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Neocon Fantasies of Empire Crushed: the New Global Reality
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Not long ago, excitement over American imperialism reached levels not seen in a century. "People are coming out of the closet on the word ‘empire,’" the right-wing columnist Charles Krauthammer told The New York Times in early 2002. Neoconservatives were on the rise in Washington, and their leading propagandists were not shy in making the case for aggressive expansionism.
Wall Street Journal editor Max Boot, for instance, took issue with Pat Buchanan’s belief that the United States should be a "republic, not an empire." "This analysis is exactly backward," Boot wrote. "[T]he Sept. 11 attack was a result of insufficient American involvement and ambition; the solution is to be more expansive in our goals and more assertive in their implementation." He added, "troubled lands today cry out for the sort of enlightened foreign administration once provided by self-confident Englishmen in jodphurs and pith helmets.”
It is hard to believe that those sentiments, hallmarks of George W. Bush’s first term, were features of our very recent history. The debate they were a part of now seems distinctly strange and foreign. Since then, the world has experienced a catastrophic occupation in Iraq, and voters have ousted the Republican vanguard of the "War on Terror." Overt defenders of imperialism have found good reason to creep back into their wardrobes.
And that, of course, is to say nothing of the bursting of the housing bubble, the fall of Lehman, and the end of the hedge fund era. With unemployment rising and Wall Street shamed, we have entered a period of economic downturn acute enough to raise serious questions about the viability of U.S. power. The pressing issue today is: How will the economic crisis affect our country’s role in the world? Or, more bluntly: Is America’s empire facing foreclosure?
The answer involves more than just quibbles over the semantics of U.S. dominance. Together, the fallout from the imperial hubris of the Bush administration and the discrediting of the deregulated market fundamentalism that thrived even under Bill Clinton have opened new possibilities for reshaping the global order in the Obama years.
The theory of imperial decline that has become standard over the past two decades is known as "overreach" or "overstretch." Historian Paul Kennedy most famously described the concept in his 1988 book, The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers. Kennedy argued that, historically, dominant world powers doomed themselves by engaging in overseas adventures that drained their strength and strained their finances. His analysis, with its implication that the United States could well follow the pattern of past empires, proved influential. The term "imperial overstretch" quickly became a fixture in mainstream political discussion.
At the time, American conservatives fumed. They argued that the British-born professor was a doomsdayer who did not appreciate America’s unmatched power. When the Soviet Union collapsed and the American economy took off in the 1990s, they considered themselves vindicated. However, it appears that Kennedy may yet have the last laugh.
Today, the price tag on America’s global military posture looks more imposing than ever. Even under President Obama—whose administration has proposed cutting a few costly and outmoded weapons systems -- the United States will spend upwards of a half trillion dollars per year to fund its armed forces and keep up its "Baseworld." This is what author and foreign policy analyst Chalmers Johnson named the country’s sprawling network of overseas encampments, rarely noticed by citizens at home but bitterly resented by much of the world. The United States officially owns 737 bases worldwide, worth more than $127 billion and covering at least 687,347 acres in some 130 foreign countries. "Once upon a time, you could trace the spread of imperialism by counting up colonies," Johnson writes in his 2007 book, Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic. "America’s version of the colony is the military base.”
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Posted by: FLYING DOOFUS on Apr 21, 2009 12:03 AM
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Posted by: DrBrian on Apr 21, 2009 12:15 AM
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So to answer the author's question about the best thing Obama can do: Have Kucinich made Speaker of the House, and then resign along with Biden. That should do it.
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» RE: Tooth Fairies and Magic Wands
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» Why do the losers think the winners should just resign?
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» Dennis Kucinich wasn't a loser for at least trying whereas Obama is making a loser of himself.
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» The problem is: the tide is NOT turning!
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» RE: Tooth Fairies and Magic Wands
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» RE: Choice three, run for office
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» RE: Choice three, run for office
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» RE: Choice three, run for office
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» The Trojan Horse ...
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» RE: You so called "progressives" if you just campaigned on your merits
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» Kucinich was shut out of the final crucial debates
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» RE: Kucinich was shut out of the final crucial debates
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» RE: Kucinich was shut out of the final crucial debates
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» RE: Kucinich was shut out of the final crucial debates
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» RE: The Best Thing Obama Can Do...
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» RE: The Best Thing Obama Can Do...
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» Get Thru This Step...
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Posted by: ZPaul on Apr 21, 2009 12:40 AM
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» Obama is a Globalist too ...
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Posted by: mmckinl on Apr 21, 2009 1:07 AM
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Obama is hoping Geithner, Summers and Bernanke can pull off a miracle here at home to get our economy at least sputtering along instead of rolling backwards down the hill.
The rest of the world blames the U.S. for the economic meltdown, and, they are right. Our housing bubble based bad loans chopped into little pieces have shown up all over the world.
The one thing the U.S. has going for it is that Europe and Japan are playing the same neoliberal games we are. They too are counting on colonial financing to leverage cheap commodity prices. They too need the IMF and World Bank.
The dollar isn't strong because we are healthy, it is strong because all the debt from developing countries is denominated in dollars... As soon as these countries can get away from these dollar loans they will do so. Then we shall see what the dollar is worth.
The American Empire is in decline by every measure ... the worst of it is that we are being eaten from within by the financial oligarchy and the politicians they own ... There is No planned deviation on our trip down the road to serfdom, there are no adjustments to our trajectory which means the path will be littered with failure ...
Britain managed to shrink somewhat gracefully from their Empire always knowing that they would be, if they cooperated, completely protected by the U.S. When the U.S. has to demure there is no Big Brother waiting in the wings to give shelter.
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» You know, it seems far more accurate to claim . . .
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» If Obama wouldn't be a capitulator to the neocons, you wouldn't have to worry about
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» RE: I am a progressive running for congress, Ca-10
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» I live in VA-10.
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» Running on the Raving Monster Looney Party ticket? (NT)
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» RE: You know, it seems far more accurate to claim . . .
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» RE: You know, it seems far more accurate to claim . . .
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Apr 21, 2009 2:25 AM
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I hope those of your who swallowed the Obama Kool-Aide platitudes are now realizing that this man is a corporate whore, bought and paid for by corporate pimps.
He has done little to be proud of on the progressive front and worse yet, he does not know what he stands for...say what you want about the Shrub and company...at least you knew what they stood for and what they were going to do to this country.
Obama, on the other hand acts like a wimp and tries to play nice, while they are eating his lunch.
Until people realize that this is a war for the heart and soul for this country and should be fought as such, the neoconazis will win, hands down. THEY do know how to fight.
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» Maybe someday YOUR candidate will come close enough to office
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» I'd stop being an arrogant Obama shill if I were you.
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» RE: I'd stop being an arrogant Obama shill if I were you.
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» RE: I'd stop being an arrogant Obama shill if I were you.
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» That's defeatist thinking based on unexamined assumptions.
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» RE: That's defeatist thinking based on unexamined assumptions.
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» You're the dipshit, buddy. Violence is and always has been at the core of political power.
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» RE: You're the dipshit, buddy. Violence is and always has been at the core of political power.
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» I used to think the Obama-as-messiah meme was just a right-wing fabrication.
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» The U.S. may collapse before the two-party mafia stranglehold is broken.
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» RE: Obama is Shrub-lite...
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» RE: I do not pretend to be 100% right...
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» The problem is
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Posted by: pfgetty on Apr 21, 2009 2:56 AM
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Yes, disastrous for the Iraqis and Afghanis, and for Americans fighting there. Yes, the wars have decimated our national treasury.
But for the Neocons, all of this is "so what?".
The wars were perfect successes!
We maintain control over Iraq, no matter how horrible it all has been for Iraqis. Huge bases that we can keep forever. The place is open for be corporate business. The oil is under control. There is more security for Israel.
In Afghanistan, we have huge bases and continuing war and a launching pad for even more war.
9/11 has been a success. They brought us 9/11, and their goals have been accomplished.
Don't like all of this? Then don't just yap and complain and whine. DO something about it. Alternet and the rest of the alternative media could quickly turn all of it around and get us completely out of those countries...............expose the lies of 9/11. Have many articles about the evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. The facts are there, and the work has been largely done: David Ray Griffin and Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan and Richard Gage and others have done masterful jobs at analyzing and proving the complicity of our government.
But Alternet ignores ALL of it, and has for seven and a half years, along with all of the rest of the media. Why? We don't know exactly. Pressures, threats, nobody knows.
But it is clear that there has been a conspiracy by journalists to avoid this topic. Seven and a half years, the biggest story of all time goes unexamined by the American press. SOMETHING is going on!
So stop yapping and start exposing, Alternet! Save the world you pretend to care so much about. Tell us what really happend on 9/11 and get a new investigation going.
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» RE: No, they were highly successful wars. No change needed. 9/11 worked perfectly.
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» Tarpley........
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» RE: Please endorse me for congress, CA - 10
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» RE: No, they were highly successful wars. The 9/11 CONSPIRACY Theorists
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» 9/11 COVERUP is a FACT - "9/11 CONSPIRACY Theorists" push the official LIES
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» Pointy! Sharpened your noggin lately?
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» Pointless GasBag Blows 9/11 Crock
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» Right Pointy. Silverstein conspired with the NYC Fire Commissioner to demolish WTC7
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» More Pathetic LIES from GasBag Troll (what surprise)
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» Right Pointy. Silverstein conspired with the NYC Fire Commissioner to demolish WTC7
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» More DC LIES from GasBag Troll
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» More right wing propaganda from an extremist anti-Semite and hysterical troll.
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» Racist GasBag LOON does desperate TROLL dance -- Can't face reality TROLL?
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» Pointman, I think it is just best to ignore these trolls
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» 911! 911! 911! PF_CONSPIRANOID WAS RIGHT! 911! 911! 911!
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» Was it good for you?
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» Osama Bin Laden confessed to 9/11 crimes many times in various videos. Ignore troll morons.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 21, 2009 3:14 AM
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Neocons don't do diplomacy. As you've probably noticed, neocons have severe problems with social judgment and impulse control. Even neocons don't like other neocons.
If you add their powerful xemonphobia, you quickly realize that neocons can't do diplomacy anymore than they could run a clean political campaign. It's simply not in their nature.
That's probably why we lost all our allies of consequence under Bush II. And world terrorism tripled. And our military is on its knees. And so on.
Of course, Obama vastly increased America's standing in the world merely by taking office, so one presumes he will at least have the option of trying diplomacy. Even if he's a neocon at heart, Obama may at least do the job somewhat competently. Despite complaints, appointing Clinton people to key offices was an excellent start.
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» The American people are complicit in our crimes of empire.
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» RE: The American people are complicit in our crimes of empire?
