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Don't Be Fooled by the Taliban Hysteria in Pakistan: They Aren't Going to Take Over
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Apocalypse Now. Run for cover. The turbans are coming. This is the state of Pakistan today, according to the current hysteria disseminated by the Barack Obama administration and United States corporate media - from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to The New York Times. Even British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has said on the record that Pakistani Talibanistan is a threat to the security of Britain.
But unlike St Petersburg in 1917 or Tehran in late 1978, Islamabad won't fall tomorrow to a turban revolution.
Pakistan is not an ungovernable Somalia. The numbers tell the story. At least 55% of Pakistan's 170 million-strong population are Punjabis. There's no evidence they are about to embrace
Talibanistan; they are essentially Shi'ites, Sufis or a mix of both. Around 50 million are Sindhis - faithful followers of the late Benazir Bhutto and her husband, now President Asif Ali Zardari's centrist and overwhelmingly secular Pakistan People's Party. Talibanistan fanatics in these two provinces - amounting to 85% of Pakistan's population, with a heavy concentration of the urban middle class - are an infinitesimal minority.
The Pakistan-based Taliban - subdivided in roughly three major groups, amounting to less than 10,000 fighters with no air force, no Predator drones, no tanks and no heavily weaponized vehicles - are concentrated in the Pashtun tribal areas, in some districts of North-West Frontier Province (NWFP), and some very localized, small parts of Punjab.
To believe this rag-tag band could rout the well-equipped, very professional 550,000-strong Pakistani army, the sixth-largest military in the world, which has already met the Indian colossus in battle, is a ludicrous proposition.
Moreover, there's no evidence the Taliban, in Afghanistan or in Pakistan, have any capability to hit a target outside of "Af-Pak"(Afghanistan and Pakistan). That's mythical al-Qaeda's privileged territory. As for the nuclear hysteria of the Taliban being able to crack the Pakistani army codes for the country's nuclear arsenal (most of the Taliban, by the way, are semi-literate), even Obama, at his 100-day news conference, stressed the nuclear arsenal was safe.
Of course, there's a smatter of junior Pashtun army officers who sympathize with the Taliban - as well as significant sections of the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency. But the military institution itself is backed by none other than the American army - with which it has been closely intertwined since the 1970s. Zardari would be a fool to unleash a mass killing of Pakistani Pashtuns; on the contrary, Pashtuns can be very useful for Islamabad's own designs.
Zardari's government this week had to send in troops and the air force to deal with the Buner problem, in the Malakand district of NWFP, which shares a border with Kunar province in Afghanistan and thus is relatively close to US and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) troops. They are fighting less than 500 members of the Tehrik-e Taliban-e Pakistan (TTP). But for the Pakistani army, the possibility of the area joining Talibanistan is a great asset - because this skyrockets Pakistani control of Pashtun southern Afghanistan, ever in accordance to the eternal "strategic depth" doctrine prevailing in Islamabad.
Bring me the head of Baitullah Mehsud
So if Islamabad is not burning tomorrow, why the hysteria? There are several reasons. To start with, what Washington - now under Obama's "Af-Pak" strategy - simply cannot stomach is real democracy and a true civilian government in Islamabad; these would be much more than a threat to "US interests" than the Taliban, whom the Bill Clinton administration was happily wining and dining in the late 1990s.
What Washington may certainly relish is yet another military coup - and sources tell Asia Times Online that former dictator General Pervez Musharraf (Busharraf as he was derisively referred to) is active behind the hysteria scene.
It's crucial to remember that every military coup in Pakistan has been conducted by the army chief of staff. So the man of the hour - and the next few hours, days and months - is discreet General Ashfaq Kiani, Benazir's former army secretary. He is very cozy with US military chief Admiral Mike Mullen, and definitely not a Taliban-hugger.
Moreover, there are canyons of the Pakistani military/security bureaucracy who would love nothing better than to extract even more US dollars from Washington to fight the Pashtun neo-Taliban that they are simultaneously arming to fight the Americans and NATO. It works. Washington is now under a counter-insurgency craze, with the Pentagon eager to teach such tactics to every Pakistani officer in sight.
