Icke called, The Biggest Secret: The Book That Will Change the World. In it, he explains that most world leaders -- including quite a few U.S. presidents -- are actually shape-shifting reptilian beings from a different planet who start wars and are responsible for horrific events like 9/11 in order to promote fear and hatred, which gives them strength. Oh, and they're seven feet tall. Reptilian humanoids … who knew?

As silly as they can sound, there's something to be said for learning about conspiracy theories. They can offer totally new and unexpected ways of looking at events, even if you don't believe them to be accurate. And if anything, they at least suggest that as crazy and ludicrous as our ideas and beliefs feel at times, there's always someone out there who takes it one step further -- unless you're one of the ones who believe in shape-shifting reptilian overlords … sorry, but you might just take the cake.

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And let the melee begin!
Posted by: Spot on May 28, 2009 12:31 AM   
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as far as 9/11 goes, the real thing i need addressed is the collapse/demolition of WTC7. are we really expected to believe that a fire brought the building down?

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11. Importing the 3rd World's Trash benefits the US.
Posted by: Honky the Nihilist VI on May 28, 2009 12:43 AM   
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Think of all the "diversity" we're exposed to.

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How did the alleged 9/11 "hijackers" get into the U.S.?
Posted by: LeftWright on May 28, 2009 1:11 AM   
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"I used to be in charge of the visa section at the CIA's Consulate in Jeddah. ... There for a year and a half I issued visas to terrorists recruited by the CIA and its asset Osama Bin Laden. ... Fifteen of the nineteen people who allegedly flew airplanes into buildings in the United States got their visas from the same CIA Consulate at Jeddah."

"In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained bitterly at the time there. I returned to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and to the Inspector General's office. I was met with silence. ...

What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring recruits, rounded up by Osama Bin Laden, to the US for terrorist training by the CIA. They would then be returned to Afghanistan to fight against the then-Soviets."


J. Michael Springmann – Former career Foreign Service Officer with the State Department and the International Foreign Trade Administration of the Commerce Department. Former Consular Officer in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, where he supervised the issuance of visas. 20-year Federal Government career.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.

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Republicans behind theory #8
Posted by: Moz Volta on May 28, 2009 1:18 AM   
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Also behind "Science is a hoax" theory.

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9/11 - who doubts?
Posted by: gravity32 on May 28, 2009 1:30 AM   
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If anyone still doubts that the towers were brought down by explosive demolition, read this short article.
http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2009/LeggeCDatWTC.pdf

It is a crying disgrace that Alternet does not follow this up, but posts ridicule, as in this case, and outright lies as in previous cases.

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COINTELPRO?
Posted by: Chevaliere on May 28, 2009 1:32 AM   
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Alternet is sounding more mainstream every day. Anybody who doesn't know - along with about 60% of the American people - that JFK was assassinated by a high-level conspiracy, is either ignorant (didn't do your homework) or deliberately lying. Same with 9-11.

In either case, this author has just lost all credibility as an alternative and/or progressive writer.

Thumbs down!

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African-Americans don't think AIDS was created by the government
Posted by: altereddie on May 28, 2009 1:36 AM   
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"But when a group of 500 African Americans were surveyed in a 2005 study published in the Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, over half of them said that AIDS was created by the government."
The study you seem to be referencing is here at the JAIDS website; but your statistics are wrong. See Table 2; 26.6% of respondents agree "AIDS was produced in a government laboratory" and 16.2% agree "AIDS was created by the government to control the black population." 48.2% do say "HIV is a man-made virus," but if that's how the question was phrased, I could see respondents figuring it's man-made in the sense that the virus would not exist without people to spread it from person to person. (Not the definition of man-made, true, but hard to explain the disparity between those who think it was man-made and their answers to other questions otherwise.)

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Disappointingly shallow article. Is this the best AlterNet can offer?
Posted by: mindful on May 28, 2009 1:41 AM   
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Vicki Santillano's folksy little piece belongs amongst the shallow twiz that fills the pages of Divine Caroline. By publishing this, AlterNet quite unambiguously answers those who call for it to champion serious enquiry into the 9/11 matter. Bought and paid for, I'd say!

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AIDS is a man-made disease
Posted by: Mr Nobody on May 28, 2009 1:55 AM   
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The fact that AIDS is man-made is not a conspiracy theory. Watch the documentary The Origin of AIDS. The disease was not designed by the government, but is a tragic by-product of the search for a safe polio vaccine. The documentary quite convincingly follows the clues to reveal that, following a number of deaths from Salk's vaccine, one researcher went against common practice and used chimps' organs and tested the vaccine in the exact same area in Africa where AIDS first appeared.

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A common characteristic...
Posted by: FrEdMaSt on May 28, 2009 2:05 AM   
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...of conspiracists (particularly the 9/11 variety) is a profound need to believe that they're "special". See, they're so smart and clever and insightful that they can perceive the conspiracy, whereas the rest of the "sheeple" -- who foolishly and gullibly accept the "official version" -- cannot. This imagined intellectual superiority makes it effortless for the conspiracist to dismiss as an ignorant, gullible fool anyone who presents any information, no matter how plain and factual, that contradicts his conspiracy of choice -- and thus the conspiracist's bubble is comfortably maintained.

This insular worldview also reveals the dishonesty of the conspiracist's common defense that he's "just asking questions" -- because, to a True Believer, any answer that doesn't conform to what he has already decided is The Truth is simply not to be considered.

- Frank

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Alter-not?
Posted by: kogwonton on May 28, 2009 2:23 AM   
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Doesn't anyone else see a pattern here? Is Alternet just yanking our chain? Is this a marketing ploy to attract visitors to the site and its advertisers? I have yet to see Alternet publish any article or interview that gives a fair hearing, and honors the basic rules of any formal debate, and is truly moderated - filtering out any sort of ad-hominem character assassination. They are using every dishonorable debate tactic there is. Considering the gravity, and future ramifications of the issue, even if the 9/11 truth movement has even a 1% chance of being correct, and that something about the official account and their subsequent behavior stinks to high heaven, this issue should be dealt with grave honesty. An article associating 9/11 and the JFK assassination issue with UFOs and Elvis nuts is exactly the sort of disrespect I would expect from Faux News. Alternet has now firmly secured a place on my shit-list, unless someone can give me a good reason to think they may have more honorable motives for being lying, false-progressive manipulators like those on the far-right. I now think Alternet is not simply ignorant, but willfully deceptive.

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Shakespeare did not write the plays (or sonnets)
Posted by: patmcclung on May 28, 2009 2:25 AM   
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Whatever theory you hold, (I am a Marlovian), the fact remains that whomever wrote the plays attributed to him, it most certainly was not William Shakespeare.

1. He didn't have the time, being very busy as an impresario.
2. He didn't have the education, having only the equivalent of a rather backward secondary school upbringing, and no time (see above) to educate himself to the degree required to develop the largest vocabulary in the English language.

Face it, it's just not possible.

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Was the U.S. government warned about 9/11 beforehand?
Posted by: LeftWright on May 28, 2009 2:33 AM   
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“I saw papers that show the U.S. knew al-Qaeda would attack cities with airplanes… I gave [the 9-ll Commission] details of specific investigation files, the specific dates, specific target information, specific managers in charge of the investigation. This is not hearsay. These are things that are documented.”

MRS. SIBEL EDMONDS (whistleblower and former top-level FBI translator who gave closed session testimony to the 9-11 RE: Still more evidence that 9/11 was not an inside jobCommission. The Bush/Cheney administration silenced Edmonds with a court gag order citing the rarely used “state secrets privilege”. Interview UK Independent 4/2/04)

"And, of course, the two questions that the Congress would not ask, because the Republicans won't allow it, is, why did 9/11 happen on George Bush's watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen? And secondly, when they had Osama bin Laden cornered, why didn't they get him? Had there been an independent congress, one that could ask questions, these questions would have been asked years ago."

Senator Patrick Leahy, JD – U.S. Senator from Vermont 1974 - present. Chairman, Judiciary Committee. Former Chairman, Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry.

"Russian President Vladimir Putin has said publicly that he ordered his intelligence agencies to alert the United States last summer [2001] that suicide pilots were training for attacks on U.S. targets."

Fox News Article 5/17/02

Pre-9/11 warnings were presented to the U.S. by Italy (March), Germany (June), Cayman Islands (June), India (July), Argentina (July), Afghanistan (late-July), Russia (Summer), Jordan (late-Summer), UK (July and August), Israel (mid-August), Morocco (August), France (late-August), Egypt (July and early-September), several of which specifically warned of suicide airplane attacks.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.

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missed the boat
Posted by: remo on May 28, 2009 2:46 AM   
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jeez.This one takes the cake.you missed the conspiracy theory about the 19 hi-jackers Bin Laden and the office furnishings fire.

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Could the U.S. government have prevented 9/11?
Posted by: LeftWright on May 28, 2009 2:46 AM   
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"The fact is that key FBIHQ personnel whose job it was to assist and coordinate with field division agents on terrorism investigations and the obtaining and use of FISA searches (and who theoretically were privy to many more sources of intelligence information than field division agents), continued to, almost inexplicably, throw up roadblocks and undermine Minneapolis' by-now desperate efforts to obtain a FISA search warrant, long after the French intelligence service provided its information and probable cause became clear. HQ personnel brought up almost ridiculous questions in their apparent efforts to undermine the probable cause. ...

When, in a desperate 11th hour measure to bypass the FBIHQ roadblock, the Minneapolis Division undertook to directly notify the CIA's Counter Terrorist Center (CTC), FBIHQ personnel actually chastised the Minneapolis agents for making the direct notification without their approval ...

I know I shouldn't be flippant about this, but jokes were actually made that the key FBIHQ personnel had to be spies or moles, like Robert Hansen, who were actually working for Osama Bin Laden to have so undercut Minneapolis' effort."
"And what I did was, I think, I put the first good dent in the blanket defense that for 8 and a half, 9 months, was holding - that 9/11 could not have been prevented.

... we were all settling for, ‘9/11 could not have been prevented’, it was ‘hindsight’. Condi Rice, "Well, no one could have ever imagined that someone would fly…" and of course, when she says that, she’s disregarding a whole bunch of things. People are letting her get away with it. She’s disregarding the fact of two or three prior incidents of people trying to fly planes into buildings, attempted takeovers of cockpits…We’re also ignoring the fact that in Minneapolis [FBI office], the acting supervisor, arguing with [FBI] headquarters said, ‘This is a guy [Zacarias Moussaoui] that could fly a plane into the World Trade Center’ on August 22nd!"


Coleen Rowley – Former Special Agent and Minneapolis Division Counsel, FBI. 24-year FBI career. Agent Rowley was selected one of Time Magazine's three 2002 Persons of the Year for revealing FBI headquarters' efforts to "throw up roadblocks and undermine" FBI field investigations of Al Qaeda operatives in the four weeks prior to 9/11.

"Even the most junior investigator would immediately know that the name and photo ID of Atta in 2000 is precisely the kind of tactical intelligence the FBI has many times employed to prevent attacks and arrest terrorists. Yet the 9/11 Commission inexplicably concluded that it "was not historically significant." This astounding conclusion--in combination with the failure to investigate Able Danger and incorporate it into its findings--raises serious challenges to the commission's credibility and, if the facts prove out, might just render the commission historically insignificant itself. … No wonder the 9/11 families were outraged by these revelations and called for a "new" commission to investigate."

Louis Freeh – Director of the FBI, 1993 - 2001.  Former U.S. District Court Judge for the Southern District of New York, appointed by President George H.W. Bush.  Former Deputy United States Attorney in New York. Former FBI agent. Former officer in the United States Army JAG Corps Reserve.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.

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Good try, Alternet, but your readers don't buy your bull about 9/11.
Posted by: pfgetty on May 28, 2009 2:50 AM   
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Alternet, you are desperately trying to stop the truth about 9/11 from coming out, so you link it all to some crazy stuff.
We got your number.
LeftWright and others will eat your lunch.

But the trouble is, you've got the writers and the headlines and you can put a cover on the truth of 9/11.

The big question is why would you be doing this?
Are you linked with a group that is connected to those who brought us 9/11, or would be hurt by the truth coming out?
Big international corporate and financial interests have profitted well from 9/11.
But also, Israel has benefitted from 9/11, as Olmert says.
Are you under pressure or part of the Israel lobby? Almost all roads in finding out truth about 9/11 lead to the Mossad, and any that do were quickly covered up and never investigated. Is that it? Are you and most of the press being controlled by those who have to defend Israel? Is it the same as when the attack on the USS Liberty was covered up, the American people purposely kept from realizing the truth........that Israel killed those US Navy people and tried to sink the ship? It took years for the truth to come out, and by that time nobody cared. Is that what you want to happen, Alternet?

