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Elite Colleges Are Promoting a Culture of Selfish, Cutthroat Behavior and We Are All Paying the Price
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Like many of us, the nation's elite colleges and universities have taken a financial beating over the past year.
Among them, Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Stanford all watched their endowments shrink by about 20 percent as a result of investment losses.
Despite all their brainpower, such institutions appear to have failed to learn what every simple farmer knows: you reap what you sow. Elite colleges and professional schools bear a share of the blame for the economic crisis that now plagues them, because it is they who educated and bestowed academic credentials upon many of those who got us into this mess.
It should come as no surprise to them that many on Wall Street and in Washington have proven ethically bankrupt and without regard for people of lesser means, because their admissions policies have done much to ensure such a result.
In determining which applicants they will admit and put on the fast track, most elite higher-education institutions systematically favor people from privileged backgrounds who display selfish, cutthroat behavior. The results are campus environments where disregard for society is socially accepted, where bad people are encouraged to become worse.
Consider, for starters, how most such institutions rely on standardized admissions tests such as the SAT, even though they know perfectly well that the nation's massive test-preparation industry has severely compromised the reliability of such instruments, turning them into tools for measuring, as much as anything, wealth and willingness to seek unfair advantage.
Test-preparation programs make people better test-takers not better prospective students. They raise scores mainly by teaching various test-taking tricks, such as how to quickly spot the "sucker" answers to a multiple-choice question to improve the odds of guessing correctly. Yet many are effective enough to offer those families that can afford their fees -- typically, $500 to $1,000 -- a chance to buy their children enough extra points to transform many from also-rans into shoo-ins.
In turning a blind eye to the widespread tainting of admissions test scores, higher-education institutions argue that they lack better mechanisms for efficiently judging applicants from high schools of sharply varying quality. But many education researchers disagree and say some alternatives to such tests, such as admissions systems that give substantial weight to class rank or samples of each applicant's work, are more reliable predictors of applicants' academic performance.
Moreover, selective colleges have ulterior motives for relying on standardized admissions tests that have nothing to do with academic considerations and everything to do with their bottom lines. The more high-scoring students they admit, the higher their "selectivity" ratings in the college-ranking guides that help determine how many applicants knock on their doors each year.
And not only is sifting through applications based on test scores a lot cheaper than hiring enough people to consider each candidate carefully, but relying on such scores helps skew the process in favor of wealthier applicants, who will not need financial assistance and are likely to donate generously down the road.
If young people find that artificially inflating their test scores isn't enough to get them into a choice college, they always have the option of having someone bribe their way in with a big donation.
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Posted by: Jaffe on May 23, 2009 12:57 AM
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As a university professor, I write lots of references for students who wish to enroll in a solid doctoral program in literature. These students, who tend to be both intelligent and creative, but not wealthy and not "perfect," naturally spend time and money on their applications.
Later they show me the inevitable refusal letters and emails they receive from the elite schools: Stanford, Berkeley, UC Santa Cruz, the Ivy League group--and in every instance the letters are formulaic, without respect or human feeling.
Clearly the fancy schools are playing the global capitalist game by sustaining the precise values that universities should be contesting. In return the universities are given grants and endowments to insure that they continue pimping their student body.
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Posted by: joeocho88 on May 23, 2009 2:22 AM
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This is just real life 101.
This is the most important thing you learn at the University of Texas at Austin and apparently at other LARGE universities too.
AND GUESS WHAT PEOPLE -- THE SAME APPLIES FOR THE JOB MARKET HERE IN AUSTIN,TEXAS TOO!
Because there will ALWAYS be someone brighter, more beautiful and more talented and when it comes down to the wire WHO you know IS MORE IMPORTANT than WHAT you know.
And KNOWING that THESE DAYS and how to effectively network could make the difference between a JOB and HOMELESSNESS!
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Posted by: Honky the Nihilist VI on May 23, 2009 3:06 AM
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As our population increases, so will inequalities and conflict. Welcome to the beast that is man.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 23, 2009 3:07 AM
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Studying hard, doing your homework, and getting good grades the old-fashioned way may be preferable to cutting corners and working the system, but how is it necessarily less selfish or cutthroat? Don't you still end up with a bunch of competitive, type A people who think their own personal, material success is more important than helping others, or knowledge for its own sake?
To substantially address the behaviors described in the article would seem to require addressing the idea of meritocracy itself. It would mean a de-emphasis on standards, and an emphasis on things like each individual's contribution to knowledge, how each individual would benefit from the college experience--regardless of ability to pay--etc. This may be highly impractical, but my point is that you can't address the evils of meritocracy with more meritocracy.
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Posted by: Celtic Tiger on May 23, 2009 3:44 AM
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But it also takes aim at a soft but too narrow target.
My experience with "lesser" universities tells me that the Ayn Rand/Ronald Reagan school of "I've got mine, eff you" flourishes in both undergraduate and MBA programs in most of academia.
It's reenforced by the grants ands endowments which flow from government and corporate research funding. In fact, the impact of corporate funding in the university system is enormous and quite insidious. The corruption created has been well documented but largely ignored.
Who wants to take liberal arts or science when there's millions to be made in "finance"? The current disaster may temper that but I'm skeptical. In fact, it's probably sealed the deal for the priviledged who can still afford to go to the universities noted. It's the middle class or poorer students who graduate with massive debt that will be most affected.
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Posted by: Sojourner on May 23, 2009 3:50 AM
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I realize that I was spoiled by the '60s. We reached the brink then of some genuine change to the way US society is ordered. The frontline agitators were college and university students.
True, that effort largely failed. And the after effects were that the oligarchy was scared. So we watched them purchase the best government that money could buy.
Corruption comes in various forms. As the old song tells us, "Some will rob you with a six-gun and some with a fountain pen."
We know who has trained our pencil pushers.
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Posted by: profmarcus on May 23, 2009 4:59 AM
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I've taught as a part-time MBA professor for over 20 years in three different universities and now teach in a large, western state university. Virtually all of the students in my classes are working, early to mid-career professionals seeking to better themselves. They're not always the sharpest tacks in the box, but they're generally a dedicated bunch with a few slackers occasionally sprinkled in.
