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Much Ado About the Flu: Is the Media Frenzy Justified?
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Scientists use various models to evaluate risk, but researchers have long understood that ordinary people don't rely on mathematical probability to assess the dangers posed by some phenomenon -- they use other kinds of rules.
For example, we're much more accepting of risks that we assume voluntarily. That's one reason why people who smoke a pack a day will go to a zoning board meeting to fight against a diesel bus yard.
People are also more accepting of risk when they have a sense of control. Driving a car is much more dangerous than riding in an airplane, but as an airplane passenger, you feel helpless. Another reason people worry more about airplane crashes than motor vehicle accidents is because the events are more noteworthy -- a whole lot of people killed all at once, instead of one or two here and there, even though the latter adds up to a lot more people over time.
Then there is the question of familiarity. Whatever you may think about the safety of nuclear power versus coal, one reason that people were so averse to nuclear power was its novelty. We have been accustomed to accepting the risks of mining and burning coal for centuries, so we don't often think about them.
Some kinds of risks come with a moral stigma, which is why people drink bourbon and think their kids are doomed if they smoke pot.
But one of the most important factors is called the social amplification of risk -- which is mostly the doing of the mass media. Plane crashes are major news stories, whereas most fatal motor vehicle crashes get only minimal attention from local media, if any. That's because plane crashes are big enough, and exciting enough, with enough stuff to say, to make for a decently titillating segment on the TV. There might even be video with flames and wreckage, and there will be plenty of grieving loved ones to parade in front of the cameras.
But there is also a random element to mass media attention. Shark attacks go on at a pretty constant (and low) rate, but every once in a while, there's a media feeding frenzy and every shark attack anywhere in the world gets the O.J. treatment. For a while everybody is afraid to go into the water, then after a while we all forget about it.
And so comes the dreaded swine flu now.
First, here's my scientist's take on it: Influenza is part of the human condition. Hundreds of thousands of Americans get the flu every year, and we've just about all had it more than once. It's a drag, but it's no big deal. You stay home for a few days then you're over it.
Now, the CDC reports variously that something on the order of 40,000 deaths in the U.S. are caused by influenza every year. That's actually debatable, on a couple of grounds. There's hardly ever any confirmation that people actually had influenza: they might have had some other viral illness.
Death statistics actually say "influenza or pneumonia," and there are more than 60,000 deaths listed in that category, and they more or less guesstimate how many were really influenza. But most of those people were old and debilitated, or their immune systems were compromised, so the cause of death listed on the death certificate is misleading.
Tragically, however, around 150 children in the U.S. die each year from complications of influenza. As with the shark attacks, occasionally the media notices one of these deaths, and there's a big freak-out for no good reason. It happens, that's all.
Once we get past perinatal deaths and deaths from congenital conditions, the leading cause of death for children in the U.S. is motor vehicle crashes (7,677 in 2003). The second leading cause? Murder (3,001). So influenza isn't exactly a major scourge of children.
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Posted by: mmckinl on May 4, 2009 1:38 AM
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The BS Bank Stress Test ...
The failure of Loan Cramdown Legislation in the Senate. Legislation that was estimated would have helped 1.75 million people stay in their homes ... Because the BANKS DIDN"T WANT IT ! It prompted Senator Durbin to remark about the Senate and Banks " THEY OWN THE PLACE! " REFERING TO BANKS !
The probable failure of credit card reform ... whereby the banks will still be able to charge usurious rates, change rates capriciously and charge exorbitant fees just to top it off ...
And everybody is on board ... Biden saying he wouldn't let his family travel and just about every school district in the country getting ready to shut down schools and perhaps their entire district!
The Swine Flu has been used to create a panic for political purposes. It has been used as a red herring to cloak the Trillions in bank subsidies, the real condition of the Wall Street Banks and the screwing of consumers, over mortgage cram downs and bank credit card fraud and greed.
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» LOL, your right, however, they never let up do they???
