Too many Radio stations and TV channels in the hands of so few highly paid "Journalists".

Yeah. It's an old saying, but, it's got plenty of life in it.

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So they banned a rifle because, even though it was bolt action, it could fire the big scary .50 cal round. Good job fuckos. I guess I’ll just buy a .49999 caliber hunting rifle.

Richard Poplawski used an assault rifle?

The SKS Poplawski used has an 8 round non detachable box magazine that requires the shooter to reload one bullet at a time. This is the rifle that the Russians used during WWII. SKSs were not included under Clinton’s AWB.

When are they going to banned assault geese? How many geese have taking down airplanes compared to bolt action rifles?

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It's not just the right wing arming and heading to the hills ... It's everybody ... Including the Left ! It's because there is genuine fear of law enforcement, especially on the Federal Level and fear of a severe breakdown in civil order.

Get a clue ... this isn't just an economic recession anymore. This isn't just about Obama. This is about the fact that NO ONE is telling the truth ... NO ONE.

They can search your house, listen to your calls, monitor your computer, check your finances and question your employer and friends, arrest you ... all without a warrant ... wake up ACLU Members ... It's all personal now! Sure the Dems are in charge ... yeah now ... what about in 4 years?

While the MSM says the situation is under control people see their lives and their futures dissipate into hopelessness. Everything they have been told for the last 30 years, since Reagans"Morning in America"commercial was a hoax. The latest ruse is the Swine Flu Panic, as the Stock Markets are juiced.

They have Americans trained like Pavlovs Dogs, alternately peddling fear and hope until people are contented drooling idiots one minute and paranoid psychotics the next ... Is it any wonder people are snapping?

The misinformation campaign running through our corporate MSM is perfectly designed Disaster Capitalist Shock Doctrine propaganda ... And it is working ...

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…striking back at progressives in any way I can. I do not have a problem with gay marriage, abortion, green house gas regulations ect. But, If you try to take from me, I will use the ballot box as my weapon of choice against you.

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Where are the Real Investigations?

9/11 ... Iraq WMD LIES ... Iraq War Lies ... Contractor Corruption ... NSA Spying ... Torture ... Lender Fraud ... Wall Street Fraud ... and the list goes on and on ...

As these issues fester is it any wonder that Americans are turning to groups that say they have the answers. Is it any wonder that people are seeking out other people so that they may defend themselves and their families ...

So ... we have the rise of right wing groups that will have us demand that government take even more of our rights to protect us ???

We need answers ... We need justice ... Until We get both all bets are off ...

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All my friends think I am as liberal as they come. But when they hear that I own guns and I actually believe in the 2nd Amendment, the instantly paint me as a "gun nut" and a "right wing extremist." In no part, thanks to the kind of narrow-minded caricaturing that this writer exhibits.

I wonder if this writer has ever taken the time to understand the real gun culture, the one where Dad teaches you how shoot and respect a gun, the one where guys get together and enjoy male fellowship, the one where hunters are more "environmental" than most leftists because they really spend their time and money and resources to reclaim wetlands and overworked farmland.

Extremism is what this writer and others are so concerned about? "Elidism" is what this writer is all about.

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I came away from these events with a portrait of a heavily armed, tightly organized movement incited by right-wing radio to a fever-pitched resentment of Obama and his allies in Congress

Which is precisely the "portrait" you had going in, undoubtably. As for bazookas and grenade launchers, I imagine had you bothered to ask, you would have found that "highly sophisticated" weaponry as inert and unusable as the pinless and powderless WWII grenade my buddy's grandfather once used to show off. Funny how gun owners are always refered to as "nuts," but every article I've ever read in favor of more control begins with paranoia and ends in mass hysteria.

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When you cheered while Nixon went after all us DFHs (dirty f****** hippies) with "No Knock" drug laws, when his, then Reagan and both Bushes Supreme Courts eliminated out right to be served with a warrant before they come crashing through your door with guns blazing, the Second amendment became a bad joke for the mentally challenged.

What are you gonna do when the cops come? Ask David Koresh or anybody else who put up a fight at all - If you know a good medium.

If you fight back, they will kill you.

If you survive somehow, you will go to jail for a very long time - even if you were completely innocent, they had no warrant, the warrant was for someone else, because fighting back against the intruders is a crime in itself!

And what if it isn't the cops, but just some other thugs bashing down your door while shouting "POLICE!" ? How will you know the difference? If we still had a "right to be secure in our homes" you would know: If they are busting down the door, it ain't the cops.

So enjoy your silly little games; any dictator would laugh his ass off about em. Armed revolt? It would be smashed faster than you can say "burn em out." If it was really serious, it might take the US army.

Does anyone seriously believe that a bunch of paunchy, middle-aged nutcases can stand up to even the FBI, ATF and local law enforcement, much less the army?

That battle is over - you surrendered when you voted Republican.

Hunters are a different story - very few of them wear a Swastika armband when they are going out to pot a deer - or take a rocket launcher to do it.

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Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Sure.

In the meantime the bodies are just going to continue to pile up everywhere. Not just along the border and in the blood-stained streets of American cities, but in the Our Towns of Thorton Wilder's Middle America. Let's not kid ourselves, boys and girls; Columbine and Virginia Tech were merely nasty little sneaks preview of the social holocaust that's right around the corner. Do you think I'm kidding? The sad fact is that America is armed and dangerous. The next decade will see the trillion dollar shithammer hitting the fan and it ain't gonna be pretty.

I used to envy children. Not anymore. Not anymore.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
There Goes Arlen

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May the souls of the slain children haunt their dreams.

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Concentration camps run by liberal college grads? Now that's a scary picture...Imagine a living hell where your grammar is constantly corrected, being limited to a strict diet of organically-grown vegetables, being forced to wear fanny packs, and all women are required to have hyphenated last names?

I think a more humane approach would be to dig a moat around Texas, turn them all loose there, and tell their kids that they went to live on a farm where they can run free and play with other gun nuts.

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It's not the liberal who are endangering the NRA- it's those who are so Hell bent on destruction they'll take any excuse to start a panic.
These are the 'Charlie Mansons' of our times.These are the End of Dayers and the Neo Nazis.These are not groups the Liberals can rein in- this must come from those who respect the right to gun ownership and realize these groups put them in jeporady of losing teir right because of the extremeist ideologies and paranoia.
There are two types of End of Dayers- those who look for or 'see' signs and the then those who want to react to or Create 'signs'. Charlie Manson was in Category 2, and so are many who claim to be 'Evangelicals' these days. They should be actually called Armageddonists. Apparently God is a slacker and not meeting THEIR deadline.
As for the Neo Nazi's ...Well Clearly they beleive America was on the Wrong side of WW2, so American patriotism is not in their forte. they aren't trying to defend American Rights an dfreedoms- they are hoping to resurrect the Third Reich.Clearly they are ideological Traitors. so their concerns about Our Constitutional Rights is BS.They Hate US!Thus they pose a Clear and present danger to OUR Country as does AQ. You can not be a Neo Nazi and an American patriot- they are mutally Exclusive, as proven by the Greatest Generations effort to defeat the Nazi's.
As for the White 'supremeist'...Pray Tell what is your family heritage. Are you Irish- they were hated too, italian? Scotch?Polish? Russian? ...Every new group of immigrants were hated and vilified- stealing jobs, lazy, untrustworthy, drunks...The only reason they were able to assimilate and prosper is because some of the predominate group lent them a hand up. Lady Liberty still beacons 'give me your tired your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free'- there is no (*) excluding certian groups nor an expiratin date on her invitation. If you don't like it perhaps you should lobby to have her pulled down. Again proving You are Not an American patriot.

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If the right wing gun nuts really tried anything, it would be a glowing example of their stupidity. Just how successful would a rag tag bunch of gun enthusiasts spurred on by talk radio hosts be against the US army who are commanded by President Barry?

Remembering yesterday's story in Alternet, maybe the gun nuts look forward to THEIR families being raped and slaughtered by a bunch of drunken soldiers if they start a rebellion?

Maybe in the early days of the USA an armed population was a safeguard against supposed govenment excess, but the army now have armoured vehicles as well as guns - being heavily armed with guns didn't do much for Koresh and the Davidians, did it?

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Whenever any journalist talks about the right wing or the left wing, I immediately think that he either intentionally or unintentionally is distracting people from the actual class struggle that has been going on around the world from the beginning of time.
The struggle is between the everyday people living in this country and the elite powerful people in this country. You'll find them as members of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberger Group and the Trilateral Commission. they are the CEO's of the military-industrial oil complex. They are the private international central bankers like the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve Bank.
for more go to my website which is www.911insidejob.net

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While right wing neocons stock up on their guns and complain that the Left hates anything to do with them, I'm waiting for the watershed event. That being the moment when the ATF has to come in and take down another compound.