I had the opportunity to do some guest lecture slots with students from an elite, top ten, MBA program. While a number of those students had also been working professionals who returned to school, virtually all of them were of independent means, and had really big, well-paying jobs with their names attached waiting for them after graduation. They were among the most arrogant individuals I have ever encountered and, as a result, I found myself deeply grateful for not having had to deal with that kind of student in my teaching career.
Now for the really ugly perspective. In my experience, ALL of higher education is riddled with the most feudal, hide-bound, mindless institutional politics and bureaucracy imaginable. In my "day job," I work in many foreign countries as an organization development consultant and I have had the opportunity to counsel many individuals aspiring to pursue undergraduate and graduate studies in U.S. universities. While I knew from past experience that these institutions are rigid, I had no idea just HOW rigid until I started being an advocate for the admission of potential students I thought were likely candidates. Words can't describe the dismissive attitudes and pious quoting of arcane rules and regulations that I and my shocked, disbelieving foreign friends have been exposed to. Regretfully, things got to the point with one individual I was working with that I had to inform the provost of the university where I teach that I would NEVER, EVER again attempt to recruit a student for his institution.
My point is this. Higher education as a whole is a whited sepulcher that appears pure and sacred from the outside but is rotting and putrefied on the inside. The elite colleges exponentially demonstrate all of that same dysfunction while leading their students to think they're getting the best education money can buy.
And, yes, I DO take it personally
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Posted by: George DeCarlo on May 23, 2009 5:14 AM
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Yes, I have now grown tired of this section of politics in the US.
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Posted by: IsidoroRDL on May 23, 2009 6:07 AM
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As William Duane of Philadelphia, writing in 1804, stated, “[a] privileged order or class, to whom the administration of justice is given as a support, first employ their art and influence to gain legislation; they then so manage legislation as never to injure themselves; and they so manage justice as to engross the general property to themselves through the medium of litigation; and the misfortune is, that to be able to effect this point, it is attended by loss of time, by delay, expense, ill blood, bad habits, lessons of fraud and temptation to villainy, crimes, punishments, loss of estate, character and soul, public burden, and even loss of national character.”
The question for the public is to question why they again have they allowed the elitist to take control. Does anyone doubt that the political and financial crises the Republic finds itself was not caused by the elitist.
Thomas Jefferson stated, "[t]he issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite."
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Posted by: Hiroak on May 23, 2009 6:43 AM
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Then I went to College for four years, not an elite institution but saw the same stratification of society that is defined in this article. I also had many spirited discussions with Profs about the merits of American intervention and foriegn policy. I was a member of a "hippie" "fraternity" called Pi Zappa Krappa and we saw the System for what it was. Still we played the game and I went on to a miserable career where "ring knockers" (you know them, the college grads who are twenty years away from Graduation who still wear their rings, what dorks) ruled and stupidity, country club parties, and fucking golf ruled the day.
Anyway I guess all I have learned in this long life is that we are nothing but "Monkeys Gone Mad". It won't improve because most people are not inherently "Good" they are most definately inherently very "Bad" and will kill you to get what they deem neccessary.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 23, 2009 7:13 AM
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In determining which applicants they will admit and put on the fast track, most elite higher-education institutions systematically favor people from privileged backgrounds who display selfish, cutthroat behavior.
Ranting and pouting can be cathartic, but just make sure you get that behind you and start working at what you want. No use in wallowing in self pity. Good luck finding a spot where you fit in!
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Posted by: alturn on May 23, 2009 8:15 AM
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The current young generation has lived within this ultra competitive educational model at its fine-tuned cut-throat peak. Remarkably I meet many products of this system who anticipate creating a world built on cooperation and sharing. Knowing the beast intimately, the upcoming generation has many within it that have the understanding to change it. Also, their intellectual development has given them a strong foundation for developing the bridge to what ultimately matters - the soul.
Expect man's true and higher nature - the soul - to become the focus of education. The soul knows no separation and has aspects of itself of love, intuition and pure reason. The soul's nature is to serve and as more people evolve to be more connected with this quality of themselves then the goal of education will change.
The times and the evolving nature of man demand no less.
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Posted by: ellie on May 23, 2009 8:18 AM
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and you wonder why academia has problems!!!
http://fish.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/05/
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Posted by: Blondinista on May 23, 2009 8:41 AM
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I earned a degree in art nearly 30 years ago -- highly "impractical," and I have often been laughed at for it. Nevertheless, I would not change those 4 years for anything: Four years of doing something I loved, taking classes in many different disciplines, learning and enriching my life. And, in spite of it, I have always managed to support myself and my family.
Now, I worry to the point of losing sleep about my wonderful, compassionate teenage daughter who wants so badly to become a doctor (and not just any doctor, but the "Doctors without Borders" kind of doc who goes out to help people with the most desperate need).
I hope that the current state of academia will not ultimately crush her idealism and her dreams. Our world badly needs young people like her who would rather make a difference than join the country club.
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Posted by: janvdb on May 23, 2009 8:49 AM
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We may not actually send them tax money in a suitcase -- we allow them to NOT PAY IT.
Same $$ either way!!
These institutions pay no tax on the huge incomes earned on their endowments. Contributions they receive can be deducted from the taxable incomes of givers, so that is more tax money NOT RECEIVED. Most of them also pay no local property tax.
If these "private" schools were taxed like anyone else, the government would be receiving hundreds of millions of dollars every year in additional funding.
I did some round calculations and, due to the huge size of these endowments and the large incomes on them, all untaxed, the sums of federal tax NOT PAID by these instutions was about equal to all federal educational funding for all other types of education combined. Then, you have state taxes also not paid.
There is a way to fix this.
The Congress could say that the ratio of kids in a school who come from families with incomes in the top, say, 10% would determine, using a formula, the tax deductibility of the donations the schools receive and of endowment income.
Too many rich kids, your tax deductibility would be reduced by, say, 50%, or 70%, so depending on the income-bracket structure of the families of your students, they would have to start paying taxes on their incomes.
That would get their attention fast.
In just a few months, financial aid programs would spring up and suddenly, whatever adjustment in the income bracket structure of student body that was necessary to preserve their valuable tax-exempt status would become reality.
Don't just whine -- demand that it be fixed!!
IT'S OUR MONEY!!
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Snakes in suits, or snakes in corduroy....they are of the same genus.
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This is EXACTLY the kind of article that gives liberals and progressives a bad name. Blech.
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...a professor or aide sneaks up behind them, ...
