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The Battle for Healthcare Begins

By Katrina vanden Heuvel, The Nation. Posted May 7, 2009.


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"If there is no public insurance option…then this is not reform at all."

That's what Governor Howard Dean said last night in a conference call with thousands of activists -- and he's absolutely right.

As Dr. Dean noted, the battle for real reform begins Tuesday morning, when Senator Max Baucus chairs a Senate Finance Committee hearing that will look into the public plan option. Activists are writing messages on why such a plan is critical and Senator John Kerry will read some of them into the record at the hearing.

The conference call -- organized by MoveOn and Democracy For America-- began with a story similar to that of too many citizens across the nation. MoveOn member Lisa Hall said she was in a car accident -- hit by a drunk driver -- and was laid off in the aftermath when she couldn't work. She lost her insurance, COBRA ran out, and the bills mounted as no insurance company would cover her due to pre-existing conditions. "Ultimately," Small said, "[I went into] bankruptcy, like so many others…. The healthcare in this country has to be accessible to everyone. Not just the healthy people or the rich. We're just working folks, trying to keep our jobs and what we've earned."

Dean said the outcome of this fight will be determined by activists. We know what's coming -- charges of "socialized medicine", "you won't be able to choose your doctor", "a bureaucrat in Washington will make your healthcare decisions," etc. It will be up to the people to write letters to the editor, call your congressman, talk to neighbors. Myths will need to be debunked, front groups exposed, and money trails followed. Already, special interest groups are making robocalls and devoting millions of dollars to an anti-choice campaign.

"What we want to do is give people a choice," Dean said. "And stop saying you've got to be in the private insurance market or have no insurance whatsoever if you're under 65." (People over 65 are already in a single-payer system -- Medicare.)

As Dean pointed out, the facts are on our side in this battle. For starters, the proposal of a public plan option allows people to keep their private insurance if they want to and even subsidizes it. It's also cheaper than private insurance since a greater percentage of premiums goes towards healthcare instead of CEO salaries, shareholder dividends, swank offices, etc. (In Vermont, Governor Dean was able to cut administrative costs by 1/3 when the state ran Medicaid instead of a private company.)

But in Washington -- facts be damned -- real reform that benefits ordinary citizens doesn't come without a tough fight. "We're going to have an all out fight about this… and we're not going to go down again," Dean said. "If members of Congress know how strongly people feel about this they're going to think twice about voting against it."

Dean said that Senator Baucus is the legislator who most needs convincing since his committee is one of the two in the Senate that will deal with the bill -- and he especially needs to hear from people from his home state.

"He is nominally in favor of [the public option] but has also said that he might trade it away," Dean said. "I don't think it's necessary to trade it away -- we have a Democratic President, a Democratic Senate, and a Democratic House, there's no reason to trade it away…. I think we're going to get a good bill out of the House, the problem is in the Senate."

Indeed, the Senate is a place that resists change and all too often kills needed reform. This time around, we can't let that happen. Tell your representatives now that it's time to give people the option of a public plan.


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Tuesday Was Two Days Ago ... Doctors, Single Payer Activists Arrested...
Posted by: mmckinl on May 7, 2009 12:28 AM   
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Health Care Activists Disrupt Senate Finance Committee Hearing
by Carrie Budoff Brown
Health care activists disrupted a Senate Finance Committee hearing Tuesday, standing up one after the other as Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) tried to restore order.

As soon as police escorted one protester out of the room, another would stand up, criticizing the committee for convening a panel of 15 experts and excluding witnesses who support creating a Medicare system for all Americans. About eight were led out of the hearing.

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That's right folks ... 15 witnesses ... and not one there to advocate for HR676 Medicare for All ... not one ...

Health Care Activists Disrupt Senate Finance Committee Hearing

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Two Days Ago They the Senate Hearing Health Care Charade ...

Doctors, Single Payer Activists Arrested
by Donna Smith
It has finally happened right here in the United States. Citizens who believe healthcare is a human right have been arrested and are being processed like criminals through the Southeast District of Columbia police station.

Their crime? Asking for single payer healthcare reform - publicly funded, privately delivered healthcare - to be discussed during the Congressional hearings on reform.

Doctors and other single payer activists were handcuffed and went to jail today speaking up for single payer to be at the table in the Senate finance Committee's roundtable discussion on healthcare access and coverage. In stark contrast, Karen Ignagni, head of the industry lobby group American Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) was escorted into the room like royalty by staff members of the Senate committee. Clearly, the position of the United States Senate is not with the majority of Americans who support a national, public insurance system.

Doctors, Single Payer Activists Arrested

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» Arrogant twit. Posted by: zipoka
» Treason to the American people Posted by: NYmediator
US HEALTH CARE REFORM WILL HAPPEN THIS TIME
Posted by: drricklippin on May 7, 2009 3:03 AM   
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Despite the US Senate and it's finance Chair Max Baucus the stars have finally aligned on meaningful health care reform.

The american public needs relief as do businesses large, medium and small.(an important alliance) Also the long term economic health of the entire nation depends on reform.

About the only ones left standing to resist reform now are those in the health care industry who excessively profiteer from our very broken and very expensive system (most notably Big PhRMA and Big Insurance)and a dwindling number of increasingly isolated fringe Republicans who will use outmoded jingoistic phrases like "socialized medicine" to unsuccessfully try to scare voters. (This latter tactic will fail this time)

One quarrel I have with the extreme left, however, is that ALL nations -but especially those like ours with an aging demographic- must also focus strongly on on ethical and fair health care cost control. We cannot sustain our high-tech-high cost bloated system-filled with unnecessary diagnostic procedures and therapeutic misadventures (many of which do not work or are unsafe) for all comers.