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» This from one of the major hysterics on this issue
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» ooops, here is another cover up story, brownnose....
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Posted by: drmanhatten on May 4, 2009 2:09 AM
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Thanks for the calm, insightful article - it's nice to know the world isn't entirely stocked with crazies.
The more worrying disease is this media-rabies, causing anchors to froth at the mouth all over the world. Perhaps instead of culling pigs we should be culling irresponsible broadcasters. (Well, firing or quarantining them, anyway - no need to kill them, they're ill and will recover. Like the majority of swine flu sufferers - just like Patient X did. We can but hope...)
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Posted by: Perry Logan on May 4, 2009 3:02 AM
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Posted by: Obijuan on May 4, 2009 4:03 AM
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As the first comment points out, first and foremost, they have effectively distracted us from the theft of our treasury which is ongoing and criminal.
It also has allowed them to distract us a bit from the torture issue, although even this issue is used to distract from the big crime: theft from the treasury.
We committed war crimes for which after WWII we prosecuted and punished. We have sent our own soldiers to jail for torture in Iraq, even though now we know they were just following orders. Either we free them, or we convict those who gave the orders. You can't have it both ways.
The dollar is being ruined, tax money looted, and America destroyed...by Wall Street. We need to wake up, ignore the distractions, and fight for our freedom.
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Posted by: drricklippin on May 4, 2009 4:16 AM
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I teach risk perception at the university level and would argue that,in addition to the media being culpable,so are the public health agencies like the World Health Organization (WHO)and our own US Centers for Disease Control(CDC). I say this because these organizations are populated by scientists who are organism oriented instead of systems(organism-host-environment)oriented. As long as they remain in this organism alone mode they will fail.
I expore this in my blog
I personally believe that Dr. Margaret Chan-head of the WHO- should be fired (or step down) because of her failure to recognize that inciting panic with resultant severe economic consequences is MUCH more dangerous that this flu strain. (or most flu strains)
Dr. Rick Lippin
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Posted by: christyStarr7 on May 4, 2009 4:37 AM
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I find that people in general seem to latch onto panic & frenzy quickly. Many are easily drawn in to crises scenarios, seems to be a large and prevalent part of our human nature.
This reminds me of the time when Moses sent out the 12 spies, to scope out the Promised Land, & 10 of 'em came back freaking out, majoring on the fearful and negative aspects only. But 2 of the men "believed not the evil report". I find this is a good alternative way of responding to 'bad news'. Right out of the gate, in most cases, don't believe the worst. Pace yourself...it does take some effort, re-thinking circumstances, but many times, circumstances can mislead. So be a jump ahead of them...
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Posted by: Zxyler on May 4, 2009 4:46 AM
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1. There was another Swine Flu epidemic in 1976. There was a vaccine which was produced in a hurry and one of the side effects was paralysis and there were 25 deaths from the vaccine.
2. At the present there are 10 deaths from swine flu according to the authorities. They are all Mexicans. Even these are not satisfactorily proven that the deaths are due to Swine Flu. Other complications are not given. All the other cases in the whole world are mild cases and they are all recovering.
3.Tamiflu has over $388 million sales in the world without a pandemic.In 2005 at the Avian Flu outbreak the US stocked 20 million doses and UK gov 14.6 million doses. The shelf life of thses are only 3 years.
4. Tamiflu is not safe. It has Nausea, Vomiting, Diarrhea, Headache, Dizziness, Fatigue, and Cough as side effects. But serious side effects are convulsions, delirium or delusions. 14 deaths has happened due to brain infections. In 2007 after some 1,800 adverse effects being reported the FDA started an investigation.
I got these from a very good article written by Dr.Mercola called "Critical Alert: The Swine Flu Pandemic – Fact or Fiction?"
Further to this I read about a US company Baxter sending the actual virus instead of the vaccine all around the world allegedly by mistake.