...taps a spigot in the back of their heads ...
...& drains out all common decency
He may have been onto something.
Education has little to do with *learning* these days.
Take a look at the ads for 'prep' schools: they emphasize 'programs' but also emphasize, 'friendships to last a Lifetime'.
& they mean it.
It isn't about LEARNING, its about "relationships", "trust", "conformity of opinion", & best of all, "clannish exceptionalism".
The money & 'character references' are about *exclusion* not work ethic or learning capacity
Let us consider, if you will, the case of Ann Coulter & Keith Olbermann...
Of the two: WHO WENT TO THE 'REAL' Cornell?
I don't know about YOU, but to look at Olbermann, I think we know who took the ETHICS classes!
Coulter is like a living, walking, (living?) case of 'How To Lie With Statistics' (Huff) taken as *gospel* to prosperity.
Facts don't matter!: defending your sticky side for *relationships* does, right Ann?
Both Olbermann and Coulter went to Cornell, but different colleges. "Keith didn't go to the Ivy League Cornell; he went to the Old MacDonald Cornell," she writes.
Olbermann responds:
Poor Annie has completely lost it. Cornell diplomas don't make any reference to individual college or major. They're Cornell diplomas.
Mine looks exactly like hers, only if she was an out-of-stater she probably paid 8-10 times what I did for mine. And the premise of the University is that anybody can take almost any course. Nearly half of mine were in "her" Arts College.
And this is the first time since I went there in 1975 that I've ever seen a Cornellian rag on all the other colleges. It's a long way to go just to rationalize Limbaugh not knowing the Constitution from the Declaration of Independence.
Coulter, you're an emotionally stunted *bitch*: your school did you NO FAVOURS.
I suppose having a father who was an infamous Union Buster meant you could never feel sorry for the families YOUR family ruined... best if you numbed your mind, logic & spend your free time binging & purging & trying to find more black cocktail dresses that, 'hide your candy'.
Olbermann is a credit to ALL OF CORNELL... Coulter is merely a cookiecutter bookend at the ReichWing cocktail circuit.
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I do believe that students have changed a great deal since the Sixties. My son always asks me why I'm not rich when I'm so smart (I started taking classes at UC Berkeley when I was still in high school), but getting rich was never an interest of mine. I sense that today students are, for the most part, focused on making money and enjoying themselves (drinking?). Nothing could be further from the students I went to school with when I was young. School was so important that students disappeared from protests if they had a paper to write or a test for which to study. Now I see that students apparently don't study until right before the final, because the library is open ALL night just before and during finals. The young people I have worked with over the last five or six years in corporate America seem to have no interest in learning, or in anything that I can see. Perhaps they are interested in making money. I do notice that they spend it, mostly on clothes.
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Posted by: RegK on May 23, 2009 8:04 PM
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As a Harvard grad I can tall you that this writer is spot on. The snobbery and cut-throatism is grotesque--and highly valued. Snobby students describe their peers as 'presentable' or not, and as 'clubbable' or not. Creepy. I knew several students from working class backgrounds who dropped out or transferred because of this crap.
When people are impressed that I went to Harvard, I tell them not to be. While the single best teacher I ever had was at Harvard, so were 5 of the worst. I have graduate degrees from 2 public universities where the quality of instruction was far higher overall than at Harvard. Actually, I think private colleges and universities should be abolished. Education is a public function that should be performed in the public interest--especially when so much public money is involved.
The Ivy's connections to the current economic debacle is obvious--from Rubin and Summers (both Harvard) under Clinton (Yale) to the greedy clowns under Bush (Yale and Harvard) and Cheney (flunked out of Yale; not easy to do!). Similarly, the Ivy's connections to the Vietnam War, 'Reaganomics', the economic rape of eastern Europe in the 1990's, and other disaster of the late 20th century can be demonstrated as well.
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Posted by: bg41 on May 23, 2009 9:23 PM
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The anti-intellectualism on this message board is staggering, though I guess not surprising. This is a country that voted for George Bush. Twice.
Sigh. But what do I know? I'm just one of those stupid Ivy League graduates who probably got in based not on merit but on the enormous pull my father had as a high school teacher in a little farm town. Yep. I got everything handed to me on a silver platter. Good thing I'm too dumb to realize how much better off we'd be if community college students ran things.
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began to see the financial worth in letting
in the unwashed that policies began to
change.
Connections and bloodlines have always
mattered to the elite and always will.
If one does the proper research
of bloodlines, an uncanny DNA link
exists between people who are
considered elite.
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Posted by: yesman on May 23, 2009 11:04 PM
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It used to be that liberal arts colleges provided a curriculum which encouraged reflection on values and which aimed at molding responsible citizens. This mission has gone by the wayside in our collective deification of money and power. Will our current crisis spark a change of course? I have my doubts.
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I really doubt many people in the top universities are testing for intelligence. I'd think school and university is mostly about status and not ability after a certain degree of competence. I find it really hard to believe all the "A" people are going to be more able then B or C people.
It's mostly about human beings perception of a persons worth according to socially constructed hierarchy of where someone 'belongs' in the status hierarchy.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 24, 2009 4:16 AM
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You don't need a PhD in Sociology to figure that out - merely a damn dictionary and some common sense. "Trickle" indicates the measely amount that will be afforded those 'Below'. What remains will be reserved (Hoarded) for & By those at the top of the socio- economic Heirarchy.Exactly like the system our ancestors fought a Revolutiaonry War to free US from.And lets not be so naive as to think it was not passed down generation to generation- so 'Blue Bloods' remain at the Top of the Heap,decade after century. What's those names again Morgan, Rockefeller, Kennedy....Worse yet is they have not only maintained their financial status as 'Noblity', but have moved into the Gov't Houses (Of Lords?).although I am a avid Supporter of Teddy the Liberal Lion and appreciate Mr Rockefeller's stances for the most part- I do not feel these Children of priviledge should be the sole heirs to Political power.
Frankly there should be a nation wide investigation into these Colleges of Economics,Business & Poli-sci to determine what these Professors have been teaching their students in these cirriculums- perhaps the Sociology Depts should be reviewing these other programs, and making recommnadation about changes - not only to lesson plans but staffing.The Concept "Greed is Good" should not only be Rebuked, but result in 'Pink slips'.
