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Memo to Jackass, the Credit Card Industry Doesn't Need Anyone Standing Up for It

By Matt Taibbi, True/Slant. Posted May 8, 2009.


A columnist decides the credit card industry is a victim of "public anger" --- how revolting is that?

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"Is there any business in the United States more vilified than credit card lending?

The card companies stand accused by Congress and the Federal Reserve of gouging customers with impenetrable fees, enticing innocents to borrow themselves into bankruptcy, and blowing off cardholders who try to correct errors in their accounts.

Attacking these firms is a crowd-pleasing sport for lawmakers, in part because every constituent has a story about being mulcted by a card issuer. Last week the House of Representatives easily passed a credit card holders' bill of rights. The Senate will take up a similar measure soon. President Obama has signaled his approval.

Someone has to stand up for these companies. I guess it'll have to be me…

…The real scandal, according to the common refrain, is that issuers such as American Express, Citigroup and Bank of America have received billions of bailout dollars from taxpayers. How dare they repay the favor by putting the squeeze on us?

This is where populism shades into demagoguery. Critics who argue that it's inappropriate for bailed-out banks to tighten credit terms on taxpayers have it exactly wrong: If we're footing the bill, we should praise these banks for being stingy with credit, not hammer them for it. It won't be any easier for them to pay us back if we hector them into maintaining the loose standards that produced this mess."

-- Michael Hiltzik, Credit card companies as evil villains? It's not that simple, Los Angeles Times.

"Someone needs to stand up" for the credit card companies? Did I hear that right, Michael Hiltzik?

Apparently it is not enough that the credit card companies have spent $15.5 million on lobbying fees in the first quarter of 2009 alone (this according to CREW, the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington), while employees of credit card companies spent an additional $14.5 million last year, and credit PACs spent $8.6 million more. It's not enough that when the President even considered making a change to the credit laws, 14 top-ranking credit card company officials got to meet with Obama to plead their case in person; conveniently, none of the 14 was a registered lobbyist, which made them exempt from laws banning lobbyists from influencing officials with responsibility for distribution of stimulus/recovery funds. Apparently despite all that the credit card companies are voiceless yet, and still need Michael Hiltzik of the LA Times to champion their cause.

Of all the truly revolting political developments of the financial crisis age -- and there have been a lot of them -- probably nothing is more disgusting than the weirdly intense media backlash against "populist anger," anger that is inevitably described by media sages like Hiltzik as irrational, unfounded, and pointedly unhelpful. The public is depicted as a great dumb beast lashing out wildly at shadows and hallucinations, with the poor diligent hardworking members of the financial class (slaving away to pump much-needed capital into the bloodstream of international commerce) suffering the collateral damage. And while commentators are always careful to note that much of the anger "may" or "could" be justified, rhetorically these lines always lead to a but clause. Rick Perlstein of Newsweek, for instance, noted that some populist anger is useful, but it can very easily transform into the " 'bad' kind of populism -- the hateful kind; the violent kind; the demagogic kind." Author Robert Frank talked about the public anger over the AIG bonuses being reasonable up to a point, but "if we're not careful, we could end up shooting ourselves in the foot," as "any broader effort to cap executive salaries would do more harm than good."

This is another of the typical features of the anti-populism argument, the false dichotomy. We are constantly being told that we have to stem this populist anger or we'll have communism, hard caps on executive salaries, lynch mobs, pitchforks, etc. Except that in reality the consequences of "populist" anger in this country are somewhat, uh, less severe. Think about it: when in American history has populist outrage ever led to serious punitive measures directed at rich people?


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Some Truth For A Change
Posted by: thebeerdoctor on May 8, 2009 1:54 AM   
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Reading Matt's brilliant piece, it dawned on me how many simply do not get what is actually going on. Matt's comments about the so-called bankruptcy reform and how that has led to thousands of people losing their houses, I am reminded that one of the great champions of that legislation in the Senate is now Vice President of The United States. Anyone who believes that the new administration actually cares about ordinary people is suffering from an extreme hallucination.

