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Paranoid Authorities Wouldn't Let My Plane Fly Over U.S. Territory -- Was It Something I Wrote?
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Air France Flight 438, from Paris, was to land at Mexico City at 6 p.m. on Saturday, April 18. Five hours before landing, the captain's voice announced that U.S. authorities had prohibited the plane from flying over U.S. territory. The explanation: among the passengers aboard was a person who was not welcome in the United States for reasons of national security.
A few minutes later, the same voice told the startled passengers that the plane was heading for Fort-de-France, Martinique, because the detour the plan needed to take to reach its destination was too long and the fuel was insufficient.
The stopover in that French territory in the Caribbean would be only to refuel the plane. Exhaustion was becoming an issue among the passengers. But the central question, spoken in undertones, was the identity of the "terrorist" passenger, because if the "gringos" say it, "it must be because he must be a terrorist."
Looking at those of us sitting in the back of the plane, two passengers said no terrorist could be there because "nobody there looks like a Muslim."
Again in the air, and preparing for another four hours of travel, a man who identified himself as the copilot came to me. Trying to look discreet, he asked if I was "Mr. Calvo Ospina." I told him yes.
"The captain wants to sleep, that's why I came here," he said, and he invited me to accompany him to the back of the plane. There, he told me that I was the person "responsible" for the detour. I was astonished.
My first reaction was to ask him: "Do you think I'm a terrorist?" He said no, that's the reason I'm telling you this. He also assured me that it was strange that this was the first time it happened on an Air France plane. Shortly before we landed in Martinique, a stewardess had told me that, in her 11-year career, nothing like that had ever happened to her.
Finally, the copilot asked me not to tell anybody, including the rest of the crew. I assured him that I hadn't the slightest intention of doing so.
I returned to my seat. Perhaps through nervousness, I began to notice that the members of the crew walked by me more frequently, looking at me with curiosity.
After landing, before the plane even reached the airport building, a woman's voice asked for "Mr. Calvo Ospina" to meet with a member of the crew as soon as the plane stopped. I did so. The young man picked up a phone and called someone. After hanging up, he told me I was no longer needed and could debark. He told me he knew about my problem and wished me luck.
In an instant, on two pieces of paper I ripped from a newspaper, I wrote the telephone number of my home and gave them to two passengers with whom I had chatted, telling them I was "the problem guy." They assured me they would phone my home, but didn't -- or they couldn't read my numbers.
A few yards from the plane, at the entrance to the terminal, we were awaited by several civilians who asked for our documents. My throat was drying up, due to nerves. I submitted my passport and was allowed to enter. While I waited on line at the immigration desk, I saw several men looking for someone. They stood behind a glass partition, a few steps away from the immigration agents but at a higher level.
The line moved slowly. I was moving, without any choice, to where I felt the worst might happen. But what could I do? The scandal of a man designated as "a terrorist" by the United States could not gain me any supporters. I had to go on. Nothing weighed on my conscience; nothing weighs still.
Then I saw that the three or four men behind the glass partition had identified me. They looked at a computer screen and then at me. I feigned indifference. The man who looked like (and was) the leader, went down to the main floor to talk to the immigration agents. He pretended not to assume that I was "the culprit" but clearly he thought so. And the immigration agents looked into my eyes, unable to conceal that they knew I was the man they were waiting for.
My turn came. I greeted the man politely and he responded in like manner. He looked at the computer, wrote something and told me to wait a minute, said he needed to "verify" something in my passport. He asked me to follow him. I did. He led me to a room next to the glass-enclosed one. A uniformed agent was sitting next to the door, writing something. As soon as I put down my two valises, I told him I needed to go to the bathroom. He pointed me in its direction. I walked through two large semi dark rooms; I saw two people sleeping on the floor, on mats. The bathroom lights didn't work. I urinated without worrying if I hit the toilet seat or not. I couldn't see a thing.
I returned and sat down. I fumbled for a book, displaying tranquility, but my throat remained dry. A few minutes later, the same man who watched me from the glass enclosure returned and politely asked me to follow him. We walked into the glass-enclosed room, he sat behind a desk and asked me to sit in one of two chairs. As I did, I noticed that a man was standing behind me, to my left. A woman checked a computer and documents, paying no attention to us.
The first thing the man told me was that I shouldn't worry, that they only wanted to verify a few things. He said that "five information sources" in data bases had shown some information about me. He said they "simply" needed to make a "summary." He showed me a package that contained about 200 sheets of paper, stapled together in five booklets.
I calmed down, forgot about my dry throat and told him: "Ask whatever you want. I have nothing to hide." He repeated that it was a simple, brief matter and that I could leave later. Knowing the police, I had my doubts.
I asked him if those many sheets of paper said that I was guilty of something. The man who was standing answered that I was there at the request of U.S. authorities. He said I should know that, after Sept. 11, 2001, the Americans had stepped up their "cooperation" work.
Then I asked them: "So, am I to blame for the plane's rerouting?" They said no, they understood it had been a mere technical stopover. I told them they knew it wasn't so, that the plane's captain had told everyone that the stopover was due to a passenger. They smiled, looked at each other, and resumed the questions. They asked me for my name, date of birth, residence, etc. Nothing special, nothing that wasn't already in my documents. The seated officer kept repeating that I could leave without any problem in a few minutes. The standing officer posed the more "remarkable" questions.
"Are you a Catholic?" he asked. I answered no, but I am not a Muslim either, knowing how "dangerous" this religious belief has become to certain policemen.
"Do you know how to handle firearms?" I told him that the only time I held one I was very young; it was a shotgun and I was knocked down by the recoil. I never even went through military service, I said. In fact, I added, "my only weapon is my writing, especially to denounce the American government, whom I consider terrorist."
They looked at each other, and the seated man said something I already knew: "That weapon sometimes is worse than rifles and bombs."
They asked me why I was traveling to Nicaragua the following day, and I explained that I had to write a story for Le Monde Diplomatique. They asked me for my personal address, as well as the home phone and cell phone numbers, which I gave them without hesitation. They asked me if I had children. A girl and a boy, I answered. The standing man, who by then had sat down next to me, said calmly: "How nice that you have a boy-and-girl couple. That's nice." He sounded almost sincere.
That was basically the interrogation, which seemed more like a chat. The notes made by the seated man did not fill a page. The notes made by the other man did not fill a notepad page. It seemed to me that the latter worked for a more specialized intelligence agency. At no time did either official speak aggressively or threateningly. They were very courteous and proper.
Finally, they returned my identification papers after photocopying them. And we parted with a handshake. It was almost 2 a.m., Sunday, April 19, 2009. At 10:30 a.m. I boarded a plane for Managua without any difficulty. But I still think that it was a dream bordering on a nightmare. I still don't believe that I was "guilty of detouring an Air France 747 because of the 'fears' of U.S. authorities."
How much did it all cost? Only Air France knows. It had to pay for hotel rooms and food for at least half the passengers, who missed their connections. I witnessed the other passengers' exhaustion, especially the children, some of whom began to vomit, fearing that among them was a "terrorist." I also saw the tranquility of the crew members in my presence. Later I learned that all of them were aware of the situation, but it didn't seem to me that they believed I was guilty of a crime.
How far will the U.S. authorities' paranoia go? And why do Air France and the French authorities continue to keep silent about it all?
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Posted by: Rolomax on May 4, 2009 12:37 AM
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I can't help but wonder.. A means to an end? What are the motives?
Air France wouldn't blow a few hundred thousand dollars in fuel costs for something silly.
A hardline Right Wing U.S. Department Head of (You name it) might gain a few points against his Leader for something like this.. ?
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» the illusion---of security
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Posted by: Libsrule on May 4, 2009 1:26 AM
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There are tens of thousands of Americans who are forbidden to fly and the U.S. government refuses to allow anyone to know they are on the list NOR will they allow them to be taken off of the list.
