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Right-Wing Radio Host Gets Waterboarded, and Lasts Six Seconds Before Saying It's Torture
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Chicago radio host Erich "Mancow" Muller decided he'd get himself waterboarded to prove the technique wasn't torture.
It didn't turn out that way. "Mancow," in fact, lasted just six or seven seconds before crying foul. Apparently, the experience went pretty badly -- "Witnesses said Muller thrashed on the table, and even instantly threw the toy cow he was holding as his emergency tool to signify when he wanted the experiment to stop," according to NBC Chicago.
"The average person can take this for 14 seconds," Marine Sergeant Clay South told his audience before he was waterboarded on air. "He's going to wiggle, he's going to scream, he's going to wish he never did this."
Mancow was set on a 7-foot long table with his legs elevated and his feet tied.
"I wanted to prove it wasn't torture," Mancow said. "They cut off our heads, we put water on their face...I got voted to do this but I really thought 'I'm going to laugh this off.' "
The upshot? "It is way worse than I thought it would be, and that's no joke," Mancow told listeners. "It is such an odd feeling to have water poured down your nose with your head back...It was instantaneous...and I don't want to say this: absolutely torture."
"Absolutely. I mean that's drowning," he added later. "It is the feeling of drowning."
"If I knew it was gonna be this bad, I would not have done it," he said.
The 42-year-old radio host is no stranger to controversy. In 2005, he was maligned for saying that then-Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean was "vile," "bloodthirsty," "evil" and "should be kicked out of America."
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Someone want to take up a collection to get those donations up?
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Posted by: brianct on May 22, 2009 5:49 PM
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Wil Obama choose to be waterboarded? Will Bibi?
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» He should know it. Its been defined as torture for centuries. nm
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» Or a little education. From Reuters, Obama's words on waterboarding. Cheney is criticizing Obama .
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Posted by: socrates2 on May 22, 2009 6:15 PM
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I know cops who personally have allowed themselves to be "tazed_ in "order to know what it's like."
Problem is that we all have a unique nervous system, different pain thresholds, different types of muscles, and different hearts. When tazed, some die, some live.
By the way, this reported "waterboarding" scenario is fake for the reason I previously stated. As Humphrey Bogart once said in a noir film, "Torture is only effective if it carries the threat of death."
So far this guy and Hitchens operated with a "safety net"/kill-switch.
And if slow-motion _drowning_--which the euphemistically named "waterboarding" is--isn't torture, nothing is. After 3 to 5 minutes with _water in the lungs_, the typical person either drowns or goes into cardiac seizure. Give me a break! People have died under "waterboarding."
That this "debate" persists and continues to monopolize our national discourse says something about the perverse geniuses who framed this particular "issue!"
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Posted by: Jeanne on May 22, 2009 6:41 PM
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Now, let's acknowledge that ordering this technique be used on prisoners is a violation of US and international law. And, what should happen to those who violate the law? That's right, children, they should be waterbo--... I mean, prosecuted.
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Posted by: nobyjingo on May 22, 2009 7:04 PM
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All of the waterboarding torturers should be in jail waiting trial, not running around free, and speaking on television trying to make torture legal.
Torture is illegal and must stay illegal. Yoo, Bybee and Gonzales changing the law to be able to torture puts our country back in medieval times, which is more conservatively EXTREME than our national and international laws allow, and unless our government plans on taking our country back to Medieval times, torture should be admitted, stopped and the torturers punished. Obama has stated that waterboarding is torture, but apparently the right-wing media is holding out for it to be a cake walk.
Torture is sick and the people who torture are sick, probably pulled the legs off little insects when they were young for fun. These type of people need psychiatric help, not be leading the country.
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Posted by: aspasia58 on May 22, 2009 7:22 PM
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He's the Paris Hilton of local radio-a brainless attention whore.