What is never mentioned by US corporate media is the tremendous social problems Pakistan has to deal with because of the mess in the tribal areas. Islamabad believes that between the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) and NWFP, at least 1 million people are now displaced (not to mention badly in need of food aid). FATA's population is around 3.5 million - overwhelmingly poor Pashtun peasants. And obviously war in FATA translates into insecurity and paranoia in the fabled capital of NWFP, Peshawar.
The myth of Talibanistan anyway is just a diversion, a cog in the slow-moving regional big wheel - which in itself is part of the new great game in Eurasia.
During a first stage - let's call it the branding of evil - Washington think-tanks and corporate media hammered non-stop on the "threat of al-Qaeda" to Pakistan and the US. FATA was branded as terrorist central - the most dangerous place in the world where "the terrorists" and an army of suicide bombers were trained and unleashed into Afghanistan to kill the "liberators" of US/NATO.
In the second stage, the new Obama administration accelerated the Predator "hell from above" drone war over Pashtun peasants. Now comes the stage where the soon over 100,000-strong US/NATO troops are depicted as the true liberators of the poor in Af-Pak (and not the "evil" Taliban) - an essential ploy in the new narrative to legitimize Obama's Af-Pak surge.
For all pieces to fall into place, a new uber-bogeyman is needed. And he is TTP leader Baitullah Mehsud, who, curiously, had never been hit by even a fake US drone until, in early March, he made official his allegiance to historic Taliban leader Mullah Omar, "The Shadow" himself, who is said to live undisturbed somewhere around Quetta, in Pakistani Balochistan.
Now there's a US$5 million price on Baitullah's head. The Predators have duly hit the Mehsud family's South Waziristan bases. But - curioser and curioser - not once but twice, the ISI forwarded a detailed dossier of Baitullah's location directly to its cousin, the Central Intelligence Agency. But there was no drone hit.
And maybe there won't be - especially now that a bewildered Zardari government is starting to consider that the previous uber-bogeyman, a certain Osama bin Laden, is no more than a ghost. Drones can incinerate any single Pashtun wedding in sight. But international bogeymen of mystery - Osama, Baitullah, Mullah Omar - star players in the new OCO (overseas contingency operations), formerly GWOT ("global war on terror"), of course deserve star treatment.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on May 1, 2009 2:25 AM
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Hint - its us.
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» Yup, and if the Taliban do become a problem, then its because of blowback.
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» You're HALF RIGHT!!!!
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Posted by: vickymiss2001 on May 1, 2009 4:05 AM
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Your choice. Pak government has to decide from - Letting USA attack the country and kill civilians or stopping them with the Nukes and we can guess what side the secret service would lean to. Everyone is tired of murderous America --
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Posted by: iris89 on May 1, 2009 6:21 AM
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"Did you know that 90-95% of the conflicts in the world today are Muslims fighting non-muslims or each other? " [source - The Weekend Australian, November 26-27, 2005 AD]"
I am getting very tired of hearing Palestinians and other Ishmaelite crying crocodile tears and always trying to put the blame for what they do on others such as their conspiracy weavers tried to do about who did 9/11/2001 attack on the World Trade Center, etc. Screaming against what they call wrongful occupations when they are guilty of occupying Byzantine territory, Palestine which belongs to the Israelites [see Numbers the 34 th. Chapter in any Bible for proof of this, and their outright greed as they have over 98% of the Middle East, but still greedly want the less than 2% belonging to their sister tribe Israel] - its time we get real and put an end to this so the world can stop experiencing continuous Ishmaelite induced strife such as shooting rockets at Israel.
Solution, dissolve this false religion and rid the earth of at least 90% of the violence. But of course the politicians will not do what is needed since as Jeremiah 10:23 says, "O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." (Authorized King James Bible; AV). To read detailed information, go to the following article:
[go to] When Should A Religion Be Dissolved In The Interest Of World Peace?
Which can be found at,
http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/
An Educational Referral Forum under the sub-heading, ' ISLAM THE SOURCE OF MOST VIOLENCE
Along with many other useful articles.
