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What's Behind the Epidemic of Family-Killings? Could it Be Anti-Depressants?

By Martha Rosenberg, AlterNet. Posted May 1, 2009.


Economic stress is usually blamed, but a bunch of government-approved psychoactive drugs have proven homicidal and suicidal side effects.

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The late comedian Richard Pryor used to riff about a fictitious interview with a mass murderer. 

"But why did you kill [gulp] everyone in the house?" asks the reporter. 

"They was home." 

Today it wouldn't be funny. 

The occasional Susan Smith or Andrea Yates who kills her kids has given way to the weekly child, sibling, parent, grandparent, spouse and all-of-the-above killer. 

Last week in the Chicago suburb of Hoffman Estates, D'Andre Howard is accused of killing his girlfriend's sister, father and grandfather and leaving her mother in critical condition. 

The same day in Middletown, Md., Christopher Alan Wood killed his wife and three children.  A few days later in Towson, Md., William Parente killed his wife and two daughters. 

Earlier this month, Kerby Revelus killed two of his sisters in Milton, Mass., -- decapitating his younger sister in front of her birthday cake while police watched in horror. 

In Orting, Wash., James Harrison killed his five children. 

And that's just this month. 

Last month, Devan Kalathat killed his two children and three other relatives in Santa Clara, Calif., and left his wife in critical condition, where she clings to life. 

And Michael McLendon slaughtered his mother and grandparents in southeast Alabama, along with many others. 

Of course the press is quick to blame the monthly and even weekly family killings on economic stresses and lack of jobs. 

Psychologists say a bad economy can create a family annihilator like Bob Dylan's Hollis Brown, who "looked for work and money … and walked a rugged mile" and whose "children are so hungry that they don't know how to smile," until he kills his wife and five children in a mercy massacre. 

And that's before you get to the added threat of losing your wife and kids, which produces a feeling of loss of control in the killer-to-be, say psychologists. 

Some have even blamed Binghamton, N.Y., killer Jiverly Voong's spree on his poor English, and Revelus' spree on his lack of job skills after prison. 

But of course the elephant in the room is: When people lost their jobs or wives in the past, they didn't kill their entire families in a burst -- make that gun burst -- of irrational rage. Not every week. 

No, behind the deeds of Howard, Wood, Parente, Revelus, Harrison, Kalathat, McLendon, et al. -- who are always called "depressed" and "bipolar" -- are probably some health care professionals thinking, "I shouldn't have prescribed that psychoactive med," and hoping the press doesn't come around. 

Especially as California psychiatrist Christian Hageseth III goes to jail for irresponsibly prescribing Prozac to John McKay, who killed himself. 

Certainly Middletown's Wood was prescribed the violence-linked Cymbalta and Paxil, along with two other psychiatric drugs before his deeds. His suicide notes even confirm he felt he was getting worse, not better, on the medication, say police. 

Who can forget that Andrea Yates was on a double dose of Effexor when she drowned her five children in 2001? 

But Mickey Mouse gun laws help, too, and there might well be private or licensed gun sellers thinking, "I shouldn't have sold that squirrelly dude that weapon," after the recent violence. 

After all, Virginia Tech's Seung-Hui Cho, Voong and Pittsburgh's Richard Poplawski passed their background checks with flying colors and were legal gun owners by existing guns laws. Police killer Poplawski even had a conceal-and-carry permit. 

And last year's Northern Illinois University shooter, Stephen Phillip Kazmierczak, waltzed into a Champaign, Ill., gun store and bought two of his weapons, despite having been in a mental institution for a year and a receiving psychological discharge from the Army. Who do gun laws reject? 

No, behind the spate of family homicides is not just the economy, job stress and failing marriages, but a government that approved a cohort of psychoactive drugs with proven homicidal and suicidal side effects.  Blockbuster antidepressants and anti-psychotics that are kept on the market despite the blood baths they can cause so drug companies can get their patent's worth.

And it's a government that allows unlimited weapon arsenals -- including military and assault-style weapons -- in the hands of everyone, including the unbalanced on "depression" drugs, only to act surprised when another entire family -- everyone who was home -- is killed.


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Martha Rosenberg is a columnist and cartoonist who frequently writes about the impact of the pharmaceutical, food and gun industries on public health. A former medical copywriter, her work has appeared in the Boston Globe, San Francisco Chronicle, Los Angeles Times and Chicago Tribune, as well as on the BBC and in the original National Lampoon.

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While mentally ill one is responsible for one's actions
Posted by: jack alexander on May 1, 2009 12:21 AM   
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As a patient that takes anti-depressants, specifically SSRIs or Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitors I know that whatever I do on or off the drugs I am legally responsible for. You can not blame the drugs or my dog made me do it or the economy is rotten. It just doesn't work in the courts.

While SSRIs can be difficult to wean off of it can be done without killing oneself or others. There are those who propose that these drugs (there are several analogues or varieties) are dangerous, I could only agreee this could be true in the abrupt cessation of the drug. All patients who receive these drugs are warned to consult with the physician so that they can be taught to wean themselves off with the least discomfort (there is some, but nothing that would make one homicidal). It is a process that is the opposite of going on and increasing the amount of drug to be taken for the desired effect (called titration).

So, I find this article to be opportunistic and sensationalistic and a waste of the readers time and waste of server space.

Everyone is responsible for their acts whether they are mentally ill or not. Only a select few are considered psychotic and are deemed as such in courts of law as criminally insane.

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» RE: Dave Short Posted by: UnderTheSea
Been brainwashed by psychopharmaceuticals much?
Posted by: Itsthewater on May 1, 2009 2:11 AM   
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The kids who pulled that massacre in Columbine H.S. (littleton, CO.) were coming off the drugs you describe. The high school mass murder in Salem OR. had the same psycopharmaceutical dynamic in play.

It's probable that the justification of the power structures in our society—that which constitutes status and privelege—(which the kids, especially, smell bullshit from) is not treatable through making them numb to the horror by fucking with their brain chemistry.

There are methods & issues in which one could reach troubled teens,but had these been in place, we wouldn't have all this ghastly news about family shootings.