So "Medicare for all" is not the answer. But health care for all will happen by the end of this year. Finally!

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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» We could sustain it Posted by: NYmediator
» If we but.. Posted by: jvaljon1
I saw this article yesterday on CD and I had a hell of a lot to say about this.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on May 7, 2009 4:22 AM   
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Here's the link:

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/06-4

You'll see my responses even though I admit I went haywire yesterday. So much to say to the point that I would need more space just to post them all. I battling people who misuse the word "compromise" to hide their intent to concede with the enemies but butt kicking I must do.

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» Thank you Mr. More. :) Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Eleventh Amendment will rise again Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
I don't believe Howard Dean for what he says on the issue.
Posted by: John More on May 7, 2009 5:13 AM   
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My wife's brother who lives in VT told me Howard Dean's actual positions on the issue of single payer. His opposition while governor is totally inexcusable. It's like Algore's support of NAFTA and other anti-environmental policies during Clinton's presidency. And who is KVH to spout her typical party hack drivel anyway? She looks like a tramp as it is and I think I know why.

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» WTF are you talking about? Posted by: Jason Jordan
Wakey wakey eggs and bakey
Posted by: JerseyGeoff on May 7, 2009 5:15 AM   
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Where the heck has Alternet been in not covering the 8 arrests on Tuesday? Recounting this article which of course, written before the event is nice- but far better is to explain how sincere some protesters were- including Medical Doctors who felt compelled to honorably dissent before Mad Max Baucus's kangeroo hearings.
Baucus has collected huge sums from out of state healthcare interests- he is tainted, probably bent and certainly has no interest in the common person.
Cover that!

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» RE: Wakey wakey eggs and bakey Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
Democrats Join Republicans in Watching Americans Die
Posted by: monashaw on May 7, 2009 5:54 AM   
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"Democrats Join Republicans in Watching Americans Die" should have been the headline to this story. The insidious and outrageous way both parties have colluded to keep HR676, the single-payer bill off the table--even for discussion--is so outrageous that you can make an argument that it's genocide. Most Americans want this bill passed. Can we have out democracy back, please?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3SI5naKbsQ

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Time to act up!!!!
Posted by: Spiritgirl on May 7, 2009 6:27 AM   
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Sorry folks, it's time to act up! Far too many people don't have health-care, they have sick-care! And far too many people that have "some" kind of coverage are paying way too much, and are not covered as well as they think they are! Please tell me what's the difference between some bean counter in Washington, and the bean counter at your health-plan - your health-plan is more likely to deny you the care you need or the percentage that they pay vs. what you will end up paying is enough to put you into bankruptcy!

I don't know about anyone else, but I do know that "we" are all in this together! When did health-care become a business? "We" have allowed to delusions of trickle-down economics to ravage our economy, outsource our jobs, all while the rich & corporate legally steal our money hand over fist, time to shut it down! We are our brothers keeper, and now is the time to show it, and show out! Write/fax/call your Congresspeople and demand that they support comprehensive publicly financed healthcare for all! This is not a Democratic or a Republican issue, this is a human issue that we all must stand for!

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Chuck Pennacchio, Executive Director, Healthcare for All PA
Posted by: cpennacchio on May 7, 2009 7:27 AM   
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With all due respect, Katrina, the so-called "public option" might have a chance of succeeding if, and only if, profit-centered insurance companies can be regulated (read: lobbying, campaign financing, profiteering). Otherwise, it's a extremely uneven playing field that the profit-centered health insurers will continue to win. If history teaches us nothing else about our hyper-capitalized-political system, it most clearly teaches us that.

Word just out of DC is that Sen. Charles Schumer of NY wants to deny any "surplus funds" to the "public option" in order to "level the playing field" so that the profit-first insurance companies will have a "fighting chance." This is a sham, of course, since the deck has always been stacked in favor of the medical-industrial giants. Political bosses in both major parties are enabling these industries by advancing the "unfair playing field" argument while continuing to stack the deck against an anticipated "public option" -- a financing track already burdened with the sickest and poorest of Americans under its umbrella.

Moreover, all of these non-single payer, so-called "plans," "options," and "pragmatic proposals" are, in fact, designed to confuse and undermine the Single Payer Solution. It's also indicative of how single payer advocates are winning, particularly at the state level.

What Mahatma Gandhi said about his country's modern struggle for national independence from the British Empire has direct application to the single payer movement. Gandhi said: first, they ignore you; then, they ridicule you; then, they attack you; then, you win. As yet another populist fight for justice, the single payer movement is now enduring the attack phase -- a clear indicator that we are close to victory. Now is not the time to give up and settle for illusory hope; now is the time to fight for what is within our grasp and, oh yes, for what is the only proven remedy for that which makes all of us sick: the Single Payer Solution.

