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Washington's Imperial Attitude: We Talk About Countries Like We Own Them

By Tom Engelhardt, Tomdispatch.com. Posted May 9, 2009.


It's the norm for U.S. civilian and military leaders to talk about what other countries "must do" -- but it's a radical and dangerous mindset.

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A front-page New York Times headline last week put the matter politely indeed: "In Pakistan, U.S. Courts Leader of Opposition." And nobody thought it was strange at all.

In fact, it's the sort of thing you can read just about any time when it comes to American policy in Pakistan or, for that matter, Afghanistan. It's just the norm on a planet on which it's assumed that American civilian and military leaders can issue pronunciamentos about what other countries must do; publicly demand various actions of ruling groups; opt for specific leaders, and then, when they disappoint, attempt to replace them; and use what was once called "foreign aid," now taxpayer dollars largely funneled through the Pentagon, to bribe those who are hard to convince.

Last week as well, in a prime-time news conference, President Obama said of Pakistan: "We want to respect their sovereignty, but we also recognize that we have huge strategic interests, huge national security interests in making sure that Pakistan is stable and that you don't end up having a nuclear-armed militant state."

To the extent that this statement was commented on, it was praised here for its restraint and good sense. Yet, thought about a moment, what the president actually said went something like this: When it comes to U.S. respect for Pakistan's sovereignty, this country has more important fish to fry. A look at the historical record indicates that Washington has, in fact, been frying those "fish" for at least the last four decades without particular regard for Pakistani sensibilities.

In a week in which the presidents of both Pakistan and Afghanistan have, like two satraps, dutifully trekked to the U.S. capital to be called on the carpet by Obama and his national security team, Washington officials have been issuing one shrill statement after another about what U.S. media reports regularly term the "dire situation" in Pakistan.

Of course, to put this in perspective, we now live in a thoroughly ramped-up atmosphere in which "American national security" -- defined to include just about anything unsettling that occurs anywhere on Earth -- is the eternal preoccupation of a vast national security bureaucracy. Its bread and butter increasingly seems to be worst-case scenarios (perfect for our 24/7 media to pounce on) in which something truly catastrophic is always about to happen to us, and every "situation" is a "crisis." In the hothouse atmosphere of Washington, the result can be a feeding frenzy in which doomsday scenarios pour out. Though we don't recognize it as such, this is a kind of everyday extremism.

Being Hysterical in Washington

As the recent release of more Justice Department torture memos (which were also, in effect, torture manuals) reminds us, we've just passed through eight years of such obvious extremism that the present everyday extremity of Washington and its national security mindset seems almost a relief.

We naturally grasp the extremity of the Taliban -- those floggings, beheadings, school burnings, bans on music, the medieval attitude toward women's role in the world -- but our own extremity is in no way evident to us. So Obama's statement on Pakistani sovereignty is reported as the height of sobriety, even when what lies behind it is an expanding "covert" air war and assassination campaign by unmanned aerial drones over the Pakistani tribal lands, which has reportedly killed hundreds of bystanders and helped unsettle the region.

Let's stop here and consider another bit of news that few of us seem to find strange. Mark Lander and Elizabeth Bumiller of the New York Times offered this tidbit out of an overheated Washington last week: "President Obama and his top advisers have been meeting almost daily to discuss options for helping the Pakistani government and military repel the [Taliban] offensive." Imagine that. Almost daily. It's this kind of atmosphere that naturally produces the bureaucratic equivalent of mass hysteria.

In fact, other reports indicate that Obama's national security team has been convening regular "crisis" meetings and having "nearly nonstop discussions" at the White House, not to mention issuing alarming and alarmist statements of all sorts about the devolving situation in Pakistan, the dangers to Islamabad, our fears for the Pakistani nuclear arsenal, and so on. In fact, Warren Strobel and Jonathan Landy of McClatchy news service quote "a senior U.S. intelligence official" (from among the legion of anonymous officials who populate our nation's capital) saying: "The situation in Pakistan has gone from bad to worse, and no one has any idea about how to reverse it. I don't think 'panic' is too strong a word to describe the mood here."