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Posted by: troy on May 22, 2009 8:22 PM
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Also, notice what was not said in regards to Muller's backfiring demonstration: he new it would end as soon as he wanted it to-in this case a pathetic few seconds. The detainee (90+% as we now know have had nothing to do with terrorism) does not know if he will be killed, if his family is safe, and what other forms of torture await him. It is also a safe bet that he will be subjected to demoralizing psycological torture as well. The lack of this obvious consideration in the media generally suggests that the NPD is endemic in the main stream media and among our politicians.
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Posted by: frank69 on May 22, 2009 8:39 PM
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Bush should therefore volunteer to be waterboarded because he said it's not torture.
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Posted by: Jaffe on May 23, 2009 1:06 AM
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Hell, if Mancow didn't make it, we'd be less one right-wing radio host. No biggie.
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Posted by: joeocho88 on May 23, 2009 2:33 AM
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And maybe they need to be UNEMPLOYED with the rest of us so they will know what it is like TO LIVE IN FEAR!
LIVING IN AN UNEMPLOYMENT HELL NOT KNOWING WHEN YOU WILL SEE YOUR NEXT PAYCHECK OR OF YOU WILL EVER WORK AGAIN IS TORTURE TOO!
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The prosecutions would have begun immediately.
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Posted by: shill on May 23, 2009 3:46 AM
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is torture, knew it when they authorized its use, and Mr. Obama knows it too, as did many of the Democrats who were in power at the time it was authorized. Now "Mancow" knows it. NEXT??!!?
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Posted by: The Eagle on May 23, 2009 4:30 AM
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As the years progressed and the US gained stature among nations it to started to cry “Foul” when others used “innovative techniques” to carry on their diplomatic efforts.But there are other considerations too. For openers, there is a distinction made between civilians and military personnel in all conflicts. The military has certain “rights” if captured and the civilians are to be avoided if possible and cared for if an incident occurs. There are exceptions. Persons performing military duties but dressed as civilians are considered “Spies’ and aer subject to execution if caught.
The key here being “Military duties.” In Viet Nam the US faced an enemy with distinctly different ideas on warfare. They routinely used children, even babies, as weapons. But then again, if you can’t conceive of “using an airplane as a weapon…. A missle” it is highly unlikely you could think of using a baby. When preparing for combat duty in VietNam you were taught not to touch anything you didn’t put there yourself. That was because everything was a booby trap. The US Military publishes manuals in IEDs. The other sie uses them. Why/ because they work. As usual the US supplies both sides in the conflict.
In gulf I ther was a CNN news team in civilian clothes sending live Bomb Damage Assessments back to the US military live and in color. An Iraqi colonel told them to shut down. He should have shot them on the spot. They were spies – clean and simple. But he didn’t and Iraq lost that war. The US championed the “Freedom” fighters in Afghanistan until Russia pulled out. Then they discovered what they had created;the Taliban. You reap what you sow.
I think an appropriate use for waterboarding – especially by the US military is the application during congressional hearings on things like White Water and the 911 commission. Might have found out some really interesting things there too. But that can never happen. Collegiality prevails and the US congress – to the last man or woman or whatever has one thought – getting to the Big chair mentioned earlier. It is never going to change. As a sitting member of congress published some time ago – “Democracy is NOT freedom.” That it true. Another name for Democracy is “Mob Rule.” In the US the Mob is organized crime. The two largest gangs are not in New York and New Jersey. They are in the Senate and House and are called Demopulbicans and Republicrats.Dump them both, dump the Fed and get back to a gold standard for your money. While you can, if you still can.
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» Sure, but How 'bout we stay on topic for now?
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Posted by: PJAW on May 23, 2009 4:55 AM
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Why is it that when one of these phoney chickenhawk motherfu**ers finally faces the truth, it somehow means more in people's minds. Honest, intelligent people have been saying for years that this is torture, and somehow that's just not believable. But pour water up the nose of one of these freakoid butt nuggets and have him scream torture and suddenly "I guess it is after all".
