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U.S. Cities Increasing Use of Armed Mercenaries to Replace Police
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The United States is in the midst of the most radical privatization agenda in its history. We see this in schools, health care, prisons, and certainly with the US military/national security/intelligence apparatus.
There are almost 200,000 "private contractors" in Iraq (more than U.S. soldiers) and President Barack Obama is continuing to use mercenaries there and in Afghanistan and Israel/Palestine. At present, 70 percent of the U.S. intelligence budget is going to private companies.
This privatization trend is hardly new, but it is accelerating. While events such as the Nisour Square massacre committed in September 2007 by Blackwater operatives in Baghdad show the lethal danger of unleashing mercenary forces on foreign soil, one area with the potential for extreme abuses resulting from this privatization is in domestic law enforcement in the U.S.
Many people may not be aware of this, but since the 1980s, private security guards have outnumbered police officers.
"The more than 1 million contract security officers, and an equal number of guards estimated to work directly for U.S. corporations, dwarf the nearly 700,000 sworn law enforcement officers in the United States," according to the Washington Post. Some estimate that private security operate inside the U.S. at a 5-to-1 ratio with police.
In New Orleans, in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and the flooding of the city, private security poured in. Armed operatives from companies like Blackwater, Wackenhut, Intercon and DynCorp spread out in the city. Within two weeks of the hurricane, the number of private security companies registered in Louisiana jumped from 185 to 235.
In New Orleans at the time, I interviewed Israeli commandos from a company called Instinctive Shooting International as they operated an armed checkpoint on Charles Street after having been hired by a wealthy businessman. I also interviewed private guards who bragged of shooting "black gangbangers."
The abuses by private security guards in New Orleans and elsewhere has not to this day been thoroughly investigated. Moreover, the legality and constitutionality of the deployment of these modern-day Pinkertons needs to be seriously explained to the U.S. public.
Now it seems that some cities think it is a great idea to expand the use of these private forces using taxpayer funds.
The Wall Street Journal this week reported, "Facing pressure to crack down on crime amid a record budget deficit, Oakland is joining other U.S. cities that are turning over more law-enforcement duties to private armed guards. The City Council recently voted to hire International Services Inc., a private security agency, to patrol crime-plagued districts. While a few Oakland retail districts previously have pooled cash to pay for unarmed security services, using public funds to pay for private armed guards would mark a first for the city."
In a stunning development revealed late Wednesday night, Oakland dropped its plan to hire International Services Inc. after the firm's founder and two other executives were arrested on charges of defrauding the state of California out of more than $9 million in workers compensation.
Although this particular company may be going down in flames, that doesn't seem to deter Oakland's advocates for using private forces. According to the WSJ:
Ignacio De La Fuente, a city council member who led the drive to hire armed guards, said he will push to retain another security service. "There is still a very serious need for security in some of our more crime-plagued areas," he said. Before selecting [International Services Inc.], Mr. De La Fuente said, he and representatives of Oakland's police department interviewed security candidates and found nothing out of the ordinary.
Regardless of the specific company, this trend toward hiring private security companies is an ominous development. As it is, Oakland (and many other cities) have severe problems holding accountable police (and other law enforcement) for brutality and extrajudicial killings.
"Oakland, unfortunately, has had a history of treating the African American community unfairly," said George Holland Sr., an attorney who heads the Oakland chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "The community has a great distrust for police officers because they feel they can't be punished."
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Posted by: colinsyme on Apr 24, 2009 1:29 AM
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Posted by: joebanana on Apr 24, 2009 1:34 AM
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Or do they work on a shoot to kill, immunity will cover it, basis? Will asset forfeiture proceeds go directly to them? Are they "sworn"? Will they carry military assault weapons? Will they serve warrants? Will they need a high school diploma? Will they make more money, have better benefits, a retirement plan, in other words, will they be more "upper class" than the working shmoe that they control?
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 24, 2009 2:45 AM
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In other news: our votes are still being counted by wildly partisan right-wing companies.
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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Apr 24, 2009 3:44 AM
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FREE AMERICA
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Posted by: taxidriver on Apr 24, 2009 4:46 AM
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But, where's the accountability? Where's the local street smarts?
I have a police officer in my family, and she's good precisely because she grew up in my hometown. She's not a hired gun from outside, but a true citizen of her city who's just trying to keep the peace. And she's worth every penny of her health care, her future pension, etc.