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Posted by: PointMan on Apr 21, 2009 4:03 AM
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The drawn out essay by the author above sheds nothing on a crisis of skin-deep faux “leadership”. There is even less light when it comes to answers to the present or future of a zombie American Empire gone stone mad and drunk on its own power.
Here’s the rub: The whole DC-media asylum is run by police state industrial felons that create phony “war on terror” and meltdowns to bail out their own "too big to fail" gang that created the insanity to begin with. By now it’s obvious the criminals that let “too-little-to-save” America burn under the mob fire they set only care for their own police state power grab. That’s all the reality anyone needs to know about the status quo “system”.
To see sellout corporate shill media hacks like the round table frauds on “Meet the Press”, etc, quack out their usual BS is the kicker. These are the worst of the worst – an entire roost of well-paid dirtbags where job one has got to be to keep Americans asleep, docile and mindless about their own future. STEVEN PEARLSTEIN “Business Columnist, Washington Post” is typical of what passes for a media “expert” on the latest Wall Street created meltdown and American power:
“You know, we can't, we can't rescue the economy without rescuing the banking system, and you can't rescue the banking system without rescuing banks. And people got to get over it, you know… But we ought to really--you know, if the banks are getting healthy, we should--that's a good thing for us. And we've got to get over this thing, "Well, if it's good for them, it's, it's bad for us." We are all in this together. We own the--part of the banks now, so as shareholders maybe we would be cheering the fact that they made a profit.”
Sweet huh?
So who cares that the whole private run “Fed” Corp “too big to fail” banking system is a Ponzi kickback scheme built to shake down the country? Who cares if that fraud has been proven time after time? Not the media. According to these tinhorn shills “we can't rescue the economy without rescuing the banking system” that is more crooked than a mob extortion racket. Never mind reform. Of course we should also forget that torture scam “war on terror” is another proven liar-fest for profit with all the rest.
Despite it all zombie Americans won't wake up. Not till it's too late. By then they'll agree to anything just so long as they can keep watching American Idol and Dancing with the Stars.
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» The Pearlstein Comment
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» RE: Zombie Americans Won't Wake Up
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» RE: Please support me for congress, I am running against the machine
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» Americans don't want to wake up because they'd see their own complicity.
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» Correction: "connecting the dots between our international crimes and our way of life"
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» Pearlstein's Comment represents mainstream opinion. Krugman advocates nationalizing of failing banks
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» "Pearlstein's Comment" represents Toxic Corporate media BS
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» One thing I noticed was the real solid data you used in your namecalling rant to support your claims
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» More BS from the Cult Marxist peanut gallery
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» RE: More BS from the John Birch Society Moron who deliberately spreads nasty lies and disinformation
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» Cult Marxist LOON says "FED" is Clean & Dennis Kucinich spreads "lies and disinformation"[ Uh-huh..]
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 21, 2009 4:36 AM
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As a "Lefty" this has driven me Wild for decades. In fact the so called Left has often aided the Neocons merely by acting as their nemesis.At other times they work in tantum but claiming different motivators.
Example 'Act Up' helped lable AIDS as a purely Gay disease-not a nation/international threat to the blood supply. the more the gay community screamed and yelled 'They're Killing Us' the homophobes Cheered, allowing Reagan to Ignore it on 'Moral' grounds- a 'Judgement' for 'deviant' behavoir. Act Up helped create a resentment and at time a revulsion against a Disease which threaten all of us.
Example- Lefty protests at the WTO organization fed right into the paranoid delusion of those on the Right of A new World Order Controlled by Global entiities - aka the Submission of the US to the UN. In so doing Our gov't could reject working with other countries in unison to stablize and secure the Global Economy- which we are.
Example- Corn as Biofuel. What better way to Prove Fossil Fuels have a lesser impact on Humanity than to choose a Food Source as the 'new' energy source. Not only did corn cause widespread starvation due to pricing and reduced supply, but also aided in increasing Fossil Fuels to produce it.Wasn't any one curious on the Left as to Why the Energy Corps were so willing to begin convertions, put these tanks in every gas station. How many times have we been duped by the release of a 'new' product, only to have it go Obsolete within a short period of time- How many ran out to buy Beta, only to have VHS replace it in a wink of an eye.
Heres another Area the 'left' should spend more time contemplating beofre they play into the hands of the right and Corps. Electric as the next 'Great' energy source.It's not just the fact Coal & Water ways is used to generate much of the Electricity, Also the side effects associated with Power stations and Power lines.There is some evidence to suggest a higher incidence of Brain cancer is found in the areas surrounding these. Even if we run them underground we must ask what the effect will be on the Soil quality and the organisms which aid us in agriculture.
There is a reason Obama is steering away from the Far Right & Far Left, Their 'passions' often lack real insight or forethought, potentially Beaching US on a Shore for Decades.
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» Corn should be used for FOOD not Fuel!
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» Corn fuel a "leftie" project?
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Apr 21, 2009 5:17 AM
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LESS THAN 100 DAYS.
What do you people want?
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» Yes, WWR?NHD?
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» We want the CHANGE we were promised!
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» RE: We want the CHANGE we were promised!
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» RE: We want the CHANGE we were promised!
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» RE: We want the CHANGE we were promised!
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» RE: We want the CHANGE we were promised!
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» RE: We want the CHANGE we were promised!
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» RE: We want the CHANGE we were promised!
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» RE: How Long?
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» RE: How Long?
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» RE: How Long?
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» I want the rule of law of law to be enforced, for a start, don't you?
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» There was NO "REGIME CHANGE" Mary Sunshine - Who do you think Obama works For?
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Posted by: snowhound on Apr 21, 2009 5:27 AM
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» RE: Military Complex
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Posted by: Ottomatic on Apr 21, 2009 5:27 AM
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It's hanging on a thread
Of empty promises.
Stand aside and watch it slide.
Move quickly
To higher ground
Cash in your Federal Reserve notes and buy your family’s FREEDOM.
Invest in a sustainable, renewable, green, organic tomorrow.
Become self sufficient, self reliant and efficient.
Start in your own backyard.
By planting heirloom seeds
In a Victory Garden
Grow some chickens
Develop a trade
Use that garage full of stuff
To help build the tools we need
To survive this socially deprived economic and environmental mess!
The New Model is: Decentralize and Revitalize.
Forget the grid.
It is the pathway to failure.
Pour the resources into your own homes instead.
Eliminate The Middle Man.
Join the Micro-Democracy Revolution!
Go Local
Go GREEN
Go Organic
SURVIVE and Prosper!
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Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Apr 21, 2009 5:29 AM
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Unfortunately, he has no power to do any of this without risking his life. If you are interested in understanding where I am coming from, go to my website which is www.911insidejob.net.
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» Getting desperate there aren't you Beck?
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» RE: Please support me, I am running for congress
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» RE: Obama is a Pawn of Federal Reserve, No Bilderberg Group..!
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» Grow up stupid.
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» Get a Clue & Grow up yourself Marxist LOON.
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Posted by: weathered on Apr 21, 2009 6:09 AM
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» RE: Obama is surrounded by rat-weasels
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Posted by: dover23 on Apr 21, 2009 6:30 AM
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In order to end this war responsibly, I will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. We can responsibly remove 1 to 2 combat brigades each month. If we start with the number of brigades we have in Iraq today, we can remove all of them 16 months. After this redeployment, we will leave enough troops in Iraq to guard our embassy and diplomats, and a counter- terrorism force to strike al Qaeda if it forms a base that the Iraqis cannot destroy. What I propose is not -- and never has been -- a precipitous drawdown. It is instead a detailed and prudent plan that will end a war nearly seven years after it started.
neocon what?
radical right what?
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» RE: March 2008, in his own words
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» It's better to post something this telling at the top of the threads.
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Posted by: FoonTheElder on Apr 21, 2009 7:04 AM
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The ultimate financier of the empire is now buried in debt without any financial security. His or her job was sent to China or India in exchange for political infulence in those countries. Those who still have jobs find that their wages have been worth less and less over the last 30 years.
The American Empire has been a boon to the top 5%, but to the remaining 95% it has been all cost and little benefit.
While our infrastructure and economy crumble, trillions are spent for an empire that benefits only the wealthy and powerful.
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» Yes, but...
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» RE: Yes, but...
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Posted by: peterjkraus on Apr 21, 2009 7:16 AM
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» RE: Obama's first mentor when he became senator was Joe LIEbermann.
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» No I will not support you. You are a Jew Hating drug addicted idiot. Who needs you??
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» Jew hating? Drug addict? No evidence of that. Besides, why keep Jane Harmon anyway?
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» There's no excuse for Lauren's bigotry and there's plenty of it...
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» RE: Solution
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» I've actually come to respect libertarians.
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Apr 21, 2009 7:51 AM
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Posted by: ak47blog on Apr 21, 2009 7:51 AM
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The dire situation now challenging America is a complete introspective 180 degree turn from anachronistic systemic failures correlating 19th and 20th Century policy with 21st Century events. Change is not going to happen any time soon.
Myth of American Invincibility Omnipotent Wall Street
http://newsblaze.com/
http://21stcenturyreversepyramid.blogspot.com/
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Posted by: chorton on Apr 21, 2009 8:07 AM
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No, we have some serious organizing to do, not least of which is building an alternative media that the millions will turn to, with our own foreign correspondents to give us a people's-eye view of the world. Even AlterNet readers are not well informed, as we sometimes discover. It has great writers, editors, thinkers; but imagine how the situation would be different if we were getting regular reports from AlterNet's South Asia correspondent, or better yet our own Pakistan correspondent? But as far as I can tell the alternative media are not yet even able to support a Capitol Hill reporter, as witness the fact that AlterNet didn't pick up on the House bill to authorize a naval blockade of Iran until three weeks after it was introduced and it already had 100 co-sponsors!
Obama is doing the right things for right now, lowering tensions, opening doors, defusing situations, and encouraging us to organize and develop the habit and ability to make ourselves heard in Washington. The test will come when we are able to *demand* more - with a voice that's millions strong, unity that is based on experience and good information, and a megaphone that can't be drowned out by Fox. (In this regard, making good use of the window Obama has opened to get the Employee Free Choice Act passed is absolutely key to laying the foundation for such a movement!)
When the time is right, Obama will either respond to our pressure and change directions, or we'll find a new leader. Perhaps he's only our John the Baptist; only time will tell. But even if it's the latter, we'll be building on ground he helped us prepare.
We have serious work to do for now: build the alternative media, inform, teach and organize the people, and build the pressure on Washington - and on Obama. As Joe Hill once said: "Don't kvetch, organize!" (Did he really say that?)