And remember, this is just one of many "techniques" being used that are torture. In my opinion, way too much attention is being paid to this one act, which in truth is probably one of the less disgusting things being done. My concern is, too much emphasis is being placed on "waterboarding", as though it's the only, or most horrific, technique being used. If we come out on the other end of this discussion with waterboarding being the only form of torture being specifically prohibited, we will have lost a great deal and severely compromised our moral imperative (if we in fact ever truly had one).
We need to emphasize that all torture is wrong and we need to stop all of it, not just waterboarding.
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Posted by: sausage on May 23, 2009 6:08 AM
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But the one thing he showed is that he has more guts than Sean "Waterboard Me for Charity! For the Troops!" Hannity.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on May 23, 2009 7:07 AM
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Why, though, are we now having this debate in the first place when this has been considered torture by people who have done it to others or have had it done to them for literally centuries????
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Posted by: Midway54 on May 23, 2009 8:32 AM
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Sean Hannutsy, cowardly buffoon at Fox; Chickenhawk Cheney; and Karl Rove, a miserable wretch, who. like Hannutsy, enjoys the adoration of ignorant rednecks and pathetic Dupes across the Country but centered in the dusty outbacks of relentless boredom, Bibleland.
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Posted by: xvet on May 23, 2009 8:48 AM
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He had no choice he would have no credibility at all if he just said that it wasn't torture. He put himself into this position. It was like getting caught with his pants down. I don't think that should be considered honesty but an admission of his own stupidity. Stupid for not realizing that waterboarding is torture and even more stupid by volunteering for it.
Now if only more of these real men would do the same, but that isn't going to happen because the smarter ones don't want to actually admit they are that stupid.
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Posted by: beijaflor on May 23, 2009 10:50 AM
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Ok, so a loudmouthed rightwingerdinger admits that waterboarding IS torture. Great.
What about hot/cold, loud shit music 24/7, holding "stress" positions for hours/weeks, sleep deprivation on end, solitary confinement for years???
Still willing to call this shit "enhanced" interrogation?
What has been done to the people in Guantanamo and Abu and other infamous centers of torture has created a class of batshit crazy mentally effed up humans; no wonder they can not be released. Thanks Mr Cheney et all for creating 'terrorists'!
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on May 23, 2009 1:37 PM
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He was new and fresh, yet slowly but surely, he progressively became an absolute dick. He regularly verbally abused his co-workers on the air and finally began talking about his Bible and his gun. That's when I finally never listened to him ever again. I was done with Mancow.
There is a sick fascination conservatives have with hurting others emotionally, vandalizing intellectual honesty, and being in absolute love with physical abuse. This is easily seen in Hannity, Mancow, Limbaugh, evangelical preachers, Bush, Cheney. All of them have publicly upheld those three attributes (and more).
They're mentally deficient people. Mancow might be semi-famous, but he's still a dick. And looky here. Now that he's gotten a taste of his own medicine he figured out what's real and what's a fantasy in his head.
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Posted by: abprosper on May 23, 2009 3:44 PM
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He showed a lot more backbone than most right wing radio hosts and thats worth something. He may be wrong on issues (I don't listen to his show) but at least he is a real man
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Posted by: Dboy on May 23, 2009 8:50 PM
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From CBS News (2004 report):
In 2004, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld . . . warned that videos and photos yet to come could further inflame worldwide outrage...
Also in 2004, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told reporters, "The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience."
The government is not ONLY withholding images of torture. It is ALSO withholding images of rape and murder, including - apparently - the sodomy of boys.
Erich "Mancow" Muller....time to spread your cheeks, the REAL US Torture Prison Experience has only just begun.
Looks like some of our "returning heroes" had poo on their penises. Such bravery.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 24, 2009 6:31 AM
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You don't need no stinkin' waterboard- just a Friendly cohort and a cable news channel video Camera- Cheney is Singing like a Mockingbird!
