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The Good Times as We Knew it Aren't Coming Back, So Now What?
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This article is excerpted from William Greider's new book, Come Home, America. Copyright © 2009 by William Greider. Permission granted by Rodale Inc.
As Franklin Roosevelt understood, Americans will postpone immediate gratification and endure hard sacrifices -- if they must -- so long as they are convinced the future can be better than the past. But we face a far more difficult problem at our moment in history. What do you promise people who have been told they can have anything they want, who are repeatedly congratulated for living in the best of all possible circumstances? How do you tell them "the good times," as we have known them, are not coming back? Americans need a new vision that helps them deal with reality, a promising story of the future that helps them let go of the past.
Here is the grand vision I suggest Americans can pursue: the right of all citizens to larger lives. Not to get richer than the next guy or necessarily to accumulate more and more stuff but the right to live life more fully and engage more expansively the elemental possibilities of human existence. That is the essence of what so many now seem to yearn for in their lives. People -- even successful and affluent people -- are frustrated because the intangible dimensions of life have been held back or displaced in large and small ways, pushed aside by the economic system's relentless demands to maximize yields of profit and wealth. Our common moral verities have been trashed in the name of greater returns. The softer aspects of mortal experience are diminished because life itself is not tabulated in the economic system's accounting.
The political order mistakenly accepts these life-limiting trade-offs as normal, as necessary to achieve "good times." At earlier periods of our history, the sacrifices demanded by the engine of American capitalism were widely tolerated because the nation was young and underdeveloped. The engine promised to generate higher levels of abundance, and it did. But what is the justification now, when the nation is already quite rich and the engine keeps demanding larger chunks of our lives?
What families, even those who are prosperous, typically lose in the exchange are the small grace notes of everyday life, like the ritual of having a daily dinner with everyone present. The more substantial thing we sacrifice is time to experience the joys and mysteries of nurturing the children, the small pleasures of idle curiosity, of learning to craft things by one's own hand, and the satisfactions of friendships and social cooperation.
These are made to seem trivial alongside wealth accumulation, but many people know they have given up something more important and mourn the loss. Some decide they will make up for it later in life, after they are financially stable. Still others dream of dropping out of the system. If we could somehow add up all the private pain and loss caused by the pursuit of unbounded material prosperity, the result might look like a major political grievance of our time.
More important than all the other losses is that people are also denied another great intangible -- the dignity of self-directed lives. At work, at home and in the public sphere, most people lack the right to exercise much of a voice in the decisions governing their daily lives. Most people (not all) are subject to a system of command and control over their destinies. They know the risks of ignoring the orders from above. Not surprisingly, many citizens are resigned to this condition and accept subservience as "the way things are," and their lives are smaller as a result. Many find it hard to imagine that these confinements could be lessened, even substantially removed, if economic organizations were informed by democratic principles.
What's needed in American life is a redefinition of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Given the nation's great wealth, the ancient threats of scarcity and deprivation have been eliminated. Yet people remain yoked to economic demands despite wanting something more from life -- freedom to explore the mysteries and bring forth all that is within them. Collectively, Americans need to take a deep breath and reconsider what it means to be rich.
The challenge, as John Maynard Keynes wrote long ago, is how "to live wisely and agreeably and well" once desperation and deprivation are no longer the driving forces of our existence. As the British economist predicted, the old economic problems of scarcity and survival have been solved, at least for developed nations. People should put aside the old fears, Keynes suggested, and learn how to enjoy life. Free of want and worry, we face a new challenge: to discover what it means to be truly human.
That wondrous pursuit is what I recommend as the alternative to our old definition of progress. In the years ahead, Americans will suffer unavoidable losses of familiar pleasures and be compelled to alter some deeply ingrained habits of material consumption. These painful adjustments can be endured if the people are confident the country is progressing toward a more fulfilling transformation. The essential trade-off could be expressed on a bumper sticker: Smaller Cars for Larger Lives.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on May 8, 2009 1:24 AM
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Great piece! A tad Utopian? There's nothing you can do that can't be done. It's easy....
Well, okay, no dream on such a scale is easy. But a massive overhaul of our priorities and expectations is not too difficult to imagine....
Imagine.
A revolution of thought? Only the people know just how to change the world. Someone once said (Does anyone know who the hell it was that said it?) that it is always darkest just before the dawn. Are we at the eve of that new day? Well a million heads are better than one so come on.
The G.O.Pizza Party
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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» RE: You may say I'm a dreamer....
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» Oh yA it's "HOPE you can Believe In" ALL over... Right Degan?
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» OBAMA: INCREDIBLE LIAR or DUFUS?
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» RE: Emptiness in My Life? I WANT A JOB SO I CAN FILL the emptiness in my BELLY!
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» Charlie Rose is a bilderberger.
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» RE: I get little solace
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» Im not sure why my post was removed?
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Posted by: Perry Logan on May 8, 2009 2:57 AM
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Liberals differ from just about every other political group in America in their belief that government exists to empower people.
By contrast, conservatives, libertarians, conspiracy people, and most third-party types think government is the problem--as they never tire of repeating.
You will note that this is a markedly pathological idea. Since goverment is an essential part of society, hating the government is analogous to hating one of your own vital organs--it can't possibly be good for you.
For a brief period in the 90s, I held a clerical position for a legal services office which supplied good lawyers at low cost to poor citizens here in Texas. It was a classic liberal-style outfit which helped empower poor Americans who could not afford a lawyer.
At this point, the Repubs took over Congress and instantly shut down the legal services office for which I worked. Why? Because they had tried to help a physically abused wife get a divorce.
So the office was closed. Since then, poor people who need lawyers in Texas can just go beg.
This encapsules the difference between liberals and everybody else. Of all the political groups in the U.S. we are the only one who can use government to help make Mr. Greider's goals come true. I'm quite sure there is no other way.
Sadly, President Obama and the Democrats in Congress are nothing like the Democrats we need.
But it's questionable logic to conclude that liberalism is no good. It only means the Democratic Party has been dragged ignominously to the right by these past years of runaway Republican corruption--and that we need to get it back to being a truly liberal party.
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» Perry Logan....
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» AFTERTHOUGHT:
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» RE: Perry Logan....
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» HUMOR: Liberal Bumper Sticker
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» I'd get one myself
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» Do you realise how full of shit you are?
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Posted by: outlook on May 8, 2009 3:42 AM
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on May 8, 2009 4:04 AM
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We also call for the repeal of the Seventeenth Amendment. Its enactment greatly reduced the power of our state legislatures and state governments which are much closer to the people and damaged our system of federalism.
Now cut off your John Lennon records and get back to work damm hippie
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» RE: just Repeal the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Amendments
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» I find your lack of cynicism disturbing.
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» As I recall, you're a Nihilist who claims "there's no such thing as society".
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» Hey PrarieWaif, you forgot
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» Okay. Just let us know when you get back to work.
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» RE: just Repeal the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Amendments
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» the old fashion way
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» you dont have to repeal the 16th cause it was never properly ratified in the first place.
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» RE: you dont have to repeal the 16th cause it was never properly ratified in the first place.
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» True, these guys no longer care about the rule of law anymore....
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Posted by: ellie on May 8, 2009 4:39 AM
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seems like we are headed to one tier where the banks, mega-corps and wall street play by themselves... no one seems to be taking them seriously as in the recent past... the second tier is a society that is beginning to form without them... and this seems to be making the $$ guys scared...
examples:
this year has been the highest sales spring for veggie and flower seeds in recent memory... come late summer, the gardens will be ready... the impact on the food industry has them going nuts already with scare tactics...
credit unions are popping up as fast as dandelions...
co-ops are starting to form outside of groups you's expect...
people are starting to form small businesses at the kitchen table from something they are good at and would do for trade and self-satisfaction not get rich quick schemes...
going to be interesting... back to coffee...
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» forgot...
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» RE: forgot...
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» RE: there is already a divide begining...
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» What I really like are the "employee owned coops" arising....
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» RE: there is already a divide begining...
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» start your own...
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» I applaud your suggestions, but there is a bill in congress that would make that illegal...
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» They use fear to make us spend, then when we do, the crisis goes away...
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Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing on May 8, 2009 5:53 AM
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» It will be as good as "WE MAKE IT" which means you have to be involved this time.
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Posted by: sawdust on May 8, 2009 6:13 AM
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» I'd like to see you people try it.
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» Was that sarcasm or are you serious???? lol WE just saw over the past 9 years....
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» If you want the government to serve the people.
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» Actually, I am beginning to believe your right.... its encouraging...
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Posted by: undead on May 8, 2009 6:31 AM
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Pass the joint and put on some Led Zeppelin "Stairway to Heaven" , Man.
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» Yeah man, for many that will
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 8, 2009 6:41 AM
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We must view our situation withthe same committment and dedication our grandparents did.
This is why we must make the investment and work until we can no more to help pay it off. we must pay taxes to assure we give our kids the best education, the best healthcare, the cleanest environment, the most conflict free international community.
I'm 46, I knew long ago that purely from a demographics perspective I would never enjoy the type of retirment afforded the last few generations (parents, boomers). So I this economic downturn (well foreshadowed with the inception of the ass backwards ideology of Trickle Down), doesn't really freak me out, only solidifies and verifies what I already knew.
thi si swhy I get so pissed off by the Greedy mantra of 'Tax cuts'- not only are we demanding we be able to stick money into our pockets fro our own use, but we are doing nothing to pay down the debt for th efuture generations. Heads up Teabaggers Generational Theft has been in full swing since the '80's.It's just that NOW the vaults have finally been completely emptied.
