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We Spend Twice as Much on Health Care as Other Rich Countries -- and What Do We Get for It?

By Dean Baker, AlterNet. Posted May 19, 2009.


Our health care system isn't getting fixed because the people who run it like it just the way it is.

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Suppose that people in the United States paid twice as much for our cars as people in Canada, Germany, and every other wealthy country. Economists would no doubt be pointing out the enormous amount of waste in the US auto industry. They would insist that we both take advantage of the lower cost cars available elsewhere and take steps to make our own industry more efficient.

For some reason, economists do not have the same attitude towards health care. Most seem little bothered by the fact that we spend more than twice as much per person as people in other countries, with no obvious benefit in terms of health care outcomes. This lack of concern is especially striking since health care is a far larger share of the US economy than autos, comprising 17 percent of total output, as compared to about 3 percent for autos.

The excess health care spending comes to more than $1.2 trillion a year or the equivalent of more than $16,000 for a family of four. Paying too much for health care has the same economic impact as a health care tax. In effect, we have a health care waste tax that is about 10 percent larger than the projected federal revenue from the personal and corporate income tax combined. In short, this is real money.

However, the enormous waste in the US health care sector does not arouse anywhere near as much concern as items like the "buy America" provision in the stimulus package. This provision, which applies to a small fraction of the recently passed stimulus package, was the topic of a front-page article in The Washington Post. The article warned that this protectionist provision could lead to the unraveling of the world trade system.

While features of health care can make trade in health care services more difficult than trade in autos, it is possible for the barriers to be bridged. If the self-proclaimed "free traders," who dominate the economics profession and policy debates, actually were free traders, they would be pushing hard to allow people in the United States to benefit from international trade in medical services in the same way that US consumers have benefited from low cost imports of cars and clothes.

There are several obvious paths through which the United States could gain by freer trade in health care. First, we could construct trade deals that simplify the process through which foreigners can train to meet US standards for becoming doctors, dentists, and other highly paid medical specialists.

The point would be to set up procedures through which students in countries like Mexico, China, and India could train to meet our standards, and then would have the same ability to practice in the United States as US trained doctors. This could be easily implemented and offer large gains to both countries, especially if the US paid a fee to compensate for the medical training offered to foreigners, so that two to three doctors could be trained for every one that practiced in the United States.

An even simpler route for gaining from trade would be to allow Medicare beneficiaries in the United States to buy into the much cheaper health care systems in other countries. The government could split the savings with the beneficiaries, allowing them to pocket thousands of dollars a year, while saving the government the same amount. The receiving country could even get a premium over its costs in order to give it an incentive to take part in the program.

Finally, the government could try to standardize rules around the rapidly growing industry of medical tourism. Every year, tens of thousands of patients travel to Thailand, India, and other countries to have major medical procedures performed at prices that are often less than one-tenth as much as those in the United States. The savings can easily offset the cost of travel for the patient and several family members. If facilities were regulated and clear rules established for legal liability, then more patients would be able to take advantage of the potential cost saving.

However, the free traders are not interested in promoting free trade in health care. They would rather just tell us that there is nothing that can be done about exploding health care costs in the United States. This might have something to do with the fact that the primary beneficiaries of protectionism in health care are doctors and dentists, not autoworkers and steel workers (and the drug and medical supply industry).

Economists and other self-proclaimed free traders are anxious to use trade to reduce the income of manufacturing workers; they are very happy to have protection for highly paid professionals. After all, their parents, siblings and children can be doctors and dentists. They are unlikely to be autoworkers and steelworkers.

So, we are stuck with a hopelessly bloated health care system that most of the economists and pundits say cannot be fixed. Insofar as this is a true statement, it is because they and their wealthy friends do not want it to be fixed. It really is that simple.


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Dean Baker: Free Trade Delirium ...
Posted by: mmckinl on May 25, 2009 12:25 AM   
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Baker starts out great ...

"Suppose that people in the United States paid twice as much for our cars as people in Canada, Germany, and every other wealthy country. Economists would no doubt be pointing out the enormous amount of waste in the US auto industry. They would insist that we both take advantage of the lower cost cars available elsewhere and take steps to make our own industry more efficient."

And we end up with This ?