Only a mental idiot or the morally corrupt considered Trickle Down anything other than Economic Treason. Add to that the ability to Siphon off 'liquidity' by hiding a good portion of it in off shore accounts- might as well be the Vaults of the monarchies Treasure- away from Prying eyes, the tax mans hand and inaccessible to the circular flow of financial resources throughout the system.
What ahs also occured is that these 'blue Blood' Corps have barred real access to the Market by predatory practices and destoying innovation.They kill off smaller competition by needless Direct competition via locale (Homedepot vs Mom & Pop hardware) or cutting pricing to the point that these smaller Co's can not possibley compete- once they go out of business, these montrosities can increase pricing as they see fit- "Only Game In Town". Far more egregious is their ability to force patent sales due to control over production abilities, then shelve the idea to maintain their own products profitablity (Electric car of the '80's).Thus essentially Killing accessibility to the Free Market for average citizens or small business.
Big surprise that ultimately the "Free Market" system would run dry- between hoarding, siphoning and Exclusionary tactics, our Economy has died from Dehydration.
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Posted by: Drclaw on May 24, 2009 7:03 AM
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students have organized a CSA and farmers market, reformed the food service on campus to emphasize local and organic and sustainable, they build trails in parks, work in 3rd world countries to develop infrastructure in remote, poor areas, they lobby their local legislature for energy policy. The found art collectives. I've even seen a fair number of MBA types work to develop plans for alternative energy and novel green technology.
what we need is for more people to have the opportunity to go to a solid 4 year institution if they so wish, and we need to reverse the 50 year trend of less support for higher education. State and federal money now constitutes around 30% of most public uni's input, whereas it was above 50% in the 50's. We can't simply continue to raise tuition (for both political and moral reasons)-so where's the money going to come from? All the corporatization of uni's that we all so regret is a desperate response, and one of the few alternatives left. Why as a society, do we spend more money on prison cells than classrooms?
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Posted by: lorenbliss on May 24, 2009 2:51 PM
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Thus Mr. Schmidt missed an important opportunity to show us the ultimate truth about the United States: how at all levels, federal, state or local, its government and governance serve but one purpose: the propagation of capitalism -- that is, the absolute protection of the ruling class and the total subjugation of all the rest of us. Thus too the vast rewards heaped on the powerful and the profitable -- those who own the nation’s wealth and those workers who remain exploitable for profit -- and the euthanasia by abandonment and neglect inflicted on any of us deemed unprofitable: those of us disabled, elderly, or chronically impoverished.
But the greatest failing in Mr. Schmidt’s work is his attempt to link academic testing to capitalism’s moral imbecility. This is an absurd hypothesis -- testing or not, capitalism is always moral imbecility. And anti-test rhetoric is itself a Big Lie, protecting the legions of lazy and/or incompetent public school teachers against legitimate discovery of how poorly they teach their students. It is also the latest offensive in a decades-long war to deny college educations to those of us who rebel at the bully-enforced conformity, anti-intellectuality, teacher ineptitude and glaring hypocrisy of U.S. public schools.
My own history is typical. Despite a high IQ (with exceptionally high verbal skills, reasoning ability and visual creativity), my public school grades were wretched. Growing up with a significant family library -- one of the principles of Marxism is maximum education of the working class -- I resented being taught by “teachers” who were demonstrably ignorant, often obviously stupid and in any case visibly threatened by my efforts to escape the boring mediocrity inflicted by prescribed grade-level limits. Nearly all my teachers thus despised me; thus too I was typically evaluated with maximum malice, the result of which was graduation from high school with a low-C average. Had it not been for my performance on critical tests -- the old Michigan State Comprehensives c. 1957, the scholastic-aptitude series of that same era -- I’d have never been allowed to attend college.
Not that it mattered. Though my college experience was mostly one of welcome recognition -- academic average 3.0 or better, professors who often urged me to pursue an academic career -- the odium of my public-school records (bad grades, defiant behavior, familial dysfunction, lesbian mother, Marxian father) nullified my Dean’s List appearances and permanently denied me access to the requisite scholarship money. Thus, with only the insultingly miserly Vietnam Era GI Bill, I was 36 years old before I earned my bachelors degree and had no hope of ever paying for graduate school. The value of my effort was proven few years later when a white, Harvard-educated female personnel executive said of my academic record, “obviously you weren’t serious about doing college-level work. You graduated from high school in 1958 and had all the advantages of being a white male but it still took you until 1976 to earn your BA…”
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Posted by: Anarc1ssie on May 25, 2009 6:32 AM
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The fundamental purposes of an educational system are to (1) manage the intellectual life of the country for the benefit of its ruling class, and (2) to replicate the personnel of the ruling class.
Since one person rules another, and one class rules another, only by force and fraud, we could expect a meritocracy to be worse than a ruling class populated by the heirs of the better-off because they'd be more effective.
However, when I look at history, I can't say that the meritocrats are all that effective. In the end they seem about as stupid, fraudulent, and brutally violent as the scions.
Remember "the best and the brightest"?
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The only way to address this inequity is to provide quality parent education (focusing on how to nurture and enhance their child's development) and early childhood education for all, of course especially to disadvantaged families. This is an old idea, and we have made some efforts in this direction, but we need to ramp up these efforts as part of a new New Deal. We will all benefit.
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Posted by: Jasonix on May 26, 2009 6:57 AM
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Several coalitions of colleges are boycotting participation in the US News surveys because of this. Hopefully, alternative measures will emerge that openly explain their ranking logic and show how hollow the US News rankings are.
As proof of how empty the standard college rankings are, consider this: you can get a degree from Brown University on a pass/fail basis. What kind of a joke is that? You get a leg up in life because you attended an expensive school where you could take classes pass/fail? What a sick joke.
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Posted by: yellow on May 26, 2009 12:23 PM
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I should know. I went to the UW-Madison from where many a great dissenter. C.Wright Mills received a scholarship in 1939 to get his Ph.D in sociology there and, in 1948, published the most widely used critical compilation of the works of Max Weber with UW sociologist Hans Gerth.
It was a place where Willaim A. Williams, the founder of the Revisionsist School of US history that launched the New Left and anti-war movements of the 1960s, the time in which Williams taught in Wisconsin. His best student, Thomas J. McCormick, was my teacher in the early 1980s. I suggest McCormick's America's Half Century.