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Tom Engelhardt, editor of Tomdispatch.com, is co-founder of the American Empire Project and author of The End of Victory Culture.

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Obama Officials Talk About Countries Like They Own Them -- Anyone Else Think That's Strange?
Posted by: Quist on May 9, 2009 12:19 AM   
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No...it has been going on for decades...but like all empires before us, we to will fall. The question is, "How far?"

Part of the imperialistic problem lies with the dogmatic belief of American exceptionalism and the other part of course is greed and gluttony. The world is changing though and not to the benefit of American imperialism.

Hold on to your hats because this is going to be one wild ride IMO.

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The Beggar Superpower
Posted by: DrBrian on May 9, 2009 2:06 AM   
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It's been noticed in Asia that we're spending unheard-of sums on war and our military, pushing other countries around, and at one and the same time borrowing like crazy from the Chinese and Japanese to keep it all going. The world's imperial ruler is also its greatest debtor nation.

Unfortunately, imperial hubris comes as naturally to Obama as to his predecessor.

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As long as Emanuel/Likud infects
Posted by: weathered on May 9, 2009 3:35 AM   
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the White House, deception, hubris and ultimately hate will prevail.

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Barack Hussein Obama: The Worst Democrat Ever™
Posted by: Perry Logan on May 9, 2009 3:37 AM   
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If Hillary is issuing crazy statements, it's because she is working for The Worst Democrat Ever.

Early clues that an Obama Presidency was gonna suck:
Obama let slums fester in his Chicago district
Obama voted for the Cheney energy bill.
Obama conducted a smear campaign during the primaries.
Obama stole the nomination.


100 days in, and it's obvious to a child: Barack Obama is The Worst Democrat Ever™!


Xe Technology: To Purify America

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» amen to that, nha16! Posted by: undrgrndgirl
Look let's get this straight
Posted by: NYmediator on May 9, 2009 4:44 AM   
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America rules the world. Why? Because God gave it to us to rule. What more proof do you need than that? Didn't God graciously give us the atomic bomb so we could slaughter thousands of innocent Japanese and send the commies a message? Didn't God anoint Lt. William Calley to do his work in Vietnam for the greater glory of Dow Chemical and other major US corporations? Didn't God send us Henry Kissinger as part of his Holy Writ to protect Israel no matter how high the corpses of brown skinned people rise? These people don't look like us - they don't worship the right God. Killing them is not merely geopolitically necessary, it's divinely ordered!

Look at us! See how perfectly powerful, noble and just we are! The Pope thinks he is 'infallible?' HA! Our Fuhre, er, President has more tanks than the Pope and therefore outranks him on the morality scale.

We rule! And if you don't agree, we'll kill you.

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» RE: Look let's get this straight Posted by: sasquuatch55
We Broke them We bought them, with cold hard cash!
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 9, 2009 4:51 AM   
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When you're footing the bill for nearly all of them- whether we want to or not- I think we've bought a controlling share.
This 'Ownership' started LONG ago, when we began fiddling behind the scenes by installing Leaders. They not only opened the door to our countries access to their resources- but also the Corps. Reason the attacks are targeted at our countries MIC hubs- Pentagon, WTC and Seat of Gov't (WH Or Congress).
Now you want to claim it's the Obama admin who is seizing ownership...Really, where the hell ya been? Sleeping Rip?
Is it something we are proud of - NO. Not only because it makes US an imperialistic nation, but now they are all hopelessly dependent on those life lines of funds.
You should at least acknowledge the last round of Big Bucks we sent to Pakistan which was squandered, not doing a damn thing which had been agreed upon with the infusion of money. should we be a lil' Pissed- Absolutely. But will cutting off those funds resolve the issue of the breeding ground created now in pakistan-No. So they are as much victims of our controlling interest as we are forced to continue feeding their addiction.
Hell th eRight is bitching about controlling interest in our car corps, yet say nothing about the controlling shares we own in other countries- and it's not just in the ME- Hell we still have military bases in Western countries quite capable of defending themselves!! In fact let's talk about the parasitic relationship we have with Isreal! A case where the parasite has seized control over the Host.
So Good Morning Sunshine! Perhaps you'd like to join US in eliminating some of these extraneous revolving costs we've incurred over the last century.Let's start with Isreal & Saudi Arabia, then roll up shop in Germany and Japan, then work our way through the other leaches, perhaps by then we can pull the IV line out of the Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan- at least those present a real need for cash infusions to really protect US from threats.We broke Those Three and repair or reimbursement has yet to be paid.It the ones we have bought and paid for, several times over we need to close the accounts on.