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Posted by: Lloydmillerus on Apr 21, 2009 8:14 AM
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"There is little evidence to suggest that either the U.S. Treasury Department or the international financial institutions are capable of nurturing a truly democratic globalization."
Just where does the author think "global democracy" would lead? Maybe Islamic totalitarianism. . . Western concepts of "democracy" and "individual rights" would certainly NOT BE ON THE AGENDA!
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Posted by: chorton on Apr 21, 2009 8:33 AM
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The crisis of Empire and of US hegemony will unfold rapidly, with unforeseen and dramatic turns of event. One thing can be predicted with some confidence however: other governments won't "decide" to replace the dollar as the world's currency; rather, there will at some point be a panic and a race for the exit!
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 21, 2009 8:46 AM
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RIGHT NOW friend and foe here and overseas, want to subject the US MILITARY personnel to indictment and prosecution by the ICC.
GERMANY AND ITALY have actually already indicted US CIA agents for supposedly capturing radical islamic terriorists.
This is an infringement on our SOVEREIGNTY and a dagger aimed at our US MILITARY.
As a result, they may soon want to charge our troops overseas whom are fighting against terriorism, with trumped up "war crime" charges.
Charges like claiming Americans committed genocide, or claim we committed crimes against humanity. There's a leftist group in Paris, plus Argentina, Sweden, whom want to charge Rumsfeld for allegedly authorizing torture at Guantanamo bay, and abu Graib prison in Iraq claiming 1984 convention against torture, which FRANCE has used in previous torture cases.
it's really time to put the UN on notice that the days where the USA would mindlessly supply it with money, men, military equipment and blood without conditions are simply over.
In fact the latest---the new UN SEC GENERAL has already stipulated he wants NYC police officers to serve in UN peacekeeping mission in places like haiti, kosovo, and liberia.
here is one more reason why
CLINTON IN 2000 gave his blessing to the whole globalist thing on the UN "INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT (ICC). The DEMOCRATS all along want to make US citizens SERVANTS TO THE UN AS OUR GOVERNMENT instead of a country governed by WE THE PEOPLE.
Thankfully Bush saw the serious threat this Socialist star chamber posed to our military and he told them to stuff a sock in it. Apparantly at that time the UN was insulted by it. Although the REPUBLICANS tried twice to negotiate immunity for US peacekeepers thru the Sec Council.
Well, the anti-Americans at the UN wouldn't have any of it and the Abu Graib prison gave Kofi Annan the opening he wanted. The he tried to wrap himself in the human right mantle by claiming it would be unfotunate for someone to press for such an exemption given the prisoner abuse in Iraq.
We all know that if Mr. Amman really cared a thing about human rights he would have protested the revolving membership of certain countries with human rights track records. However, the Sanctimonious UN and Annan are always silent on the topic of human rights; except when it comes to taking cheap shots at the US
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 21, 2009 8:49 AM
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THIS would for example entail that any USA person could be apprehended by local Muslim authorities for an offense, real or imagined slammed into the ICC and flown to the Hage, netherlands where they would rot for months waiting for trial and done ENTIRELY without due process. they would get not trial and no confronting of accusers, No protection from double jeopardy and no unanimous verdict for a conviction.
Take a second to THINK about this all of the globalists within and without the USA think the murderous Al Qaida terriorists should have these rights from way back before the 1990's and NOW... HOWEVER NOT OUR US SOLDIERS and NOT OUR US CITIZENS.
Even though we can't guarantee that no American soldier is ever taken prisoner by a foreighn state and put before the ICC, we at "least" make sure no US soldier and or civilian meets with this fate.
However, the ICC doesn't want to recognize the CONSTITUTIONAL rights that we as Americans are guaranteed. GET IT?? They too think our constitution is FLAWED.
Meanwhile the globalists Anti-American ICC supporters criticized Mr. Bush claiming we were "undermining international LAW, the reality, THEY were writing new INTERNATIONAL LAWS TO protect themselves.
RIGHT NOW --the GRINCHES at the UN want to create something called a TRANSNATIONAL TREATY where anything protecting our USA PUBLIC that happens in our courts that GOVERNMENT DOESN'T LIKE gets kicked out of court would be sent to THE UN whom will then OVERRIDE THE WILL OF AMERICAN PUBLIC and ENFORCE it's SHARIA LAW rule over this NATION.
Want to know WHAT were the "agreement on the Privileges and immunities of the ICC" ratified with the assent of ONLY 10 NATION--it flat out provides the ICC immunity from "every form of legal process anywhere".
**They stated that the "property, funds, and assets" of the ICC "shall be IMMUNE from search, seizure, requisition, confiscation, expropriation and any other form of interference. And, the ICC and it's assets they said "are to be exempt from all direct taxes" including local taxes and customs.
** Meantime they want to IMPOSE the GLOBAL POVERTY TAX which would most certainly bankrupt the USA; while they engage in the Socialist rhetoric of how we are "selfish" for not wanting to pay more taxes. This is their idea of spread the wealth. Notice the funds are always going someplace else instead of to the PUBLIC.
How many people don't know all throughout history the spread the wealth has always been used in facist/socialist/communist elections.
RIGHT NOW-- OBAMA AND DEMS are attempting to seek a seat at the SHARIA LAW UN and the DEMS want to PUT INTO EFFECT ---TRANSNATIONAL TREATY---what does thaaat mean?? it means anything that the PUBLIC decides in court that is beneficial to WE THE PUBLIC that the GOV doesn't like --it WILL get kicked out of all courts at all levels and be sent TO THE UN international court WHERE they will IMPOSE THE WILL OF SHARIA LAW/UN court on the AMERICAN PUBLIC.
OBAMA AND WASH DC SLUGS WANT TO once again endanger this country by FORCING the US under SERVANTHOOD to the U-NATION which is SHARIA LAW. This will DESTROY our CONSTITUTION and make it IMPOSSIBLE for the USA AMERICAN public to govern themselves. --always the bottom line isn't it??
Long and short of it----the ICC MEMBERS have declared themselves IMMUNE form "personal arrest or detention, Legal process of every kind and immigration restrictions.
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Posted by: willymack on Apr 21, 2009 8:51 AM
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1. Overseeing JUSTICE. That includes the prosecution of the bush crime family. This is something Obama cannot and MUST NOT run away from.
2. No more whitewashing of the crooked finaglings and continued theft of our money and futures by banks, mortgage cos., insurance and drug racketeers, etc. Some of these crooks belong in JAIL, and now.
3. Seizure of the "energy" companies, and impoundment of their assets. How many more times do we have to hear or read about record quarterly profits, while the enviornmental degradation they cause continues unabated? Progress toward energy independence and a cleaner enviornment will NEVER happen if they continue to have a free rein.
4. Get us the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan, NOW, and to hell with the phony baloney about the Taliban and Al Queda "threats" to our imaginary freedoms. Bin Laden is almost certainly dead, and was most likely NOT responsible for 911.
5. In conjunction with #4, pare down the military establishment to a managible size. Withdraw our military personnel from where they're not needed (or wanted). Remind knuckleheads like Saxby Chambliss that pissing away taxpayer money on overpriced crap like F22s is NOT the only way to a healthy economy.
The neocon slugs and their rethug stooges are striving mightily to destroy the Obama presidency, just as they did with Clinton. The truth is irrevalent with them, as they've already bragged about creating "reality" during bush's time in office. If they're allowed to, they'll eat Obama alive, and a promising prospect for real and enduring change will wither on the vine. Let's encourage our President while repeating our demands for justice and egality.
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 21, 2009 8:54 AM
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What hypocrites, it seems to run DEEP in the UN, but it indicates the lengths to which globalists will go to undermine National SOVEREIGNTY.
There's no mistaking it, the ICC SEVERELY undermines our Sovereignty and has over the years placed our troops at great risk.
It CLAIMS complete jurisdiction over every person in the world and it makes no difference to them whether or not that nation has even ratified the treaty.
And, FRANKLY our own constitution may soon be up to the interpretation of 18 foreign -and for the most part hostile-ICC JUDGES.
Long and short of it, the ICC is literally a dagger in the heart of our US SOVEREIGNTY, our freedom and our independence.
DO you want to know what the ACLU thinks about how 'STUPID' they view Americans. Here is what Norman THOMAS one of the Founders of the ACLU says QUOTE Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened.
What we need to investigate is how the DEMOCRATS and ACLU think that they can continue to count on Americans being as stupid as the ACLU thinks Americans are. So they can further their Soc/glob/marx/fac/comm agenda.
Prior to elections AND to present we repeatedly had to complain that our posts were stonewalled by sites because no one wanted to know the truth.
RIGHT NOW--there are signatures needed for the USA to take LEGAL AND LEGISLATIVE ACTION on behalf of USA BUT THE PUBLIC HAS TO GET TO IT
Go see American Center for LAW and JUSTICE
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 21, 2009 8:57 AM
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wanna? know the latest??? Michael moore made a progpaganda film where they attempt to bamboozle the PUBLIC by claiming CUBA'S healthcare is better than the USA ....and that the USA should go to the CUBAN model for healthcare.
WANNA KNOW??? what the reality is and whaaat they are really HIDING... the reality is in CUBA people have to BEG FROM TOURISTS for allergy inhalers and aspirin. You can bet if Americans are allowed to be bamboozled into Socialist healthcare DEMS will make SURE USA is WORSE OFF than CUBA.
According to the new stimulus if your child needs antibiotics and the GOV only wants to give them Asprin or NOTHING guess whaaat they will get ASPIRIN or NOTHING.
Whats worse.. if your/adult/child are X percent sick they ARE LEFT TO DIE.
Soc healthcare is MORE expensive AND gives NO HEALTHCARE. We are no scholar, but you don't need to be a scholar to SEE whaaat is wrong with the DEMS scenario.
DEMS LIED to claim our healthcare system is broken. SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE is MORE EXPENSIVE and gives NO HEALTHCARE.
PEOPLE, OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.
THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.
ALLOWING the DEMS socialize healthcare not only would prove expensive but DEADLY. Think about it?? DEMS WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY BUT DENY PUBLIC the meds and services it needs while GOV POCKETS THE CASH TO SPEND ON PORK.
don't ALLOW yourselves to be put off seek LEGISLATIVE and LEGAL ACTION TO KICK STIMULUS OUT AND BAILOUT. go see --The National Center for Public policy Research and American center for law and justice
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 21, 2009 9:10 AM
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Comment: LET'S TALK ECONOMICS--and what has led to our "meltdown"
prior to 911 when DEMOCRATS WERE IN OFFICE the Usa sent our law enforcement to Yeman to arrest Osama bin laden. The Yeman ambassador promptly got into a 'turf battle" with USA law enforcement to claim the USA LAW ENFORCEMENT was "infringing" on YEMAN ambassadors "turf".