It was the place where Maurice Zeitlin, a sociologist who studied the Cuban Working class under Castro, taught and promoted alternative models of third world development.
In line with this, the UW-Madison featured alternative learning institutes like The Land Tenure Center and The School for Workers which challenged free market ideas and official US policy in the US and around the world.
The History Department had radical teachers like Harvey Goldberg and public intellectuals like George Mosse. They opened up whole new worlds to students.
Universities open minds. Closed minded people cry "elitist" in an insecure and cowardly way. They scoff at University learning because it both threatens their own comfortable world and because it threatens to raise the bar in an unthinking society. This is pathetic. These are the people that need universities the most. To strike out at universities in this way is to play into the hands of those right wing forces like Horowitz and FOX News that trash University learning with McCarthyite tactics in general.
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Posted by: rclord on May 26, 2009 4:43 PM
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Needless to say, I did not fit in with those types and did not care. I was with a group of friends who were just much of an outsider as I was, and just as proud of it. We made fun of those "elite" classmates, those people that were supposed to be such big role models for us, those people we were supposed to want so much to be like. We studied hard, but we also went to clubs all the time too. I probably had much more fun than my "elite" classmates ever will.
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Posted by: lorenzodimedici1 on May 28, 2009 9:33 PM
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Clinton was cynical in his triangulations and did what he could to appease those that could help, without really having any central values. And he let Greenspan and Rubin dictate policy because anything was better than a return to the bad old days of the first half of his first term.
Bush was too stupid to resist his advisor calls for less regulation, and presided over the most idiotic and ultimately damning buildup of debt in history. His blind obedience to shaky ideas that compounded the prior Greenspan hands-off screwups. Alan Greenspan will go down in history as one of the worst public servants ever.
They both got jobbed by the PC twist in modern life. ACORN and others wanted to get their share, and figured out how to be shrill enough to use their 15 minutes at the bully pulpit of public opinion to get the housing market completely off track. Combine that with lax regulation (why not let Freddie and Fannie go hog-wild? Why regulate derivatives, even if Buffett publicly denounced them as instruments of mass destruction?) and the lack of accountability anywhere in the entire chain of legislation and the market - you get record foreclosures, unemployment and mass unrest on the horizon.
That is the environment that children see and hear. Is it any wonder that they want to get theirs before it is too late? They see that playing by the rules and being good citizens will only play in the red states and then only if there are jobs. To make in in the elite colleges - virtually all in blue states - takes connections, luck, hard work, intelligence, and occasionally decent values.
Some people can enjoy their college years. They like learning. They want to contribute. They may have the luxury of doing so, or access to some means to allow being a professional student.
Others are legitimate prodigies. There is a place on the bell curve (or pick any other statistical measure that may fit) for those out on the fat tail a few standard deviations east of the mean. They have an advantage in life's lottery, but that isn't everything, and there is more than one of those lotteries.
Now ask yourself how you want your children to grow up, and what type of world you want for them. Do you want trophy grandchildren? Do you aspire to vicarious thrills at pre-school culmination events? Do you have the ability to avoid the shake-down of modern schools?
Good luck and Godspeed.
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They promote "merit pay" when they know that the Carnegie foundation once spent 200 million trying to predict who might be a good teacher. The honors given teachers are usually earned in bed. The people that promote merit pay are either ignorant about how it actually works or they are pimping for school administrators.
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As a university professor, I write lots of references for students who wish to enroll in a solid doctoral program in literature. These students, who tend to be both intelligent and creative, but not wealthy and not "perfect," naturally spend time and money on their applications.
Later they show me the inevitable refusal letters and emails they receive from the elite schools: Stanford, Berkeley, UC Santa Cruz, the Ivy League group--and in every instance the letters are formulaic, without respect or human feeling.
Clearly the fancy schools are playing the global capitalist game by sustaining the precise values that universities should be contesting. In return the universities are given grants and endowments to insure that they continue pimping their student body.
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This is just real life 101.
This is the most important thing you learn at the University of Texas at Austin and apparently at other LARGE universities too.
AND GUESS WHAT PEOPLE -- THE SAME APPLIES FOR THE JOB MARKET HERE IN AUSTIN,TEXAS TOO!
Because there will ALWAYS be someone brighter, more beautiful and more talented and when it comes down to the wire WHO you know IS MORE IMPORTANT than WHAT you know.
And KNOWING that THESE DAYS and how to effectively network could make the difference between a JOB and HOMELESSNESS!
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Posted by: Honky the Nihilist VI on May 23, 2009 3:06 AM
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As our population increases, so will inequalities and conflict. Welcome to the beast that is man.
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Studying hard, doing your homework, and getting good grades the old-fashioned way may be preferable to cutting corners and working the system, but how is it necessarily less selfish or cutthroat? Don't you still end up with a bunch of competitive, type A people who think their own personal, material success is more important than helping others, or knowledge for its own sake?
To substantially address the behaviors described in the article would seem to require addressing the idea of meritocracy itself. It would mean a de-emphasis on standards, and an emphasis on things like each individual's contribution to knowledge, how each individual would benefit from the college experience--regardless of ability to pay--etc. This may be highly impractical, but my point is that you can't address the evils of meritocracy with more meritocracy.
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Posted by: Celtic Tiger on May 23, 2009 3:44 AM
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But it also takes aim at a soft but too narrow target.
My experience with "lesser" universities tells me that the Ayn Rand/Ronald Reagan school of "I've got mine, eff you" flourishes in both undergraduate and MBA programs in most of academia.
It's reenforced by the grants ands endowments which flow from government and corporate research funding. In fact, the impact of corporate funding in the university system is enormous and quite insidious. The corruption created has been well documented but largely ignored.
Who wants to take liberal arts or science when there's millions to be made in "finance"? The current disaster may temper that but I'm skeptical. In fact, it's probably sealed the deal for the priviledged who can still afford to go to the universities noted. It's the middle class or poorer students who graduate with massive debt that will be most affected.
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Posted by: Sojourner on May 23, 2009 3:50 AM
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I realize that I was spoiled by the '60s. We reached the brink then of some genuine change to the way US society is ordered. The frontline agitators were college and university students.
True, that effort largely failed. And the after effects were that the oligarchy was scared. So we watched them purchase the best government that money could buy.