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Don't even try it
Posted by: marjani on May 9, 2009 4:56 AM   
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That imperialist talk has been going on a long time and you're probably too young to remember. America, period, has believed it was superior to and "owned" other nations long before Obama's people came along. They just don't know how to stop the talk of 1000 generations in this day and age. America has wanted to take over the world as badly as Hitler did, for centuries. This isn't news, this is par for the course. That's how Africa got ravaged in the first place - imperialistic arrogance in those 'certain' Americans.

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going back to a grade school history book in the '60's, remember...
Posted by: ellie on May 9, 2009 5:13 AM   
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a newspaper editorial cartoon reproduced from the Roosevelt era showing a globe and a baton swinging keystone cop figure... heading ...'America, the world's cop'...

when are we going to get over this idea that we rule the world??? manifest destiny was the book chapter heading...

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AMERICANS
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on May 9, 2009 7:01 AM   
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talk about OTHER NATIONS
OTHER PEOPLES
OTHER CULTURES
&
OTHER RESOURCES

as if they own them.

CONSTANTLY.
with the common theme
seemingly as if BEING ABUSED OR ASSIMILATED is the BEST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN
apparently because EVERYTHING AMERICAN... is the BEST!!

& punctuate every & any political or ethical discussion with jabbering about "American Dream"s, "American Values", "American Way"...

AMERICAN INTERESTS


over & over & over & over...

like STUCK RECORDS

without *any apparent clue* that they're using propagandic, tautological terms for which...

nobody can agree what they mean, anyway
.

I'd like to see someone try to explain the **uniqueness* of the American Dream... & how it justifies destroying the lives of thousands, if not billions of 'non-Americans'

someone try explaining to a woman whose daughter was raped & abused by a military thug in the US military, Okinawa or Iraq what the 'American Values' might resemble...

or to a Columbian union leader whose family was raped by Coca-Cola goons trained by WHINSEC...

YOU ARE WHAT YOU DO, not what you'd like to say you prefer everyone would say you collectively believe.

& sometimes...
...OTHER PEOPLES...
might have two bloody clues about what is best for themselves.

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Imperialism is not just irritating
Posted by: daw13 on May 9, 2009 7:39 AM   
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as this article suggests. It's may be just plain dangerous -- for us. Apparently it isn't politically correct on the Left to suggest that those we bother cannot effectively bother us back. This piece, in fact, makes fun of the idea. It also ignores the fact that ongoing imperialism (not really much difference between Obama and Bush in this regard) has a much darker side than merely attempting to control foreign powers. To all in the world but us, it appears that our powers-that-be study George Orwell's 1984 as a blueprint for the future. Too many people, not enough energy; too little water, too much anger; etc. -- much easier to let people die than to incude them. They're overpopulating anyhow (forget how our undermining the natural development of their societies has tended to produce this effect).