For more details, go to:
[1] http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/ An Educational Referral Forum
[2] http://www.network54.com/Forum/403209 A Forum Devoted to Exposing The False Religion of Islam
[3] http://jude3.proboards92.com/ A Free-Speech Forum For All
Posting the truth and reality is in no way 'hate speech' per "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
Now I challenge you to show me one error or untruth in anything I wrote. PM me on either #1 or #3 forums above, and we will discuss and I will back up with proof everything I said, so stop lying about me and what I say.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 1, 2009 6:52 AM
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Do you thik she would have conceded the resort area of the Swat Valley? Do you thinnk she would have protected the pak/afghani Border more diligently? Would she have rallied the people to defeat extremeism within their own communities- neighbor to neighbor?
knowing what we knownow about the Bushies tryying to legitimize the invasion into Iraq for no good american Reason. Considering there is evidence of Cheney's Hit squad...It begs the question who really did assasinate Bhouto? Who had the most to gain to maintain the status quo? Who benefited from the spill over of the Taliban (AQ) into pakistan?The ever growing recruitment of 'enemy Combatants'? Follow the money, as always.
Why would the ever elusive Cheney finally become so public- demanding th erelease of memos proving the use of torture- Is he hoping WE prosecute him for that 'deateabel' crime instead of more obvious High crimes being prosecuted by foreign countries? considering our weak stomachs for harsh punishments, I betting he's praying we sentence him to life in prison, before some other less congenial country executes him for more heinous crimes.
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Posted by: scared on May 1, 2009 7:15 AM
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Pakistan has a fascinating history. I recently read "The Duel: Pakistan on the Flight Path of American Power" by Tariq Ali. It was one of the most informative and well written books on the region I've ever read. Tremendous learning experience. I'd highly recommend reading that book if you liked this article.
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Posted by: Hechicera on May 1, 2009 7:41 AM
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Follow some of the other Asia Times contributors that actually live in Pakistan like Syed Saleem Shahzad. You will get a different picture. Karachi has seen things like this: Targeted Killings.
That can't be called "stabilizing". Karachi is no where near a "Talibanized" area btw.
Or, check out editorials in Pakistani-based Dawn. And you find out that Pakistanis don't even know, but are painfully aware that if something doesn't improve that a failed state is indeed possible. Petraus fear-mongeing of "by next week"? err well no. But to ignore the possibility would be equally irresponsible as premature fear mongering.
On the nukes though, I think the Army will protect them to the end, and I hope we do think about China before we rush in and try to take Pakistani nuke sites. China runs some of the Pakistani nuclear power plants jointly with them. I can't find the link now, but China, not the US was announced as having the list of nuclear sites by Pakistan "just in case". China seems to be trying to rapidly increase domestic ties as a way of both stabilizing and gaining influence in Pakistan right now.
So forgetting China also shares a border with Pakistan would be foolish.
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Posted by: chorton on May 1, 2009 9:27 AM
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Very much we don't know but standard for what to listen to is now set higher. This article doesn't mention those issues. Don't take it very seriously.
Gotta run...
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» Taliban the Good Guys?
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Posted by: MeyravLevine on May 1, 2009 9:51 AM
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I have a college friend who now lives in Pakistan.
He blames the rise of Taliban on both the complicity of the Pak government with US in the Afghan-Sovite war in the 80s; and the 'strategic depth' rationale of Pak state and US/Saudi interests in having hostile Wahabi Taliban in Iran's backyard.
But most importantly, he blames the Pak state and the ruling elites (feudal lords and industrialits) failure to provide basic necessities such as a working judicial system, education, food and health-care, and jobs for the rise of Taliban.
Pakistan is a failed. Although rich in many natural resources, the ruling elites implemented policies that created a subservient middle-class, and a large serf class.
Ironically, the free-market fundamentalists in US and Europe want the same policy! We only have to look at Pakistan to see what happens when capitalists run amok.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on May 1, 2009 11:03 AM
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It's like someone has kicked you exceedingly hard in the balls.