Corruption comes in various forms. As the old song tells us, "Some will rob you with a six-gun and some with a fountain pen."
We know who has trained our pencil pushers.
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I've taught as a part-time MBA professor for over 20 years in three different universities and now teach in a large, western state university. Virtually all of the students in my classes are working, early to mid-career professionals seeking to better themselves. They're not always the sharpest tacks in the box, but they're generally a dedicated bunch with a few slackers occasionally sprinkled in.
I had the opportunity to do some guest lecture slots with students from an elite, top ten, MBA program. While a number of those students had also been working professionals who returned to school, virtually all of them were of independent means, and had really big, well-paying jobs with their names attached waiting for them after graduation. They were among the most arrogant individuals I have ever encountered and, as a result, I found myself deeply grateful for not having had to deal with that kind of student in my teaching career.
Now for the really ugly perspective. In my experience, ALL of higher education is riddled with the most feudal, hide-bound, mindless institutional politics and bureaucracy imaginable. In my "day job," I work in many foreign countries as an organization development consultant and I have had the opportunity to counsel many individuals aspiring to pursue undergraduate and graduate studies in U.S. universities. While I knew from past experience that these institutions are rigid, I had no idea just HOW rigid until I started being an advocate for the admission of potential students I thought were likely candidates. Words can't describe the dismissive attitudes and pious quoting of arcane rules and regulations that I and my shocked, disbelieving foreign friends have been exposed to. Regretfully, things got to the point with one individual I was working with that I had to inform the provost of the university where I teach that I would NEVER, EVER again attempt to recruit a student for his institution.
My point is this. Higher education as a whole is a whited sepulcher that appears pure and sacred from the outside but is rotting and putrefied on the inside. The elite colleges exponentially demonstrate all of that same dysfunction while leading their students to think they're getting the best education money can buy.
And, yes, I DO take it personally
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Yes, I have now grown tired of this section of politics in the US.
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As William Duane of Philadelphia, writing in 1804, stated, “[a] privileged order or class, to whom the administration of justice is given as a support, first employ their art and influence to gain legislation; they then so manage legislation as never to injure themselves; and they so manage justice as to engross the general property to themselves through the medium of litigation; and the misfortune is, that to be able to effect this point, it is attended by loss of time, by delay, expense, ill blood, bad habits, lessons of fraud and temptation to villainy, crimes, punishments, loss of estate, character and soul, public burden, and even loss of national character.”
The question for the public is to question why they again have they allowed the elitist to take control. Does anyone doubt that the political and financial crises the Republic finds itself was not caused by the elitist.
Thomas Jefferson stated, "[t]he issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite."
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Then I went to College for four years, not an elite institution but saw the same stratification of society that is defined in this article. I also had many spirited discussions with Profs about the merits of American intervention and foriegn policy. I was a member of a "hippie" "fraternity" called Pi Zappa Krappa and we saw the System for what it was. Still we played the game and I went on to a miserable career where "ring knockers" (you know them, the college grads who are twenty years away from Graduation who still wear their rings, what dorks) ruled and stupidity, country club parties, and fucking golf ruled the day.
Anyway I guess all I have learned in this long life is that we are nothing but "Monkeys Gone Mad". It won't improve because most people are not inherently "Good" they are most definately inherently very "Bad" and will kill you to get what they deem neccessary.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 23, 2009 7:13 AM
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In determining which applicants they will admit and put on the fast track, most elite higher-education institutions systematically favor people from privileged backgrounds who display selfish, cutthroat behavior.
Ranting and pouting can be cathartic, but just make sure you get that behind you and start working at what you want. No use in wallowing in self pity. Good luck finding a spot where you fit in!
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Posted by: alturn on May 23, 2009 8:15 AM
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The current young generation has lived within this ultra competitive educational model at its fine-tuned cut-throat peak. Remarkably I meet many products of this system who anticipate creating a world built on cooperation and sharing. Knowing the beast intimately, the upcoming generation has many within it that have the understanding to change it. Also, their intellectual development has given them a strong foundation for developing the bridge to what ultimately matters - the soul.
Expect man's true and higher nature - the soul - to become the focus of education. The soul knows no separation and has aspects of itself of love, intuition and pure reason. The soul's nature is to serve and as more people evolve to be more connected with this quality of themselves then the goal of education will change.
The times and the evolving nature of man demand no less.
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and you wonder why academia has problems!!!
http://fish.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/05/
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Posted by: Blondinista on May 23, 2009 8:41 AM
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I earned a degree in art nearly 30 years ago -- highly "impractical," and I have often been laughed at for it. Nevertheless, I would not change those 4 years for anything: Four years of doing something I loved, taking classes in many different disciplines, learning and enriching my life. And, in spite of it, I have always managed to support myself and my family.
Now, I worry to the point of losing sleep about my wonderful, compassionate teenage daughter who wants so badly to become a doctor (and not just any doctor, but the "Doctors without Borders" kind of doc who goes out to help people with the most desperate need).
I hope that the current state of academia will not ultimately crush her idealism and her dreams. Our world badly needs young people like her who would rather make a difference than join the country club.
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Posted by: janvdb on May 23, 2009 8:49 AM
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We may not actually send them tax money in a suitcase -- we allow them to NOT PAY IT.
Same $$ either way!!
These institutions pay no tax on the huge incomes earned on their endowments. Contributions they receive can be deducted from the taxable incomes of givers, so that is more tax money NOT RECEIVED. Most of them also pay no local property tax.
If these "private" schools were taxed like anyone else, the government would be receiving hundreds of millions of dollars every year in additional funding.
I did some round calculations and, due to the huge size of these endowments and the large incomes on them, all untaxed, the sums of federal tax NOT PAID by these instutions was about equal to all federal educational funding for all other types of education combined. Then, you have state taxes also not paid.
There is a way to fix this.
The Congress could say that the ratio of kids in a school who come from families with incomes in the top, say, 10% would determine, using a formula, the tax deductibility of the donations the schools receive and of endowment income.
Too many rich kids, your tax deductibility would be reduced by, say, 50%, or 70%, so depending on the income-bracket structure of the families of your students, they would have to start paying taxes on their incomes.
That would get their attention fast.
In just a few months, financial aid programs would spring up and suddenly, whatever adjustment in the income bracket structure of student body that was necessary to preserve their valuable tax-exempt status would become reality.