Chuck Pennacchio, Ph.D.
www.healthcare4allpa.org

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for the health business, every claim paid is a loss
Posted by: Higher Reptile on May 7, 2009 7:34 AM   
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as revealed in the 1971 conniving Nixon HMO tapes, Edgar Kaiser (Permanente)got Dick to scuttle public health, for the sole purpose of opening a market of unlimited profit opportunities. caring for our health was not the plan, just a sales pitch

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Ah, Katrina van Heuvel. The go-to lady for abortion and baby-killing !
Posted by: Jason Jordan on May 7, 2009 7:35 AM   
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if Ms. Heuvel really supports single payer healthcare, then why does she continue to defend dictators such as Obama who oppose it? I guess Ms. Heuvel finally got the message that America is sick and tired of abortion and would actually love to fix the healthcare mess for a change. Hey, even more of us fellow Idahoans out here are strongly in favor of single payer even if our fucking House and Senate reps aren't, save the new Democrat who just got in.

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» STFU you moron!! Posted by: yellow
Good. Get it over with and report the real costs.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 7, 2009 8:08 AM   
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Hell, even fund a pilot study comparing Congressional managed FEMA-style health delivery versus that of the over-priced insurance and models that manage healthcare for the benefit of shareholders.

Let the sick and dead speak as loud as free-as-in-beer proponents and the industry shills.

Mayhap it will force reasonable people to take note, and demand action at the ballot box.

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» Great idea except for that Posted by: bthespoon
» Hey gas bag, Posted by: zipoka
Why isn't the Headline here "DFA Joins the GOP in letting Americans Die?"
Posted by: monashaw on May 7, 2009 8:59 AM   
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Seriously, the freeze-out of HR676 and single-payer by Democrats is an outrageous assault on democracy and a real case could be made that it's genocide.

I'll never take Howard Dean seriously again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3SI5naKbsQ

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Obama said
Posted by: solrev on May 7, 2009 9:19 AM   
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Obama has never supported anything but government handouts to insurance companies. Maybe next time. Obama will not do anything but hide behind the Senate. Where is the televised town hall meeting on this debate?

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The battle for healthcare reform has been ongoing. KVH is as usual way behind.
Posted by: maxpayne on May 7, 2009 9:48 AM   
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Maybe if she'd quit obsessing on abortion and dressing "sexy" would she have written this a long time ago. If KVH would have allowed better pols to win rather than endorsing and telling others to vote for mediocre Deks, then we wouldn't be having this kind of a mess that we're having now.

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Assholes rule
Posted by: willymack on May 7, 2009 10:34 AM   
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Back in the eighties, I was a bus driver for Metro Transit in Seattle. I had complete health care coverage through Group Health Cooperative(HMO), and after four years, 100% dental coverage, gratis, and all part of my pay package. I injured myself on the job, and after a year of pain, finally got a lamenectomy (disc removal) operation, which fixed the problem. My neurosurgen popped his head in my door a few hours after I left the recovery room to say hi, and ask how I felt. In a flash of insight, I asked him if this was a consultation, and if so, how much was being billed to my insurance. He said yes and one hundred fifty dollars. I asked him why so much (as he was on a fixed salary and not on commission). His reply was "assholes rule". Here was a medical man disgusted with the way things were in the eighties. I can only imagine what it's like now. The assholes nowadays are the drug and insurance companies, both of whom will use their vast wealth and ability to bribe crooked politicians into preserving the status quo. My guess is that they'll succeed and that we won't have universal health care in my lifetime.

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If you take out the opportunity for outrageous profit...
Posted by: owlsliveintrees on May 7, 2009 11:12 AM   
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You won't get the same quality of care. And this comes from someone who supports a system in which everyone is covered.

"Hey pharma companies: We want you to go to the same efforts to make life saving medicines as you did before, except this time you're not going to get rich doing it."

I'd say "thanks anyway."

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We need a cure for health care in America
Posted by: tmullins on May 7, 2009 11:22 AM   
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In Tennessee and Virginia, Profit care comes ahead of Patient care.

http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62

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Single Payer Activists banned/arrested
Posted by: zepher on May 7, 2009 12:05 PM   
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at the real time ongoing Senate Finance Committee right now. Doctors and other protestors are being evicted from the Senate Finance discussion. If you care to contact the Senators on this committee, here's the list of who they are:

http://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/committee.htm

Good reference sites are:

http://www.healthcare-now.org

http://www.thenation.com/

We really have to fight for the right to get single payer universal Health Care coverage in America. Our own Senators are betraying us once again, both Dems and Repubs. I just called and emailed all the Democrats on the Finance Committee.

Stay current by going to the above sites, it won't be on corp media.

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boycott the comercials
Posted by: lulugeez on May 7, 2009 12:10 PM   
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Most of your tv viewing is monitored by your
digital cable box. If you're watching "Lost" or "Rescue Me" or any of the dozens of "Citizen as Perp or Victim" aka crime shows and a comercial airs libeling Single Payer and the "Public Option" switch to your community access channel or cspan. you can switch back later, but don't register viewing of the propaganda. Even better, it to call the local station and complain about the lies and tell them you won't watch any programming which airs the crud.

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» RE: boycott the comercials Posted by: jvaljon1
Change We Might as Well Forget About
Posted by: lorenbliss on May 7, 2009 1:29 PM   
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The most revealing element of the Democrats' approach to health care "reform" is Sen. Bacchus's woefully under-reported comment that the proper response to demands for a universal Medicare-type option is "more police."

Not that this should surprise anyone who pays attention. Bacchus' enthusiastic endorsement of suppression as the alternative to reform is merely another undeniable proof that government and governance at all levels of the United States have only one purpose: the propagation of capitalism.