What no one will discuss openly, is whether imperialism is in fact merely Machiavellianism, clumsy but doable; or social pathology. Can imperialism keep us safe at terrible cost? Or is it likely to bring cataclysm upon us all. The author will pooh-pooh this suggestion, I'm sure, as hysteria. But more than enough evidence suggests that it needs to be seriously addressed by the best scholars in the land.

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Tom Miller
Posted by: milltom on May 9, 2009 8:03 AM   
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Karzai, although he had not political base, was "our man" in Kabul, and he quickly aligned with the war lords, who lacked popular support but had the guns - which is why the long suffering Afghans are caught between corrupt warlords and the Taliban. Unless a popular independent coalition can form to oppose Karzai in the August elections, Afghanistan's fate is sealed and ultimately the Taliban, with growing support and singleness of purpose, will take over again unless the U.S. is committed forever to the warlords and their corrupt rule. And the longer the U.S. conducts its war against the Taliban, the more it will be hated by the populace for the havoc caused by the war. The only solution is for the U.S. to walk away from the war, offering intelligent international aid in place of the bombs.

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Whle we are murdering innocent people the Pentagon is handing out bibles
Posted by: cori on May 9, 2009 9:37 AM   
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Not only do we act like we can just go into any nation and murder innocent people our soldiers are preaching religion while they musrder!

My husband and I have been reading about the Evangelical generals in the Pentagon and most recently is it was discussed on the Bill Maher show, and we saw a documentary about the “Christian Embassy” and saw top Pentagon officials promoting this and the movement that is ensconsed at the highest levels of the Pentagon. We learned that Cadets are being forced to watch the PASSION OF CHRIST and soldiers, as if on some kind of crusade, are handing out bibles in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan to Muslims. This is an extremely worrisome situation and will only prove to be a deadly strategy along with drones in any military intervention. One has to ask, what are we trying to achieve? First what business does the military have trying to spread a specific religion as part of a war agenda? This is lunacy. 2nd. the Evangelical religion, which is an extremist form of Christianity itself, believes in "End Times" and the "Apocalypse". So they go into these nations killing men, women and children, while they are spreading the word of God which is essentially about peace and love? This is a very sick and distorted way to conduct business. Or are they creating a prophecy that they have dreamed up? This is just too insane for words. This horrible, faction must be removed from the Pentagon if we are to be safe. It is hard to believe that sophisticated, educated, military men have been replaced by religious fanatics who may serve to lead our world to destruction, a belief that is a fundamental part of their religion! In stead of focusing on aid, global warming, energy reform and healthcare we are giving trillions to the military to engage in some kind of insane religious crusade that is sadistic, destructive, tyrannical and unethical. It is bad enough that we are spending billions per week for the Iraq war while our nation is in a DEPRESSION, while we have no national health care, while we are watching our ice caps melt, the only source for shielding us from the suns heat while we are ignoring the fact that our oceans are dying and there are six times more plastic in our seas then Plankton, while we are headed for global catastrophe. And in the midst of all this we have lunatics leading our armies into a holy war? This will surely be an apocalypse created by ONLY BY US.

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Yes, but watch out for double standard!
Posted by: openeyeandy on May 9, 2009 12:21 PM   
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I venture to say that many who agree with the premise of this article (myself included) seem to think it's okay, if not imperative, that the U.S. tell Israel what it can and cannot do. Just a guess. As a person leaning "progressive," I get tired of the double standards when it comes to Israel and the unexamined anti-Israeli attitudes on AlterNet in so-called progressive media.

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Anyone Else Think That's Strange?
Posted by: jooljetkmae on May 9, 2009 2:29 PM   
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No. What is strange about this? Saint Obama is a liberal imperialist, an imperialist of the worst sort. This is because when he escalates the U.S. aggression against Afghanistan it is made to look nicer than when Bush does it. Aggression by the world's greatest military power is aggression by the world's greatest military power, whether it is being done by a hated Republican president or a popular snake oil salesman Democrat from Chicago.