Here's the deal, right wing neocons out there. I'm as left at they come, own two handguns and am a former US Marine. I love my weapons, but I don't need to rely on them. I am not my weapons. You guys seriously think you ARE your weapons.

Right wing nutjobs rely on an external locus of control for their thoughts and emotional stability. This is precisely what religious wingnuts do. They have no internal locus of control.

So, again, I'm waiting for the next event where religious jackbooted neocons demand attention by firing on imaginary enemies. It'll happen soon. How do I know this? I just read a report that explains in detail why the most religious Americans are most likely to think torture is an important part of our 'foreign policy'.

There you have it. In black and white. Religious right wing brownshirted Bible-toting Christians with weapons. It's an equation that has blood written all over it.

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You can find a right wing nut face rethug type. It's good to see their sector being filmed this days instead of an ebonics speaking, black face, embarrassing the hell out of me, with commentary that makes no darn sense. Let the bigots do it for a change. Their stereotypes are so much closer to the truth. Obama doesn't want your guns, idiots. He's talking assault rifles. For years, your stereotypes have shown and said that these are street running gangbangers and druglords, weapon of choice. But as soon as there is talk about possibly being some government action, here comes the paranoid freaks and baffoons. Answer one question for me. What are you really afraid of, about Obama? That he'll do hella better then anyone with YOUR beleifs? That he will make you look bad? That he might actually fix this nation? That he might be loved by other nations who loathed the last administation? Well you can calm your nerves on that part. HE HAS ALREADY DONE THAT PART! lol

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It's a sad fact that most Americans know about the right to bear arms, but few can name a single right enshrined and protected by the First Amendment: Rights like freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and freedom of religion.

Let's stop obsessing about the 2nd amendment and let's start protecting our 1st, 4th, and various other amendment rights.

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The comments here show that we are all getting pretty loopy. A vicious circle that is being spun into a black hole of paranoia that will suck the light and life out of us all. Unfortunately history is full of periodic episodes of mutual self-destruction.

It's amazing that if a 'liberal' group had assembled in this way and said these things, during the Bush regime, they would have been surrounded by SWAT teams shooting tear gas into their midsts and beating them senseless with nightsticks.

The neocons would have been peeing themselves with glee as all their fantasies about the 'liberal anarchist' threat to their way of life would have been confirmed. Hell, they have to make up this kind of shit about us to justify their hatred of us when we're peacefully objecting to their violent ideology.

To see people, who outwardly look like hippies, but inwardly embrace everything the hippie mindset was warning us about, is surreal indeed. I was raised around guns too. I had my expert level of markmanship completed before I got out of highschool, but I still can't bring myself to obsess over weaponry like these people do. It's a usefull skill to know how to hunt or fight in case the need arises, but when weaponry becomes a fetish you've got some serious mental problems going on.

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I'm a big-time left winger; but, I own a weapon and am going to get a few more. When the armed insurrection begins I am going to be ready to take out a bunch of wing nuts before they get me. I spent almost 22 years on active duty in the military only to watch while the repugs and wing nuts tear our country to shreds and then begin talk of open rebellion to prevent any type of recovery.

Well, get your guns, you right-wing freaks. My family and myself will be ready when you come for us.

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If you have so much as a 22 rifle in Scotland it must be locked up at all times and the police will come by once or twice a year to check that it is. It seems that things have spun out of control in the U.S.A. Fear is the best sales pitch ever and this is surely one for Roger Rabbit. How many shootings a week now ??? The question is, will the U.S. recover before the war it has declared on itself becomes violent ???

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Remember the song? A typical expression of coke-induced paranoia. Currnently, the paranoia trigger is a combination of Bush-induced and still lingering fear, bad homemade meth and the always latent furriner-and-neegra-Angst of the great unwashed. Letting them arm up is the equivalent of giving male teenagers Viagra. It's a totally stupid thing to do and should be taxed to the max.

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Hi Everyone

I have long enjoyed target practice. I started shooting 22s at 4 years of age and now in retirement I still enjoy target shooting - SKSs. It is high time that the government STOP taking freedoms away from us, and start realizing that it is NOT what one has, but who has it which creates undesirable situations.

All legislation should carry a preamble of what its purpose is so it can not be used for other purposes for which it was never intended.

Iris89

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So, a bad week here for my family--my dad was admitted to the hospital for emergency triple bypass surgery.

Coming home for me is always politically difficult. After all, I'm the very embodiment of what my family fears: a single woman, avowed feminist, with a doctorate (they still don't really understand what that is, save to regularly point out that I'm not a "real" doctor or to ask me if I have any more "book reports" to write). I am also argumentative (re: feminist), which means I don't hesitate to tell them off when they start spewing their militia crap.

But I thought, under the circumstances, that politics wouldn't come up.

Foolish Ph.D.

Cuz, the boys bonded with my dad by discussing how white Americans got "out-niggered" (their word) by this election. (I was wondering if they knew the Orval Faubus reference there--I doubt it) that that "nigger" either stole the election or won because too many white people stayed home on election day.

Exhausted from traveling, worry, and no sleep, I just told them all to stop rather than argue the point.

But my mind keeps returning to it. Obviously, they "bond" with one another in their white supremacy--that's always been true of my family. But there's a level of unreality to this that shocks even me, a person who has a lifetime being around poor white men who think this way. I mean, what solution is there for people who are that out of touch with reality, so that in the face of reality, they can only see conspiracy? The contradiction between their delusion and reality actually fuels the rage.

What I mean is: if they believe that whites stayed home that day, when they see news reports of the reality--i.e. record voter turnout and a landslide victory for Obama--they then just dismiss that as "liberal media bias."

So, the gun bit? You can try explaining to them that gun control isn't even on the agenda--even show them clips of Obama saying it's not the right time for that politically. You can explain to them that Obama just passed tax cuts for 95% of Americans--they still think he's going to raise their taxes. Everything is a deceit, a conspiracy, a "nigger" in waiting ready to enslave all white people. And the rage is compounded by their sense that other whites around them can't see what they see.

AND, YES, when you hear them talking, you can hear phrases and talking points from Fox News, and Rush, and Savage, and so on...

Did I mention that my stepbrother made a point of mentioning that he was armed?

Ya know, in the f***** hospital?

Oh cheery day, time to return to it...

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"I witnessed the sale of rocket-propelled grenade launchers and bazooka guns;"

I think the author is embelishing here. I have been to plenty of gun shows and have NEVER seen these types of weapons. Why? Because your average "Joe" cannot own one. You need a special FFL (Federal Firearms License) to own something like that. You also need a special FFL to sell something like that.

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When you see a gun event it is only white faces, some booths with swatztickas and a lot of pick up trucks outside. If the gun nuts were anything other than another name for the KKK/Nazi/Republican Party their events would be a little more diverse. They are planning armed fascist coup. What are non-nazis going to do to stop them?

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I find it interesting that when George Bush & Co. were gutting our constitution Max was one the first ones there to point it out. . . Why then is he calling for more gutting of our constitution? The Right to Bear Arms. This Right, despite what Max would have you believe, is actually for the populous to have the means to overthrow their oppressors. Which Thomas Jefferson called not only a right, but a duty.

I am not calling Obama an oppressor. I voted for him, and think he is doing a pretty good job, and the last I heard he is in favor of leaving the Second Amendment where our founding fathers put it, and where it belongs. Who is to say that another George Bush should steal the election in 2012, someone equally dedicated to destroying our democracy and instituting a facist dictatorship, and Max and his ilk had prevailed and Un-Armed the populous. Who is going to stop them? Broad brushing the Militia as fringe-right-wing-wacko-Neo-Nazi's is more than just a little intellectually dishonest, and I would expect more from Max. It is like broadbrushing all the Jews as racist because when you visited synogogue you heard some of them talking about the Goyim, and how they would never allow one to marry their son/daughter. Sure those people are out there, but is it really fair, or even intellectually honest to broadbrush like Blumenthal has done in this article? The Militia was just as ready for George Bush to declare martial law as it is for Obama. They are for protecting our freedom, and our democracy, and even for protecting Max, despite his slander.

This really sounds like the Left wing version of the Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, "keep them divided so they aren't united and looking our way" mentality. What's next blaming the Mexicans for bringing us the Swine Flu?

