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Prosecute This: Torture Was Used to Try to Link Saddam with 9/11

By Marjorie Cohn, AlterNet. Posted May 1, 2009.


Obama's intent to immunize those who broke the law violates his constitutional duty to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed."

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When I testified last year before the House Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties about Bush interrogation policies, Congressman Trent Franks (R-Ariz) stated that former CIA Director Michael Hayden had confirmed that the Bush administration only waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah, and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashirit for one minute each. I told Franks that I didn’t believe that. Sure enough, one of the newly released torture memos reveals that Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times and Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times. One of Stephen Bradbury’s 2005 memos asserted that “enhanced techniques” on Zubaydah yielded the identification of Mohammed and an alleged radioactive bomb plot by Jose Padilla. But FBI supervisory special agent Ali Soufan, who interrogated Zubaydah from March to June 2002, wrote in the New York Times that Zubaydah produced that information under traditional interrogation methods, before the harsh techniques were ever used.

Why, then, the relentless waterboarding of these two men? It turns out that high Bush officials put heavy pressure on Pentagon interrogators to get Mohammed and Zubaydah to reveal a link between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 hijackers, in order to justify Bush’s illegal and unnecessary invasion of Iraq in 2003 according to the newly released report of the Senate Armed Services Committee. That link was never established.

President Obama released the four memos in response to a Freedom of Information Act request by the ACLU. They describe unimaginably brutal techniques and provide "legal" justification for clearly illegal acts of torture and cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment. In the face of monumental pressure from the CIA to keep them secret, Obama demonstrated great courage in deciding to make the grotesque memos public. At the same time, however, in an attempt to pacify the intelligence establishment, Obama said, "it is our intention to assure those who carried out their duties relying in good faith upon legal advice from the Department of Justice that they will not be subject to prosecution.

"In startlingly clinical and dispassionate terms, the authors of the newly-released torture memos describe and then rationalize why the devastating techniques the CIA sought to employ on human beings do not violate the Torture Statute (18 U.S.C. sec. 2340).

The memos justify 10 techniques, including banging heads into walls 30 times in a row, prolonged nudity, repeated slapping, dietary manipulation, and dousing with cold water as low as 41 degrees. They allow shackling in a standing position for 180 hours, sleep deprivation for 11 days, confinement of people in small dark boxes with insects for hours, and waterboarding to create the perception they are drowning. Moreover, the memos permit many of these techniques to be used in combination for a 30-day period. They find that none of these techniques constitute torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment.

Waterboarding, admittedly the most serious of the methods, is designed, according to Jay Bybee, to induce the perception of "suffocation and incipient panic, i.e. the perception of drowning." But although Bybee finds that "the use of the waterboard constitutes a threat of imminent death," he accepts the CIA's claim that it does "not anticipate that any prolonged mental harm would result from the use of the waterboard." One of Bradbury’s memos requires that a physician be on duty during waterboarding to perform a tracheotomy in case the victim doesn't recover after being returned to an upright position.

As psychologist Jeffrey Kaye points out, the CIA and the Justice Department "ignored a wealth of other published information" that indicates dissociative symptoms, changes greater than those in patients undergoing heart surgery, and drops in testosterone to castration levels after acute stress associated with techniques that the memos sanction.

The Torture Statute punishes conduct, or conspiracy to engage in conduct, specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering. "Severe mental pain or suffering" means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from either the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering, or from the threat of imminent death.


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Marjorie Cohn is a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law and president of the National Lawyers Guild. She is author of Cowboy Republic: Six Ways the Bush Gang Has Defied the Law and co-author of the new book, Rules of Disengagement: The Politics and Honor of Military Dissent. Her articles are archived at www.marjoriecohn.com.

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Writ of Mandamus
Posted by: DrBrian on May 2, 2009 12:49 AM   
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Because the Torture Convention contains an affirmative duty to prosecute, the suggestion made by someone commenting here about seeking a writ of mandamus makes a lot of sense. Get a federal judge (not Bybee!) to order Obama and Holder to proceed with prosecution.

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» RE: Writ of Mandamus Posted by: edgar_michel
» RE: Writ of Mandamus Posted by: DrBrian
Obama is building a legacy of failure ...
Posted by: mmckinl on May 2, 2009 1:34 AM   
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"Obama said that "nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past."