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Fug 'em!
Posted by: kimbari on May 8, 2009 1:56 AM   
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I lost my job and unemployment wasn't enough to pay all the bills, plus the credit cards, especially when they started leveling late fees. How do they expect anybody to catch up when they charge $40 late fees on a $10 bill? And then there were overlimit fees, added on top of that. We finally said fuck it, and filed for bankruptcy. I don't care what it does to my credit record. To hell with credit. (Yeah, I know some employers won't hire you if you've filed for bk. I wouldn't want to work for a place like that, anyway.)

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» There is life after bankruptcy Posted by: Gravitas
correction
Posted by: cplot on May 8, 2009 2:14 AM   
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Matt writes:

“Imagine an oil company that got to buy government crude from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve at a discount during the Katrina crisis and then turned around and gouged consumers during the shortage.”

Actually it's different in the case of the banks. They have been given the funds to loan back to us through credit card accounts. They have made no promise to pay any of these funds back to the US treasury. The American people are borrowing funds through the US treasury to give to the banks so that they can loan us the funds a second time at much higher interest rates. The banks win all around.

The analogous approach would be for the US government to buy up foreign oil at the market rate, give it to the oil companies who then sell it back to Americans at price gouging rates.

Otherwise a great commentary Matt.

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Memo
Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 8, 2009 2:27 AM   
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Another good example of Taibbi cutting through the noise.

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When did the standards sink so low?
Posted by: uncertain on May 8, 2009 3:17 AM   
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"Except that in reality the consequences of "populist" anger in this country are somewhat, uh, less severe."

It's bad enough that some people can barely speak any more without saying, "uh," or, "um," fifty times in a single sentence.

It's bad enough when you have to listen to a bunch of teenagers sit around and say things like this because they think it's "witty" or "sarcastic" in some sense or another. How much of an asshole do you have to be to think that writing it out gives your writing any semblance of wit? How much of a dickhead do you ave to be that you can't write a piece about economics of all things without dumbing it down in an effort to seem "hip" and/or "cool"?

It used to be you only saw this kind of idiocy in personal blogs, MySpace pages, and the like. When did standards for writing and even editorializing sink low enough that this valley-girl-esque, chatty-styled writing became the average model for printed discourse? This style of writing is even starting to make its' way into so-called mainstream news articles.

Why does everything have to be so, like, dumbed down, like, all the time? I'm, like, so totally sure, okay?

Gag me with a spoon.

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» Fo shazzle, doggie! Posted by: ABetterFuture
» Standards Posted by: kepstein7777
» Seriously? Posted by: moonshadow
AT
Posted by: Trixietheduck on May 8, 2009 4:25 AM   
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>In other words, when you borrow $500 billion against $20 billion and blow all of it at the roulette table, you should get a bailout; but when you take out a $10,000 credit card to pay for gas and groceries, you should pay whatever freight the company deems fit.

An excellent point. How have we (the people) become so hypnotized that such gross disparities don't register in the profound way they should? This reminds me of a past article (different author) about the busses going to the residences of the top AIG employees in CT; the author described creeping feelings of shame when he saw the lovely houses and manicured lawns and realized that his own comparative poverty made him feel wrong and undeserving. This is one dark spot in the American psyche that must be corrected, and swiftly, or we'll lay down and let ourselves be walked on over and over again in the future. One thing we need is a revolution in how we see and value ourselves (as in, not in terms of poor = bad and undeserving; rich = good and always forgiven) - consciousness raising, anyone?