I have a casual friend who cannot fly and after trying for two years cannot get a reason or be taken off the list despite no reason why he is on it. He doesn't write, and is a profession car photographer.That's it. Born in America, with an American wife and two kids. He's of Irish descent and she's of Italian descent.
But Homeland Security says he is not allowed to fly.
This has got to stop.
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Posted by: reinaldok on May 4, 2009 2:49 AM
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Posted by: pfgetty on May 4, 2009 3:01 AM
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Journalists have the responsibility of looking into issues with an open mind, having the curiosity to follow the stories to the end, looking for inconsistencies leading to lies and criminal behavior.
Journalists all over the world have decided that 9/11 truth is just too hot. Some don't even look at any of it because it is too scary to write about it anyway. Most, I think, realize that there are real problems with the official story, and even look a bit into the evidence that proves the 9/11 story to be a hoax, and then back off.
And so we live with what 9/11 brought us...Homeland Security insanity, illegal wars and occupation, the Patriot Act, torture and rendition, and on and on.
And we deserve it. All of it. Because we, and journalists like those on Alternet, will not take the time to look at and expose the lies of 9/11.
Journalists.........a disgusting lot these days......how can they not look into such glaring contradictions like:
1. money sent to Atta from the head of Pakistani ISI
2. so called Islamic fundamentalist hijackers that were fun loving drinking coke sniffing, whoring guys with ties to the CIA
3. a plane crash in PA with almost no parts of the plane
4. a flight path of the Pentagon crash that is proven erroneous
5. four planes never intercepted by the US military. We still have no acceptable reason. It is impossible without a standdown.
6. the collapse of three WTC buildings at free fall speed.........impossible
7. and now, a paper by Steven Jones that proves huge amounts of thermite in the dust of the collapses.
and much, much more.
Not one of these, nor any of the other impossibilities and implausibilities, are examined by the press. No journalist is honest and brave enough to put their reputation on the line and go after any of this.
And so, I am not very worried about journalists being inconvenienced by what 9/11 has brought us. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people have lost their lives, their loved ones, been maimed, lost their homes, been tortured, and imprisoned because of 9/11. These people REALLY suffer, and do so because of journalists being irresponsible.
I'm sorry but I just can't feel bad for this journalist. He deserves it. All journalists do.
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» RE: We deserve this. And journalists deserve this....for allowing the fairtale 9/11 story to live o
Posted by: rt968
» I'm sure he is a nice guy, BUT, he is not doing the job he MUST do:
Posted by: pfgetty
» If he is working on a 9/11 story, my heartfelt apologies.........
Posted by: pfgetty
» Who is to blame? WE THE PEOPLE!
Posted by: luzmejor
» I don't disagree at all with you. Ultimately, you are right.
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» RE: Who is to blame? WE THE PEOPLE!
Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: Who is to blame? WE THE PEOPLE!
Posted by: pfgetty
» The "Patriot" Act is horrendous but...
Posted by: fsuthai
» Thanks so much fsuthai.
Posted by: pfgetty
» Back again, pimping your 911 "truth" lies?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» And you are back, spamming these boards with childish name calling.
Posted by: pfgetty
» Methinks you protest too much, GuitarTraitor!
Posted by: fsuthai
» PFGetty lies, "a plane crash in PA with almost no parts of the plane"
Posted by: GuitarBill
» You're a liar.
Posted by: Alan8
» Really? I'm a liar AND a neo-con?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» And you believe every piece of evidence the government produces
Posted by: NYmediator
» Don't give me your cr*p about "doctored photos". The 911 "truth" crowd employs video fakery
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Notice that when presented with evidence of their lies, they run and won't answer your questions
Posted by: GuitarBill
» More name calling and vacuous posting
Posted by: pfgetty
» Then answer the question.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» The 118 videos I mentioned were confiscated by the government, and...
Posted by: pfgetty
» You didn't answer my question, again.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You didn't answer my question, again.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: And you believe every piece of evidence the government produces
Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: eally? I'm a liar AND a neo-con?
Posted by: Reader in Japan
» RE: eally? I'm a liar AND a neo-con?
Posted by: babs
» We are still waiting.............how is Jones' paper debunked.
Posted by: pfgetty
» If Jones' paper is "peer reviewed" why did the editor quit in protest of Jones' paper?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» To my dying day I'll never understand
Posted by: NYmediator
» I looked at both sides--911 "truth" and the available evidence
Posted by: GuitarBill
» That's not a coherent reply.
Posted by: NYmediator
» Debunk this obvious video fakery, liar.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Debunk this obvious video fakery, liar.
Posted by: tony_opmoc
» RE: Debunk this obvious video fakery, liar.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» To you dying day? What's the point? You're already brain-dead.
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» Great information, GB.
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» You're incapable of learning.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» The scientific method.........
Posted by: pfgetty
» Is the definition of insanity asking the same question over and over again and.........
Posted by: pfgetty
» Get it through your thick skull, idiot. She quit because she called Jones' paper "rubbish".
Posted by: GuitarBill
» She has worked with the French military for years......
Posted by: pfgetty
» You can't prove anything while the chain of custody is broken.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Your prediction may be right. Your reasoning wrong.
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» RE: She has worked with the French military for years......
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» RE: Is the definition of insanity asking the same question over and over again and.........
Posted by: bornxeyed
» Well, let's see your "physics", "physics boy".
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» RE: Well, let's see your "physics", "physics boy".
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» Having studied Psychology, I can Tell You that Insanity Arises From Blocking Out Suffering
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» RE: We deserve this. And journalists deserve this....for allowing the fairtale 9/11 story to live on.
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» They don't have to please me......
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» RE: They don't have to please me......
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» You are right.......it is horrible
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» RE: You are right.......it is horrible
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» You are screwed.
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» RE: You are screwed.
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» Devout evangelical christians (& most of their moderate brethern)
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» RE: Devout evangelical christians (& most of their moderate brethern)
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» RE: They don't have to please me......
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» Somehow a ragtag group living in the Afghanistan mountains..........
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» RE: They don't have to please me......
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» RE: We deserve this. And journalists deserve this....for allowing the fairtale 9/11 story to live on.
Posted by: Alan8
» There are 118 videos of people, first responders.........
Posted by: pfgetty
» Lying again about "pools of molten steel", conspiranoid?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» I guess all of these people, some in official capacity, are ying also about molten metal...
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» That proves nothing
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» RE: That proves nothing
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» How many times must I explain this to you?
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» That is complete bull. Where would you get temperatures over 800 deg F?
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» How about temperatures of 3272 deg F.?
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» Why is NIST lying here?
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» RE: Why is NIST lying here?
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» The steel would not have melted.
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» RE: The steel would not have melted.
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» Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
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» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
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» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
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» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
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» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
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» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
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» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
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» You can say anything you want about your credentials......
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» PFGetty writes, "The problem here is propaganda." You're right! And here's more proof.
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» RE: PFGetty writes, "The problem here is propaganda." You're right! And here's more proof.
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» Mistakes, my @$$
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» That's ridiculous.
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» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
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» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
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» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
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» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
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» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
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» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
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» The Krotos Challenge
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» After the fall
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» RE: After the fall
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» RE: After the fall
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» the apple and the grape
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» Regardless, it wouldn't fall at free fall speed.
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» And it didn't.
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» RE: And it didn't.
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» RE: And it didn't.
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» RE: After the fall
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» RE: After the fall
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» 911 Truth?
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» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
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» Well, that's proof positive that you don't pay attention
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» RE: Well, that's proof positive that you don't pay attention
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» Like I said, your ignorance in't my problem.
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» Thanks for that borneyed........I learned something.