So what happened OUR USA LAW ENFORCEMENTS WERE TOLD by DEMOCRATS--to go home empty handed. The DEMOCRAT Administration didn't know at the time their irresponsible actions had paved the way for terriorist to make plans and lay groundwork for 911.
The Wall Street journal at that time printed a small article on it and to the recent it has been discussed but apparantly NOT ENOUGH.
I submit for your reading NY Times 1999 - MUST READ!
Well, it???s about time, the mainstream ???brainwashing media??? is finally coming out with the truth on this meltdown???
I think if they would???ve come out with the truth right away instead of letting obama camp point fingers at the Bush Admin. THE Gallup polls etc would HAVE LOOKEDA whole lot different FROM RIGHT NOW!
I just hope the ???American People??? Get it ~ before it???s too late!
Look! The New York Times is catching up to the American people..it???s important for ALL Americans to know who is responsible for this Economic Meltdown we are experiencing???in fact, some of you might remember that I posted the notice from Bill Clinton himself [I posted again, what Bill said at the bottom of this post]
Who???s administration
caused the problem??? See below.
Amazing
foresight!! Take a gander at this while they try to lay blame for the whole meltdown???
9 years ago???this one is priceless and worth the read- right out of New York Times
September 30, 1999
where the DEMOCRATS admitted that faulty lending pracitces along with ACORN activities have brought use to the crossroads our Nation is today IN A CONGRESSIONAL/SENATORIAL INVESTIGATION
Bill Clinton knows who is responsible for this NATIONAL CRISIS!
PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON: “I think the responsibility that the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.”
SO here we have it DEMOCRATS BROUGHT ON 911 AND CAUSED OUR MELTDOWN thru their FAULTY LENDING PRACTICES and now are once again all for this FLEECING OF AMERICA thru this bailout bandwagon!
Just found out days ago that this bailout will derail the economy by encouraging businesses to engage in the same kind of IRRESPONSIBLE risky business practices knowing full well that when the irresponsible business practices are overdrawn the PUBLIC WILL once again be left PAYING FOR IT.
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Posted by: PaulK on Apr 21, 2009 9:17 AM
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If a human being is about to have a momentous crash, the human instinct seems to be to ignore the problem. So, the short-term solution to national insolvency is to go shopping for a new pair of shoes. Worry about feeding the kids some other day.
In the nation's case, we're currently shopping for a new war in Pakistan. That's what the beautiful people do! Remember to prop up all the insolvent banks and insurance companies with soft accounting rules, so that any property can be worth anything on the books. Hey, just last week the Bank of America had quarterly profits as large as Bernie Madoff's fund had in all of 2007.
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Posted by: maxfactor on Apr 21, 2009 9:28 AM
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Obama is playing a loosing game. Massive debt, inflation, poverty and half a trillion spending on something that has questionable return on investment - unlike spending it on education and healthcare. US cititzens are uneducated, malnourished and among the shortest people on this planet. Lack of language skills keeps them from discovering other truths than the silly flaggism/patriotism at home.
Raping a weaker country, meddling in internal affairs, paying off shady dictators does not constitute an empire.
Nobody fears an US empire - because there is none - unless you live in a manufactured reality.
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Posted by: weathered on Apr 21, 2009 9:37 AM
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See Israel for exactly what it is;a politica state by day, a religious state for tax purposes, an extradition-free refuge for its citzens who committ crimes elswhere, but always, the exhausting, manipulating and misunderstood victim that demands to be treated as the exception and always at the expense of others.
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Posted by: BulldogRedeemer on Apr 21, 2009 9:49 AM
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If anybody thinks the F/A-22 is an "out moded" weapons system, they have no comprehension of weapon system needs and their development time line. While not useful today in the asymmetric war against Islamic extremism, the F/A-22 will be vital in any future conflict with Russian resurgence militarism and the technological growth of the huge Chinese military machine. Such advanced capabilities act as a deterrance against military adventurism by potential enemies to America. It takes 20 years to develop a weapon system capability such as the F/A-22, so you can not wait until you need it to start building them. That is the lesson of the 1930’s and WWII. Except this time the two oceans, that gave America the time to make up for our defense deficiencies, will not be sufficient to protect us from such folly. We will never surrender, despite those who blame America advocating it.
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Posted by: maxsmart on Apr 21, 2009 9:51 AM
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It might be said that the military industrial complex will have to be pried from our cold dead hands.
Hopefully in the 21st century of global consciousness and the recognition of the fragility of our tiny jewel of life called Earth and the mutual interdependence of us all we may give up on this instinctive animal territoriality that we have mapped with our concepts of strategic dominance, US global national interests, acceptable collateral damage, with regard to our western colonial combines of military-merchant-missionary profiteering off of other peoples.
Expropriating the western hemisphere to stripe of its golden eggs and pollute with abandon after having polluted Europe and what do we do once we have gone round the entire planet and ravaged and polluted it all. Then I guess we go around again reravaging?
The western model is going to have to give way to the eastern model exemplified in the yin-yang symbol of a sustainable interdependence and an eco-economic system that respects our planetary environment.
To do this we must learn to coordinate body and mind, our instincts and concepts, in a more efficient and non-destructive way. If humans cannot accomplish this, a feat more important to our planet than going to Mars or Venus, we most likely will be the cause of our own extinction.
Mindfulness meditation has been explored in depth by Tibetans and other eastern traditions as a way to coordinate body and mind.
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Posted by: Adastra on Apr 21, 2009 9:59 AM
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For an illustration of the hard truth of this statement, we need only look at the doomed Athenian attempt to besiege Syracuse during the Pelopennesian War. The expedition to Sicily lasted from 415 to 413 BCE. It was a disastrous blunder. One of the chosen generals in charge of the expedition advised against it in the assembly, pointing out that a previous expedition had already failed miserably, that Sicily was far away, a large island with many great cities and that even if Athens won, they would hardly be able to hold on to so many cities, many of whom would revolt at the first chance.
But the citizens were carried away with patriotism and an absurd confidence. They knew Sicily is an island and they thought perhaps of the islands of the Aegean sea, small and mostly powerless. Why they had conquered quite a few of those already and many more had joined their league seeking Athenian protection against Sparta. Most of those voting had no idea how large an island Sicily really is, nor how many people lived there. They were anxious to strike against Syracuse, an ally of their enemy Sparta, and ignored the warnings that they would simply be starting a war even worse than the one already in progress against Sparta.
So they sailed with their two generals and wasted most of two years in unsuccessful campaigns in Sicily, ill-prepared, ill-equipped and ill-supplied, against a new enemy, well-prepared and aided by Sparta to defend their city. The war in Sicily ended with the crushing defeat of the Athenian forces, the execution of the two generals by the Spartans, the deaths of most soldiers of Athens and the enslavement of the rest.
The most recent reminder of this poorly planned mistake is the US effort in Vietnam during the sixties and seventies of the last century--although the ill-conceived invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan may yet surpass even that famous military stupidity before it's over.
And why all this stuff about a war that happened over two thousand years ago? Because a wise man once said, "Those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it." Lately it seems that most Americans, especially the politicians, can't remember what happened a few decades ago, much less two millenia ago. We may well be doomed by our failure to learn from the past mistakes of our ancestors.
Yet Athens still stands despite the defeat, while Sparta has vanished despite the victory. Many things led to Sparta's fall, mostly the hubris that came from a long and brilliantly successful military history. They failed to realize that the world's greatest military is more of a liability than an asset to any nation, unless handled very, very skilfully. We Americans seem to lack that skill. We should consider reducing our military to a force adequate to defend our nation and give up trying to impose our imperial ambitions on the rest of the world.
With love under will
Bob, Adastra,
The Wizzard of Jacksonville
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Posted by: richard0a37 on Apr 21, 2009 10:48 AM
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• In 2001, George W Bush did not become president of the USA by democratic majority vote as every other president was, but was instead ushered in by other means that were not democratic, but instead could be construed as a non violent coup d’état.
• The 2005 presidential election was riddled with accusations of vote rigging;
• Had eligibility not been limited to 2 terms of office, as you well know, George W Bush would still be president;
• If you watch any of the mainstream 911 videos on utube, there will not be the slightest shadow of doubt in your mind that the twin towers could not possibly have collapsed because planes may or may not have flown into them;
• Any official explanations for the absence of any intervention by NORAD and the FAA in the hour or so leading to the first explosion must be treated with total contempt and suspicion;
• The deployment of an entire military machine takes months, possibly years, to plan, organise and execute, yet the invasion of Afghanistan was launched on October 7th, less than 1 month after 911. How was this possible if, before 911, there was no possible motive for wanting to invade that particular country, yet when it did happen, the entire apparatus was put into effect in pursuit of just one man?
• According to your CIA fact file, poppy production in Afghanistan (the world’s largest producer) remains at an historically high level, while in 2001 prior to the invasion, production was at an all time low owing to the Taleban’s attempts to suppress it. How do you explain this, unless one of the motives for invasion was precisely this?
• Likewise, the 2003 invasion of Iraq is fraught with contradiction. None of the official reasons for the invasion has ever been proved or uncovered, yet foreign military presence is still very much in evidence. The invasion bears all the hallmarks of illegality that is not constitutional, and is morally reprehensible.
• How do the Authorities apprehend individuals who once held high office, but who no longer have immunity from prosecution? George W Bush and Dick Cheney and the rest of the inner sanctum in particular need to be questioned in open court about what they knew. There are numerous utube videos of George W Bush caught unintentionally or unwittingly making statements that couldn’t possibly be true.
• The US legal system is not the absolute power on this planet. There are higher ones. The absence of any apprehension of individuals leads me to think that the events of 911 and subsequent actions must therefore have been given the seal of approval by all international institutions that have stood to gain. For want of a better term, I would venture to suggest that the Bilberberg Group, which is international in its membership and allegiance, is in all likelihood, the true mastermind behind global upheavals that have been deliberately planned.
• A total mindset spans the whole planet and recognises no boundaries, either physical or political. Countries, nations etc are just another tool for controlling people. Members of Bilderberg have no allegiance to any country or nation. They just want us to think they have.
• The real tragedy of the human race is that everything of any real significance is driven by military conquest which at its base destroys and blights the lives of literally millions and millions of people.
• Until this changes, the world will never change or be any different.
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Posted by: kaelieh on Apr 21, 2009 11:18 AM
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Seriously, it's not rocket science. Repeating the same shit over and over again expecting to get different results is suicide.
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Posted by: tommy_slothrop on Apr 21, 2009 12:14 PM
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He eased up on Cuba. He met with Chavez. He told Israel to back off. He made diplomatic advances to Iran. He's started to tone down the anti-Russian rhetoric. How about we give him a few more months?