Which means -- how many more times must it be said? -- the absolute protection of the ruling class, in this instance by preserving the $33 billion in profits its health-insurance barons steal from us each year for care and treatment that in the civilized world are considered a basic human right. Thus also the total subjugation of all the rest of us, in this instance by ensuring our continued fiscal enslavement by the sultans of sickness.

Once again we see not only the fact we live in a one-party nation, but also -- if we dare shed the blinders of Moron Nation denial -- that the true function of the so-called "social issues" (i.e., reproductive freedom, homosexual rights, forcible disarmament and other such controversies) is concealment of the despotism by which we are enslaved.

Indeed it is a brilliantly Machiavellian tactic: use public frenzies over economically meaningless social-issues to camouflage the fact that on pivotal matters involving economics and the related issues of workplace democracy, there is absolutely no difference between Democrat and Republican.

This is not hyperbole; the Democrats’ betrayal of our health-care hopes makes it ever more obvious that -- whether we elected Obama or McPalin -- we would still get the same thing: mandatory insurance (without any Medicare-type single-payer option) and -- as another Democratic betrayal has also already made obvious -- no Employee Free Choice Act either.

Thus presumably we are finally awakening to the fact that the U.S. is ruled not by two parties but by one -- the hard-right, ultimately theo/fascist Capitalist Party -- of which the Democrats and Republicans are but deliberately deceptive factions. Thus too, "Change We Can Believe In" is increasingly exposed as yet another ruling class Big Lie. Perhaps at last the ruling class has handed us a genuinely teachable moment.

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Townhall Article on GOP's "NO" Strategy
Posted by: Lilly on May 7, 2009 2:14 PM   
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Go to townhall.com to read "GOP Plans Senate Attack on Health Care". Republicans are working to sabotage a plan that hasn't yet been proposed yet, just as they are working to destroy the candidacy of a Supreme Court nominee who hasn't been nominated yet. A pattern?

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HEALTHCARE wouldn't BE A PROBLEM
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on May 7, 2009 2:34 PM   
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worth DISTRACTING YOU FROM WARCRIMES & YOUR DRIVING PART IN INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS PRIVACY VIOLATIONS

if you'd given a flying fuck about these issues WHEN YOU WERE PUTTING OBAMA ON THE CAMPAIGN.

nobody had any balls, nobody BUT CORPORATIONS forced his platform about anything.... to hell with populism, Americans were crying in their lattes about 'if we ask for too much, we'll looooose as McCain & Palin nailed their feet to the floor.

IN FACT,

the DNC was FUNDED IN PART BY AT&T while the 'progressive liberals' sat around patting each other on the back & drinking their faces off...

PROTESTERS WERE GETTING THEIR HEADS KNOCKED IN outside the AT&T PR greenzone in Denver.

Sure, y'all were happy to point fingers at the HORRIFICALLY WORSE RNC abuses... but you weren't too happy about the idea of DRIVING A REAL PLATFORM

spin forward!

suddenly: *gasp* Americans are obsessed with... AMERICANS again... & not exactly as interested in INTERNATIONAL PRIVACY RIGHTS VIOLATIONS or Afghanistan...

or the role of the US in abusing Latin America.

**congratulations** you're as self-interested as you ever were.

the only difference is that NOW, American industry gets to waive a black president in the face of China as they fight over who gets African resource rights & routes.

*oh yeah, lots of CHANGE*
& you're still more fucked that you were during Clinton or Carter.

IF YOU'RE LUCKY you'll get the nation you had under CARTER...

but that won't happen, because you're used to whinging like babies & haven't two clues how to stand up for yourselves without cringing that the Right makes it too hard to get anything done...

I guess its time to break out the geriatrics who remember how to make their point & get it done.

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There is only one word for it: BRIBES!
Posted by: Retired OldGuy on May 7, 2009 4:31 PM   
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Look, we have one major problem that has (a) caused our national economy to crash, and (b) prevents us from getting single-payer health care. It is that our politicians are corrupted by the bribes (they call them campaign contributions) from the insurance industry.

The LAST thing the industry wants is an efficient, workable solution to health care, because they know they'd then be on the outside looking in. Thus it is worth the $46 million that they gave in campaign contributions to both political parties in 2008.

Think about it: $46 Million in political bribes has saved them the $400 BILLION in insurance bureaucracy waste they are currently enjoying. We have a corrupt political system, and Obama was dead wrong not to pass public funding of campaigns before trying to fix the faults in the economy and health care.

So what do we do as voters? Pressure our politicians to pass single-payer and campaign reform, or vote them out of office in 2010!!! The IS NO other option.

Jack Lohman
http://MoneyedPoliticians.net

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Ignoring Insurer Investments May Doom Single Payer
Posted by: Baja K on May 7, 2009 5:06 PM   
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Several PNHP doctors reported (JAMA, The Lancet, etc.) years ago that top Health [sic] Insurers own multi-million dollar investments in everyone's most hated health-damaging, industry...cigarette manufacturing.
Search up "PHNP tobacco insurance". No secret, just inexplicably ignored.