Mercenaries on American streets? Insane.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 24, 2009 5:05 AM
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Didn't the Constitution say something about this in the Second Amendment? It's the part that the Right Wing always conveniently omits whenever they quote it. It's something about a "well regulated militia". It says nothing about a single individual owning a company that could conceivably make war on the citizenship if directed to do so by a misguided (or stupidly insane) president.
Call it a hunch but me thinks that the whole idea of Blackwater et.al. could be challenged in the courts as un-Constitutional.
Coddlin' Them Dictators
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Posted by: cactus on Apr 24, 2009 6:13 AM
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http://www.aclu.org/privacy/37293res20081022.html
Here in southern AZ at any moment you might be stopped and interrogated by the BP, CBP, ICE, DEA, ATF, FWS, BLM, FS, Sheriff's dept., local police, or DPS. Oh, and the Minutemen, they will stop and question you also but not on the main roads only on deserted backroads like if you're driving to a trailhead in the back-country. Of course we had the National Guard for a time and they may be back. I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI and the CIA were wandering around out here, too. Actually the FBI probably is since they handle major crimes on the Res.
IMHO there is something fundamentally wrong at the core of our culture that we believe we need to have such an overwhelming number of 'policemen'. I can't imagine how much all this 'law' enforcement must be costing us - not to mention all the prisons springing up to house dangerous criminals like pot smokers and garden variety immigrants. We have become a nation afraid of its own shadow.
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Posted by: Romantic Violence on Apr 24, 2009 6:14 AM
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Posted by: Cory.Goodman on Apr 24, 2009 6:14 AM
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Privatization of criminal justice IS the way democracy dies. At least police still operate under the idealistic notion of "to protect and serve". When corporations are more concerned about a bottom line that only grows based on NUMBER of arrests, the philosophy becomes "to punish and enslave"
When "private security" officers get paid more for arresting as many people as possible, to work in the prison farms owned by the very people who own the "security firms", we are in very real and serious danger.
Corporate police state incoming!
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Posted by: kindmuse on Apr 24, 2009 6:38 AM
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I can't see how 1,000,000 'dwarfs' 700,000? It's only 300,000 difference? But then in the same paragraph you say the ratio is 5 - 1? Now that would dwarf the number of police officers in the country. But 1,000,000/700,000 isn't a 5 - 1 ratio? For a 5 - 1 ratio to work with 700,000 cops, you would need over 3 million mercenaries. Now that would be cause for concern.
I'm just a little confused over your math. It would be nice if you could work on that a little better to make this article to make it more shocking. :-)
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Posted by: PrinceRobert on Apr 24, 2009 7:47 AM
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I am just as disturbed as the rest of the commentors on this article about the use or prospective use of private contractors in a full law enforcement capacity. If government agencies have money to hire private contractors, then they have money to put on more police. The history is dismal. Uniformed police are a relatively new thing, only being established in around 1880. Back then it was Pinkerton and, I think, Wackenhut that were hired to do the job and it was all muscle and guns with little attention to the Law. Pinkerton did the work that the FBI does now.
Ultimately, if this situation gets out of hand, I agree with several of the comments above. SHOOT BACK.
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Apr 24, 2009 8:12 AM
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We already have heard from Homeland Insecurity that they are watching returning Vets so who will they use against them? Our military may be sympathetic to go after their own. This country is really is very scary in how it is positioning it's self against it's citizens. I think they know that they have gone to far in to many ways (Wall Street,False Wars,Katrina,Spying on us,Bush election by the Supreme s just to name a few),to hide their corruption and crimes from unconscious six-pack Joe. Even six-pack Joe now seems to notice ans is stocking up on ammunition. Lets see what Eric Holder does, something tells me it will be far less than it should be and an open message that they are above any law we may have to be forced to follow.
Interesting and sad times.
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Posted by: kogwonton on Apr 24, 2009 8:19 AM
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When the Dept. of Justice was formed, just who do you think the U.S. govt. hired to fill those new government posts?
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Posted by: Dennis St. John on Apr 24, 2009 10:02 AM
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Regarding private security: I have been a prison guard and a private security officer for two different companies. Most security officers are poorly paid and poorly trained. Basically, the company just says here's your uniform and here's your post. These are McJobs: hamburger flippers at McDonalds know as much about the law and citizen's rights as security officers do. Private security companies hire and fire with monotonous regularity; the turnover rate is very, very high. As Scahill has documented, it is far more difficult to hold private security officers responsible than it is to prosecute cops and soldiers. At one place I worked, it was security officers who were committing crimes. When caught, they were simply fired.