There's a lot that should be done that Obama hasn't done (dismantling NATO for one) but he's nowhere near as bad as Bush (damned faint praise that, I know).
Time spent writing your representatives telling them to sponsor single-payer health care legislation or actual reductions in military spending would be time much better spent than endless posts on Alternet calling Obama "Bush Lite."
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Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Apr 21, 2009 12:45 PM
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"Inside the Presidency
I fear the "Imperial Presidency" has become a reality. Our Presidents disappear behind the gates of the Forbidden City, isolated and advised by the thousands of eunuchs, never to hear the voices of the people beyond the waters of the Potomac. "
Ross Anderson, Sutter Creek, CA.
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Posted by: Ellen Remore on Apr 21, 2009 1:40 PM
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It's worth noting that while long-established corporations are finding themselves looking into the Abyss, those with big fat Defense contracts are humming along like a new Lamborghini. Coincidence? Maybe. Or maybe, having witnessed the rapacious Military-Industrial Complex stuffing itself like a Strasbourg goose in Vietnam, I'm just way too cynical.
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TR
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Posted by: xbj on Apr 23, 2009 8:22 AM
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As IF.
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Posted by: canadiana on Apr 27, 2009 2:18 PM
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There are no fundamental causes for a crisis being set up by Alan Greenspan; only that if he is wrong about the economy, people will blame him. But, what I read in that article was the unrelenting agenda of a group of individuals who decided sometime ago that the vast majority of Americans could be sacrificed so that a deserving business world could prosper relentlessly. And the writer's tone is telling: his admiration and reverence for the man and his world blinds him to that speck of grime: believing that the BigBusiness Alan and his 'family' created could love the world.It really showed me that seeing the world through his economic eyes created this current collapse; it was already our future back then.
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Posted by: kanekoa64 on Apr 29, 2009 9:03 AM
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Could it be all our little theories and panic attacks are a little premature considering he's showing a lot of promise all the way around?
An impressive amount of shit has happened some of us want to ignore,
but it doesn't change facts that we're heading AWAY from the precipice faster than we're going over the edge. Something of a change from the last administrations fiddling while Rome burned, telling the blindly faithful all was well, while the rest of us prepared for the collision of reality headlong into fantasy's front fender.
Can Chicken Little's on both sides of the fence try dropping the posturing long enough to be Americans, united behind a President who seems to actually give a shit about how this all might turn out, despite the insanity of his own countrymen?
I for one, look forward to it. I will bet against ALL nay sayers that your view is too narrow and the picture is forming of a United States we thought was extinct. Freedom will ring again.
IF WE WANT IT TO.
It actually takes a bit of work on our part, too.
I mean besides typing nasty crap at each other.
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Posted by: FLYING DOOFUS on Apr 21, 2009 12:03 AM
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Posted by: DrBrian on Apr 21, 2009 12:15 AM
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So to answer the author's question about the best thing Obama can do: Have Kucinich made Speaker of the House, and then resign along with Biden. That should do it.
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» Why do the losers think the winners should just resign?
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» Dennis Kucinich wasn't a loser for at least trying whereas Obama is making a loser of himself.
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» The problem is: the tide is NOT turning!
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» The Trojan Horse ...
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» Kucinich was shut out of the final crucial debates
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Posted by: ZPaul on Apr 21, 2009 12:40 AM
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» Obama is a Globalist too ...
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Posted by: mmckinl on Apr 21, 2009 1:07 AM
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Obama is hoping Geithner, Summers and Bernanke can pull off a miracle here at home to get our economy at least sputtering along instead of rolling backwards down the hill.
The rest of the world blames the U.S. for the economic meltdown, and, they are right. Our housing bubble based bad loans chopped into little pieces have shown up all over the world.
The one thing the U.S. has going for it is that Europe and Japan are playing the same neoliberal games we are. They too are counting on colonial financing to leverage cheap commodity prices. They too need the IMF and World Bank.
The dollar isn't strong because we are healthy, it is strong because all the debt from developing countries is denominated in dollars... As soon as these countries can get away from these dollar loans they will do so. Then we shall see what the dollar is worth.
The American Empire is in decline by every measure ... the worst of it is that we are being eaten from within by the financial oligarchy and the politicians they own ... There is No planned deviation on our trip down the road to serfdom, there are no adjustments to our trajectory which means the path will be littered with failure ...
Britain managed to shrink somewhat gracefully from their Empire always knowing that they would be, if they cooperated, completely protected by the U.S. When the U.S. has to demure there is no Big Brother waiting in the wings to give shelter.
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» If Obama wouldn't be a capitulator to the neocons, you wouldn't have to worry about
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» I live in VA-10.
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» Running on the Raving Monster Looney Party ticket? (NT)
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Apr 21, 2009 2:25 AM
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I hope those of your who swallowed the Obama Kool-Aide platitudes are now realizing that this man is a corporate whore, bought and paid for by corporate pimps.
He has done little to be proud of on the progressive front and worse yet, he does not know what he stands for...say what you want about the Shrub and company...at least you knew what they stood for and what they were going to do to this country.
Obama, on the other hand acts like a wimp and tries to play nice, while they are eating his lunch.
Until people realize that this is a war for the heart and soul for this country and should be fought as such, the neoconazis will win, hands down. THEY do know how to fight.
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» That's defeatist thinking based on unexamined assumptions.
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» You're the dipshit, buddy. Violence is and always has been at the core of political power.
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» RE: You're the dipshit, buddy. Violence is and always has been at the core of political power.
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» I used to think the Obama-as-messiah meme was just a right-wing fabrication.
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» The U.S. may collapse before the two-party mafia stranglehold is broken.
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» RE: I do not pretend to be 100% right...
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» The problem is
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Posted by: pfgetty on Apr 21, 2009 2:56 AM
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Yes, disastrous for the Iraqis and Afghanis, and for Americans fighting there. Yes, the wars have decimated our national treasury.
But for the Neocons, all of this is "so what?".
The wars were perfect successes!
We maintain control over Iraq, no matter how horrible it all has been for Iraqis. Huge bases that we can keep forever. The place is open for be corporate business. The oil is under control. There is more security for Israel.
In Afghanistan, we have huge bases and continuing war and a launching pad for even more war.
9/11 has been a success. They brought us 9/11, and their goals have been accomplished.
Don't like all of this? Then don't just yap and complain and whine. DO something about it. Alternet and the rest of the alternative media could quickly turn all of it around and get us completely out of those countries...............expose the lies of 9/11. Have many articles about the evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. The facts are there, and the work has been largely done: David Ray Griffin and Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan and Richard Gage and others have done masterful jobs at analyzing and proving the complicity of our government.
But Alternet ignores ALL of it, and has for seven and a half years, along with all of the rest of the media. Why? We don't know exactly. Pressures, threats, nobody knows.
But it is clear that there has been a conspiracy by journalists to avoid this topic. Seven and a half years, the biggest story of all time goes unexamined by the American press. SOMETHING is going on!
So stop yapping and start exposing, Alternet! Save the world you pretend to care so much about. Tell us what really happend on 9/11 and get a new investigation going.
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» Tarpley........
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» RE: No, they were highly successful wars. The 9/11 CONSPIRACY Theorists
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» 9/11 COVERUP is a FACT - "9/11 CONSPIRACY Theorists" push the official LIES
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» Pointy! Sharpened your noggin lately?
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» Right Pointy. Silverstein conspired with the NYC Fire Commissioner to demolish WTC7
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» Right Pointy. Silverstein conspired with the NYC Fire Commissioner to demolish WTC7
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» More DC LIES from GasBag Troll
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» More right wing propaganda from an extremist anti-Semite and hysterical troll.
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» Racist GasBag LOON does desperate TROLL dance -- Can't face reality TROLL?
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» Pointman, I think it is just best to ignore these trolls
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» 911! 911! 911! PF_CONSPIRANOID WAS RIGHT! 911! 911! 911!
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» Was it good for you?
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» Osama Bin Laden confessed to 9/11 crimes many times in various videos. Ignore troll morons.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 21, 2009 3:14 AM
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Neocons don't do diplomacy. As you've probably noticed, neocons have severe problems with social judgment and impulse control. Even neocons don't like other neocons.
If you add their powerful xemonphobia, you quickly realize that neocons can't do diplomacy anymore than they could run a clean political campaign. It's simply not in their nature.
That's probably why we lost all our allies of consequence under Bush II. And world terrorism tripled. And our military is on its knees. And so on.
Of course, Obama vastly increased America's standing in the world merely by taking office, so one presumes he will at least have the option of trying diplomacy. Even if he's a neocon at heart, Obama may at least do the job somewhat competently. Despite complaints, appointing Clinton people to key offices was an excellent start.
Right Will Eat Itself
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» The American people are complicit in our crimes of empire.
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Posted by: PointMan on Apr 21, 2009 4:03 AM
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The drawn out essay by the author above sheds nothing on a crisis of skin-deep faux “leadership”. There is even less light when it comes to answers to the present or future of a zombie American Empire gone stone mad and drunk on its own power.
Here’s the rub: The whole DC-media asylum is run by police state industrial felons that create phony “war on terror” and meltdowns to bail out their own "too big to fail" gang that created the insanity to begin with. By now it’s obvious the criminals that let “too-little-to-save” America burn under the mob fire they set only care for their own police state power grab. That’s all the reality anyone needs to know about the status quo “system”.
To see sellout corporate shill media hacks like the round table frauds on “Meet the Press”, etc, quack out their usual BS is the kicker. These are the worst of the worst – an entire roost of well-paid dirtbags where job one has got to be to keep Americans asleep, docile and mindless about their own future. STEVEN PEARLSTEIN “Business Columnist, Washington Post” is typical of what passes for a media “expert” on the latest Wall Street created meltdown and American power:
“You know, we can't, we can't rescue the economy without rescuing the banking system, and you can't rescue the banking system without rescuing banks. And people got to get over it, you know… But we ought to really--you know, if the banks are getting healthy, we should--that's a good thing for us. And we've got to get over this thing, "Well, if it's good for them, it's, it's bad for us." We are all in this together. We own the--part of the banks now, so as shareholders maybe we would be cheering the fact that they made a profit.”
Sweet huh?
So who cares that the whole private run “Fed” Corp “too big to fail” banking system is a Ponzi kickback scheme built to shake down the country? Who cares if that fraud has been proven time after time? Not the media. According to these tinhorn shills “we can't rescue the economy without rescuing the banking system” that is more crooked than a mob extortion racket. Never mind reform. Of course we should also forget that torture scam “war on terror” is another proven liar-fest for profit with all the rest.
Despite it all zombie Americans won't wake up. Not till it's too late. By then they'll agree to anything just so long as they can keep watching American Idol and Dancing with the Stars.
