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Markos 'Kos' Moulitsas on Obama, Twittering, Fighting the Blue Dogs, and the Major Changes Coming

By Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted May 4, 2009.


The founder of the popular Daily Kos site discusses the growing power of the online netroots, and their upending of political gatekeepers.

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No one symbolizes the success of the liberal political blogosphere -- known to many as the "netroots" -- more than Markos Moulitsas, the outspoken founder and owner of Daily Kos, the popular daily blogging site, which began in May 2002 and rose to prominence during the Bush era.

The Daily Kos is part of a particular group of "A list" blogs like Fire Dog Lake, Atrios, Open Left, MyDD, Crooks and Liars and others that pioneered an aggressive and progressive approach to electoral politics, reflecting a generation of tech-savvy, promotion-conscious writers, activists and thinkers who dedicate much of their focus to getting liberal Democrats to win more campaigns.

During the Bush era, pushing back at conservatives and defeating Republicans was the centerpiece of the netroots' activities. However, in the Obama era, a good deal of their attention is now focused on conservative, so-called Blue Dog Democrats.

Markos, who was born in Chicago to a Salvadoran mother, and Greek father, grew up in El Salvador, and returned to the U.S. in 1980, according to his Wikipedia page. Markos, called Kos by most in the blog movement, has had an unusual path to activism and progressive stature, given that he served in the U.S. military from 1989 to 1992, and was formerly a Republican.

Earlier, Markos majored in journalism and political science at Northern Illinois University, and received a law degree from the Boston University School of Law in 1999. He lives in Berkeley, Calif., with his wife and two children.

Despite the lack of a predictable original path to progressive politics, there is no question about Markos' success. He has authored two books. The first, Crashing the Gate: Grassroots, Netroots, and the Rise of People-Powered Politics, was published in March 2006 with Jerome Amstrong, who is considered one of the originators of the progressive blogosphere. His second book is Taking On the System: Rules for Radical Change in a Digital Era, which he has described as referencing famed Chicago organizer Saul Alinsky, who authored the original "Rules for Radicals" in the 1960s.

The Daily Kos has more than 200,000 registered users, and many prominent politicians and elected officials have posted on the site. Markos has appeared numerous times on mainstream media shows, and was tabbed as a columnist for Newsweek, juxtaposed with Karl Rove on the conservative side for the 2008 election.

The Daily Kos has spawned a major national progressive conference, now called Netroots Nation, (which is not now run by the Daily Kos), which attracted 7 of the 8 presidential candidates in 2007 and where more than 1,000 bloggers and activists attended (the next one is in Pittsburgh, Aug 13-16).

AlterNet's Executive Editor Don Hazen sat down with Markos in the AlterNet offices in San Francisco in early April for an interview.

Don Hazen: Let's start with the big picture -- what is your take on the situation we find ourselves in? Has the netroots increased its influence in the Obama era?

Markos Moulitas: If you look at the official definition of netroots -- which is pretty much anyone who engages in politics online -- then absolutely; the netroots has had huge impact, if for no other reason than that it played an important part in Barack Obama's victory. He's sitting on an e-mail list that's 9 to 12 million strong. But it's a massive e-mail list. Twitter has obviously become the darling of the chattering class of D.C. All of the reporters are twittering, and they're being exposed to criticisms that they're not used to. So in that sense, yes.

If you want to get more particular, like blogs, that may be a different story, but I think the broader netroots -- and to me it's one big interconnected ecosystem -- has become integral. It's going to be the key way, moving forward, that people use to communicate. Especially as newspapers are dying, or going online only, and our modes of information are increasingly digital as opposed to analog.

DH: Did you expect this financial mess, and how do you expect it to affect the other issues that are important, like health care, climate change, immigration?

MM: Well, it's been happening for a while. I know during the Bush years there was a pretense that the economy was going strong. But it was clear that it was an economy that benefited an elite, but really, there was little trickle down.

So really, as far as I can remember, this entire decade, it's been tough for people I've been around. I've had the luck of having success with Daily Kos, but I've seen my social circles and my friends -- they've all struggled. So I've never been under this illusion that things were great and now suddenly, BOOM! -- they're bad.


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Unfit for children
Posted by: Perry Logan on May 4, 2009 2:47 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If you like having another neocon in the White House, be sure to thank Markos. :)

During the primaries, Kos's site was so full of misogyny, lies, and smears against Hillary Clinton, it was unfit for children.