"The point would be to set up procedures through which students in countries like Mexico, China, and India could train to meet our standards, and then would have the same ability to practice in the United States as US trained doctors. This could be easily implemented and offer large gains to both countries, especially if the US paid a fee to compensate for the medical training offered to foreigners, so that two to three doctors could be trained for every one that practiced in the United States."

Yes I know, Baker is trying to make a point about the hypocrisy of the ongoing protectionism for health care professionals but his suggestions only serve to muddy the issue of what we need : HR 676 Medicare for All single payer healthcare ... Baker's shoddy attempt at irony hurts health care reform and the chances for a Single Payer system.

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» RE: Dean Baker: Free Trade Delirium ... Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» Combined systems Posted by: BlueTigress
» RE: Dean Baker: Free Trade Delirium ... Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
We need a cure for health care in America
Posted by: tmullins on May 25, 2009 3:34 AM   
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In Tennessee and Virginia Profit Care is more important than Patient Care.

http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62

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Funny
Posted by: JDutty6 on May 25, 2009 4:45 AM   
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Well lets see, greedy, overpaid doctors. Top heavy hospital administrations, Medical lobbyist that can but their way on anything and greedy politicians in line for the hand outs. Hmmm, go figure.

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» RE: Funny Posted by: wrinklemomma
Each to his own Facts
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on May 25, 2009 5:22 AM   
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One of the big problems facing health care reform as well as global warming, peak oil and a wide variety of other issues is that we do not all operate with the same set of facts.

Although many of us accept the view described by the author, there is another reality that is accepted by many overly influential people as well as many who are not so influential. This alternative "reality" says that we have the very best health care system that the rest of the world can only envy. It says that any attempt to change it will introduce the risk that, not only our health care system but our entire political system and our economy will collapse. Obviously, if this is the world you live in you will reach other conclusions than the author does.

As an example of the thinking in this alternative universe, take a look at the survey at the bottom-right of the page at this link.

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» Racism over facts Posted by: wbblack
» RE: Coloring the facts Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: ach to his own Facts Posted by: Archie1954
It just Drives Me Crazy!!!
Posted by: dcande01 on May 25, 2009 5:58 AM   
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I am so sick of the BS that we have the best health care system in the world, and that care will be rationed under socialized medicine. My daughter, a federal government employee, was hurt on the job last week. I took her to the hospital. She was diagnosed with a broken arm, and a splint was put on her arm. She was told by a doctor at the hospital to see an orthopedist in about 24 hours, time for the swelling to go down, to get a hard cast. Well, this is now FOUR days later and she can't see an orthopedist until the workman's compensation paperwork is completed. She's been told that she needs to get a lawyer in order to not get screwed. I wonder if she'd been shot on the job whether she would have been stablized so that the paperwork could be finished before the bullet was removed. Anybody who has any illusions about how great our health care system is really needs to watch "Sicko." Michael Moore did us all a tremendous favor by making that film.

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» "The Cruelest Lie" Posted by: bthespoon
» RE: It just Drives Me Crazy!!! Posted by: dcande01
It'll never work, Dean
Posted by: sausage on May 25, 2009 6:12 AM   
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Your idea makes too much sense.

And it would adversely effect the incomes of the medical...or should I say physicians' class, as nurses are woefully underpaid, and upper level managerial class of the health care cabal.

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Our health system isn't getng fixed because
Posted by: bthespoon on May 25, 2009 6:16 AM   
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our elected representatives have sold and are selling us down the tubes in favor of moneyed interests.

The public has no one representing us any more because we do not finance their campaigns.

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We pay for that's why
Posted by: lisafrequency on May 25, 2009 6:20 AM   
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People have all the power but they do not seem to get it. Health care is messed up because we are willing to pay what ever price they put on it.

Insurance is one of the biggest scams going people pay for it so this is the peoples fault. As soon as people stop buying into this scam they will have to change the plan.

Asking the government to fix it is a little like asking the fow to guard the hen house.

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» RE: We pay for that's why Posted by: lisafrequency
Show your insurance card before you enter the cell
Posted by: johnwinthrop on May 25, 2009 6:38 AM   
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We have "specialists" in our enlightened health care system. Lots of specialists. They are "better" than "doctors".

And remember way back when: you saw one doctor. Now you see two or three. They employ many "techs" and purchase many machines that are replaced almost as fast as your next visit.

And everybody along the way prescribes "medication". The medication comes from the nice well-dressed lady who looks like a model who always seems to be in the doctor's office. She is always waved through the crowd of patients in the waiting room to teach the doctor some new tricks.