Posted by: pfgetty
» The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
Posted by: brunowe
» RE: The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
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» RE: The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
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» Then where did the nano thermite come from?
Posted by: pfgetty
» What nanothermite?
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» RE: What nanothermite?
Posted by: pfgetty
» HERE IS A GOOD OVERVIEW:
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» RE: The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
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» RE: The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
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» Guitar Bill, lying again
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» Alan8 is lying.
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» RE: Alan8 is lying.
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» BS. PFGetty said "pools of molten steel"--you fool.
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» RE: BS. PFGetty said "pools of molten steel"--you fool.
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» RE: BS. PFGetty said "pools of molten steel"--you fool.
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» RE: BS. PFGetty said "pools of molten steel"--you fool.
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» RE: BS. PFGetty said "pools of molten steel"--you fool.
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» RE: BS. PFGetty said "pools of molten steel"--you fool.
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» You can't even argue on point
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» More wasted digital energy by GuitarBill
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» RE: Guitar Bill, lying again
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» RE: Guitar Bill, lying again
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» RE: Guitar Bill, lying again
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» Isn't it absolutely ludicrous?
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
Posted by: babs
» Lying about "118 responders" again, and only giving us one side of the story?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Well, go to this video and see for yourself.
Posted by: pfgetty
» I refuse to look at any video provided by "truthers", becasue you're proven liars
Posted by: GuitarBill
» The truth is like a demon for you.........like water on a witch........
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: I refuse to look at any video provided by "truthers", becasue you're proven liars
Posted by: babs
» He's using a propaganda tool.........it does not apply here
Posted by: pfgetty
» Good point. Youtube has helped. So has the scientific method.........
Posted by: pfgetty
» The scientific method? That's a laugh. What do you know about the scientific method?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Tell us, then, where the paper goes wrong.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Tell us, then, where the paper goes wrong.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Two points that negate your suspicions.
Posted by: pfgetty
» Yes, avoid the chain of custody issue at all costs.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» The research can be duplicated. There are other sources.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Two points that negate your suspicions.
Posted by: EncinoM
» It doesn't matter if it "resembles thermite"
Posted by: pfgetty
» More 911 "truth" video fakery.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Didn't you just post this? Is this all you've got?
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: More 911 "truth" video fakery.
Posted by: babs
» RE: More 911 "truth" video fakery.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: More 911 "truth" video fakery.
Posted by: Centavo
» Thanks, Centavo. Yes, I had to work at making a living yesterday.......
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» RE: More 911 "truth" video fakery.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: We deserve this. And journalists deserve this....for allowing the fairtale 9/11 story to live on.
Posted by: hilaryuk
» Supposing and Assuming about what exactly happened is a waste of time, until.......
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» RE: We deserve this. And journalists deserve this....for allowing the fairtale 9/11 story to live o
Posted by: Aquinas
» You are free to disregard and not read any of my posts........
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» RE: You are free to disregard and not read any of my posts........
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» Then it's easy: "spot my name" and stay away!
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: You are free to disregard and not read any of my posts........
Posted by: Reader in Japan
» RE: You are free to disregard and not read any of my posts........
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» Go ahead, tell me just what is so wrong with anything I've said.
Posted by: pfgetty
» You are NOT wary of both sides.
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» RE: We deserve this. And journalists deserve this....for allowing the fairtale 9/11 story to live o
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Posted by: Perry Logan on May 4, 2009 3:07 AM
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The guy will go down in history as The Worst Democrat Ever™.
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» Jerkiest post ever™
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» RE: Jerkiest post ever™
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» RE: The Worst Democrat Ever™, Hold on!
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Posted by: Frankenstein Dragon on May 4, 2009 4:34 AM
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Why do yu think they asked ole-boy here if he had children? Why do you think the spook said--'ho, that's nice.' it was a threat. They have no problem killing your children, or putting them on a blacklist and ruining thier lives.
We are all in danger. It is time to rise up! MIllions in the street will show them we cant be brutalized and made to be their slaves.
This real. Now is th time. We live unde rthe most fascist all-powerful regime ever. They killed american citizens on 911 and sent them to a ridiculous war based on lies and treason. Our fore-fathers gave us permission to rise up in times like this--this is exactly what they meant. But they couldnt have know the horrors this evil empire would be capable of.
I will not bring children into this world. It would be a very cruel thing to do. Stop work. JOin hands. Provide for yourself. rise up! It is time once again for revolution! We should not have to live in fear! Rise up! Dont kill people, just detain them, kidnap them, march in the streets and stop production, stop buying things. They need you to buy things to garner power--their whole system depends on it--they need you alive and dumb to be consumers. Rise up!
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» If he purposely avoids exposing the lies of 9/11, he deserves it.
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» RE: If he purposely avoids exposing the lies of 9/11, he deserves it.
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» RE: If he purposely avoids exposing the lies of 9/11, he deserves it.
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» RE: If he purposely avoids exposing the lies of 9/11, he deserves it.
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» serfreality: Which journalists have looked at which evidence...
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» No, don't make it sound like that..........
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» I don't even believe that YOU believe what you said.
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» RE: If he purposely avoids exposing the lies of 9/11, he deserves it.
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Posted by: Frankenstein Dragon on May 4, 2009 4:45 AM
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ANything you want to say Alternet? Joshua HOlland? Can we trust you?
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» Tell us, born brain-dead
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» Another demonstration of your inability to read, born brain-dead?
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» That is a very good question.
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» An IQ of 70 and paranoid. Not a good combination, conspiranoid.
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» I agree. You can't trust anybody in the media.
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» First of all, AlterNet doesn't have your name
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» Seriously?
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» Another idiot who has no idea how the internet works
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» Can you read?
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» Congrats! You beat GB at his own game!
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» Jesus, you're stupid.
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» Jesus - you're clueless
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» I never said anything about the NSA--liar.
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Posted by: DrBrian on May 4, 2009 5:41 AM
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It's very sad that the Bush and Obama regimes consider peace, democracy and humanitarian assistance subversive, but that's the era in which we live.
The American people duly cheered the shredding of the Constitution and revocation of the pillars of international human rights law, believing it would keep them safe from terrorism.
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» I'm sure I'm on the list too.
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» Hi pfgetty...
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» Yes, I've seen it. It is a good one though and good to post.
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» There are lists and there is main core
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» The old "main core" conspiranoid schtick.
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» Conspiranoids, paranoid delusionals, idiots, liars, crap, pimping lies...
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» But you are conspiranoids, paranoid delusionals, idiots, liars, crap, pimping lies and scumbags
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» RE: The old "main core" conspiranoid schtick.
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» Yes, you are on a list--a list of paranoid delusionals.
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» If I am on a list, it is possible you put me on it.
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» The only list you're on is my sh*t list
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» Oh, you know. Tell us all about it, Sausage maker.
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» Ignorance isn't a good basis for argument.
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» The word 'hero'
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» Has Obama Really Changed Things for the Better? Not much!
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on May 4, 2009 6:21 AM
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Now as a result of Tony Blair's insanity, it has been normal UK police practice to arrest exceeding large numbers of young people. The vast majority are not charged with any offence - but receive an official warning and have their DNA taken and it is recorded on the UK Police Database. This database is shared with the US. If you are on it - you will not gain entry to the US. You will only gain entry if you apply for a full visa and declare the detail of your arrest - and your visa application is approved. This can take several months.
So most people who have been arrested - don't go anywhere near the US. Even if you have never been arrested - and have conformed to all rules and regulations you can still be denied entry on the whim of an immigration official who might take a dislike to your physical appearence. You can be sent back on the next flight at your own expense for no reason.
However this no fly list also applies to several US senior politicians with regards to certain countries in Europe. If they end up in a country that takes the Geneva convention seriously they are liable to be arrested and put on trial for War Crimes against humanity.