What IS it?
The facts and evidence are there to support what the truthers are saying. You are lying, and you are doing it for some very important reason........protecting somebody.

What would you call keeping vital information from the American people, and allowing two illegal wars and occupations and all of the slaughter associated with that?
Our country is suffering from the consequences of 9/11, and you are covering up the real story. What would you call that?

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Could the U.S. government have prevented 9/11? (part 2 - Able Danger)
Posted by: LeftWright on May 28, 2009 2:54 AM   
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"... basic law enforcement investigative techniques, with 21st Century data mining and analytical tools ... resulted in the establishment of a new form of intelligence collection – and the identification of Mohammed Atta and several other of the 9-11 terrorists as having links to Al Qaeda leadership a full year in advance of the attacks. ...

After contact by two separate members of the ABLE DANGER team, … the 9-11 [Commission] staff refused to perform any in-depth review or investigation of the issues that were identified to them. … It was their job to do a thorough investigation of these claims – to not simply dismiss them based on what many now believe was a "preconceived" conclusion to the 9-11 story they wished to tell. … I consider this a failure of the 9-11 staff – a failure that the 9-11 Commissioners themselves were victimized by – and continue to have perpetrated on them by the staff as is evidenced by their recent, groundless conclusion that ABLE DANGER’s findings were "urban legend".

* * * * * * * *

"Why did this operation, which was created in '99 to target Al Qaeda globally, offensively, why was that turned off in the Spring of 2001, four months before we were attacked? I can't answer that, either. I can tell you I was ordered out of the operation directly by a two-star general. But I don't know what the bigger picture was of why you'd want to stop an operation going after the very target who attacked us, in advance, why you'd want to turn it off."


Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, U.S. Army Reserve – Commander of Special Troops Battalion, 9th Theater Support Command. Former Chief of the Army’s Controlled HUMINT (Human Intelligence) Program, overseeing Army Intelligence and Security Command’s global controlled HUMINT efforts. A former member of the Able Danger data mining program that targeted Al Qaeda’s global structure. Awarded the Bronze Star for bravery. Fellow, Center for Advanced Defense Studies. 23-year military intelligence career.

"I will not discuss this outside of my chain of command. I have briefed the Department of the Army, the Special Operations Command and the office of (Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence) Dr. Cambone as well as the 9/11 Commission. My story has remained consistent. Atta was identified by Able Danger in January/February 2000."

Capt. Scott J. Phillpott, U.S. Navy – Former head of the Able Danger data mining program that targeted Al Qaeda’s global structure. Former Commanding Officer of the guided-missile cruiser USS Leyte Gulf. Former Commanding Officer of the frigate USS Estocin. Former Commanding Officer of the coastal patrol ship USS Typhoon. U.S. Naval Academy graduate. Awards include the Legion of Merit, Defense Meritorious Service Medal, three Meritorious Service Medals, the Joint Service Commendation Medal, two Navy Commendation Medals, and the Navy Achievement Medal. 23 years of Navy service.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.

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The internet and conspiracy theories
Posted by: Perry Logan on May 28, 2009 2:57 AM   
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The internet seems to have had a dual effect on conspiracy theorists.

On the one hand, it has helped them join together and get the word out on their ideas. Until somene screws up the internet, the days of corporate suppression are over. You can get filled on every one of the ten theories--and many more--with a few judicious Google searches.

Especially fascinating are the infinite variations on the basic theories. It turns out every conspiracy theorist creates his/her own version of the theory. There are as many versions of the 9/11 "inside job" theory as there are conspiracy theorists.

Though several comments accuse AlterNet of joining in the suppression of conspiracy theories, the presence of the comments belies this. Everyone knows about the Truth movement. It's hard to go anywhere on the net without hearing from the Truthers.

And yet, despite their new visibility, these conspiracy theories are negligible as ever. The conspiracy folks are known to everyone now. But they're still not taking over the world. It's a safe bet the Truthers are not going to get their reinvestigation of 9/11. :(

That's because the net is also a great place for debunking. A quick search reveals that every claim made by the 9/11 "Truth" Movement has been repeatedly and throughly debunked. 911myths alone will cure most normal readers.

The Truthers respond to this difficulty simply by ignoring the debunkings. But it's all on the web--so there goes your movement.

More importantly, the same fate has met the political Right. Conspiracy people don't do much damage, but Republicans have well-nigh destroyed the country. Now, thanks to the web, right-wing memes get shot down, usually within minutes. The internet has been devastating to wignuts, which is good news for western civilization.


PS: Perry da Banksta explains wy there are more Democrats than ever.

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objection: this article conflates theories that should be seriously debated with theories which
Posted by: Suzon on May 28, 2009 2:58 AM   
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don't much matter.

Yes, I'd be curious to know what a live Elvis would look like today, but find it offensive that the author mixes up such a stew of ideas.

Let's try to examine things one by one, please. Even Icke's theory of the blue-eyed lizards from another planet ruling over us can have an interesting explanation.

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More pre-9/11 warnings (Genoa G-8 summit, July 20-22)
Posted by: LeftWright on May 28, 2009 3:03 AM   
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Mid-July 2001: More G-8 Summit Warnings Describe Plane as Flying Bomb

US intelligence reports another spike in warnings related to the July 20-22 G-8 summit in Genoa, Italy. The reports include specific threats discovered by the head of Russia’s Federal Bodyguard Service that al-Qaeda will try to kill Bush as he attends the summit. [CNN, 3/2002] Two days before the summit begins, the BBC reports: “The huge force of officers and equipment which has been assembled to deal with unrest has been spurred on by a warning that supporters of Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden might attempt an air attack on some of the world leaders present.” [BBC, 7/18/2001] The attack is called off.

July 20-22, 2001: During G-8 Summit, Italian Military Prepare Against Attack from the Sky

The G8 summit is held in Genoa, Italy. Acting on previous warnings that al-Qaeda would attempt to kill President Bush and other leaders, Italian authorities surround the summit with antiaircraft guns. They keep fighters in the air and close off local airspace to all planes. [Los Angeles Times, 9/27/2001] The warnings are taken so seriously that Bush stays overnight on an aircraft carrier offshore, and other world leaders stay on a luxury ship. [CNN, 7/18/2001] No attack occurs. US officials at the time state that the warnings were “unsubstantiated” but after 9/11, they will claim success in preventing an attack. [Los Angeles Times, 9/27/2001]

http://www.historycommons.org

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.

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Ms.Santillano
Posted by: weathered on May 28, 2009 3:05 AM   
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to co-mingle reptiles w/the murder of over 3000 souls at the WTC is a level of disrespect that shows no bounds.

AlterNet's decision to post your piece is an insult to the Families who were devastated by an event that has effectively been couched as another UFO sighting - this is a core soul sickness.

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More pre-9/11 warnings (FAA)
Posted by: LeftWright on May 28, 2009 3:22 AM   
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FAA’s Daily Intelligence Summaries Mention Bin Laden or Al-Qaeda; No Action is Taken

In 2005 (see February 10, 2005), it will be revealed that of the FAA’s 105 daily intelligence summaries between these dates, 52 mention bin Laden, al-Qaeda, or both. Most of the mentions are “in regard to overseas threats.” None of the warnings specifically predict something similar to the 9/11 attacks, but five of them mention al-Qaeda’s training for hijackings and two reports concern suicide operations unconnected to aviation. [Associated Press, 2/11/2005] One of the warnings mentions air defense measures being taken in Genoa, Italy, for the July 2001 G-8 summit to protect from a possible air attack by terrorists (see July 20-22, 2001). However, the New Jersey Star-Ledger is virtually the only newspaper in the US to report this fact. [New Jersey Star-Ledger, 2/11/2005] Despite all these warnings, the FAA fails to take any extra security measures. They do not expand the use of in-flight air marshals or tighten airport screening for weapons. A proposed rule to improve passenger screening and other security measures ordered by Congress in 1996 has held up and is still not in effect by 9/11. The 9/11 Commission’s report on these FAA warnings released in 2005 (see February 10, 2005) will conclude that FAA officials were more concerned with reducing airline congestion, lessening delays, and easing air carriers’ financial problems than preventing a hijacking. [Associated Press, 2/11/2005] The FAA also makes no effort to expand its list of terror suspects, which includes only a dozen names by 9/11 (see April 24, 2000). The former head of the FAA’s civil aviation security branch later says he wasn’t even aware of TIPOFF, the government’s main watch list, which included the names of two 9/11 hijackers before 9/11. Nor is there any evidence that a senior FAA working group responsible for security ever meets in 2001 to discuss “the high threat period that summer.” [New York Times, 2/10/2005]

http://www.historycommons.org

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.

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Methinks AlterNet Protests Too Much
Posted by: Centavo on May 28, 2009 3:45 AM   
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These articles are coming with a surprising degree of regularity of late.

Our tax dollars hard at work forever muddying the waters.

Cowards all.

LINK

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More pre-9/11 warnings and foreknowlege
Posted by: LeftWright on May 28, 2009 3:46 AM   
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July 26, 2001: Ashcroft Stops Flying Commercial Airlines; Refuses to Explain Why

CBS News reports that Attorney General Ashcroft has stopped flying commercial airlines due to a threat assessment, but “neither the FBI nor the Justice Department… would identify [to CBS] what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.” [CBS News, 7/26/2001] One newspaper reports, “Ashcroft demonstrated an amazing lack of curiosity when asked if he knew anything about the threat. ‘Frankly, I don’t,’ he told reporters.” [San Francisco Chronicle, 6/3/2002] It is later reported that he stopped flying in July based on threat assessments made on May 8 and June 19. In May 2002, it is claimed the threat assessment had nothing to do with al-Qaeda, but Ashcroft walked out of his office rather than answer questions about it. [Associated Press, 5/16/2002] The San Francisco Chronicle will later conclude, “The FBI obviously knew something was in the wind.… The FBI did advise Ashcroft to stay off commercial aircraft. The rest of us just had to take our chances.” [San Francisco Chronicle, 6/3/2002] CBS’s Dan Rather will later ask of this warning: “Why wasn’t it shared with the public at large?” [Washington Post, 5/27/2002] On July 5, the CIA had warned Ashcroft to expect multiple, imminent al-Qaeda attacks overseas (see July 5, 2001) and on July 12 the FBI warned him about the al-Qaeda threat within the US (see July 12, 2001).

(1:00 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Hours Before Attacks, San Francisco Mayor Receives Warning

Eight hours prior to the attacks, San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown receives a warning from “my security people at the airport,” advising him to be cautious in traveling. [San Francisco Chronicle, 9/12/2001] Later reports claim that this is because someone saw the State Department warning of September 7 (see September 7, 2001), which focused on the threat to military personnel in Asia. Brown is scheduled to fly to New York the next morning. [US Department of State, 9/7/2001; San Francisco Chronicle, 9/12/2001; San Francisco Chronicle, 9/14/2001] The source of the warning, and why it was personally issued to Brown, remains unknown.

[Willie Brown will later state that his security people were called by George Shultz's security people]

September 10, 2001: US Generals Warned Not to Fly on Morning of 9/11

According to a Newsweek report on September 13, “[t]he state of alert had been high during the past two weeks, and a particularly urgent warning may have been received the night before the attacks, causing some top Pentagon brass to cancel a trip. Why that same information was not available to the 266 people who died aboard the four hijacked commercial aircraft may become a hot topic on the Hill.” [Newsweek, 9/13/2001] Far from becoming a hot topic, the only additional media mention of this story will be in the next issue of Newsweek: “a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns.”

http://www.historycommons.org

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.

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scottlight
Posted by: SPakalnis on May 28, 2009 3:47 AM   
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I don't know what's worse. I born again christians claim that they are the only ones that will enter into the kingdom of God or Aternet's monopoly on the truth. The both reek of selfish indignation and do us all a great diservice.

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May 2001 - Bush puts Cheney in charge of civilian and military exercises
Posted by: LeftWright on May 28, 2009 4:01 AM   
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Bush creates Office of National Preparedness within FEMA, assigns Cheney to run it.