"He is wrong. There is more to gain from upholding the rule of law. It will make future leaders think twice before they authorize the cruel, illegal treatment of other human beings."

~~~

This is exactly right, everybody knows it ... and it is not just a question of law, but of morality.

Then there are his positions on Wall Street Banks and Spying on Americans ... Obama is capitulating to the worst elements of our political structure at the expense of America's people and our future ... it will result in a legacy of failure ... politically, socially and economically ...

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Great Work, Marjorie! NOW LINK 9/11 TO THE BUSH AND THE NEOCONS!
Posted by: pfgetty on May 2, 2009 2:02 AM   
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That's some great stuff. Bush and the Neocons doing anything they can to link Saddam and 9/11 in order to get the American people to invade Iraq. Those men are so despiccable, and you know that.

Then why is it, Marjorie Cohn, that you don't seem willing to see all the evidence, really glaring and obvious evidence, that Bush and the Neocons conspired to bring us 9/11, so that we would have a "New Pearl Harbor" as the excuse to "remake the Middle East", as they explained in their PNAC papers?
If you already know how conniving and brutal Bush/Cheyney was, and you know their goals, and I'm sure you've heard the many contradictions to the official story of 9/11, what on earth keeps you from making THOSE links?
Or do you know the reality of 9/11, but are not allowed to tell? Or is it that you just understand that presenting this material would sideline you from the media, even the alternative media like Alternet, because THEY have been pressured or threatened never to show this evidence?

Marjorie, it has been seven and a half years since 9/11, and no really adequate explanations in Alternet or any other alternative media showing the copious evidence that the official 9/11 story is a lie. Some of the evidence even PROVES that there has been a major coverup and complicity of our government. Yet you refuse, or are threatened not to, present any of this material.
You explain the links that show Bush tortured to get phoney admissions of guilt to present to America that an Iraq invasion was necessary.........you know how conniving these people are, but you have decided not to present much clearer evidence that they are lying about 9/11... big time.

How about at least looking at the latest paper by distinguished scientists Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan that proves that controlled demolition was used in the collapse of all three WTC buildings? The facts and conclusions of the paper, which has recently appeared in a peer reviewed journal, are irrefutable. But it has been COMPLETELY ignored in the press.
Would you, Marjorie, love to be the first one to break what may be the most important story of all time? It would change the world!
It would end the illegal wars and occupations and the trashing of our Constitution.
You would be the new Daniel Ellsberg!
This is the equivalent to the stain on Monica Lewinsky's dress.

But you all.........all of you journalists....don't seem to have the courage or will to do the right thing, the just thing, the thing that would finally bring justice and respect for the rule of order and truth in America.

So play your games about Bush and torture. I don't think Cheyney or Bush or Condi are very worried. They know all of it will bog down in legal issues, and also that many Americans will still feel that Bush was only acting to keep us safe from more attacks like 9/11. It is a waste of time and effort until you get to the mother of all crimes, 9/11.

Do the right thing and change the world! Please, Marjorie. Our kids and grandkids are counting on it.

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» OK here it is part one Posted by: pfgetty
» Part 2 Posted by: pfgetty
» You did nothing of the kind Posted by: brunowe
» Not at all Posted by: brunowe
» Guitar Bill, lying again Posted by: Alan8
» AMEN TO THAT! Posted by: ScoobyDoobyDoo
» You are lying again Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Do you work for Alternet?? Posted by: edgar_michel
» It isn't information Posted by: brunowe
» RE: You are lying again Posted by: Reader in Japan
» The Open Chemical Physics Journal Posted by: LeftWright
End the Federal Reserve Bankers Death Grip on America
Posted by: atomic on May 2, 2009 2:14 AM   
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It's all so much more worse than torture. Our country is gone ... has been for some time ... the idea we have in our minds of what America is does not exist any longer ... if it ever did it's been snuffed out completely. You see behind the torture, the Bush Cheney nightmare, the bank bailouts, the illegal invasions, the murder of a million people, and the class warfare is a very horrific reality.

Our country is run by a shadow elite that call the shots ... beginning with the Federal Reserve Bankers this country is in the grips of a massive criminal enterprise which is set up to keep the working class in debt and funnel power and money to the very few. They ... the ruling class that is are killing us ... our children, you and me.

Not only do they send us to wars to get killed based on lies they deny health care and push drugs on us for profit. It's a nightmare I don't think many can comprehend ... we all want to believe the dream and raise our children in the sun with the smell of fresh cut grass and water sprinklers.

We won't wake up ... people never do until many years after when it's not only too late it's history ... they know this ...