Look, SSRI's, the Adderall and Ritalin they give to kids are about managing behavior in an environment which is hostile to organic free association between individuals to form a community. The onslaught of brain synaptic conditioners can't make up for the real loss of community norms and trust. It is an illness of the soul.

What we are lacking here is not better pharmaceutical management but the will to stand together, rather than agree to be each others adversaries.

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Good combo
Posted by: Perry Logan on May 1, 2009 2:48 AM   
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Guns and drugs--almost as good a combination as guns and alcohol.

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Psychotropics explains alot
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 1, 2009 5:10 AM   
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for the last few decades more an more people have become apathetic, disengaged from participating in our democracy.Or worse yet Hysterical Shrills.Exactly what these 'meds' are supposed to 'cure'- Depression is apathy and anxiety is hyteria. Either the Docs are mixing up which is which or the Pharms are miss labeling them intentionally- because both are getting worse.
I tried a anti anxiety med- just to take the edge off- I realized I felt Nothing- No anxiety, but also no joy. When I nearly choked because my throat muscles would not contract while eating- I stopped taking them- then the real problems started. Seemed all those pent up emotions magnified.It took about 6 months to clear that shit out of my system. luckily for me I knew that since I had never had such profound depression before the meds, that it was a reaction to the withdrawl from this med that was causing it. NEVER AGAIN!!!
I joke often and ask 'What Drugs are you on' when the sociopathic Right goes off on some rant- but truly the question is Warranted. I'm not sure if those I thought were Sane were not because It was me on the Drugs, or they have just gotten a Rx for some med. Used to like Mica B- now she's a Scarbourogh kiss up. used to think Erin Burnette had a Clue- now she's a shrill for Wall Street.Is it because my mind 'Fog' has been lifted- or that their medicated induced Dissociative psychosis has set in?
There was no such thing as 'Reefer madness' but there is clearly a case for RX madness.
The natural shit is always the Best- feeling a lil' stressed- smoke a joint or eat some chocolate.

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» RE: Psychotropics explains alot Posted by: woodford54
» I Like Your Remedy Posted by: AlteredStates
Or could it be...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on May 1, 2009 5:30 AM   
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.... the kind of culture that engenders this level of mental illness in the first place?

People are so quick to blame the medications, but these people were mentally ill to begin with. The huge increases in mental illness we have seen over the last few decades don't just come from nowhere.

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» RE: Or could it be... Posted by: Mbast1
» Or it could even be........... Posted by: Cory.Goodman
» RE: Or could it be... Posted by: VZEQICVA
know someone...
Posted by: ellie on May 1, 2009 5:35 AM   
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who was on zoloft for almost 10 years... she was afraid to go off them with dire warnings from her doctor... started with a bit of 'baby blues'... her family was freaked out that she would become a mass murderer or something if she ever stopped taking zoloft, so they made sure she always had her dose before breakfast...

she weaned herself back to a half dose last summer and plans to half it again then come off this summer... her doc was amazed she was able to drop her dosage... summer because she can spend more time outside in sunlight...

she said that after a few weeks last year, she was finally past the numb, fake sun-shinny feeling, and had a 10 year pent up cry... she is not high or low emotionally and no one would have known until her family noticed the zoloft piling up...

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The System we all know and love...
Posted by: inanaturallight on May 1, 2009 6:10 AM   
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As Lennon said in "Working Class Hero", "As soon as you're born they make you feel small, by giving you no time instead of it all". For all but the richest 2% of the population this is the story of their lives, and many manage through struggling to survive, but no one is immune to knowing that we're all screwed. Some know it on its face and see it, some, as described in "The Matrix" just know something is wrong without really knowing what it is. The powers that be insist that the problem is the individual, not the system that is rigged against them at every facet, and that the magical "cure" is antidepressants. In truth these drugs are simply a tool of the ruling class to keep the masses in line and nonchalant as they serve the masters.
I'd never take them despite frequent bouts with depression, but I see the "matrix" and I know that with what is going on here on planet Earth and here in the American Empire there would be something wrong with me if I didn't find it depressing. The "cure" is far worse than the disease.

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Why Is It That I Haven't Read This Elsewhere?
Posted by: Carol Burns on May 1, 2009 6:19 AM   
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This is certainly no surprise, but has this information been suppressed in the mainstream media? It's almost a given lately that the latest innovative drug on the market will turn out to have harmful (often fatal) side effects down the road, so the scenario is often: first to market, including ads aimed directly at the public, then, uhoh, side effects are killing people or giving them chronic illness, then, class action lawsuits as the drug is withdrawn from the market, after having sold enough to live out its patent life, making money not only for big pharma, doctors, but lawyers as well. As for Ritalin, etc., we certainly wouldn't want any independent thinkers in our perfectly orderly classrooms, would we? This mainstreaming of psychoactive drugs, including those d*** commercials, is straight out of Huxley's BRAVE NEW WORLD (..order...?)

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Symptoms of the larger issue........
Posted by: Spiritgirl on May 1, 2009 6:33 AM   
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While the use of these psychotropic is a major problem, there are several issues that have contributed to there use.

(1) Over the last 30 years, people in America have become more divided and isolated. We have allowed ourselves to become cut-off from each other, whether you want to blame the "culture wars" of divisive politics, or because people are moving further away from "family", the social nets have broken down.

(2) People don't realize that when politicians talk about "smaller government" once again that ruse is because essentially they are cutting the funding of the very agencies that were set up to protect consumers, and those "political appointees" which have been ensconced are very much against the real mission of the agencies and choose to ignore and block all attempts of the workers to effectively do the job of helping the consumers!

(3) Those buzz words like " rugged individualism", "freedom", "your rights, my rights", etc., have allowed us to alienate ourselves, and along with a failing social network - when you throw into the mix the economic fiasco people start to feel hopeless and have no where to turn to, so they kill themselves and their family!

Maybe we all need to step back, take a breath, and re-introduce ourselves to those deep and meaningful connections with our family and friends that we all need to hold onto especially now. We are our brothers/sisters keepers, we've just allowed ourselves to forget that to our own detriment.