Along with the other "progressive" blogs, it has no credibility whatsoever.

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» Once CIA, Always CIA Posted by: sunnywater
» RE: Once CIA, Always CIA Posted by: happy1984and2009
» RE: Unfit for children Posted by: techcafe
Yawn
Posted by: lproyect on May 4, 2009 6:14 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I have no ideas why a conventional Democrat with such banal ideas like Kos commands such attention.

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Putting a Leash on Blue Dogs
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 4, 2009 7:26 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Blue Dogs have got to realize that with Spectors exodus from the Repugs- they have no other Home but the Dem party.
These old School republicans jumped ship in the '80's, thought they'd taken over the Dem party during Clinton, but now find the True Dem party is more shifting back to pre Clinton era. We admire Jimmy Carters 2 state Solution to the never ending Middle East conflicts. We have revived our 'War on Poverty', and because of thei Economic meltdown- we have gained legions of new members.
Did Bill & Hill, and their DLC minions, hear the uproarious laughter (and Cheers) from Dems when Teddy burned their eyelashes by throwing the 'Torch' right past them?FYI DLC, there is NO 'Third Way' in American Democracy- only one, 'For the People and By the People'- in governance and the Market place. You can't be a Dem nor a True American if you are a watercarrier for the Corps.
However Dems ahve to be more open when it comes to these Social conservatives. As a Life long liberal Dems, I could support a 'ProLifer' as long as their definition includes all aspects of Life (beyond in utero, and that which sustains life in general) and platform included means to reduce unwanted pregnacies (education, birth control)thus reducing or eliminating the need to utilize the reporductive right of terminating a pregancy.
Additionally I could Support a Faithful who actually practices what they are meant to teach- compassion, empathy, community,acceptance, Stewardship, Reverence.
In fact I could support the NRA, If only they also expounded the inherent responsiblity required for Gun ownership. If they demanded that their members exhibit the virtues of maintaining such a right,Stricter Regulations and eligiblity to assure their use if not abused, they may find the advesion or fear would subside. The NRA does itself a Grave disservice by not holding higher standards for it's members. The Crazies and the Radicals who stockpile arsenals are far more detrimental to their cause than the left's Gun opponents.
Nor is the Left hell bent on sending Us back to the pre industrial age.We love technological advances and realize we must have industry to progress- However when the risks or ill effects out weigh the benefits, we demand something change. We believe in innovation as a means to revamp or eliminate tools which have become obsolete, ineffective or Detrimental.
Therefore logic dictates we also are proponents of the Free Market ideology.Our issue lies in the fact the market has Not been Free inregards to it's Accessiblity to all.Corps stuck in their own profittability ruts have worked diligently to not only restrict access, but derail innovation.Prime example is the Renewable resource realm- why invest in R&D when Oil, Coal and nuclear have been so profitable.It is Corps and their Stock market gamblers who have undermined the free market model, by continuing to only bet on, and offer, the 'tried & true'.
Proof that the Blue Dogs are nothing more than myopic Republicans dressed in Blue is they have failed to redefine the scope of the conversation. They continue to work within the limited boundries the Right has created. The Rhetorical dichotomy of 'Either or', when the underlying premise is false to begin with. The Blue Dogs have allowed the Neo Cons to define the Dems under a misconception.They take the Far left Fringe and help paint the entire party with one broad stroke.We are not anti Religion, We are not Pro Abortionist, We are not anti free market, we are not 'Amish' in regards to industry.
This is why old School Dems are supporting Obama's new adage 'It is a False choice'.The Choice is false because the underlying issue is not really controversial or devisive. The Deception comes when people try to make it so.

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Wow thanks you guys, I thought it was just me
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on May 4, 2009 7:32 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
His ideological support of party uber all freaks me out, it is the sign of a true believer.

If I remember correctly he was a torture supporter, so he can make all the noise he wants about being 'progressive' but it is all a flat out lie. 'Progressive' is a set of values that understands torture is not only wrong, but counter productive politically.

This political understanding is Native American, so the genocidal culture warriors who are all out to discredit and eliminate this understanding are acting with a political/religious/racial agenda of genocide that arises naturally from their own, torture-oriented culture.

People who torture also do not negotiate, keep treaties or tend to avoid warfare. It is a cultural difference. It requires understanding of the basic set of values.