Tony
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Posted by: chorton on May 4, 2009 6:45 AM
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The McCarthy terror, which crushed or isolated America's working-class left and scattered the critics of its empire building, was above all the first demonstration of the power of the new mass media - radio and TV - to control what people know and think and even what they dare to say to each other. Enforced conformity within the media community was essential to its success.
Control of information is key to their game; and controlling it in a way that is invisible to most of us in the US, or in such a way that we can dismiss it as something being done to people who "aren't like us", is essential to its effectiveness. Stories like this should be broadcast far and wide to expose their game and encourage both journalists and readers to break the news blockade.
As for Obama, this state-sponsored thought control has been going on since long before he was born and we shouldn't assume he approved it or can easily control it; but neither should we let him off the hook. He can only act to change something so entrenched and sensitive to the ruling class in response to massive pressure. As a professional organizer he understands this and has signaled it to us in many ways. So it's up to us. Demand that he put a stop to it. But draw the line at the "he's worse than Bush" talk; that only divides the people on our side of the issue.
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I can't tell if this incident was a case of harrassment (which I suspect), or just plain stupidity and paranoia; either way, though, it doesn't speak well for our government's bravery nor its common sense (especially the latter). It's the same mentality that causes the police to charge a person with assault with a deadly weapon for flicking a cigarette butt at someone. Overzealous idiots.
Just another fine example of our tax dollars at work.
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Posted by: BlueTigress on May 4, 2009 9:52 AM
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Sorry, sorry, sorry.
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Posted by: Archie1954 on May 4, 2009 11:08 AM
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Posted by: Quannah on May 4, 2009 11:10 AM
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It had the bonus effect of terrifying the other passengers, but by the co-captain coming to the back of the plane to inform the author that HE was the "security risk," it was only to serve as a "warning" that he was being surveilled, no matter where he goes. In other words, he better watch his step.
I've been pulled off line 4 of the last 5 times I've flown in this country. They always tell me it's just a random "enhanced security" screening. As I pointed out last year when I flew to Detroit, 4 out of 5 times is not random. Twice, I've had "pat downs" and who knows how well they went through my luggage, because when I opened it at the hotel, my stuff was a mess.
This is authoritarian, paranoid bullshit. Why are they focusing on innocent citizens just trying to travel? This is ridiculous. I'm sick of living in a police state.
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Posted by: justAnEgg on May 4, 2009 11:24 AM
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The Guardian, Tuesday 28 April 2009
"Krystian Zimerman, the great Polish concert pianist, is usually a man of few words. He doesn't, as a rule, talk to the audience during performances. He says little or nothing in the press between his all-too-rare concert tours - not even about his habit of travelling everywhere with his own Steinway grand piano. He rarely grants them the pleasure of an encore.
So he triggered more than the usual rumble of discomfort when he raised his voice in the closing stages of a recital at Los Angeles' Disney Hall on Sunday night and announced he would no longer perform in the United States in protest against Washington's military policies.
"Get your hands off my country," Zimerman told the stunned crowd in a denunciation of US plans to install a missile defence shield on Polish soil. Some people cheered, others yelled at him to shut up and keep playing. A few dozen walked out, some of them shouting obscenities.
"Yes," Zimerman responded with derision, "some people when they hear the word military start marching."
According to Mark Swed, the Los Angeles Times's veteran classical music critic who witnessed the incident, Zimerman hesitated before deciding to speak up. He was about to strike up the first notes of the final piece on his programme, Karol Szymanowski's Variations on a Polish Folk Theme, when he "sat silently at the piano for a moment, almost began to play, but then turned to the audience".
Swed said he delivered his tirade "in a quiet but angry voice that did not project well".
Zimerman appears to have been upset by Barack Obama's decision, announced this month, to maintain the Bush-era policy of installing a missile defence shield in Poland and the Czech Republic.
Obama insisted the shield was part of a defensive posture against Iran, not Russia, and that he intended to remove it as soon as the threat from Iran subsided. But many Poles have accused the US of wanting to mount a military occupation of their country, and fear the shield could make them a target of Russian aggression.
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Zimerman, though, has developed something of a track record - especially since the 9/11 attacks. In 2006 he announced he would not return to the United States until George Bush was out of office. The same year, at Baltimore's Shriver Hall, he prefaced his performance of Beethoven's Pathetique sonata with a denunciation of America's prison at Guantánamo Bay.
At least some of his opprobrium appears to be personal. Shortly after 9/11, his piano was confiscated by customs officials at New York's JFK airport, who thought the glue smelled funny. They subsequently destroyed the instrument.
For several years he chose to travel with just the mechanical insides of his own piano and install them - he is a master piano repairer, as well as player - inside a Steinway shell he borrowed from the company in New York. In 2006 he tried to travel with his own piano again, only to have it held up in customs for five days and disrupt his performance schedule."
It's not about idiotic, incompetent Administration, it's about intimidation and harassment of political opponents both in the USA and world-wide. "Political opponent" being anyone from anti-war movement to Green party members to artists and journalists.
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» Sweet REDNECK PARANOIA!
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Posted by: messedup on May 4, 2009 12:09 PM
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From small to large incident, this occurs all over fascist America.
The reason they are being so polite about it is so as to attract less attention, and they probably realized the watchers are being watched! If you are a true patriot, it's pretty likely that you have been profiled, watched, or are on some kind of list somewhere. Not that it's a big deal, I mean, it's still a free country, with free speech, and if the powers that be want to pull you aside and question you, they have every right to do so.
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Posted by: alicelillie on May 4, 2009 1:09 PM
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Seems it does not matter *at all* whether the administration is Democrat or Republican. Whether Bush or Obama is in the White House. This happens.
And it is this *very* thing that is the first most important reason I speak out on my blog and elsewhere.
Bad monetary policies are ruining the economy so this past winter I decided to write on that.
See http://www.alicelillieandher.blogspot.com
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Posted by: ScoobyDoobyDoo on May 4, 2009 4:38 PM
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Understandably they project themselves on those who disagrees with them: they believe anyone who opposses them will use their trademark tactics of intimidation, force, violence, sabotage, illegal wiretapping, torture, terrorism and election fraud. Got to watch these wackos closely, and even if Obama was all we wished for (which he's not), there would be plenty of wackos left in government to do everything in their power to preserve the emerging fascist Bush legacy they love so much.
Here's a good sample of why this journalist is so despised by CIA, NED, etc.: http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/14759
rEVOLUTION OF THE MIND: evolumental.com
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Posted by: Cathyc on May 4, 2009 5:13 PM
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When you have been conditioned as a child to perceive physical and/or psychological rape as "normal" human behaviour - because that is what you experienced throughout your childhood on a daily basis - it is INEVITABLE that you become a PASSIVE imbecile as an adult!
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Posted by: cmclaren on May 4, 2009 10:07 PM
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on May 5, 2009 8:45 AM
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When the audience of Colbert can be roused in under 15 seconds to a chant of 'USA! USA! USA!' you know you're not dealing with a society of free-thinkers or even deliberative thinkers...
you're dealing with zombies.
zombies with WAAAAY too many guns, the World's largest military & surveillance budgets...
with a sickening xenophobic predeliction to shriek about how everybody sucks but AmeriKKa.
should you DARE suggest anything to the contrary or give any other nation or culture the respect, human rights or Good Faith negotiations they deserve?
why you're a terrorist, right?
come on.
now you know how the REST of the World has had to live with AmeriKKKa as a whole for some time now.
Unfortunately, it had to happen to many good people before any US citizens were even willing to consider it wasn't an 'asset'
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Posted by: vsargis on May 5, 2009 12:24 PM
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It is amazing that we continue to allow our governments and our airlines to bully and harass us thus. What happened to the Obama’s promises of open borders?