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Keep the pressure on with an information campaign
Posted by: jenahill on May 8, 2009 4:49 AM   
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Matt has once again demonstrated the connection between our Fed government actions and the rich and powerful financial elite of this era.
As I wrote to one of my Senators this week, I am tired of the "era of entitlement" where those who run the financial and corporate sectors write laws to favor themselves and vast transfers of wealth are going on without question.
The republicans who led the ensconcement of the financial elites in Lakoffs assessment act on their paternalistic value system and believe they know what's best for us. Now the daddies have picked their favorite child, the financial companies, and bailed them out of trouble. Other children such as the auto industry have really been ignored and told they should have known better. (One side effect is breaking the largest union in our country the UAW, which the financial companies are certainly celebrating at the country club.)
Until the majority of citizens to realize that daddy corporate doesn't know best, the financial companies have little to fear. But I do see a backlash amongst the masses building and this summer it may heat up and boil over.

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Michael Hiltzik is partially right
Posted by: cvstoner on May 8, 2009 5:00 AM   
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And this is not to defend the credit card companies. Their despicable business practices rightly deserve derision. However, it is also ridiculous to throw money at these lending institutions so that they can go back to the loose lending practices that got us in this trouble in the first place – except it’s now taxpayers’ money on the line instead of some sucker investor.

What we really need to do is spend the money on job creation so that people can get back to work and fix their balance sheets. Only then will they be able to afford loans provided at reasonable rates and with the due diligence needed to ensure they can actually pay the loans back.

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Credit card debt
Posted by: Cybershaman on May 8, 2009 6:01 AM   
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At one point the corporate structure figured out that, instead of paying us more money as the cost of living went up, they could create an industry around lending us the money we needed to pay our bills. Instead of raises we got mailboxes overflowing with applications for credit cards and the mindset of the American people changed to the 'buy now, pay later' mode.

It might have worked if all our good paying jobs had not then been shipped overseas.

BTW, this same type of thinking has been the cornerstone of the governments borrowing and the borrowing of the financial sector as well.

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» RE: Credit card debt Posted by: JSquercia
Duh. They've got a well of willfully ignorant suckers already.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 8, 2009 6:22 AM   
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Just like the re-mortgage industry, credit cards are a huge part of psyche for the lowest common denominator folks--read "consumers"--out there.

Credit cards help them feel taller, sexier, and like they have enough money to afford more house, more car, more cable channels, more, more, more...

Some folks with few talents have always paid their bills by selling hair tonic and rain pills to silly people with more money than sense. Exploiting the willfully ignorant is and always will be a way for these folks to put food on their family, to borrow the phrase from your buddy GW.

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If you can't pay cash for it, you don't need it.
Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing on May 8, 2009 6:32 AM   
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If you're drowning in credit card debt, blame yourself first. Nobody held a gun to your head and forced you to possess or use a credit card. By refusing to do without things you cannot pay for with cash, you brought your misery upon yourself.

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» Aren't We Self Righteous Posted by: Gravitas
» Keep your sympathy. Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
» I do that all the time on the internet. Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
Bought and Paid For
Posted by: Gravitas on May 8, 2009 6:38 AM   
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I think Tabbi's article was great, but how come it doesn't occur to us that that journalist was paid to write the pro credit card article. (Or did it and I just missed that somewhere?) I am sure everyone here knows about the VNR, commercials within newscasts that are made to look like legitimate news. It seems this pro credit card moron is just industry PR.

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Why not a "Grassroots Jubilee"?
Posted by: Uncle John on May 8, 2009 6:42 AM   
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This all makes me wonder what would happen if consumers united to skip or make only minimum payments to say, Citi, for 2 months; then Wells for 2 months. . .

How long before they're stretched too thin. . . and topple?

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Usury
Posted by: ChrisII on May 8, 2009 7:00 AM   
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As usual, Matt is right on. The credit card companies will always be in the drivers seat until the powers that be reinstate the anti-usury laws that have been on the books since Hammurabi. We could update them to cap the interest rate at a generous 9 percent (and of course no fees). Don't hold your breath. In the meantime, let public anger reign. It's time for the torches and pitchforks.