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» Americans don't want to wake up because they'd see their own complicity.
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» Correction: "connecting the dots between our international crimes and our way of life"
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» Pearlstein's Comment represents mainstream opinion. Krugman advocates nationalizing of failing banks
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» "Pearlstein's Comment" represents Toxic Corporate media BS
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» One thing I noticed was the real solid data you used in your namecalling rant to support your claims
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» More BS from the Cult Marxist peanut gallery
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» RE: More BS from the John Birch Society Moron who deliberately spreads nasty lies and disinformation
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» Cult Marxist LOON says "FED" is Clean & Dennis Kucinich spreads "lies and disinformation"[ Uh-huh..]
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 21, 2009 4:36 AM
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As a "Lefty" this has driven me Wild for decades. In fact the so called Left has often aided the Neocons merely by acting as their nemesis.At other times they work in tantum but claiming different motivators.
Example 'Act Up' helped lable AIDS as a purely Gay disease-not a nation/international threat to the blood supply. the more the gay community screamed and yelled 'They're Killing Us' the homophobes Cheered, allowing Reagan to Ignore it on 'Moral' grounds- a 'Judgement' for 'deviant' behavoir. Act Up helped create a resentment and at time a revulsion against a Disease which threaten all of us.
Example- Lefty protests at the WTO organization fed right into the paranoid delusion of those on the Right of A new World Order Controlled by Global entiities - aka the Submission of the US to the UN. In so doing Our gov't could reject working with other countries in unison to stablize and secure the Global Economy- which we are.
Example- Corn as Biofuel. What better way to Prove Fossil Fuels have a lesser impact on Humanity than to choose a Food Source as the 'new' energy source. Not only did corn cause widespread starvation due to pricing and reduced supply, but also aided in increasing Fossil Fuels to produce it.Wasn't any one curious on the Left as to Why the Energy Corps were so willing to begin convertions, put these tanks in every gas station. How many times have we been duped by the release of a 'new' product, only to have it go Obsolete within a short period of time- How many ran out to buy Beta, only to have VHS replace it in a wink of an eye.
Heres another Area the 'left' should spend more time contemplating beofre they play into the hands of the right and Corps. Electric as the next 'Great' energy source.It's not just the fact Coal & Water ways is used to generate much of the Electricity, Also the side effects associated with Power stations and Power lines.There is some evidence to suggest a higher incidence of Brain cancer is found in the areas surrounding these. Even if we run them underground we must ask what the effect will be on the Soil quality and the organisms which aid us in agriculture.
There is a reason Obama is steering away from the Far Right & Far Left, Their 'passions' often lack real insight or forethought, potentially Beaching US on a Shore for Decades.
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Apr 21, 2009 5:17 AM
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LESS THAN 100 DAYS.
What do you people want?
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» We want the CHANGE we were promised!
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» RE: We want the CHANGE we were promised!
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» RE: We want the CHANGE we were promised!
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» RE: We want the CHANGE we were promised!
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» RE: We want the CHANGE we were promised!
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» RE: How Long?
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» RE: How Long?
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» RE: How Long?
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» I want the rule of law of law to be enforced, for a start, don't you?
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» There was NO "REGIME CHANGE" Mary Sunshine - Who do you think Obama works For?
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Posted by: snowhound on Apr 21, 2009 5:27 AM
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Posted by: Ottomatic on Apr 21, 2009 5:27 AM
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It's hanging on a thread
Of empty promises.
Stand aside and watch it slide.
Move quickly
To higher ground
Cash in your Federal Reserve notes and buy your family’s FREEDOM.
Invest in a sustainable, renewable, green, organic tomorrow.
Become self sufficient, self reliant and efficient.
Start in your own backyard.
By planting heirloom seeds
In a Victory Garden
Grow some chickens
Develop a trade
Use that garage full of stuff
To help build the tools we need
To survive this socially deprived economic and environmental mess!
The New Model is: Decentralize and Revitalize.
Forget the grid.
It is the pathway to failure.
Pour the resources into your own homes instead.
Eliminate The Middle Man.
Join the Micro-Democracy Revolution!
Go Local
Go GREEN
Go Organic
SURVIVE and Prosper!
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Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Apr 21, 2009 5:29 AM
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Unfortunately, he has no power to do any of this without risking his life. If you are interested in understanding where I am coming from, go to my website which is www.911insidejob.net.
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» Getting desperate there aren't you Beck?
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» RE: Obama is a Pawn of Federal Reserve, No Bilderberg Group..!
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» Grow up stupid.
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» Get a Clue & Grow up yourself Marxist LOON.
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Posted by: weathered on Apr 21, 2009 6:09 AM
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Posted by: dover23 on Apr 21, 2009 6:30 AM
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In order to end this war responsibly, I will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. We can responsibly remove 1 to 2 combat brigades each month. If we start with the number of brigades we have in Iraq today, we can remove all of them 16 months. After this redeployment, we will leave enough troops in Iraq to guard our embassy and diplomats, and a counter- terrorism force to strike al Qaeda if it forms a base that the Iraqis cannot destroy. What I propose is not -- and never has been -- a precipitous drawdown. It is instead a detailed and prudent plan that will end a war nearly seven years after it started.
neocon what?
radical right what?
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» It's better to post something this telling at the top of the threads.
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Posted by: FoonTheElder on Apr 21, 2009 7:04 AM
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The ultimate financier of the empire is now buried in debt without any financial security. His or her job was sent to China or India in exchange for political infulence in those countries. Those who still have jobs find that their wages have been worth less and less over the last 30 years.
The American Empire has been a boon to the top 5%, but to the remaining 95% it has been all cost and little benefit.
While our infrastructure and economy crumble, trillions are spent for an empire that benefits only the wealthy and powerful.
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Posted by: peterjkraus on Apr 21, 2009 7:16 AM
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» RE: Obama's first mentor when he became senator was Joe LIEbermann.
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» No I will not support you. You are a Jew Hating drug addicted idiot. Who needs you??
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» Jew hating? Drug addict? No evidence of that. Besides, why keep Jane Harmon anyway?
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» There's no excuse for Lauren's bigotry and there's plenty of it...
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Apr 21, 2009 7:51 AM
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Posted by: ak47blog on Apr 21, 2009 7:51 AM
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The dire situation now challenging America is a complete introspective 180 degree turn from anachronistic systemic failures correlating 19th and 20th Century policy with 21st Century events. Change is not going to happen any time soon.
Myth of American Invincibility Omnipotent Wall Street
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Posted by: chorton on Apr 21, 2009 8:07 AM
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No, we have some serious organizing to do, not least of which is building an alternative media that the millions will turn to, with our own foreign correspondents to give us a people's-eye view of the world. Even AlterNet readers are not well informed, as we sometimes discover. It has great writers, editors, thinkers; but imagine how the situation would be different if we were getting regular reports from AlterNet's South Asia correspondent, or better yet our own Pakistan correspondent? But as far as I can tell the alternative media are not yet even able to support a Capitol Hill reporter, as witness the fact that AlterNet didn't pick up on the House bill to authorize a naval blockade of Iran until three weeks after it was introduced and it already had 100 co-sponsors!
Obama is doing the right things for right now, lowering tensions, opening doors, defusing situations, and encouraging us to organize and develop the habit and ability to make ourselves heard in Washington. The test will come when we are able to *demand* more - with a voice that's millions strong, unity that is based on experience and good information, and a megaphone that can't be drowned out by Fox. (In this regard, making good use of the window Obama has opened to get the Employee Free Choice Act passed is absolutely key to laying the foundation for such a movement!)
When the time is right, Obama will either respond to our pressure and change directions, or we'll find a new leader. Perhaps he's only our John the Baptist; only time will tell. But even if it's the latter, we'll be building on ground he helped us prepare.
We have serious work to do for now: build the alternative media, inform, teach and organize the people, and build the pressure on Washington - and on Obama. As Joe Hill once said: "Don't kvetch, organize!" (Did he really say that?)
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Posted by: Lloydmillerus on Apr 21, 2009 8:14 AM
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"There is little evidence to suggest that either the U.S. Treasury Department or the international financial institutions are capable of nurturing a truly democratic globalization."
Just where does the author think "global democracy" would lead? Maybe Islamic totalitarianism. . . Western concepts of "democracy" and "individual rights" would certainly NOT BE ON THE AGENDA!
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Posted by: chorton on Apr 21, 2009 8:33 AM
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The crisis of Empire and of US hegemony will unfold rapidly, with unforeseen and dramatic turns of event. One thing can be predicted with some confidence however: other governments won't "decide" to replace the dollar as the world's currency; rather, there will at some point be a panic and a race for the exit!
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 21, 2009 8:46 AM
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RIGHT NOW friend and foe here and overseas, want to subject the US MILITARY personnel to indictment and prosecution by the ICC.
GERMANY AND ITALY have actually already indicted US CIA agents for supposedly capturing radical islamic terriorists.
This is an infringement on our SOVEREIGNTY and a dagger aimed at our US MILITARY.
As a result, they may soon want to charge our troops overseas whom are fighting against terriorism, with trumped up "war crime" charges.
Charges like claiming Americans committed genocide, or claim we committed crimes against humanity. There's a leftist group in Paris, plus Argentina, Sweden, whom want to charge Rumsfeld for allegedly authorizing torture at Guantanamo bay, and abu Graib prison in Iraq claiming 1984 convention against torture, which FRANCE has used in previous torture cases.
it's really time to put the UN on notice that the days where the USA would mindlessly supply it with money, men, military equipment and blood without conditions are simply over.
In fact the latest---the new UN SEC GENERAL has already stipulated he wants NYC police officers to serve in UN peacekeeping mission in places like haiti, kosovo, and liberia.
here is one more reason why
CLINTON IN 2000 gave his blessing to the whole globalist thing on the UN "INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT (ICC). The DEMOCRATS all along want to make US citizens SERVANTS TO THE UN AS OUR GOVERNMENT instead of a country governed by WE THE PEOPLE.
Thankfully Bush saw the serious threat this Socialist star chamber posed to our military and he told them to stuff a sock in it. Apparantly at that time the UN was insulted by it. Although the REPUBLICANS tried twice to negotiate immunity for US peacekeepers thru the Sec Council.
Well, the anti-Americans at the UN wouldn't have any of it and the Abu Graib prison gave Kofi Annan the opening he wanted. The he tried to wrap himself in the human right mantle by claiming it would be unfotunate for someone to press for such an exemption given the prisoner abuse in Iraq.