This is another article by Dr Mercola called "Were Tainted Vaccines a Conspiracy to Provoke a Pandemic"
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Posted by: When In Doubt on May 4, 2009 4:47 AM
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What's behind the scrim?
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Posted by: eeuropean2000 on May 4, 2009 5:31 AM
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» You said "I don't seem to recall stacks of bodies out in the streets back then."
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on May 4, 2009 5:46 AM
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Remember the Ford Pinto Rule: it doesn't matter to the corporation how many people die, so long a it doesn't affect profits. While contracting Swine Flu - or being poisoned by the latest corporate program like uranium mining here in South Texas - makes a great deal of difference to the individual who dies from it and his family, he is one in three hundred million people.
Not only the corporations, but the public in general, will be very "relieved" and happy with that statistic. Wonderful! they'll say - "the system has worked."
Indeed, it has. It is a capitalist system.
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Posted by: Beck on May 4, 2009 6:03 AM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 4, 2009 6:09 AM
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Strains of influenza A have killed millions of people the world over in a single season. Such strains will emerge again. We are only beginnning to appreciate what those strains are and the epidemiological and molecular basis for the variations in virulence. If our species exists long enough, we'll have another particularly deadly pandemic. There should be some sensible precautions, and folks ought to be aware. In a country in which vast numbers of folks questions evolution, vaccination, etc., however, the question of "what good would it do, anyway" becomes salient.
So, why the sudden manufactured crisis? Reporting on the economy makes for boring news--many Americans can't (or won't) take enough interest in their "personal" economies to balance a check book. Why would they pay attention to the so-called crisis affecting a percent or five of their fellow citizens, a handful of financial institutions, or their childrens' children productivity, via the Tax Steal? Hell, I suspect that a lot of folks want to avoid having to hear how we are endorsing our elected officials efforts to steal the productivity of our nation's children for years, to finance our excesses today. Perhaps psychologically, it's the same as fear of the credit card/mortgage/car note sitting in the mail, writ large.
Nope, the media needed something sexy, dramatic, and a bit scary. In the absence of a good old fashioned Anna Nicole Smith kerfluffle or a "what did Palin's daughter say now" story, babies wearing surical masks does the trick for low-information media consumers.
Carry on; nothing to see here. Funneling your children's future to monied interests via the Federal Government in Washington, D.C. is a pastel story in a chartreuse sea of celebrities, sneezing, and suckers.
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Posted by: drdanj on May 4, 2009 7:17 AM
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Do people really think that good public policy would do less? If so, then please find such a society and go live there. For those who appreciate efforts to assure safety in the face of uncertainty, this is a pretty good place to hang out. Does it cost money to be prepared. Yes it does. So does insurance, would you prefer to live in the face of car crash uncertainty without insurance?
We do not know what direction this thing will take. But the real risk, the danger direction is that it turn ugly. For that, we must engage in preparation, surveillance, mitigation and if need be, response. People want certainty, we do not have it.
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Posted by: PaulK on May 4, 2009 7:40 AM
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Uh, wash your hands, cough into your elbow, and promise to send sick people home with official letters of reprimand for hauling the flu into work. Also, get more sleep and take too much Vitamin C and other vegetable nutrients to keep your immune system up. Sorry, chocolate bars don't work as well.
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Posted by: Pegaleg on May 4, 2009 7:46 AM
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Posted by: Cybershaman on May 4, 2009 8:09 AM
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'Swine' flu indeed!
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Posted by: monkeywrench on May 4, 2009 8:59 AM
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» More importantly it keeps their ruling class owners in business....
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Posted by: ellie on May 4, 2009 9:01 AM
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somehow, only Mexico got hit the worst... every other country is dealing with a run of the new mill flu... so what were the variables unique only to mexico or people visiting mexico at the onset of this bug... doesn't seem that second generation of flu is as bad as first contact wave...
let's see what happens to it in the southern hemisphere first, that will tell us what to expect in the fall...
btw... isn't it amazing that each media flu scare corresponds to the expiration time for tamaflu... 36 months... odd...