What happens to all of the money that usually doubles our air fares which is collected as the various "terrorism," "security fees," taxes etc. on top of the fares? Now they are even charging for baggage, where will this end?
We get screened at the port of departure and again upon arrival, what changes in flight? Do the terrorism tools spring up from somewhere during flight and plant themselves on passengers? Not only does it waste time, it also adds to fatigue. We can’t even bring our own water; we have to get fleeced by the airport vendors to purchase the same water for ten times the price!
It is also sad that Ospina's fellow travelers could not even make the call for him to let his family know about what is going on. What gives? Have we become so suspicious of our fellow beings that we are willing to think the worst of them? What happened to the reputation of Americans as being friendly and generous people?
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Posted by: DaBear on May 5, 2009 2:07 PM
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Notice the perpetuation of the hyper-Right-Wing, 'Merkaaner stoopid craptasm posing as "national security."
Notice the rich people being bailed out while lower middlings and lowers are thrown out to the curb.
Notice the Hope-Change Dims running the show.
Notice the Repukes convulsing in their new surge of fascism and Xtian nationalist dysphoria.
Seems to me it's the rich people doing all of this shit. Begs the question, you gonna keep tolerating being shat upon? Or you gonna fight back?
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Posted by: Silly Sapper on May 9, 2009 5:13 PM
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He is FARC.
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Posted by: Rolomax on May 4, 2009 12:37 AM
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I can't help but wonder.. A means to an end? What are the motives?
Air France wouldn't blow a few hundred thousand dollars in fuel costs for something silly.
A hardline Right Wing U.S. Department Head of (You name it) might gain a few points against his Leader for something like this.. ?
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Posted by: Libsrule on May 4, 2009 1:26 AM
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There are tens of thousands of Americans who are forbidden to fly and the U.S. government refuses to allow anyone to know they are on the list NOR will they allow them to be taken off of the list.
I have a casual friend who cannot fly and after trying for two years cannot get a reason or be taken off the list despite no reason why he is on it. He doesn't write, and is a profession car photographer.That's it. Born in America, with an American wife and two kids. He's of Irish descent and she's of Italian descent.
But Homeland Security says he is not allowed to fly.
This has got to stop.
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Posted by: pfgetty on May 4, 2009 3:01 AM
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Journalists have the responsibility of looking into issues with an open mind, having the curiosity to follow the stories to the end, looking for inconsistencies leading to lies and criminal behavior.
Journalists all over the world have decided that 9/11 truth is just too hot. Some don't even look at any of it because it is too scary to write about it anyway. Most, I think, realize that there are real problems with the official story, and even look a bit into the evidence that proves the 9/11 story to be a hoax, and then back off.
And so we live with what 9/11 brought us...Homeland Security insanity, illegal wars and occupation, the Patriot Act, torture and rendition, and on and on.
And we deserve it. All of it. Because we, and journalists like those on Alternet, will not take the time to look at and expose the lies of 9/11.
Journalists.........a disgusting lot these days......how can they not look into such glaring contradictions like:
1. money sent to Atta from the head of Pakistani ISI
2. so called Islamic fundamentalist hijackers that were fun loving drinking coke sniffing, whoring guys with ties to the CIA
3. a plane crash in PA with almost no parts of the plane
4. a flight path of the Pentagon crash that is proven erroneous
5. four planes never intercepted by the US military. We still have no acceptable reason. It is impossible without a standdown.
6. the collapse of three WTC buildings at free fall speed.........impossible
7. and now, a paper by Steven Jones that proves huge amounts of thermite in the dust of the collapses.
and much, much more.
Not one of these, nor any of the other impossibilities and implausibilities, are examined by the press. No journalist is honest and brave enough to put their reputation on the line and go after any of this.
And so, I am not very worried about journalists being inconvenienced by what 9/11 has brought us. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people have lost their lives, their loved ones, been maimed, lost their homes, been tortured, and imprisoned because of 9/11. These people REALLY suffer, and do so because of journalists being irresponsible.
I'm sorry but I just can't feel bad for this journalist. He deserves it. All journalists do.
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» RE: We deserve this. And journalists deserve this....for allowing the fairtale 9/11 story to live o
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» I'm sure he is a nice guy, BUT, he is not doing the job he MUST do:
Posted by: pfgetty
» If he is working on a 9/11 story, my heartfelt apologies.........
Posted by: pfgetty
» Who is to blame? WE THE PEOPLE!
Posted by: luzmejor
» I don't disagree at all with you. Ultimately, you are right.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Who is to blame? WE THE PEOPLE!
Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: Who is to blame? WE THE PEOPLE!
Posted by: pfgetty
» The "Patriot" Act is horrendous but...
Posted by: fsuthai
» Thanks so much fsuthai.
Posted by: pfgetty
» Back again, pimping your 911 "truth" lies?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» And you are back, spamming these boards with childish name calling.
Posted by: pfgetty
» Methinks you protest too much, GuitarTraitor!
Posted by: fsuthai
» PFGetty lies, "a plane crash in PA with almost no parts of the plane"
Posted by: GuitarBill
» You're a liar.
Posted by: Alan8
» Really? I'm a liar AND a neo-con?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» And you believe every piece of evidence the government produces
Posted by: NYmediator
» Don't give me your cr*p about "doctored photos". The 911 "truth" crowd employs video fakery
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Notice that when presented with evidence of their lies, they run and won't answer your questions
Posted by: GuitarBill
» More name calling and vacuous posting
Posted by: pfgetty
» Then answer the question.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» The 118 videos I mentioned were confiscated by the government, and...
Posted by: pfgetty
» You didn't answer my question, again.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: You didn't answer my question, again.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: And you believe every piece of evidence the government produces
Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: eally? I'm a liar AND a neo-con?
Posted by: Reader in Japan
» RE: eally? I'm a liar AND a neo-con?
Posted by: babs
» We are still waiting.............how is Jones' paper debunked.
Posted by: pfgetty
» If Jones' paper is "peer reviewed" why did the editor quit in protest of Jones' paper?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» To my dying day I'll never understand
Posted by: NYmediator
» I looked at both sides--911 "truth" and the available evidence
Posted by: GuitarBill
» That's not a coherent reply.
Posted by: NYmediator
» Debunk this obvious video fakery, liar.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Debunk this obvious video fakery, liar.
Posted by: tony_opmoc
» RE: Debunk this obvious video fakery, liar.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» To you dying day? What's the point? You're already brain-dead.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Great information, GB.
Posted by: pfgetty
» You're incapable of learning.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» The scientific method.........
Posted by: pfgetty
» Is the definition of insanity asking the same question over and over again and.........
Posted by: pfgetty
» Get it through your thick skull, idiot. She quit because she called Jones' paper "rubbish".
Posted by: GuitarBill
» She has worked with the French military for years......
Posted by: pfgetty
» You can't prove anything while the chain of custody is broken.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Your prediction may be right. Your reasoning wrong.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: She has worked with the French military for years......
Posted by: Krotos
» RE: Is the definition of insanity asking the same question over and over again and.........
Posted by: bornxeyed
» Well, let's see your "physics", "physics boy".
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Well, let's see your "physics", "physics boy".
Posted by: bornxeyed
» Having studied Psychology, I can Tell You that Insanity Arises From Blocking Out Suffering
Posted by: ATH
» RE: We deserve this. And journalists deserve this....for allowing the fairtale 9/11 story to live on.
Posted by: hilaryuk
» They don't have to please me......
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» RE: They don't have to please me......
Posted by: bornxeyed
» You are right.......it is horrible
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: You are right.......it is horrible
Posted by: bornxeyed
» You are screwed.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: You are screwed.
Posted by: bornxeyed
» Devout evangelical christians (& most of their moderate brethern)
Posted by: fsuthai
» RE: Devout evangelical christians (& most of their moderate brethern)
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: They don't have to please me......