Further looks at public filings at the SEC show that it's worse than that. Top insurers own massive holdings in military weaponry, pesticides, nukes, mountaintop removal coal, GE 'foods", pesticides, big oil, pharms (some that make tobacco pesticides even), and dioxin-creating chlorine industries galore.
Health insurers also invest mightily in pharmaceuticals...another blazing Conflict-of-Interest.
Is it any wonder that virtually all the Authorized Health Concerns of the nation involve natural threats, individual behavior, or "the unknown"? As if corporate health threats don't exist.

No Public Official can say, in public, that this is in any way acceptable. Sadly, no public officials seem to have been publicly asked about it. Few parents indeed would opt for the "choice" of having such industries involved in their or their children's health administration.
Non-profits can't invest but, of course, are no slouches in all the other heaps of spending on non-health-related matters.

People can invest in killer industries on their own if they want...but it is a perversion that such investments come from (mostly unwitting) health insurance customers.
That even a dime of our health care money goes to invest in the very industries that may be, and probably are, harming our health is a scandal that needs to be taken out of the closet.

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HERE'S WHAT DEMS DON'T WANT PUBLIC TO KNOW ABOUT SOC HEALTHCARE...
Posted by: SassyFrassy on May 7, 2009 9:45 PM   
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how many people don't know that an EAR INFECTON LEFT UNTREATED will result in PERMANENT PHYSICAL handicapping of your child/person.

How many people DON'T know THAT allergies and asthma LEFT untreated will result in PERMANENT HANDICAPPING and/or death and even more so in children?

YOU CAN bet the DEMS knew and are still willing to sell down the river the PUBLIC BY insisting on dragging it's feet on kicking out the soc healthcare and bailout.

HOW MANY people don't know that the longer the DEMS drag their feet on KICKING out the bailout the HIGHER TAXES will have to go to offset the spending spree these WASH DC SLUGS are on.

Geightners so-called fix?? it's creating a re-inflation bubble scheduled to burst worse than the one we are in and it will occur in 7 years.

why is that relevant??? in 2018 the bill for the bailout becomes due and payable and if the USA CANNOT PAY?? we will be owned by foreigners whom subscribe to sharia law.
To the present it's only one of the 1 % group of people attempting to destroy our Nation's economic systems.

WHY??? It was said to a WASH DC VIP---that the reason the Socialists think they will win this time and are doing this is because ACLU and their DEMS SLUGS -- they don't think American's are " smart enough" to care to let their fingers do the walking to protect their lands, their CONSTITUTION or their freedoms. The DEMS and ACLU don't think the 99% of American's will be 'smart enough" to CARE about their country, their homes, their small business enough to kick the WASH DC SLUGS out and send them packing by way of Balagovich for NOT doing what is right to protect PUBLIC freedoms and the free enterprise system (ie meaning small business/med business) and rights.

Therefore, they want to make sure they take all freedoms away from the public and they want to make it impossible for FREE ENTERPRISE to exist for the small business and mid business and sole proprietorship thru gravytraining BIG BUSINESS bankrupting our Nation and MUSCLING OUT the small/med sole proprietorships, and creating a welfare state. A move straight out of the marxist handbook. and by attempting to eradicate free speech.

Then, we will be SOCIALIST/GLOBALIST/MARX/FACIST/COMM COUNTRY and the marketplace will be MONOPOLIZED AND DOMINATED by the ENGORGED 1 or 2 or several big businesses in sector. Gone will be the hope for any American whom would wish to start a business and earn profit to live on

Seek legislative and LEGAL agencies to DISMANTLE the bailout and kick out the SOCIALIST stimulus.

see American center for law and justice

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CHILDREN MOST HARSHLY AFFECTED BY SOC HEALTHCARE
Posted by: SassyFrassy on May 7, 2009 9:47 PM   
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Here we have the DEMS always needing a bigger shovel for the level of UTOPIAN propaganda they want to throw at the UNSUSPECTING PUBLIC.

wanna? know the latest??? Michael moore made a progpaganda film where they attempt to bamboozle the PUBLIC by claiming CUBA'S healthcare is better than the USA ....and that the USA should go to the CUBAN model for healthcare.

WANNA KNOW??? what the reality is and whaaat they are really HIDING... the reality is in CUBA people have to BEG FROM TOURISTS for allergy inhalers and aspirin. You can bet if Americans are allowed to be bamboozled into Socialist healthcare DEMS will make SURE USA is WORSE OFF than CUBA.

According to the new stimulus if your child needs antibiotics and the GOV only wants to give them Asprin or NOTHING guess whaaat they will get ASPIRIN or NOTHING.

Whats worse.. if your/adult/child are X percent sick they ARE LEFT TO DIE.

Soc healthcare is MORE expensive AND gives NO HEALTHCARE. We are no scholar, but you don't need to be a scholar to SEE whaaat is wrong with the DEMS scenario.

DEMS LIED to claim our healthcare system is broken. SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE is MORE EXPENSIVE and gives NO HEALTHCARE.

PEOPLE, OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.

THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.

ALLOWING the DEMS socialize healthcare not only would prove expensive but DEADLY. Think about it?? DEMS WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY BUT DENY PUBLIC the meds and services it needs while GOV POCKETS THE CASH TO SPEND ON PORK.

don't ALLOW yourselves to be put off seek LEGISLATIVE and LEGAL ACTION TO KICK STIMULUS OUT AND BAILOUT. go see --American center for law and justice

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Short-Term and Long-Term Goals are Compatible
Posted by: Earthian on May 7, 2009 9:48 PM   
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Both KVH and Senator Feingold are in favor of single payer (government funded private healthcare, essentially improved Medicare for all) and yet are aware of the political realities of Congress and the President.