I am a progressive who stands in favor of the Second Amendment of the constitution. As an American voter, I take very seriously the importance of being informed. I have seen some of Jones video's, and read the conspiracy theories mostly when I was younger. . . I'll be damned but our situation as a country right now sure seems like what they were talking about all of those years back, and daily is looking more so. . .and it is coming from the Right and Left.

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The comment about these people being afraid of Obama's success makes a lot of sense. These people appear to be on a scale of racism from everyday bigotry to screaming Nazism. Obama's presidency is a blatant denial of everything they believe about their place in the social hierarchy. Here is a black guy from a poor childhood rising by merit to the highest office in the nation. Talk about cognitive dissonance for a racist. They just can't deal with it. Hence the spittle-flecked ranting.

The other factor is an ongoing sense of powerlessness. A lot of people in this country feel as if they have no handle on politics or the economy or social change. It's a legitimate feeling, but while some people engage in political activism, others grasp for the power of death. Firearms have become the threatened veto of politics - unable to create or innovate, but (theoretically) able to stop the process and kill the participants. They may not have their hands on the steering wheel, but by god they have their foot poised over the brake. Perhaps a better analogy is a finger poised over the self-destruct switch.

What I fear is that this orgy of paranoia will culminate in another Oklahoma City type of event, perhaps our own Mumbai. The problem is that trying to preempt this sort of event is a catch-22. The racist paranoid wing of firearm fans will regard any gun control legislation or investigation of McVeigh/Nichols types as a provocation. It could become a vicious circle of law enforcement crackdown and domestic terrorism.

Perhaps Obama should take up target shooting with high-powered semiautomatic firearms. That would confuse them.

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The need for the ad hominem insult, "gun nut," in everything the left writes or says should tell the objective observer everything he needs to decide its merits.

Then, too, however, there is the seemingly desperate need to lie concerning virtually everything having to do with firearm weapons. Any objective review of anything published by those intent upon providing for increased violence by disarming prospective victims will demonstrate it, moreover.

And this essay is an example: review it for yourself, then look up the statistics. Find a logic site on the Internet or elsewhere, and compile a list of the logical fallacies here (starting with the Bare Assertion Fallacy).

When anyone feels the need to hurl insults - which prove utterly nothing - lie, and result to logical fallacy after fallacy, those more objective will know everything they need to decide concerning whatever the issue may be.

Rather than take this piece on face value, research everything it says. That will serve far better than any argument of mine.

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The "get your gun" scare did not start with Obama. It started with Cheney/Bush when they staged a false flag attack on innocent Americans, used the military anthrax for fear tactics, eliminated habeas corpus, wiretapped us, started rendition, legalized torture and crashed the budget bringing on the financial crisis. Just because Obama has not criticized these Bush actions very much - and it is suddenly Obama's fault?

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OK, ANTI's.
Actually the most acruate definition of an ANTI is anti EVERYONE ELSE'S POSSESSIONS.
Take away one of these hysterical neurotic's possessions/ringht and IT CHANGES IMMEDIATELY TO LOUD WHINING.

Check out these causes of death and let the Blumenidiotthals OF THE WORLD FOCUS UPON GUNS:

BANG BANG

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All this "stuff" has gone on since Bush took office. The so-called "FEMA CAMPS", Blackwater Compounds, the warrantless wire taps, FBI warrantless raids, the "Patriot Act", TORTURE, Training American Soldiers to "control" citizens on American soil, "extraordinary rendition" (kidnapping). And so much more.
So why was it okay under RIGHT WING REPUG RULE and only became "bad" when Bush left town with his tail between his legs to hide from his war crimes? Did all these fruitcakes live in a bubble for 8 years? What they really need is their own little country, Alaska?, Texas? to live in together and they can kill each other off. Or they can declare war against the United States and accomplish the same goal.
Talk about terrorists. I wouldn't want to be within a thousand miles of these racist, insane fanatics.

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I've heard this crap from these pistol-pussies and rifle-retards for so long I'm sick of it. I wish these assholes would just shut the fuck up and march on Washington, D.C. and tangle ass with the US government.

I would love to see that lame-brained, no-talent, piece of shit, hack Ted Nugent lead an army of brain-dead pistol-pussies and rifle-retards down Pennsylvania Avenue where whatever comic opera guard the US Army can put together on short notice could wipe the street with these clowns.

I hear this crap all the time from rifle-retards , "We need our guns so the guv'munt won't take'em." Wha??!!! Well, go right ahead, Mr. Pistol-Pussy. After "Commie Dictator" Obama marches the army down to NRA headquarters in Alexandria and confiscates the membership rolls to find to your house, please make his day. I hope you're feeling lucky, punk.

Another one I hear goes something like, "I gotta have my gun to protect my home." Aw, gee, Mr. Rifle-Retard what's the first fucking thing the b-and-e boys gonna go for? Your fucking gun. D'uh. The only things taken when my dad's house was broken into several years ago were his shotguns. Likewise when the home of a buddy of mine, who's a gun collector, was broken into the only things the punks went for were his firearms and a wallet.

A variation on that theme is, "I gotta have my gun to protect my family." From who???? From what??? The carloads of "Negro" and "Mexican" gang-bangers you imagine cruising up and down the streets of your lily-white suburb or the gravel road in front of your farm? Give me a fucking break! Do you sit with a pistol on your lap while you and the family watch TV, just waiting for a home invasion? Jesus Christ, grown up! The only one you need to protect your family from is you, asshole!

I've even heard these morons yammer on about how if they don't have their guns the "guv'munt" will take away their right of free speech, freedom of worship, assembly (though I think most of these racist fucks just want the right to assembly with whites only) and privacy. Whaduhya think the First Amendment's for?!! And if yer so worried about protecting your First Amendment rights, why doncha join the ACLU?!! Why throw your money away on NRA vice-president-for-life Wayne LaPierre's retirement fund? He's just gonna turncoat on ya when the "liberals" come for your guns, ferkrists sake!

If there's anything that all these pistol-pussies, rifle-retards, Rush Limbaugh-listeners, Ted Nugent-fans, Sarah Palin-skirt sniffers and Ayn Rand-cultists have in common it is an over-active imagination! I almost wish my fantasy life were so rich. Unfortunately the fantasy life of your average right wing nut is chock-a-block full of boogiemen, ghoulies, ghosties and "liberals" all bent on destroying the "American way of life," whatever the fuck that is! How pathetic it must be to be a badass wing nut and live in pants pissing fear 24/7.

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We found this on a convenience store bulletin board last fall in northern Michigan.

1) Ban use of firearms for home defense

2) Pass Federal laws eliminating your Right-to-Carry

3) Ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns

4) Close down 90% of the gun shops in America

5) Ban rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting

6) Increase federal taxes on guns and ammunition by 500 percent

7) Restore voting rights for five million criminals including those who have been convicted of using a gun to commit a violent crime

8) Expand the Clinton semi-auto ban to include millions more firearms

9) Mandate a government-issued license to purchase a firearm

10) Appoint judges to the U. S. Supreme Court and Federal judiciary who share his views on the second Amendment.


Now, there just have to be some NRA members here who could explain how this was come up with and why Obama is keeping it a secret, and not moving on it. For example, how does the NRA, but no one else, know that Obama plans to shut down 90% of gun shops? Where does this mysterious information come from? How are you so certain that Obama is going to ban hunting ammo? How will he do this?

Then you could explain if you automatically believe this, and why. And when it all has to come true. If it doesn't happen within one year, or two, do you admit you were wrong, and were duped? If it never happens, if he runs for reelection with not one move towards any of this, do you (bad pun alert) stick to your guns and keep believing it's all ABOUT to happen?

And then, NRA leaders, explain why you printed a pamphlet with this list and no explanation of where the information comes from whatsoever. I'm guessing it's the free trial membership on the back that includes award-winning magazines and some decals and NRA ArmsCare Insurance AND MORE!

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Out here where I live --35 miles away from any law enforcement, there are snakes and there are predators. I have a shotgun and I have a .45 semi-automatic. I have killed several rattlesnakes who were trying to bite me and I have killed a rabid coyote who was coming after my dogs and we have the occasional rabies epidemic for skunks and other animals out here too. ON ONE OCCASION, I HAD A GUN BATTLE IN MY OWN YARD WHEN SOMEBODY TRIED TO SHOOT ME ON MY OWN PROPERTY AND I HAVE BEEN SHOT AT BY VANDALS AND CRIMINALS SHOOTING AT ME. I HAVE TO DEFEND MYSELF BECAUSE BY THE TIME THE COPS GET HERE, I WOULD BE DEAD IF I DID NOT HAVE A WAY TO DEFEND MYSELF.