We all know that if Mr. Amman really cared a thing about human rights he would have protested the revolving membership of certain countries with human rights track records. However, the Sanctimonious UN and Annan are always silent on the topic of human rights; except when it comes to taking cheap shots at the US
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 21, 2009 8:49 AM
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THIS would for example entail that any USA person could be apprehended by local Muslim authorities for an offense, real or imagined slammed into the ICC and flown to the Hage, netherlands where they would rot for months waiting for trial and done ENTIRELY without due process. they would get not trial and no confronting of accusers, No protection from double jeopardy and no unanimous verdict for a conviction.
Take a second to THINK about this all of the globalists within and without the USA think the murderous Al Qaida terriorists should have these rights from way back before the 1990's and NOW... HOWEVER NOT OUR US SOLDIERS and NOT OUR US CITIZENS.
Even though we can't guarantee that no American soldier is ever taken prisoner by a foreighn state and put before the ICC, we at "least" make sure no US soldier and or civilian meets with this fate.
However, the ICC doesn't want to recognize the CONSTITUTIONAL rights that we as Americans are guaranteed. GET IT?? They too think our constitution is FLAWED.
Meanwhile the globalists Anti-American ICC supporters criticized Mr. Bush claiming we were "undermining international LAW, the reality, THEY were writing new INTERNATIONAL LAWS TO protect themselves.
RIGHT NOW --the GRINCHES at the UN want to create something called a TRANSNATIONAL TREATY where anything protecting our USA PUBLIC that happens in our courts that GOVERNMENT DOESN'T LIKE gets kicked out of court would be sent to THE UN whom will then OVERRIDE THE WILL OF AMERICAN PUBLIC and ENFORCE it's SHARIA LAW rule over this NATION.
Want to know WHAT were the "agreement on the Privileges and immunities of the ICC" ratified with the assent of ONLY 10 NATION--it flat out provides the ICC immunity from "every form of legal process anywhere".
**They stated that the "property, funds, and assets" of the ICC "shall be IMMUNE from search, seizure, requisition, confiscation, expropriation and any other form of interference. And, the ICC and it's assets they said "are to be exempt from all direct taxes" including local taxes and customs.
** Meantime they want to IMPOSE the GLOBAL POVERTY TAX which would most certainly bankrupt the USA; while they engage in the Socialist rhetoric of how we are "selfish" for not wanting to pay more taxes. This is their idea of spread the wealth. Notice the funds are always going someplace else instead of to the PUBLIC.
How many people don't know all throughout history the spread the wealth has always been used in facist/socialist/communist elections.
RIGHT NOW-- OBAMA AND DEMS are attempting to seek a seat at the SHARIA LAW UN and the DEMS want to PUT INTO EFFECT ---TRANSNATIONAL TREATY---what does thaaat mean?? it means anything that the PUBLIC decides in court that is beneficial to WE THE PUBLIC that the GOV doesn't like --it WILL get kicked out of all courts at all levels and be sent TO THE UN international court WHERE they will IMPOSE THE WILL OF SHARIA LAW/UN court on the AMERICAN PUBLIC.
OBAMA AND WASH DC SLUGS WANT TO once again endanger this country by FORCING the US under SERVANTHOOD to the U-NATION which is SHARIA LAW. This will DESTROY our CONSTITUTION and make it IMPOSSIBLE for the USA AMERICAN public to govern themselves. --always the bottom line isn't it??
Long and short of it----the ICC MEMBERS have declared themselves IMMUNE form "personal arrest or detention, Legal process of every kind and immigration restrictions.
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Posted by: willymack on Apr 21, 2009 8:51 AM
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1. Overseeing JUSTICE. That includes the prosecution of the bush crime family. This is something Obama cannot and MUST NOT run away from.
2. No more whitewashing of the crooked finaglings and continued theft of our money and futures by banks, mortgage cos., insurance and drug racketeers, etc. Some of these crooks belong in JAIL, and now.
3. Seizure of the "energy" companies, and impoundment of their assets. How many more times do we have to hear or read about record quarterly profits, while the enviornmental degradation they cause continues unabated? Progress toward energy independence and a cleaner enviornment will NEVER happen if they continue to have a free rein.
4. Get us the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan, NOW, and to hell with the phony baloney about the Taliban and Al Queda "threats" to our imaginary freedoms. Bin Laden is almost certainly dead, and was most likely NOT responsible for 911.
5. In conjunction with #4, pare down the military establishment to a managible size. Withdraw our military personnel from where they're not needed (or wanted). Remind knuckleheads like Saxby Chambliss that pissing away taxpayer money on overpriced crap like F22s is NOT the only way to a healthy economy.
The neocon slugs and their rethug stooges are striving mightily to destroy the Obama presidency, just as they did with Clinton. The truth is irrevalent with them, as they've already bragged about creating "reality" during bush's time in office. If they're allowed to, they'll eat Obama alive, and a promising prospect for real and enduring change will wither on the vine. Let's encourage our President while repeating our demands for justice and egality.
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 21, 2009 8:54 AM
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What hypocrites, it seems to run DEEP in the UN, but it indicates the lengths to which globalists will go to undermine National SOVEREIGNTY.
There's no mistaking it, the ICC SEVERELY undermines our Sovereignty and has over the years placed our troops at great risk.
It CLAIMS complete jurisdiction over every person in the world and it makes no difference to them whether or not that nation has even ratified the treaty.
And, FRANKLY our own constitution may soon be up to the interpretation of 18 foreign -and for the most part hostile-ICC JUDGES.
Long and short of it, the ICC is literally a dagger in the heart of our US SOVEREIGNTY, our freedom and our independence.
DO you want to know what the ACLU thinks about how 'STUPID' they view Americans. Here is what Norman THOMAS one of the Founders of the ACLU says QUOTE Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened.
What we need to investigate is how the DEMOCRATS and ACLU think that they can continue to count on Americans being as stupid as the ACLU thinks Americans are. So they can further their Soc/glob/marx/fac/comm agenda.
Prior to elections AND to present we repeatedly had to complain that our posts were stonewalled by sites because no one wanted to know the truth.
RIGHT NOW--there are signatures needed for the USA to take LEGAL AND LEGISLATIVE ACTION on behalf of USA BUT THE PUBLIC HAS TO GET TO IT
Go see American Center for LAW and JUSTICE
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 21, 2009 8:57 AM
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wanna? know the latest??? Michael moore made a progpaganda film where they attempt to bamboozle the PUBLIC by claiming CUBA'S healthcare is better than the USA ....and that the USA should go to the CUBAN model for healthcare.
WANNA KNOW??? what the reality is and whaaat they are really HIDING... the reality is in CUBA people have to BEG FROM TOURISTS for allergy inhalers and aspirin. You can bet if Americans are allowed to be bamboozled into Socialist healthcare DEMS will make SURE USA is WORSE OFF than CUBA.
According to the new stimulus if your child needs antibiotics and the GOV only wants to give them Asprin or NOTHING guess whaaat they will get ASPIRIN or NOTHING.
Whats worse.. if your/adult/child are X percent sick they ARE LEFT TO DIE.
Soc healthcare is MORE expensive AND gives NO HEALTHCARE. We are no scholar, but you don't need to be a scholar to SEE whaaat is wrong with the DEMS scenario.
DEMS LIED to claim our healthcare system is broken. SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE is MORE EXPENSIVE and gives NO HEALTHCARE.
PEOPLE, OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.
THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.
ALLOWING the DEMS socialize healthcare not only would prove expensive but DEADLY. Think about it?? DEMS WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY BUT DENY PUBLIC the meds and services it needs while GOV POCKETS THE CASH TO SPEND ON PORK.
don't ALLOW yourselves to be put off seek LEGISLATIVE and LEGAL ACTION TO KICK STIMULUS OUT AND BAILOUT. go see --The National Center for Public policy Research and American center for law and justice
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 21, 2009 9:10 AM
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Comment: LET'S TALK ECONOMICS--and what has led to our "meltdown"
prior to 911 when DEMOCRATS WERE IN OFFICE the Usa sent our law enforcement to Yeman to arrest Osama bin laden. The Yeman ambassador promptly got into a 'turf battle" with USA law enforcement to claim the USA LAW ENFORCEMENT was "infringing" on YEMAN ambassadors "turf".
So what happened OUR USA LAW ENFORCEMENTS WERE TOLD by DEMOCRATS--to go home empty handed. The DEMOCRAT Administration didn't know at the time their irresponsible actions had paved the way for terriorist to make plans and lay groundwork for 911.
The Wall Street journal at that time printed a small article on it and to the recent it has been discussed but apparantly NOT ENOUGH.
I submit for your reading NY Times 1999 - MUST READ!
Well, it???s about time, the mainstream ???brainwashing media??? is finally coming out with the truth on this meltdown???
I think if they would???ve come out with the truth right away instead of letting obama camp point fingers at the Bush Admin. THE Gallup polls etc would HAVE LOOKEDA whole lot different FROM RIGHT NOW!
I just hope the ???American People??? Get it ~ before it???s too late!
Look! The New York Times is catching up to the American people..it???s important for ALL Americans to know who is responsible for this Economic Meltdown we are experiencing???in fact, some of you might remember that I posted the notice from Bill Clinton himself [I posted again, what Bill said at the bottom of this post]
Who???s administration
caused the problem??? See below.
Amazing
foresight!! Take a gander at this while they try to lay blame for the whole meltdown???
9 years ago???this one is priceless and worth the read- right out of New York Times
September 30, 1999
where the DEMOCRATS admitted that faulty lending pracitces along with ACORN activities have brought use to the crossroads our Nation is today IN A CONGRESSIONAL/SENATORIAL INVESTIGATION
Bill Clinton knows who is responsible for this NATIONAL CRISIS!
PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON: “I think the responsibility that the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.”
SO here we have it DEMOCRATS BROUGHT ON 911 AND CAUSED OUR MELTDOWN thru their FAULTY LENDING PRACTICES and now are once again all for this FLEECING OF AMERICA thru this bailout bandwagon!
Just found out days ago that this bailout will derail the economy by encouraging businesses to engage in the same kind of IRRESPONSIBLE risky business practices knowing full well that when the irresponsible business practices are overdrawn the PUBLIC WILL once again be left PAYING FOR IT.
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Posted by: PaulK on Apr 21, 2009 9:17 AM
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If a human being is about to have a momentous crash, the human instinct seems to be to ignore the problem. So, the short-term solution to national insolvency is to go shopping for a new pair of shoes. Worry about feeding the kids some other day.
In the nation's case, we're currently shopping for a new war in Pakistan. That's what the beautiful people do! Remember to prop up all the insolvent banks and insurance companies with soft accounting rules, so that any property can be worth anything on the books. Hey, just last week the Bank of America had quarterly profits as large as Bernie Madoff's fund had in all of 2007.