Torture is only possible because we no longer have a Republic that is grounded in the Constitution. That is our governing document and it is no longer given any regard at all. If we were the United States of America ... the Bush people would be in trial ... the Federal Reserve would not print our money and then charge us interest and we would not have invaded a country that did not attack us.

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Only 'Value' of torture was monatary
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 2, 2009 5:30 AM   
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Come on folks there were no WMD's, the genocide of the Kurds was facilititated by Anthrax sent over by US in the '80's, and considering the state of vioence still going on in Iraq- they are far less Free.
Are 4000+ American Lives Worth the Oil Contracts gained?Worth the profits made on No bid military Contracts?
Repugs are confessing constantly to what their real goals were, by using the word 'Value'. Of course torture provided 'Valueable' information- it lined the pockets of the War Profitteers and the Oil Corps.
Their agenda did not save American Lives- it sacrificed them.The Blood of every serviceperson and Iraqi civilian who was killed or maimed in Iraq is on their hands. The Repugs have proven they Value Oil, more than Life.
Virtues and Ethics have no tangible cash Value, so they disgarded them.To prove it is not what we merely 'value' that guides our country, but what virtues and ethics we revere, We must Extradict those who have brought such Steadfast standards in to question.

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» RE: That's Right, That's the Key Posted by: edgar_michel
Tell Holder: investigate Bush-era torture
Posted by: greenferret on May 2, 2009 5:56 AM   
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A new ABC poll shows that a majority of Americans favor investigating whether Bush administration officials broke the law regarding torture. An independent investigation would reaffirm the basic American principle that no one is above the law.

Join GreenChange.org in calling on Attorney General Holder to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate whether Bush administration officials violated laws prohibiting torture.

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Otto
Posted by: otto on May 2, 2009 6:04 AM   
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Great, well written article. Thanks, Marjorie!

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darkmark
Posted by: darkmark on May 2, 2009 7:31 AM   
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"It will make future leaders think twice before they authorize the cruel, illegal treatment of other human beings." and if they don't uphold the laws of this country the next criminals in office won't think even once before going further then the last criminals we had as leaders of america.

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Bush 44
Posted by: susanhathaway on May 2, 2009 8:11 AM   
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So the Bush/Cheney crime syndicate attempted to "legalize" torture, and now Obama is attempting to "legalize" the "I was just following orders" defense. Is he trying to become Bush 44?

I knew when I voted for Obama that he was not a liberal or a progressive, but it continues to surprise and disgust me every time he promises to continue one more of Dubya's illegal policies.

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» RE: Bush 44 Posted by: maxaron
» RE: Bush 44 Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
Thanks alot Obama for being a stupid coward and allowing Dubya's gang to go "scot free" !
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on May 2, 2009 8:20 AM   
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Let's replace a few dozen members of both parties in Congress with Independents and see what Obama does then. I'm sorry folks but you all refused to admit it last year that Obama had no intention of holding wrongdoers such as Dubya's gang accountable. He even showed his true colors as he played kissyface with AIPAC, Wall $treet, Rick Warren, etc ... and yet you people chose to pick between a Vietnam phoney and a community organizer phoney. A real community organizer as president would never allow Dubya's gang to go scot free. If any of you can find a surgeon who will put Obama to his pre-2005 mode, then please send him or her in to repair his mind !

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Torture and taxes
Posted by: linecrosser on May 2, 2009 8:45 AM   
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While the police couldn't do anything to Capone, that they needed to approach from a different angle, taxes. That's what torture will be to the Bush administration, we may not have any other way to get them. But we do have to get them.

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And I thought Bush was enough of an embarassment.
Posted by: CarlaWaters on May 2, 2009 9:40 AM   
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By giving the perpatrators loads of immunity, Obama has really blown it. I notice though that this is how Democrats do foreign policy. It's always a matter of playing it to the GOP out of some stupid fear of being labelled "soft on defense", "soft on crime", or whatever horse shit. This should come as no surprise. And then they wonder why the GOP always gets a high score on foreign policy.

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bush dynasty
Posted by: willymack on May 2, 2009 12:16 PM   