No longer can you blame some other even more Evil than the Evil in Our Own Culture.
When it comes to EVIL
And whilst I do not doubt that Evil is Rampant all Over The World
The Greatest EVIL
Comes from within My Culture
We Did It.
And I thought we were Nice
We are Not Nice.
We are EVIL
Tony
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on May 1, 2009 11:21 AM
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» RE: The Taliban, thanks to US and EU, are ruining the lives of the sweetheart civilians in Af/Pak.
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Posted by: Garvagh on May 1, 2009 11:27 AM
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War is hugely profitable. Bigger wars are even bigger profit centers. The US is incapable of engaging in sustained military operations in a tribal Muslim country because the more pople killed, the more insurgents that jump up. Vietnam redux.
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Posted by: mikeblack on May 1, 2009 2:19 PM
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They're getting control of small rural areas that offer nothing. Areas where the local government probably isn't much different than the taliban anyway. Now, I'm not saying them getting any kind of power is a good thing, but the only sin Pakistan is committing in dealing with them is not falling into the Bush-like "You're either with us or against us! No concessions!" line. You know, that thing Obama ran against during his campaign but only seems to be escalating. We've got to stop the practice of being (Team America) world police where we've got to shut down every government we disagree with. These people already agree with the strict islamic rule, they're not trying to take over people with the moralistic worldview of Los Angeles residents or something. It's their culture.
If Bush wanted to escalate Afghanistan and possibly start a new war in Pakistan, people would be outraged. But people are so desperate to hang on to the myth that Obama is going to be a good president they're letting him get away with it.
If you still have faith in Obama after taking a realistic look at his foreign policy, it's the very definition of blind faith.
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Posted by: 2thepoint on May 1, 2009 5:52 PM
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Obama better be ready to make the hard choice of taking out Pakistans nukes if/when the Taliban gets close to taking that country over or it's fun time in the mid east!
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» Yeah Beck, just support the Taliban by letting Obama bomb Af/Pak.
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» Why would Beck care? She's in her own stupid world.
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Posted by: 876 on May 4, 2009 12:38 PM
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This statement gives an absurd impression that the Taliban would be anymore a “Pashtun” movement than a Punjabi one. It was after all the Punjabis who took Arab and American funds to train and evangelize impoverished Pashtuns to work as a Punjabi proxy army in Afghanistan. It is still Punjabis who promote the Taliban to the detriment of both Afghanistan and the Pashtun minority they attempt to keep impoverished and uneducated. Your implications is simply off and your are no more than another westerner promoting ethnic divisiveness for your own good.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on May 1, 2009 2:25 AM
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Hint - its us.
Tony
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» Yup, and if the Taliban do become a problem, then its because of blowback.
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» RE: Yup, and if the Taliban do become a problem, then its because of blowback.
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» You're HALF RIGHT!!!!
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Posted by: vickymiss2001 on May 1, 2009 4:05 AM
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Your choice. Pak government has to decide from - Letting USA attack the country and kill civilians or stopping them with the Nukes and we can guess what side the secret service would lean to. Everyone is tired of murderous America --
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Posted by: iris89 on May 1, 2009 6:21 AM
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"Did you know that 90-95% of the conflicts in the world today are Muslims fighting non-muslims or each other? " [source - The Weekend Australian, November 26-27, 2005 AD]"
I am getting very tired of hearing Palestinians and other Ishmaelite crying crocodile tears and always trying to put the blame for what they do on others such as their conspiracy weavers tried to do about who did 9/11/2001 attack on the World Trade Center, etc. Screaming against what they call wrongful occupations when they are guilty of occupying Byzantine territory, Palestine which belongs to the Israelites [see Numbers the 34 th. Chapter in any Bible for proof of this, and their outright greed as they have over 98% of the Middle East, but still greedly want the less than 2% belonging to their sister tribe Israel] - its time we get real and put an end to this so the world can stop experiencing continuous Ishmaelite induced strife such as shooting rockets at Israel.