I AM VERY MUCH AGAINST PEOPLE OWNING FIREARMS WHO DO NOT KNOW HOW TO SHOOT THEM AND WHO HAVE NO TRAINING IN THEIR USE.PEOPLE NEED TO SEE WHAT FIREARMS CAN DO BEFORE THEY EVER PICK ONE UP. PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN TO READ AND WRITE AND THEY NEED TO LEARN HOW TO FIRE A WEAPON.

When you consider that I carried a firearm in the line of duty for twenty years and only pulled it ONCE when I held two burglars against a fence while I called the sheriff's department for back-up at about 1 a.m. in the morning. They had a truck full of weapons they stole when they broke into a licensed gun dealer's home and would have killed me had I not drawn down on them first. I am not a BLASTER or a HITMAN. I am just an ordinary citizen who thinks that WELL-TRAINED CITIZENS have the right to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. The MILITIA in the Second Ammendment refers to PEOPLE who have the proper military-like disclipine and training to handle firearms instilled into them -- NOT criminals, NOT yahoos who want to blast everything in sight, NOT unsupervised kids and NOT drugheads and drunks. RESPONSIBLE, SOBER,MATURE PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND HAVE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES, THEIR COUNTRY OR OTHERS.

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Tell us how YOUR fellow murderers murder and main all those women and children in the middle east.
Talk about daily beasts.
They are fucking cowards of the lowest sort.
ONE OF YOURS!!
Fucking low life golems.

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these weapons and also how dead people smell and look - it ain't the movies kiddies. Just the smell would wack out most of the assholes spouting off about guns. The dickheads in this video are inadequate weenies who think a gun makes them men. Sad motherfuckers who will die if they try any shit with progressive patriots who actually care about the Constitution and know that these idiot's god(s) are delusional memes believed by emotional children clinging to their weapons like the cowards they are.

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A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used to kill or injure in a criminal assault or homicide, an attempted or completed suicide, or unintentional shooting than to kill or injure in self-defense. (Kellermann, AL et al, 1998 journal of Trauma, 42:263-67)

In the U.S., 8 children and teenagers are killed, and more than 47 are injured, by a firearm every day. (CDC, NCHS, December 2006)

The risk of homicide in the home is three times greater in households with guns. (Kellermann, et al, New England Journal of Medicine, 1993)

The risk of suicide is five times greater in households with guns. (Kellermann et al, New England journal of Medicine, 1992)

A 1990 law banning the sale of "Saturday Night Special" handguns in Maryland was associated with reduced use of these guns by criminals, and a 9% lower rate of firearm homicides in the state between 1990-1998 than would have been expected had there been no law.

Policies that deny handgun purchases to individuals with prior misdemeanor or felony convictions are associated with a decreased risk of subsequent convictions. Misdemeanants who had allowed to purchase handguns prior to the passage of a California state law prohibiting such purchases had a rate of criminal offending 29% higher than that among misdemeanants who were denied handgun purchases after the law took effect.

Every day in the U.S., 8 children and teenagers are killed and more than 47 are injured by a firearm.

In 2005, 595 California children and youth under age 21 were killed with firearms and 1,554 California children and youth under 21 were hospitalized with nonfatal firerarms injuries.

One-third of U.S. children live in homes with firearms. Almost half of homes with children and firearms keep a gun unlocked.

68% of the attackers in school shootings obtained the gun(s) from their own home or that of a relative. 61% of the attackers used handguns.

Many young children, including children as young as three years old, are strong enough to fire a handgun.

In 2004, guns were used to murder:

5 people in New Zealand
37 in Sweden
56 in Australia
73 in England and Wales
184 in Canada

and 11,344 in the United States.

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Subject: HERE IT COMES!!!!!
4-30-09

More of the same under the table, media invisible bullshit that continues to mark the Repiglican and Democrit criminals in Washington D.C. Bailouts, changes in bankruptcy laws, etc. etc. What next?

HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009
Please send this to everybody on your list... this is Obama gun control by secrecy.

Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House.
This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.
We just learned yesterday about this on the Peter Boyles radio program.
Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under the radar.
To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You wi ll get all the information.

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

.It is registered
.You are fingerprinted
.You supply a current Driver's License
.You supply your Social Security #
..You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing
.Each update - ch ange or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25
- Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jai l.

There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.

The Government would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this..
http://www.opencong ress.org/ bill/111- h45/text

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For 20 years, we've lived across from two of the most frightened people I've ever met. They are proud of this, and think it very sensible, and the rest of us careless. They are afraid of burglers. I have been berated by them many times for leaving my front door unlocked when I'm in the yard. Our neighborhood has virtually no crime, by the way. They are always trying to get others to be as afraid as they are. The fact that nothing they warn me of has happened in 20 years matters not one bit. Apparently, it's still about to. To me, even if we robbed tomorrow, it wouldn't have been worth 20 years of fear. It wouldn't have been worth 20 years of fear even if it DID prevent something. Living in fear is a terrible condition, but some do obviously treasure it. And nothing ever happening is proof of nothing, as far as I can see.

Life has no guarantees. No one is really safe, no government 100% uncorrupted or uncorruptable, no system of economics will ever assure any safe future. All these different fears seem to have a lie behind them: What is going on right now is an aberration and can stop, and once it does, we'll all be completely safe.

We won't. Be normally vigilant, don't take pointless chances, but don't think that safety lies just ahead, or that living in fear and constantly stirring it up in others accomplishes anything. We really seem to believe that we're smart to the exact degree that we're fearful. That we're responsible to the degree we attempt to make others as afraid as we are. And apparently, that we're so special that although most humans throughout history lived through various upheavals, we shouldn't.

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Unfortunately, the "real gun culture," i.e. serious gun owners whose goals aren't stockpiling arsenals, has been hijacked by the extremist views of the NRA, who won't even tolerate common-sense gun regulations. The NRA continually complain, ad nauseam, that gun laws infringe on their right to own arms, which is ludicrous, and push the argument to ridiculous heights by stating that it is a ruse to take away their firepower. It's about time Congress woke up and closed the loopholes in the gun laws and banned assault weapons. Assault weapons serve only one purpose--killing people.

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Go to townhall.com and you will find that the author of this article is telling the truth. Comments posts to that conservative website are routinely full of braggadocio about the size and beauty of one's weapon, the extent of one's arsenal, the enormity of one's weapons cache buried in the back yard, and the robustness of one's intent to shoot up the government. A law that one finds inconvenient is reason enough to shoot a government agent sent to enforce that law (think: mountaineer on porch with rifle, challenging revenooer come to inspect the family still).

About two weeks ago a TV report said that in some communities the police can't get enough ammunition to conduct training and target practice. Why? Because the good ol' boys have been buying it up and stockpiling it. They have gobbled up every bit of fear-mongering thrown out to them by right-wing talk radio. They expect war to be waged on them by a black liberal president, and they are readying for battle. All in the name of patriotism, of course. Or maybe in the name of projection.

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We have a friend who's elderly and has become afraid of "intruders", so he bought a shot gun. We tried to stop the purchase. The guy's an alcoholic, has hallucinations, and has a tremor on his left arm.

He also has a "thing" about black people.

The next group of Jehovah's Witnesses that show up on his doorstep will likely get the taste of this guy's "right to bear arms". Of course, any criminal worth his salt will be able to disarm this fool faster than he can get too his weapon.

Nut cases, with the coming economic crisis we will have a large voter turnout. The 10 percent of gun wack job voters will end up being overrun by a law and order backlash, just like the anti war period of the late 1960s. A few more Rocky Houstons will be more than enough to trip public opinion.

Get ready. They're coming for your guns!!!!! Fight to the end! Shoot cops!

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I have arms not to hunt but to protect the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

FASCISTS HITLER BUSH almost took them away from you and me.

The fanatic RIGHT and their religious nuts are determined to turn the USA into a Religious Police State like Hitler did in German.

I say to bleeding heart kooks like you, face reality there are groups in the country that want to destroy the Bill of Rights and Constitution and replace it with the Ten Commandments.

These people are as kooky as you are.

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I may be a gun toter and I'm damn proud of it but without our guns, defending ourselves gets more difficult. If all you liberal gun grabbing nazis would quit kissing up to Wall Street and quit throwing people into wars and actually do your fucking job of protecting the public, then maybe we the people wouldn't be buying more guns, bazookas, sniper rifles, etc ... Keep selling us out and keep adding more homeless and unemployed people in the streets. We're gonna keep buying more guns and arming ourselves and then we're gonna gun down the motherfuckers in Washington and batter them until they beg for mercy ! It's time for more people to be TOUGH VIGILANTES and take the laws into their own hands. The government's already fucked the constitution ! So what's next, sit like sissies ? Adolf Hitler knew that Switzerland would have whooped his motherfucking ass because they were armed !