And all the specialists, and your "doctor", bill the insurance co. And the second and third doctor you see, "specialists", charge more than the first, though the first sees more patients and deals with more low income people. And the specialists are tied into the hospitals which accredit who? The specialists.

Can you admit patients to a hospital if you are not "accredited"? No. Verboten.

If this were simply a business transaction, it would be a classic model of AntiTrust, PriceFixing. And people would go to jail.

Hi there DOCTOR Convict. Ready for your exam?

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Greed is the Game
Posted by: jmmartin on May 25, 2009 6:41 AM   
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Why do you think so many Indian, et al. MD'S come to the United States? They know that we treat our doctors like gods. They know that they can use the system to make much more money than they would rake in in countries like Sweden, France, and England. When we cease treating doctors like deities and force them to accept much less pay for the work they do, then we will have reasonably priced health care.

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» RE: Greed is the Game Posted by: johnwinthrop
Health Care for ALL Americans is Simple!
Posted by: jpinsatx on May 25, 2009 6:51 AM   
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Hmmm… Health Care for ALL Americans is Simple!

1) MERGE Medicare with Medicaide into one single "Income Based" system for poor and elderly citizens.

2) REQUIRE insurance companies to provide the same basic coverage for ALL Non-Medicare/Medicaide citizens, regardless of health status, at affordable rates.

3) ALLOW insurance companies to "Profit" by offering additional benefits and options to those who qualify and are willing to pay the difference.

As for Funding…

1) Changing from an "Emergency Treatment" to a "Preventive Care" system will save local communities billions, maybe even trillions of taxpayer dollars!

2) Small business will be able to compete globally and hire additional taxpaying employees!

3) Wealthy seniors will pay their fair share!

4) The tremendous burden on future generations will be greatly reduced!

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IRS Compassion,PLUS Post Office Efficiency
Posted by: AJR Journal on May 25, 2009 6:59 AM   
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This is what I have to look forward to in my advancing years.
This is the future if we adopt a government-run health care system.
It is no wonder physician-assisted suicide is popular

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» Tell your Mom I said "Hi" Posted by: AJR Journal
» RE: Tell your Mom I said "Hi" Posted by: dcande01
The worlds' worst healthcare system!
Posted by: frankly1 on May 25, 2009 7:27 AM   
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Having lived outside the U.S. for some time in the past, unlike most Americans, I have experienced "healthcare" under a state system.
The U.S. has the worst "healthcare" Doctors, nurses and Dentists in the world. They have re-written the Hypocratic oath to the effect that it goes... first establish how many things we can get the insurance or medicare pay for, needed or not. Then prescribe as many drugs as you can, especially those that the drug company is paying you to dish out and if the patient/customer is happy...great if they get worse or die oh well thats what liability insurance is for, right! I am not saying that Amercans Doctors and nurses wanted this or like it but "healthcare" in the U.S. is a sickcare business! The corpoate system has turned American health workers into the crackwhores of medicine for thier obscene profits. It will not end as long as the insurance companies rule the business and people believe the propaganda and keep handing them their money.

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Beatrice Williams-Rude, citizen, traveler
Posted by: Beatrice on May 25, 2009 7:49 AM   
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Of the 20 top industrialized nations (the richest) France has the lowest mortality rates for treatable conditions, and has had for at least the past eight years, during which time the US fell from 15th place to dead last, having the highest mortality rates.
France has an all-inclusive government-run health-care system. If a tourist becomes ill a doctor comes to the patient's hotel room. And there is no charge.
If this be "socialized medicine," bring it on! Slapping a label on something in no way alters its value.
The US needs a single-payer government-run health-care system. It would take the burden off employers, allow companies to be more competitive, costs would be lower because of economies of scale and negotiatiated drug prices.
Why are the insurance companies at the table?
We don't need "health insurance," we need health care.