What are the political realities?

The system is geared to rich individuals and corporations and their lobbyists. The system is not democratic. It is plutocratic. And totalitarian. It always has been. When they wrote the second and current Constitution in 1787 they made the voters white male, landowners. Now we have the equivalent of that system, with our's being biased towards wealth and property, with one dollar one vote due to a privately funded election system. The people who can even run, in most cases, are only those who can raise enormous sums of money from the wealthy few. This applies to people in Congress and also to President Obama and most people in state legislatures.

In the short term, Governor Dean, KVH, and Senator Feingold, are acting as true progressives in pursuing the best we can get. That may be a public option that people swarm to, abandoning the private insurance companies. That then would become a de facto single payer system *over time*.

In the long run, the job of true progressives is to bring forth the implementation of the progressive platform. What is that? It is the Nader/Kucinich/Green Party/Congressional Progressive Caucus/State Progressive Caucuses consensus on policies. That includes single payer; stronger unions; employees on corporate boards via a federal chartering requirement, and more. And significant electoral reform with public financing; proportional representation in the Senate; IRV; a true multiparty democracy; and more . . . And it includes a foreign policy based on the fair global rule of law not the imperial global rule of force. It happens to be supported by a majority of American voters. Evidence of success would be that public policy comes to match public opinion. The government in a democracy becomes a mirror of and a microcosm of the population—like Sweden, or Ireland, or Bolivia, or Venezuela.

We can work in the short-term, tactically, *and* in the long run strategically. For that reason Dean, Feingold and KVH, and many others can be supported as legit progressives *and* we can support others with loftier ideals for the long run. There is no contradiction necessarily between short-term and long-term.

I think for the short-term, therefore, KVH's suggestion to contact people in Congress is fine. But it is insufficient (of course and necessarily) for implementing our full progressive platform. We need to pursue the entire progressive platform. That means forming or joining state progressive caucuses in the Democratic Party, *and* supporting the Green Party, *and* participating in movement-based change work, and much, much more . . . such as promoting a constitutional convention to fix the broken system by connecting the dots from currently broken system to a good but significantly flawed Constitution.

For more on fixing the Constitution see these:

Sanford Levinson: Our Undemocratic Constitution
Dan Lazare: Frozen Republic
Robert Dahl: How Democratic is the American Constitution?
Steven Hill: 10 Steps to Reparing the American Constitution and also Fixing Elections
Larry Sabato: A More Perfect Constitution
Doug Amy: Proportional Representation
Rob Richie: fairvote.org

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PRIVATE FOR PROFIT HEALTHCARE IS AN OXYMORON
Posted by: jacksmith on May 7, 2009 9:48 PM   
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Swine flu (A-H1N1) and Healthcare In America

Well my fellow Americans, and people of the World. That was yet another very close potential catastrophe. Especially for those of us that live in America with our busted, greed driven, private for profit healthcare system. What ever you do World. Don't copy our current healthcare system.

If that virus (A-H1N1) had emerged just a few months earlier our busted healthcare system in America would have collapsed. Just like our economy almost did. And hundreds of thousands more Americans, if not millions would have needlessly lost their lives. As hospital ER's became choked with the sick, and dying.

All on top of the hundreds of thousands of Americans who needlessly lose their lives in America each year from a rush to profit by the private for profit healthcare industry. Rich, middle class, and poor a like. Insured, and uninsured. Men Women, Children, and Babies.

This was yet another big WAKE-UP! call for America, and for our Government. It's time for Congress to end the debate. And stop dancing around the issues of how they can continue to try and justify protecting the private for profit healthcare industry, and the private for profit healthcare insurance industry. These industries are killing hundreds of thousands of Americans every year in America, and endangering our National security.

"the health-care system is, first and foremost, for the American people—not the companies that profit from it." (Tom Daschle | NEWSWEEK)

IT'S OVER! The Private for profit healthcare experiment in America is dead. It FAILED! And it was a DISASTER!

"NOT FOR PROFIT, TAX PAYER SUPPORTED, SINGLE PAYER, AUTOMATIC, FREE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE FOR ALL. Is the ONLY! way to go.

Essentially HR676 (enhanced, and expanded medicare for all). Just like every other CIVILIZED! country in the developed World has. There is no other way to truly fix or reform our current disastrous healthcare delivery system. NONE!

Congress, fix our healthcare crisis while you still have time.

President Obama, VP Biden, the Obama administration and the rest of his advisors, along with Speaker Pelosi and Harry Reid are doing an excellent job of protecting you. And also an excellent job of representing you and the best interest of the World. But it's time for the rest of Congress to get on board.

To those of you who keep standing up and fighting for single-payer universal healthcare for all. YOU! are Americas true HEROES! And I am proud of you. :-) Don't let up.

I will have more to say about this VERY! unusual virus (A-H1N1), and flu in general, later. There are some things you really need to know and think about... All of you.