Solution, dissolve this false religion and rid the earth of at least 90% of the violence. But of course the politicians will not do what is needed since as Jeremiah 10:23 says, "O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." (Authorized King James Bible; AV). To read detailed information, go to the following article:
[go to] When Should A Religion Be Dissolved In The Interest Of World Peace?
Which can be found at,
http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/
An Educational Referral Forum under the sub-heading, ' ISLAM THE SOURCE OF MOST VIOLENCE
Along with many other useful articles.
For more details, go to:
[1] http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/ An Educational Referral Forum
[2] http://www.network54.com/Forum/403209 A Forum Devoted to Exposing The False Religion of Islam
[3] http://jude3.proboards92.com/ A Free-Speech Forum For All
Posting the truth and reality is in no way 'hate speech' per "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV).
Now I challenge you to show me one error or untruth in anything I wrote. PM me on either #1 or #3 forums above, and we will discuss and I will back up with proof everything I said, so stop lying about me and what I say.
Iris89
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» More racist/religious bigotry propoganda. It fits.
Posted by: Prophit0
» I have a better idea - let us all convert to Islam
Posted by: bonapartist
» Dissolve them all...including yours.
Posted by: mjglow
» What about Nazis, Communists, and our own drug war?
Posted by: rimchamp77
» RE: Let's End War - Eliminate Its Source, Dissolve Islam
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» Just Because You Believe It Doesn't Make It True
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» RE: Let's End War - Eliminate Its Source.
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» How bigoted
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 1, 2009 6:52 AM
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Do you thik she would have conceded the resort area of the Swat Valley? Do you thinnk she would have protected the pak/afghani Border more diligently? Would she have rallied the people to defeat extremeism within their own communities- neighbor to neighbor?
knowing what we knownow about the Bushies tryying to legitimize the invasion into Iraq for no good american Reason. Considering there is evidence of Cheney's Hit squad...It begs the question who really did assasinate Bhouto? Who had the most to gain to maintain the status quo? Who benefited from the spill over of the Taliban (AQ) into pakistan?The ever growing recruitment of 'enemy Combatants'? Follow the money, as always.
Why would the ever elusive Cheney finally become so public- demanding th erelease of memos proving the use of torture- Is he hoping WE prosecute him for that 'deateabel' crime instead of more obvious High crimes being prosecuted by foreign countries? considering our weak stomachs for harsh punishments, I betting he's praying we sentence him to life in prison, before some other less congenial country executes him for more heinous crimes.
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Posted by: scared on May 1, 2009 7:15 AM
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Pakistan has a fascinating history. I recently read "The Duel: Pakistan on the Flight Path of American Power" by Tariq Ali. It was one of the most informative and well written books on the region I've ever read. Tremendous learning experience. I'd highly recommend reading that book if you liked this article.
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Posted by: US Citizen on May 1, 2009 7:26 AM
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Posted by: Hechicera on May 1, 2009 7:41 AM
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Follow some of the other Asia Times contributors that actually live in Pakistan like Syed Saleem Shahzad. You will get a different picture. Karachi has seen things like this: Targeted Killings.
That can't be called "stabilizing". Karachi is no where near a "Talibanized" area btw.
Or, check out editorials in Pakistani-based Dawn. And you find out that Pakistanis don't even know, but are painfully aware that if something doesn't improve that a failed state is indeed possible. Petraus fear-mongeing of "by next week"? err well no. But to ignore the possibility would be equally irresponsible as premature fear mongering.
On the nukes though, I think the Army will protect them to the end, and I hope we do think about China before we rush in and try to take Pakistani nuke sites. China runs some of the Pakistani nuclear power plants jointly with them. I can't find the link now, but China, not the US was announced as having the list of nuclear sites by Pakistan "just in case". China seems to be trying to rapidly increase domestic ties as a way of both stabilizing and gaining influence in Pakistan right now.
So forgetting China also shares a border with Pakistan would be foolish.
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Posted by: chorton on May 1, 2009 9:27 AM
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Very much we don't know but standard for what to listen to is now set higher. This article doesn't mention those issues. Don't take it very seriously.
Gotta run...
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» Acid in the faces of schoolgirls.