Being in my 40's I will have to work to help support the Boomers who are rapidly aging, living longer (but not necessarily in better shape) and lost all their money in their 'Get rich quick Schemes.I will have to pay more taxes to care fro them, pay down the debt and provide for the needs of the younger generations.
So being a bargin hunter by Genetics ( scottish Frugal) or habit (Blue collar), I take solice in the fact that I will get a 2 for 1 Deal...Celebrating my Retirement on the same day as my Wake.
Get over it you whining sniveling pussies- Your Grandparents are watching! Toughen up and take your lumps- it's gonna be a long ride.
Oh and if you really want to do your kids and grand kids a favor- smoke a cigarette and eat some Cheese- Dying in a timely manner not only gives them an inheritance, but takes you off the expense column.
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» I'll hold a spot for you in the bread line
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» You said: "work until we can no more to help pay it off. we must pay taxes to assure we give .......
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» My parents and grandparents are dead.
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» Our children will be slaves like us, but even more so.
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» Not if we fucking fight back...... that is what I don't hear much, except on the right.
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Posted by: VanWinkle65 on May 8, 2009 6:44 AM
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RT
Is your ISP watching?
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» WANKER ALERT--Don't click on that link (IDENTITY THEFT!)
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» You are so right.... It took my heart attack to realize the giant scam....
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» What you are experincing is going from fear, to sorrow, and now we must move....
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» Its Gulity to say: American exceptionalism part One
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» RE: Its Gulity to say: American exceptionalism part One
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» Part Two American exceptionalism, we must wake up
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» RE: Part Two American exceptionalism, we must wake up
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» RE: Jen...I think I understand where you are coming from.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on May 8, 2009 6:48 AM
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Enormous Corporations now own and control most of the land throughout the World and they are rapidly destroying both the soil and seed diversity and imposing genetic mutations.
If this process is not reversed The food supply will rapidly diminish and Billions will starve to death.
If you think you can survive by growing your own vegetables in your garden - good luck to you.
Most people in the ghettos do not have that luxury.
Sure we are all going to a hell on earth.
It didn't have to be that way but we allowed psychopaths to control us.
They stiil do.
Read Seeds of Destruction by F William Engdahl
Tony
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Posted by: daw13 on May 8, 2009 6:55 AM
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on May 8, 2009 7:06 AM
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The quote above comes from the Declaration of Independence, and I believe that too many people need a refresher! Yes, money and the chasing of it have corrupted this nation! We have all been brainwashed by commercials and the need to "keep up with the Jones"! That is not a sustainable reality, and this economic crisis is a perfect time for us to break this hold of "want" on our lives!
Of course that means that we're going to have to break that same hold on those politicians that are on the hill also!! This is a perfect opportunity for us as a nation to get back to basics, and enrich our lives and those of our family, friends, neighbors, etc.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 8, 2009 7:09 AM
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Posted by: ClassAct on May 8, 2009 7:13 AM
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This is what the GOP must advocate if it wishes to rebrand itself as the party of small business as Newt Gingrich hopes, and it is what we must insist that Democrats do if we are to enjoy our time in this life.
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Posted by: FoonTheElder on May 8, 2009 7:26 AM
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What happens? The rich and powerful who own the government continue to get theirs, while everyone else slowly heads down the financial drain.
The United States is slowly becoming Brazil. A small number of people own the vast majority of the economy. Everyone else is powerless to change their situation, as the wealth of the system goes to the upper class and everyone else gets bread crumbs.
Bread crumbs don't allow anyone to buy new cars of any size or new homes of any size. Eventually it becomes not a matter of buying smaller luxuries, it's a matter of being able to buy luxuries at all.
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» RE: We could have a revolution. Citizens power is not lost yet.
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Posted by: Prophit on May 8, 2009 7:32 AM
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1. Ban all Banking and revert to Credit Unions owned by the depositors. Bankers and banking companies not allowed to own shares. All major brokerage houses will be made to relocate overseas.
2. Follow the constitution and eliminate all Foreign interests and lobbying grouops from coming near our elected officials or it will be a crime and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
3. All Campaign contributions are to be funded by the feds and all ads and press time to be given equally to all candidates. Concept of equal time reinstituted. Heavy penalties for slander and untruths. ELIMINATION OF ALL POLITICAL PARTIES WHO ACT AS ARMS OF THE SPECIAL INTERESTS. Candidates now run as individuals. NO LAWYERS.
4. No more federal manipulation of our school system and its social engineering. From now on parents and local officials must be involved with cirriculum and feedback with our schools.
5. Ban all violence games for our children, and no drugging them under the age of 18 with psychotropic drugs. If parenting is hard, deal with it.
6. Justice dept to enforce the Anti-Sherman Trust act and if they do not, they must be prosecuted as aiding and abetting all violations and will suffer the same penalties as those who violated the law. They will lose their bar certificate and forbidden to practice law anywhere in the nation.
7. Ban all GM seeds, reinstitute Organic or heritage seeds, heirloom seeds etc. No more chemicals such as Aspertame, MSG, and poisons in our food or CEO's will be sent to jail.
There is more, but you get the drift. Then we can rebuild our industries, crafts, families, and communities and reistitute farming in our own country and control our own food supply.
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» 8.
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» Speak for yourself Beck. You're the dumb fuck trying to tell others to kiss Obama's ass.
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» Boy, I have never seen you this mad.... good for you.
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» RE: Boy, I have never seen you this mad.... good for you.
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» So send her to a re-education camp. You know you want to. That would be 10. on the agenda...
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» That is easy if the differing points of view are based on "truth" and not fantasy.
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» 9.
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» A big SUPER YES on that one, hehe. :)
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» A big SUPER DITTO on that one.... hehe :)
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» strike 4 and 5
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Posted by: cori on May 8, 2009 8:27 AM
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You have to hand it to Wall Street. It wreaks havoc on the global economy, and the rest of us - as taxpayers - prop it up so that it can do it all over again.
We give the Wall Street banks trillions of dollars in bailout money, and they still fail to do their job, which is to loosen credit and provide the liquidity that businesses and consumers need. A major hedge fund - Cerberus Capital - plays chicken with President Obama in his effort to save Chrysler. Bankers spend millions lobbying to stop Congress from providing help to homeowners facing foreclosure. And, having failed to stop a Credit Card Bill of Rights in the House of Representatives, the banksters now aim to kill it in the Senate.
Because Bank of America, CitiBank, AIG, Goldman Sachs and the others are "too big to fail," Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner continues to redistribute astronomical sums of money from taxpayers to these giants of finance capitalism. And, predictably, they use our money to remain too big to fail as they extend their power in the most predictable ways. Thanks to us, the taxpayers, bankers still "own" the US Senate, as Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Illinois) put it. Thanks to us, the insurance companies and health maintenance organizations still have the clout to keep single-payer health care "off the table." And thanks to us, the huge financial supermarkets like CitiBank can still block a reenactment of anything like the New Deal's Glass-Steagall Act, which kept the high-rollers in investment banks from gambling with "the people's savings" in commercial banks. For those who forgot, Wall Street pushed the repeal of Glass-Steagall in 1999.
Why so many Americans put up with - and pay for - Wall Street's continued power, I will never understand, for all the easy ideological answers. I only know that Wall Street's power remains a fact of life, and not just for the United States. Kept alive by taxpayer dollars and government printing presses, the finance capitalists on Wall Street fully expect to continue shaping the global economy in their own image, exporting to the world the same high-risk derivatives that created the present crisis
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» You've assessed the problem correctly and brilliantly, now what about the solutions???
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» RE: You've assessed the problem correctly and brilliantly, now what about the solutions???
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» Well, that sounds like a good beginning, however, as a real solution here is the problem...
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Posted by: cori on May 8, 2009 8:31 AM
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Betting on a Global crap shoot
You have to hand it to Wall Street. It wreaks havoc on the global economy, and the rest of us - as taxpayers - prop it up so that it can do it all over again.
We give the Wall Street banks trillions of dollars in bailout money, and they still fail to do their job, which is to loosen credit and provide the liquidity that businesses and consumers need. A major hedge fund - Cerberus Capital - plays chicken with President Obama in his effort to save Chrysler. Bankers spend millions lobbying to stop Congress from providing help to homeowners facing foreclosure. And, having failed to stop a Credit Card Bill of Rights in the House of Representatives, the banksters now aim to kill it in the Senate.
Because Bank of America, CitiBank, AIG, Goldman Sachs and the others are "too big to fail," Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner continues to redistribute astronomical sums of money from taxpayers to these giants of finance capitalism. And, predictably, they use our money to remain too big to fail as they extend their power in the most predictable ways. Thanks to us, the taxpayers, bankers still "own" the US Senate, as Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Illinois) put it. Thanks to us, the insurance companies and health maintenance organizations still have the clout to keep single-payer health care "off the table." And thanks to us, the huge financial supermarkets like CitiBank can still block a reenactment of anything like the New Deal's Glass-Steagall Act, which kept the high-rollers in investment banks from gambling with "the people's savings" in commercial banks. For those who forgot, Wall Street pushed the repeal of Glass-Steagall in 1999.