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Drugs are for profits not cures.
Posted by: nismx on May 1, 2009 6:44 AM   
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Right out of the womb children are given their first shot of poison within 24 hours which reeks havoc on their immune system. By the time they enter school they are injected with over 100 antigens. Then the brainwashing box tells parents they need more drugs to counter all the sickness they have because their immune system is shot. Their bodies and brains are like a chemical puzzle out of control. But don't worry there's more drugs you can buy for anything that comes along. A body would have to be superhuman not to be affected by all the Shi#% we put
in our kids from birth.The top 10 drug companies in the Fortune500 make more than the other 490 combined...FollowTHEmoney for answers

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I know....
Posted by: Cory.Goodman on May 1, 2009 7:04 AM   
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I know of an anti-depressant that has been used safely for thousands of years. It does not cause suicidal thoughts, homicidal thoughts, violent behavior. It contributes a sense of well being and peace. It gives you the ability to laugh when you are sad. It does not turn you into a joyless robot. It allows you to put your life in context, and realize how you are taking things too seriously.

Of course it is criminal to possess and has "no known medical uses" (via the government). Even if you do live in a state where it is legal medically, depression probably isn't on the list of conditions it cures.

I know many people who use this herb to treat their depression, and it works. Where the littany of legal prescription meds do more harm than good, for this cure the downside is virtually nil. Yet, if you have a drug screen that shows you are positive for the only medication that actually gives you the sanity to hold down a job at all, you get fired.

When will we wake up to the absurdity that is our marijuana laws???

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» RE: I know.... Posted by: micko
» RE: To Sasquatch55... Posted by: UnderTheSea
» RE: No Drug Cures Anything Posted by: edgar_michel
HOW DARE ALTERWHINE
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on May 1, 2009 7:31 AM   
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allow an article which doesn't TYPICALLY FOR THEM focus upon ONLY guns as the cause of everything in the world??!!

YES, how DARE they??!!
Aren't we taught that GUNSSSSSSSSS are the evil endall cause of EVERYTHING??!!

For shame that alterwhine would allow someone to even whipser that there might be an actual CAUSE of events.

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» RE: HOW DARE ALTERWHINE Posted by: micko
micko
Posted by: micko on May 1, 2009 7:50 AM   
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Maybe it's overpopulation. Most species start killing each other, including their own offspring, when their kind over-breeds, and gosh knows we have been breeding mindlessly, incontinently, for generations, depleting vital resources and disappearing hundreds of thousands of other species, including those necessary for continued human life. Just as Y chromosomes kick in when there's a shortage of males, could it be that murderous impulses kick in when there's a surplus of humans? Most likely several reasons, as with most phenomena.

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» RE: That is a Scary Point Posted by: edgar_michel
My Experiences -- And A Study
Posted by: QQOblivion on May 1, 2009 8:05 AM   
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I can report on my experiences. I was most of my life a very un-violent person, although I did get angry on occasion (mostly at myself). Several years ago I was put on anti-psychotics because I was misdiagnosed as having schizophrenia, while I actually had OCD and just a touch of schizophrenia. (I wasn't hallucinating.) Well, all was fine and good on the antipsychotic meds (Risperdone) until I went off of them. Then I became angry all the time, and punched some holes in my walls. (Although I committed no crimes.) I was definitely worse after I quit the Risperdone than before I went on it.
Then later I went on antidepressants and Risperdone for my OCD, and I am now doing great. My anger has greatly subsided. And I have much fewer OCD symptoms. But I fear quitting the Paxil I am on for any reason. Even a slight reduction in the amount of Paxil -- so slight that the pills vary by such a visually-imperceptible amount normally -- makes me dizzy; and I hear that quitting Paxil has many side-effects.

So, I believe that the problem with violence and meds isn't being on the drugs; it is GETTING OFF the medications. It is probably better not to be on the drugs in the first place than to be on them, then quit.

And another thing: A recent study showed that mental-illness without drug-addiction (Does that include prescription drug addiction too?) is NO predictor of violence, despite what the media (including Alternet, it seems) would have us believe. And mental illness with drug- addiction is a slight predictor of violence, but is MUCH less of a predictor than age (being around 20 years old) or male gender. Actually, having mental-illness with drug-addiction was the very last factor, of those factors looked at that had any correlation at all with violent behavior, when it comes to predicting violence. Why didn't Alternet report on this study?

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» RE: My Experiences -- And A Study Posted by: Defenestrator
For those who may be clinically depressed, this article is well-meaning but irresponsible
Posted by: coldmoon on May 1, 2009 8:22 AM   
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I am one of the fortunate people whose lives have been immeasurably improved by anti-depressant medication. For years I ignored the advice of psychotherapists to try medications, based on the "information" promulgated by well-meaning but misinformed people like Ms. Rosenberg.

If you re-read the article, you will see that she provides no empirical evidence for her speculation--just anecdotal "evidence" linked to spurious cause-and-effect conjectures that have no basis in research. This is Fox-News style sensationalism and has no place in a rational forum.

I'm as anti-corporate as they come, and I know that Big Pharma is not our friend. I could go on and on about everything they do wrong when it comes to creating and marketing these medications, but that's not my concern here.

My worry is that someone out there, trapped in feelings of despair and hopelessness, will read Ms. Rosenberg's "expert" article, decide once again against medication, become even more depressed, and ultimately commit suicide. There is nothing easier in the world than convincing a severely depressed person that she cannot be helped. That's our mantra.

Ms. Rosenberg unintentionally is doing a grave disservice to people who need help. If you believe that you may be clinically depressed, please seek the advice of a reputable psychotherapist or psychiatrist before accepting this hokum.

There is help for you. There is massive evidence and agreement among the majority of responsible psychotherapists and psychiatrists that these drugs, properly administered and monitored, work.

And for those of you who know nothing about depression and yet feel free to spout self-righteous rants about people using medications to render themselves numb and unresponsive to social injustice, you've go it exactly wrong.

Severely depressed people are by definition numb and pathologically self-absorbed. We couldn't care less about say, someone else's poverty, except as fuel for our pyre of despair and more evidence for our feelings of hopelessness.