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» And you're supporting Obama who's ruining them.
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» Taliban the Good Guys?
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Posted by: MeyravLevine on May 1, 2009 9:51 AM
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I have a college friend who now lives in Pakistan.
He blames the rise of Taliban on both the complicity of the Pak government with US in the Afghan-Sovite war in the 80s; and the 'strategic depth' rationale of Pak state and US/Saudi interests in having hostile Wahabi Taliban in Iran's backyard.
But most importantly, he blames the Pak state and the ruling elites (feudal lords and industrialits) failure to provide basic necessities such as a working judicial system, education, food and health-care, and jobs for the rise of Taliban.
Pakistan is a failed. Although rich in many natural resources, the ruling elites implemented policies that created a subservient middle-class, and a large serf class.
Ironically, the free-market fundamentalists in US and Europe want the same policy! We only have to look at Pakistan to see what happens when capitalists run amok.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on May 1, 2009 11:03 AM
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It's like someone has kicked you exceedingly hard in the balls.
No longer can you blame some other even more Evil than the Evil in Our Own Culture.
When it comes to EVIL
And whilst I do not doubt that Evil is Rampant all Over The World
The Greatest EVIL
Comes from within My Culture
We Did It.
And I thought we were Nice
We are Not Nice.
We are EVIL
Tony
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on May 1, 2009 11:21 AM
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» RE: The Taliban, thanks to US and EU, are ruining the lives of the sweetheart civilians in Af/Pak.
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Posted by: Garvagh on May 1, 2009 11:27 AM
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War is hugely profitable. Bigger wars are even bigger profit centers. The US is incapable of engaging in sustained military operations in a tribal Muslim country because the more pople killed, the more insurgents that jump up. Vietnam redux.
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Posted by: grindermonkey on May 1, 2009 1:34 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
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» RE: Care for another worrisome problem? Uh, no, thanks.
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Posted by: mikeblack on May 1, 2009 2:19 PM
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They're getting control of small rural areas that offer nothing. Areas where the local government probably isn't much different than the taliban anyway. Now, I'm not saying them getting any kind of power is a good thing, but the only sin Pakistan is committing in dealing with them is not falling into the Bush-like "You're either with us or against us! No concessions!" line. You know, that thing Obama ran against during his campaign but only seems to be escalating. We've got to stop the practice of being (Team America) world police where we've got to shut down every government we disagree with. These people already agree with the strict islamic rule, they're not trying to take over people with the moralistic worldview of Los Angeles residents or something. It's their culture.
If Bush wanted to escalate Afghanistan and possibly start a new war in Pakistan, people would be outraged. But people are so desperate to hang on to the myth that Obama is going to be a good president they're letting him get away with it.
If you still have faith in Obama after taking a realistic look at his foreign policy, it's the very definition of blind faith.
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» You hit the nail on the head.
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Posted by: jsa9 on May 1, 2009 3:15 PM
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» RE: Pepe is telling half of the story
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» RE: Pepe is telling half of the story
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Posted by: willymack on May 1, 2009 3:37 PM
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Posted by: 2thepoint on May 1, 2009 5:52 PM
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Obama better be ready to make the hard choice of taking out Pakistans nukes if/when the Taliban gets close to taking that country over or it's fun time in the mid east!
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» RE: Fairytales, you mean the ones like "torture works", "Iraq has WMD"?
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Posted by: Beck on May 2, 2009 6:08 AM
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» Yeah Beck, just support the Taliban by letting Obama bomb Af/Pak.
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» Why would Beck care? She's in her own stupid world.
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Posted by: 876 on May 4, 2009 12:38 PM
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This statement gives an absurd impression that the Taliban would be anymore a “Pashtun” movement than a Punjabi one. It was after all the Punjabis who took Arab and American funds to train and evangelize impoverished Pashtuns to work as a Punjabi proxy army in Afghanistan. It is still Punjabis who promote the Taliban to the detriment of both Afghanistan and the Pashtun minority they attempt to keep impoverished and uneducated. Your implications is simply off and your are no more than another westerner promoting ethnic divisiveness for your own good.
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