Why so many Americans put up with - and pay for - Wall Street's continued power, I will never understand, for all the easy ideological answers. I only know that Wall Street's power remains a fact of life, and not just for the United States. Kept alive by taxpayer dollars and government printing presses, the finance capitalists on Wall Street fully expect to continue shaping the global economy in their own image, exporting to the world the same high-risk derivatives that created the present crisis
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Posted by: edgar_michel on May 8, 2009 9:31 AM
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Posted by: maxpayne on May 8, 2009 9:36 AM
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For example, tell my parents or my wife's parents about our dissatisfaction with our current president continuing the war-turned-occupation in Iraq and his plans to blow out Afghanistan and Pakistan and they'll blabber on about "war on terror" and the need to invest in war stocks.
Likewise, on the issue of healthcare, I bring up the issue of single payer healthcare to both my parent's and my wife's parents. For a minute, they like the idea but the next minute, they'll change the topic to lecturing us on investing in Eli Lily stocks on this so-called diabetes "wonder pill". In other words, we're told to shut up and cash in on people's stupid purchasing and forget holding our pols in Washington accountable with solutions such as single payer healthcare.
That's right, they want to think nothing of the need for real safety needs, just keep on getting addicted to the fucked up money churning on Wall $treet !! What does this tell us? This tells us that the American people are still hooked on to Gordon Gecko's "Greed is good" mantra hook, line, and sinker. And thanks to Obama and the Democrats in Congress, Bush's plans of more bailouts for Wall $treet at the expense of we the taxpayers on Main Street will be coming our way !!
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» Unfortunately Max, that is the way it is. People didn't start even waking up...
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Posted by: billwald on May 8, 2009 9:58 AM
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But say I am wrong and the American public has learned from this recent experience (fat chance of that!). If Americans have learned that it is not wise to buy toys on credit then the economy will stay depressed until the people have saved enough money so that they can pay cash for toys. 5 years?
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» Actually, the opposite happened. It didn't go down as it should have.
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on May 8, 2009 10:13 AM
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How many people DON'T know THAT allergies and asthma LEFT untreated will result in PERMANENT HANDICAPPING and/or death and even more so in children?
YOU CAN bet the DEMS knew and are still willing to sell down the river the PUBLIC BY insisting on dragging it's feet on kicking out the soc healthcare and bailout.
HOW MANY people don't know that the longer the DEMS drag their feet on KICKING out the bailout the HIGHER TAXES will have to go to offset the spending spree these WASH DC SLUGS are on.
Geightners so-called fix?? it's creating a re-inflation bubble scheduled to burst worse than the one we are in and it will occur in 7 years.
why is that relevant??? A YEAR LATER the bill for the bailout becomes due and payable and if the USA CANNOT PAY?? we will be owned by foreigners whom subscribe to sharia law.
To the present it's only one of the 1 % group of people attempting to destroy our Nation's economic systems.
WHY??? It was said to a WASH DC VIP---that the reason the Socialists think they will win this time and are doing this is because ACLU and their DEMS SLUGS -- they don't think American's are " smart enough" to care to let their fingers do the walking to protect their lands, their CONSTITUTION or their freedoms. The DEMS and ACLU don't think the 99% of American's will be 'smart enough" to CARE about their country, their homes, their small business enough to kick the WASH DC SLUGS out and send them packing by way of Balagovich for NOT doing what is right to protect PUBLIC freedoms and the free enterprise system (ie meaning small business/med business) and rights.
Therefore, they want to make sure they take all freedoms away from the public and they want to make it impossible for FREE ENTERPRISE to exist for the small business and mid business and sole proprietorship thru gravytraining BIG BUSINESS bankrupting our Nation and MUSCLING OUT the small/med sole proprietorships, and creating a welfare state. A move straight out of the marxist handbook. and by attempting to eradicate free speech.
Then, we will be SOCIALIST/GLOBALIST/MARX/FACIST/COMM COUNTRY and the marketplace will be MONOPOLIZED AND DOMINATED by the ENGORGED 1 or 2 or several big businesses in sector. Gone will be the hope for any American whom would wish to start a business and earn profit to live on
Seek legislative and LEGAL agencies to DISMANTLE the bailout and kick out the SOCIALIST stimulus.
see American center for law and justice
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wanna? know the latest??? Michael moore made a progpaganda film where they attempt to bamboozle the PUBLIC by claiming CUBA'S healthcare is better than the USA ....and that the USA should go to the CUBAN model for healthcare.
WANNA KNOW??? what the reality is and whaaat they are really HIDING... the reality is in CUBA people have to BEG FROM TOURISTS for allergy inhalers and aspirin. You can bet if Americans are allowed to be bamboozled into Socialist healthcare DEMS will make SURE USA is WORSE OFF than CUBA.
According to the new stimulus if your child needs antibiotics and the GOV only wants to give them Asprin or NOTHING guess whaaat they will get ASPIRIN or NOTHING.
Whats worse.. if your/adult/child are X percent sick they ARE LEFT TO DIE.
Soc healthcare is MORE expensive AND gives NO HEALTHCARE. We are no scholar, but you don't need to be a scholar to SEE whaaat is wrong with the DEMS scenario.
DEMS LIED to claim our healthcare system is broken. SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE is MORE EXPENSIVE and gives NO HEALTHCARE.
PEOPLE, OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.
THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.
ALLOWING the DEMS socialize healthcare not only would prove expensive but DEADLY. Think about it?? DEMS WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY BUT DENY PUBLIC the meds and services it needs while GOV POCKETS THE CASH TO SPEND ON PORK.
don't ALLOW yourselves to be put off seek LEGISLATIVE and LEGAL ACTION TO KICK STIMULUS OUT AND BAILOUT. go see --American center for law and justice
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» yeah, I love our health care, lets see, 800,000 deaths a year...
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ENGLAND---the NATIONAL HEALTHCARE JUST UP AND DECIDED TO HALT KNEE AND HIP REPLACEMENTS FOR OVERWEIGHT PEOPLE.
in SOUTH AFRICA- PATIENTS DIED after his life saving surgery was RE-CLASSIFIED as 'elective' and CANCELED seven YES THAT'S RIGHT SEVEN times until it was simply to late.
in AUSTRALIA man has been on a 90 day waiting PERIOD---for over 2 years.
in Canada -cancer patients have been DENIED life saving medicines that are standard treatment in USA and covered by USA INSURANCE.
ENGLAND AGAIN---- Alheimer's patients denied $5 a day drug that provides crucial relief because it's considered TOO EXPENSIVE.
CUBA---they are FORCED to BEG tourists for common medicines like allergy and asthma inhalers and even aspirin.
EVERYWHERE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE HAS BEEN TRIED IT HAS FAILED.
The DEMS BRAND of getting around using the term SOCIALIZED MEDICINE is to dress up their BIG GOVERNMENT schemes to bamboozle public by calling it UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE OR HEALTH CARE FOR ALL to 'diguise' the fact it should be labeled as HEALTHCARE FOR NONE so the BIG GOV can pocket the funds.
NO matter how these DEMS CALL soc med it always has the same RESULTS---RATIONED HEALTHCARE, DENIAL OF ESSENTIAL MEDICAL SERVICE, WAITING LISTS, MEDIOCRE MEDICINE, AND UNNECESSARY SUFFERING AND DEATH. and for whaaat?? so gov can pocket the funds. always the bottom line.
MEANWHILE WASH DC SLUGS end up with final say over your most intimate medical decisions NOT YOU AND NOT YOUR DOCTOR.
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wanna? know the latest??? Michael moore made a progpaganda film where they attempt to bamboozle the PUBLIC by claiming CUBA'S healthcare is better than the USA ....and that the USA should go to the CUBAN model for healthcare.
WANNA KNOW??? what the reality is and whaaat they are really HIDING... the reality is in CUBA people have to BEG FROM TOURISTS for allergy inhalers and aspirin. You can bet if Americans are allowed to be bamboozled into Socialist healthcare DEMS will make SURE USA is WORSE OFF than CUBA.
According to the new stimulus if your child needs antibiotics and the GOV only wants to give them Asprin or NOTHING guess whaaat they will get ASPIRIN or nothing. Soc healthcare is MORE expensive AND gives NO HEALTHCARE. We are no scholar, but you don't need to be a scholar to SEE whaaat is wrong with the DEMS scenario.
PEOPLE OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.
THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.
ALLOWING the DEMS socialize healthcare not only would prove expensive but DEADLY. Think about it?? DEMS WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY BUT DENY PUBLIC the meds and services it needs while GOV POCKETS THE CASH TO SPEND ON PORK.
TAKE A LOOK .. 50% OF BRITISH AND NEW ZEALANDS WOMEN diagnosed with breast cancer DIE. however, HERE IN USA only 1/5th breast cancer sufferers DIE FROM IT. did you know hair dye are directly linked to breast cancer??
25 % CANADIA men and 50% of british men diagnosed with prostrate cancer die from it. HERE, IN USA less than 1/5th men die from it.
BRITISH-ER'S with serious illnesses are 7 times more likely to die from them than AMERICANS with such conditions.
BRITISH-ERS are also 4 times MORE likely to DIE during major surgery than Americans.