Incidentally, private security guards can do some things that cops can't. Police need probable cause to search you, but if you are on private property such as a shopping mall, the security guards can detain you and search you at will. Something to think about.
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Posted by: Dr. P. Mooney on Apr 24, 2009 10:10 AM
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Just remember Blackwater and the intersection they were protecting in Iraq as their truck caravan was ready to drive through it. They started shooting innocent people and cars that happen to be unfortunate enough to be in that intersection when the Blackwater thugs were shooting at them. This will happen in our own country unless we stop it from happening. The police are going to have to decide just who's side they are on; the rich and corporate types or the rest of the citizens of this country?
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» THE POLICE, TOO, PROTECT MOSTLY THE RICH
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Posted by: sausage on Apr 24, 2009 10:42 AM
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Really, now, chicken feed in the overall scheme of things. Don't you think?
How stupid are these people, the Oakland City Council?
How long will this good deal with for cheap mercenary police protection last? Ten years? Five years? As the author Jeremy Scahill has reported numerous times, the incentive for our U.s. taxpayer trained All Volunteer Force killers to go into the mercenary biz is money. Xe (pronounced ZEE) nee Blackwater, Dyncorp, CusterBattles and the rest of the "private military companies" as a rule pay their employees better than had they stayed in service to their country. I mean $500 to $600 per day for greasing sand-n*ggers in Iraq is nothing to sneeze at, especially for the grunt making $20,000 from Uncle Sugar to do the same thing.
I'm also sure whatever mercenary company Oakland contracts with to provide police portection will absorb any profit losses in the short term in order to secure a long term, and much more lucrative, contract in the not too distant future.
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Posted by: ellie on Apr 24, 2009 2:36 PM
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we have thousands of unhappy vets within the veteran status who are government trained military who also know how to shoot back in urban settings...
think vietnam vets on up to today, how many million??? do you think violent organizations like blackwater and dynacorp will stand for vets who have the same training as their 'security advisers'??? easily this could turn out to be gurilla war tactics against such orgs...
one can only hope this fear of equally trained with assorted owner owned hardware gains the edge and pulls these orgs back to reason...
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Posted by: RickW on Apr 25, 2009 4:01 PM
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Or is it that "if one believes MOSTLY in free enterprise".......? If so, then who decides what should be public and what should be private? And why............
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 26, 2009 8:13 AM
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Reason no one really knows what the hell those Tea Parties were about was because confusion is exactly what they were intended to do.
Was it About Bank Bail outs..then why the Hell weren't they on Wall street with the others who've been protesting. Was is against Taxation without representation- then why the hell weren't they on KStreet? Was it about Gun Control, Then why were they not bitching at the NRA to demand they tone down the rhetoric to calm the sociopaths shooting the place up,Those who really endanger their rights and push the issue to the forefront of the national agenda. Anti Abortion- then go after the Pharms to develope a real male contraceptive.These Woman aren't all getting pregnant through AI.Until the 'Prolifers' put the Testicles on the table, then uterine rights are not up for debate or Gov't control.
Frankly the teabaggers should have been protesting the Neo cons for yankin' their chains for 3 decades.While the right has been worried about their hunting rifles, the gun manufacturers have been arming the criminals. While the Pro-Lifers have been protesting outside abortion clinics, the Corps have enabling the Johnny Apple seeds.While the Right has been bitching about Taxes, the corps have had Record breaking profits by price gouging.What you save in reduced taxes (so text books are antiquated and granny's eating dog food), These Corps see as increased revenues- Don't invest in Schools, buy that Big Screen made from Sweatshops in China instead!
The Teabaggers had no clear defined agenda, because the Corps didn't give them one.It's not Socialism that is infesting our country, It's Corporatism, The Privatization and Profiteering of all aspects of the Duties and responsiblities of our Democratic Governing Body.there is no difference between a Family Crest and a Logo, when it dominates and controls every faucet of public and private life.
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Posted by: bobtr900 on May 4, 2009 5:07 AM
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What exactly do they have in mind for us, as they continue to trash and thrash our culture, our democracy, our entire society. Is it a further extension of their culture of death for profits, their Theo-Fascism which will then lead to the Bush family New World Order.