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If everyone thinks that the government is going to wipe out the population...why the heck are you all staying here? Why aren't you moving out of the country to save your skins? Fighting the best armed military in the world would be a no win situation, ya' think? All the rocket launchers, bazookas, assault rifes, etc. you can get your hands on can't beat an electronic plus that will render you a useless, deaf, rolling blob on the ground. Keep voting for those increases in defense spending and in a few more years they will be able to press a button and vaporize anyone they want. We created the monster by voting for politicians who spend much of our annual budget on a war machine with much of those funds going for secret weapons and black ops. Do you think your puny weapons have a chance?

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I have never been to a gun show so I don't know what is for sale at them but it sounds interesting. I wish to thank Max for the heads-up on the sale items. My seven year old son was asking about a bazooka after seeing one take out a German tiger tank and his birthday is comming up...
Hey Max, did you see any Winchester 30/30 saddle rifles there at that gun show? He would like one of those as well. John Wayne has one and John Wayne is cool- he shoots guns, rides horses and spanks girls so he can't be all bad. (My son has two older sisters)
So where does that leave us Max? Is my seven year old son a right-wing facist nutjob? He must be. After all, he has a cardboard box full of SUVs and a very old and very broken shotgun hanging on the wall in his bedroom. He believes that all the animals in the zoos should be freed to live their own lives as they see fit. What a radical!!! As a cub-scout, he is learning to leave no trace while hiking in the wilderness. Oh my God!!! What next?!?!? No littering? I wonder if his zoo animal philosophy could somehow be connected to your story? Naw. We're a lot smarter than the animals.

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We must never forget that the Rwandan genocide was started and coordinated by talk radio. We must also never forget that there were police riots during the sixties -- armed officers attacking unarmed protesters and innocent bystanders. We must also remember the misbehavior of the New Orleans police in the aftermath of Katrina.

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Your so called right to bear arms is going to destroy you. If the original meaning of that Constitutional right had been maintained you wouldn't have the problems you do now, instead the Supreme court changed those rights to something not ever envisioned by the framers. The idea that individual Americans need to own heavy military weapons that can destroy an aircraft is totally obscene. I've never understood why a country is so hell bent on its own destruction.

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What really baffles me is that you have Glenn Beck, et al spouting that fascism is coming and equate Obama to hitler showing segments of parade marches with SS goose stepping along and then these people seem to idolize the Nazi'z with their photographic memorabilia, swastikas and flags everywhere. So which is it? Are they afraid of a new Nazi regime or do they want to usher it in?

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What is it about America that we breed so many nut cases?

What would – or should – worry gun totin' paranoids more than the fear of losing their 35 cal. bedmates is if Obama adds to his cabinet a Department of Rationality and Logic. The way I see it, we need a department such as this as badly as we need a Department of Education –– which, of course, the gun-nuts are against as well. (No mystery why there ...)

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The only government administrations that take guns away from the people are RIGHT-WING Administrations. Obama is NOT RIGHT-WING. This post is RIGHT-WING PROPAGANDA.

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...TO THE HYPNOTOAD!

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When the Bush administration they was in power they declared they were taking the gloves off in the war on terror and unleashing the CIA with secret programs within the US. Many might fear the power of govt turned loose and working in secret. Now that Obama is in office there are others feeling the same way.
Everyone has an interest in keeping abuse of power from getting out of hand. Secret programs do not do this and if one administration can use them then another one will too.
It is not just a matter of deliberate attempts to do harm, having too much power can have a way of getting oneself in trouble and going overboard. One's biases can get in the way, mistakes can be made even when good intentioned if there is no careful oversight of programs. When things are done in secret freedom can be trampled on by over zealous people and then even worse things can be done to cover something up when it turns out they were wrong.
Laws have been made to protect the innocent and to protect enforcenment from getting carried away and hurting themselves and the rule of law in the process.
We all tend to empathize with those we agree with and objectify those we don't. Being angry about abuse of power or excessive force in Waco as an excuse for other innocent victims in Oklahoma City makes no sense. Even the idea of innocent victim is a kind of value judgement that gets applied to some and not others. There are innocent victims of 9/11 but collateral damage in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Our economy has been moving toward ultra-rich and ultra-poor and everyone is getting stressed by it. It is in everyones interest for society to aim for at least some safety net to preserve a general quality of life. This ia a fact of our interdependence, our symbiotic social environment, that is not marxism. Neither is a country deciding that resources such as oil on it's public lands should be developed by a national oil company for the general good, another country might prefer to allow private development, that isn't total government control either.
Some people such as some of the American Indians might believe there should not even be ownership of land.
Everyone, everywhere needs to be able to empathize with others and attempt to see their points of view. That doesn't miraculously solve problems but it is a necessary prerequisite. No one wants something forced down their throats by someone else.

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we finally just GAVE these people their own "country", probably the state of Texas as someone suggested. Then they would be with their "Dear Leader" and his not-so holy family and have all the guns they want and all the religion they can preach and all the fascism they so clearly desire. (What will happen with the "minorities" is anyone's guess. We'd better be prepared for a rapid influx of refugees. Maybe we could just return the Rio Grande valley area to Mexico.)

The citizens of Texas (except for Jim Hightower) would welcome them with open arms. (I lived there. They're nearly all NUTS like these critters.) Then they'd just be another apartheid country like the old South Africa and a pariah state to the rest of the world. That's okay. They want to be left alone.

So be it. These folks have bought into a bunch of wingnuts lies, but it's increasingly clear to me that the rest of us will never convince them otherwise. Let them go. They are a nuisance and perhaps a real danger to the rest of us as it is now.

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One day I asked him, "Put a sign in front, 'GUN FREE HOUSE'?" His reply, "You think I am crazy?"

In other words, he could be "moral" as long as someone else did his killing for him.

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I voted Obama, I'm all for socialized healthcare, I'm down with legalizing marijuana (though I don't smoke it myself, I believe that people should have the right to do so), the war on terror is bullshit, it should be easier to legally immigrate into the country, I'm cool with gay marriage, and you're gonna have to pry my rifle from my cold, dead hands.

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I am a GAY, extreme LEFT America GUN OWNING Liberal and I have 2 assult rifles and 3 handguns. I HAVE TO ASK: Are people as clueless as it appears? Do you NOT SEE THIS COUNTRY / WORLD IS slowing being ushered into slavery by the rich? THE STUPIDITY HERE IS UTTERLY AMAZING!!! Look around you! WAKE THE FUCK UP! As the Bankers and Wall St. (fully helped by Messiah Obama) bleed more and more as our economy crashes you will WISH you had a gun and knew how to use it. Do I like the idea of having to go to this degree to feel safe? NO. But GUESS who will be protected should all hell break loose -- THE RICH! Is that paranoid? NO. IT'S BEING FULLY AWARE and having the courage to change the things I can.

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Ever wonder why the word evolution is looked upon by so many people as phony at best or a tool of satan at worst? It has to do with the FACT of evolution. If you look at a picture of a human brain, you'll see the same thing, no matter who it is. At the upper end of the spinal chord is a mass which closely resembles a lizard's brain. This is no coincidence, and a lizard's brain is all there is-in a lizard. Our brains contain much more material, of course. Cognition, self-awareness, the ability to read and reason,musical talent, speech centers, and much more are contained in the human brain which began with all a lizard has, and expanded through the years (evolved) to ensure survival in an often hostile world. Merely possessing the material in your skull is apparently no assurance of an adroit and adaptive mind, let alone a good intellect. Just look at the gun freaks, for instance. All it takes to stir them up is mention of possible curtailment of their homicidal tendencies, or a humane and egalitarian form of government. In this regard, these boneheads missed the evolutionary bus, and are operationg on the lizard brain only.

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First of all, much of what these people are complaining about was instigated by the the Patriot Act, enacted by the Bush Administration. Yet these idiots are blaming Obama for it. Secondly, do these morons not realize what they're talking about is TREASON? Are they REALLY that STUPID to NOT realize this?

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He should take a couple years off and get a job. It would be good for him.

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at the center of the malestorm of paranoid hate and fear we find the ugly laughing face of Alex Jones, what a surprise.

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There was a scene in Men in Black where the alien lands next to a farmhouse and this useless redneck comes running out, mad because the alien crashed his spaceship on the redneck's truck. He has this big rifle and the alien tells him to put it down.