IN most countries if you are OVER A CERTAIN AGE like 75 they will let you die.
this is what awaits America if public doesn't do what it takes NOW to seek LEGAL ACTION to kick out SOC healthcare stimulus AND BAILOUT.
SEE AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE and focus on the family, stopthe aclu.com and familysecuritymatters.org
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* $3.8 million for Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy AT Detroit;
* $1.9 million for Pleasure Beach water taxi service AT Connecticut;
* $1.8 million PIG odor and manure management research AT Ames, Iowa;
* $380,000 for a recreation and fairgrounds in Kotzebue, Alaska;
* $143,000 for the Greater New Haven Labor History Association AT Connecticut;
* $95,000 for Canton Symphony Orchestra Association AT Ohio; and
* $71,000 for Dance Theater Etcetera AT Brooklyn for their Tolerance through Arts initiative.
*250 million for NEW FURNITURE at homeland security (which homeland security probably doesn't need and doesn't want BUT is stuck with until the USA PUBLIC realizes PUBLIC must force WASH DC SLUGS to stop bailout and stimulus line by line)
MILLIONS for abortions in FOREIGN countries which the USA has no business subsidizing
* MILLIONS for a new water PARK. Even though DISNEY is shutting down some of their places because of RECESSION. however STIMULUS WANTS to throw money down drain for NEW PARK SOMEPLACE ELSE.
* HERE DEMS voted DEMS a cola of 550.22 per month WHILE deciding the PUBLIC can LIVE on 63.00 per month and HIGHER TAXES.
want to know what the ACLU thinks how 'STUPID' they view Americans. Here is what one of the Founders of the ACLU says Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but DISGUISED under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened to them.
don't believe it? here's the quote Norman THOMAS one of the Founders of the ACLU says QUOTE Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened.
What we need to investigate is how the DEMOCRATS and ACLU think that they can continue to count on Americans being as stupid as the ACLU thinks Americans are. So they can further their Soc/glob/marx/fac/comm agenda.
it is important to SEEK legislative and LEGAL means to kick out STIMULUS and BAILOUT. the momentary re-bound in market is a TEMPORARY re-inflation bubble that GEIGHTNER AND DEMS have created and WHEN it bursts it will be WORSE than the FIRST.
On another NOTE. To the present it's only one of the 1 % group of people attempting to destroy our Nation's economic systems.
WHY? It was said to a WASH DC VIP-that the reason the Socialists think they will win this time and are doing this is because ACLU and their DEMS SLUGS - they don't think American's are " smart enough" to care to let their fingers do the walking to protect their lands, their CONSTITUTION or their freedoms. The DEMS and ACLU don't think the 99% of American's will be 'smart enough" to CARE about their country, their homes, their small business enough to kick the WASH DC SLUGS out and send them packing by way of Balagovich for NOT doing what is right to protect PUBLIC freedoms and the free enterprise system (ie meaning small business/med business) and rights.
see American Ctr for LAW and Justice Familysecuritymatters.org, stoptheaclu.com AND focus on the family The Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund
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Posted by: stellabloo on May 8, 2009 10:30 AM
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Even now, the fashion pendulum reverts back to the big belt and the padded shoulder - have we not learned a damn thing? How many among us here have ever spent more than the odd week of camping - if that - unplugged from the power grid? After all these years of End Of The World hype?
Housing bubble aside, did the economy not implode once the price of gas hit an all-time high (pushing $6 a gallon here) and average people like ourselves decided that they couldn't afford to go anywhere anymore or buy anything that wasn't on sale? We have more power than we realize to stop or start the global economic engine. If a word from Oprah can send the beef market tumbling, then we have more power than we realize.
Unfortunately, most people don't want that kind of power. If you lose your job, you become free to spend your day as you wish but most people don't want to be that free. If we had to look at both sides of every story before making a decision, that would be too much for most people and so they simply prefer some authority figure to spell it out for them.
I would suggest Keep It Simple (timely advice from 70 years ago). One Day at a Time. Think, Think, Think. Live and Let Live.
And Never Leave Home in Shoes You Couldn't Walk a Couple of Miles in If You Had To.
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» Yea, we could start with our bankers and foreign masters... fairness, equity, justice...good idea...
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on May 8, 2009 10:43 AM
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what they are HIDING??? IN CUBA public has to BEG from TOURISTS for allergy/astham inhalers and aspirin.
the new stimulus says USA SPENDS more MONEY on a MORE EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE and the PUBLIC gets NO HEALTHCARE. LONG AND SHORT OF IT.
did you know an UNTREATED EAR INFECTION will cause permanent handicapping in child/adults. Only children it's QUICKER because children have little to no immune system when born that's science not opinion.
did you know that UNTREADED allergys/asthma results in UNEXPLAINED DEATHS and permanent handicapping as well??
well, YOU can bet the DEMS know and STILL WERE willing to create an UNCONSTITUTIONAL BAILOUT & WERE WILLING TO PASS unconstitutional stimulus without even reading it & ARE willing to SHAFT THE PUBLIC by DC SLUGS dragging their feet on kicking out the stimulus and bailout.
why?? BECAUSE dems know the longer they drag feet
1. the higher taxes must go in order to offset the expense and this will overload the middle class sector while they gravy train poor/large bus on PUBLIC FUNDS
2. the quicker the USA PUBLIC is bankrupted and the SOCIALIST STIMULUS says GOV can deprive PUBLIC of medicines if PUBLIC don't vote the WAY GOV SAYS.
3. geightners bailout?? it's creating a re-inflation bubble that in 7 YEARS that will burst harder than the one we just had. why is this relavent??? ONE YEAR LATER the bill for the BAILOUT becomes DUE AND PAYABLE by public and if public doesn't have the money... we will be owned by foreigners whom subscribe to sharia law.
WHEN you are left with a death or permanently handicapped loved one as a result of being DEPRIVED MEDICINE FROM THIS NEW STIMULUS isn't the TIME to go seeking to do something about it.
DEMS have been ignoring the public while DEMS ACT as they please feeling they are ABOVE THE LAW and can act without impunity while the PUBLIC is deemed to only be able to ACT UPON PERMISSION BEING GRANTED TO DO SO....
Thomas Jefferson pretty well covered much about our situation today in two quotes made by him over 200 years ago. Our founders fathers feared what we are living today:
1. “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”
2. “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”*
seek legislative and LEGAL action to get stimulus and bailout kicked out
see Amer Ctr for law and justice and focus on the family and stoptheaclu.com & familysecuritymatters.org
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» I was born here.
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Posted by: JackieHK on May 8, 2009 12:04 PM
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Juliet Schor's well-researched book makes a simple point. "Progress" has not brought us leisure. Happiness is harder to solve. But leisure is easily measureable.
So.. if we are stressed out and have no leisure, what are we really about?
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» get a life buddy... eom
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Posted by: blogfrog on May 8, 2009 4:07 PM
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Hell, we can't even compassionately care for our own citizens...our biggest growth sectors are prisons and health care with senior health care delivery and assisted living facilities probably the biggest ticket items. Check that, one sector,...these both relate to incarceration.
Rome is burning
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Posted by: jeanna on May 8, 2009 4:42 PM
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here before we can live our lives the way the Belgians and French do?" This remark had much to do with the value the people in both countries put on their leisure time. They would break mid morning for their ten o'clocks (coffee and a snack) then again at four oclock for coffee or tea and a pastry. After several rainy days followed by a sunny afternoon, everyone would head for the parks. This is not to say they didn't work hard, but they put a high priority on living the good life. Also the fact that they all had decent health care, sick leave and great infant and child care programs, moderately priced universities
and perhaps most of all a respect for one another no matter their occupation. They also took pride in their own jobs in a way we too often do not here. I may be glossing over the twenty years we enjoyed living in Belgium and France, but I hope that we might all some day enjoy and share in the life styles not of the rich and famous but the comfortable and
contented.
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Posted by: BlueTigress on May 8, 2009 10:06 PM
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Until then, best of luck.
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Posted by: dipconsult on May 9, 2009 2:44 AM
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After the great purpose of containing the Soviet Union was over in 1991, the age of waste - already growing huge during the Cold War - took over. The capitalist system was freed from any constraint thanks to the end of the Cold war and the coming into power of Reagan anf Thatcher with their ideology of laisser-faire capitalism.
Left to itself without controls or any sense of social direction, capitalism naturally turns to wherever there are the easiest profits - whether in socially desirable things or ocially destructive things - like illegal logging, built-in obsolescence, pornography, booze and gambling, or just producing any old useless thing - so contributing to the era of waste of resources and environmental degradation.
We need a new era of directed capitalism on the lines Soros suggests where socially undesirable activities are reduced in favour of the socially desirable.
This means rediscovering a telos, or purpose, in human activity. The obvious telos that all should be able to agree on, is for humanity to meet the existential challenges it faces - and get capitalism through reasonable incentives to help produce the meterial requirements for that.
This is no dream - many top people, including, it seems, the present US president - know how essential this telos is. And many young people know this too. It is the old guard of machine politicians, profit before everything corporations, and corrupt elite (including media) that are are dragging their feet in a longing to get back to the era of waste they themselves brought about and which has now collapsed.
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Posted by: willymack on May 9, 2009 9:11 AM
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"What we need around here is more in-dus-try".
"We gotta promote GROWTH"
"That's progress".