May 8, 2001: Cheney to Oversee National Effort for Responding to Domestic Attacks, But No Action Is Taken Before 9/11

President Bush entrusts Vice President Cheney to “oversee the development of a coordinated national effort,” to address the threat posed to the United States by chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons. Bush states that he has also asked Joe Allbaugh, the director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to create an Office of National Preparedness. This office is supposed to implement “the results of those parts of the national effort overseen by Vice President Cheney that deal with consequence management,” and it “will work closely with state and local governments to ensure their planning, training, and equipment needs are addressed.” Bush says he “will periodically chair a meeting of the National Security Council to review these efforts.” Cheney informs CNN, “[O]ne of our biggest threats as a nation” could be “domestic terrorism, but it may also be a terrorist organization overseas or even another state using weapons of mass destruction against the US.… [W]e need to look at this whole area, oftentimes referred to as homeland defense.” He makes no mention of either bin Laden or al-Qaeda. [CNN, 5/8/2001; White House, 5/8/2001; New York Times, 7/8/2002] Cheney is meant to head a group that will draft a national terrorism response plan by October 1. [Chicago Sun-Times, 5/5/2001; Insight on the News, 6/18/2001] But, as Barton Gellman later comments in the Washington Post, “Neither Cheney’s review nor Bush’s took place.” [Washington Post, 1/20/2002] Former Senator Gary Hart (D) later implies that the president assigned this specific role to Cheney in order to prevent Congress from enacting counterterrorism legislation proposed by a bipartisan commission he had co-chaired in January (see January 31, 2001). [Salon, 4/2/2004; Salon, 4/6/2004] In July, two senators will send draft counterterrorism legislation to Cheney’s office, but a day before 9/11, they are told it might be another six months before he gets to it (see September 10, 2001). [Newsweek, 5/27/2002] Cheney’s “National Preparedness Review” is just beginning to hire staff a few days before 9/11 (see September 10, 2001). [Congressional Quarterly, 4/15/2004]

http://www.historycommons.org

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.

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Was Eisenhower a 'Tin hat'???
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 28, 2009 4:03 AM   
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Lets' be honest here some Conspiracies have borne out to be true..
"Blood for Oil" Wars
Spying on Americans
"Truth Speak" Propagnada through media and military "Ministries of Truth"
Hell even some of the Tabloid Rags have been vindicated- Edwards Affair.
All though I don't buy all the theories, I find those who dismiss them offhand to be far more ignorant than those expounding them. Far more an exercise in logic and deductive reasoning to evaluate conflicting information or data than to ignore it or laugh at it with out even consideration.
Looking Back over the last 50 years, and esp the last 8 can you really deny the former Presidents forewarning about the Military Industrial Complex was not justied? What the Hell do you think was hit on 9/11- the Pentagon (Military), the WTC ($$$) and #93 was headed to the Seat of Political power, where 2 oil men had seized power.
AQ was never after US, or out to destroy our Freedoms- they were after the MIC who had been screwing around with the Oil royals for Decades screwing over the people of the M.E.Those innocent live lost were a result of the actions taken by the MIC for the last few Decades. Those arrogant SOB's ignored the first WTC bombing and left those people as human sheilds. How many highjackings and suicide bombings does it take until you figure out they can use the two in combination- that wasn't ignorance, that was Reckless endangerment created by arrogance -At Best. At Worst- Complicity and Culpability.
If Alternet doesn't want to Delve into the 'Detonation' theory- fine. But it is dishonest and insulting that they have refused to discuss the FACT that decades of covert Foreign involvement,through the elements of the MIC, led to the Events of 9/11.The Blood of the 3000+ of 9/11 and the Blood of those killed since is on the hnads of the MIC, far more than any cave dwelling 'jihadist'.They Brought this to our door and then Sent our kids out to fight their battles.
Merely Review the Life histories of Cheney,Rummy and Wolfie and you will see who have been the Current Godfathers of the MIC for the last 3-4 decades.They are obviously Not the first and unless we convict them for their High Crimes they will not be the last.Prosecute these SOB's in the international Courts for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity, Then go after them for Abuse of Power,and the Conspiratorial Treason.
Lop the Heads off the Beast.

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not enough original discussion of an explicit thesis
Posted by: sunnywater on May 28, 2009 4:07 AM   
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Little understanding or effort was put into this article.

There is little use of specific facts, and her conclusions are largely unverified opinions, and is largely descriptive, relying on a summary of sources rather than on substantive analysis.

This article is also limited and lacking in critical thinking and original ideas or observations.

Really nothing more than list making.

So much for journalism at Alternet.

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Conspiracies don't exist unless government says they do
Posted by: carolus on May 28, 2009 4:09 AM   
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Alternet's "Conspiracies don't exist unless government says so"-campaign is so low.

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Objectivity in History
Posted by: gweick on May 28, 2009 4:10 AM   
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To believe that governments do not deceive,abuse and oppress the governed is to deny the witness of history from time immemorial and the provocations that led to the writing of the Declaration of Independence. The writers were experienced statesmen, businessmen and scientists who understood that "the people" needed to be protected from their government, hence, the Bill of Rights as a definitive though not exhaustive stipulation of universal civil rights.

If the writers of this article have not seen or heard the gradual and wanton destruction of human rights, the blatant violations of the Constitution, and the cruel genocide wreaked upon the people of the Middle East, they are both blind and deaf to objective experience and analysis.

AlterNet should be ashamed to publish such rubbish, if indeed it is intent on alternative reporting to the corporate controlled MSM. And, since the writers of this thinly veiled hit piece posit Agatha Christi as their authority on the "simplicity" of the world, they should remember that she is best known for fiction.

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The great thing about your favorite conspiracy theory...
Posted by: smendler on May 28, 2009 4:17 AM   
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... is that any criticism of the theory actually seems to confirm the theory.

Hence, someone that believes the Alien Overlord theory would read this piece and say, "Tsk, terrible, AlterNet must have been taken over by the Alien Overlords."

Personally, I think the term "conspiracy theory" is misleading; theories should be testable and predictive, and these ideas - I prefer to call them "conspiracy narratives" - are neither.

The other thing about these narratives is that they generally aren't actionable either - that is, they don't tell you what if anything you should *do* as a result. A good question to ask is, "If this actually were true, would I change the way I live my life?"

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9/11 - the Altern view?
Posted by: harryf200 on May 28, 2009 4:19 AM   
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I've found plenty of stuff on the net about the 9/11 conspiracy theory, mostly emanating from the same (often academic" sources) I haven't seen much countering it. But those interested in the real debate on the evidence, might care to see this:

http://www.layscience.net/node/124 This is particularly good as it addresses some of the theories with photographic evidence.

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Aw, C"MON Awready..! You Want To Whine About THIS?
Posted by: kanekoa64 on May 28, 2009 4:20 AM   
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"AlterNet is doing us a disservice", WAAH...
"AlterNet thinks it has a hegemony on the truth, but they're WRONG!" Bark! Bark! Really...
Thats the best you can come up with AND bitch about?
What, a harmless rehash article designed to stir debate about conspiracies got you going this time and your not THANKFUL? 911! 911! SQUAWK!
911 indeed!
IF there is a tiny bit of truth to even PART of the lists we've all made about things suspected to have happened during that morning, just like with KENNEDY and his MISSING BRAIN, we won't know anything NEAR the truth until the last possibly implicatable asshole involved DIES!
And then, MAYBE.
Just be happy to expound on your suspicions, maybe include AlterNet and all its Leftist, Socialist writers, contributors and editors and how they've played this tune way too often to be random, so it must be a plan of some kind. Maybe just to get everyones CPU address who takes
the "Conspiracy" bait and add them to the
SOCIALIST BLACKLISTS for REMOVAL & RETIREMENT.

As if "they" didn't know who you and I are already!

Heres a gem from the past that kept me sane during the W years
ENJOY!

The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers
--------Government Spies-----------

Government spies are everywhere,
in your home and in your hair,
lurking in their secret lair.
Counting Dollars;

They know everyone you know,
they see everything you show,
and everywhere you go they slowly follers.

Government spies will come to you,
and there's not much you can do.
cept to sit there til they're through with their spying;

They will count up all your cash
they will go through all your trash
then they'll confiscate your stash
and leave you crying.

Well, their leader is a wimp,
his assistant is a simp,
who also functions as a pimp
sometimes, down in miami beach;

"secret sources" pay the tag,
and they pay them by the bag,
It's enough to make a grown man gag
and screech.

Government spies are everywhere,
in your home and in your hair,
lurking in their secret lair,
counting money;

they know everyone you know,
they see everything you show,
they go everywhere you go,
and it ain't funny.


-Fabulous Furry Freak brothers- 1973

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Comments of more value than the article
Posted by: alternetbuster on May 28, 2009 4:23 AM   
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Thanks to constructive comment by:
LeftRight
Ray Duray
Purple Girl

AlterNet you should do better, or is power corrupting?

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June 2001 - Joint Chiefs change NORAD air intercept rules, put Rumsfeld in charge
Posted by: LeftWright on May 28, 2009 4:29 AM   
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http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf


CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF INSTRUCTION

J-3 DISTRIBUTION: A, B, C, J, S
1 June 2001

CJCSI 3610.01A

AIRCRAFT PIRACY (HIJACKING) AND DESTRUCTION OF DERELICT AIRBORNE OBJECTS

1. Purpose. This instruction provides guidance to the Deputy Director
for Operations (DDO), National Military Command Center (NMCC), and
operational commanders in the event of an aircraft piracy (hijacking) or
request for destruction of derelict airborne objects.

2. Cancellation. CJCSI 3610.01, 31 July 1997.

3. Applicability. This instruction applies to the Joint Staff, Services,
unified commands, and the US Element, North American Aerospace
Defense Command (USELEMNORAD).

4. Policy.
a. Aircraft Piracy (Hijacking) of Civil and Military Aircraft. Pursuant
to references a and b, the Administrator, Federal Aviation Administration
(FAA), has exclusive responsibility to direct law enforcement activity
related to actual or attempted aircraft piracy (hijacking) in the “special
aircraft jurisdiction” of the United States. When requested by the
Administrator, Department of Defense will provide assistance to these
law enforcement efforts. Pursuant to reference c, the NMCC is the focal
point within Department of Defense for providing assistance. In the
event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious
means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate
responses as authorized by reference d, forward requests for DOD
assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval.
DOD assistance to
the FAA will be provided in accordance with reference d. Additional
guidance is provided in Enclosure A.

Full document at: http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf

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If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.

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Most People Have Faith. They Are Programmed From Birth To Believe Things That Are Not True
Posted by: tony_opmoc on May 28, 2009 4:32 AM   
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Most people don't even realise this. If you were born in a Christian family - you will probably be programmed to believe in Father Christmas. This belief will be re-inforced by Father Christmas bringing you Christmas Presents. By the age of 3 or 4 - you may start to have your doubts - but think if you stop believing - then the Christmas Presents will stop.

However - when you finally admit the truth, it is highly probable - particularly if your family take you to Church, that you will firmly believe in Jesus Christ.

Other religions will have similar psychological conditioning - but totally different beliefs. They cannot all be correct. Therefore most people believe in Nonsense because most people believe in Religion.

You are not concerned about this - because you KNOW you are right - and the other beliefs are wrong.

Alternet's attempt at ridicule is obviously targetted at the majority of Alternet Posters who juging by what they post don't believe in the Official US Government Story About 9/11.

But it reads as if it was written by a Child who believes in Father Christmas.

To Not Believe in Something so Blatantly Untrue is a Sign of Intelligence - and most Alternet posters are highly intelligent.

Intelligence is about questioning and trying to find the Truth. It is about trying to find solutions to problems.

People who have Faith in belief systems that they are presented with - have closed minds. Some of them may be able to gain high scores at IQ tests - but they are not using their minds to anything like their full potential.

Most people actually live their life in a kind of dream like state. They use less than 10% of their brainpower. We are all conditioned to be this way - even if we receive a University Education. Most people receive no training in how to use their minds - so they stay asleep throughout their lives. Many actually believe that they are highly intelligent - yet in truth they are incredibly ignorant.

What we need is not the will to believe but the will to find out

Tony

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Can Vicki tell us why nanothermite is found in dust samples.........
Posted by: pfgetty on May 28, 2009 4:48 AM   
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and on the ends of beams and in the big "meteorites" found at the WTC collapse?
No.......unless she admits that 9/11, the official story, is the biggest whacko conspiracy story ever!
And that would not serve the interests of Alternet, and those who control and pressure or own Alternet!

Vicki, I don't know how anyone considering themselves a journalist could miss the reality of 9/11. I was a high school newspaper editor, and I learned during that year enough to realize that you are keeping the truth from us, and desperately trying to humiliate the truth movement, and you are doing it for some reason that is dishonorable.

Come clean, Vicki. Tell us who wants you to write this stuff.

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Pre-9/11 Put Options on Companies Hurt by Attack Indicates Foreknowledge
Posted by: LeftWright on May 28, 2009 4:48 AM   
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http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

Financial transactions in the days before the attack suggest that certain individuals used foreknowledge of the attack to reap huge profits. 1 The evidence of insider trading includes:

* Huge surges in purchases of put options on stocks of the two airlines used in the attack -- United Airlines and American Airlines
* Surges in purchases of put options on stocks of reinsurance companies expected to pay out billions to cover losses from the attack -- Munich Re and the AXA Group
* Surges in purchases of put options on stocks of financial services companies hurt by the attack -- Merrill Lynch & Co., and Morgan Stanley and Bank of America
* Huge surge in purchases of call options of stock of a weapons manufacturer expected to gain from the attack -- Raytheon
* Huge surges in purchases of 5-Year US Treasury Notes

In each case, the anomalous purchases translated into large profits as soon as the stock market opened a week after the attack: put options were used on stocks that would be hurt by the attack, and call options were used on stocks that would benefit.