"Out of my cold dead hands," yells the redneck. "Your terms are acceptable," says the alien, and a claw grabs redneck by the ankle and drags him into the hole made by the spaceship, to skin him alive and disguise himself in the skin.

So why do gun nuts need to have assault weapons? To go hunting? Yes. To go hunting the federal agents that are going to come looking for them in black helicopters to put them in concentration camps. If you go hunting, why do you need a 50 calibre? How many assault rifles can be converted to full automatic fire? Anyway, the gun nuts cast doubt on their sanity by their statements and conduct. Crazy people have a right to free speech, but not necessarily the right to carry around and use deadly weapons. So people will have to learn to stand up to the gun lobby and enect fair gun control laws.

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Since the dawn of man and the development of society and governments. The priests, adepts and initiates, the elite, have ruled humanity(sheeple)with their secrets of the ages they claim to hold, which is nothing more than how to control and rule all those beneath them. These Adepts believe they are better than us and they, because of their knowledge, birthright and power, deserve to rule.
They believe "The Ends justify the Means".
Throughout history they have kept us divided and fighting amongst ourselves whether it be racism, ideology, Nazi vs Communist, the Left & the Right, Democrat or Republican, nothing changes or stops the march to the New Order of the Ages, no matter how many must suffer and perish. In fact we help to bring it about by our own apathy and ignorance. I am not scared of a few right wingers with guns I am scared of the few that have and will use governments to occupy, shoot, burn, gas, starve, enslave, murder and imprison hundreds of millions in the insane idea that these same men will build and rule a Utopia on this Earth.

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Maybe people are so sick and tired of Washington betraying them and for feeling powerless, who can blame them? If Obama and the Democrats would get their actual governing priorities straight, then maybe we'd have fewer paranoid gun enthusiasts to worry about. For example, why are Obama and Congress giving HR 676 or EFCA very little priority while are the same time giving more priorities to more bailouts for Wall $treet and getting ready to ruin and destroy the lives of the sweetheart civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan? Why won't Obama prosecute Dubya's gang for their crimes or even restore America's civil rights and liberties? Why does it have to take the ACLU hell just to make Obama release the torture memos? And why does Obama refuse to repeal the "Patriot" Act of 2001 and 2003, undo FISA, or even end the War on Drugs? There are other valid but nonpolitical reasons to attend gun shows. As for paranoia, try to answer the questions I provided or at least think about them and then you'll see why those people have been brainwashed into rightwing thinking.

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What you need to work out - is who is doing it to you.

Of course you are incredibly angry - and you are armed to the teeth.

But it ain't a Right Wing Vs Left Wing thing.

An Obama VS Bush Thing

A Christian Vs Muslim Thing

So there is no point in fighting amongst yourselves

But that appears to be the planned agenda

Some Cunt is winding you lot up something rotten

Instead of threatening each other with Armageddon - you should do some Research.

You could start by actually trying to find out the Truth of who was responsible for 9/11.

Cos most of you believe it was a bunch of bearded Muslims from the Middle East.

It Wasn't.

So there's no point in shooting Muslims.

And there's no point in Americans shooting each other.

First of all you need to determine who the enemy is.

Who exactly is Fucking You Over?

Cos sure as hell - some Cunt is.

Tony

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The last Democratic president to make it through two terms of office without banning any guns was Woodrow Wilson, I think. He may have tried too, as I can't find any references either way.

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First and foremost, we aren't "gun nuts" because we own a gun. Some people are gun nuts, those people who are obsessed with firearms, and stockpile them for the apocalypse or whatever it is they're afraid of...

The rest of us are just normal people. The rest of us may hunt for our food (yes, we hunt and eat the one or two animals we kill a year), some of us live in areas where large animals roam freely and are dangerous (you can't outrun a bear, sorry), and some of us live in very dangerous neighborhoods where home invasions are brutal and end badly unless you can quickly stop it (sorry, we don't all live in suburbs or gated communities and have full confidence in the police).

We are common sense people who own guns for a reason, and use them responsibly.

As for the actual gun nuts - they and their insane rantings will kill whatever is left of the second amendment. And yes, the second amendment is still important today, regardless of what everyone else has to argue about it. The fastest way to take over a country is to disarm it, and you can do that in two ways, take away weapons, and take away education.

This country is already on the verge of the United States of Idiocracy, we don't need to just hand over gun rights, too.

That said, most people agree to reasonable restrictions (who needs an assault weapon, really? Background checks are OK, honest) but will resist any further restrictions.

Most people in the government are resisting further restrictions also.

The far right and the far left (Of which I'm sadly a part of - well, I'm actually to the left of left, but whatever) are screaming in fear and paranoia over gun ownership, each on their end of the spectrum, leaving the rest of us shaking our heads and thinking WTF is wrong with them?

Wake up, people, try to see the views beyond your own nose for five freaking seconds, and come to a calm, logical conclusion that doesn't involve bunkers or bans.

Mkay?

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calling for an armed insurrection, it isn't just in the author of this article's mind! This is NOT about hunting rights, this is about a group of nuts calling for armed revolt because a Black Democrat is President. Wake the hell up!
Anybody would have to have their head stuck in the sand to not know that right wing hate groups ARE and have been a source of serious concern in this country for a long time. Just think Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph. Wingnuts in the media are fanning the flames everyday. Limbaugh called for riots at the Democratic National Convention. Ann Coulter says liberals should be beaten with baseball bats and tried for treason. Dick Morris says they're "traitors" who should be decapitated. Hannity said that "there are things in life worth fighting and dying for and one of 'em is making sure Nancy Pelosi doesn't become the speaker (of the House)." Liberal groups are often called "Nazi" or "Nazi-like" by O'Reilly. Savage says he'd "hang every lawyer" who tried to establish constitutional rights for Guantanamo prisoners, describes Obama as an "Afro-Leninist," and said the folks at Media Matters were "brownshirts." He describes Rep. Wexler as a "Nazi" and calls Nancy Pelosi a "Mussolini."
It's no wonder that books by these hate-mongers were found in the home of the home of murderer Jim Adkisson, who opened fire in the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church in Knoxville in 2008, killing 2 and injuring 6. Police found "Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder" by radio talk show host Michael Savage, "Let Freedom Ring" by talk show host Sean Hannity, and The O'Reilly Factor, by television talk show host Bill O'Reilly. Adkisson wrote in a letter "It was a simple plan, borne out of hopelessness but rooted in patriotism. The future looks bleak, I’m absolutely fed up! So I thought I’d do something good for this country — kill Democrats ‘til the cops kill me.” It seems that Faux Noise channel, through outright lies and disinformation, has made a point of fanning discontent into outright violence and anarchy by labelling our President and Democrats as Marxist, Socialist, and worse. Words such as those spouted by Faux News pundits have consequences, and if such actions were called for against Republicans, by any other station or a liberal, the right wing would be out with pitchforks.

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Do you trust the people with power? And I don't mean just with the choice on religion, sexuality, abortion, etc, but the power to end another person's life? Do you believe in a country of we, the people?

Another question, are words enough to reach any of these "gun nuts," or should the solution be simply to criminalize them and lock them up? To use the government as a weapon against certain people? Are you willing to tell a stranger who has not committed any crimes that unless she gives up a rifle that she will be arrested or even shot?

Or can we simply peacefully discuss matters without resorting to threats? Stirring fears is not the right way of passing legislation, people should have realized this by now. Never lose your view of another's humanity, even if you don't understand their views completely.

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they claimed all the stuff works.

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apparently works as effectively on the Left & Right in AmeriKKKa.

how the rich & powerful do laugh at you...


MOOOOOOOO

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All the guns in the world will not put down the American power structure no matter who is president........
If the right wing gun nuts want to revolt, they need to march on Wall Street, the real enemies of the state.To blame a Democratic president for all the ills, is pure cowardice.They should just stay in the woods and do target practice.

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We should remember our Founding Fathers were very progressive liberals by today's standards. To Max they'd be "Gun Nuts."

Mr. Blumenthal is dizzy with painting a picture that anyone who owns a gun is a radical right winger hell bent on destruction. If you're a Liberal who owns a gun you might as well be a gun nut also with underlying racism.

There is a ploy to argue that you can't be a liberal if you believe in the right to bear arms. They'll throw any canard they can to get you to align to this bullocks. More people die of Diabetes than guns.

His arguments are predicated on fear, getting you to believe most gun owners are violent, racist Anti-Semitic homophobes and that you are outnumbered by fanatics, when the reality is most gun owners are registered law abiding citizens. He, and others like him, use fear to radicalize your views on the subject, which in turn creates division and nullifies any common sense on the issue.