I've been hearing this crap all my life. Repeating threadbare mantras doesn't change the fact that the human condition is headed for the GREAT COMEUPPANCE, brought on by the very cretins who coined phrases like the ones above. There seems to be a quiet resignation to the ivevibility of population growth, and an economy dependent on it. We have it within our power to stop this insane merry-go-round, but that would entail affording a first-rate education to all our citizens. Guess who doesn't want this to happen? The same people who want the merry-go-round to keep turning, that's who.
"Have you seen the little piggies
Playing in the dirt?"
And for all the little piggies
Life is getting worse
Always having dirt
To play around in".
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Posted by: PointMan on May 9, 2009 3:21 PM
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Quoting charlatan JM Keynes who was another apologist for the criminal ruling class is a dead giveaway to the Fascist thought behind this nonsense. (JM Keynes helped palm off the World Bank and IMF for David Rockefeller).
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on May 9, 2009 3:38 PM
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What rot.
The multinational "Americans" that created the meltdown are profiting by it to the tune of TRILLIONS and will suffer less than nothing at all. The criminal overclass will continue to rape the nation as they have for the last hundred years and more as they live like royalty in the "material consumption" process.
This big corporate government Fascist message delivered by Grieder is red herring emotional garbage. It's old wine in new bottles of the kind Obama's corporate felon speechwriters cook on a weekly basis.
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Posted by: kingharvest on May 10, 2009 1:05 PM
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But frankly most of us have always been doing that. I have never had any hope of being rich or powerful and nothing has changed.
What bugs me about this item is that while nothing will change for most of us, nothing will change for the rich, either. They might not be quite as rich or quite as prosperous, but they are still going to continue living their lives pretty-much as always. With money. And entitlement. And sense of self-importance.
So basically nothing has changed. We adapt, the rich control.
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» The Rich are much Richer, don't kid yourself about that!
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Posted by: cori on May 10, 2009 6:00 PM
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It is true that stuff doesn't make you happy but being able to surivie comfortably is vital to happiness. As Wall Street is stealing trillions along with the military we are becoming poorer and poorer. So true their are other existential questions that have always plagued man. How to find fulfillment?
But we attacked Iraq based on a lie, are killing their people and stealing their oil and our government is charging the American tax payer 10 billion per week to do it while politicians have the audacity to ask where will the money come from for National health care? I have a global business and not one person I talk to young or old who lives in a nation with free health care complains. And the doctors who live there are satisfied too so there are some things that are essential to happiness and one of them is national health care and the other are social safety nets.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on May 8, 2009 1:24 AM
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Great piece! A tad Utopian? There's nothing you can do that can't be done. It's easy....
Well, okay, no dream on such a scale is easy. But a massive overhaul of our priorities and expectations is not too difficult to imagine....
Imagine.
A revolution of thought? Only the people know just how to change the world. Someone once said (Does anyone know who the hell it was that said it?) that it is always darkest just before the dawn. Are we at the eve of that new day? Well a million heads are better than one so come on.
The G.O.Pizza Party
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» Charlie Rose is a bilderberger.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on May 8, 2009 2:57 AM
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Liberals differ from just about every other political group in America in their belief that government exists to empower people.
By contrast, conservatives, libertarians, conspiracy people, and most third-party types think government is the problem--as they never tire of repeating.
You will note that this is a markedly pathological idea. Since goverment is an essential part of society, hating the government is analogous to hating one of your own vital organs--it can't possibly be good for you.
For a brief period in the 90s, I held a clerical position for a legal services office which supplied good lawyers at low cost to poor citizens here in Texas. It was a classic liberal-style outfit which helped empower poor Americans who could not afford a lawyer.
At this point, the Repubs took over Congress and instantly shut down the legal services office for which I worked. Why? Because they had tried to help a physically abused wife get a divorce.
So the office was closed. Since then, poor people who need lawyers in Texas can just go beg.
This encapsules the difference between liberals and everybody else. Of all the political groups in the U.S. we are the only one who can use government to help make Mr. Greider's goals come true. I'm quite sure there is no other way.
Sadly, President Obama and the Democrats in Congress are nothing like the Democrats we need.
But it's questionable logic to conclude that liberalism is no good. It only means the Democratic Party has been dragged ignominously to the right by these past years of runaway Republican corruption--and that we need to get it back to being a truly liberal party.
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on May 8, 2009 4:04 AM
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We also call for the repeal of the Seventeenth Amendment. Its enactment greatly reduced the power of our state legislatures and state governments which are much closer to the people and damaged our system of federalism.
Now cut off your John Lennon records and get back to work damm hippie
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» RE: just Repeal the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Amendments
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» I find your lack of cynicism disturbing.
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» As I recall, you're a Nihilist who claims "there's no such thing as society".
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» Hey PrarieWaif, you forgot
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» Okay. Just let us know when you get back to work.
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» RE: just Repeal the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Amendments
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» the old fashion way
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» you dont have to repeal the 16th cause it was never properly ratified in the first place.
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» RE: you dont have to repeal the 16th cause it was never properly ratified in the first place.
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» True, these guys no longer care about the rule of law anymore....
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Posted by: ellie on May 8, 2009 4:39 AM
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seems like we are headed to one tier where the banks, mega-corps and wall street play by themselves... no one seems to be taking them seriously as in the recent past... the second tier is a society that is beginning to form without them... and this seems to be making the $$ guys scared...
examples:
this year has been the highest sales spring for veggie and flower seeds in recent memory... come late summer, the gardens will be ready... the impact on the food industry has them going nuts already with scare tactics...
credit unions are popping up as fast as dandelions...
co-ops are starting to form outside of groups you's expect...
people are starting to form small businesses at the kitchen table from something they are good at and would do for trade and self-satisfaction not get rich quick schemes...
going to be interesting... back to coffee...
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» forgot...
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» What I really like are the "employee owned coops" arising....
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» RE: there is already a divide begining...
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» start your own...
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» I applaud your suggestions, but there is a bill in congress that would make that illegal...
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» They use fear to make us spend, then when we do, the crisis goes away...
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» It will be as good as "WE MAKE IT" which means you have to be involved this time.
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» I'd like to see you people try it.
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» Was that sarcasm or are you serious???? lol WE just saw over the past 9 years....
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» If you want the government to serve the people.
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» Actually, I am beginning to believe your right.... its encouraging...
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Posted by: undead on May 8, 2009 6:31 AM
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Pass the joint and put on some Led Zeppelin "Stairway to Heaven" , Man.
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» Yeah man, for many that will
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 8, 2009 6:41 AM
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We must view our situation withthe same committment and dedication our grandparents did.
This is why we must make the investment and work until we can no more to help pay it off. we must pay taxes to assure we give our kids the best education, the best healthcare, the cleanest environment, the most conflict free international community.
I'm 46, I knew long ago that purely from a demographics perspective I would never enjoy the type of retirment afforded the last few generations (parents, boomers). So I this economic downturn (well foreshadowed with the inception of the ass backwards ideology of Trickle Down), doesn't really freak me out, only solidifies and verifies what I already knew.
thi si swhy I get so pissed off by the Greedy mantra of 'Tax cuts'- not only are we demanding we be able to stick money into our pockets fro our own use, but we are doing nothing to pay down the debt for th efuture generations. Heads up Teabaggers Generational Theft has been in full swing since the '80's.It's just that NOW the vaults have finally been completely emptied.
Being in my 40's I will have to work to help support the Boomers who are rapidly aging, living longer (but not necessarily in better shape) and lost all their money in their 'Get rich quick Schemes.I will have to pay more taxes to care fro them, pay down the debt and provide for the needs of the younger generations.
So being a bargin hunter by Genetics ( scottish Frugal) or habit (Blue collar), I take solice in the fact that I will get a 2 for 1 Deal...Celebrating my Retirement on the same day as my Wake.
Get over it you whining sniveling pussies- Your Grandparents are watching! Toughen up and take your lumps- it's gonna be a long ride.
Oh and if you really want to do your kids and grand kids a favor- smoke a cigarette and eat some Cheese- Dying in a timely manner not only gives them an inheritance, but takes you off the expense column.
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» You said: "work until we can no more to help pay it off. we must pay taxes to assure we give .......
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» My parents and grandparents are dead.
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» Our children will be slaves like us, but even more so.
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» Not if we fucking fight back...... that is what I don't hear much, except on the right.
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RT
Is your ISP watching?
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» What you are experincing is going from fear, to sorrow, and now we must move....
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» Its Gulity to say: American exceptionalism part One
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» Part Two American exceptionalism, we must wake up
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» RE: Part Two American exceptionalism, we must wake up
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» RE: Jen...I think I understand where you are coming from.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on May 8, 2009 6:48 AM
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Enormous Corporations now own and control most of the land throughout the World and they are rapidly destroying both the soil and seed diversity and imposing genetic mutations.
If this process is not reversed The food supply will rapidly diminish and Billions will starve to death.
If you think you can survive by growing your own vegetables in your garden - good luck to you.
Most people in the ghettos do not have that luxury.
Sure we are all going to a hell on earth.
It didn't have to be that way but we allowed psychopaths to control us.
They stiil do.
Read Seeds of Destruction by F William Engdahl
Tony
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on May 8, 2009 7:06 AM
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The quote above comes from the Declaration of Independence, and I believe that too many people need a refresher! Yes, money and the chasing of it have corrupted this nation! We have all been brainwashed by commercials and the need to "keep up with the Jones"! That is not a sustainable reality, and this economic crisis is a perfect time for us to break this hold of "want" on our lives!