Put and call options are contracts that allow their holders to sell and buy assets, respectively, at specified prices by a certain date. Put options allow their holders to profit from declines in stock values because they allow stocks to be bought at market price and sold for the higher option price. The ratio of the volume of put option contracts to call option contracts is called the put/call ratio. The ratio is usually less than one, with a value of around 0.8 considered normal.

Losers

American Airlines and United Airlines, and several insurance companies and banks posted huge loses in stock values when the markets opened on September 17. Put options -- financial instruments which allow investors to profit from the decline in value of stocks -- were purchased on the stocks of these companies in great volume in the week before the attack.

United Airlines and American Airlines

Two of the corporations most damaged by the attack were American Airlines (AMR), the operator of Flight 11 and Flight 77, and United Airlines (UAL), the operator of Flight 175 and Flight 93. According to CBS News, in the week before the attack, the put/call ratio for American Airlines was four. 3 The put/call ratio for United Airlines was 25 times above normal on September 6.

The spikes in put options occurred on days that were uneventful for the airlines and their stock prices.
On Sept. 6-7, when there was no significant news or stock price movement involving United, the Chicago exchange handled 4,744 put options for UAL stock, compared with just 396 call options -- essentially bets that the price will rise. On Sept. 10, an uneventful day for American, the volume was 748 calls and 4,516 puts, based on a check of option trading records. 5

The Bloomberg News reported that put options on the airlines surged to the phenomenal high of 285 times their average.

Over three days before terrorists flattened the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon, there was more than 25 times the previous daily average trading in a Morgan Stanley "put" option that makes money when shares fall below $45. Trading in similar AMR and UAL put options, which make money when their stocks fall below $30 apiece, surged to as much as 285 times the average trading up to that time.

When the market reopened after the attack, United Airlines stock fell 42 percent from $30.82 to $17.50 per share, and American Airlines stock fell 39 percent, from $29.70 to $18.00 per share.

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You forgot the whackiest conspiracy theory of them all
Posted by: foglerm on May 28, 2009 4:53 AM   
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You forgot the whackiest conspiracy theory of them all — the story that you believe about 911. It's also a conspiracy theory, and it's very whacky.

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How about Operation Northwoods - and other *real* conspiracies
Posted by: smendler on May 28, 2009 4:56 AM   
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Y'all should do another article listing things that might *look* like kooky conspiracy narratives, but that were actually true...

1. The Watergate burglary

2. Operation Northwoods

3. CIA attempts to assassinate Castro

4. The Iran-Contra Affair

5. The "K Street Project"

I'm sure y'all could think up more...

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Some Of The Outrageous Lies About 9/11
Posted by: obamapawn on May 28, 2009 5:05 AM   
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Some Of The Outrageous
Lies About 9/11

By Attorney Joseph A. Lopisi

08 February, 2008
Countercurrents.org

It is hard to pick a place to start in terms of talking about the most outrageous lies that the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission have presented to the people in this country as a reason to attack Afghanistan and Iraq and to launch a "fake war on terror".

The reason I say this is that I have been reading articles and watching videos about the lies and deceptions surrounding 9/11 for the past three years. If anything, there are so many obvious unanswered questions about 9/11. However, not only has no one answered any of these questions but in fact no one in the mainstream media nor anyone in the United States Congress except for Representative Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney have even asked these questions.

Some of these questions are:

1. How is it that at the crash site of Flight 93, NBC and Fox News on September 11, 2001 reported on the scene with video coverage that there was no sign of a jetliner, engines, bodies or luggage? You can go to my website which is www.911insidejob.net and watch this video report which is on my home page. It has never been shown again on the mainstream media.

Read rest of article at http://www.countercurrents.org/lopisi080208.htm

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ALL the lone gunmen did it.
Posted by: marxalot on May 28, 2009 5:13 AM   
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Seriously Alternet, one minute you are begging me for money and the next you're putting out stuff like this?

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More on 9/11 Insider Trading showing Foreknowledge
Posted by: LeftWright on May 28, 2009 5:20 AM   
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August 6, 2001: Suspicious Trading of Companies Affected by 9/11 May Begin by This Date

Insider trading based on advanced knowledge of the 9/11 attacks may have begun on this date, if not earlier. Investigators later discover a large number of put option purchases (a speculation that the stock will go down) that expire on September 30 at the Chicago Board Options Exchange are bought on this date. If exercised, these options would have led to large profits. One analyst later says, “From what I’m hearing, it’s more than coincidence.” [Reuters, 9/20/2001]

September 6-10, 2001: Suspicious Trading on Stocks of Two Large WTC Tenants

The Chicago Board Options Exchange sees suspicious trading on Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley, two of the largest WTC tenants. In the first week of September, an average of 27 put option contracts in its shares are bought each day. Then the total for the three days before the attacks is 2,157. Merrill Lynch, another WTC tenant, see 12,215 put options bought between September 7-10, when the previous days had seen averages of 252 contracts a day. [Independent, 10/14/2001] Dylan Ratigan of Bloomberg Business News, speaking of the trading on Morgan Stanley and other companies, says, “This would be one of the most extraordinary coincidences in the history of mankind if it was a coincidence.” [ABC News, 9/20/2001]

September 14, 2001: Deutsche Bank Exec Resigns, Prompting Speculations of 9/11 Connection

Mayo Shattuck III resigns, effective immediately, as head of the Alex Brown unit of Deutsche Bank. No reason is given. Some speculate later that this could have to do with the role of Deutsche Bank in the pre-9/11 purchases of put options on the stock of companies most affected by 9/11. Deutsche Bank is also one of the four banks most used by the bin Laden family. [New York Times, 9/15/2001; Wall Street Journal, 9/27/2001]

September 29, 2001: $2.5 Million in Airline Options Go Unclaimed

$2.5 million in put options on American Airlines and United Airlines are reported unclaimed. This is likely the result of the suspension in trading on the New York Stock Exchange after the attacks which gave the SEC time to be waiting if the owners showed up to redeem their put options placed the week before the 9/11 attacks. [San Francisco Chronicle, 9/29/2001]

http://www.historycommons.org

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"Ernst Welteke, president of the Bundesbank, said financial investigators had found strong indications of suspicious dealings in gold and oil, as well as unusual movements in airline and insurance shares, in the days before the September 11 attacks in the United States. ..."There are ever clearer signs that there were activities on international financial markets that must have been carried out with the necessary expert knowledge."

"The president of Germany's central bank said today there was mounting evidence that people connected to the attacks in New York and Washington sought to profit from the tragedy by engaging in "terrorism insider trading" on European stock and commodity markets.

Ernst Welteke, head of the Bundesbank, said a preliminary review by German regulators and bank researchers showed there were highly suspicious sales of shares in airlines and insurance companies, along with major trades in gold and oil markets, before Sept. 11 that suggest they were conducted with advance knowledge of the attacks.

Welteke said his researchers came across what he considers almost irrefutable proof of insider trading as recently as Thursday, but he refused to release details pending further consultations with regulators in other countries.


http://patriotsquestion911.com/

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RE: PARANOIA RUNS DEEP!
Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on May 28, 2009 5:37 AM   
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I am pretty sure I saw a Simpsons episode once that revealed this to be true....(before 1999)

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What possible purpose does this article serve?
Posted by: chariotdrvr14 on May 28, 2009 5:33 AM   
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Except to reveal the writers prejudices, arrogance and ignorance on a variety of subjects.

I may agree that conspiracy theories about reptilian overlords as perpetuated by David Icke fans are patently ridiculous. And that Elvis still being alive (if anyone actually could believe that) is just as rebellious to rationality.
But lumping those together with other subjects that the public still has nagging questions about does those issues an enormous disservice.

Yes, I for one do believe that President Kennedy was murdered by a "conspiracy" or confederation of individuals involving military/intelligence and organised crime. There's quite a considerable amount of proof that either might convince you or at the very least render huge doubts in the conclusions asserted by Warren Commission.
Most americans chose not to heed that...because I think that in coming terms with that would mean accepting the idea that a coup d'etat had actually occured in the US and that for a time we were not actually a "democracy".
But ....that's an issue and debate all it's own.
I have no conclusions about 9/11... but there are many nagging questions that have never been fully answered. While it's possible that the weight of falling debris caused the Twin Towers to fall at the maximum speed determined by free falling objects on their own and gravity... No one has properly explained the falling of WT building 7, nor the discrepancy between the size of a plane and the hole at the Pentagon... nor am I convinced that the passengers themselves brought down Flight 93. All of which isn't fed by my own sense of paranoia but by the ongoing public debate about each of these instances.
I don't believe the gov't caused the attack by anything more than John Ashcroft and Condi Rice's complete incompetence and Bush's own ambivalence... something that the GOP has yet to admit to. Cheney had already made up his mind that he wanted to invade Iraq.
So why shouldn't I wonder if they ignored the reports from the previous administration warning about active Al Qaeda cells intentionally or not? As if the Tonkin Gulf incident never occured. Historical precedence sets the tone of public distrust.
Simply labeling these things "conspiracy theories" does the subjects and their victims a tremendous insult. None of the JFK/RFK/MLKjr assassinations had hearings that didn't involve some amount of obstruction injected by the gov't. I know this because I had friends directly involved in the hearings.
And 9/11 hearings themselves there were a great number of restrictions placed on the panel's ability (and willingnes) to investigate by the Bush administration. And you'd know this if you'd been following the news articles from that time. The conclusions were fairly inconclusive.
You want to call the public's doubts 'conspiracy theories' is simply heaping insult upon insult... Is Michael Moore's film 'Fahrenheit 9/11' a conspiracy theory?

We didn't create these conspiracy theories... the gov't lack of transparency did. You blame us for trying to fill in the blanks.
Is AIDS a man made virus?
Could be.
I won't say it is or it isn't ...but it's not as if...say for instance, that south african apartheid era scientists didn't attempt to discover virii that would affect only non whites. I suggest you research the South African truth and reconciliation commision hearings to find basis for fact in that belief. Not that I specifically believe they ever succeeded.
But who the hell are you to call these things "wackiest persisting beliefs"?

This article didn't read as much of a journalistic investigation into the psychology of public political paranoia so much as a sophmoric attempt at filling a deadline.

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Is This A Joke?
Posted by: Carol Burns on May 28, 2009 5:34 AM   
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You just put the 9/11 disaster into a grab bag of hoaxes with the Elvis is not dead theory? Oh, please. We know Elvis has left the planet. What we don't know is what really happened on 9/11. What we do know is that the official version is a lie.

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rgd
Posted by: rgd on May 28, 2009 5:42 AM   
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Excellent point. Some of the politicians do imitate vipers while others prefer constriction. As far as the aids virus goes... has anyone seen an aids virus? Look one up in a microbiology book and compare it with other viruses then draw your own conclusion.

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Dear 9/11 Nuts: Please Shut Up
Posted by: Vector on May 28, 2009 5:47 AM   
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You are wrong. It wasn't controlled demolitions, a cruise missile, Chinese space lasers, or whatever other stupid bloody idea you've cooked up. Bush and Cheney are incompetent morons, same as everyone else in the government -- and particularly the Navy. The more you talk, the more you paint the American Left as a tin hat wearing nutjob and draw attention away from the blatantly open conspiracy to enrich more rich white idiots at your expense.

Come to think of it, if you honestly believe anything brought up in that "Loose Change" atrocity, you deserve to get robbed by your own government.

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911 U.S. government staffed by dumb babboons?
Posted by: xvictor on May 28, 2009 5:54 AM   
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We have the best intelligence outfits money can buy. We have the best spy satellites. We have good, experienced people staffing these agencies: CIA, National Security Agency, military intelligence, FBI, large well-budgeted police forces. Not to mention the frequent cooperation with other nations' intelligence services such as Interpol, MI5, KGB, even Mossad.

Mossad is another story.

So the government wants us to believe that a bunch of "sand niggers" can fully outwit the combined brains and might of our intelligence services which has an annual budget in the many billions of dollars? That our high security government offices are staffed by a bunch of dumbfucks who have their fingers up their noses 24/7?

Think!!!

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Alternet is an opinion site, not a news service
Posted by: Illiteratilumen on May 28, 2009 6:00 AM   
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Plus they publish as much propoganda as they do actual independent opinion.

It can still be a good source of information, opinions and entertainment but it is important that any reader understand their slant on current events if they want to put the information into proper perspective.

Any long time reader will know that the editors have a particular agenda and they will only cherry-pick articles that support their agenda. You will only get one narrow facet of the story on issues like 9/11, global warming, gun control, immigration and others. More often than not their articles are in perfect alignment with mainstream Democratic positions on the subject matter.