What if THAT is his web traffic problem and he doesn't even know it yet? Perhaps people are dropping his site for the same reason they are abandoning newspapers. In which case his new business plan will be a disaster.

Speaking of which, on CSPAN this morning a journalism ethics professor was explaining why they all have been covering up all these crimes all along.

It would be unfair to politicians to let accusations of wrong doing get into print.

Why?

Because it would always be "out there" and thus an unfair burden to the politician.

I was so pissed at this nugget of horse shit I was screaming at the TV.

They are covering up very serious crimes by pretending they 'cover stories' and then end up just covering them up?! The whole industry acts as a gate keeper and is highly suspect.

I'm charging them with a willful act of enabling torture, terrorism and invasion of a country on false pretexts. I'd like to see somebody argue with me with facts, because the only arguments I get are all claiming I am nuts and never address my actual claims of their wrong doing.

Well, not yet. We could go on and on about the criminal and covert acts of the press. I noticed OUR interviewer didn't rock the boat either.

Is there a Mormon connection to the CIA and torture? I found this in Truthout, Torture: An Author and a Resister

From the comments,

David Brookbank (not verified)

(I am not sure how my post at 16:36 got so twisted. Could you replace it with these corrections? Thanks) Wright's reference to Bybee as a Mormon is something I find interesting. Coverage of Mitchell Jessen and Associates has referred to James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen has part of the Mormon Mafia. Mitchell Jessen is the Spokane-based company named after the two Mormon psychologists who reverse engineered SERE torture resistance training given to U.S. pilots, special forces, spies, and foreign operatives. Spokane, Washington is home to Fairchild Air Force Base (B-52s during Vietnam and K-135 refuelers during Iraq) but is also home to numerous companies associated with mercenaries and the CIA under U.S. government contracts who are up to their noses in this dirty torture business. Spokane as a community needs to ask itself at what cost it tolerates Fairchild, SERE, Mitchll Jessen and Associates, and other CIA/DOD/mercenary firms. Likewise Mormons--who have long been considered good "company" men in intelligence circles (i.e., CIA and State Department) -- need to scrutinize and challenge within their own community and religion.

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Is blogging on its way out?
Posted by: rh.bee on May 4, 2009 7:45 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
That is the question I would like to ask. Everyone is twittering. We grow tired of things. We don't like to read much, as evidenced by the death of newspapers. We like to snark more than we like to really discuss ideas. For that matter, are sites like the Koz, Alternet, Huffpost, Restate, etc. really blogs?

I do think he's right about one thing though. We need to stay involved. And we need to keep hitting the idea that we need to stop talking about creating jobs and actually do it.

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» More like on its way towards total bastardization. Posted by: LaughingModerateIndependent
» It's on its way to privatization. Posted by: Bliss Doubt
Gatekeepers
Posted by: lclark on May 4, 2009 8:37 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There are many forms of gatekeeping and ways to manage pulic debate.

- the majority of people are oppossed to illegal migrations, yet Altnet regularly publishes articles in support of open borders and amnesty claiming it as a "progressive" position.

- the majority of citizens in the U.S., as well as citizens in developing countries are against the WTO, so-called trade treaties, and "globalization", yet despite lip service our political managers keep pushing the agenda of the corportocracy.

- the majority of citizens were against the massive transfer of wealth to the crooks that defrauded us, but our political managers go ahead and burden us with the debt.

- common sense says you can't produce wealth when you stop producing goods and try to maintain a economy on services and imports, but the gatekeepers for the left and the right will say things will be corrected if we follow thier lead, which in both cases means more of the same.

- common sense says no matter what the size of the stimulus to the economy, no matter how many roads and bridges and schools you build, if the concrete and steel is imported, you'll end up with a larger trade imbalance and more government debt at the end.

- oh, and the American people will be paid back, and even profit from the money that was transferred to the financial industry....

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» RE: Gatekeepers Posted by: left_libertarian
» RE: Gatekeepers Posted by: lclark
MARKOS IS WAY AHEAD OF THE CURVE
Posted by: kunndunn on May 4, 2009 8:51 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Markos does serve a very valuable service to all of us. He, and others, set the guage on what is the middle ground. He also realizes that those who critize him are re-defining the middle ground on all extremes of the spectrum. He knows the value to those who are considered extreme as being thethe carnaries-of-the-future. I back Markos because he is still pioneering the impossible that is suddenly possible. Without Markos, and the others, we would be having an entirely different reality to debate. These young thinkers have enlarged the possibilities of "participatory democracy." Criticize him, as is your freedom to express, but know that without him, and others, we would be fighting an entirely different battle. He is strong in his committment to purity of motives, holding the power elite to new standards, and still maintaining a "sense of civility." Also, AlterNet deserves alot of credit for interviewing him in such a timely way.