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Posted by: ellensing on May 4, 2009 9:19 AM
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As the dates of these mass innoculations approached, news reports began filtering in suggesting that perhaps the virus wasn't nearly as virulent as first thought, and was rapidly waning. I remember going into a planning meeting and suggesting that we might want to re-think our current strategy in the light of new information. I was greeted with
absolute silence, and looks that ranged from blank stares to outright hostility. I realized that I'd better back off; they were so invested in these grand plans that it would take a lot more than a lowly health eduacator to change them.
Well, we went ahead with the vaccinations; it was a big success, and I received an award for my work. Shortly thereafter, the swine flu petered out; I believe there was one documented death attributed to it. A whole lot of people had adverse reactions to the vaccine, though, including paralysis and a number of deaths. It's no wonder I look at the current hysteria with a jaundiced eye.
Thanks so much to Bart Laws and other knowledgeable and sane scientists for their well thought out articles.
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Posted by: frantic1971 on May 4, 2009 9:28 AM
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All this swine flu hysteria has been is another useful tool for diverting the attention of the dumb-ass masses from the REAL problems.
Rather then worrying because some people are getting the sniffles, why isn't there an uproar about the lack of any health care coverage for 40 million in this country?
Ten percent plus unemployment? Cut wages and job insecurity for the remainder lucky to have a job? A government in the hands of a vicious predatory oligarchy?
Don't worry about it! Just worry about the heavie-weavie epidemic and the metorite wiping out all life on earth, and the eminent Rapture.
The Romans sure got it right with their Bread and Circuses.
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Posted by: improperly_sedated on May 4, 2009 9:57 AM
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There will be one, we just don't know what it will be, or when it will strike.
But where we should have public health officials educating people about the nature of contagious disease, we have media clowns and politicians selling panic. The result is that people will learn to ignore the alarms, while remaining ignorant of the real danger.
If anyone's taking bets, I'm guessing it will hit right after the first major ice shelf slide. When sea level rises abruptly, there will be hundreds of millions of refugees in all parts of the world. Hundreds of millions of people crowded into highly contagious environments and unaccustomed squalor, with malnourishment and sleep deprivation compromising their immune systems. And the overall rate of global travel will, if anything, increase. That's when we'll see billions dead.
Meanwhile, it's theater of fear playing out on the TV screen, training us to disbelieve all medical warnings. And whatever you do, keep overusing those antibiotics and antivirals. We want to make sure we've bred something truly incurable for when the shit really hits the fan.
The survivors will have a stronger immune system, but I doubt they'll be any smarter.
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Posted by: SocoLoco on May 4, 2009 10:22 AM
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Meteors, Terrorists, Swine Flu, Global Warming, Iran.
Yep, constant state of fear.
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Posted by: Freticat on May 4, 2009 7:08 PM
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With any luck, all the people I can't stand will catch it and die.
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Posted by: DaBear on May 5, 2009 12:30 PM
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The familiarity argument functions only if you look at the surface (which owning classers tend to do to excess). It's a gloss-over, so chuck that out, just another owning class author on a bender...
Then there's the flu is no big deal and "You stay home for a few days then you're over it." Indeed. If you're working class or lower that means you don't get paid for those two days and that can mean the diff between paying rent and being homeless or going hungry a few days or weeks. So for most of us it really is a big deal.
Secondly, since 1994, the only kind of flu my household has experienced is viral and every single physician says, "nothing you can do but rest and wait it out." Since these types of flu almost always last 10-15 days, it's not a small deal either.
Because rich people hold the means of production in medicine, that means poor people are almost always SOL, especially when it comes to meds that actually do anything. Current flu vaccines do next to nothing against the viral type.
The media analysis was spot-on. I'm just getting really tired of owning-class dominance over authorship of news/analysis pieces. I would prefer to hear underemployed Jack the writer's POV rather than Rich-boy the sociologist.