Alternet is a great site to have your opinions validated if they fall in line with those of the editorial staff. Its also a great site for the independent-minded critical thinkers to get a particular viewpoint on current issues and post some inflammatory comments to rile up the internets.

So relax, enjoy the article, enjoy the comments and don't let yourself get brainwashed by this or any other site.

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Conspiracies Happen
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on May 28, 2009 6:03 AM   
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Of course we all know that some conspiracy theories are true. A conspiracy is when two or more people conspire to make something happen; is there any way to imagine that 9/11 was not a conspiracy? It boggles the imagination.

However, since the time of the Kennedy assassination, the term conspiracy theory has taken on a different connotation than its literal meaning. It now refers to any kooky explanation, which is to say any alternative to an explanation that is officially sanctioned by the government.

A nice counterpoint to this article is provided right here on AlterNet, showing that even this kind of conspiracy theory can in fact be true.

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G.H.W. Bush, the bin Laden family and the Carlyle Group
Posted by: LeftWright on May 28, 2009 6:10 AM   
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November 1998: Former President George H. W. Bush Meets with Bin Laden Family

Former President George H. W. Bush meets with the bin Laden family on behalf of the Carlyle Group. The meeting takes place in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. [Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 10/7/2001]

January 2000: Former President Bush Meets with bin Laden Family on Behalf of Carlyle Group

Former President George H. W. Bush meets with the bin Laden family on behalf of the Carlyle Group. He had also met with them in November 1998 (see November 1998), but it is not known if he meets with them again after this. Bush denies this meeting took place until a thank you note is found confirming that it took place. [Wall Street Journal, 9/27/2001; Guardian, 10/31/2001]

(8:00 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Former President George H. W. Bush Heads off After Spending Night at the White House

Former President George H. W. Bush, along with former First Lady Barbara Bush, leaves Washington, DC, by private jet, bound for a speaking engagement in St. Paul, Minnesota. The Bushes spent the previous night at the White House. They had flown to Washington the previous day to attend several meetings and a dinner. One of the meetings attended by the former president was the annual investor conference of the Carlyle Group, which was also attended by Shafig bin Laden, one of Osama bin Laden’s brothers (see (9:00 a.m.) September 11, 2001). They are later informed of the WTC attacks while on their jet. Due to all planes being grounded, they have to land in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. [CBS News, 11/1/2002; CNN, 10/25/2003; Newsweek, 10/27/2003]

(9:00 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Bin Laden Brother Attends Carlyle Group Conference

The Carlyle Group is a large private-equity investment firm, closely associated with officials of the Bush and Reagan administrations, and has considerable ties to Saudi oil money, including ties to the bin Laden family. This morning it is holding its annual investor conference at the Ritz Carlton hotel in Washington, DC. Among the guests of honor is investor Shafig bin Laden, brother of Osama bin Laden. [Observer, 6/16/2002; London Times, 5/8/2003] Former President George H. W. Bush, who makes speeches on behalf of the Carlyle Group and is also senior adviser to its Asian Partners fund [Wall Street Journal, 9/27/2001] , attended the conference the previous day, but is not there today (see (8:00 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Washington Post, 3/16/2003]

http://www.historycommons.org

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.

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What's the point?
Posted by: RayBanner on May 28, 2009 6:14 AM   
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Again Alternet has wasted my time with a story that pretends to despell myths. Where is the argument against these theories? Where is the eveidence? Where is the logic?

This tactic of simply saying here is a list of silly things (including a couple of things that are actually silly) without bothering to explain whay they are silly is beyond desperate. I know, I know, you don't have to explain it because everyone knows it's silly to think that the government would mislead us. I mean it's not like they have evr lied us into wars or anything, right? Pentagon Papers, anyone?

If this is what passes for journalism, I am afraid I give up. This site is beyond pathetic.

I guess it is sill to think that one bullet shot two people three times. I guess it is silly to think it suspicious that three buildings spontaneously fell down at freefall speed defying the laws of physics.
This artical is the equivalent of saying: here are four red things: an apple, a firetruck, a stopsign and an orange. The two hacks reposnible for this tripe ought to be ashamed. Alternet ought to rethink what they are trying to accomplish. Perhaps some actually weighing of evidence.
I guess they have forgotten the Matt Tiabbi epic fail where he pretended to debate Dr. Griffin, but really just made an ass out of himself saying: Aren't they silly.

Please try harder. I'd really love to be proven wrong about 9/11. Until someone offers some explanations that stand up to reasonable scrutiny, I am going to assume that there is a very logical reason for the government resisting an investigation, inhibiting the investigation and publishing 567 pages of nonsense and offerring it as an explanation.

You all should be embarrassed.

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Conspiracy #11
Posted by: pppedro on May 28, 2009 6:15 AM   
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A bearded weirdo masterminded 9/11 from a remote cave in Afghanistan.

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You want wacky and ridiculous?
Posted by: peppylapew on May 28, 2009 6:15 AM   
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The wackiest conspiracy theory going is that a few hard-drinking, strip-clubbing Islamic militants who weren't compentent to fly a Cessna 152 and armed only with boxcutters somehow commandeered US airspace for over an hour, leveled two skyscrapers, and flew an airliner into the very headquarters of the US defense establishment. Now that's wacky!

Next to that one, the ridiculous theory that Oswald shot Kennedy and Connally with just one bullet which was found, in pristine condition, on the governor's stretcher at the hospital --- well, why not!

And, by the way, Icke was not the originator of the shape-shifting reptoid story. I believe it surfaced in the '80s in a book titled "Behold a Pale Horse." Such an absurd idea, but it might explain why so many of our elected representatives look and act like lizards.

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What Carl Sagan said in Cosmos
Posted by: zooeyhall on May 28, 2009 6:26 AM   
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The late astronomer Carl Sagan, in the tv series Cosmos, had an episode where he totally devastated and debunked the "alien abduction" stuff. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs", he said, and never was something so well applied to the conspiracy theories mentioned in this article.

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JFK, ET, Area 51, chemtrails, etc. etc.--selling books and movies
Posted by: frantic1971 on May 28, 2009 6:30 AM   
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Of course it's obvious--JFK was assasinated by extra-terrestials in league with the CIA because he was onto Area 51 and the secret plans there to develop chemtrails to hide from us the fact that 9/11 was an inside job plotted by the Illuminati.

It does sell books and movies, though.

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Well, this proves it
Posted by: BobKincaid on May 28, 2009 6:31 AM   
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A couple of weeks back, I cynically suggested that Alternet periodically throws these inane Grand Scheme stories out to gin up responses and web traffic.

At the time, I didn't want to think what I asserted was true, but this latest puts the proof to it.

All it takes to crank up the traffic is to suggest that George W. Bush DIDN'T run all over the towers in his little black coat and his little black hat, placing little black bombs in order to bring the towers down. As if on cue, the Grand Schemers starting hopping up and down.

Alternet's conduct is callous and cynical and shameful. Leave this issue alone. Leave it to the charlatans and the hucksters making a fortune off it at the expense of the credulous and the silly.

Every time Alternet publishes something like this in order to ratchet up traffic, it calls its own validity into question.

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Shallow, silly article
Posted by: LeeAnnG on May 28, 2009 6:37 AM   
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This article is nothing but a list. There are no facts to back up anything the author says. In fact, she doesn't even directly debunk any of the conspiracy theories.

I know very little about what "really" happened on 9/11, but it seems blatently obvious that, at the very least, the government was warned that this attack was coming. It's possible the powers-that-be didn't believe the signs, but it seems more likely that they knew something bad was coming and ignored it. How else to explain the "Osama determined to strike" presidential memo and the "OK, you covered your ass" comment by the Shrub?

And, by the way, it might be nice if the author also learned how to write using correct grammar. Gerunds take a possessive, and the following sentences are incorrect:

"The reasons for the faked death vary between him wanting to get away from the public to him being put under witness protection by the FBI for being a drug informant -- a rumor started by him meeting with Nixon in 1970 and telling him he wanted to help eradicate drug abuse."

It should be:

"The reasons for the faked death vary between HIS wanting to get away from the public to HIS being put under witness protection by the FBI for being a drug informant -- a rumor started by HIS meeting with Nixon in 1970 and telling him he wanted to help eradicate drug abuse."

Why does Alternet even bother with such triviality and poorly written nonsense?

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Conspiracy theories let the guilty get away
Posted by: sausage on May 28, 2009 6:38 AM   
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O.K., folks, if there is any real conspiracies in this world it is, the rich and well-connected want to keep the cash the political well-connectedness all to themselves!

What the various conspiracy theories outlined above do is create distrust in the only institution designed, or at least intended we hope, to act as an honest-broker between the interests or the majority and those of the moneyed-class, our federal government.

It may be mere coincidence, or a conspiracy perhaps, that the rise in conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists coincides with the erosion of New Deal-era business regulations. Regulations and regulatory agencies, by the way, which aided in creating the longest period of economic expansion in world history and a burgeoning, upwardly mobile middle class and the expansion of civil rights to all segments of U.S. society.

The single salient feature of the conspiracy theories outlined above, with the exceptions of Princess Di, Elvis and Shakespeare, is that the federal government is at the heart of nefarious schemes to fool, hoodwink and control the nation's average citizens. To what end even conspiracy theorists are hard pressed to say. What purpose could the federal government possibly have in assassinating a sitting president, faking the lunar landing or lying about a UFO crash in rural New Mexico? And is it really plausible that David and Nelson Rockefeller and primary architect Minoru Yamasaki planned far enough ahead to secretly plant explosive charges in critical, structurally weak portions of both World Trade Center towers? And why haven't our reptilian, outer space overlords just thrown away the masks?

The only conspiracy behind any conspiracy theory is that it is intended to distract us from the real cause of our economic misery: the same robber barons, the bankers and Wall Street investors or at least their direct and indirect descendants, who grabbed control of the U.S. government in the 1880s and held on to it until 1932. Those who subscribe to the various conspiracy theories that credit agencies within the federal government with various nefarious schemes, black helicopters and the like, are unwittingly doing the bidding of the real schemers and planners of mind-control and the end of our republican-democracy: the vested interests of Wall Street and the military/industrial complex.

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Framing the debate
Posted by: Bizatch! on May 28, 2009 6:38 AM   
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Congratulations, Alternet! You have mastered the same tactic used by top level officials for years now: framing the debate to suit your terms alone. In this case, you jumble together a bunch of ideas, some of which are obviously bunk, in order to discredit anything that might be worth investigating. Fortunately, such 'intellectualism' and journalistic rigor is mostly ignored these days, but tacit approval of the established order is so ingrained that, unlike dissidents in the former Eastern Bloc, we have little idea we're being played like so many ukeleles.

It's time for me to devote my attention to more worthwhile sources: The Guardian just finished a long series of columns covering the Bilderberg meeting in Greece this month (never heard a thing in our press), and for anyone who's interested in truly challenging content ought to visit globalresearch.ca. You can taste the difference!

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Shite Sensationalism!
Posted by: mcgoo on May 28, 2009 6:55 AM   
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I used to post thoughtful comments on Huffpo until it became a rag. It seems that Alternet has stooped just as low. It's been nice knowing you, Alternet, but now you are a waste of time.

Good riddings, I won't be back.

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911 and Kennedy assassination = Elvis sightings???
Posted by: Jamar151 on May 28, 2009 7:07 AM   
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According to the writer of this article truth is what your told:

Official version = Absolute truth

Anything different from the official version = Elvis sightings on the moon!

"The simplest explanation is always the most likely" applies to those who care for facts and who are sincere independent truth seekers with open minds and who can also think outside the box.

But according to the writer of this article the “official version” should determine how people think. How closed minded can one get!

Yeah, thumbs down on this article!

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Murder on the Orient Express
Posted by: ClassAct on May 28, 2009 7:20 AM   
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It is interesting that this article begins with a reference to Agatha Christie whose Murder on the Orient Express deals with a conspiracy. Poirot is able to put the pieces together, namely that they all done it, but knows it cannot be brought before a jury. Luckily in the story the victim was also a villain, but what is the outcome of the story when the victim is a wildly popular POTUS that is denounced as a tyrant by the Wall Street Journal and US News & World Report?
Conspiracies are real, but the public must be loath to believe them, else obtaining convictions on conspiracy charges from juries would be a breeze. Consider how many mafia dons have walked free from the court, even as the whole nation knows of their godfather status.

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Shape-shifting reptiles
Posted by: shiltone on May 28, 2009 7:31 AM   
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The primary reason not to believe this one is that Republicans have been able to make hay from sowing fear and hatred in their human (or nearly-human; e.g., Dick Cheney) forms for at least the last 60 years. There would be no reason at all for them to have come from outer space, be reptiles, or anything else.