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on May 8, 2009 7:17 AM   
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It is time to use cash as much as possible instead of credit, if you can. These masters of the universe have the people coming and going. If some one uses a credit card they could face interest rates of 30% if they are not careful and sometimes even if they are. And then when you deposit money into their banks you either get no interest or 1 0r 2%. Then if you use your ATM card at a location other than the cards bank a further fee is incurred. All this after they were given our taxpayer money for next to nothing or nothing.

America has turned into a herd of cattle that even after to gate is left open they do not bother to walk towards freedom or justice but instead we just stand there until the next abuse.

Call all your representatives in government and get involved so that we can form a counter weight to the corporate lobbyist who have done more harm to this country then even the idiots in government. If we keep standing in that field eventually we will be slaughtered like the rest of the herd....and the beat goes on.

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Dr..PHIL knows all the answers
Posted by: richholland on May 8, 2009 7:32 AM   
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On TV
The brave Dr.Phil and his brainbox
How to survive the crisis

1.pay off the creditcard debts

2.pay your insurancebills

3. refinance your house.

On behalf of the creditcardCompany and the Banks and other corporations, THANK you,
Great Patriot.

Donot change things in the USA, you might hurt the billionaires.

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LATime's David Lazarus got it right
Posted by: Alex Hidell on May 8, 2009 7:39 AM   
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Google up this article:

Loophole lets credit card rates rise
by David Lazarus
February 18, 2009

It gives the sordid political history of credit card companies making mincemeat of the usury laws starting with the Marquette National Bank vs. First of Omaha Corp. case the Supreme Court heard in 1978, allowing for banks (no matter where they're located) to charge the rate of the bank's "home" state.

It's strange that the LA Times article Taibbi mentions is going to get all the press now, while Lazarus's excellent articles will probably be ignored. This is a real shame.

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Yes we should be outraged-
Posted by: harpy on May 8, 2009 8:11 AM   
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especially at the so-called "Credit Cardholders Bill of Rights"! Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney (D) NY, sponsored a bill called the "Credit Cardholders Bill of Rights", or H.R. 627, which was passed in the House on April 30 by a margin of 357 - 70. Great!!!

Look if up and you will note that there are NO rate caps or fee caps. For the millions of Americans who have already been hit with these outrageous rate hikes, and the for the millions who WILL be hit with these hikes before the Bill takes effect (assuming it passes in the Senate) we are just screwed!!! The outrageous rates are why people are screaming! What good does it do to prevent a $10.00 fee when they're making an extra $100.00 or $200.00 from interest?

Also, it claims to end unfair, arbitrary rate increases. "Requires card companies to give 45 days notice of all rate increases or significant contract changes so consumers can pay off their balances and shop for a better deal." Oh, really? I don't know about most card holders, but in general, paying off the balance within 45 days is not an option. If you had the money you wouldn't need to carry the balance to begin with, would you? Shop for a better deal? Sure. These companies that received bailout money have tightened up the credit, so transferring the balance might not be all that easy. Also, a balance transfer might come in under a great rate, but will most likely be raised up to that usury rate after the promo period is over. You might have saved a little, but in the long run, you're still screwed! Also, every time I've received a rate increase notice they have those same provisions, except they give you till the next billing period, essentially the same as 45 days. Pay it off and close the account is the only way to avoid these increases and the H. R. 627 just mimics the same deal the card companies offer.

This bill explicitly gives the bank the right to increase your rate if you're 30 days late. So, you're already in trouble, so they get to up your rate, charging you way more in interest, making it even harder to make the payment and pay it off! Gee, thanks. Might as well file bankruptcy! Oh, yeah, thanks to Bush signing the Bankruptcy Act which was written by Bank of America, a huge Bush contributor, that option is practically gone. Gee, thanks for nothing!

This bill does prevent "pay to pay" charges. But I reiterate, what's a $10.00 "pay to pay" charge against a $200.00 increased interest rate.