The NWO is something both Bush41 and Bush43 have talked about on more than one occasion. Me thinks it will come about due to their greedily using up resources for corporate profits, and due to a world of diminishing resources, especially in oil/energy, water and food. Of course, paramount in their minds will be the continuation of their 'profit above all else' agenda, as well as rule by the very few over the many. This would seem to lead to a world in which there will be very little chance for hope due to no chance for upward mobility, and a world of very tight control over our populace and the world populace. Along with this will be that absolutely everything will be allotted and portion controlled, including oil/energy, food, water, education, jobs and medical resources.
We should remember that Scalia in his May, 2000 (semi private) speech called for the END of our Rule of Law AND the END to our American democracy. THAT IS WHERE THEY ARE HEADED!!! Of that, I have no doubt. These Repubs are deadly serious people. And as far as I can tell, they will stop at nothing to ensure their domination of and for business or NWO. Any group of people who will kill our troops and the Iraqi citizens for corporate/oil company profits will stop at nothing to get their way.
Of course Big Religion will have a major role to play. It will be used to control people and to keep employee work ethic alive in the hopes of a better life in the hereafter.
But what about in the here and now. Everyday life in the American Gulag will be tightly regulated by not only Big Religion but also Big Business as well. They will use security companies like Blackwater, owned by Erik Prince, a Catholic(my religion) and others.
Apropos of that last statement, on the Catholic sites I visit, about 70-80% of the posters think as I do, namely, that the Popes(John Paul II and Benedict XVI) have sold their souls as well as the soul of the Church to the Repub party. My pole numbers(70-80%) are not scientific but there are very few who posted differently.
I found it very interesting that seemingly large numbers of other Catholics were fearful of not only the demise of our society but were also very concerned with the demise of the Catholic Church AND the END of what I can only think to call, 'the reasonable Catholic Church'.
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Posted by: joebanana on Apr 24, 2009 1:34 AM
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Or do they work on a shoot to kill, immunity will cover it, basis? Will asset forfeiture proceeds go directly to them? Are they "sworn"? Will they carry military assault weapons? Will they serve warrants? Will they need a high school diploma? Will they make more money, have better benefits, a retirement plan, in other words, will they be more "upper class" than the working shmoe that they control?
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Posted by: warrior woman on Apr 24, 2009 1:35 AM
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 24, 2009 2:45 AM
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In other news: our votes are still being counted by wildly partisan right-wing companies.
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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Apr 24, 2009 3:44 AM
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FREE AMERICA
VOCA, NOW!!
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Posted by: taxidriver on Apr 24, 2009 4:46 AM
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But, where's the accountability? Where's the local street smarts?
I have a police officer in my family, and she's good precisely because she grew up in my hometown. She's not a hired gun from outside, but a true citizen of her city who's just trying to keep the peace. And she's worth every penny of her health care, her future pension, etc.
Mercenaries on American streets? Insane.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 24, 2009 5:05 AM
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Didn't the Constitution say something about this in the Second Amendment? It's the part that the Right Wing always conveniently omits whenever they quote it. It's something about a "well regulated militia". It says nothing about a single individual owning a company that could conceivably make war on the citizenship if directed to do so by a misguided (or stupidly insane) president.
Call it a hunch but me thinks that the whole idea of Blackwater et.al. could be challenged in the courts as un-Constitutional.
Coddlin' Them Dictators
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Posted by: cactus on Apr 24, 2009 6:13 AM
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http://www.aclu.org/privacy/37293res20081022.html
Here in southern AZ at any moment you might be stopped and interrogated by the BP, CBP, ICE, DEA, ATF, FWS, BLM, FS, Sheriff's dept., local police, or DPS. Oh, and the Minutemen, they will stop and question you also but not on the main roads only on deserted backroads like if you're driving to a trailhead in the back-country. Of course we had the National Guard for a time and they may be back. I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI and the CIA were wandering around out here, too. Actually the FBI probably is since they handle major crimes on the Res.
IMHO there is something fundamentally wrong at the core of our culture that we believe we need to have such an overwhelming number of 'policemen'. I can't imagine how much all this 'law' enforcement must be costing us - not to mention all the prisons springing up to house dangerous criminals like pot smokers and garden variety immigrants. We have become a nation afraid of its own shadow.