Today's antidepressants are not Soma. Once again, properly prescribed and monitored, they can help restore not only a person's feelings of hope, self-worth, and enjoyment of life, but also his or her compassion and desire to make positive contributions to the community.

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» I disagree Posted by: Chaimirija
Drugs don't kill people. People kill people ! And big government is the problem.
Posted by: Sports Warrior Casey Jones on May 1, 2009 8:27 AM   
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From gun control to drug control, big government has to fuck with everyone's lives don't they ? Fuck those gun grabbing nazis and those fuckers continuing the war on drugs ! America needs SARAH PALIN in 2012 to clean up corruption and nazism going on in Washington !

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cultural and individual trauma
Posted by: dith on May 1, 2009 8:35 AM   
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It's the 00s collective cultural themes of torture, terrorism, 9/11 being processed through individuals and on television/movies like 24, reality tv. Catharsis through repression of trauma.

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The scientific literature on SSRI and violent thoughts
Posted by: Defenestrator on May 1, 2009 9:17 AM   
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I'm a neuroendocrinology researcher. I've been keeping up on this issue for a long time. The literature on increased suicidal ideation or increased violent ideation is mostly made up of anecdotal reports. The actual controlled studies are really inconsistent and sort of all over the place. I've surveyed this literature- which is pretty huge, lots of papers on it- and there are really only 2 consistent things I have found:

1) Anecdotal reports of violent reactions to SSRI drugs consist mostly of young men who had just started on the drugs. In other words, you are very unlikely to see a 50 year old woman who has been on Prozac for 3 years suddenly get a burst of violent thoughts. An 18-year-old male who has been on them for 1 week is where you'd expect to see it.

2) The studies sponsored by pharmaceutical companies ALL came to the conclusion that there is no relationship between these drugs and increases in violent thoughts. That was really striking to me. Most of the time, with inconsistent areas of scientific study, the "inconsistency is consistent" - meaning that everybody will report "we get inconsistent findings." Not so in this area. I could look at funding source and predict the findings with 100% accuracy. I tend to discourage people from conspiratorial thinking, but that's what I saw.

The fact is that SSRI drugs have helped a lot of people, and saved a lot of lives. But we need to move away from the culture in medicine where doctors are prescribing psychoactive drugs without combining it with one-on-one therapy sessions, to keep track of how those drugs are affecting people. Especially in young males- and now that we've got a whole lot of traumatized, brain-injured soldiers coming back, it's especially important that we don't just throw pills at the problem.

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» misidentified bipolar disorder Posted by: inverse_agonist
» RE: misidentified bipolar disorder Posted by: Defenestrator
» ? Posted by: Defenestrator
A Google Search
Posted by: TarryFaster on May 1, 2009 9:39 AM   
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I just put the two words, "psychoactive" and "violence" into Google and got about 154,000 hits. Seems to be SOME connection.

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» RE: A Google Search Posted by: coldmoon
depressed people use antidepressants
Posted by: johnwinthrop on May 1, 2009 11:05 AM   
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article offers no scientific link between antidepressants and homicide. depressed people kill people; bipolar people get angry.

many killers don't use prozac or effexor; many people use these drugs and control othewise violent tendencies.

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why not mention it....
Posted by: Talleyrand on May 1, 2009 12:56 PM   
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Overwhelmingly ............

The killers are men.

Why is that?

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Discontinuation and Mass Unemployment
Posted by: MJ Fields on May 1, 2009 1:01 PM   
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I've raised this question on other AlterNet threads dealing with the recent rash of mass shootings. Whenever a mass shooting or murder-suicide occurs, the first thing I look for in the news is any mention of antidepressant use by the assailant. You'd be surprised how at often there is a history. It's no secret that abruptly going off one's meds, called discontinuation, may result in psychotic and violent behavior. What about all of the people who have or will lose their health insurance due to mass layoffs? How many of them have been prescribed SSRIs and will no longer be able to afford them? I think it's safe to say that a good number of them are already under enormous stress and it wouldn't take much to push them over the edge. Does anyone else see a possible connection between the mass shootings and mass unemployment?

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dshortresearch
Posted by: dshortresearch on May 1, 2009 1:12 PM   
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Dear Ms. Rosenberg:

My name is Dave Short. I am working with the administrator of www.ssristories.com to analyze her database of over 2,500 cases that are similar to those you describe in your latest article "What's Behind the Epidemic of Family-Killings? Could it Be Anti-Depressants?"

Thank you for posting this! As you are aware, articles dealing honestly with the issue of SSRI induced murder, suicide, road rage, "Roid rage", assault, arson, suicide by Cop, murder-suicide, cop killing, etc. are very rare.

I have done some preliminary analysis on the www.ssristories.com database, and I have found that in the "Murder-Suicide" category, 29% of them are committed by women. That is an astounding figure. Prior to 1988, when Prozac was introduced, women murdering their loved ones and themselves (often in the most gruesome and painful ways imaginable) was nearly unheard of.

I take issue with your condemnation of guns as an important part of this issue in that when guns were not available, the perpetrators would burn the victims, stab them, slash them, bite them, strangle them and beat them to death with whatever they had at hand.

The introduction of guns makes the crimes more easy to perpetrate, and may result in more people being injured or killed, but the absence of guns didn't prevent the crimes from going forward. I see the primary issue here as this:

Prior to 1988 and the introduction of Prozac and Prozac like drugs (Many containing fluoride) depressive people lived lives of quiet desperation. It was a shame and a sad fact that these people would sometimes kill themselves. Usually this would take place in isolation, and a lengthy suicide note apologizing for everything was often found. These people deserve help and support of all kinds, there is no denying that.

Since 1988, there has been this sudden appearance of violent insanity culminating in the deaths of loved ones and often in suicide as well. In these cases the perpetrator often remembers nothing of the event and will deny it even when they come out of the rage covered with blood and surrounded by their dead loved ones in the presence of witnesses who observed the event in gory detail. Or as in the case of the woman who drove her car over students in a playground, they will express a reason for their behavior like,

"I wanted to teach the world a lesson"...