What a disappointment. This much lauded legislation does very little to actually help the consumer. What a waste of time!

The bill caps late charges to 3 per single transaction. Huh? You go over limit, and they can charge you 3 times for that one infraction? How about once? Wouldn't that make more sense? Also, oftentimes those over-limit instances are due to the interest charges being added, not to the customer actually going over limit with charges. Why are they allowed to charge a fee because their charges, which you can never accurately pre-calculate, caused the account to go over the top?

Now, I know there are some of you out there that will smugly brag that you don't use credit cards, or suggest "Just pay it off and there's no problem." I wish it were so easy. Try to book a motel room or rent a car, or have an emergency without a credit card. Tough luck!!

I watched a documentary called "Maxed Out," and it was a real eye-opener. It chronicled how whistleblowers had testified that many of these banks actually SINGLE OUT cardholders who never miss a payment, and then deliberately shred or hold the payment in a drawer until it is late. Then they proceed to raise interest rates and start charging the fees. No matter that they wreck your credit in the process.

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» RE: Yes we should be outraged- Posted by: RickMassey
Me and my pitchfork are with you there......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on May 8, 2009 8:33 AM   
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An excellent article! I don't know when "we the people" actually started to believe in the swill both from the media, and the politicians that keep pushing it out, but all one has to do is to connect the dots and follow the money to see exactly how the "average Joe" is doing!!!

So maybe the next time a robber sticks someone up, his defense should be similar to the bankers "I don't know what happened", it seemed to work for them! As for me, I'm sharpening the tines of my pitchfork! Is there someone willing to heat the tar, and don't forget the feathers!!!!

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DaPirate
Posted by: timgeg on May 8, 2009 8:45 AM   
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Want to see where the banking induustry buys congress? Check it out here -http://maplight.org/
It's intresting to see who got the money and how they voted.

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How can Matt be so right...and still so wrong?
Posted by: fsuthai on May 8, 2009 8:54 AM   
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I like his writing style and agree with his sentiments in this piece...but his opening statement, "Is there any business in the United States more vilified than credit card lending?", kind of threw me off because I think his profession/business (the Press/Media) should be equally vilified due to its silence over the facts regarding 9/11. The only scenario that fits the facts & circumstances of that horrendous betrayal is that of an INSIDE JOB! Matt's previous ridicule of those of us that will never accept the obvious lies, omissions, and inconsistencies of the 9/11 Commission Report has tainted my outlook on anything he subsequently writes. Unless it's an apology for not having the guts to be truthful about the root cause for the mayhem & murder of the Bush/Cheney reign of shame!

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DaPirate
Posted by: timgeg on May 8, 2009 8:58 AM   
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"What's in your wallet?"
Ever see these stupid, simple minded, Capital One commercials that run all day long? They are spending millions of dollars a day on this scam. There is a sucker born every minute, and Capital One understands this very well.

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Funny, no mention of the King of the Credit Card Industry, VP Joe Biden D-MBNA !!
Posted by: maxpayne on May 8, 2009 9:47 AM   
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So who really expects the credit card industries to listen to us anyway? They've got the credit card goons in the higher up offices with Gangster Biden in the second highest office of the land. Lots of luck people. You're gonna need it !

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» It's not a football game Posted by: leafsong1
Another Taibbi piece...
Posted by: mark_proulx on May 8, 2009 10:11 AM   
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...hits the center of the bull's eye!

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It's easier to blame the guy who bought
Posted by: weslen1 on May 8, 2009 10:13 AM   
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the house with no down payment, (no dog in the race) and then had his job outsourced, (made the bad choice to quit working) and (CHOSE) to stop paying and lay around on unemployment because he "Doesn't Understand the NEED to WORK and WHY" because he "believes" (HAS FAITH) that Government will ride in on a MAGIC HORSE and a fairy wand and rescue him from his bad CHOICES.