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SOONER OR LATER THE US WORKING CLASSES WILL OVERTHROW THE US CAPITALIST SYSTEM !!
Posted by: skepticgod on May 9, 2009 5:31 PM   
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Hello all: Indeed, I am sorry that most people in the USA even with all the information available to them are so un-aware of the conspiracy of the capitalist, imperialist system by the powers that be. And how the capitalist system has evolved into what Lenin wrote "Imperialism: The Highest stage of the capitalist system". USA is not still at a revolutionary situtation but if things continue in the USA the way they are in which the capitalist ruling classes of this country continue robbing the US working classes, sooner or later there will be a revolution. The US working classes need to unite and overthrow their exploiters !!.

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A faint understanding of how the world sees the US
Posted by: phindrup on May 9, 2009 5:39 PM   
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Goodness! Tom Engelhardt has a glimmering of understanding as to how the rest of the world sees the US. One out of how many million?
The other ‘hilarious’ issue that surfaces regularly is how the US is ‘training’ the various militia.
Can somebody remind me when the US ever — er last ‘won’ anything that looked like a military confrontation?
Yes, I guess the US can claim that it ‘won’ the civil war — though to me that merely stands as first of an unending failure in diplomacy/negotiating skill — but in everything else the US mirrors Israel, mighty warriors when with overwhelming firepower power and use of the latest geewhiz technology they sometimes manage to destroy an unorganised and unarmed ‘enemy’.

History would suggest that the US takes lessons from almost any or all of its past and present ‘enemies, who manage to far more effective with a mere fraction of the resources the US burns in such endeavours.

The final point is that eventually some of those who fall under the designation of ‘enemy’ — applied by the US to anyone who will not bow to the mighty ‘leader’ — will take you seriously and bring the war to the US. No idiot, not with fleets and invasion, but with the warfare that the US is so incapable of dealing with. How many US cities would they have to blow up before the US was ungovernable? Before panic and internal frictions turned to open warfare?

I would think two at the most.

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USA NEEDS A SOCIALIST-PARTY TO RISE TO POWER AND SMASH THE BOURGEOISE-STATE !!
Posted by: skepticgod on May 9, 2009 5:43 PM   
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USA NEEDS A SOCIALIST-PARTY TO RISE TO POWER AND SMASH THE BOURGEOISE-STATE !!

WHAT USA NEEDS IS A TEMPORARY DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAN !!

"The dictatorship of the proletariat is a stubborn struggle, bloody and bloodless, violent and peaceful, military and economic, educational and administrative against the forces and traditions of the old society." -Lenin

The dictatorship of the proletariat is the instrument of the proletarian revolution, its organ, its most important mainstay, brought into being for the purpose of, firstly, crushing the resistance of the overthrown exploiters and consolidating the achievements of the proletarian revolution, and secondly, carrying the revolution to the complete victory of socialism

The dictatorship of the proletariat arises not on the basis of the bourgeois order, but in the process of the breaking up of this order, after the overthrow of the bourgeoisie, in the process of the expropriation of the landlords and capitalists, in the process of the socialisation of the principal instruments and means of production, in the process of violent proletarian revolution

Under capitalism the exploited masses do not, nor can they ever, really participate in governing the country, if for no other reason than that, even under the most democratic regime, under conditions of capitalism, governments are not set up by the people but by the Rothschilds and Stinneses, the Rockefellers and Morgans.

Democracy under capitalism is capitalist democracy, the democracy of the exploiting minority, based on the restriction of the rights of exploited majority and directed against this majority.

Only under the proletarian dictatorship are real liberties for the exploited and real participation of the proletarians and peasants in governing the country possible. Under the dictatorship of the proletariat, democracy is proletarian democracy, the democracy of the exploited majority, based on the restriction of the rights of the exploiting minority and directed against this minority.