People who doubt that this is a serious and very prevalent problem can go to www.ssristories.com and look at the extensive database provided there. The information is in a form that allows the viewer to sort the data by topic heading and to call up each event that is summarized on that page. In the process of my analysis (still in progress) I have reviewed the majority of them and I must say it is the most brutal personal experience of my life. As a retired career paramedic, I thought I was pretty much immune to these things.

Initial analysis of this database also shows that there is a rapidly accelerating curve over time as more and more of these products come on the market and more people are exposed to increasing stresses that are becoming commonplace in this modern and unstable world. To the best of my knowledge approximately 250 million people are under treatment with SSRI's world wide. That would equal 1 out of every 25 people in the world, with more being prescribed every day and new drugs being introduced regularly.

There is ample evidence that this information is being concealed by the pharmaceutical industry and is not being studied.

Anyone can go to www.deepdyve.com and do a search for SSRI hostility violence suicide etc . . . in the published medical literature and find a dearth on the subject.

I salute you for your brave stand. (continued)***

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» FAIL Posted by: inverse_agonist
dshortresearch
Posted by: dshortresearch on May 1, 2009 1:17 PM   
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*comment continued*...

I salute you Ms. Rosenberg in presenting this information and wish you luck in your ongoing attempt to wake people up to the extreme dangers of these substances.

In answer to the people who posted who are currently taking these substances, it appears that as new SSRI products are introduced, they immediately begin to show up in the database. I wouldn't trust any of them, and if I was on them, especially if I was experiencing obsessive thoughts, feelings of rage or mania or hostility, or having trouble sleeping, or experiencing anxiety, I would immediately address this with my provider and take steps to adjust the dosage (DOWNWARD) or to begin the long and painful process of withdrawal.

It is obvious from the data that a person is most susceptible to this sort of reaction when starting on a new SSRI, adjusting the dosage, adding an SSRI, or withdrawing, so it is imperative that people be carefully managed while doing any adjusting. Do NOT try to withdraw or reduce the dosage by yourself.

To me question is this: What is better, a person who is depressed, in pain, perhaps self destructive and feeling hopeless, or a person who may no longer feel depressed, but is manic, obsessive, enraged and at risk for violent homicidal-suicidal mania focused on their loved ones?

I think this is a question that the drug companies and prescribing physicians don't want asked.

Thank you again Ms. Rosenberg. I will be reading your other articles with interest.


Sincerely,
Dave Short
dshortresearch@yahoo.com

www.ssristories.com

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PEOPLE ARE THE SAME - THE RULES ARE DIFFERENT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 1, 2009 1:19 PM   
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Not long ago people were hospitalized sometimes for a long period of time. That removed them from the source of their problems and made it possible to find out what the problems were. They were diagnosed and treated accordingly. Now it's all done with one doctor's visit and a handful of pills. Then it's back to the same old, same old. Post partum depression has always existed to some extent, but it's become an epidemic. During the same time span that gave us women who were expected to have a baby and return to work in 2 weeks. We are living in a society that trivializes everything and illness has become a sign of weakness. Using sick-time is frowned upon. The pressure to perform like a machine is making alot of people crazy. We have unrealistic expectations of ourselvs and everyone else not to mention the children. We all have only 2 hands and there are only 24 hours in the day. Society has turned us all into slaves, the pay ain't that great and it appears to be costing us lives. We are running on empty and have no direction. No society in history has ever lived the American lifestyle as we know it today. There are reasons for that. ANNA

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Alternet has ABOMINABLE editorial standards
Posted by: inverse_agonist on May 1, 2009 2:04 PM   
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OK, the article begins with a list of murder/suicide incidents we can all agree are bad. So far, so good.

Then there's a bunch of nonsense about what "psychologists say." Were they the killers' psychologists? Do they have any sort of expertise in this area whatsoever, or were they some random person called by a journalist and quoted out of context? We certainly don't know from reading the article.

Next we have a misleading statement about Christian Hagesith. A simple internet search will reveal that he didn't even have a license to prescribe medications, and he was writing prescriptions on the internet. Experts in the case concluded that the suicide wasn't actually caused by the Prozac. That's all explained here:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=
/c/a/2009/04/17/BA6O174E4I.DTL&tsp=1

Then we have a relatively noncontroversial argument that maybe we shouldn't give guns to people documented to be crazy.

Then the punch line: this is because the government approved drugs with "proven homicidal and suicidal side effects?" O RLY? That's funny, because the article just nakedly asserts that without providing any sort of evidence or argument whatsoever, as if it's a foregone conclusion. It must be true because corporations are bad, amirite?

If anything close to that were true, it'd be nice to hear about how we know that. Did we find this out from Scientologists? From people selling herbs and vitamins over the internet? From anyone with knowledge of psychiatry?

Am I supposed to be outraged at the Man because people documented to have mental issues bad enough to warrant medication did something crazy?

It's funny how large-scale epidemiological studies show that antidepressants are associated with DECREASED suicide risk. Who would have guessed?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19222406
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15740464

The caveat is that depression causes people to be too lethargic to kill themselves. Antidepressant treatment can remove the lethargy before the depression, so there's a transient period in which risk may be increased. This transient increase is actually evidence that the drug is DECREASING the symptoms of depression. This is why people with bipolar disorder kill themselves at higher rates than unipolar depressed people, and antidepressants without mood stabilizers can pose risks for bipolar patients. The subpopulation of people with increased suicidal ideation after antidepressant treatment may actually have bipolar-related issues that are misdiagnosed:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15780694

Articles like this are irresponsible because they create fears that stop people from seeking out treatments that could help them.

I'm taking an antidepressant (bupropion), and I haven't gotten fat, become impotent, or thought about killing myself lately. From reading articles like this you'd think that was remarkable instead of commonplace.

There are so many legitimate cases of corporate and government misbehavior that we don't need to make up fantasies about government-approved murder drugs. Articles like this and the recent anti-vaccine article by Ace Ventura: Pet Detective are JUST AS BAD as anything creationists write about evolution. We do not need to be ignorant to be liberal.