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Are you serious?
Posted by: Skeptic10 on May 25, 2009 8:16 AM   
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The solution is a single payer system. This will cut out the insurance company middlemen and the attendant high administrative costs. A government payer will also potentially eradicate the perverse incentives for over utilization of non evidence based high priced treatments of little benefit. Patients in the U.S. accustomed to every experimental therapy will not like this, but it will be necessary.
Mr. Baker adds nothing to the debate. In fact his proposals are so ludicrous that he damages the reform effort. The proposal that Canadians (or Italians or the British) would pay for the infrastructure, drugs, doctors fees, etc. in the U.S. in exchange for premiums is laughable. The alternative idea that patients could travel to those countries for ER visits, well baby care, appendectomies, etc. is not only unrealistic, but idiotic. Tripling the number of doctors in the U.S. will also not solve the problem. Health care is not in any way analogous to the auto industry, so why start with that premise? How does this tripe get by the editors at Alternet?

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» Treatment Posted by: BlueTigress
How about big pharma?
Posted by: wagner on May 25, 2009 8:35 AM   
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“Well lets see, greedy, overpaid doctors. Top heavy hospital administrations, Medical lobbyist that can but their way on anything and greedy politicians in line for the hand outs. Hmmm, go figure.” (Posted by JDutty6)

So, how about the basic characteristics of “big pharma”: conspiracy, corruption, kick-backs, incompetence, favoritism, plagiarism, falsifying research data, bribery, extortion, blackmail, retaliation. In summary: personal profit first and forget the patients. Let’s face it, nobody can fix the costs of health care, because a portion of the ill-gotten profits go toward campaign contributions and politicians, judges, lawyers and people in general (e.g. jurors) own stocks of big pharma.

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karen davis
Posted by: karen davis on May 25, 2009 9:04 AM   
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Dean Baker starts out with the idea that economists would not tolerate having goods in the US cost twice as much as in every other country. But he ends up stating the primary beneficiaries of the status quo are doctors and dentists. What he apparently does not know is that many polls show that a solid majority of doctors want a single payer system. Even, in fact, a poll of members of the American Medical Association, well known to be conservative, showed that 59% of them favor a government single payer system.

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THE SIMPLEST ANSWER TO ALL THE NATION'S PROBLEMS!!!
Posted by: blurider on May 25, 2009 9:19 AM   
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... at the risk of very slight over simplification....IS:

Campaign and election reform, term limits and lobbying reform!!!!


The U S citizenry can no longer exist with the ILLUSION of 'democracy', the veil that is created for us by our oligarchical, ruling class through the manipulation of elections, lobbying and the privileged refuge now found in lifetime 'public service' and/or the lobbyist's profession.

The quaint notions that 'money is speech' (George Will), that 'the right to lobby one's government', especially, in it's present, distorted permutation is sacrosanct and protected by The Constitution and that the airwaves no longer belong to the people but belong, lock, stock and barrel, to the elites who have 'bought and paid for them' - albeit with our advertising dollars - must finally die. If we can survive that long perhaps they can die a slow death but better that they die quickly and put us all out of our misery!!

If we could break these bonds on our very lives, souls and futures we could heal medical care, end the endless war syndrome, ease the grip of the military industrial complex and it's newest, wicked alliance with 'evangelism and apocalypse' and force our corporations to once again, live on what they could earn by serving the needs of the consumer rather than profits and the stockholder.

One can only imagine the positive effects these changes would have, on the health, wealth and happiness of the average American citizen.

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» Absolutely! Posted by: KeepsonTickn
What you can do now
Posted by: saywhat on May 25, 2009 9:24 AM   
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Besides the excellent web site www.cancertutor.com there are a few good books to read: “The China Study”, “Cancer Step Outside the Box”, and “Cancer-Free Your Guide to Gentle, Non-toxic Healing.” All are great books and good reads. Hey, you may even save your life along with thousands of dollars in medical bills.
Also you may want to check out the reviews of these books on Amazon.com - or any book site.
The advice noted above will help you say well and improve your immune system.
Of course if you're shot or get a broken bone you have to see a doctor, but you will be in better health to survive the ordeal. Come to think of it, I broke a bone and didn't see a doctor. Anyway, it seems we're all on our own.

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Thanks, but NO THANKS, For a LOT OF WRONG-HEADED IDEAS
Posted by: lunamina on May 25, 2009 9:52 AM   
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Thanks for nothing but more muddy water! This does not solve ANYTHING! One thing we DO NOT need right now is more ways to TRAVEL ON OIL! This is not the way to create a sustainable system. We should all be thinking in terms of LOCALIZING our economy NOT PUSHING FOR MORE TRAVEL INVOLVEMENT! On top of that you are messing around with the real issues around health care by IGNORING THE REAL ISSUES! I cannot believe anyone would take this seriously! WHAT WE NEED IS SINGLE-PAYER! Anybody who wants to drag the debate into another quagmire gather around THIS GUY!