Having been to a couple of Gun shows it comes down to people being collectors. People collect things. Nazi memorabilia? They also have Russian, American and British items too. I for one haven't been to the same guns shows he rants about, nor would I want to. I sure they exist on the fringe, much like his bogey men.

You cannot legally own a handgun without being registered and you CANNOT own a automatic rifle without a federal license and heavy taxes worth more than the "Big Gun" is worth. People who go through the trouble to register and pay these heavy taxes aren't the problem, it's the people who don't, usually with guns under 50 caliber and unregistered over drugs. Ya, take guns away from everyone, including the Police. Let's make everyone victims so Max can sleep at night. His answer is to take guns from everyone ensuring only criminals possess them or criminalizing people who own them.

Want to reduce crimes committed with guns? LEGALIZE DRUGS! Want to stop gun rage killings? STOP MEDICATING PEOPLE WHO NEED PSYCHIATRIC TREATMENT WITH ANTI-DEPRESSANTS!

Since the government seemed intent on giving unscrupulous bankers a bailout that affected pensions, 401k's, city and state budgets do you think law enforcement is going to work for you when they can't be paid? With massive lay-offs. Face it, Liberals are buying guns in record numbers. We're talking the law enforcement that seems everyone as a threat or a "hippy, greeny, ni**er" that'll beat you down and taze you for the hell of it. Cops use tazers more than guns and that hasn't stopped people from being killed from tazers now has it. Visit YouTube and watch cops beat down old ladies, women, pastors and kids.

We need to worry about free speech, the freedom of the press, the right to assemble, unlawful search and seizures, Posse Comitatus and Habeas Corpus. When this is done then we can feel safe as citizens and worry about guns later, having solved these aforementioned issues.

Mr. Blumenthal is guilty of the same thing the minority of the right wingers do, peddling fear. If you haven't discovered that Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Malkin and the like are media entertainers, paid for and employed by a handful of Media Corporations then you live in a fantasy world. Their bosses are making money off of them.

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I spent 6 years in the Navy specializing in precision-guided anti-sub and anti-surface weapons systems including WMDs. I also walked the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and wouldn't own a firearm for 30 years. I've also attended a few gun shows in my time and agree that most attendees are fearful white people, usually conservative, who need firearms to feel less powerless.

That said, I decided long ago that disarmament starts with me. I also know that firearms themselves will not stop either military forces or police action. So here's what I did.

I have Google Earth loaded on my computer. I also worked in semiconductor processing and telecommunications so I can build any components I need. I also have the Bureau of Naval Ordnance's 3-volume set of Weapons Systems Fundamentals. So if it ever truly reaches the stage of armed insurrection look for the folowing from me:

1. Forming the Belen Model Rocketry Society. After all, until you put a warhead on it, a Tomahawk Cruise missle is just a very large model rocket.

2. Organizing the Samuel Brannan Memorial Committee of Vigilance. There is a long historical tradition of Vigilance committees including San Francisco, where I grew up.

3.Get copies of corporate quarterly reports and Google Earth Corporate HQs and the homes of their CEO's and Boards of Directors for the guidance systems EPROMS.

Because, if the current class war goes hot, I'll be bringing it to the doors and homes of the power elite. After all, gated communities are still open to the sky.

After all, who NEEDS firearms when you have GPS and Googleearth?

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My 18 Year Old Daughter went to the G20 Protests in London with her Camera

She wasn't going to Protest

She was going to take Photographs

She has selected 5 from over 200

And got the blown up to Poster Size

And she has Turned The Entire Scene into Black and White

Except The Posters

Which Are in Full Colour

One Of Them

Says

Put People First

If I wasn't retired I would try and hack the html to put that in colour

Tony

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... and oh, buy my Hitler t-shirts!

Yea, irony is less understood the further South one travels. ;p

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This is quite irrational considering that it was during the reign of Bush/Cheney when a top military official revealed that if there was one more "terrorist" attack they would then revoke the constitution and declare martial law. Which of course means no more right to bear arms. Why weren't these people rioting in the streets at that point ? It's unbelievably sad to see so many so self-defeatingly brainwashed by billionaire republican right-wing media.

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I think the whole "they're going to come try to take away our guns" thing is a giant psycho-sexual fantasy promoted by the NRA and conservative gun owners (and even some not so conservative gun owners). Spend a bunch of money on guns and ammo, and for the most part, you don't really have much use for them. Kind of a shame to see all that capital lying around unused...

In the meantime, the few boxes of bullets that I do own are now worth more than the stocks that I own. Wish I had seen that one coming.

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Is over.

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Who Should Resist, and Who Will Become Serfs?

A Scary Corporate Coup Is Under Way -- We've Got to Stop It

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Cowardly accesories for people who can't defend themselves otherwise, who are too fat and lazy to chase down and out wit their prey while hunting, giving the animals a fighting chance. Better to shoot them from half a mile away... or from an airplane. There is no great skill in being a great shot. Look at all the morons with guns in their trucks, homes, pockets, purses. Any idiot can get it down in an afternoon. I have no respect for people that rely on guns... if these feared scenarios come to pass, I'll rely on balance, quick wits and assorted blades, venom, arrows and spears. Most of these fools will shoot up all their ammo in the first six months, then nature will cull the herd.

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i should not criticize the above comments, because it is far superior to have a verbal bloodbath than stepping over bodies. however, angry thoughts and feelings [psychic warfare] always precede action.

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In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970 From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: > List of 7 items:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent.
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are
now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now
are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY.
Australian politicians are at a loss
to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience
and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control messsage to all of your friends.
The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.

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HE'S THE NUT. SCREW HIM AND ANY OF HIS CRAPPY ARTICLES

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Scary ain't it? Well, if the gun control nuts and Second Amendment denying freaks don't push their agenda too far, there will be nothing to worry about. But if they don't, they should be afraid, very afraid. Note that most active military, veterans and most law enforcement (many ex-miltary) support individual gun ownership. The left best leave this one alone.

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How many people die needlessly each year due to violent hammer deaths? Its time we enacted laws to restrict the use of these dangerous weapons.

In the words of a famous MC. You can't touch this.

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As drug-gang violence increases in intensity in the U.S and on its Mexico Border, U.S. gun sales skyrocket. Many Americans fear Congress will pass laws restricting U.S. gun ownership. Drug-Cartels threaten U.S. National Security by supplying illegal-drugs to gangs in approximately 230 U.S. Cities. It might prove more effective for U.S. Government to charge Americans with Terrorist-Activity that “knowingly sell” guns to NARCO-Terrorists or their drug distributors? Why should all gun-owners be punished for the illegal acts of NARCO-Drug-Distributors?

During the run up to the 1994 passage of The Federal Assault Weapons Ban, Americans as they are now, stampeded gun stores buying weapons. In 1994 before passage of the "Assault Ban" there wasn’t a legal definition what was an "assault weapon." Gun owners worried the “Ban” might include all semi-automatic firearms—guns that when fired—automatically extracted a bullet’s casing and reloaded the next round into the chamber.

Shortly after the 1994 Assault Weapons "Ban" passed, a member of Congress proposed a 1-Year shelf life for ammunition to stop Americans stockpiling ammunition: proposed that ammunition purchased by U.S. Citizens be biodegradable—self-destructing in 12-months. Subsequently that idea was shelved after dissenters pointed out forcing biodegradable ammunition on Americans would create a black market for foreign ammunition.

In 1994 as now in 2009, speculators were buying massive amounts of semi-automatic guns in expectation government would restrict gun-ownership. In 1994 gun-speculators got burnt: the Assault Weapons Ban included a provision prohibiting the sale or transfer of guns listed by government as “assault weapons.” It is problematic a new gun law passed by Congress might again include that transfer ban. Perhaps it would instead be more effective for U.S. Government to use current terrorist laws to charge Americans that knowingly supply U.S. and Mexico drug gangs with guns.

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is that there sure are a lot of freaked out and unstable people reading Alternet.
Thanks Alternet for posting Blumenthals garbage, and everyone elses, and making my corner of the chicken yard feel a little bit saner.
Sure glad I don't live in a major urban area anymore and am doubly glad I planted all those tomatoes and got my sow bred.
Pulled pork anybody?

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Lots of words wasted here about militias "defending the Constitution", but no one gave a single illustration to support the claim. Give me three examples in 250 years of this country's history and I'll believe teabaggers are honestly worried about country's integrity.

Militias were traditionaly instrumental to reactionary forces, against interests of "we the people". Examples abound: from linching the Negroes to clubbing the Okies in Hooverwills to joining Pinkertons in killing the laborers' families in Ludlow to harassing the freedom fighters and "hippies".