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NO THINKY = NO DEPRESSION
Posted by: caru on May 1, 2009 2:10 PM   
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the mind creates depression like it creates everything else. yes this planet is toxic beyond belief in so many layered ways. we have all agreed to be here at this amazing moment.

krishna murtis solution: dont think

we are meant to lead with our hearts, not our brains.

this is 2012.

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anti-depressants
Posted by: sdellinger on May 1, 2009 4:26 PM   
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I believe it is very serious to blame anti-depressants on killings. Many people must take them to live a half-way normal life.
I have taken anti-depressants by every name for 30 years and two of my children for at least 15 or more years. None of us have ever felt the need to kill anyone. We have quit taking them for lengths of time and even then we never felt homicidal.

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whats behind the THOUSANDS of violent crimes in our inner cities???
Posted by: EagleX on May 1, 2009 6:52 PM   
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liberal dogma.

note the hypocrisy from the left regarding isolate incidents of random violence from kooks.

they cite beck, limbaugh, hannity, et al as "ginning up" these killings, yet.....


...tens of thousands of innocent victims in our inner cities have been subjected to violence for years, the liberal hypocrite is quiet.

note that these murderers don't listen to beck, limbaugh, hannity, et al --- they listen to the liberal screeds from academia, pop culture, leftist community organizers, liberal politcians, and the liberal media.

shame on the left for inciting violence in our inner cities.

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America's Typification of Dehumanization
Posted by: artie on May 1, 2009 7:11 PM   
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More fundamental than the psycho-pharmaceuticals is, as one reader suggested above, the culture that engenders this plethora of chemicals.
Feelings of alienation, anger, hatred, despair, depression, for suicide, helplessness,
hopelessness, rage, compulsion or obsession, for revenge, paranoia, valuelessness, ...
- the human reader can easily continue the list - have somehow come to be construed in the society at large as deviant or aberrant. Having such feelings has somehow come be be "ill-ified," for lack of a better word, as symptomatic of mental illness (needless to say, I am not referring to physically testable conditions of the brain).
For the society at large, as well as for the individual carrying such feelings, their
"ill-ification" packages several solutions at once. We needn't feel guilty about having such
feelings; they are symptoms of an illness. We needn't feel that we are being irresponsible,
either to ourselves or to others; after all, we are suffering from some illness. We needn't feel that we are some kind of 'social failure.' Society can suppress the feelings and its dangers, and continue to conceal from itself its failures as a society.
When and by whom were such feelings "discovered" to be symptomatic of illness, feelings that we human beings have been having for millenia, feelings from whose womb our nature as human beings was born?
At the risk of sounding trite: life is difficult, and all of us suffer the problems of living (like those witnessed by a single father with two children working three jobs). However, the attempt to eradicate our emotional reactions to life's daily suffering, to attempt to chemically excise those emotional reactions from our natures, is literally to de-humanize us.
Sadly enough, that has become the "American Way." Sadder still, it will only get worse: it seems Americans fail to see the failure in their own humanity.

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Two points,
Posted by: linecrosser on May 1, 2009 7:40 PM   
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Taking away the guns will just make the use of some other weapon. The guy who used his car to attack some queen somewhere killed at least five as he drove his car through the crowd of well wishing fans. And when someone looks into school shooting, 100% of the shooters have been on some mental medication.

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» gun regulation makes sense Posted by: techcafe
My last comment on SSRI's and Hostility
Posted by: dshortresearch on May 1, 2009 10:09 PM   
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This has been a very interesting forum. I've read all the posts. As I've seen before in similar forums, there are two very different responses from people who are taking or have taken SSRI's in the past.

One is almost abhorrence that there is any question raised about even the possibility of SSRI's playing a role in extreme violence. These people are successfully taking SSRI's and have strong feelings on the subject.
I am happy for them, and I'm sure that there are a great many such people in the world.

The other is from people who have a real abhorrence for SSRI drugs after either discontinuing the use of them, or after having experienced emotional instability that frightened them enough to make them seek help. These people had to struggle, often for long periods of time, to stabilize their behavior enough to feel safe, or withdraw completely. Most of these reports talk about the brutality and difficulty of that struggle. There seem to be plenty of these people as well.

My final point is this:
There exists a database of cases of extreme violence at www.ssristories.com in which perpetrators of extreme violence, often with no previous history of similar behavior, were either taking or withdrawing from any number of different SSRI type drugs. This database literally includes every school shooting and many of the media hyped incidents of a woman killing her children and the like.

It's interesting to note that this subject is almost totally ignored by the main stream media, who may report on the event as horrifying but focus on the use of guns in the event, or on some other aspect such as "Post partum depression".

It's also interesting that since about 2007, the identification of specific drugs such as Prozac in what few reports exist has been replaced first with "Antidepressants" or "Medication for depression" and then with "Patient was being treated for depression" and now with no comment whatsoever regarding the perpetrator's mental condition at the time. This is due in large part to pressure by the drug companies who are largely responsible for the efficacy and physical harm their drugs may be causing.

Prior to 1988 when Prozac was first introduced, it is difficult to find ANY cases like the ones documented at www.ssristories.com . There are some serial killings, but not the random extreme bloody and crazed types of events by otherwise normal people usualy against their own loved ones that we see associated with these substances.

I believe that this is a very serious issue and it deserves very serious study that it's not getting, due in large part to an utter lack of funding and an active effort on the part of the drug manufacturers to protect their investments and their profits. Including false reporting of their drugs efficacy and downplaying of harmful side effects.
The "Prozac defense" has already been used successfully in many murder defenses.

If there's even an outside chance (And I can attest that it's much higher than that having read 2,500 cases) that these substances cause behavior leading to these horrific crimes, then I feel justified in demanding further investigation by independent researchers and if appropriate, litigation, criminal charges and class action law suits against those found responsible.

To do less is to ignore the loss of a lot of wonderful people and to purposely shut our eyes to a truly horrific problem that may be solvable.

It is also to allow this horror to continue.

Given the severity of the problem, I think investigation is the minimum that should be done.