Hell Have more FOX mouthpieces interview him daily- He'll boast (confess) to who he had Whacked too."You're Right Sean, Bhuoto was a bitch and would have screwed up Our agenda - so we had her assasinated.Kept the others in line don't ya think? Hell the War Corps are making money hand over fist now that we're in Pakistan too. Halliburton has thanked me a Billion times over" wink wink.
Come on even a know nothing couch potato knows if you offer 'sympathy'. 'empathy' or 'understanding' to their plight- people love to spill their guts. Even better if they are offered the opportunity to broadcast their Manifestos. I'm not sure who's better at confessing their atrocities Cheney or Bin Laden-A 'Pulpit' is the archilles heel of any Meglomaniac.
Keep Talking DICK...'Anything You Say CAN & WILL be held against you in a Court of Law'- Roll Tape.
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BTW, the same policy of indefinite detention our new president, Barack Obushma, refuses to end.
Don't kid yourselves, Obama is nothing more than Bush-light. Anyone, especially the president, who has knowledge of criminal activity and fails in their duty to investigate and prosecute it becomes an accomplice in that criminal activity. Period.
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Imagine what it is like for those who know they will face it several times a day every day, with no hope that it will ever end. I suppose they end up hoping for the lesser tortures to happen now and then as some comfort. If it works, why is it done to one person over 100 times? What more could they possibly give, but maybe pleasure to the sadists doing it.
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Especially if they are as dreary as last Thursday's, which was so disingenuous and self-reverential as to be one of the low moments of his presidency. Besides not being able to clearly lay out his plan for Guantanamo detainees, Obama never mentioned what will happen to others we capture in Iraq and Afghanistan. Perhaps we will take no more prisoners?
Meanwhile, the occasion showed that Cheney, the darkest of dark horses, is emerging as a fact checker in exile. With Democrats holding all Washington power, the ex-veep's willingness to challenge Obama's narrative of the war on terror is a poor substitute for an institutional check-and-balance, but it's all we have.
In that sense, Cheney's ability to outduel Obama could mark a turning point in the debate on this and other critical issues. His TKO over the President recalls the three most important things in real estate: Location, location, location.
The key to Cheney's powerful performance: Facts, facts, facts.
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When they do, they'll discover he's so full of "facts", his eye's will be a dark, excremental BROWN. This unabashed attempt to appear factual and unrepentant is one of his last chances to do so before his criminal ass is dragged before a tribunal or arrested and extradited by a foreign power for crimes against humanity.
The Right Wing Media Machine is coming apart as the weasels begin scrambling and preparing statements driven by the instinct for self preservation.
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Come on, you big mouth, blow hard, POS. 6 seconds is all you have to beat,
you mental case! Let Olbermann give his money to charity, loser.
Ahhh...
I didn't think so.
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Someone want to take up a collection to get those donations up?
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Wil Obama choose to be waterboarded? Will Bibi?
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Posted by: socrates2 on May 22, 2009 6:15 PM
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I know cops who personally have allowed themselves to be "tazed_ in "order to know what it's like."
Problem is that we all have a unique nervous system, different pain thresholds, different types of muscles, and different hearts. When tazed, some die, some live.
By the way, this reported "waterboarding" scenario is fake for the reason I previously stated. As Humphrey Bogart once said in a noir film, "Torture is only effective if it carries the threat of death."
So far this guy and Hitchens operated with a "safety net"/kill-switch.
And if slow-motion _drowning_--which the euphemistically named "waterboarding" is--isn't torture, nothing is. After 3 to 5 minutes with _water in the lungs_, the typical person either drowns or goes into cardiac seizure. Give me a break! People have died under "waterboarding."
That this "debate" persists and continues to monopolize our national discourse says something about the perverse geniuses who framed this particular "issue!"