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Elvis is in Nebraska
Posted by: raginghormones on May 28, 2009 7:43 AM   
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Elvis didn't die. He changed his name and is now a state trooper here in Nebraska.

I've actually seen him! I was stopped once for speeding by a guy with shades who kept humming "Don't be Cruel" while writing the ticket.

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Conspiracies and conspiracy theories
Posted by: ah2323 on May 28, 2009 7:47 AM   
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The intent of this article is to poison the well for anyone who dares to question the official story on anything. Why else would you include well-founded doubts about the Authorized Version of the Kennedy assassination or 9/11 with speculations about reptilian controllers or the faked moon shot?

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Why is the tenth conspiracy theory so ridiculous?
Posted by: bepa on May 28, 2009 7:49 AM   
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Answer

To make the other theories also appear ridiculous.


In a society where the news has been massaged and some voices are never heard...
where a people were lied into a war of choice and the war was for monetary gain...
where many of the powerful and wealthy people continue to rake in obscene amounts of money as they destroy the US economy...

well aren't those part of the reasons why people are unsure of what the truth is?

I think most people think there are powerful people behind most of these events and the average person has little to no control over what happens.

Who are the authors of this article?

Who are Vicki Santillano and Divine Caroline and what backgrounds do they have to be critical of these alternative views of major events?

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Shame on Alternet..shame
Posted by: Zimbly on May 28, 2009 7:50 AM   
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A very cynical and low blow. Shame..you now are on the same list as "Moveon.Org" that is I will have deleted you from my list, goodbye.

In October 11th 2001, Mike Ruppert gave a talk, he asked how many( show of hands) believed Lee Harvy Oswald was the lone gunman who shot Kennedy.......no one ..then for a lark someone out there said "I do"..the whole audience"spontaneously laughed".

So I "spontaneously laugh" at the crap you put out today.
Why do you want to insult our intelligence.
I think reason you posted this junk :
1) to see how many"left wing bugs creeped out of the woodwork "
2) a type of census for the Pentagon or survey
3) Co and Intel pro
4) just for a laugh
5) a Pentagon hit piece

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Fuck you, too, Alternet
Posted by: leafsong1 on May 28, 2009 7:55 AM   
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What, are there too many open minded people reading your advertising? Why don't you just post an article about how liberals and progressives and leftists are all foolish dreamers and/or communist infiltrators? There are plenty of them out there, and the generalizations, stereotypes, and deceptive half-facts that such a piece would entail would fit in well right along side this piece of crap. Why not call all of your readers stupid?

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I Am Convinced That At Least Some of NASA's Moon Photography Was Done In a Studio on Earth
Posted by: tony_opmoc on May 28, 2009 7:54 AM   
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This doesn't prove that the Americans didn't land on the moon. For over 30 years I was convinced they did because I saw it on Live TV, and never had any reason to doubt it. However there is a great deal of photography supposedly taken on the moon which can be proven to have been taken in a studio on Earth.

Here is an example

This video shows the lunar module taking off from the moon.

Now - the panning upwards is in itself a remarkable feat of technology for the time - considering the remote control camera had to be controlled from Earth - and the subsequent time delay re feedback - let alone the camera control mechanics... To make any change to any setting will involve a time delay of over 2 seconds before you can see the results of your change due to the distance of the moon from the earth and the speed of light.

The clincher for me - as I have always done a lot of photography is the slight zoom out immediately before the take off.

I'm convinced that this could only have been done - by a photographer actually controlling the camera directly - and I reckon even the Yanks wouldn't have left him behind on the moon. If the video had been taken on the moon it would be absurd to make any such slight changes - because you would be unable to see the results of any changes until seconds afte the event. To actually pan up - would risk missing the shot entirely. It would be far simpler and make far more sense to use a static camera - it just wouldn't look "quite" so good - but the audience would hardly notice the difference.

I now am not sure that the Americans landed on the moon, when once I was convinced that they did.

It should soon be easy to prove it one way or another - by satellites orbiting the moon and taking photography of the "landing" sites but maybe the Japanese and The Europeans and the Chinese will be too polite and not embarrass the Americans for pulling such an amazing stunt which fooled almost all the World.

Tony

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NO BETTER EXAMPLE WHY ALTERNET IS A DANGEROUS WASTE OF TIME AND EFFORT
Posted by: xbj on May 28, 2009 7:56 AM   
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Best to boycott it and its advertisers. The less said about this faux left disinfo site the better.

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Alternet Please Answer
Posted by: bepa on May 28, 2009 8:03 AM   
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Please give your readers some reason about

why have you published this article

and please

give us information about the authors of this article...Vicki Santillano, Divine Caroline

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I Have Seen No Evidence That Princess Diana Was Assassinated
Posted by: tony_opmoc on May 28, 2009 8:17 AM   
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But a Journalist once told me how it was done. However I didn't know whether to believe him.

There were all sorts of reasons and motivations about why she could have been assassinated.

Her continued existence would have made the coming GWOT much more difficult - particularly the UK's involvement in it.

She was extremely pro-active against Land Mines - and was photographed disarming the bloody things in full gear - shortly before her death. She was also dating a Muslim.

I don't know whether or not she was assassinated - it could have been an accident.

If she was assassinated I don't believe there was any involvement or knowledge of the Royal Family.

Tony

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There is no Illuminati
Posted by: EinMD on May 28, 2009 8:27 AM   
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Signed,

The Illuminati

PS: Please tell Tom Hanks to back the frack up. We got dis.

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Box cutters?
Posted by: Crazy H on May 28, 2009 8:35 AM   
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So, how do we know that the perps used box cutter knives? One phone call (reputed to be from a cell phone - made before cell phones were capable of transmitting from airplanes)

So, let's take a critical look at that. A wife, sitting in an airplane seat, makes a phone call to her hubby about her plane being hijacked. Is it reasonable that she would take the time to calmly describe the kind of knives the perps were using? Or would the conversation be more about how she feels? "tell the kids I love them..." rather than "Five Middle Eastern Males, wielding box-cutter knives..."

How would she know? A box cutter held in the hand is nearly invisible. You'd have to be pretty close to the hijacker to see it. But if you were sitting right next to him, do you think he'd let you make a phone call?

A box cutter is too short to be used in a 'knife fight' - you come up behind your victim & slit their throat. So, someone sitting twenty rows back would see blood, yes - but would they see the knife well enough to know what it was? Would they even care?

Remember - the official story is that there was a blitzkrieg attack. It happened so fast in all four cases that the pilots didn't have time to notify the authorities. The hijackers wouldn't have stood around brandishing their weapons (not that it would do any good - a box cutter just doesn't look all that scary)

How many people even knew what a box cutter was prior to 9/11?

Why was the call made from the very last plane at the very last minute? Why did the gov't originally claim that the calls were made from cell phones, then change their story to say they were made from seat back phones? If they were made from seat back phones, how did the recipients' caller id correctly id the callers? Why did the gov't change their story about when the calls were made?

Prior to 9/11, those of us with some weapons training often talked about how silly the three-inch knife rule was. We often sited 'box cutter knives' as being able to kill with less than a one-inch blade. Pros knew about them, martial artists knew about them, CIA trained terrorists might know about them, but Jane Wifey?

This story is just a little too pat. Another theory might be that the gov't needed a plausible-sounding excuse.

One bloody glove at the crime scene, okay, I can buy that. Another in the back of the Ford Bronco - that sounds a little too pat, but who am I to question the government? But when a third bloody glove is found in the bedroom: something smells funny in the state of Denmark...

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Reptilian Humanoids
Posted by: tap17x on May 28, 2009 8:39 AM   
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This theory is obviously correct but they did not name the reptilian humanoids. One went by the fake name of G.W.Bush, "The Texas Turd," and the other was called "His Dickness" (R. Cheney).

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Some of the sillier theories....
Posted by: Crazy H on May 28, 2009 8:39 AM   
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1) All of the media outlets in the world are part of a vast conspiracy to make liberals look good.

2) All of the scientists in the world are in on a conspiracy to discredit the bible.

3) All of the exit pollsters in the USA are in on a conspiracy to make it look like John Kerry won the election.

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TRUST
Posted by: bepa on May 28, 2009 8:39 AM   
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At the heart of this discussion is trust...

Do you trust the information given to you by various sources?

Do you trust the authorities to act according to the law?

Do you trust articles from the news media (Alternet)?

And then the question is how do you evaluate information and who do you trust based upon what criteria?

Personally I no longer have much trust left...except in groups like Amnesty...which advocate human rights. But then you look at someone like Madoff who used NGO's also and left some NGO's very economically damaged.

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Good grief! There are a lot of tin foil hats out there!
Posted by: shiltone on May 28, 2009 8:36 AM   
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Folks, none of the 10 conspiracy theories in the article are even controversial, and all the protestations can be summarized like this:

It's not a conspiracy theory, it's true! Just [a. read this book of unsubstantiated crap by a fellow conspiracy theorist] or [b. watch this film filled with unsubstantiated crap by a fellow conspiracy theorist] and you'll know it's true!

If your intent is to convince people of your pet theory, it's not a very effective approach, nor is the "Only an idiot could fail to see this" theme. Do any of you know actually know the meaning of "evidence", "proof", "truth", "corroboration", "consider the source", or "lies", or are you just imitating something you've seen someone else do without understanding what you are saying?

Do you believe something just because you read it on the Internet (or anywhere else), even as the overwhelming proof against it is also available to be read on the Internet? Doesn't that seem like a little bit of a contradiction? Is there a possibility that anything anyone wants to believe can be "proved" by someone somewhere?

I'm no apologist for the MSM, but the only thing they've been conspiring to do is to make money and cover their asses. The idea that they could collectively cover up any one of these scenarios is beyond the credulity of even the most brain-damaged wingnut.

Elvis, who everyone knows was Fidel Castro and Lee Harvey Oswald's love child, is really a shape-shifting lizard who faked his moon walk before taking out Princess Diana because she was about to reveal the truth about AIDS-infected African-Americans having blown up the WTC in hopes of melting the polar ice cap, and is now pumping gas in Roswell, NM.

There, you've read it on the Internet; now go out and spread the truth to the world!

Sadly, the effect of all this nonsense is to obscure issues which should be of concern, and are based in fact; e.g., the fact that George W. Bush was warned about the possibility of something like 9/11 happening (this is quite different from the theory that he was in on the details) and did nothing to try to prevent it, or the deregulation of the food industry leading to increased salmonella poisoning.

In addition, it chips away at the concept of absolute truth -- universal agreement about things we should be able to universally agree upon; e.g., that the sun comes up in the East, that the moon is not made of green cheese, etc. Somewhere out there there's someone saying, "In the East? Well I suppose everyone's entitled to his/her opinion." If we can't agree on anything -- and we can't distinguish the truth from someone's nutty theory -- we can't act on anything, and it cripples our society's ability to seek progress or to try to make the world a better place.

Finally, please don't lump these nuts with political progressives just because they post comments on AlterNet; progressives are who they are because they tend to think things through, require evidence, and reject dogma, all of which are characteristics that disqualify one as a conspiracy theorist.

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JESUS H CHRIST do I have to do all the work AGAIN?
Posted by: stellabloo on May 28, 2009 8:48 AM   
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Shape-shifting reptiles? Give me a fucking break. The only thing being worshipped at Bohemian Grove is MAMMON. Anyway, here are links to two genuine pieces of reporting:

CBC News: Evan Solomon interviews Lee Hamilton, 9/11 Commission co-chair and co-author of the book "Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission".

This is a fair and unbiased interview by our publicly-owned media that raises some disturbing questions, none of which Hamilton was able to answer. Sample: "If forty odd million dollars were spent investigating President Bill Clinton’s sexual infidelities, why did the American people and the world [get] a commission that was originally budgeted for 3 million dollars ...?"

And then there's this:

150 Graduates of Pat Robertson's College in Bush Administration

This isn't conspiracy. Pat and friends quite openly believe in the End Times, the Final Apocalypse and their established position at the Right Hand Side of the Lord. They believe that their Sacred Duty goes as far as helping Armageddon right along.

And then of course, there's the well-known "conspiracy" that the WMDs of Iraq were a hoax designed to escalate the War for Oil to the next level. Two trillion dollars later and counting, you guys are STILL in Iraq and the rest of us STILL can't understand why ... A global recession caused by the corporate overlords squeezing us until we oinked and these same assholes are still tossing billions around like tiddleywinks ... And now these two idiots, Santillano and Christine dredging up Elvis, like he has anything to do with any of the burning questions we might have about the sorry state we find ourselves in. Thanks for nothing - cuz that's what I learned from that article - NOTHING.