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Posted by: dlfg on May 5, 2009 3:32 PM
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By all estimations, the 2009 outbreak is already a pandemic. However, as the author correctly pointed out, a pandemic only means that cases have been reported in various countries around the world. It by no means suggests that this disease is going to be as severe as the 1918 virus. It is estimated that between 70 million and 100 million people died in the 1918 pandemic. So far, only 26 people have died worldwide as a result of this virus, 25 in Mexico and 1 in the United States. Compare these figures to the annual death toll caused by “regular” influenza: in the United States alone, more than 36,000 deaths occur annually as a result of influenza, and between 250,000 and 500,000 deaths occur worldwide. Clearly, the 2009 Influenza A(H1N1) virus has a long way to go to reach either of these statistics.
In my professional opinion (I am a virologist), it is unlikely that this virus reaches anywhere near the severity of the 1918 pandemic. First of all, the disease reporting is far better today than in 1918. When cases occur practically anywhere in the world, those cases are reported and everyone around the world knows about it quickly. A disease as severe as the 1918 influenza is not going to sneak up on us. This gives us time to prepare. One of the good things that has arisen from the media firestorm is that people are taking the outbreak seriously enough to go to the hospital as soon as symptoms arise. Early treatment is key to preventing the development of severe complications due to influenza infection. Furthermore, we actually know how to care for patients now, unlike in 1918. A virus would have to be extremely virulent to cause as many deaths as the 1918 flu, and this virus has thus far given no signs of being that virulent.
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Posted by: mmckinl on May 4, 2009 1:38 AM
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The BS Bank Stress Test ...
The failure of Loan Cramdown Legislation in the Senate. Legislation that was estimated would have helped 1.75 million people stay in their homes ... Because the BANKS DIDN"T WANT IT ! It prompted Senator Durbin to remark about the Senate and Banks " THEY OWN THE PLACE! " REFERING TO BANKS !
The probable failure of credit card reform ... whereby the banks will still be able to charge usurious rates, change rates capriciously and charge exorbitant fees just to top it off ...
And everybody is on board ... Biden saying he wouldn't let his family travel and just about every school district in the country getting ready to shut down schools and perhaps their entire district!
The Swine Flu has been used to create a panic for political purposes. It has been used as a red herring to cloak the Trillions in bank subsidies, the real condition of the Wall Street Banks and the screwing of consumers, over mortgage cram downs and bank credit card fraud and greed.
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» LOL, your right, however, they never let up do they???
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» This from one of the major hysterics on this issue
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» ooops, here is another cover up story, brownnose....
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» Nice try plopped it
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Posted by: drmanhatten on May 4, 2009 2:09 AM
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Thanks for the calm, insightful article - it's nice to know the world isn't entirely stocked with crazies.
The more worrying disease is this media-rabies, causing anchors to froth at the mouth all over the world. Perhaps instead of culling pigs we should be culling irresponsible broadcasters. (Well, firing or quarantining them, anyway - no need to kill them, they're ill and will recover. Like the majority of swine flu sufferers - just like Patient X did. We can but hope...)
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Posted by: Perry Logan on May 4, 2009 3:02 AM
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Posted by: Obijuan on May 4, 2009 4:03 AM
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As the first comment points out, first and foremost, they have effectively distracted us from the theft of our treasury which is ongoing and criminal.
It also has allowed them to distract us a bit from the torture issue, although even this issue is used to distract from the big crime: theft from the treasury.
We committed war crimes for which after WWII we prosecuted and punished. We have sent our own soldiers to jail for torture in Iraq, even though now we know they were just following orders. Either we free them, or we convict those who gave the orders. You can't have it both ways.