Of course that means that we're going to have to break that same hold on those politicians that are on the hill also!! This is a perfect opportunity for us as a nation to get back to basics, and enrich our lives and those of our family, friends, neighbors, etc.
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Posted by: ClassAct on May 8, 2009 7:13 AM
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This is what the GOP must advocate if it wishes to rebrand itself as the party of small business as Newt Gingrich hopes, and it is what we must insist that Democrats do if we are to enjoy our time in this life.
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Posted by: FoonTheElder on May 8, 2009 7:26 AM
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What happens? The rich and powerful who own the government continue to get theirs, while everyone else slowly heads down the financial drain.
The United States is slowly becoming Brazil. A small number of people own the vast majority of the economy. Everyone else is powerless to change their situation, as the wealth of the system goes to the upper class and everyone else gets bread crumbs.
Bread crumbs don't allow anyone to buy new cars of any size or new homes of any size. Eventually it becomes not a matter of buying smaller luxuries, it's a matter of being able to buy luxuries at all.
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» RE: We could have a revolution. Citizens power is not lost yet.
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Posted by: Prophit on May 8, 2009 7:32 AM
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1. Ban all Banking and revert to Credit Unions owned by the depositors. Bankers and banking companies not allowed to own shares. All major brokerage houses will be made to relocate overseas.
2. Follow the constitution and eliminate all Foreign interests and lobbying grouops from coming near our elected officials or it will be a crime and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
3. All Campaign contributions are to be funded by the feds and all ads and press time to be given equally to all candidates. Concept of equal time reinstituted. Heavy penalties for slander and untruths. ELIMINATION OF ALL POLITICAL PARTIES WHO ACT AS ARMS OF THE SPECIAL INTERESTS. Candidates now run as individuals. NO LAWYERS.
4. No more federal manipulation of our school system and its social engineering. From now on parents and local officials must be involved with cirriculum and feedback with our schools.
5. Ban all violence games for our children, and no drugging them under the age of 18 with psychotropic drugs. If parenting is hard, deal with it.
6. Justice dept to enforce the Anti-Sherman Trust act and if they do not, they must be prosecuted as aiding and abetting all violations and will suffer the same penalties as those who violated the law. They will lose their bar certificate and forbidden to practice law anywhere in the nation.
7. Ban all GM seeds, reinstitute Organic or heritage seeds, heirloom seeds etc. No more chemicals such as Aspertame, MSG, and poisons in our food or CEO's will be sent to jail.
There is more, but you get the drift. Then we can rebuild our industries, crafts, families, and communities and reistitute farming in our own country and control our own food supply.
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» Speak for yourself Beck. You're the dumb fuck trying to tell others to kiss Obama's ass.
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» Boy, I have never seen you this mad.... good for you.
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» RE: Boy, I have never seen you this mad.... good for you.
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» So send her to a re-education camp. You know you want to. That would be 10. on the agenda...
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» That is easy if the differing points of view are based on "truth" and not fantasy.
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» 9.
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» A big SUPER YES on that one, hehe. :)
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» A big SUPER DITTO on that one.... hehe :)
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» strike 4 and 5
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Posted by: cori on May 8, 2009 8:27 AM
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You have to hand it to Wall Street. It wreaks havoc on the global economy, and the rest of us - as taxpayers - prop it up so that it can do it all over again.
We give the Wall Street banks trillions of dollars in bailout money, and they still fail to do their job, which is to loosen credit and provide the liquidity that businesses and consumers need. A major hedge fund - Cerberus Capital - plays chicken with President Obama in his effort to save Chrysler. Bankers spend millions lobbying to stop Congress from providing help to homeowners facing foreclosure. And, having failed to stop a Credit Card Bill of Rights in the House of Representatives, the banksters now aim to kill it in the Senate.
Because Bank of America, CitiBank, AIG, Goldman Sachs and the others are "too big to fail," Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner continues to redistribute astronomical sums of money from taxpayers to these giants of finance capitalism. And, predictably, they use our money to remain too big to fail as they extend their power in the most predictable ways. Thanks to us, the taxpayers, bankers still "own" the US Senate, as Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Illinois) put it. Thanks to us, the insurance companies and health maintenance organizations still have the clout to keep single-payer health care "off the table." And thanks to us, the huge financial supermarkets like CitiBank can still block a reenactment of anything like the New Deal's Glass-Steagall Act, which kept the high-rollers in investment banks from gambling with "the people's savings" in commercial banks. For those who forgot, Wall Street pushed the repeal of Glass-Steagall in 1999.
Why so many Americans put up with - and pay for - Wall Street's continued power, I will never understand, for all the easy ideological answers. I only know that Wall Street's power remains a fact of life, and not just for the United States. Kept alive by taxpayer dollars and government printing presses, the finance capitalists on Wall Street fully expect to continue shaping the global economy in their own image, exporting to the world the same high-risk derivatives that created the present crisis
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» You've assessed the problem correctly and brilliantly, now what about the solutions???
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» RE: You've assessed the problem correctly and brilliantly, now what about the solutions???
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» Well, that sounds like a good beginning, however, as a real solution here is the problem...
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Betting on a Global crap shoot
You have to hand it to Wall Street. It wreaks havoc on the global economy, and the rest of us - as taxpayers - prop it up so that it can do it all over again.
We give the Wall Street banks trillions of dollars in bailout money, and they still fail to do their job, which is to loosen credit and provide the liquidity that businesses and consumers need. A major hedge fund - Cerberus Capital - plays chicken with President Obama in his effort to save Chrysler. Bankers spend millions lobbying to stop Congress from providing help to homeowners facing foreclosure. And, having failed to stop a Credit Card Bill of Rights in the House of Representatives, the banksters now aim to kill it in the Senate.
Because Bank of America, CitiBank, AIG, Goldman Sachs and the others are "too big to fail," Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner continues to redistribute astronomical sums of money from taxpayers to these giants of finance capitalism. And, predictably, they use our money to remain too big to fail as they extend their power in the most predictable ways. Thanks to us, the taxpayers, bankers still "own" the US Senate, as Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Illinois) put it. Thanks to us, the insurance companies and health maintenance organizations still have the clout to keep single-payer health care "off the table." And thanks to us, the huge financial supermarkets like CitiBank can still block a reenactment of anything like the New Deal's Glass-Steagall Act, which kept the high-rollers in investment banks from gambling with "the people's savings" in commercial banks. For those who forgot, Wall Street pushed the repeal of Glass-Steagall in 1999.
Why so many Americans put up with - and pay for - Wall Street's continued power, I will never understand, for all the easy ideological answers. I only know that Wall Street's power remains a fact of life, and not just for the United States. Kept alive by taxpayer dollars and government printing presses, the finance capitalists on Wall Street fully expect to continue shaping the global economy in their own image, exporting to the world the same high-risk derivatives that created the present crisis
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Posted by: maxpayne on May 8, 2009 9:36 AM
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For example, tell my parents or my wife's parents about our dissatisfaction with our current president continuing the war-turned-occupation in Iraq and his plans to blow out Afghanistan and Pakistan and they'll blabber on about "war on terror" and the need to invest in war stocks.
Likewise, on the issue of healthcare, I bring up the issue of single payer healthcare to both my parent's and my wife's parents. For a minute, they like the idea but the next minute, they'll change the topic to lecturing us on investing in Eli Lily stocks on this so-called diabetes "wonder pill". In other words, we're told to shut up and cash in on people's stupid purchasing and forget holding our pols in Washington accountable with solutions such as single payer healthcare.
That's right, they want to think nothing of the need for real safety needs, just keep on getting addicted to the fucked up money churning on Wall $treet !! What does this tell us? This tells us that the American people are still hooked on to Gordon Gecko's "Greed is good" mantra hook, line, and sinker. And thanks to Obama and the Democrats in Congress, Bush's plans of more bailouts for Wall $treet at the expense of we the taxpayers on Main Street will be coming our way !!
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» Unfortunately Max, that is the way it is. People didn't start even waking up...
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Posted by: billwald on May 8, 2009 9:58 AM
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But say I am wrong and the American public has learned from this recent experience (fat chance of that!). If Americans have learned that it is not wise to buy toys on credit then the economy will stay depressed until the people have saved enough money so that they can pay cash for toys. 5 years?
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» Actually, the opposite happened. It didn't go down as it should have.
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on May 8, 2009 10:13 AM
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How many people DON'T know THAT allergies and asthma LEFT untreated will result in PERMANENT HANDICAPPING and/or death and even more so in children?
YOU CAN bet the DEMS knew and are still willing to sell down the river the PUBLIC BY insisting on dragging it's feet on kicking out the soc healthcare and bailout.
HOW MANY people don't know that the longer the DEMS drag their feet on KICKING out the bailout the HIGHER TAXES will have to go to offset the spending spree these WASH DC SLUGS are on.
Geightners so-called fix?? it's creating a re-inflation bubble scheduled to burst worse than the one we are in and it will occur in 7 years.
why is that relevant??? A YEAR LATER the bill for the bailout becomes due and payable and if the USA CANNOT PAY?? we will be owned by foreigners whom subscribe to sharia law.
To the present it's only one of the 1 % group of people attempting to destroy our Nation's economic systems.