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on May 8, 2009 10:25 AM   
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Wish I had the money to start a grass roots credit card company with low interest, no fees and great service. It would make a fortune while putting the criminal credit card companies out of business. Does anyone have a spare trillion lying around, except our government thank you, to get this off the ground.

Look at the bright side pants will get cheaper because they will not have to put pockets in them anymore.

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» You kidding? Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
Government facilitates Big Business
Posted by: vioibi on May 8, 2009 3:13 PM   
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Whenever large companies get even larger we always hear that it is good for the consumer. When we get more services they turn around and apply for deregulation of fess which the government approves because supposedly competition will keep prices reasonable. Banks, for example, increase their prices every year and apply charges for any new services. The cost of an NSF cheque with some banks is now $60. Credit card companies are now allowed to charge a fee for a missed payment. My cable bill goes up every year. Only one company provides cable service in my area because they bought up all of their competitors. My hydro bill went up 17% one year even though the cost of living increase was officially around 2%. Yet as a unionized worker I was only getting 2 or 3% wage increases on two year contracts. We even had difficulty getting that. The employer wanted give-backs on other benefits. The employee cost share of benefits was increased by the provider every year. They also insisted that brand name drugs be replaced by generics. If I miss a payment on my credit cards it goes on my credit report making it harder for me to get new credit. Yet these huge business are allowed to create money-making schemes on bad debt which fail and the government comes running with billions of dollars. Sure, and as workers we're told that there is no class system. Then why have wages been stagnate for about 10 years?

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Wassamattayou?
Posted by: willymack on May 9, 2009 9:32 AM   
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So, credit cards charge huge interest rates, with penalties galore for any infringement, real or imagined.
So, terms of the contract are written in microspopic writing.
So, the "service" center is in Bangalore, Manila, or Kuala Lumpor, and NOT in the US. Heaven forbid, Americans should have those jobs.
So, directions for redress of grievances are locked in a vault, and guarded by a leopard.
How do you expect the bankers to get insanely RICH, anyway?
So, these rich bankers bribe crooked politicians to favor them with phony "laws". What the hell are you getting MAD about, anyway?
Wassamattayou?

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Well, What Did You Expect?
Posted by: davidt on May 11, 2009 10:46 PM   
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You knothead whiners out there consider this:

1. In 2000 you had a candidate that was espousing policies that would have corrected the ramifications of continued policies that he was railing at that you are criticizing the novice Obama administration for not correcting in 3 months!

2. In 2004 you had a candidate that was espousing policies that would have corrected the ramifications of continued policies that he was railing at that your are criticizing the novice Obama administration for not correcting in 3 months!

The first candidate was running in the 2000 & 2004 campaign. The second was running in the 2004 campaign.

The first candidate is a long-term representative that lives in his first house, is probably worth less than $300,000, if that. Is married to a woman who specializes in Mediation & he has a Masters Degree in Communications...duhh Media REFORM!!!!!!!!!!

The second candidate, when asked would he break up the media monopolies answered succinctly "yup"!

Now the first candidate supports same-sex marriage & was pro-choice & he would have canceled NAFTA...but he is a VEGETARIAN & a Catholic.

The second candidate did get "assassinated" by a MSM hitjob that filtered out hall noise to make it look like he was yelling to an empty room.

Those candidates were Dennis Kucinich & Howard Dean. What happened to them? Did any of you complaining clucks work for them? Did any of you clucks hear tax & spend liberal or too hot tempered to win and decide that "I can't support him he'll raise my taxes!!!!!!!!" Whine, whine, whine.

Well, look what the hell you have now, and what you are complaining about

The trouble with Americans is we are a spoiled-brat nation bent on self-satiety, always have been. We have been pampered with "divine-right superiority" from birth. We would much rather have a MSM that lies to us and abets our own self-denial. Then we can sit back and watch our soaps, our games, our "wrasslin-ultimate cage fights" or other such dramatic pastimes.