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Single Payer Now
Posted by: Opal on May 25, 2009 10:14 AM   
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Tinkering with the present system of health insurance for profit will never solve our problem. We need Single Payer and we need it now.

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Medical tourism
Posted by: BlueTigress on May 25, 2009 10:34 AM   
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There is already a trend towards insurance companies encouraging their customers to go to Asian countries for some procedures because even with air fare it will cost them a lot less.

This clown is not paying attention.

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Profit care...
Posted by: frank69 on May 25, 2009 11:46 AM   
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The USA does not have a Health Care System.
The USA has a Profit Care System.

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Remember when doctors used to be referred to as LEECHES?
Posted by: stellabloo on May 25, 2009 11:52 AM   
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Well, they have improved some since they learned enough to wash their hands between patients, but not much. My apologies to the noble humanitarian souls who dedicate their lives to ease the suffering of the poor, but they would agree with me: millions of lives could be saved each year by the use of simple technologies such as latrines, tylenol, mosquito netting and vitamin supplements. But NO, modern medicine is preoccupied with that perfect consumer animal, the bloated and neurotic middle-aged amerikan.

Here is where the real money is, my friends. Harvest the fruit of rapacious corporate conduct as thousands of teary-eyed women in pink line up to Walk for the "Cure" for chemical poisoning. A new blockbuster drug is worth BILLIONS. Heart problems? God FORBID you really think exercise and diet will make a difference - we have a pill for that. Ditto for erectile dysfunction. Vaguely depressed? For God's Sake Man don't light up that joint! We have a PILL for you. Cancer? It's the newest and biggest racket since the government first discovered that, if you shut down the stills, the farmers will be forced to run their tractors on corporate-supplied fossil fuel. Or you thought Prohibition was about the Evils of Alcoholism?

Politics of Cancer

Single-payer healthcare all the way (as someone who lives in a country with universal healthcare and can't imagine any other way in a so-called civilized country). But don't forget to take your doctor with a pinch of salt.

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All healthy people voluntarily buying health insurance should
Posted by: Landbaron on May 25, 2009 11:58 AM   
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stop paying it and just get accident insurance. If anyone gets seriously ill it's time to tranfer your assets before the insurance companies get it. Then if you can't get healthcare with no money, request assisted suicide, get addicted to heroin and eventually get a surprise ovedose. We need to take out the insurance companies asap. Even with insurance, a serious illness with the co-payments will probably bankrupt the average citizen. Live healthy.

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The US should adopt the Canadian system.
Posted by: Ghoulman on May 25, 2009 11:58 AM   
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The US should adopt the Canadian system or one similar. It would cut the cost in half. Why? Because all that money would go towards actual health care for people instead of industry, accounting, and insurance companies.

Most of the money in the US is really just a subsidy for corporations, who make billions a year off the deaths of the American people.

The actual word is corruption... on a massive scale. Micheal Moore, and this article, barely scratch the surface of a giant industry that tells the US people, and Congress, that they provide health services when in fact they are just making money.

As a Canadian I can tell you, this is a socialist idea. Thus, it's anathema in the US. So watch out! The attitude of Congress is that corporations making money is 'a Right' above the health of the people. Of course, corporations never suffer health problems (they just fire those people) while small businesses would benefit greatly from a healthier work force.

Then, Mexico should do the same.

Ever been in a Canadian hospital? The administration is often a small part of the entire complex. In the US, every hospital has an entire floor, if not more, devoted to accounting. Think about that. Keep thinking...

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this already happens
Posted by: idear on May 25, 2009 12:03 PM   
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Dr. Baker must not have had encounters with the health care system lately.

There is a shortage of doctors and nurses in this country. The shortage is filled by legal immigrants on H1 visas, doctors and nurses and a variety of other technicians who are trained in other countries and come here to work.

For example, during a recent hospitalization for an injury, my surgeon was from Ireland, 2 of 3 nurses were from the Phillipines and the radiology tech was native USA. Not at all unusual these days.

The idea that the health care system could benefit by competition from other countries seems so out of touch with reality, it must be joke.

Dr. Baker, you usually seem so sensible, did I read this wrong?