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Posted by: Romantic Violence on Apr 24, 2009 6:14 AM
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FTW
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Posted by: Cory.Goodman on Apr 24, 2009 6:14 AM
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Privatization of criminal justice IS the way democracy dies. At least police still operate under the idealistic notion of "to protect and serve". When corporations are more concerned about a bottom line that only grows based on NUMBER of arrests, the philosophy becomes "to punish and enslave"
When "private security" officers get paid more for arresting as many people as possible, to work in the prison farms owned by the very people who own the "security firms", we are in very real and serious danger.
Corporate police state incoming!
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Posted by: kindmuse on Apr 24, 2009 6:38 AM
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I can't see how 1,000,000 'dwarfs' 700,000? It's only 300,000 difference? But then in the same paragraph you say the ratio is 5 - 1? Now that would dwarf the number of police officers in the country. But 1,000,000/700,000 isn't a 5 - 1 ratio? For a 5 - 1 ratio to work with 700,000 cops, you would need over 3 million mercenaries. Now that would be cause for concern.
I'm just a little confused over your math. It would be nice if you could work on that a little better to make this article to make it more shocking. :-)
peace
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Posted by: PrinceRobert on Apr 24, 2009 7:47 AM
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I am just as disturbed as the rest of the commentors on this article about the use or prospective use of private contractors in a full law enforcement capacity. If government agencies have money to hire private contractors, then they have money to put on more police. The history is dismal. Uniformed police are a relatively new thing, only being established in around 1880. Back then it was Pinkerton and, I think, Wackenhut that were hired to do the job and it was all muscle and guns with little attention to the Law. Pinkerton did the work that the FBI does now.
Ultimately, if this situation gets out of hand, I agree with several of the comments above. SHOOT BACK.
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Apr 24, 2009 8:12 AM
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We already have heard from Homeland Insecurity that they are watching returning Vets so who will they use against them? Our military may be sympathetic to go after their own. This country is really is very scary in how it is positioning it's self against it's citizens. I think they know that they have gone to far in to many ways (Wall Street,False Wars,Katrina,Spying on us,Bush election by the Supreme s just to name a few),to hide their corruption and crimes from unconscious six-pack Joe. Even six-pack Joe now seems to notice ans is stocking up on ammunition. Lets see what Eric Holder does, something tells me it will be far less than it should be and an open message that they are above any law we may have to be forced to follow.
Interesting and sad times.
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Posted by: kogwonton on Apr 24, 2009 8:19 AM
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When the Dept. of Justice was formed, just who do you think the U.S. govt. hired to fill those new government posts?
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Posted by: Dennis St. John on Apr 24, 2009 10:02 AM
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Regarding private security: I have been a prison guard and a private security officer for two different companies. Most security officers are poorly paid and poorly trained. Basically, the company just says here's your uniform and here's your post. These are McJobs: hamburger flippers at McDonalds know as much about the law and citizen's rights as security officers do. Private security companies hire and fire with monotonous regularity; the turnover rate is very, very high. As Scahill has documented, it is far more difficult to hold private security officers responsible than it is to prosecute cops and soldiers. At one place I worked, it was security officers who were committing crimes. When caught, they were simply fired.
Incidentally, private security guards can do some things that cops can't. Police need probable cause to search you, but if you are on private property such as a shopping mall, the security guards can detain you and search you at will. Something to think about.
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Posted by: Dr. P. Mooney on Apr 24, 2009 10:10 AM
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Just remember Blackwater and the intersection they were protecting in Iraq as their truck caravan was ready to drive through it. They started shooting innocent people and cars that happen to be unfortunate enough to be in that intersection when the Blackwater thugs were shooting at them. This will happen in our own country unless we stop it from happening. The police are going to have to decide just who's side they are on; the rich and corporate types or the rest of the citizens of this country?
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Posted by: sausage on Apr 24, 2009 10:42 AM
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Really, now, chicken feed in the overall scheme of things. Don't you think?
How stupid are these people, the Oakland City Council?
How long will this good deal with for cheap mercenary police protection last? Ten years? Five years? As the author Jeremy Scahill has reported numerous times, the incentive for our U.s. taxpayer trained All Volunteer Force killers to go into the mercenary biz is money. Xe (pronounced ZEE) nee Blackwater, Dyncorp, CusterBattles and the rest of the "private military companies" as a rule pay their employees better than had they stayed in service to their country. I mean $500 to $600 per day for greasing sand-n*ggers in Iraq is nothing to sneeze at, especially for the grunt making $20,000 from Uncle Sugar to do the same thing.
I'm also sure whatever mercenary company Oakland contracts with to provide police portection will absorb any profit losses in the short term in order to secure a long term, and much more lucrative, contract in the not too distant future.