Till then, God Bless And Keep You All

Jack Smith — Working Class

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DEMS HIDING HIDDEN COSTS OF SOC HEALTHCARE THAT MAKE IT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN PRESENT SYSTEM-PART A
Posted by: SassyFrassy on May 7, 2009 9:49 PM   
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IN SCOTLAND-462,000 PEOPLE DIED AS A RESULT OF HEALTHCARE FAILINGS

ENGLAND---the NATIONAL HEALTHCARE JUST UP AND DECIDED TO HALT KNEE AND HIP REPLACEMENTS FOR OVERWEIGHT PEOPLE.

in SOUTH AFRICA- PATIENTS DIED after his life saving surgery was RE-CLASSIFIED as 'elective' and CANCELED seven YES THAT'S RIGHT SEVEN times until it was simply to late.

in AUSTRALIA man has been on a 90 day waiting PERIOD---for over 2 years.

in Canada -cancer patients have been DENIED life saving medicines that are standard treatment in USA and covered by USA INSURANCE.

ENGLAND AGAIN---- Alheimer's patients denied $5 a day drug that provides crucial relief because it's considered TOO EXPENSIVE.

CUBA---they are FORCED to BEG tourists for common medicines like allergy and asthma inhalers and even aspirin.

EVERYWHERE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE HAS BEEN TRIED IT HAS FAILED.

The DEMS BRAND of getting around using the term SOCIALIZED MEDICINE is to dress up their BIG GOVERNMENT schemes to bamboozle public by calling it UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE OR HEALTH CARE FOR ALL to 'diguise' the fact it should be labeled as HEALTHCARE FOR NONE so the BIG GOV can pocket the funds.

NO matter how these DEMS CALL soc med it always has the same RESULTS---RATIONED HEALTHCARE, DENIAL OF ESSENTIAL MEDICAL SERVICE, WAITING LISTS, MEDIOCRE MEDICINE, AND UNNECESSARY SUFFERING AND DEATH. and for whaaat?? so gov can pocket the funds. always the bottom line.

MEANWHILE WASH DC SLUGS end up with final say over your most intimate medical decisions NOT YOU AND NOT YOUR DOCTOR.

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DEMS HIDING HIDDEN COSTS OF HEALTHCARE THAT MAKE IT MORE EXPENSEIVE THAN OUR PRESENT SYSTEM--PART B
Posted by: SassyFrassy on May 7, 2009 9:51 PM   
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Here we have the DEMS always needing a bigger shovel for the level of UTOPIAN propaganda they want to throw at the UNSUSPECTING PUBLIC.

wanna? know the latest??? Michael moore made a progpaganda film where they attempt to bamboozle the PUBLIC by claiming CUBA'S healthcare is better than the USA ....and that the USA should go to the CUBAN model for healthcare.

WANNA KNOW??? what the reality is and whaaat they are really HIDING... the reality is in CUBA people have to BEG FROM TOURISTS for allergy inhalers and aspirin. You can bet if Americans are allowed to be bamboozled into Socialist healthcare DEMS will make SURE USA is WORSE OFF than CUBA.

According to the new stimulus if your child needs antibiotics and the GOV only wants to give them Asprin or NOTHING guess whaaat they will get ASPIRIN or nothing. Soc healthcare is MORE expensive AND gives NO HEALTHCARE. We are no scholar, but you don't need to be a scholar to SEE whaaat is wrong with the DEMS scenario.

PEOPLE OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.

THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.

ALLOWING the DEMS socialize healthcare not only would prove expensive but DEADLY. Think about it?? DEMS WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY BUT DENY PUBLIC the meds and services it needs while GOV POCKETS THE CASH TO SPEND ON PORK.

TAKE A LOOK .. 50% OF BRITISH AND NEW ZEALANDS WOMEN diagnosed with breast cancer DIE. however, HERE IN USA only 1/5th breast cancer sufferers DIE FROM IT. did you know hair dye are directly linked to breast cancer??

25 % CANADIA men and 50% of british men diagnosed with prostrate cancer die from it. HERE, IN USA less than 1/5th men die from it.

BRITISH-ER'S with serious illnesses are 7 times more likely to die from them than AMERICANS with such conditions.
BRITISH-ERS are also 4 times MORE likely to DIE during major surgery than Americans.

IN most countries if you are OVER A CERTAIN AGE like 75 they will let you die.

this is what awaits America if public doesn't do what it takes NOW to seek LEGAL ACTION to kick out SOC healthcare stimulus AND BAILOUT.

SEE AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE

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DEMS.. THE PIED PIPER OF BAD DREAMS...
Posted by: SassyFrassy on May 7, 2009 9:57 PM   
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THE DEMS HOPE THE PUBLIC ISN'T AWARE TILL it's too late that this is only a tiny bit of the NIGHTMARE that awaits the public in the SOC HEALTHCARE AND STIMULUS AND BAILOUT

* $3.8 million for Old Tiger Stadium Conservancy AT Detroit;
* $1.9 million for Pleasure Beach water taxi service AT Connecticut;
* $1.8 million PIG odor and manure management research AT Ames, Iowa;
* $380,000 for a recreation and fairgrounds in Kotzebue, Alaska;
* $143,000 for the Greater New Haven Labor History Association AT Connecticut;
* $95,000 for Canton Symphony Orchestra Association AT Ohio; and
* $71,000 for Dance Theater Etcetera AT Brooklyn for their Tolerance through Arts initiative.

*250 million for NEW FURNITURE at homeland security (which homeland security probably doesn't need and doesn't want BUT is stuck with until the USA PUBLIC realizes PUBLIC must force WASH DC SLUGS to stop bailout and stimulus line by line)
MILLIONS for abortions in FOREIGN countries which the USA has no business subsidizing


* MILLIONS for a new water PARK. Even though DISNEY is shutting down some of their places because of RECESSION. however STIMULUS WANTS to throw money down drain for NEW PARK SOMEPLACE ELSE.