Then, when things get tough, like a $4/gallon gas price, do we start to drive a little slower? Noooooooo...we go hollering to our "assholes in DC" to fix it. High gas prices are OK for the rest of the world but we want our "magic wand" waved so it'll all go away & we can get back to what's important like the "over & under" on ESPN--owned by one of the largest multi-national corporations in the world that started out as one man's dream to make cartoons--Disney, Inc.

Well now that we have slept through the corporatization of our elapsed "democracy" we are going to pay, and pay, and pay. And no whining, grousing, name-calling, gun purchases, hissing with Fox News is going to make a difference.

Maybe now we will start to become "active" citizens again and make a last-ditch effort to restore this precarious democracy that we inherited from our BRILLIANT founding fathers, who were NOT Christians!!!!!!!!

But judging from some of the ad hominem comments that I read here, I doubt it.

David T. Gray
Claremont, NH

P.S.--Eight out of every 10 Americans hasn't read a book in years. But we did make Dumb and Dumber profitable enough to get a sequel. Now that's something to crow about.

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I heart you Matt...
Posted by: kelly.nickell on May 11, 2009 11:38 PM   
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MT brought me to AlterNet via his first book a long time ago.

He may use "um" to emphasize the eye-roll involved in describing this bullshit, but he usually cuts to the chase just as you expect him to:

As for the credit card companies, fuck them.

Got to love precision.

and fuck BofA, Diners Club, and a few others that helped me spiral into bankruptcy in 2004.

BofA is now using a trip wire tactic for folks that live too close to the wire with their debit cards - like me.

BofA uses at least two different account systems in the US. One that adds two zeros to your account number for Florida, for instance, and the rest for, um, the California accounts, for instance. Making it almost mandatory to carry accounts in two states, as I am trying to work here in CA, while back home in FL, my transactions happen at the speed of pony-express.

According to "Betty" of FL accounts to whom I was passed from CA two weeks ago, BofA posts 7 days a week - a lie.

I recently treated myself to a sit down dinner on a Thursday night at a chain here in Sherman Oaks CA. That transaction did not post until the following Monday night after a transaction that I tried to get stopped on Friday and Saturday; an automatic bill pay that I couldn’t cover.

A transaction that went through on Monday managed to top everything in the queue for the previous four days, creating seven overdraft fees at $35 bucks a piece, instead of one, which in turn sent more things augering in.

Now Betty claims that BofA uses largest to smallest queueing, not a lie, as used by the big banks because of the magical way that it can turn one overdraft into dozens - at $35 a pop - a multi-billion dollar way to turn a profit in the age of NOW!. For folks like me, it's a death trap.

If BofA is going to transact my debit card like checks in the mail, that's exactly what I intend to do. Burn the plastic and start writing checks again, lots of them.

Ever write a 75 cent check? It's really quite pleasing. Try it sometime, for BofA's sake.

Now, back to my conversation with “Betty”, which netted me exactly nothing but a better understanding of how far these shit-bags have raped our rules in just the last eight years, bursting veins in my eyes, and the lies about how they post, who they post from, when, and why. Byzantine. I guess it wasn't a conversation after all; it was a good old fashion schooling. Sorry, Betty, you suck.

As an aside, I was an on-site network engineer at BofA for a networking company in the nineties, working on among other things, their funds-transfer network, their Intuit network, and their Visa network.

The did care about their customers.

They don’t anymore.

So Matt, thanks for the precision, heres my Nickell's worth: Fuck'em all

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freedom
Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com on May 12, 2009 7:52 AM   
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I no longer rely on credit cards to "assist" me in my daily financial travails. I use only my bank cards, which keeps me on an "Available cash" basis. Having given up on credit cards, I no longer am tempted to purchase that which I cannot afford. Life is more simple and my stress level has diminished accordingly.

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