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Posted by: Jeanne on May 22, 2009 6:41 PM
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Now, let's acknowledge that ordering this technique be used on prisoners is a violation of US and international law. And, what should happen to those who violate the law? That's right, children, they should be waterbo--... I mean, prosecuted.
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All of the waterboarding torturers should be in jail waiting trial, not running around free, and speaking on television trying to make torture legal.
Torture is illegal and must stay illegal. Yoo, Bybee and Gonzales changing the law to be able to torture puts our country back in medieval times, which is more conservatively EXTREME than our national and international laws allow, and unless our government plans on taking our country back to Medieval times, torture should be admitted, stopped and the torturers punished. Obama has stated that waterboarding is torture, but apparently the right-wing media is holding out for it to be a cake walk.
Torture is sick and the people who torture are sick, probably pulled the legs off little insects when they were young for fun. These type of people need psychiatric help, not be leading the country.
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He's the Paris Hilton of local radio-a brainless attention whore.
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Also, notice what was not said in regards to Muller's backfiring demonstration: he new it would end as soon as he wanted it to-in this case a pathetic few seconds. The detainee (90+% as we now know have had nothing to do with terrorism) does not know if he will be killed, if his family is safe, and what other forms of torture await him. It is also a safe bet that he will be subjected to demoralizing psycological torture as well. The lack of this obvious consideration in the media generally suggests that the NPD is endemic in the main stream media and among our politicians.
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Bush should therefore volunteer to be waterboarded because he said it's not torture.
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Hell, if Mancow didn't make it, we'd be less one right-wing radio host. No biggie.
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And maybe they need to be UNEMPLOYED with the rest of us so they will know what it is like TO LIVE IN FEAR!
LIVING IN AN UNEMPLOYMENT HELL NOT KNOWING WHEN YOU WILL SEE YOUR NEXT PAYCHECK OR OF YOU WILL EVER WORK AGAIN IS TORTURE TOO!
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The prosecutions would have begun immediately.
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is torture, knew it when they authorized its use, and Mr. Obama knows it too, as did many of the Democrats who were in power at the time it was authorized. Now "Mancow" knows it. NEXT??!!?
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Posted by: The Eagle on May 23, 2009 4:30 AM
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As the years progressed and the US gained stature among nations it to started to cry “Foul” when others used “innovative techniques” to carry on their diplomatic efforts.But there are other considerations too. For openers, there is a distinction made between civilians and military personnel in all conflicts. The military has certain “rights” if captured and the civilians are to be avoided if possible and cared for if an incident occurs. There are exceptions. Persons performing military duties but dressed as civilians are considered “Spies’ and aer subject to execution if caught.
The key here being “Military duties.” In Viet Nam the US faced an enemy with distinctly different ideas on warfare. They routinely used children, even babies, as weapons. But then again, if you can’t conceive of “using an airplane as a weapon…. A missle” it is highly unlikely you could think of using a baby. When preparing for combat duty in VietNam you were taught not to touch anything you didn’t put there yourself. That was because everything was a booby trap. The US Military publishes manuals in IEDs. The other sie uses them. Why/ because they work. As usual the US supplies both sides in the conflict.
In gulf I ther was a CNN news team in civilian clothes sending live Bomb Damage Assessments back to the US military live and in color. An Iraqi colonel told them to shut down. He should have shot them on the spot. They were spies – clean and simple. But he didn’t and Iraq lost that war. The US championed the “Freedom” fighters in Afghanistan until Russia pulled out. Then they discovered what they had created;the Taliban. You reap what you sow.
I think an appropriate use for waterboarding – especially by the US military is the application during congressional hearings on things like White Water and the 911 commission. Might have found out some really interesting things there too. But that can never happen. Collegiality prevails and the US congress – to the last man or woman or whatever has one thought – getting to the Big chair mentioned earlier. It is never going to change. As a sitting member of congress published some time ago – “Democracy is NOT freedom.” That it true. Another name for Democracy is “Mob Rule.” In the US the Mob is organized crime. The two largest gangs are not in New York and New Jersey. They are in the Senate and House and are called Demopulbicans and Republicrats.Dump them both, dump the Fed and get back to a gold standard for your money. While you can, if you still can.