The dollar is being ruined, tax money looted, and America destroyed...by Wall Street. We need to wake up, ignore the distractions, and fight for our freedom.
obi
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Posted by: drricklippin on May 4, 2009 4:16 AM
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I teach risk perception at the university level and would argue that,in addition to the media being culpable,so are the public health agencies like the World Health Organization (WHO)and our own US Centers for Disease Control(CDC). I say this because these organizations are populated by scientists who are organism oriented instead of systems(organism-host-environment)oriented. As long as they remain in this organism alone mode they will fail.
I expore this in my blog
I personally believe that Dr. Margaret Chan-head of the WHO- should be fired (or step down) because of her failure to recognize that inciting panic with resultant severe economic consequences is MUCH more dangerous that this flu strain. (or most flu strains)
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
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Posted by: christyStarr7 on May 4, 2009 4:37 AM
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I find that people in general seem to latch onto panic & frenzy quickly. Many are easily drawn in to crises scenarios, seems to be a large and prevalent part of our human nature.
This reminds me of the time when Moses sent out the 12 spies, to scope out the Promised Land, & 10 of 'em came back freaking out, majoring on the fearful and negative aspects only. But 2 of the men "believed not the evil report". I find this is a good alternative way of responding to 'bad news'. Right out of the gate, in most cases, don't believe the worst. Pace yourself...it does take some effort, re-thinking circumstances, but many times, circumstances can mislead. So be a jump ahead of them...
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Posted by: Zxyler on May 4, 2009 4:46 AM
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1. There was another Swine Flu epidemic in 1976. There was a vaccine which was produced in a hurry and one of the side effects was paralysis and there were 25 deaths from the vaccine.
2. At the present there are 10 deaths from swine flu according to the authorities. They are all Mexicans. Even these are not satisfactorily proven that the deaths are due to Swine Flu. Other complications are not given. All the other cases in the whole world are mild cases and they are all recovering.
3.Tamiflu has over $388 million sales in the world without a pandemic.In 2005 at the Avian Flu outbreak the US stocked 20 million doses and UK gov 14.6 million doses. The shelf life of thses are only 3 years.
4. Tamiflu is not safe. It has Nausea, Vomiting, Diarrhea, Headache, Dizziness, Fatigue, and Cough as side effects. But serious side effects are convulsions, delirium or delusions. 14 deaths has happened due to brain infections. In 2007 after some 1,800 adverse effects being reported the FDA started an investigation.
I got these from a very good article written by Dr.Mercola called "Critical Alert: The Swine Flu Pandemic – Fact or Fiction?"
Further to this I read about a US company Baxter sending the actual virus instead of the vaccine all around the world allegedly by mistake.
This is another article by Dr Mercola called "Were Tainted Vaccines a Conspiracy to Provoke a Pandemic"
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Posted by: When In Doubt on May 4, 2009 4:47 AM
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What's behind the scrim?
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Posted by: eeuropean2000 on May 4, 2009 5:31 AM
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» You said "I don't seem to recall stacks of bodies out in the streets back then."
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on May 4, 2009 5:46 AM
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Remember the Ford Pinto Rule: it doesn't matter to the corporation how many people die, so long a it doesn't affect profits. While contracting Swine Flu - or being poisoned by the latest corporate program like uranium mining here in South Texas - makes a great deal of difference to the individual who dies from it and his family, he is one in three hundred million people.
Not only the corporations, but the public in general, will be very "relieved" and happy with that statistic. Wonderful! they'll say - "the system has worked."
Indeed, it has. It is a capitalist system.
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Posted by: Beck on May 4, 2009 6:03 AM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 4, 2009 6:09 AM
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Strains of influenza A have killed millions of people the world over in a single season. Such strains will emerge again. We are only beginnning to appreciate what those strains are and the epidemiological and molecular basis for the variations in virulence. If our species exists long enough, we'll have another particularly deadly pandemic. There should be some sensible precautions, and folks ought to be aware. In a country in which vast numbers of folks questions evolution, vaccination, etc., however, the question of "what good would it do, anyway" becomes salient.