* HERE DEMS voted DEMS a cola of 550.22 per month WHILE deciding the PUBLIC can LIVE on 63.00 per month and HIGHER TAXES.


want to know what the ACLU thinks how 'STUPID' they view Americans. Here is what one of the Founders of the ACLU says Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but DISGUISED under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened to them.

don't believe it? here's the quote Norman THOMAS one of the Founders of the ACLU says QUOTE Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened.
What we need to investigate is how the DEMOCRATS and ACLU think that they can continue to count on Americans being as stupid as the ACLU thinks Americans are. So they can further their Soc/glob/marx/fac/comm agenda.

it is important to SEEK legislative and LEGAL means to kick out STIMULUS and BAILOUT. the momentary re-bound in market is a TEMPORARY re-inflation bubble that GEIGHTNER AND DEMS have created and WHEN it bursts it will be WORSE than the FIRST.

On another NOTE. To the present it's only one of the 1 % group of people attempting to destroy our Nation's economic systems.

WHY? It was said to a WASH DC VIP-that the reason the Socialists think they will win this time and are doing this is because ACLU and their DEMS SLUGS - they don't think American's are " smart enough" to care to let their fingers do the walking to protect their lands, their CONSTITUTION or their freedoms. The DEMS and ACLU don't think the 99% of American's will be 'smart enough" to CARE about their country, their homes, their small business enough to kick the WASH DC SLUGS out and send them packing by way of Balagovich for NOT doing what is right to protect PUBLIC freedoms and the free enterprise system (ie meaning small business/med business) and rights.

see American Ctr for LAW and Justice Familysecuritymatters.org, stoptheaclu.com AND focus on the family The Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund

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Don't Blame All Conservatives
Posted by: snax on May 8, 2009 7:39 AM   
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No, I'm not in denial, for the most part, the neo-Cons are what got us here today. What I am suggesting however is that many conservatives are finally starting to get it, but few with the power to do anything about it appear to give a dividend.

I know that people like to threaten leaving the country over this or that political issue, but this is the one issue, as we get older but remain still well shy of Medicare and Medicaid eligibility, that may push us over the edge. Seriously, Canada isn't that far away!

If we fail to get single payer pushed through before the next swing back to the GOP or worse, we will likely never see the reform that is so badly needed. And I literally don't know if we can live with that!

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Sign these petitions and get hundreds of others to sign these petitions.
Posted by: www.democratz.org on May 9, 2009 1:41 PM   
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A call to action.

If you don't like a particular TV program, you call their sponsors and tell them you will boycott them until the program either goes off the air or changes to your liking. This works similar with
political parties, politicians and their sponsors (campaign contributors).

If you have a blog please post this on your blog. I want to get at least 100,000 people to sign these petitions, the first one which you can demand single payer health care and a fix to the Medicare prescription drug benefit.

Read and sign these legislative petitions please and get hundreds of people to sign them and they will automatically go to Republican minority leaders Sen. McConnell and Rep. Boehner right away once you sign the petition.

Petition for Single payer health care.

Petition for Employee Free Choice act.

Petition for $10/hour minimum wage.

Petition for Norm Coleman to concede senate race.

Petition for Women's freedom of choice act.


Oh and I created this parody t shirt about medicare part D that uses a familiar symbol.

See it here.

Medicare Part D parody T shirt.

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England Started FREE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE When England Was Broke After World War II
Posted by: nobyjingo on May 12, 2009 2:41 PM   
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Conservatives/Moderates in government, private corporate insurance, private corporate pharmacy and private corporate media are putting out garbage about Social Security and Medicare being broke; therefore, FREE Universal Health Care isn't feasible to start for the nation's citizens, because there isn't enough money, but this is garbage. The United States can have FREE Universal Health Care the same way England did.

England was destroyed after World War II and used their FREE Universal Health System as a means to pull themselves up. England started their FREE Universal Health System when their country was down and so can the United States. England didn't wait until their country was more prosperous before initiating FREE health care for all their citizens, they just did it; set up a FREE health care system to take care of ALL their citizens health care problems, and the country became WE; instead of THEM and US, and that is exactly what the United States must do.

And, don't forget CUBA. Cuba being a small non-prosperous country prospered after they developed their FREE Health Care System that now even helps other countries.

Don't believe the PRIVATE CORPORATE GARBAGE of BIG INSURANCE and BIG PHARMACY. FREE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE would be beneficial to our country economically.

The Conservative and Moderate RIGHT must end their US & THEM problem, because as a nation, we are all WE.

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A Battle To the Death
Posted by: Triton on May 12, 2009 3:30 PM   
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Every Senator who opposes health care reform is an enemy of the American people. These renegades, who are armed and encouraged by the pharmaceutical industry have no regard for the citizens of this country. They have created a health care system which would probably not even be welcomed in New Guinea.These virulent parasites have free access to outstanding medical care and actively deny it to the undeserving poor. Their attitute is compatible with that of the French royality prior th the French revolution. They are actively engaged in a program of class based genocide in this country.
It is time to recognize that these people are committing crimes against humanity. Our failure to react to their contemptable activities and florid support of the blood sucking corporations is just another example of the fact that we have become a nation of sheep.

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