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Why is it that when one of these phoney chickenhawk motherfu**ers finally faces the truth, it somehow means more in people's minds. Honest, intelligent people have been saying for years that this is torture, and somehow that's just not believable. But pour water up the nose of one of these freakoid butt nuggets and have him scream torture and suddenly "I guess it is after all".
And remember, this is just one of many "techniques" being used that are torture. In my opinion, way too much attention is being paid to this one act, which in truth is probably one of the less disgusting things being done. My concern is, too much emphasis is being placed on "waterboarding", as though it's the only, or most horrific, technique being used. If we come out on the other end of this discussion with waterboarding being the only form of torture being specifically prohibited, we will have lost a great deal and severely compromised our moral imperative (if we in fact ever truly had one).
We need to emphasize that all torture is wrong and we need to stop all of it, not just waterboarding.
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But the one thing he showed is that he has more guts than Sean "Waterboard Me for Charity! For the Troops!" Hannity.
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Why, though, are we now having this debate in the first place when this has been considered torture by people who have done it to others or have had it done to them for literally centuries????
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Good Show, Old Bean!
Good Show, indeed!
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Sean Hannutsy, cowardly buffoon at Fox; Chickenhawk Cheney; and Karl Rove, a miserable wretch, who. like Hannutsy, enjoys the adoration of ignorant rednecks and pathetic Dupes across the Country but centered in the dusty outbacks of relentless boredom, Bibleland.
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Posted by: xvet on May 23, 2009 8:48 AM
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He had no choice he would have no credibility at all if he just said that it wasn't torture. He put himself into this position. It was like getting caught with his pants down. I don't think that should be considered honesty but an admission of his own stupidity. Stupid for not realizing that waterboarding is torture and even more stupid by volunteering for it.
Now if only more of these real men would do the same, but that isn't going to happen because the smarter ones don't want to actually admit they are that stupid.
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Ok, so a loudmouthed rightwingerdinger admits that waterboarding IS torture. Great.
What about hot/cold, loud shit music 24/7, holding "stress" positions for hours/weeks, sleep deprivation on end, solitary confinement for years???
Still willing to call this shit "enhanced" interrogation?
What has been done to the people in Guantanamo and Abu and other infamous centers of torture has created a class of batshit crazy mentally effed up humans; no wonder they can not be released. Thanks Mr Cheney et all for creating 'terrorists'!
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on May 23, 2009 1:37 PM
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He was new and fresh, yet slowly but surely, he progressively became an absolute dick. He regularly verbally abused his co-workers on the air and finally began talking about his Bible and his gun. That's when I finally never listened to him ever again. I was done with Mancow.
There is a sick fascination conservatives have with hurting others emotionally, vandalizing intellectual honesty, and being in absolute love with physical abuse. This is easily seen in Hannity, Mancow, Limbaugh, evangelical preachers, Bush, Cheney. All of them have publicly upheld those three attributes (and more).
They're mentally deficient people. Mancow might be semi-famous, but he's still a dick. And looky here. Now that he's gotten a taste of his own medicine he figured out what's real and what's a fantasy in his head.
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Posted by: shd1230 on May 23, 2009 2:20 PM
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Posted by: abprosper on May 23, 2009 3:44 PM
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He showed a lot more backbone than most right wing radio hosts and thats worth something. He may be wrong on issues (I don't listen to his show) but at least he is a real man
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Posted by: Dboy on May 23, 2009 8:50 PM
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From CBS News (2004 report):
In 2004, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld . . . warned that videos and photos yet to come could further inflame worldwide outrage...
Also in 2004, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told reporters, "The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience."