Don't just whine -- demand that it be fixed!!
IT'S OUR MONEY!!
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Snakes in suits, or snakes in corduroy....they are of the same genus.
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This is EXACTLY the kind of article that gives liberals and progressives a bad name. Blech.
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...a professor or aide sneaks up behind them, ...
...taps a spigot in the back of their heads ...
...& drains out all common decency
He may have been onto something.
Education has little to do with *learning* these days.
Take a look at the ads for 'prep' schools: they emphasize 'programs' but also emphasize, 'friendships to last a Lifetime'.
& they mean it.
It isn't about LEARNING, its about "relationships", "trust", "conformity of opinion", & best of all, "clannish exceptionalism".
The money & 'character references' are about *exclusion* not work ethic or learning capacity
Let us consider, if you will, the case of Ann Coulter & Keith Olbermann...
Of the two: WHO WENT TO THE 'REAL' Cornell?
I don't know about YOU, but to look at Olbermann, I think we know who took the ETHICS classes!
Coulter is like a living, walking, (living?) case of 'How To Lie With Statistics' (Huff) taken as *gospel* to prosperity.
Facts don't matter!: defending your sticky side for *relationships* does, right Ann?
Both Olbermann and Coulter went to Cornell, but different colleges. "Keith didn't go to the Ivy League Cornell; he went to the Old MacDonald Cornell," she writes.
Olbermann responds:
Poor Annie has completely lost it. Cornell diplomas don't make any reference to individual college or major. They're Cornell diplomas.
Mine looks exactly like hers, only if she was an out-of-stater she probably paid 8-10 times what I did for mine. And the premise of the University is that anybody can take almost any course. Nearly half of mine were in "her" Arts College.
And this is the first time since I went there in 1975 that I've ever seen a Cornellian rag on all the other colleges. It's a long way to go just to rationalize Limbaugh not knowing the Constitution from the Declaration of Independence.
Coulter, you're an emotionally stunted *bitch*: your school did you NO FAVOURS.
I suppose having a father who was an infamous Union Buster meant you could never feel sorry for the families YOUR family ruined... best if you numbed your mind, logic & spend your free time binging & purging & trying to find more black cocktail dresses that, 'hide your candy'.
Olbermann is a credit to ALL OF CORNELL... Coulter is merely a cookiecutter bookend at the ReichWing cocktail circuit.
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I do believe that students have changed a great deal since the Sixties. My son always asks me why I'm not rich when I'm so smart (I started taking classes at UC Berkeley when I was still in high school), but getting rich was never an interest of mine. I sense that today students are, for the most part, focused on making money and enjoying themselves (drinking?). Nothing could be further from the students I went to school with when I was young. School was so important that students disappeared from protests if they had a paper to write or a test for which to study. Now I see that students apparently don't study until right before the final, because the library is open ALL night just before and during finals. The young people I have worked with over the last five or six years in corporate America seem to have no interest in learning, or in anything that I can see. Perhaps they are interested in making money. I do notice that they spend it, mostly on clothes.
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Posted by: RegK on May 23, 2009 8:04 PM
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As a Harvard grad I can tall you that this writer is spot on. The snobbery and cut-throatism is grotesque--and highly valued. Snobby students describe their peers as 'presentable' or not, and as 'clubbable' or not. Creepy. I knew several students from working class backgrounds who dropped out or transferred because of this crap.
When people are impressed that I went to Harvard, I tell them not to be. While the single best teacher I ever had was at Harvard, so were 5 of the worst. I have graduate degrees from 2 public universities where the quality of instruction was far higher overall than at Harvard. Actually, I think private colleges and universities should be abolished. Education is a public function that should be performed in the public interest--especially when so much public money is involved.
The Ivy's connections to the current economic debacle is obvious--from Rubin and Summers (both Harvard) under Clinton (Yale) to the greedy clowns under Bush (Yale and Harvard) and Cheney (flunked out of Yale; not easy to do!). Similarly, the Ivy's connections to the Vietnam War, 'Reaganomics', the economic rape of eastern Europe in the 1990's, and other disaster of the late 20th century can be demonstrated as well.
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The anti-intellectualism on this message board is staggering, though I guess not surprising. This is a country that voted for George Bush. Twice.
Sigh. But what do I know? I'm just one of those stupid Ivy League graduates who probably got in based not on merit but on the enormous pull my father had as a high school teacher in a little farm town. Yep. I got everything handed to me on a silver platter. Good thing I'm too dumb to realize how much better off we'd be if community college students ran things.
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began to see the financial worth in letting
in the unwashed that policies began to
change.
Connections and bloodlines have always
mattered to the elite and always will.
If one does the proper research
of bloodlines, an uncanny DNA link
exists between people who are
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Posted by: yesman on May 23, 2009 11:04 PM
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It used to be that liberal arts colleges provided a curriculum which encouraged reflection on values and which aimed at molding responsible citizens. This mission has gone by the wayside in our collective deification of money and power. Will our current crisis spark a change of course? I have my doubts.
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I really doubt many people in the top universities are testing for intelligence. I'd think school and university is mostly about status and not ability after a certain degree of competence. I find it really hard to believe all the "A" people are going to be more able then B or C people.
It's mostly about human beings perception of a persons worth according to socially constructed hierarchy of where someone 'belongs' in the status hierarchy.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 24, 2009 4:16 AM
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You don't need a PhD in Sociology to figure that out - merely a damn dictionary and some common sense. "Trickle" indicates the measely amount that will be afforded those 'Below'. What remains will be reserved (Hoarded) for & By those at the top of the socio- economic Heirarchy.Exactly like the system our ancestors fought a Revolutiaonry War to free US from.And lets not be so naive as to think it was not passed down generation to generation- so 'Blue Bloods' remain at the Top of the Heap,decade after century. What's those names again Morgan, Rockefeller, Kennedy....Worse yet is they have not only maintained their financial status as 'Noblity', but have moved into the Gov't Houses (Of Lords?).although I am a avid Supporter of Teddy the Liberal Lion and appreciate Mr Rockefeller's stances for the most part- I do not feel these Children of priviledge should be the sole heirs to Political power.
Frankly there should be a nation wide investigation into these Colleges of Economics,Business & Poli-sci to determine what these Professors have been teaching their students in these cirriculums- perhaps the Sociology Depts should be reviewing these other programs, and making recommnadation about changes - not only to lesson plans but staffing.The Concept "Greed is Good" should not only be Rebuked, but result in 'Pink slips'.