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Careful with single payer!
Posted by: wagner on May 25, 2009 2:41 PM   
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We have to be careful with the reform we agree on, especially the single payer system. The diagnosis was made in Sweden in the late sixties that my daughter needed heart surgery. Sweden already had “socialized health care” at that time. The cardiologist told me that catheterization, the first step in the process had a waiting time of 14 months. The waiting line for the surgery itself was another 12 month. Meanwhile in 1972 I received a post-graduate position in the US and my family was covered under the health insurance plan of the university. However, the insurance company required, that every member of my family would undergo a complete physical. Obviously, my daughter’s condition was diagnosed during the physical. In Jan. 1973 the pediatric cardiologist suggested the surgery to be carried out during the summer school break. I asked him if we could schedule her during the spring break in Feb. He accepted my request and the surgery was carried out ca. 6 weeks after the original contact with the doctor. I have not seen one single invoice to be paid. I wonder what happened to our health care and health insurance since the early seventies.

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» RE: Careful with single payer! Posted by: shakychicken
A modest proposal-- enslave doctors
Posted by: drp on May 25, 2009 3:26 PM   
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Physician payments are responsible for only 25% of medical spending. Cut this in half and you save about 12%.

A start. But why not go all the way and just repeal the 13th amendment. Then enslave all physicians and make them work for free.

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Yes
Posted by: yesman on May 25, 2009 3:50 PM   
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It really is that simple. If we're waiting for our "representatives" to step off the "health care" gravy train and fix the system just because it's in the interest of "the people," then we'll be waiting forever. The government, the insurance companies, the doctors, the hospitals, etc., are all quite happy with the bloated profits which they continue to steal from us. From their point of view, what is there to "fix?"

Obama may have said the right words during his campaign, but if you expect him to do anything substantive now that he's in office, you are seriously deluded.

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MD's are a closed, protectionist, anti-consumer union
Posted by: socrates2 on May 25, 2009 4:41 PM   
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The beginning of the end started when the clever leaders of the medical profession decided they wanted more money to go along with their status. So they placed "birth control" on the medical profession. Few if any med schools have opened since the early 1960's despite the semi-Malthusian population/demand increase. That iron-clad law of economics took over: supply and demand. Today, the joke on the streets is that an MD degree is one of the few licenses that allows one to become a millionaire by the simple practice of one's profession. No need to patent or invent or invest in real estate or speculate. As people are born, patients are born. And the number of MD's remains constant... Do the math.
Oh, occasionally a foreign-trained MD is allowed in to meet the burgeoning demand, but the numbers not allowed to enter med schools to be trained is staggering. Consequence, US citizens who study at med schools abroad.
Here in the US, med schools tend to be a grad school affair. Most countries accept prep school grads into Med school to meet their demand. And in those med schools, you either cut it in the rigorous curriculum or you are kicked out.
Bottom line: MD's belong to an air-tight union, an extremely protectionist one. And with their biggest and profitable ally, Big Pharma, lobby year after year to maintain this lucrative status quo.

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Trade is not the answer when prices are not market-based
Posted by: Hans B on May 25, 2009 4:50 PM   
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Patients have no reason to seek out the cheapest doctors, medicines and whatnot if insurance pays anyway. For this reason health care is by definition totally different from the car industry. To the extent there is competition, it does not lead to price reductions and often leads to the opposite result (inasmuch as it is quality competition, not price competition).

I'll agree with the author that it is often so that highly paid professions are protected by politicians belonging to their social class, but the argument that free trade would bring prices down makes little sense.

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I we wanted
Posted by: wormfarmer on May 25, 2009 5:34 PM   
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a lot of things fixed in this country, we should have elected Ralph Nader.

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Viva Protectionism! AND Single Payer!
Posted by: waterflaws on May 25, 2009 6:16 PM   
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Globalism isn't all it's cracked up to be - Who's cracking it up anyway? Show me the money!

Single Payer seems to work very well for MANY Social Democracies and I don't see them staffing with cheap labor from other countries. Healthcare shouldn't be based on a profit, or savings, motive (neither should elections).