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» factions of the liberal sphere Posted by: sunnywater
Kos = Goodlife
Posted by: Gegner on May 4, 2009 9:36 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Anyone familiar with Fred Saberhagen's 'Berserker' universe knows exactly what I'm talking about.

I too am smirking because so many of you have 'got his number'.

Ironically, this only makes current events that much more disturbing.

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Daily KOS - mouth piece for the centrist Dems
Posted by: DCostello2 on May 4, 2009 11:00 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I made one visit to the daily KOS and that was enough. If I wanted to read rah, rah Democrats I'd just go to the party page.

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Online news
Posted by: RobNLA on May 4, 2009 10:57 PM   
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Eventually newspapers will be a memory and people will rely on the internet and cable for their news.
And the Republican propaganda machine cannot handle the onslaught of all the bloggers and online reporting going on.
I've noticed that everytime a politician or TV reporters throws out another big lie, online bloggers are quick to point it out, cut it up and show exactly why it's a lie. Then that information filters down to the media. In quick fashion the lie is exposed as well as the liar.
I'm glad to see the online community has not rested just because Obama is in office. Like this article suggest, we need to vigiantly keep our politicians honest...or replace them..regardless of party.

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Why Are You Dumb-bells Reading Alternet?
Posted by: davidt on May 12, 2009 9:53 AM   
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Judging from the comments that I read on Alternet I struggle with a good rationale for these people reading Alternet in the first place.

Brains like yours are so out-of-touch it's truly boggles the mind.

Kos is a shill for Obama, the Neo-Cons, misogynistic, pro-torture, irrelevant, a centrist?

Did you read this interview? I wonder. Do you comprehend when you read or do you just go through the motions and then spout your dogmatic reflexes and label it a "comment"? Talk about getting personal about Kos. He's been here for about 7 years. So...think he might be doing something RIGHT for those who see him as contributing to the vital process called politics? No...couldn't be. Kos is so mesmerizing that we have been duped into interpreting him as one more tool with which to make a more-informed decision about our politics--not Satan personified.

I am going to go out on a limb here and posit that there was a candidate who was/is a Neo-Con, misogynistic, pro-torture, centrist and add another one-IMCOMPETENT. Who was that? Hillary Clinton! It's debatable who smeared who, but my money is on the Clinton's. THEY showed their true colors and it wasn't pretty. Of course, their policies funneled through the DLC were an out-and-out abandonment of the traditional Democratic "ideals". They sold US out and embraced, ushered in, perpetuated and were duplicitous about this coitus with the burgeoning "corporatocracy"!

Anyone that doesn't realize that fact is living on a another planet.

Is Obama making mistakes? Of course. Will he be able to recognize these mistakes in time? I think he will. Was HC qualified to be the first woman president of the US? Absolutely not. Was Sarah Palin? By the tenor of some of the comments made here, she definitely tickled some fancies.

That is what WE should be worried about not personal attacks toward a very bright blogger who never was pretentious enough to admit to having all of the answers but who sees his job as a citizen of this country and does his utmost to follow that path.

More power to him. At least he's doing something and not just taking potshots from the comfort of the sidelines.

Why don't you clucks get out there and try to make a difference whatever YOU design that difference to be?

David T. Gray
Claremont, NH

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Knowingly or not, he's a shill for the military-industrial complex
Posted by: jenko on May 20, 2009 8:40 AM   
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He's helped thousands, perhaps millions, feel "okay" about the military-industrial complex and their appeaser arm, the Democratic party.

It's poetically ironic that this 6-page validation of a tool of the MIC is appearing in Alternet at the same time as this brilliant piece by Chris Hedges, which includes this:

"Our permanent war economy has not been challenged by Obama and the Democratic Party. They support its destructive fury because it funds them. They validate its evil assumptions because to take them on is political suicide. They repeat the narrative of fear because it keeps us dormant. They do this because they have become weaker than the corporate forces that profit from permanent war."

We're goin' down, America. Unless more of us face the fact that the two-party system has become nothing but a tool of the military-industrial complex.

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