The government is not ONLY withholding images of torture. It is ALSO withholding images of rape and murder, including - apparently - the sodomy of boys.
Erich "Mancow" Muller....time to spread your cheeks, the REAL US Torture Prison Experience has only just begun.
Looks like some of our "returning heroes" had poo on their penises. Such bravery.
dboy
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 24, 2009 6:31 AM
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You don't need no stinkin' waterboard- just a Friendly cohort and a cable news channel video Camera- Cheney is Singing like a Mockingbird!
Hell Have more FOX mouthpieces interview him daily- He'll boast (confess) to who he had Whacked too."You're Right Sean, Bhuoto was a bitch and would have screwed up Our agenda - so we had her assasinated.Kept the others in line don't ya think? Hell the War Corps are making money hand over fist now that we're in Pakistan too. Halliburton has thanked me a Billion times over" wink wink.
Come on even a know nothing couch potato knows if you offer 'sympathy'. 'empathy' or 'understanding' to their plight- people love to spill their guts. Even better if they are offered the opportunity to broadcast their Manifestos. I'm not sure who's better at confessing their atrocities Cheney or Bin Laden-A 'Pulpit' is the archilles heel of any Meglomaniac.
Keep Talking DICK...'Anything You Say CAN & WILL be held against you in a Court of Law'- Roll Tape.
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Posted by: HughCantell on May 24, 2009 11:25 AM
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BTW, the same policy of indefinite detention our new president, Barack Obushma, refuses to end.
Don't kid yourselves, Obama is nothing more than Bush-light. Anyone, especially the president, who has knowledge of criminal activity and fails in their duty to investigate and prosecute it becomes an accomplice in that criminal activity. Period.
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Posted by: reg373 on May 24, 2009 12:37 PM
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Posted by: kedikat on May 25, 2009 10:57 AM
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Imagine what it is like for those who know they will face it several times a day every day, with no hope that it will ever end. I suppose they end up hoping for the lesser tortures to happen now and then as some comfort. If it works, why is it done to one person over 100 times? What more could they possibly give, but maybe pleasure to the sadists doing it.
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Posted by: reelman on May 25, 2009 11:32 AM
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Especially if they are as dreary as last Thursday's, which was so disingenuous and self-reverential as to be one of the low moments of his presidency. Besides not being able to clearly lay out his plan for Guantanamo detainees, Obama never mentioned what will happen to others we capture in Iraq and Afghanistan. Perhaps we will take no more prisoners?
Meanwhile, the occasion showed that Cheney, the darkest of dark horses, is emerging as a fact checker in exile. With Democrats holding all Washington power, the ex-veep's willingness to challenge Obama's narrative of the war on terror is a poor substitute for an institutional check-and-balance, but it's all we have.
In that sense, Cheney's ability to outduel Obama could mark a turning point in the debate on this and other critical issues. His TKO over the President recalls the three most important things in real estate: Location, location, location.
The key to Cheney's powerful performance: Facts, facts, facts.
MICHAEL GOODWIN article
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Posted by: Lilly on May 25, 2009 4:01 PM
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Posted by: kanekoa64 on May 27, 2009 1:29 AM
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When they do, they'll discover he's so full of "facts", his eye's will be a dark, excremental BROWN. This unabashed attempt to appear factual and unrepentant is one of his last chances to do so before his criminal ass is dragged before a tribunal or arrested and extradited by a foreign power for crimes against humanity.
The Right Wing Media Machine is coming apart as the weasels begin scrambling and preparing statements driven by the instinct for self preservation.
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Posted by: Daito on May 27, 2009 5:33 AM
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Posted by: Rasplanet on May 31, 2009 8:32 AM
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Posted by: kanekoa64 on Jun 4, 2009 1:39 AM
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Come on, you big mouth, blow hard, POS. 6 seconds is all you have to beat,
you mental case! Let Olbermann give his money to charity, loser.
Ahhh...
I didn't think so.
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