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The damage the bush crime family did to us may well be our undoing. There's an evil consistency in their crimes, involving dirty lies to gain their ends. They lied about the reason(s) for attacking Iraq and Afghanistan, lied about the phony connection between Saddam Huessein and Al Queda, and, lesee, what else? Oh, yeah, EVERYTHING ELSE. Prescott, george, h.w., and dumbya, an unbroken chain of as evil a bunch of cretins as ever existed, and Obama wants to look forward and let them slither away, unpunished, and quite probably smite us from the shadows? Where's the justice and HONOR in that? That's the best and fastest way to piss away all the good will of foreign nations, so impressed with Obama's polish and charm. They know a tinhorn when they see one, and that's what Obama would be if he didn't do his best to bring justice back to the justice department. We could recoup quite a bit of the money stolen from us by the bush crime family, what with them in jail and not needing it. Don't forget that, either.

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» RE: It didn't Begin With Prescott Posted by: edgar_michel
» Guilt? Posted by: robert.noll
Impeach Obama ?
Posted by: HipBone on May 2, 2009 1:01 PM   
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Perhaps there is a valid case to impeach Obama, for failing to uphold the law? There must be a relentless push to bring this aspect of American Imperialism to a stop.
Until the sacred cow called national security is allowed to operation with indiscretion there will continue to be violations of international law

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» I say YES to impeaching Obama at this point. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
Come one people. Let's leave good old Obama alone. He has a job to do.
Posted by: Ranjit Kumar on May 2, 2009 1:39 PM   
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We just have to wait patiently until 2012 and then decide whether to give him another term or vote in a Nixon/Reagan/Bush-ite Republican who will only make matters worse. Relax, be happy.

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U.S. May Revive Guantánamo Military Courts By WILLIAM GLABERSON part 1
Posted by: LaughingModerateIndependent on May 2, 2009 3:11 PM   
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The Obama administration is moving toward reviving the military commission system for prosecuting Guantánamo detainees, which was a target of critics during the Bush administration, including Mr. Obama himself.

Officials said the first public moves could come as soon as next week, perhaps in filings to military judges at the United States naval base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, outlining an administration plan to amend the Bush administration’s system to provide more legal protections for terrorism suspects.

Continuing the military commissions in any form would probably prompt sharp criticism from human rights groups as well as some of Mr. Obama’s political allies because the troubled system became an emblem of the effort to use Guantánamo to avoid the American legal system.

Officials who work on the Guantánamo issue say administration lawyers have become concerned that they would face significant obstacles to trying some terrorism suspects in federal courts. Judges might make it difficult to prosecute detainees who were subjected to brutal treatment or for prosecutors to use hearsay evidence gathered by intelligence agencies.

Obama administration officials — and Mr. Obama himself — have said in the past that they were not ruling out prosecutions in the military commission system. But senior officials have emphasized that they prefer to prosecute terrorism suspects in existing American courts. When President Obama suspended Guantánamo cases after his inauguration on Jan. 20, many participants said the military commission system appeared dead.

But in recent days a variety of officials involved in the deliberations say that after administration lawyers examined many of the cases, the mood shifted toward using military commissions to prosecute some detainees, perhaps including those charged with coordinating the Sept. 11 attacks.

“The more they look at it,” said one official, “the more commissions don’t look as bad as they did on Jan. 20.”

Several officials insisted on anonymity because the administration has directed that no one publicly discuss the deliberations.

Administration officials said Friday that some detainees would be prosecuted in federal courts and noted that Mr. Obama had always left open the possibility of using military commissions.

Still, during the presidential campaign Mr. Obama criticized the commissions, saying that “by any measure our system of trying detainees has been an enormous failure,” and declaring that as president he would “reject the Military Commissions Act.”

The military commissions, which were established specifically for trying Guantánamo detainees, have been subject to repeated delays and court challenges that argued that detainees were being denied basic rights of American law. Only two trials have been completed in the nearly eight years since the Bush administration announced that it would use military tribunals.

Any plan to adjust the military commissions would walk a tightrope of granting the suspects more rights yet stopping short of affording them the rights available to defendants in American courts. Several lawyers say the commissions are only beneficial for the government if they make it easier to win a prosecution than it would be in federal court.

The Bush administration’s commission system was criticized in part because it permitted evidence that would often be barred in federal court, like evidence obtained through coercive interrogations and hearsay.