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Health care? They couldn't care less.
Posted by: kogwonton on May 25, 2009 8:42 PM   
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If there is any single issue which causes anxiety, anguish, and anger in this country it is the lack of decent health care. Anyone that has experienced the kinds of demeaning hoops required of anyone without adequate health insurance will know just how enraging it can be. Doctors look at you like a bug, and charge you hundreds of dollars just for the privilege of having them tell you to piss up a rope. People are treated like dog shit by the curb-side representatives of the 'social services' system, are required to provide documentation of their poverty, when many have no such information to provide because they have worked any job they could, often piecework and odd jobs that aren't 'on the books' just to put food on the table. Then, they ask for documentation for your gross income as well as your 'net' income documentation so that they can charge the government twice. On top of that, they are arrogant, rude, and deliberately obstructive. This system is designed to filter out people in need from people in worse need, and to show the worst possible straw-man version of 'socialism' possible.

If this system were fixed and set up to actually help people rather than milk the public trough, and discourage everyone, we would eliminate possibly the single greatest cause of bankruptcy and mental/emotional anguish in this country. But we all know that helping people is not what capitalism is about. It is about making maximum profits for the least amount of cost. When stocks go up it means multinationals are making more while paying less for resources and labor, and taxes (of course).

To hell with the Dow or NASDAQ. It means nothing in real terms. When stocks go up it only means they are screwing us harder. The pressure had better let up or we will be seeing some shit rolling up hill, and our honorable men and women in our police and armed services will find themselves waging war on their own flesh. They will have to wake up to the fact that there is already a war being wage upon us by Wall St. and Capital Hill. It is a wonder more people aren't simply exploding.

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Overthrow Congress -- Elect Progressives
Posted by: halg on May 25, 2009 8:47 PM   
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Did you know that the Green Party -- yes, I said the Green Party -- supports, and always has supported, single-payer health care, even long before Hillary or anyone else came up with the idea also. This is a duh-brainer concept.

One thing that is worrisome is that so-called fiscal conservatives oppose single-payer on the basis of ideology; i.e., socialism v. capitalism. But countries that have single-payer systems are saving money and getting better results.

Some Republicans are already getting on board with single-payer because they see it is the ONLY way to save money and get acceptable results. I wish that other right-wingers would drop their ideological objections and be true to their own fiscal conservatism by supporting single-payer.

(I haven't forgotten to mention the Democrats. Congress is all right-wing, with the exception of a very few members.)

Think Green. Be Green. Vote Green.

-Hal
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"promote the general welfare ..."
Single Payer Health Care!

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BAUCUS MUST GO - VOTE OUT OUR REPS WHO AREN'T VOTING FOR HEALTHCARE FOR ALL OF US
Posted by: cori on May 25, 2009 10:09 PM   
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If we don't stand up and tell our reps that we will not vote for them if they don't do something about healthcare for all of us then we deserve what we get. We fought for unions and civil rights and now we have to fight for this. And guess what the fight doesn't end and it is wrong to just say we can't win! The single most important issue facing all of us. All of our lives are dependent on our right to health care. I own an international business and everyone without exception wants and is happy with their single payer system in their countries. It may not be perfect but it is a hell of a lot better then the one we have. We must fight for this and not just throw up our arms and say this can't be done.

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More to the story
Posted by: readera on May 26, 2009 2:07 PM   
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There's more to the story than even Baker tells. See another view here:

http://thesearethetimesmagazine.com/0905/

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» C'mon! Gimme more than that! Posted by: waterflaws
What change? Have we been fooled again?
Posted by: monkeywrench on May 28, 2009 11:09 AM   
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Obama now says that he wants to "fix" our healthcare system by building upon the current, broken, one. This is in opposition to his advocacy for a single-payer system when he was a senator and candidate.

Obama turns over $750 billion to Wall Street with nary a stipulation, but forces General Motors, the second largest automaker in the world, into bankruptcy, threatening the suppliers for the rest of the industry and the jobs of, potentially, THREE MILLION workers.

The "war in Iraq continues, and the "war" in Afghanistan is escalated, after Obama having spoken of ending them as a candidate – and with NO MENTION of reining in and prosecuting war profiteering corporations (which, we must assume, are still cashing in on Iraq's misery).

There is, so far, no motivation by Obama's administration to prosecute, or even seriously investigate, Bush administration members for some of the most heinous crimes of the late 20th and early 21st centuries, committed under cover of the highest authority and having destroyed America's reputation in the world. (So far, we have been embarrassed by the Spanish, who are willing to do it.)

None of this is "change we can believe in."

Beware of the Trojan Horse – especially one who speaks in soothing tones.

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