Posted by: hilaryuk
» Somehow a ragtag group living in the Afghanistan mountains..........
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: They don't have to please me......
Posted by: babs
» RE: We deserve this. And journalists deserve this....for allowing the fairtale 9/11 story to live on.
Posted by: Alan8
» There are 118 videos of people, first responders.........
Posted by: pfgetty
» Lying again about "pools of molten steel", conspiranoid?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» I guess all of these people, some in official capacity, are ying also about molten metal...
Posted by: pfgetty
» That proves nothing
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: That proves nothing
Posted by: pfgetty
» How many times must I explain this to you?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» That is complete bull. Where would you get temperatures over 800 deg F?
Posted by: pfgetty
» How about temperatures of 3272 deg F.?
Posted by: pfgetty
» Why is NIST lying here?
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Why is NIST lying here?
Posted by: Krotos
» The steel would not have melted.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: The steel would not have melted.
Posted by: Krotos
» Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» You can say anything you want about your credentials......
Posted by: pfgetty
» PFGetty writes, "The problem here is propaganda." You're right! And here's more proof.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: PFGetty writes, "The problem here is propaganda." You're right! And here's more proof.
Posted by: pfgetty
» Mistakes, my @$$
Posted by: GuitarBill
» That's ridiculous.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
Posted by: Krotos
» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
Posted by: Krotos
» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
Posted by: bornxeyed
» The Krotos Challenge
Posted by: bornxeyed
» After the fall
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: After the fall
Posted by: Krotos
» RE: After the fall
Posted by: bornxeyed
» the apple and the grape
Posted by: bornxeyed
» Regardless, it wouldn't fall at free fall speed.
Posted by: pfgetty
» And it didn't.
Posted by: Krotos
» RE: And it didn't.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: And it didn't.
Posted by: Krotos
» RE: After the fall
Posted by: Krotos
» RE: After the fall
Posted by: bornxeyed
» 911 Truth?
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
Posted by: bornxeyed
» Well, that's proof positive that you don't pay attention
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Well, that's proof positive that you don't pay attention
Posted by: bornxeyed
» Like I said, your ignorance in't my problem.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Thanks for that borneyed........I learned something.
Posted by: pfgetty
» The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
Posted by: brunowe
» RE: The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
Posted by: brunowe
» Then where did the nano thermite come from?
Posted by: pfgetty
» What nanothermite?
Posted by: brunowe
» RE: What nanothermite?
Posted by: pfgetty
» HERE IS A GOOD OVERVIEW:
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
Posted by: Krotos
» RE: The buildings did NOT fall at "free-fall speeds" @$$.
Posted by: bornxeyed
» Guitar Bill, lying again
Posted by: Alan8
» Alan8 is lying.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Alan8 is lying.
Posted by: bornxeyed
» BS. PFGetty said "pools of molten steel"--you fool.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: BS. PFGetty said "pools of molten steel"--you fool.
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: BS. PFGetty said "pools of molten steel"--you fool.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: BS. PFGetty said "pools of molten steel"--you fool.
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: BS. PFGetty said "pools of molten steel"--you fool.
Posted by: Krotos
» RE: BS. PFGetty said "pools of molten steel"--you fool.
Posted by: bornxeyed
» You can't even argue on point
Posted by: GuitarBill
» More wasted digital energy by GuitarBill
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Guitar Bill, lying again
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Guitar Bill, lying again
Posted by: Alan8
» RE: Guitar Bill, lying again
Posted by: bornxeyed
» Isn't it absolutely ludicrous?
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Lying about "controlled demolition" again, conspiranoid?
Posted by: babs
» Lying about "118 responders" again, and only giving us one side of the story?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Well, go to this video and see for yourself.
Posted by: pfgetty
» I refuse to look at any video provided by "truthers", becasue you're proven liars
Posted by: GuitarBill
» The truth is like a demon for you.........like water on a witch........
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: I refuse to look at any video provided by "truthers", becasue you're proven liars
Posted by: babs
» He's using a propaganda tool.........it does not apply here
Posted by: pfgetty
» Good point. Youtube has helped. So has the scientific method.........
Posted by: pfgetty
» The scientific method? That's a laugh. What do you know about the scientific method?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Tell us, then, where the paper goes wrong.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Tell us, then, where the paper goes wrong.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Two points that negate your suspicions.
Posted by: pfgetty
» Yes, avoid the chain of custody issue at all costs.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» The research can be duplicated. There are other sources.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Two points that negate your suspicions.
Posted by: EncinoM
» It doesn't matter if it "resembles thermite"
Posted by: pfgetty
» More 911 "truth" video fakery.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Didn't you just post this? Is this all you've got?
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: More 911 "truth" video fakery.
Posted by: babs
» RE: More 911 "truth" video fakery.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: More 911 "truth" video fakery.
Posted by: Centavo
» Thanks, Centavo. Yes, I had to work at making a living yesterday.......
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: More 911 "truth" video fakery.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: We deserve this. And journalists deserve this....for allowing the fairtale 9/11 story to live on.
Posted by: hilaryuk
» Supposing and Assuming about what exactly happened is a waste of time, until.......
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: We deserve this. And journalists deserve this....for allowing the fairtale 9/11 story to live o
Posted by: Aquinas
» You are free to disregard and not read any of my posts........
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: You are free to disregard and not read any of my posts........
Posted by: Aquinas
» Then it's easy: "spot my name" and stay away!
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: You are free to disregard and not read any of my posts........
Posted by: Reader in Japan
» RE: You are free to disregard and not read any of my posts........
Posted by: Aquinas
» Go ahead, tell me just what is so wrong with anything I've said.
Posted by: pfgetty
» You are NOT wary of both sides.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: We deserve this. And journalists deserve this....for allowing the fairtale 9/11 story to live o
Posted by: babs
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Posted by: Perry Logan on May 4, 2009 3:07 AM
Current rating: 2 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The guy will go down in history as The Worst Democrat Ever™.
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» Jerkiest post ever™
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» RE: Jerkiest post ever™
Posted by: babs
» RE: The Worst Democrat Ever™, Hold on!
Posted by: CJC
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Posted by: Frankenstein Dragon on May 4, 2009 4:34 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Why do yu think they asked ole-boy here if he had children? Why do you think the spook said--'ho, that's nice.' it was a threat. They have no problem killing your children, or putting them on a blacklist and ruining thier lives.
We are all in danger. It is time to rise up! MIllions in the street will show them we cant be brutalized and made to be their slaves.
This real. Now is th time. We live unde rthe most fascist all-powerful regime ever. They killed american citizens on 911 and sent them to a ridiculous war based on lies and treason. Our fore-fathers gave us permission to rise up in times like this--this is exactly what they meant. But they couldnt have know the horrors this evil empire would be capable of.
I will not bring children into this world. It would be a very cruel thing to do. Stop work. JOin hands. Provide for yourself. rise up! It is time once again for revolution! We should not have to live in fear! Rise up! Dont kill people, just detain them, kidnap them, march in the streets and stop production, stop buying things. They need you to buy things to garner power--their whole system depends on it--they need you alive and dumb to be consumers. Rise up!
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» If he purposely avoids exposing the lies of 9/11, he deserves it.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: If he purposely avoids exposing the lies of 9/11, he deserves it.
Posted by: surfreality
» RE: If he purposely avoids exposing the lies of 9/11, he deserves it.
Posted by: tony_opmoc
» RE: If he purposely avoids exposing the lies of 9/11, he deserves it.
Posted by: surfreality
» RE: If he purposely avoids exposing the lies of 9/11, he deserves it.
Posted by: tony_opmoc
» RE: If he purposely avoids exposing the lies of 9/11, he deserves it.