WHY??? It was said to a WASH DC VIP---that the reason the Socialists think they will win this time and are doing this is because ACLU and their DEMS SLUGS -- they don't think American's are " smart enough" to care to let their fingers do the walking to protect their lands, their CONSTITUTION or their freedoms. The DEMS and ACLU don't think the 99% of American's will be 'smart enough" to CARE about their country, their homes, their small business enough to kick the WASH DC SLUGS out and send them packing by way of Balagovich for NOT doing what is right to protect PUBLIC freedoms and the free enterprise system (ie meaning small business/med business) and rights.
Therefore, they want to make sure they take all freedoms away from the public and they want to make it impossible for FREE ENTERPRISE to exist for the small business and mid business and sole proprietorship thru gravytraining BIG BUSINESS bankrupting our Nation and MUSCLING OUT the small/med sole proprietorships, and creating a welfare state. A move straight out of the marxist handbook. and by attempting to eradicate free speech.
Then, we will be SOCIALIST/GLOBALIST/MARX/FACIST/COMM COUNTRY and the marketplace will be MONOPOLIZED AND DOMINATED by the ENGORGED 1 or 2 or several big businesses in sector. Gone will be the hope for any American whom would wish to start a business and earn profit to live on
Seek legislative and LEGAL agencies to DISMANTLE the bailout and kick out the SOCIALIST stimulus.
see American center for law and justice
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on May 8, 2009 10:17 AM
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wanna? know the latest??? Michael moore made a progpaganda film where they attempt to bamboozle the PUBLIC by claiming CUBA'S healthcare is better than the USA ....and that the USA should go to the CUBAN model for healthcare.
WANNA KNOW??? what the reality is and whaaat they are really HIDING... the reality is in CUBA people have to BEG FROM TOURISTS for allergy inhalers and aspirin. You can bet if Americans are allowed to be bamboozled into Socialist healthcare DEMS will make SURE USA is WORSE OFF than CUBA.
According to the new stimulus if your child needs antibiotics and the GOV only wants to give them Asprin or NOTHING guess whaaat they will get ASPIRIN or NOTHING.
Whats worse.. if your/adult/child are X percent sick they ARE LEFT TO DIE.
Soc healthcare is MORE expensive AND gives NO HEALTHCARE. We are no scholar, but you don't need to be a scholar to SEE whaaat is wrong with the DEMS scenario.
DEMS LIED to claim our healthcare system is broken. SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE is MORE EXPENSIVE and gives NO HEALTHCARE.
PEOPLE, OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.
THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.
ALLOWING the DEMS socialize healthcare not only would prove expensive but DEADLY. Think about it?? DEMS WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY BUT DENY PUBLIC the meds and services it needs while GOV POCKETS THE CASH TO SPEND ON PORK.
don't ALLOW yourselves to be put off seek LEGISLATIVE and LEGAL ACTION TO KICK STIMULUS OUT AND BAILOUT. go see --American center for law and justice
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» RE: CHILDREN MOST HARSHLY AFFECTED BY SOC HEALTHCARE
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» yeah, I love our health care, lets see, 800,000 deaths a year...
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on May 8, 2009 10:20 AM
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ENGLAND---the NATIONAL HEALTHCARE JUST UP AND DECIDED TO HALT KNEE AND HIP REPLACEMENTS FOR OVERWEIGHT PEOPLE.
in SOUTH AFRICA- PATIENTS DIED after his life saving surgery was RE-CLASSIFIED as 'elective' and CANCELED seven YES THAT'S RIGHT SEVEN times until it was simply to late.
in AUSTRALIA man has been on a 90 day waiting PERIOD---for over 2 years.
in Canada -cancer patients have been DENIED life saving medicines that are standard treatment in USA and covered by USA INSURANCE.
ENGLAND AGAIN---- Alheimer's patients denied $5 a day drug that provides crucial relief because it's considered TOO EXPENSIVE.
CUBA---they are FORCED to BEG tourists for common medicines like allergy and asthma inhalers and even aspirin.
EVERYWHERE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE HAS BEEN TRIED IT HAS FAILED.
The DEMS BRAND of getting around using the term SOCIALIZED MEDICINE is to dress up their BIG GOVERNMENT schemes to bamboozle public by calling it UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE OR HEALTH CARE FOR ALL to 'diguise' the fact it should be labeled as HEALTHCARE FOR NONE so the BIG GOV can pocket the funds.
NO matter how these DEMS CALL soc med it always has the same RESULTS---RATIONED HEALTHCARE, DENIAL OF ESSENTIAL MEDICAL SERVICE, WAITING LISTS, MEDIOCRE MEDICINE, AND UNNECESSARY SUFFERING AND DEATH. and for whaaat?? so gov can pocket the funds. always the bottom line.
MEANWHILE WASH DC SLUGS end up with final say over your most intimate medical decisions NOT YOU AND NOT YOUR DOCTOR.
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» RE:Your a fool SassyFrassy! EVERYWHERE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE HAS BEEN TRIED IT HAS FAILED.
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» RE: SassyFrassy Are you an Insurance lobbyist? What Rethug orginization..
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on May 8, 2009 10:22 AM
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wanna? know the latest??? Michael moore made a progpaganda film where they attempt to bamboozle the PUBLIC by claiming CUBA'S healthcare is better than the USA ....and that the USA should go to the CUBAN model for healthcare.
WANNA KNOW??? what the reality is and whaaat they are really HIDING... the reality is in CUBA people have to BEG FROM TOURISTS for allergy inhalers and aspirin. You can bet if Americans are allowed to be bamboozled into Socialist healthcare DEMS will make SURE USA is WORSE OFF than CUBA.
According to the new stimulus if your child needs antibiotics and the GOV only wants to give them Asprin or NOTHING guess whaaat they will get ASPIRIN or nothing. Soc healthcare is MORE expensive AND gives NO HEALTHCARE. We are no scholar, but you don't need to be a scholar to SEE whaaat is wrong with the DEMS scenario.
PEOPLE OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.
THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.
ALLOWING the DEMS socialize healthcare not only would prove expensive but DEADLY. Think about it?? DEMS WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY BUT DENY PUBLIC the meds and services it needs while GOV POCKETS THE CASH TO SPEND ON PORK.
TAKE A LOOK .. 50% OF BRITISH AND NEW ZEALANDS WOMEN diagnosed with breast cancer DIE. however, HERE IN USA only 1/5th breast cancer sufferers DIE FROM IT. did you know hair dye are directly linked to breast cancer??
25 % CANADIA men and 50% of british men diagnosed with prostrate cancer die from it. HERE, IN USA less than 1/5th men die from it.
BRITISH-ER'S with serious illnesses are 7 times more likely to die from them than AMERICANS with such conditions.
BRITISH-ERS are also 4 times MORE likely to DIE during major surgery than Americans.
IN most countries if you are OVER A CERTAIN AGE like 75 they will let you die.
this is what awaits America if public doesn't do what it takes NOW to seek LEGAL ACTION to kick out SOC healthcare stimulus AND BAILOUT.
SEE AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE and focus on the family, stopthe aclu.com and familysecuritymatters.org
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* $3.8 million for Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy AT Detroit;
* $1.9 million for Pleasure Beach water taxi service AT Connecticut;
* $1.8 million PIG odor and manure management research AT Ames, Iowa;
* $380,000 for a recreation and fairgrounds in Kotzebue, Alaska;
* $143,000 for the Greater New Haven Labor History Association AT Connecticut;
* $95,000 for Canton Symphony Orchestra Association AT Ohio; and
* $71,000 for Dance Theater Etcetera AT Brooklyn for their Tolerance through Arts initiative.
*250 million for NEW FURNITURE at homeland security (which homeland security probably doesn't need and doesn't want BUT is stuck with until the USA PUBLIC realizes PUBLIC must force WASH DC SLUGS to stop bailout and stimulus line by line)
MILLIONS for abortions in FOREIGN countries which the USA has no business subsidizing
* MILLIONS for a new water PARK. Even though DISNEY is shutting down some of their places because of RECESSION. however STIMULUS WANTS to throw money down drain for NEW PARK SOMEPLACE ELSE.
* HERE DEMS voted DEMS a cola of 550.22 per month WHILE deciding the PUBLIC can LIVE on 63.00 per month and HIGHER TAXES.
want to know what the ACLU thinks how 'STUPID' they view Americans. Here is what one of the Founders of the ACLU says Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but DISGUISED under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened to them.
don't believe it? here's the quote Norman THOMAS one of the Founders of the ACLU says QUOTE Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened.
What we need to investigate is how the DEMOCRATS and ACLU think that they can continue to count on Americans being as stupid as the ACLU thinks Americans are. So they can further their Soc/glob/marx/fac/comm agenda.
it is important to SEEK legislative and LEGAL means to kick out STIMULUS and BAILOUT. the momentary re-bound in market is a TEMPORARY re-inflation bubble that GEIGHTNER AND DEMS have created and WHEN it bursts it will be WORSE than the FIRST.
On another NOTE. To the present it's only one of the 1 % group of people attempting to destroy our Nation's economic systems.