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Disapointment
Posted by: Lucidity on May 28, 2009 8:51 AM   
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I'm surprised and disappointed with Alternet poking fun at these conspiracy theories. As far fetched as some of these may seem, you should realize by now, nothing is as it seems to be in this matrix we call life. It is time for the human race to wake up and grow up! If we have any hopes of surviving the rough road ahead, we must change our way of thinking, learn to unite and work together, and start caring for one another, for we all are one and the same.

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Reptilian
Posted by: Archie1954 on May 28, 2009 8:52 AM   
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Now I could certainly believe that Bush is reptilian. Why would any human American help to destroy the wealthiest country in the world? He even looks reptilian with those beady little eyes and that snake like smirk. You almost expected to see the forked tongue flick out everytime he opened his mouth.

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There is a Great Deal of Evidence That HIV is a Harmless Virus and It Doesn't Cause AIDS
Posted by: tony_opmoc on May 28, 2009 9:00 AM   
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However, if you are diagnosed HIV+ and take AZT as people like Freddy Mercury did then you are almost certain to die of AIDS - because the AZT will kill you.

The best evidence that HIV doesn't cause AIDS comes from University of Berkeley virologist Peter Duesberg.

He is THE Expert on the subject.

AIDS however is a highly complex subject with enormous Government funding - and there is a great deal of misinformation about it - with lots of silly conspiracy theories and some extremely good research.

Depopulation and HIV

Tony

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Dear Vicki
Posted by: yoself on May 28, 2009 9:00 AM   
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Hopefully this does not bend the rules, or is claimed to be some kind of 'personal attack' theory, if it does, that's fine, Alternet is starting to become another mainstream unthinking news site.

So 911 wasn't an inside job? You should watch loose change, in plane site, or a million other videos that give great evidence and proof. Did you happen to miss any of your civil rights that have been stripped? Did you notice Obama is meet the new boss same as the old boss? Do you realize that there is little you can do to not be tracked - cell phone GPS, internet, land line (phone), Tracking in cars, soon the national ID etc..

There's no conspiracy there? Just a concerned government?

Are you aware that UFO sightings are skyrocketing globally? Must be those Chinese lanterns huh? How about that 100 foot skid mark, according to the 911 commission report outside the pentagon.. you should see the video pentagon strike. Were you hired to obfuscate, a double agent, what is happening at alternet?!!

Please don't get me wrong. But at least read that book you referenced!

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Clueless Author talks out her Ass
Posted by: jaylindberg@hotmail.com on May 28, 2009 9:02 AM   
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Vicki Santillano is one of those yuppie feel good writers. You know the type. Lack of any investigative skills, hooked into the system and feeds on it, don't rock the boat types.

As far as the AIDS virus goes, something I researched almost ten years ago, this is what we know. The technological advances in our Bioweapons industry existed in the early 1970s to create the virus. The black ops funding for development of the virus- 1970. The motive for release of the virus - target threatening populations and deviant subcultures. There was lots more to the research but these are several of the key points off the top of my head.

Jay Lindberg

Author of Drug War Economics: The machine behind the madness. Send me your e-mail address and I will send you a copy as a PDF file.(its free and has the conclusions of the AIDS virus research in it.) HK- Henry Kissinger was involved in the decision making process to develop and release the virus.

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It's all about EDUCATION LEVELS
Posted by: TheNamelessCity on May 28, 2009 9:05 AM   
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Especially in America unfortunately, where a person is considered well-read if he or she has read "get rich quick" business books. The uneducated and those whose intellectual diet is a steady stream of entertainment are prime fodder for conspiracy theory belief. They are too dumb to think critically and believe the garbage on TV and probably in the Star and the Enquirer too. Lucky for the wealthy and the churches! They have a deep pool of dummies who will believe everything they tell them. Bad news for the freethinkers, though.

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infortunate...
Posted by: swamiji725 on May 28, 2009 9:06 AM   
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it is unfortunate that alternet publishes stories like this one....it has frankly underminded my trust in your motives. it is completely wrong and duplicitis to place kennedy assassination and 9/11 conspiracy theories alongside elvis or reptilian control theories....
all i can say is.....shame on you!

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This comes from Alternet?
Posted by: redpiller on May 28, 2009 9:08 AM   
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A very poor piece of journalism from a website that I formerly was fond of reading. Not anymore. It is extremely poor taste to equate 9-11 non-believers in the official story with those who think Elvis is still alive and we didn't land on the moon.

In fact, one would think that is the entire purpose of the article. Otherwise, I can't see the purpose in publishing such tripe! Shame on you, Alternet and your authors. You have now become part of the machine of war and government which keeps us forever ignorant. Your credibility is out the window from here forward.

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TORTURE and a loss of trust
Posted by: bepa on May 28, 2009 9:08 AM   
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The US government engaged in the torture of innocent people in defiance of the Geneva Convention and its own Constitution.

Where were the people within the government who should have stood up to this use of torture?

The news media has focused on Pelosi (who was not the originator of torture ) and on waterboarding (only one form of torture used) and on the use of torture on people who were probably murderers.

There has been very little said about the people who were innocent and tortured and some of those innocent people died while being tortured under government sanctioned programs.

After something like that ..exactly who could be trusted any more in the government? What news media could be trusted now?

The Red Cross was one of the groups uncovering this use of torture in Afghanistan and I read about it in the NYT before Bush was elected the second time...

If I could figure it out..others must also have known...so why were they silent?

The lies continue and the truth is hidden...fertile ground for conspiracy theories

Why did people look the other way?

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ALTERNET THE APOLOGIST
Posted by: Gilgamesh on May 28, 2009 9:09 AM   
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the fact of the matter is that alternet has slowly but surely been towing the line of corporate controlled media... but this takes the cake.

do you really believe in magic bullets? oswald couldnt have acted alone, thats just common sense.

9/11 - jet fuel fires dont leave molten steel behind that smolders for weeks.

baxter pharmaceutical is on record purposely putting AIDS in their vaccines. go ahead and look it up, you find a 2nd rate internet news agency reporting it either, it will be the MSM.

so, f*ck you alternet. you gone from acceptable journalism to bad to more of the same.

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Yo! Alternet! Do a little research!
Posted by: kozad on May 28, 2009 9:09 AM   
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The three alternatives Alternet offers were popular a hundred years ago, but two minutes on the Internet would have led the authors to discover that the most likely author of Shakespeare's works (aside from "The Bard" himself is Edward deVere, Earl of Oxford.

In fact, the "authorship question" almost universally pits the "Stratfordians" against the "Oxfordians." After years of research, I have come to the Oxfordian point of view, and, I have to say, we are a little tired of the ad hominen argument repeated by Alternet that we are "elitists."

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I object
Posted by: motamanx6 on May 28, 2009 9:13 AM   
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to the word "Wackiest" in the headline. Who wrote it? Karl Rove?
There's conspiracy theories, and then there are conspiracies. 9/11 simply could not have happened the way the Commission said it did. The Commission never even mentioned Building 7 or that its owner said "pull it". There was NO 757 found at the Pentagon.

So it is a conspiracy, not a theory. And far, far from "wacky".

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This Article by Vicki Santillano is Disingenuous at Best
Posted by: edgar_michel on May 28, 2009 9:15 AM   
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1. The footage of the JFK assassination clearly shows JFK being slammed backward into the rear car seat of the limo of the presidential motorcade creating a serious question about the claim that he was shot from behind.

2. In the sixties, the Air Force was experimenting with nuclear powered aircraft that could stay aloft for years providing the coveted high ground indefinitely to the military in the event of conflict. The aircraft was a modified form of the flying wing taking the form of a half disk. Part of the intent of the Army/Air Force UFO stories was to provide cover for the fact that one of their nuclear powered planes crashed.

3. 9/11 has had the advantage of more academic discipline than any investigation in history. The government's conspiracy theory by contrast seems mired in heresy and innuendo and lacks professional investigative methods. The government has also made public, inconclusive, partial, evidence that fueled the flames of conspiratorial potentiates instead of quieting them. It would therefore appear that the government itself was complicit in foisting wild conspiracy theories on the public thus discrediting serious investigative work.

In conclusion I believe that Alternet is provided to the public as an emotional venting place so that real organization and real action is diverted into harmless discourse at this “news” sight so that real investigations go nowhere. In other words, Alternet is like Fox news, a government mouthpiece designed to disarm public anger and frustration, rather than providing the public with the tools that real knowledge affords.

How do we get a real investigative News service? I don’t know; that may have died with the final cancellation of Edward R. Murrow's "See It Now," in the summer of 1958. Danny Schecter's, "The Media Channel," has potential but Schecter is more focused on media issues rather than general investigative reporting, as he is strapped financially. It would appear that AT&T has gotten its way and the content of the Internet now belongs to the “owners” of the “pipes” of the Internet, Alternet included.

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AlterNet's War on Science and Investigative Citizenship
Posted by: burro_mail on May 28, 2009 9:22 AM   
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It is clear that AlterNet has joined the war on investigative citizenship and science.

It is also clear that AlterNet either has a really big gap in the science department, or else its funders are really pulling the strings.

#1 and #3 are examples where there is absolute scientific certainty of conspiracy.

#4 is also supported by scientific evidence.

I don't know about the rest.

I am just surprised AlterNet did not call human-made global climate change a hoax, while they were at it.

This article is another example of why I don't take AlterNet seriously. Even in their interesting articles, AlterNet writers and editors display a clear lack of scientific knowledge and critical thinking skills.

Truly shameful!

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YO! ALTERNET!
Posted by: Crazy H on May 28, 2009 9:23 AM   
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IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUBLISH A STORY DESIGNED TO INCREASE YOUR TRAFFIC, HOW ABOUT YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOUR SERVERS CAN HANDLE IT FIRST?? MY LAST THREE ATTEMPTS AT RESPONSES HAVE TIMED OUT. YOU CAN'T EVEN **LOAD** JOSHUA HOLLAND'S LAST CONSPIRACY THEORY STORY.

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More than 50% of People over 65 years old have high blood pressure. Over 90 percent will develop it
Posted by: tony_opmoc on May 28, 2009 9:27 AM   
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Does this mean that "low" or "normal" blood pressure stops you getting to be over 65 years old?

Does this mean that it is normal to have high blood pressure over the age of 65 - because the vast majority of old people have high blood pressure?

Does this mean that high blood pressure is good for you and you will join the 90% of old people who eventually will get it?

Personally I don't believe that high blood pressure is good for you, and that you should avoid it by a healthy natural diet and lots of exercise.

But if you are diagnosed with it and take drugs to reduce it - or high cholestoral - those drugs are likely to shorten your life.

Why are there virtually no really old people with low blood pressure?

Is it because it killed them when they were young?

What exactly is defined as Normal - is it someone who takes vast quantities of drugs prescribed by doctors?

Drugs do work to reduce high blood pressure - but they do nothing to enable you to live longer. The chances are your doctor will simply prescibe them to you - and won't even ask you about your diet, lifestyle or the amount of exercise you take.

Lots of money in drugs. Who pays for your doctor's fancy trips?

The eldest woman who died recently at the age of 130 - was aked how did you manage to live so long? She said I never went to see a Doctor.

Tony

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AlterNet's War on Science and Investigative Citizenship
Posted by: burro_mail on May 28, 2009 9:27 AM   
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It is clear that AlterNet has joined the war on investigative citizenship and science.

It is also clear that AlterNet either has a really big gap in the science department, or else its funders are really pulling the strings.

#1 and #3 are examples where there is absolute scientific certainty of conspiracy.

#4 is also supported by scientific evidence.

I don't know about the rest.

I am just surprised AlterNet did not call human-made global climate change a hoax, while they were at it.

This article is another example of why I don't take AlterNet seriously. Even in their interesting articles, AlterNet writers and editors display a clear lack of scientific knowledge and critical thinking skills.

Truly shameful!

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This article ...
Posted by: monkeywrench on May 28, 2009 9:29 AM   
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... is the mashing together of the sublime with the ridiculous into one smelly little lump. What, precisely, was the point of this "piece"; to smear probable conspiracies and occurrences we need to investigate with the excrement from idiocies like a living Elvis or Reptilian Overlords?

Next time, I hope to be able to read something on this subject that is a little more enlightening than simply throwing crap at a wall to see what sticks.

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You forgot
Posted by: xmvince on May 28, 2009 9:36 AM   
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My favorite conspiracy theory that's not listed here is that governments throughout the ages have used religion simply in order to help control the people (so they think if they do something bad they will be punished in the afterlife).

Any comments on that one?

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credible 911 truth movement - look at the people coming forward
Posted by: desmodroid on May 28, 2009 9:49 AM   
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i posted this on another thread.....

911 truth is not reserved for the fringe, some people very high up in politics have come forward:

former president of Italy:

"...in the front lines being those of the Italian centre-left, now know well that the disastrous attack was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and to persuade the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Cossiga

Ex-Bush Official Exposes 9/11 As Inside Job:

"Reynolds stated that everyone in the worldwide intelligence community knew that 9/11 was an inside job as soon as it happened, with the obvious stand-down of US air defenses, controlled demolition of the World Trade Center, and non-protection of the President in Florida being the biggest tip-offs."