Peace, Freedom, Truth, Justice
Dave Short
Injury Prevention Specialist
dshortresearch@yahoo.com
www.ssristories.com

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» Thanks Dave! Posted by: brianct
Elephants
Posted by: cdlepthien on May 2, 2009 4:57 AM   
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"But of course the elephant in the room is this: When people lost their jobs or wives in the past ..."

If the "people" can be confidently and relevantly described as having "wives" as opposed to "spouses", I would say that the elephant in the room is that they are all men.

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» RE: Elephants and Males on Prozac Posted by: dshortresearch
Complicated Situation
Posted by: Lilly on May 2, 2009 5:27 AM   
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Blaming a violent act on a psychoactive medication is a slippery slope because several variables tangle up like a can of worms. Scenario #1: The person was previously emotionally health and high-functioning; it's just that his chemical balance got screwed up by medication. Scenario #2: The person was previously high- or moderately-functioning, got screwed up by current events---economy, loss, stress, etc.---and reacted to that, with or without input from medications. Scenario #3: The person previously suffered from undiagnosed pathology and was not really all that high-functioning if viewed carefully; subsequent violence possibly due to current events or medications. And more scenarios than that. Like, is he taking additional meds? And do we really know how they interact with one another?

You have three big variables to look at: baseline pathology, current events, medication. It is simplistic to assume that only one has an impact, or that they impact independent of one another. Cause and effect here is nearly impossible to measure witha accuracy.

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» RE: Complicated Situation Reply Posted by: dshortresearch
Beware of Saying "Proven Effect"
Posted by: Lilly on May 2, 2009 6:00 AM   
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If you mounted a controlled study to demonstrate that a drug causes murder, you would have to be prepared for your subjects to commit murder, then you'd have to stand by while they did it, and pretty soon you'd be counting dead bodies. Your institution's Human Subjects Review Committee would probably object to that anticipated outcome as soon as you sent them your study proposal. Absent that scenario, you're left with assuming that effect B is caused by cause A---you start with counting dead bodies then you try to figure out how they happened to get dead. We use such field studies in the social sciences---eg what is the association between diagnosed clinical depression in mothers and the occurrence of sudden crib death in infants---because we can't be creating dead children as part of our study. But pharmacological research is biology-based and nothing is "proven" unless you can prove it.

I have noticed on conservative boards that users' posts are full of phrases like "studies prove" and "statistics prove" when what they actually mean is "my opinion is that...". This author's use of "proven effect" falls in that category; such a statement regarding the effect of a drug would be shredded in court in about 15 minutes.

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Over 98% of America is brainwashed by drug TV
Posted by: nismx on May 2, 2009 6:08 AM   
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Drug companies want every person on at least 12 medications.
They don't give a rats ass if they help or hurt you as long as you just keep taking them. Do you really believe that some are hard to get off of
just because ? There made that way for a reason. Prozac is mostly Fluoride which is between Arsenic and Lead on the toxicity scale. Just drink more fluoridated water it's cheaper. Exercise is proven to relieve depression. Ask your doctor if getting off your ass is right for you.
Eat organic foods and drink pure water and avoid chemicals and you want need any of their poison drugs. Drugs are like guns if you live by them you die by them.

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» RE: Prozac and Fluoride Posted by: dshortresearch
After 20 Long Years I Want to Thank You for this article!!
Posted by: DrAnnBlakeTracy on May 2, 2009 2:06 PM   
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It has now been 20 long years that I have fought to get the truth about antidepressants to the public. I thought it might take a year or perhaps two to educate society as to the problem with these drugs because it is so very simple. The short version is that they are the most similar drugs in action we have seen to LSD or PCP.

Why have you not been made aware of it sooner?

I could tell you plenty of experiences that would help you to clearly see why. Perhaps the best was in doing the Leeza Gibbons Show a decade ago on mother's killing their children while under the influence of an antidepressant. As we prepared to walk onto the stage we were told that we could say "antidepressant," but we could NOT mention the brand names of the drugs "because of our advertisers." They made it very clear who runs national television and controls what we see and what we do not see. Trust me when I say that we are years beyond Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four!

For 17 years I have testified as an expert witness in these cases - some of the more high profile cases I have consulted on or testified in are: the murder/suicide of Comedian Phil Hartman and his wife, Brynn, Andrea Yates' case, the Atlanta Day Trader, Columbine and Red Lake and NIU shootings - to list a handful. In the legal arena I quickly learned the great influence of the drug companies in the courtroom as well.

The drug companies fund and run most of the studies on the drugs so they have complete control there and therefore over what your doctor knows about the drugs. And now they work hand in hand with the FDA and fund much of what they do. So when you have the drug companies controlling what "scientific' information we have on these drugs, what we hear about the drugs, what happens in court cases involving the drugs how are you suppose to learn the truth about them?

I can say without any reservation at all that antidepressants CAUSE murder/suicide. We have proven that in the courtroom which is one reason why you see no more cases going to court. (Read the science in my FDA testimony posted above by someone.) On top of that these drugs have destroyed our society as we knew it. The Ozzie and Harriet lifestyle will never return. We may close Pandora's box, but the damage has taken its toll. What I have long called the "divorce pills" have done their job well. The death toll in the murder/suicides is nothing compared to the death toll of families lost through divorce as a result of these drugs. Not watching TV for the 4 years as I worked to write my book on these drugs was a real culture shock - just to see the drastic change in society in that short amount of time was telling. I remain convinced that TV talk shows would have no guests without these drugs! It seems the whole country has gone manic on antidepressants and I have been unable to watch TV since that time.

Anyway I wanted to let you know that there is a brand new medical article out on antidepressant-induced murder/suicide in the Spring Issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons:

http://www.jpands.org/vol14no1/kauffman.pdf

We can debate this issue for another 20 years or learn the truth now and stop the bloodshed. I, for one, have grown EXTREMELY WEARY of gathering the dead!! The thousands of precious lives we have lost to these drugs could never be repaid no matter the award granted by the courts! Not only have their families suffered for no reason other than to satisfy the greed of these companies, our entire society have lost far too many who could have contributed monumental amounts to our world!! We are all paying for this whether we are yet aware of it or not.