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U.S. May Revive Guantánamo Military Courts By WILLIAM GLABERSON part 2
Posted by: LaughingModerateIndependent on May 2, 2009 3:12 PM   
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The administration is likely to make it more difficult for prosecutors to admit hearsay, while not excluding it entirely, the lawyers said. The hearsay issue is central to many Guantánamo cases because they are based on intelligence reports and detainees may never be permitted to cross-examine the sources of those reports.

Human rights groups said Friday that using any form of military commission would be seen as permitting shortcuts that would not be available in existing American courts.

Anthony D. Romero, the executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, said that Mr. Obama had pledged to return the country to the rule of law and that “continuing with the military commission system would be a retreat from that promise.”

Gabor Rona, the international legal director of Human Rights First, said military commissions would only be necessary if the administration wanted to assure convictions that might not otherwise be certain.

“The administration is making a huge mistake,” Mr. Rona said, “if they believe getting convictions through suspect methods is more valuable than letting justice take its course.”

It is not clear how many of the remaining 241 detainees are likely to be prosecuted. The four-month suspension of military commission proceedings Mr. Obama ordered is to end May 20. As a result, administration officials are considering whether to ask military judges at Guantánamo for an additional delay. In making such a request, administration lawyers might outline their proposed changes.

In recent days, senior administration officials have hinted publicly that commissions were far from dead, yet offered no specifics and their comments drew little attention. In Congressional testimony on Thursday, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said, “The commissions are still very much on the table.”

In a news conference this week, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. emphasized that if the administration did use military commissions, the rules must give detainees “a maximum amount of due process.”

But, speaking of detainees whom American officials have accused of involvement in major terrorist plots, Mr. Holder added, “It may be difficult for some of those high-value detainees to be tried in a normal federal court.”

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pivot
Posted by: remo on May 2, 2009 6:16 PM   
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everything comes back to 911. Every nuance,excuse,reason,justification,rationale, explaining:defending:authorizing:compelling the bloody extremes of the past 8 years is DIRECTLY linked to 911. Any broadcaster advisor pundit legislator commentator will say the same thing. "Its a new war". As if the past centuries of butchery that gave birth the conventions of Geneva, the rights of Habeas Corpus somehow hadn't fathomed the brutality of human.

So, if so, if 911 holds such power over the changed realities, then WE had all better make very sure we know what we are talking about.
And the reading IS NOT good.
In the past 3 weeks we have a MAJOR science study, published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal, open to peer review, proving beyond the shadow of a doubt Active Thermitic Material present in the dust cloud. A C T I V E. ready to POP thermitic material IN the dust . We have Yukihisa Fujita, a member of the Upper House of the Japanese Parliament recently publish a book titled: "Questioning 9/11 in Japans Parliament - Can Obama Change the USA?"
We haveThe 911 commission [report, long discredited] now producing evidence of 'minders' overseeing the limits of questions and actively 'intimidating witnesses'. We have the first open statement of 'inside job' PNAC conspiracy aired on public tv [Rescue Me], and further evidence of skullduggery in the death of Barry Jennings, a key witness to the lies of NIST and WTC 7 reported by Dylan Avery in the Loose change Forums.
Thats the past 3 weeks on top of the past 8 years of unanswered evidence/information streams that I know of.
And I know NOTHING.
except.
To claim moral high ground, you better BE moral high ground.

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» Is Osama dead or alive Posted by: kellysgarden
I have even more respect for Bob Barr now than when I even voted for him reluctantly.
Posted by: John More on May 3, 2009 6:25 AM   
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Finding a candidate to vote for who actually cared to save the Constitution was pretty hard out here in TX. There's a lot I didn't appreciate about Bob Barr but his respect for the Constitution wasn't so bad although I still have reservations about his vote for the Patriot Act in 2001. But since there was no Mckinney or Nader on the ballot and Mccain and Obama showed no regards for anything for the people, I picked Barr. I find Obama's contempt for the law and the Constitution despicable enough that I now think that even Bob Barr is better qualified.

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meanwhile the dncing israelis get off scot free
Posted by: brianct on May 3, 2009 3:35 PM   
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What ever happened to these guys?
dancing israelis

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» RE: Oh, they're busy... Posted by: channing
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