Only a mental idiot or the morally corrupt considered Trickle Down anything other than Economic Treason. Add to that the ability to Siphon off 'liquidity' by hiding a good portion of it in off shore accounts- might as well be the Vaults of the monarchies Treasure- away from Prying eyes, the tax mans hand and inaccessible to the circular flow of financial resources throughout the system.
What ahs also occured is that these 'blue Blood' Corps have barred real access to the Market by predatory practices and destoying innovation.They kill off smaller competition by needless Direct competition via locale (Homedepot vs Mom & Pop hardware) or cutting pricing to the point that these smaller Co's can not possibley compete- once they go out of business, these montrosities can increase pricing as they see fit- "Only Game In Town". Far more egregious is their ability to force patent sales due to control over production abilities, then shelve the idea to maintain their own products profitablity (Electric car of the '80's).Thus essentially Killing accessibility to the Free Market for average citizens or small business.
Big surprise that ultimately the "Free Market" system would run dry- between hoarding, siphoning and Exclusionary tactics, our Economy has died from Dehydration.
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» "greed is good" is a main tenet of capitalism.
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Posted by: Drclaw on May 24, 2009 7:03 AM
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students have organized a CSA and farmers market, reformed the food service on campus to emphasize local and organic and sustainable, they build trails in parks, work in 3rd world countries to develop infrastructure in remote, poor areas, they lobby their local legislature for energy policy. The found art collectives. I've even seen a fair number of MBA types work to develop plans for alternative energy and novel green technology.
what we need is for more people to have the opportunity to go to a solid 4 year institution if they so wish, and we need to reverse the 50 year trend of less support for higher education. State and federal money now constitutes around 30% of most public uni's input, whereas it was above 50% in the 50's. We can't simply continue to raise tuition (for both political and moral reasons)-so where's the money going to come from? All the corporatization of uni's that we all so regret is a desperate response, and one of the few alternatives left. Why as a society, do we spend more money on prison cells than classrooms?
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Posted by: JERSEYDAN on May 24, 2009 7:29 AM
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Posted by: Tom Degan on May 24, 2009 8:04 AM
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peace....
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Posted by: lorenbliss on May 24, 2009 2:51 PM
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Thus Mr. Schmidt missed an important opportunity to show us the ultimate truth about the United States: how at all levels, federal, state or local, its government and governance serve but one purpose: the propagation of capitalism -- that is, the absolute protection of the ruling class and the total subjugation of all the rest of us. Thus too the vast rewards heaped on the powerful and the profitable -- those who own the nation’s wealth and those workers who remain exploitable for profit -- and the euthanasia by abandonment and neglect inflicted on any of us deemed unprofitable: those of us disabled, elderly, or chronically impoverished.
But the greatest failing in Mr. Schmidt’s work is his attempt to link academic testing to capitalism’s moral imbecility. This is an absurd hypothesis -- testing or not, capitalism is always moral imbecility. And anti-test rhetoric is itself a Big Lie, protecting the legions of lazy and/or incompetent public school teachers against legitimate discovery of how poorly they teach their students. It is also the latest offensive in a decades-long war to deny college educations to those of us who rebel at the bully-enforced conformity, anti-intellectuality, teacher ineptitude and glaring hypocrisy of U.S. public schools.
My own history is typical. Despite a high IQ (with exceptionally high verbal skills, reasoning ability and visual creativity), my public school grades were wretched. Growing up with a significant family library -- one of the principles of Marxism is maximum education of the working class -- I resented being taught by “teachers” who were demonstrably ignorant, often obviously stupid and in any case visibly threatened by my efforts to escape the boring mediocrity inflicted by prescribed grade-level limits. Nearly all my teachers thus despised me; thus too I was typically evaluated with maximum malice, the result of which was graduation from high school with a low-C average. Had it not been for my performance on critical tests -- the old Michigan State Comprehensives c. 1957, the scholastic-aptitude series of that same era -- I’d have never been allowed to attend college.
Not that it mattered. Though my college experience was mostly one of welcome recognition -- academic average 3.0 or better, professors who often urged me to pursue an academic career -- the odium of my public-school records (bad grades, defiant behavior, familial dysfunction, lesbian mother, Marxian father) nullified my Dean’s List appearances and permanently denied me access to the requisite scholarship money. Thus, with only the insultingly miserly Vietnam Era GI Bill, I was 36 years old before I earned my bachelors degree and had no hope of ever paying for graduate school. The value of my effort was proven few years later when a white, Harvard-educated female personnel executive said of my academic record, “obviously you weren’t serious about doing college-level work. You graduated from high school in 1958 and had all the advantages of being a white male but it still took you until 1976 to earn your BA…”
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Posted by: bcgirl125 on May 24, 2009 8:41 PM
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Posted by: DougD on May 24, 2009 11:19 PM
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Posted by: Anarc1ssie on May 25, 2009 6:32 AM
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The fundamental purposes of an educational system are to (1) manage the intellectual life of the country for the benefit of its ruling class, and (2) to replicate the personnel of the ruling class.
Since one person rules another, and one class rules another, only by force and fraud, we could expect a meritocracy to be worse than a ruling class populated by the heirs of the better-off because they'd be more effective.
However, when I look at history, I can't say that the meritocrats are all that effective. In the end they seem about as stupid, fraudulent, and brutally violent as the scions.
Remember "the best and the brightest"?
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Posted by: larycham on May 25, 2009 7:57 PM
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The only way to address this inequity is to provide quality parent education (focusing on how to nurture and enhance their child's development) and early childhood education for all, of course especially to disadvantaged families. This is an old idea, and we have made some efforts in this direction, but we need to ramp up these efforts as part of a new New Deal. We will all benefit.
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Posted by: Jasonix on May 26, 2009 6:57 AM
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Several coalitions of colleges are boycotting participation in the US News surveys because of this. Hopefully, alternative measures will emerge that openly explain their ranking logic and show how hollow the US News rankings are.
As proof of how empty the standard college rankings are, consider this: you can get a degree from Brown University on a pass/fail basis. What kind of a joke is that? You get a leg up in life because you attended an expensive school where you could take classes pass/fail? What a sick joke.
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