Ann Blake-Tracy, PhD, Executive Director,
International Coalition for Drug Awareness
www.drugawareness.org & www.ssristories.com
Author: Prozac: Panacea or Pandora? Our Serotonin Nightmare

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Let's hope it isn't the drugs that's causing this...
Posted by: Tombo on May 2, 2009 7:11 PM   
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Cause more people are going to be getting them after this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8027440.stm

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ssris CAN be blamed, as well as the failure of the FDA
Posted by: brianct on May 3, 2009 8:00 PM   
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yes, people: SSRI antidepressanst ARE bad for you. Yes they do induce suicide and homicide ideation (it even says so on the zoloft packet!). But plenty of foolish people will rush to defend them becase they are mainstream medicine (which also once endorsed calomel (a mercury compound) and bloodletting)

here are thousands of newss reports linking these drugs to murder suicide ad much more:

ssri stories

why has the FDA allowed this class of drugs onto the market: because of the Revolving Door that has drug execs on the FDA board.

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SSRIs, Columbine and Michael Moore
Posted by: brianct on May 3, 2009 8:05 PM   
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Michael Moore, of Bowling for Columbine fame has come out endorsing the SSRI thesis that these drugs can cause suicide/murder in people who take them:
see video:
michael moore on SSRI

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» RE: SSRIs, Columbine and Michael Moore Posted by: dshortresearch
Antidepressants cause suicide and homicide
Posted by: ErnestR on May 4, 2009 8:48 AM   
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School teacher Stephen Leith committed murder shortly after getting on Prozac. His letter written from prison gives a very clear picture of how antidepressants change your thinking and behavior. Read the letter at http://psychrights.org/Stories/StephenLeith.pdf. Another case of someone committing mass murder/suicide on antidepressants are the Red Lake killings where 16-year-old Jeff Weise, who was on Prozac, killed ten people including himself. Murder/suicides were extremely rare until Prozac came out around 1988 followed by other antidepressants. A friend tells me that while he was on Zoloft he would be driving and often think about crashing his car into a bridge abuttment. He told me that was just a natural thought while on antidepressants and he never even questioned why he thought that way.

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7 year old kills himself
Posted by: travelertoo on May 4, 2009 5:45 PM   
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I heard on the radio about a week ago that a 7 year old hung himself after an argument with his brother. He had been taking an anti-depressant which was not supposed to be prescribed to teens.

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gender-targeted drugs
Posted by: jmd on May 4, 2009 7:28 PM   
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85% of domestic violence is caused by men.
It's men that typically commit murder-suicides and familicides.
Men kill 3-4 women per day. When women kill men, 80-90% had experienced domestic violence.

What exactly is supposed to be in these drugs that cause men to target women & children?? The domestic violence community would be very interested in learning this.

Pharmaceutical drugs? just another excuse...

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» RE: gender-targeted drugs Posted by: dshortresearch
hope to visit lots of "Liberals"
Posted by: waypasthadenough on May 4, 2009 8:59 PM   
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Hey Martha, I hope you're home when I visit you during "Liberal" season.

Don't understand? Start here:

http://willowtown.com/promo/quotes.htm

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SSRIs are the murder weapon
Posted by: SallyOh on May 6, 2009 1:59 PM   
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Visit Dr. Tracy's site: http://www.drugawareness.org/home.html to find out how dangerous SSRIs are. Every school shooter was on an SSRI, for instance. See Michael Moore's video on the homepage.

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» RE: SSRIs and School Shootings Posted by: dshortresearch
Purpose of Meds
Posted by: DHFabian on May 6, 2009 8:05 PM   
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Anti-depressants, like all medications, need to be prescribed by a doctor. A competent doctor will initially monitor your case closely. The doctor will speak with you regularly, to assess how the treatment is working, and the patient is instructed to report any negative side effects, etc. People react differently to different types of meds, so individual assessment is needed. A medication that enables one person to finally live a normal, productive life could have a dramatically negative effect on another person.

When prescribed appropriately, anti- depressants are not "happy pills;" they help correct a chemical imbalance in the brain, enabling the individual to function normally. Without this medication, these people can be virtually non-functioning, suffering everything from physical illness to the inability to concentrate on/complete any task to significant difficulties with memory -- even something as simple as remembering one's own address or Social Security number.

As much as we tough Americans criticize anyone who needs help, people who have mental illnesses have a choice of working with a doctor to find a successful treatment plan that will enable them to have real lives, or just throw in the towel, getting sicker and sicker until they become institutionalized or dead.

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I don't believe it for a picosecond.
Posted by: Freticat on May 6, 2009 10:10 PM   
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From the story:

"But Mickey Mouse gun laws help, too, and there might well be private or licensed gun sellers thinking, 'I shouldn't have sold that squirrelly dude that weapon,' after the recent violence."

Naah. These guys that sell guns to anybody who wants them don't give a flying fuck 'cause they've got their bucks. They don't need no steenking remorse.

In other news, I am very grateful to my doctor for reducing the number of pills I take from nine to three, none of them antidepressants. I'd rather be down than deranged.

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GENERATION RX Documentary Tracks the Roots of Violence & SSRIs
Posted by: PhilBlank on May 19, 2009 6:26 AM   
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GENERATION RX is an extremely well-done documentary that documents the facts of how we got where we are today. It traces the roots of violence and SSRIs back to the 1980s — and has the documentation to prove it. The filmmaker does so with conflicts-of-interest also — and quite convincingly.

The DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) lists disorders, including the behavioral disorders such as ADHD, bi-polar, and so on, is the so-called 'Bible' of psychiatric medicines. One thing I learned is that the committee/authors of the DSM have financial ties to the pharmaceutical industry — In some cases 100% of the panel members have financial ties to the very drugs they are 'voting' to approve! The corruptness of the FDA is also made clear in this film — and how we need a firewall between the regulators and those that profit from what is being regulated. Right now we have a "fox watching the hen house" scenario.

To me, GENERATION RX presented the facts — including those about violence and suicide as a "side effect" of SSRI meds — without undue emotion. http://tinyurl.com/o5owjw

The movie is sobering but you have to see it. It is the best documentary I've seen in many years.

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