The dictatorship of the proletariat cannot arise as the result of the peaceful development of bourgeois society and of bourgeois democracy; it can arise only as the result of the smashing of the bourgeois state machine, the bourgeois army, the bourgeois bureaucratic apparatus, the bourgeois police.

Therefore, Lenin is right in saying:

"The proletarian revolution is impossible without the forcible destruction of the bourgeois state machine and the substitution for it of a new one" (see Vol. XXIII, P. 342)

Soviet power as the state form of the dictatorship of the proletariat. The victory of the dictatorship of the proletariat signifies the suppression of the bourgeoisie, the smashing of the bourgeois state machine and the substitution of proletarian democracy for bourgeois democracy

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Most voters choose to elect that kind of attitude pols and persecute us for warning them about this.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on May 9, 2009 5:49 PM   
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First, most of these pols campaign in phoney modes and pretend "sympathy" and reaching out and they waste millions, if not billions, in taxpayer money lying their teeth out. If that's not enough, there's always the kangaroo courts and the sloppy media, right or left, that supports the elitist attitudes in Washington. And what do most voters do about it? The few of us who know better are persecuted by those who want to preach about "electability", "viability", "lesser of the two evils", "personality", or whatever populism nonsense. On the one hand, I could laugh at all this foolishness and yet the other side of me feels like mourning because in the end we all suffer for those doing all the blind loyalty and voting. How do you people who went through all that trouble wasting your time and money putting party over the issues feel now that your candidate, almost always Democrat or Republican, sold you out yet again? The pols in Washington are counting on your blind loyalty and fundie attitudes to keep their imperialist attitudes running high and almighty. In all my voting moments, when I vote on local, state, or federal level elections, my voting based on the issues and the honesty of the candidate has resulted in voting independent 9 out of 10 times. Rarely, have I voted Democrat or Republican as a result. How many more elections are you going to keep voting based on media frenzy and is this what you plan on teaching your future generations to keep doing? If so, you're buying into the "IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH" Orwellian phrase. At this rate, the USA will be burning faster than Rome.

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I am a political-realist. I voted for Obama. Not voting for Obama would've mean: Sarah Palin !!
Posted by: skepticgod on May 9, 2009 6:22 PM   
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I am a political-realist. I voted for Obama. Not voting for Obama would've mean: Sarah Palin !!

As corporate, as zionist, as imperialist and as liar as Obama and Joe Biden are. Not voting for Obama and Joe Biden, would've mean Mccain and Palin !!Even Caligula, The Devil, Hitler and Attila the Hun are better than Mccain and Palin !!!

In the political-realist world, voting for Obama and Joe Biden was necessary by the left, because of the fact that there was not a United Socialist Party in USA that could take on Mccain and Palin.

We in this world, have to be scientific, and realists, not utopians like anarchists. Not voting for Obama and Biden in the last presidential elections would've mean Mccain and Palin for 4 long years of a possible Nuclear Armageddon even against US's allies and against the people of this world.

Mccain and Palin even talked about bombing Spain !!

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LOL
Posted by: GoKanuks on May 9, 2009 8:43 PM   
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Well, seeing as the US has become the new World Police Department, I guess they do own them! The new World Order!

RT
Online PRivacy when it COunts

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And all
Posted by: wormfarmer on May 10, 2009 10:43 AM   
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of these emerging governments dutifully follow america's example. Could we possibly provide them a responsible vision of the future that is not empirical? The time for practicing aggression is past. Let us practice being stewards of the earth instead of conquerers.

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Iran and Russia should be leading effort to lessen violence levels in Pakistan and Afghanistan
Posted by: Garvagh on May 10, 2009 10:54 AM   
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Bravo! Iran and Russia should be taking the lead in working out the best means of lowering the level of violence in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The US is unable to act effectively, not least because the Israel lobby cripples any normal communication with Iran and Russia about these problems.