So, why the sudden manufactured crisis? Reporting on the economy makes for boring news--many Americans can't (or won't) take enough interest in their "personal" economies to balance a check book. Why would they pay attention to the so-called crisis affecting a percent or five of their fellow citizens, a handful of financial institutions, or their childrens' children productivity, via the Tax Steal? Hell, I suspect that a lot of folks want to avoid having to hear how we are endorsing our elected officials efforts to steal the productivity of our nation's children for years, to finance our excesses today. Perhaps psychologically, it's the same as fear of the credit card/mortgage/car note sitting in the mail, writ large.
Nope, the media needed something sexy, dramatic, and a bit scary. In the absence of a good old fashioned Anna Nicole Smith kerfluffle or a "what did Palin's daughter say now" story, babies wearing surical masks does the trick for low-information media consumers.
Carry on; nothing to see here. Funneling your children's future to monied interests via the Federal Government in Washington, D.C. is a pastel story in a chartreuse sea of celebrities, sneezing, and suckers.
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Posted by: drdanj on May 4, 2009 7:17 AM
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Do people really think that good public policy would do less? If so, then please find such a society and go live there. For those who appreciate efforts to assure safety in the face of uncertainty, this is a pretty good place to hang out. Does it cost money to be prepared. Yes it does. So does insurance, would you prefer to live in the face of car crash uncertainty without insurance?
We do not know what direction this thing will take. But the real risk, the danger direction is that it turn ugly. For that, we must engage in preparation, surveillance, mitigation and if need be, response. People want certainty, we do not have it.
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Posted by: PaulK on May 4, 2009 7:40 AM
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Uh, wash your hands, cough into your elbow, and promise to send sick people home with official letters of reprimand for hauling the flu into work. Also, get more sleep and take too much Vitamin C and other vegetable nutrients to keep your immune system up. Sorry, chocolate bars don't work as well.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 4, 2009 7:47 AM
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Posted by: Cybershaman on May 4, 2009 8:09 AM
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'Swine' flu indeed!
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Posted by: ellie on May 4, 2009 9:01 AM
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somehow, only Mexico got hit the worst... every other country is dealing with a run of the new mill flu... so what were the variables unique only to mexico or people visiting mexico at the onset of this bug... doesn't seem that second generation of flu is as bad as first contact wave...
let's see what happens to it in the southern hemisphere first, that will tell us what to expect in the fall...
btw... isn't it amazing that each media flu scare corresponds to the expiration time for tamaflu... 36 months... odd...
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Posted by: ellensing on May 4, 2009 9:19 AM
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As the dates of these mass innoculations approached, news reports began filtering in suggesting that perhaps the virus wasn't nearly as virulent as first thought, and was rapidly waning. I remember going into a planning meeting and suggesting that we might want to re-think our current strategy in the light of new information. I was greeted with
absolute silence, and looks that ranged from blank stares to outright hostility. I realized that I'd better back off; they were so invested in these grand plans that it would take a lot more than a lowly health eduacator to change them.
Well, we went ahead with the vaccinations; it was a big success, and I received an award for my work. Shortly thereafter, the swine flu petered out; I believe there was one documented death attributed to it. A whole lot of people had adverse reactions to the vaccine, though, including paralysis and a number of deaths. It's no wonder I look at the current hysteria with a jaundiced eye.
Thanks so much to Bart Laws and other knowledgeable and sane scientists for their well thought out articles.
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Posted by: frantic1971 on May 4, 2009 9:28 AM
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All this swine flu hysteria has been is another useful tool for diverting the attention of the dumb-ass masses from the REAL problems.
Rather then worrying because some people are getting the sniffles, why isn't there an uproar about the lack of any health care coverage for 40 million in this country?
Ten percent plus unemployment? Cut wages and job insecurity for the remainder lucky to have a job? A government in the hands of a vicious predatory oligarchy?
Don't worry about it! Just worry about the heavie-weavie epidemic and the metorite wiping out all life on earth, and the eminent Rapture.