Not long ago these "enough already" right-wingers were merrily chanting "foour-moore-yeears" while the country was sinking ever deeper into fascism. NOW they're calling to arms, NOW they're asking Americans to topple down the legally elected government, government which hopefully might restore the country's self-respect and bring it to the international community of civilized nations.

These people are dangerous, not only because they are armed, but because they voted (46% of the nation!) for more of the same Bushit, ready to be led by reactionaries into destruction.

They are a disaster in waiting.

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Methinks these people will seize guns and threaten others (either directly or by import) because they have life-long power and control issues.
What excuse they are using this week interests me not at all - the link is folly,; they'd do it if Jesus was President.

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All this fear stoking is being done to distract the voters from the issues that really matter. If Obama were actually a real Democrat, would anyone give a shit about gun shows? I doubt it.

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...and many Americans are armed...and very dangerous. Weaponry and idiocy do not mix well together.

If only rational, reasonable, sensible, empathetic, logical, intelligent and aware individuals owned guns, then there would be no problem...but this is not the case! It seems that too many (not all!!!) gun owners are alarmists, criminals, ignorant, violent, indoctrinated (a/k/a brainwashed), irrational, apathetic, hypocritical, and/or delusional. This is a PROBLEM...plain and simple. To ignore this reality is plain foolish.

Even sheep that own guns need a shepherd. (Not that all gun owners are sheep, but many are. Just look how many right wing, gun owning ideologues there are in the U.S. for instance.) Who do you think could end up being their shepherd?

Here is something else to think about. Why do so many right wing, gun owning ideologues, who are supposedly scared of losing their freedom, tend to continually and blindly support the U.S. military? Can anyone see the irony? They have supported a military (along with the CIA, FBI, NSA and private military contractors) that can easily squelch any public armed resistance. How damn ironic!

It takes much more than a gun to fight for freedom and justice...it takes intelligence, awareness, sensibility, strength, courage, rationality, empathy and free thought.

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I bet you will be accompanying Odumba to Caracas for Hugo's next synagogue bonfire and running of the Jews.

Heil!

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At the gun show in Reno, I witnessed the sale of rocket-propelled grenade launchers and bazooka guns; I watched a California dealer demonstrate how rapidly he could field strip his .308-caliber sniper rifle, then stash it in a deliberately innocuous-looking backpack and a briefcase that "looks just like a camera case."

You could show us the sniper rifle dealer on video but not the bazooka and grenade launcher dealers? If you did see these for sale they were inoperable show pieces.

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Want to end gun violence? Taking away guns is not the answer. Changing our societal systems is the only way. Helplessness breeds violence. As long as we have people who don't have anything (and no hope of ever attaining anything legally) they will want to take it from those who do. Whether they have guns or butter knives, they will use them to take what they want or need. The US has such a high crime rate because we are all fighting over the scraps the rich elite feel like dropping on the floor. Below are three steps to cut down on the problem.
1. Take all the money out of activities that help to cause violence:
EX. Legalize all drugs & prostitution
2. Give people more options to change their lives:
EX.Spend just 20% of our defense budget on education to make
education through graduate school a right & not a privilege
EX. create a universal healthcare system
EX. invest in infrastructure by training & hiring 50% of the
people that lost their jobs to fix our ailing electrical grid,
bridges & roads, and to get us on a home grown,
sustainable energy source.
3. Allow everyone who does not have a criminal record or that is not mentally unstable to arm themselves to the teeth, but make sure they have to have extensive training in firearm safety and marksmanship.

When everyone can see that they have a chance to make their lives better, we will have a lot less people trying to take the easy way out.
With increased opportunity of making a living legally, decreased ability to do so illegally, and the increased likelihood that any would-be victim is a sharpshooter packing a 44-magnum, we would see a real decrease in violent crime all the way around.

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Wow, it's true...

Pot really DOES make you paranoid. :O

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This silly bastard wouldn't know a 'bazooka gun' if his little buddies ran one up his tailpipe.

Let's hope the militias do experience a resurgence, only this time underground, with real fighters who can do WHAT MUST BE DONE.

The only thing that will ultimately fix this mess is many expensive suits hanging along Pennsylvania Ave.

And I hope I have the pleasure of seeing this stupid bastard during "Liberal" season.

Don't understand? Start here:

http://willowtown.com/promo/quotes.htm

Think globally, fight locally. Aim small, miss small. One shot, one dead "Liberal"(communist/fascist).

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More garbage From the far left extremist numnuts..

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There is no evidence yet to hang the president yet. Consider how much of your "rights" you boneheads sacrificed with George Bush, the massive increases in prices of consumer goods, the fall of the bankster empire, which YOU are currently paying for, offshoring of all the jobs you simpletons are whining about. Let me guess, all of you are white, stupid, uneducated, kristians, militia types who only talk bad with guns in their hands. In short, maggots. All John McCain would have done by his own words is largely carry on the Bushworld. Americans are, without doubt the largest collection of halfwits on earth. Maybe This continent was settled by mental patients, and has been a colony of such since. Makes more sense than a nation of rational people.

tedbohne
tedbohne@yahoo.com

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You dumb bastard, re-read your idiotic expectoration and see where you made yourself look like an idiot. Not even the lack of thought behind the statement, but THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE STATEMENT ITSELF!!! Idiots and guns. Well, YOU'RE A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS!!

TEDBOHNE
tedbohne@yahoo.com

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take a look dimwit

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To understand the firearms issue is to understand class struggle.

But it is not enough to acknowledge the socioeconomic truth that the United States contains only two castes: the ruling class (the tiny, mostly hereditary aristocracy that owns or controls the nation’s wealth) and the working class (all the rest of us -- perhaps 90 percent of the population -- who must sell our labor to survive and are thus allowed no guarantee of life beyond our paychecks).

We also need to recognize we are deliberately fragmented into mutually hateful factions by agitation to which the working class has been subjected since World War II -- no doubt in fulfillment of the infinitely sophisticated propaganda and psychological-warfare doctrines developed by the Nazi war criminals the U.S. gleefully absorbed into government and Big Business.

Nowhere was this more obvious than in the conflicts of the Vietnam Era: a draft-exempt elite -- nearly all ironically of working-class origin -- boiling with contempt for those of us who served, a hatefulness continued to this day in the demand for forcible civilian disarmament. The concurrent clashes over reproductive and/or sexual rights have similar origins: scratch today’s rabid, woman-hating theocrat and you often find yesterday’s spat-upon veteran. By discarding class solidarity -- and by the venomous anti-intellectuality with which it now rejects analysis and ideology -- the U.S. Left not only reduces itself to powerlessness but ensures it remains easy prey.

Thus the ruling class will no doubt continue to foster such antagonisms until it deems the illusion of a squabble-torn bipartisan democratic republic -- an illusion that became strategically unnecessary with the death of the Soviet Union -- is also no longer tactically efficient. That such a reckoning is close at hand is indicated both by the unprecedented domestic garrisons of battle-hardened combat troops and the steady unraveling of the most recent ruling-class Big Lie: Obama’s promise of “change we can believe in.”

But despite the fury political controversies evoke, objective analysis would reveal that most so-called “social issues” are already lost causes. Democrat Carter abolished government-funded abortions in 1977; since then, reproductive freedom in the United States is determined exclusively by income -- the rich have it, the poor do not -- and the Democrat “free trade” votes (because of the loss of jobs and health insurance so inflicted) are as viciously anti-choice as any Republican’s overt anti-abortion vote. As to our Second Amendment rights, they were abolished by the 1968 Gun Control Act: the Supreme Court’s recent decision not withstanding, the post-enactment controversy is merely a debate over how to convert law to policy.

Hence my own prediction. As the magnitude of (long-ago scripted) Democratic betrayal becomes ever more obvious, the Left will become increasing infuriated. In response, Obama, Reid and Pelosi will toss the Left a final bone: fulfillment of GCA-68 by enacting the forcible disarmament proposed in HR 45, which would inflict infinitely prohibitive New York City gun law on the entire nation, instantly and permanently denying firearms to at least 65 percent of our adult population merely because they had been in counseling or therapy or were ever prescribed psychotropic drugs.

Which -- just as our need for solidarity reaches an all-time peak -- will shatter the Left even more deeply than it was shattered in the Vietnam era, dividing us again into two irreconcilably hateful factions: the smirking authoritarian pacifists cheering the national imposition of compulsory pacifism and mandatory victimhood versus those of us -- typically rural, blue-collar or labor-movement folks -- who were robbed of our basic human right to self-defense.

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