Posted by: surfreality
» serfreality: Which journalists have looked at which evidence...
Posted by: Centavo
» No, don't make it sound like that..........
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: No, don't make it sound like that..........
Posted by: surfreality
» I don't even believe that YOU believe what you said.
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: I don't even believe that YOU believe what you said.
Posted by: surfreality
» RE: If he purposely avoids exposing the lies of 9/11, he deserves it.
Posted by: sarah_1
» Maybe you are right...
Posted by: pfgetty
» I had a lot more respect...
Posted by: buffeliscious
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Posted by: Frankenstein Dragon on May 4, 2009 4:45 AM
Current rating: 2 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
ANything you want to say Alternet? Joshua HOlland? Can we trust you?
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» RE: Can we trust Alternet?
Posted by: Erin
» RE: Can we trust Alternet?
Posted by: Erin
» RE: Can we trust Alternet?
Posted by: ellie
» RE: Can we trust Alternet?
Posted by: Erin
» RE: Is Joshua Holland the Same As GuitarBill?
Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: Is Joshua Holland the Same As GuitarBill?
Posted by: surfreality
» RE: Is Joshua Holland the Same As GuitarBill?
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Is Joshua Holland the Same As GuitarBill?
Posted by: surfreality
» RE: Is Joshua Holland the Same As GuitarBill?
Posted by: bornxeyed
» Tell us, born brain-dead
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Tell us, born brain-dead
Posted by: bornxeyed
» Another demonstration of your inability to read, born brain-dead?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Another demonstration of your inability to read, born brain-dead?
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Is Joshua Holland the Same As GuitarBill?
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Is Joshua Holland the Same As GuitarBill?
Posted by: surfreality
» RE: Is Joshua Holland the Same As GuitarBill?
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Is Joshua Holland the Same As GuitarBill?
Posted by: surfreality
» RE: Is Joshua Holland the Same As GuitarBill?
Posted by: bornxeyed
» That is a very good question.
Posted by: pfgetty
» An IQ of 70 and paranoid. Not a good combination, conspiranoid.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» I agree. You can't trust anybody in the media.
Posted by: pfgetty
» First of all, AlterNet doesn't have your name
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: First of all, AlterNet doesn't have your name
Posted by: tony_opmoc
» RE: First of all, AlterNet doesn't have your name
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Seriously?
Posted by: NYmediator
» Another idiot who has no idea how the internet works
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Another idiot who has no idea how the internet works
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Another idiot who has no idea how the internet works
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Another idiot who has no idea how the internet works
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Another idiot who has no idea how the internet works
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Another idiot who has no idea how the internet works
Posted by: bornxeyed
» Can you read?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Can you read?
Posted by: bornxeyed
» Congrats! You beat GB at his own game!
Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Another idiot who has no idea how the internet works
Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: Another idiot who has no idea how the internet works
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Another idiot who has no idea how the internet works
Posted by: bornxeyed
» Jesus, you're stupid.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Jesus - you're clueless
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: First of all, AlterNet doesn't have your name
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: First of all, AlterNet doesn't have your name
Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: First of all, AlterNet doesn't have your name
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: First of all, AlterNet doesn't have your name
Posted by: bornxeyed
» I never said anything about the NSA--liar.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: FRANKENSTEIN DRAGON ... TERRORIST
Posted by: shanaza
» RE: Yeh Bring Em On!
Posted by: edgar_michel
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Posted by: DrBrian on May 4, 2009 5:41 AM
Current rating: 4 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's very sad that the Bush and Obama regimes consider peace, democracy and humanitarian assistance subversive, but that's the era in which we live.
The American people duly cheered the shredding of the Constitution and revocation of the pillars of international human rights law, believing it would keep them safe from terrorism.
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» RE: Firsthand Experience
Posted by: Erin
» I'm sure I'm on the list too.
Posted by: pfgetty
» Hi pfgetty...
Posted by: Centavo
» Yes, I've seen it. It is a good one though and good to post.
Posted by: pfgetty
» There are lists and there is main core
Posted by: NYmediator
» The old "main core" conspiranoid schtick.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Conspiranoids, paranoid delusionals, idiots, liars, crap, pimping lies...
Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» But you are conspiranoids, paranoid delusionals, idiots, liars, crap, pimping lies and scumbags
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: But you are conspiranoids, paranoid delusionals, idiots, liars, crap, pimping lies and scumbags
Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: The old "main core" conspiranoid schtick.
Posted by: babs
» Yes, you are on a list--a list of paranoid delusionals.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» If I am on a list, it is possible you put me on it.
Posted by: pfgetty
» The only list you're on is my sh*t list
Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Yes, you are on a list--a list of paranoid delusionals.
Posted by: NYmediator
» Oh, you know. Tell us all about it, Sausage maker.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Ignorance isn't a good basis for argument.
Posted by: DrBrian
» RE: I'm sure I'm on the list too.
Posted by: Aquinas
» The word 'hero'
Posted by: NYmediator
» Has Obama Really Changed Things for the Better? Not much!
Posted by: DrBrian
» RE: Has Obama Really Changed Things for the Better? Not much!
Posted by: babs
» RE: Has Obama Really Changed Things for the Better? Not much!
Posted by: DrBrian
» RE: Has Obama Really Changed Things for the Better? Not much!
Posted by: orwellturns
» God, What A Bunch of Cowards Americans Have become
Posted by: ATH
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Posted by: gsmiley on May 4, 2009 5:56 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
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» RE: Compassion Please
Posted by: luzmejor
» T'row da bums out
Posted by: BlueTigress
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on May 4, 2009 6:21 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Now as a result of Tony Blair's insanity, it has been normal UK police practice to arrest exceeding large numbers of young people. The vast majority are not charged with any offence - but receive an official warning and have their DNA taken and it is recorded on the UK Police Database. This database is shared with the US. If you are on it - you will not gain entry to the US. You will only gain entry if you apply for a full visa and declare the detail of your arrest - and your visa application is approved. This can take several months.
So most people who have been arrested - don't go anywhere near the US. Even if you have never been arrested - and have conformed to all rules and regulations you can still be denied entry on the whim of an immigration official who might take a dislike to your physical appearence. You can be sent back on the next flight at your own expense for no reason.
However this no fly list also applies to several US senior politicians with regards to certain countries in Europe. If they end up in a country that takes the Geneva convention seriously they are liable to be arrested and put on trial for War Crimes against humanity.
Tony
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» RE: Why bother with the USA??
Posted by: fearn
» People should be trying to get out of the US
Posted by: ATH
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Posted by: chorton on May 4, 2009 6:45 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The McCarthy terror, which crushed or isolated America's working-class left and scattered the critics of its empire building, was above all the first demonstration of the power of the new mass media - radio and TV - to control what people know and think and even what they dare to say to each other. Enforced conformity within the media community was essential to its success.
Control of information is key to their game; and controlling it in a way that is invisible to most of us in the US, or in such a way that we can dismiss it as something being done to people who "aren't like us", is essential to its effectiveness. Stories like this should be broadcast far and wide to expose their game and encourage both journalists and readers to break the news blockade.
As for Obama, this state-sponsored thought control has been going on since long before he was born and we shouldn't assume he approved it or can easily control it; but neither should we let him off the hook. He can only act to change something so entrenched and sensitive to the ruling class in response to massive pressure. As a professional organizer he understands this and has signaled it to us in many ways. So it's up to us. Demand that he put a stop to it. But draw the line at the "he's worse than Bush" talk; that only divides the people on our side of the issue.
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» The Internet challenges their information monopoly
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Posted by: morgan1 on May 4, 2009 6:49 AM
Current rating: 4 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
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Posted by: monkeywrench on May 4, 2009 8:56 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I can't tell if this incident was a case of harrassment (which I suspect), or just plain stupidity and paranoia; either way, though, it doesn't speak well for our government's bravery nor its common sense (especially the latter). It's the same mentality that causes the police to charge a person with assault with a deadly weapon for flicking a cigarette butt at someone. Overzealous idiots.