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Posted by: ellie on Apr 24, 2009 2:36 PM
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we have thousands of unhappy vets within the veteran status who are government trained military who also know how to shoot back in urban settings...
think vietnam vets on up to today, how many million??? do you think violent organizations like blackwater and dynacorp will stand for vets who have the same training as their 'security advisers'??? easily this could turn out to be gurilla war tactics against such orgs...
one can only hope this fear of equally trained with assorted owner owned hardware gains the edge and pulls these orgs back to reason...
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Posted by: RickW on Apr 25, 2009 4:01 PM
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Or is it that "if one believes MOSTLY in free enterprise".......? If so, then who decides what should be public and what should be private? And why............
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 26, 2009 8:13 AM
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Reason no one really knows what the hell those Tea Parties were about was because confusion is exactly what they were intended to do.
Was it About Bank Bail outs..then why the Hell weren't they on Wall street with the others who've been protesting. Was is against Taxation without representation- then why the hell weren't they on KStreet? Was it about Gun Control, Then why were they not bitching at the NRA to demand they tone down the rhetoric to calm the sociopaths shooting the place up,Those who really endanger their rights and push the issue to the forefront of the national agenda. Anti Abortion- then go after the Pharms to develope a real male contraceptive.These Woman aren't all getting pregnant through AI.Until the 'Prolifers' put the Testicles on the table, then uterine rights are not up for debate or Gov't control.
Frankly the teabaggers should have been protesting the Neo cons for yankin' their chains for 3 decades.While the right has been worried about their hunting rifles, the gun manufacturers have been arming the criminals. While the Pro-Lifers have been protesting outside abortion clinics, the Corps have enabling the Johnny Apple seeds.While the Right has been bitching about Taxes, the corps have had Record breaking profits by price gouging.What you save in reduced taxes (so text books are antiquated and granny's eating dog food), These Corps see as increased revenues- Don't invest in Schools, buy that Big Screen made from Sweatshops in China instead!
The Teabaggers had no clear defined agenda, because the Corps didn't give them one.It's not Socialism that is infesting our country, It's Corporatism, The Privatization and Profiteering of all aspects of the Duties and responsiblities of our Democratic Governing Body.there is no difference between a Family Crest and a Logo, when it dominates and controls every faucet of public and private life.
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Posted by: bobtr900 on May 4, 2009 5:07 AM
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What exactly do they have in mind for us, as they continue to trash and thrash our culture, our democracy, our entire society. Is it a further extension of their culture of death for profits, their Theo-Fascism which will then lead to the Bush family New World Order.
The NWO is something both Bush41 and Bush43 have talked about on more than one occasion. Me thinks it will come about due to their greedily using up resources for corporate profits, and due to a world of diminishing resources, especially in oil/energy, water and food. Of course, paramount in their minds will be the continuation of their 'profit above all else' agenda, as well as rule by the very few over the many. This would seem to lead to a world in which there will be very little chance for hope due to no chance for upward mobility, and a world of very tight control over our populace and the world populace. Along with this will be that absolutely everything will be allotted and portion controlled, including oil/energy, food, water, education, jobs and medical resources.
We should remember that Scalia in his May, 2000 (semi private) speech called for the END of our Rule of Law AND the END to our American democracy. THAT IS WHERE THEY ARE HEADED!!! Of that, I have no doubt. These Repubs are deadly serious people. And as far as I can tell, they will stop at nothing to ensure their domination of and for business or NWO. Any group of people who will kill our troops and the Iraqi citizens for corporate/oil company profits will stop at nothing to get their way.
Of course Big Religion will have a major role to play. It will be used to control people and to keep employee work ethic alive in the hopes of a better life in the hereafter.
But what about in the here and now. Everyday life in the American Gulag will be tightly regulated by not only Big Religion but also Big Business as well. They will use security companies like Blackwater, owned by Erik Prince, a Catholic(my religion) and others.
Apropos of that last statement, on the Catholic sites I visit, about 70-80% of the posters think as I do, namely, that the Popes(John Paul II and Benedict XVI) have sold their souls as well as the soul of the Church to the Repub party. My pole numbers(70-80%) are not scientific but there are very few who posted differently.
I found it very interesting that seemingly large numbers of other Catholics were fearful of not only the demise of our society but were also very concerned with the demise of the Catholic Church AND the END of what I can only think to call, 'the reasonable Catholic Church'.
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