(for following link, remove the space between "/" and "ex-bush..."
www.rinf.com/columnists/news/ ex-bush-official-exposes-911-as-inside-job

Andreas von Bulow German Federal Ministry of Defence (1976-1980) and Minister for Research and Technology (1980-1982), both during the Chancellor Helmut Schmidt administration, and was regarded as a "rising star" of German politics at the time:

"Planning the attacks was a master deed, in technical and organizational terms. To hijack four big airliners within a few minutes and fly them into targets within a single hour and doing so on complicated flight routes! That is unthinkable, without backing from the secret apparatuses of state and industry."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_von_B%C3%BClow

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missed conspiracy
Posted by: hughjones on May 28, 2009 9:58 AM   
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Surely those of us who are totally convinced that the attack on Pearl Harbor was not a surprise to Roosevelt and the intelligence agencies deserve a spot in the top ten. http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html

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Shameful
Posted by: willymack on May 28, 2009 9:57 AM   
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Lots of things in life are shameful, like crooked politics, willful ignorance, and disrespect of our fellow humans, for no other reason than their opinions, which may differ from what we consider the truth.
What's even more shameful is covering up the truth of horrible crimes like the Kennedy assinations and 911. The truth has yet to be told about these crimes, but whatever that truth is, it's obvious that SOMETHING was covered up in these cases, and our government (remember those people, the ones who are supposed to be working for US, and not the other way around?) wants to keep it that way.
This article is shameful in that it lumps the Kennedy assinations and 911 together with lunatic fringe crap normally seen in supermarket tabloids, and sets up those who don't buy the insulting lies, obfuscations, and omissions in both the Warren Commission Report and the 911 Commission Report for sneering derision and ridicule. That's what the rethugs do, and it's shameful too.

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DIVINE CAROLINE & SASHA PAVE
Posted by: bepa on May 28, 2009 9:59 AM   
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This will give some idea of the source for this article... Divine Caroline


http://www.crunchbase.com/person/sasha-pave

partial quote

"Sasha is responsible for the flagship website DivineCaroline. His roles include advertising product development, website product development and General Management.
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Previous to CNET, Sasha led the Interaction Design team at award- winning creative agency AKQA. Spanning three disciplines: Informa- tion Architecture, User Interface, and Interaction Design, Sasha led clients such as Nike and Microsoft Xbox.

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His focus was on emerging technologies and moving large brands into the online space. He launched the first dynamic data- driven flash-based TV commercial as well as the first mobile Palm- based ad platform. Lot21 has been recognized by Advertising Age as “2002 Media Agency of the Year”, by Adweek as one of the “2001 Hottest Agencies of the Year”, by BtoB magazine as “2001 Hottest Agency of the Year” and by the IAB as the “1999 Agency of the
Year”."


ALTERNET PLEASE TELL US HOW THIS ARTICLE WAS CHOSEN AND ABOUT THE AUTHOR.

Divine Caroline is a fluff web site but then here it is asking for opinions about Islam

Islam,what is it?

Imo that was a focus group set up to help some group understand what people knew about the Muslim religion.

Imo this article about Conspiracy Theories on Alternet is being used to sample opinions about conspiracy theories.. but who is behind this sampling and who is reading the posts here?

We are providing a focus group for someone...

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Perhaps This is to Gain a List of 9/11 Truthers
Posted by: edgar_michel on May 28, 2009 10:10 AM   
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Either Alternet is run by very incompetant people, or this article is designed to pull those who question the governments theory of the 9/11 conspiracy (the coordinated actions of more than a single actor) out of the woodwork so that they can be identified. Maybe we've all been had.

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DIVINE CAROLINE
Posted by: bobcoejr on May 28, 2009 10:10 AM   
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HAVE ANY OF YOU WENT TO THE DIVINE CAROLINE WEBSITE????????
TRY IT, YOU WILL SEE WHERE ALL THIS BOGUS CRAP ALTERNET PUTS OUT COMES FROM..
AND WHY THEY POST ANYTHING FROM DIVINE CAROLINE IS A MYSTERY..

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The author combines Little Green Men, Elvis and 9/11
Posted by: ron heringhauser on May 28, 2009 10:12 AM   
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Typical government psyops. Throw in a few strawmen to discredit truthful questions. So, if you are a 9/11 truther you also believe in flying saucers, little green aliens and Elvis. The people of the world are not that naieve. There will be a new investigation (a truthful one) and charges will be forthcoming. Like it or not.

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Myth Number 11
Posted by: Gaubladt on May 28, 2009 10:16 AM   
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The Bush Administration know that 9/11 would happen and did nothing except to avoid the use of commercial air flights, and to give their freinds at Enron a heads up.
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Cooooooooould beeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Wow, what an ignorant article
Posted by: jennykre on May 28, 2009 10:18 AM   
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Who wrote this article anyway? The ignorance of it makes me feel like i can't trust the news coming from AlterNet any longer. i take exception with several of the points she made, but my biggest contention is with the comments on 9/11. There are way too many discrepancies with the "official" 9/11 story for anyone with even the slimmest of critical thinking skills to swallow that one. Come on, a building coming down that wasn't hit by a plane, traces of thermite found in the debris, and the fact that the debris was shipped out of the country before anyone could do an investigation on it, and we're supposed to buy the government's story hook line and sinker? An administration that didn't know how not to lie about anything and everything it was doing? An administration that used that event to it's greatest advantage? And after hearing Cheney's comments over the last week does anyone have any doubts that he cares about the American people at all and that he wouldn't let something like that happen if it gave him greater power, which it did? What about Congressman Norm Mineta's comments, who was with Cheney when 9/11 was happening? I must say that I don't think I can trust the news coming from Alternet any longer if they're going to continue spouting this dribble. Shame on you, Alternet, for allowing such a nutball article to appear on your site.

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is Author's simple answers for ever thing is funny
Posted by: psgl19 on May 28, 2009 10:30 AM   
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If we consider 6 companies control every media , every TV, radio, newpapaper, news collection agencies and dissipate the information to 6 billion people, once can easily say that why these conflict of opinions exist.

Fire doesn't exit with out fuel and the fuel is the curiosity of truth seeking people of this planet not the owners or direct or indirectly inlfuenced puppets of these 6 conglomarates.

Human brain contains trillions of cells and works with associations of impressions. By associating all these complicated subjects , researches by motivated individuals against all odds and against all debunking and suppression, the authors clearly telling every body that they are part of the same 'Conspiracy'

> The simplest explanation is always the most likely." However, when something shocking or catastrophic happens in our lives, simple explanations just aren't satisfying. We crave deeper reason and meaning and when that isn't given to us, sometimes we create our own.

simple breath for a second, initiates trillions of reactions in body. is that simple ?. Ignorance is simple and bliss ful.
you want simple answers for every thing , look at your self in mirror and ask your self 'how truthful you are for writing this article.

It is Very sorry to see Alternet becoming another mainstream media outlet.

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The biggest conspiracy theory of all
Posted by: dgoza on May 28, 2009 11:16 AM   
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This otherwise highly entertaining article omits the biggest conspiracy theory of all: that a deity made us, controls the world and will soon bring it all to a preordained conclusion.

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Intellectual Arrogance
Posted by: magistre on May 28, 2009 11:17 AM   
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"And there stood the Adult-Vicki patting all of us poor mindless-children over our "mis-thinking"".
All of the cited cases have enough anomalies that cause a real thinking person to "step back" and ask what's really going on here. Evidently there are still people (like Vicki)who are scared sh**less that the "Official Story" ain't so.
If we're so loony here are three questions. If you can answer them then you may have a point"

(1) Lee Harvey Oswald was witnessed in the Depository cafeteria within 2 minutes of the assassination getting a cup of coffee out of (removing)from a coffee machine. May I remind you we are dealing with Oswald not the "Flash"!

(2) At Roswell, the man who identified the wreckage as a flying saucer was the Base Intelligence Officer, the intelligence officer of the (at the time) only nuclear air-wing in the U.S. Air force. Are you telling us that he couldn't identify a weather balloon, something he would be intimately familiar with?

(3) The Pentagon is a particularly reinforced building. There is a video on you-tube showing a reinforced airframe (fighter-jet) on a rocket sled ramming into a concrete barrier and being totally destroyed. The "commercial airliner" (un-reinforced airframe) that crashed into the Pentagon should have made one big fire-ball and left its wreckage on the exterior of the Pentagon with no major penetration.

Vicki, can you explain any of these three anomolies?

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Vicki Santillano and Divine Caroline are pathetic!
Posted by: atomic on May 28, 2009 11:22 AM   
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This is the worst excuse for an article I have ever seen. FIrst of all there are so many problems with conflating so many issues under one banner these authors should be sent back to grade school.

My only question is ... are these two brain dead writers complete idiots? There are legitimate questions about more than one of their so called list that any intelligent person can recognize.

By lumping these items together in a salad these so called writers presume that there is no difference between them. This is a very lazy and poorly written article that attempts to manipulate the reader into some sort of absurd conclusion.

Santillano and Caroline are amateurs at best and at worst are foolish little girls. That's for sure.

That I am disappointed in the editor at AlterNet is an understatement.

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Roll eyes
Posted by: voitelas on May 28, 2009 11:26 AM   
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Dear AlterNet

This article deserves one big, warm and sincere

ROLL EYES :-/

and a thumbs down.

Someone should make a psychological analysis of the profile of people who refuse to even consider that things might not be as our dear leaders say they are.

These funny personalities have the tendency to project their unconscious fear of what is actually happening to them on independent thinkers and call them 'crazy' an such. Go figure.

I don't know if all the theories mentioned in the article are true or not, but I do know that a few of them have a very good case based on evidence, and I also know that putting them on the table for serious and rational analysis does not make anyone abnormal.

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Transformed by Turkoise
Posted by: atomic on May 28, 2009 11:33 AM   
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This article is real bottom of the barrel kind of crap. Check our "her" web site.

Divine Caroline is more like an expert shopper than someone who should be writing articles on AlterNet. I mean she has one article on there titled "Transformed by Turkoise". Now there is a conspiracy for ya ...

Pleeeease ... get this foolish nut a writing class for golly sake.

http://www.divinecaroline.com/

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good one
Posted by: caru on May 28, 2009 11:41 AM   
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thank you.

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AlterNet just dropped 1000 feet with no resistance.
Posted by: atomic on May 28, 2009 11:42 AM   
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AlterNet just dropped 1000 feet with no resistance. Must be controlled demolition of our concerns about the facts.

God I am sick of all media that continues to ignore the facts about 911 ... because let's face it ... that's what this article is about ... as if elements of our government don't regularly bake the truth and conspire to do all sorts of illegal and manipulative actions all over the world.

We are right in the middle of a crises where the "United States" has been compromised by an elite ruling class. What's a few asbestos filled buildings to them when they can reorganize the world financial order to benefit them.

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Oooh! Oooh! I Got One!
Posted by: ranchero42 on May 28, 2009 11:44 AM   
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One of my cousin's favorite theories goes like this: As Secretary of the Navy, Teddy Roosevelt got the Spanish American war going. U.S. Navy ship go boom. On Theo's advice, FDR became Assistant Secretary of the Navy under Woodrow Wilson. Another ship mysteriously blows up, we're in the war. Seriously, where DOES this crap come from?

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people who wont see
Posted by: caru on May 28, 2009 11:48 AM   
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will even see a little by reading this.

the conspiracys that are true will be revealed, that is certain.

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This article is trash
Posted by: DJ BALL on May 28, 2009 11:49 AM   
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Pure garbage.
The Official 911 Conspiracy defies physics and common sense.
Stop pushing Bush Lies when it comes to 911.

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weak
Posted by: cbishopp on May 28, 2009 11:57 AM   
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This article has all the research and depth to be printed on the back of a cereal box.
To equate the events of 911 and the Kennedy assassination to aliens and the death of Elvis is trivializing and accomplishes what "debunkers" are trying hardest to do...equating all theories as conspiracy theories and as a result making them sound crazy.
Most of the world thinks that the present explanation for 911 as offered by the government is false or at the very least insuffiecient. Americans more than anyone have supported the lies that Arabs alone acted to crash planes into three buildings on 911. Those successful crashes were two into the World Trade Center towers which completely destroyed the buildings (though they were designed for such an impact) as well as a another steel building nearby that no plane hit at all, and the Pentagon which suffered minor damage even though it was hit in the same way.
Any thinking person can see the inconsistencies of the government's story about both the death of Kennedy and the events of 911. Both have nothing to do with Elvis.

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The Gods of Eden and The Underworld Empire
Posted by: caru on May 28, 2009 12:18 PM   
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