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Posted by: maxfactor on Apr 21, 2009 9:28 AM
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Obama is playing a loosing game. Massive debt, inflation, poverty and half a trillion spending on something that has questionable return on investment - unlike spending it on education and healthcare. US cititzens are uneducated, malnourished and among the shortest people on this planet. Lack of language skills keeps them from discovering other truths than the silly flaggism/patriotism at home.
Raping a weaker country, meddling in internal affairs, paying off shady dictators does not constitute an empire.
Nobody fears an US empire - because there is none - unless you live in a manufactured reality.
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Posted by: weathered on Apr 21, 2009 9:37 AM
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See Israel for exactly what it is;a politica state by day, a religious state for tax purposes, an extradition-free refuge for its citzens who committ crimes elswhere, but always, the exhausting, manipulating and misunderstood victim that demands to be treated as the exception and always at the expense of others.
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Posted by: BulldogRedeemer on Apr 21, 2009 9:49 AM
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If anybody thinks the F/A-22 is an "out moded" weapons system, they have no comprehension of weapon system needs and their development time line. While not useful today in the asymmetric war against Islamic extremism, the F/A-22 will be vital in any future conflict with Russian resurgence militarism and the technological growth of the huge Chinese military machine. Such advanced capabilities act as a deterrance against military adventurism by potential enemies to America. It takes 20 years to develop a weapon system capability such as the F/A-22, so you can not wait until you need it to start building them. That is the lesson of the 1930’s and WWII. Except this time the two oceans, that gave America the time to make up for our defense deficiencies, will not be sufficient to protect us from such folly. We will never surrender, despite those who blame America advocating it.
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Posted by: maxsmart on Apr 21, 2009 9:51 AM
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It might be said that the military industrial complex will have to be pried from our cold dead hands.
Hopefully in the 21st century of global consciousness and the recognition of the fragility of our tiny jewel of life called Earth and the mutual interdependence of us all we may give up on this instinctive animal territoriality that we have mapped with our concepts of strategic dominance, US global national interests, acceptable collateral damage, with regard to our western colonial combines of military-merchant-missionary profiteering off of other peoples.
Expropriating the western hemisphere to stripe of its golden eggs and pollute with abandon after having polluted Europe and what do we do once we have gone round the entire planet and ravaged and polluted it all. Then I guess we go around again reravaging?
The western model is going to have to give way to the eastern model exemplified in the yin-yang symbol of a sustainable interdependence and an eco-economic system that respects our planetary environment.
To do this we must learn to coordinate body and mind, our instincts and concepts, in a more efficient and non-destructive way. If humans cannot accomplish this, a feat more important to our planet than going to Mars or Venus, we most likely will be the cause of our own extinction.
Mindfulness meditation has been explored in depth by Tibetans and other eastern traditions as a way to coordinate body and mind.
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Posted by: Adastra on Apr 21, 2009 9:59 AM
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For an illustration of the hard truth of this statement, we need only look at the doomed Athenian attempt to besiege Syracuse during the Pelopennesian War. The expedition to Sicily lasted from 415 to 413 BCE. It was a disastrous blunder. One of the chosen generals in charge of the expedition advised against it in the assembly, pointing out that a previous expedition had already failed miserably, that Sicily was far away, a large island with many great cities and that even if Athens won, they would hardly be able to hold on to so many cities, many of whom would revolt at the first chance.
But the citizens were carried away with patriotism and an absurd confidence. They knew Sicily is an island and they thought perhaps of the islands of the Aegean sea, small and mostly powerless. Why they had conquered quite a few of those already and many more had joined their league seeking Athenian protection against Sparta. Most of those voting had no idea how large an island Sicily really is, nor how many people lived there. They were anxious to strike against Syracuse, an ally of their enemy Sparta, and ignored the warnings that they would simply be starting a war even worse than the one already in progress against Sparta.
So they sailed with their two generals and wasted most of two years in unsuccessful campaigns in Sicily, ill-prepared, ill-equipped and ill-supplied, against a new enemy, well-prepared and aided by Sparta to defend their city. The war in Sicily ended with the crushing defeat of the Athenian forces, the execution of the two generals by the Spartans, the deaths of most soldiers of Athens and the enslavement of the rest.
The most recent reminder of this poorly planned mistake is the US effort in Vietnam during the sixties and seventies of the last century--although the ill-conceived invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan may yet surpass even that famous military stupidity before it's over.
And why all this stuff about a war that happened over two thousand years ago? Because a wise man once said, "Those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it." Lately it seems that most Americans, especially the politicians, can't remember what happened a few decades ago, much less two millenia ago. We may well be doomed by our failure to learn from the past mistakes of our ancestors.
Yet Athens still stands despite the defeat, while Sparta has vanished despite the victory. Many things led to Sparta's fall, mostly the hubris that came from a long and brilliantly successful military history. They failed to realize that the world's greatest military is more of a liability than an asset to any nation, unless handled very, very skilfully. We Americans seem to lack that skill. We should consider reducing our military to a force adequate to defend our nation and give up trying to impose our imperial ambitions on the rest of the world.
With love under will
Bob, Adastra,
The Wizzard of Jacksonville
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Posted by: richard0a37 on Apr 21, 2009 10:48 AM
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• In 2001, George W Bush did not become president of the USA by democratic majority vote as every other president was, but was instead ushered in by other means that were not democratic, but instead could be construed as a non violent coup d’état.
• The 2005 presidential election was riddled with accusations of vote rigging;
• Had eligibility not been limited to 2 terms of office, as you well know, George W Bush would still be president;
• If you watch any of the mainstream 911 videos on utube, there will not be the slightest shadow of doubt in your mind that the twin towers could not possibly have collapsed because planes may or may not have flown into them;
• Any official explanations for the absence of any intervention by NORAD and the FAA in the hour or so leading to the first explosion must be treated with total contempt and suspicion;
• The deployment of an entire military machine takes months, possibly years, to plan, organise and execute, yet the invasion of Afghanistan was launched on October 7th, less than 1 month after 911. How was this possible if, before 911, there was no possible motive for wanting to invade that particular country, yet when it did happen, the entire apparatus was put into effect in pursuit of just one man?
• According to your CIA fact file, poppy production in Afghanistan (the world’s largest producer) remains at an historically high level, while in 2001 prior to the invasion, production was at an all time low owing to the Taleban’s attempts to suppress it. How do you explain this, unless one of the motives for invasion was precisely this?
• Likewise, the 2003 invasion of Iraq is fraught with contradiction. None of the official reasons for the invasion has ever been proved or uncovered, yet foreign military presence is still very much in evidence. The invasion bears all the hallmarks of illegality that is not constitutional, and is morally reprehensible.
• How do the Authorities apprehend individuals who once held high office, but who no longer have immunity from prosecution? George W Bush and Dick Cheney and the rest of the inner sanctum in particular need to be questioned in open court about what they knew. There are numerous utube videos of George W Bush caught unintentionally or unwittingly making statements that couldn’t possibly be true.
• The US legal system is not the absolute power on this planet. There are higher ones. The absence of any apprehension of individuals leads me to think that the events of 911 and subsequent actions must therefore have been given the seal of approval by all international institutions that have stood to gain. For want of a better term, I would venture to suggest that the Bilberberg Group, which is international in its membership and allegiance, is in all likelihood, the true mastermind behind global upheavals that have been deliberately planned.
• A total mindset spans the whole planet and recognises no boundaries, either physical or political. Countries, nations etc are just another tool for controlling people. Members of Bilderberg have no allegiance to any country or nation. They just want us to think they have.
• The real tragedy of the human race is that everything of any real significance is driven by military conquest which at its base destroys and blights the lives of literally millions and millions of people.
• Until this changes, the world will never change or be any different.
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Posted by: kaelieh on Apr 21, 2009 11:18 AM
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Seriously, it's not rocket science. Repeating the same shit over and over again expecting to get different results is suicide.
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Posted by: tommy_slothrop on Apr 21, 2009 12:14 PM
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He eased up on Cuba. He met with Chavez. He told Israel to back off. He made diplomatic advances to Iran. He's started to tone down the anti-Russian rhetoric. How about we give him a few more months?
There's a lot that should be done that Obama hasn't done (dismantling NATO for one) but he's nowhere near as bad as Bush (damned faint praise that, I know).
Time spent writing your representatives telling them to sponsor single-payer health care legislation or actual reductions in military spending would be time much better spent than endless posts on Alternet calling Obama "Bush Lite."
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Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Apr 21, 2009 12:45 PM
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"Inside the Presidency
I fear the "Imperial Presidency" has become a reality. Our Presidents disappear behind the gates of the Forbidden City, isolated and advised by the thousands of eunuchs, never to hear the voices of the people beyond the waters of the Potomac. "
Ross Anderson, Sutter Creek, CA.
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Posted by: Ellen Remore on Apr 21, 2009 1:40 PM
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It's worth noting that while long-established corporations are finding themselves looking into the Abyss, those with big fat Defense contracts are humming along like a new Lamborghini. Coincidence? Maybe. Or maybe, having witnessed the rapacious Military-Industrial Complex stuffing itself like a Strasbourg goose in Vietnam, I'm just way too cynical.
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TR
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Posted by: xbj on Apr 23, 2009 8:22 AM
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As IF.
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Posted by: canadiana on Apr 27, 2009 2:18 PM
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There are no fundamental causes for a crisis being set up by Alan Greenspan; only that if he is wrong about the economy, people will blame him. But, what I read in that article was the unrelenting agenda of a group of individuals who decided sometime ago that the vast majority of Americans could be sacrificed so that a deserving business world could prosper relentlessly. And the writer's tone is telling: his admiration and reverence for the man and his world blinds him to that speck of grime: believing that the BigBusiness Alan and his 'family' created could love the world.It really showed me that seeing the world through his economic eyes created this current collapse; it was already our future back then.
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Posted by: kanekoa64 on Apr 29, 2009 9:03 AM
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Could it be all our little theories and panic attacks are a little premature considering he's showing a lot of promise all the way around?
An impressive amount of shit has happened some of us want to ignore,
but it doesn't change facts that we're heading AWAY from the precipice faster than we're going over the edge. Something of a change from the last administrations fiddling while Rome burned, telling the blindly faithful all was well, while the rest of us prepared for the collision of reality headlong into fantasy's front fender.
Can Chicken Little's on both sides of the fence try dropping the posturing long enough to be Americans, united behind a President who seems to actually give a shit about how this all might turn out, despite the insanity of his own countrymen?
I for one, look forward to it. I will bet against ALL nay sayers that your view is too narrow and the picture is forming of a United States we thought was extinct. Freedom will ring again.
IF WE WANT IT TO.
It actually takes a bit of work on our part, too.
I mean besides typing nasty crap at each other.
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