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An anology
Posted by: willymack on May 10, 2009 12:40 PM   
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In my hometown there's a street with two lanes each way that exactly divides a residential area and a business area. As in most of the US, the speed limit is 25 mph. Sometimes it's 35, but in most cases it's 25 as with this street. When I drive down this street, I observe the speed limit,knowing that there'll be kids and pets running about and because IT'S THE LAW. People whiz by me at 40 mph, often throwing me angry glances as if I were in the wrong, and/or they have a better idea of how fast to go. Our foreign policy is run by speeding fatheads like this. They're heedless of the fact that foreign nations are soverign, and their people are every bit as smart as we are, and often smarter. They fail to imagine that if someone like the Taliban get hold of some of the nukes in Pakistan, that the locals there would, in all probability, take effective measures to head off a deadly confrontation. The habit of obtruding into the affairs of other nations is so deeply ingrained here that we consider it a right and an obligation. This is fostered by corporate interests, intent on making money, no matter how morally repugnant the methods. They speed breezily by, heedless of the law or consequences of their actions.

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» RE: An anology Posted by: Quannah
America has ALWAYS had a problem telling "people" from "Government"
Posted by: BigRon on May 10, 2009 4:50 PM   
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...Take a look back at the two "Gulf Wars". Americans were told - almost daily - that Britain, Poland, and other "nations" supported the USA. In reality, the US Government had managed to arm-twist, bully, or bribe a handful of politicians in those countries into declaring their support. In the UK, in Poland and in Japan the PEOPLE took to the streets to demonstrate the reality that THEY didn't buy into the wars. In the UK, Blair's support for the war (and his readiness to believe GW's worthless assurances) have destroyed his political party and Blair's political career. Bliar couldn't get elected second assistant dog catcher in the UK.

The same old story - confusing the views of a handful of politicians with the views of "the People" as a whole - isn't exactly new. Nor is American bribery, bullying and arm-twisting. It didn't begin with GW, and it didn't end with him either. It's been going on for decades. In the most recent presidential election in the USA, the concept of "REAL Americans" reared its head for the first time. Seems to me to be little more than a variation on an old theme; a pretext for ignoring the inconvenient majorities of citizens who just might disagree with US Foreign policy. The world owes GW a debt of gratitude: he was a president who was BAD enough that people could no longer "ignore the elephant in the drawing room". America has finally got the reputation it deserves: greedy, inclined to pointless violence, spiteful, arrogant and (above all) untrustworthy. And it continues to be so, because the system of government allows it to be so. SO... you got a new president. Did anything AT ALL change to ensure that the next president isn't a clone of GW? No, it didn't. SS, DD.

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What's with AlterNet changing their articles' titles.
Posted by: Quist on May 10, 2009 9:02 PM   
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The original title of this story was...

"Obama Officials Talk About Countries Like They Own Them -- Anyone Else Think That's Strange?"

...and now it is...

"Washington's Imperial Attitude: We Talk About Countries Like We Own Them"

This also happened a few days ago with a vegan article. These changes are not to fix grammatical or spelling errors...the editors are actually changing the meaning of the titles to fit a certain view or politics. IMO, this is just dishonest and disingenuous journalism. As a progressive independent, I am really disappointed.

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v
Posted by: villager1 on May 11, 2009 12:46 AM   
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From time immemorial Empire's have come and gone - we are still digging up the ruins! - just another one going down the tube Nature in her own time will swallow them all up and regurgitate the bits for those in later centuries to discover and wonder about!

Wish I could be around to see the catastrophy and the cleansing!

Consumption - Consumption - Consumption! - it has to end somewhere! Regardless of what the experts say there is a limit to everything - we cannot live forever!

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Brian boru
Posted by: brian boru on May 11, 2009 9:05 AM   
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It is incredible that such a phychotic paranoid place as the USA should think that the rest of the world would find any favor in it. What a bizarre thought.

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Well said, Tom Engelhardt, well said.
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on May 12, 2009 8:12 AM   
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And, having said the same for decades, I'll settle for that.

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