The Romans sure got it right with their Bread and Circuses.
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Posted by: improperly_sedated on May 4, 2009 9:57 AM
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There will be one, we just don't know what it will be, or when it will strike.
But where we should have public health officials educating people about the nature of contagious disease, we have media clowns and politicians selling panic. The result is that people will learn to ignore the alarms, while remaining ignorant of the real danger.
If anyone's taking bets, I'm guessing it will hit right after the first major ice shelf slide. When sea level rises abruptly, there will be hundreds of millions of refugees in all parts of the world. Hundreds of millions of people crowded into highly contagious environments and unaccustomed squalor, with malnourishment and sleep deprivation compromising their immune systems. And the overall rate of global travel will, if anything, increase. That's when we'll see billions dead.
Meanwhile, it's theater of fear playing out on the TV screen, training us to disbelieve all medical warnings. And whatever you do, keep overusing those antibiotics and antivirals. We want to make sure we've bred something truly incurable for when the shit really hits the fan.
The survivors will have a stronger immune system, but I doubt they'll be any smarter.
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Posted by: SocoLoco on May 4, 2009 10:22 AM
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Meteors, Terrorists, Swine Flu, Global Warming, Iran.
Yep, constant state of fear.
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Posted by: shoosta on May 4, 2009 10:35 AM
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Posted by: Freticat on May 4, 2009 7:08 PM
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With any luck, all the people I can't stand will catch it and die.
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Posted by: DaBear on May 5, 2009 12:30 PM
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The familiarity argument functions only if you look at the surface (which owning classers tend to do to excess). It's a gloss-over, so chuck that out, just another owning class author on a bender...
Then there's the flu is no big deal and "You stay home for a few days then you're over it." Indeed. If you're working class or lower that means you don't get paid for those two days and that can mean the diff between paying rent and being homeless or going hungry a few days or weeks. So for most of us it really is a big deal.
Secondly, since 1994, the only kind of flu my household has experienced is viral and every single physician says, "nothing you can do but rest and wait it out." Since these types of flu almost always last 10-15 days, it's not a small deal either.
Because rich people hold the means of production in medicine, that means poor people are almost always SOL, especially when it comes to meds that actually do anything. Current flu vaccines do next to nothing against the viral type.
The media analysis was spot-on. I'm just getting really tired of owning-class dominance over authorship of news/analysis pieces. I would prefer to hear underemployed Jack the writer's POV rather than Rich-boy the sociologist.
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Posted by: dlfg on May 5, 2009 3:32 PM
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By all estimations, the 2009 outbreak is already a pandemic. However, as the author correctly pointed out, a pandemic only means that cases have been reported in various countries around the world. It by no means suggests that this disease is going to be as severe as the 1918 virus. It is estimated that between 70 million and 100 million people died in the 1918 pandemic. So far, only 26 people have died worldwide as a result of this virus, 25 in Mexico and 1 in the United States. Compare these figures to the annual death toll caused by “regular” influenza: in the United States alone, more than 36,000 deaths occur annually as a result of influenza, and between 250,000 and 500,000 deaths occur worldwide. Clearly, the 2009 Influenza A(H1N1) virus has a long way to go to reach either of these statistics.
In my professional opinion (I am a virologist), it is unlikely that this virus reaches anywhere near the severity of the 1918 pandemic. First of all, the disease reporting is far better today than in 1918. When cases occur practically anywhere in the world, those cases are reported and everyone around the world knows about it quickly. A disease as severe as the 1918 influenza is not going to sneak up on us. This gives us time to prepare. One of the good things that has arisen from the media firestorm is that people are taking the outbreak seriously enough to go to the hospital as soon as symptoms arise. Early treatment is key to preventing the development of severe complications due to influenza infection. Furthermore, we actually know how to care for patients now, unlike in 1918. A virus would have to be extremely virulent to cause as many deaths as the 1918 flu, and this virus has thus far given no signs of being that virulent.
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