WHY? It was said to a WASH DC VIP-that the reason the Socialists think they will win this time and are doing this is because ACLU and their DEMS SLUGS - they don't think American's are " smart enough" to care to let their fingers do the walking to protect their lands, their CONSTITUTION or their freedoms. The DEMS and ACLU don't think the 99% of American's will be 'smart enough" to CARE about their country, their homes, their small business enough to kick the WASH DC SLUGS out and send them packing by way of Balagovich for NOT doing what is right to protect PUBLIC freedoms and the free enterprise system (ie meaning small business/med business) and rights.
see American Ctr for LAW and Justice Familysecuritymatters.org, stoptheaclu.com AND focus on the family The Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund
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Even now, the fashion pendulum reverts back to the big belt and the padded shoulder - have we not learned a damn thing? How many among us here have ever spent more than the odd week of camping - if that - unplugged from the power grid? After all these years of End Of The World hype?
Housing bubble aside, did the economy not implode once the price of gas hit an all-time high (pushing $6 a gallon here) and average people like ourselves decided that they couldn't afford to go anywhere anymore or buy anything that wasn't on sale? We have more power than we realize to stop or start the global economic engine. If a word from Oprah can send the beef market tumbling, then we have more power than we realize.
Unfortunately, most people don't want that kind of power. If you lose your job, you become free to spend your day as you wish but most people don't want to be that free. If we had to look at both sides of every story before making a decision, that would be too much for most people and so they simply prefer some authority figure to spell it out for them.
I would suggest Keep It Simple (timely advice from 70 years ago). One Day at a Time. Think, Think, Think. Live and Let Live.
And Never Leave Home in Shoes You Couldn't Walk a Couple of Miles in If You Had To.
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» Yea, we could start with our bankers and foreign masters... fairness, equity, justice...good idea...
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on May 8, 2009 10:43 AM
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what they are HIDING??? IN CUBA public has to BEG from TOURISTS for allergy/astham inhalers and aspirin.
the new stimulus says USA SPENDS more MONEY on a MORE EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE and the PUBLIC gets NO HEALTHCARE. LONG AND SHORT OF IT.
did you know an UNTREATED EAR INFECTION will cause permanent handicapping in child/adults. Only children it's QUICKER because children have little to no immune system when born that's science not opinion.
did you know that UNTREADED allergys/asthma results in UNEXPLAINED DEATHS and permanent handicapping as well??
well, YOU can bet the DEMS know and STILL WERE willing to create an UNCONSTITUTIONAL BAILOUT & WERE WILLING TO PASS unconstitutional stimulus without even reading it & ARE willing to SHAFT THE PUBLIC by DC SLUGS dragging their feet on kicking out the stimulus and bailout.
why?? BECAUSE dems know the longer they drag feet
1. the higher taxes must go in order to offset the expense and this will overload the middle class sector while they gravy train poor/large bus on PUBLIC FUNDS
2. the quicker the USA PUBLIC is bankrupted and the SOCIALIST STIMULUS says GOV can deprive PUBLIC of medicines if PUBLIC don't vote the WAY GOV SAYS.
3. geightners bailout?? it's creating a re-inflation bubble that in 7 YEARS that will burst harder than the one we just had. why is this relavent??? ONE YEAR LATER the bill for the BAILOUT becomes DUE AND PAYABLE by public and if public doesn't have the money... we will be owned by foreigners whom subscribe to sharia law.
WHEN you are left with a death or permanently handicapped loved one as a result of being DEPRIVED MEDICINE FROM THIS NEW STIMULUS isn't the TIME to go seeking to do something about it.
DEMS have been ignoring the public while DEMS ACT as they please feeling they are ABOVE THE LAW and can act without impunity while the PUBLIC is deemed to only be able to ACT UPON PERMISSION BEING GRANTED TO DO SO....
Thomas Jefferson pretty well covered much about our situation today in two quotes made by him over 200 years ago. Our founders fathers feared what we are living today:
1. “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”
2. “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”*
seek legislative and LEGAL action to get stimulus and bailout kicked out
see Amer Ctr for law and justice and focus on the family and stoptheaclu.com & familysecuritymatters.org
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» I was born here.
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Posted by: JackieHK on May 8, 2009 12:04 PM
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Juliet Schor's well-researched book makes a simple point. "Progress" has not brought us leisure. Happiness is harder to solve. But leisure is easily measureable.
So.. if we are stressed out and have no leisure, what are we really about?
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» get a life buddy... eom
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Posted by: blogfrog on May 8, 2009 4:07 PM
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Hell, we can't even compassionately care for our own citizens...our biggest growth sectors are prisons and health care with senior health care delivery and assisted living facilities probably the biggest ticket items. Check that, one sector,...these both relate to incarceration.
Rome is burning
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Posted by: jeanna on May 8, 2009 4:42 PM
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here before we can live our lives the way the Belgians and French do?" This remark had much to do with the value the people in both countries put on their leisure time. They would break mid morning for their ten o'clocks (coffee and a snack) then again at four oclock for coffee or tea and a pastry. After several rainy days followed by a sunny afternoon, everyone would head for the parks. This is not to say they didn't work hard, but they put a high priority on living the good life. Also the fact that they all had decent health care, sick leave and great infant and child care programs, moderately priced universities
and perhaps most of all a respect for one another no matter their occupation. They also took pride in their own jobs in a way we too often do not here. I may be glossing over the twenty years we enjoyed living in Belgium and France, but I hope that we might all some day enjoy and share in the life styles not of the rich and famous but the comfortable and
contented.
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» RE:We could do ourselves a favor; there's alot to be admired with the French model.
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Posted by: BlueTigress on May 8, 2009 10:06 PM
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Until then, best of luck.
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Posted by: dipconsult on May 9, 2009 2:44 AM
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After the great purpose of containing the Soviet Union was over in 1991, the age of waste - already growing huge during the Cold War - took over. The capitalist system was freed from any constraint thanks to the end of the Cold war and the coming into power of Reagan anf Thatcher with their ideology of laisser-faire capitalism.
Left to itself without controls or any sense of social direction, capitalism naturally turns to wherever there are the easiest profits - whether in socially desirable things or ocially destructive things - like illegal logging, built-in obsolescence, pornography, booze and gambling, or just producing any old useless thing - so contributing to the era of waste of resources and environmental degradation.
We need a new era of directed capitalism on the lines Soros suggests where socially undesirable activities are reduced in favour of the socially desirable.
This means rediscovering a telos, or purpose, in human activity. The obvious telos that all should be able to agree on, is for humanity to meet the existential challenges it faces - and get capitalism through reasonable incentives to help produce the meterial requirements for that.
This is no dream - many top people, including, it seems, the present US president - know how essential this telos is. And many young people know this too. It is the old guard of machine politicians, profit before everything corporations, and corrupt elite (including media) that are are dragging their feet in a longing to get back to the era of waste they themselves brought about and which has now collapsed.
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Posted by: willymack on May 9, 2009 9:11 AM
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"What we need around here is more in-dus-try".
"We gotta promote GROWTH"
"That's progress".
I've been hearing this crap all my life. Repeating threadbare mantras doesn't change the fact that the human condition is headed for the GREAT COMEUPPANCE, brought on by the very cretins who coined phrases like the ones above. There seems to be a quiet resignation to the ivevibility of population growth, and an economy dependent on it. We have it within our power to stop this insane merry-go-round, but that would entail affording a first-rate education to all our citizens. Guess who doesn't want this to happen? The same people who want the merry-go-round to keep turning, that's who.
"Have you seen the little piggies
Playing in the dirt?"
And for all the little piggies
Life is getting worse
Always having dirt
To play around in".
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Posted by: PointMan on May 9, 2009 3:21 PM
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Quoting charlatan JM Keynes who was another apologist for the criminal ruling class is a dead giveaway to the Fascist thought behind this nonsense. (JM Keynes helped palm off the World Bank and IMF for David Rockefeller).
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on May 9, 2009 3:38 PM
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What rot.
The multinational "Americans" that created the meltdown are profiting by it to the tune of TRILLIONS and will suffer less than nothing at all. The criminal overclass will continue to rape the nation as they have for the last hundred years and more as they live like royalty in the "material consumption" process.
This big corporate government Fascist message delivered by Grieder is red herring emotional garbage. It's old wine in new bottles of the kind Obama's corporate felon speechwriters cook on a weekly basis.
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Posted by: kingharvest on May 10, 2009 1:05 PM
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But frankly most of us have always been doing that. I have never had any hope of being rich or powerful and nothing has changed.
What bugs me about this item is that while nothing will change for most of us, nothing will change for the rich, either. They might not be quite as rich or quite as prosperous, but they are still going to continue living their lives pretty-much as always. With money. And entitlement. And sense of self-importance.
So basically nothing has changed. We adapt, the rich control.
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» The Rich are much Richer, don't kid yourself about that!
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Posted by: cori on May 10, 2009 6:00 PM
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It is true that stuff doesn't make you happy but being able to surivie comfortably is vital to happiness. As Wall Street is stealing trillions along with the military we are becoming poorer and poorer. So true their are other existential questions that have always plagued man. How to find fulfillment?
But we attacked Iraq based on a lie, are killing their people and stealing their oil and our government is charging the American tax payer 10 billion per week to do it while politicians have the audacity to ask where will the money come from for National health care? I have a global business and not one person I talk to young or old who lives in a nation with free health care complains. And the doctors who live there are satisfied too so there are some things that are essential to happiness and one of them is national health care and the other are social safety nets.
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