Just another fine example of our tax dollars at work.
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» It was neither
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» RE: Idiots ...
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Posted by: BlueTigress on May 4, 2009 9:52 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Sorry, sorry, sorry.
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Posted by: Archie1954 on May 4, 2009 11:08 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
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» RE: Imagine
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Posted by: Quannah on May 4, 2009 11:10 AM
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It had the bonus effect of terrifying the other passengers, but by the co-captain coming to the back of the plane to inform the author that HE was the "security risk," it was only to serve as a "warning" that he was being surveilled, no matter where he goes. In other words, he better watch his step.
I've been pulled off line 4 of the last 5 times I've flown in this country. They always tell me it's just a random "enhanced security" screening. As I pointed out last year when I flew to Detroit, 4 out of 5 times is not random. Twice, I've had "pat downs" and who knows how well they went through my luggage, because when I opened it at the hotel, my stuff was a mess.
This is authoritarian, paranoid bullshit. Why are they focusing on innocent citizens just trying to travel? This is ridiculous. I'm sick of living in a police state.
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Posted by: justAnEgg on May 4, 2009 11:24 AM
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The Guardian, Tuesday 28 April 2009
"Krystian Zimerman, the great Polish concert pianist, is usually a man of few words. He doesn't, as a rule, talk to the audience during performances. He says little or nothing in the press between his all-too-rare concert tours - not even about his habit of travelling everywhere with his own Steinway grand piano. He rarely grants them the pleasure of an encore.
So he triggered more than the usual rumble of discomfort when he raised his voice in the closing stages of a recital at Los Angeles' Disney Hall on Sunday night and announced he would no longer perform in the United States in protest against Washington's military policies.
"Get your hands off my country," Zimerman told the stunned crowd in a denunciation of US plans to install a missile defence shield on Polish soil. Some people cheered, others yelled at him to shut up and keep playing. A few dozen walked out, some of them shouting obscenities.
"Yes," Zimerman responded with derision, "some people when they hear the word military start marching."
According to Mark Swed, the Los Angeles Times's veteran classical music critic who witnessed the incident, Zimerman hesitated before deciding to speak up. He was about to strike up the first notes of the final piece on his programme, Karol Szymanowski's Variations on a Polish Folk Theme, when he "sat silently at the piano for a moment, almost began to play, but then turned to the audience".
Swed said he delivered his tirade "in a quiet but angry voice that did not project well".
Zimerman appears to have been upset by Barack Obama's decision, announced this month, to maintain the Bush-era policy of installing a missile defence shield in Poland and the Czech Republic.
Obama insisted the shield was part of a defensive posture against Iran, not Russia, and that he intended to remove it as soon as the threat from Iran subsided. But many Poles have accused the US of wanting to mount a military occupation of their country, and fear the shield could make them a target of Russian aggression.
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Zimerman, though, has developed something of a track record - especially since the 9/11 attacks. In 2006 he announced he would not return to the United States until George Bush was out of office. The same year, at Baltimore's Shriver Hall, he prefaced his performance of Beethoven's Pathetique sonata with a denunciation of America's prison at Guantánamo Bay.
At least some of his opprobrium appears to be personal. Shortly after 9/11, his piano was confiscated by customs officials at New York's JFK airport, who thought the glue smelled funny. They subsequently destroyed the instrument.
For several years he chose to travel with just the mechanical insides of his own piano and install them - he is a master piano repairer, as well as player - inside a Steinway shell he borrowed from the company in New York. In 2006 he tried to travel with his own piano again, only to have it held up in customs for five days and disrupt his performance schedule."
It's not about idiotic, incompetent Administration, it's about intimidation and harassment of political opponents both in the USA and world-wide. "Political opponent" being anyone from anti-war movement to Green party members to artists and journalists.
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Posted by: messedup on May 4, 2009 12:09 PM
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From small to large incident, this occurs all over fascist America.
The reason they are being so polite about it is so as to attract less attention, and they probably realized the watchers are being watched! If you are a true patriot, it's pretty likely that you have been profiled, watched, or are on some kind of list somewhere. Not that it's a big deal, I mean, it's still a free country, with free speech, and if the powers that be want to pull you aside and question you, they have every right to do so.
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Posted by: alicelillie on May 4, 2009 1:09 PM
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Seems it does not matter *at all* whether the administration is Democrat or Republican. Whether Bush or Obama is in the White House. This happens.
And it is this *very* thing that is the first most important reason I speak out on my blog and elsewhere.
Bad monetary policies are ruining the economy so this past winter I decided to write on that.
See http://www.alicelillieandher.blogspot.com
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Posted by: ScoobyDoobyDoo on May 4, 2009 4:38 PM
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Understandably they project themselves on those who disagrees with them: they believe anyone who opposses them will use their trademark tactics of intimidation, force, violence, sabotage, illegal wiretapping, torture, terrorism and election fraud. Got to watch these wackos closely, and even if Obama was all we wished for (which he's not), there would be plenty of wackos left in government to do everything in their power to preserve the emerging fascist Bush legacy they love so much.
Here's a good sample of why this journalist is so despised by CIA, NED, etc.: http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/14759
rEVOLUTION OF THE MIND: evolumental.com
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When you have been conditioned as a child to perceive physical and/or psychological rape as "normal" human behaviour - because that is what you experienced throughout your childhood on a daily basis - it is INEVITABLE that you become a PASSIVE imbecile as an adult!
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on May 5, 2009 8:45 AM
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When the audience of Colbert can be roused in under 15 seconds to a chant of 'USA! USA! USA!' you know you're not dealing with a society of free-thinkers or even deliberative thinkers...
you're dealing with zombies.
zombies with WAAAAY too many guns, the World's largest military & surveillance budgets...
with a sickening xenophobic predeliction to shriek about how everybody sucks but AmeriKKa.
should you DARE suggest anything to the contrary or give any other nation or culture the respect, human rights or Good Faith negotiations they deserve?
why you're a terrorist, right?
come on.
now you know how the REST of the World has had to live with AmeriKKKa as a whole for some time now.
Unfortunately, it had to happen to many good people before any US citizens were even willing to consider it wasn't an 'asset'
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Posted by: vsargis on May 5, 2009 12:24 PM
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It is amazing that we continue to allow our governments and our airlines to bully and harass us thus. What happened to the Obama’s promises of open borders?
What happens to all of the money that usually doubles our air fares which is collected as the various "terrorism," "security fees," taxes etc. on top of the fares? Now they are even charging for baggage, where will this end?
We get screened at the port of departure and again upon arrival, what changes in flight? Do the terrorism tools spring up from somewhere during flight and plant themselves on passengers? Not only does it waste time, it also adds to fatigue. We can’t even bring our own water; we have to get fleeced by the airport vendors to purchase the same water for ten times the price!
It is also sad that Ospina's fellow travelers could not even make the call for him to let his family know about what is going on. What gives? Have we become so suspicious of our fellow beings that we are willing to think the worst of them? What happened to the reputation of Americans as being friendly and generous people?
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Notice the perpetuation of the hyper-Right-Wing, 'Merkaaner stoopid craptasm posing as "national security."
Notice the rich people being bailed out while lower middlings and lowers are thrown out to the curb.
Notice the Hope-Change Dims running the show.
Notice the Repukes convulsing in their new surge of fascism and Xtian nationalist dysphoria.
Seems to me it's the rich people doing all of this shit. Begs the question, you gonna keep tolerating being shat upon? Or you gonna fight back?
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Posted by: Silly Sapper on May 9, 2009 5:13 PM
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He is FARC.
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