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Teabagging & Fake Grassroots: Fury Over Conservative Con-Job Allegations

By Tana Ganeva, AlterNet. Posted April 18, 2009.


A recent article showing the ties of right-wing funders to tea parties brought out the right-wing trolls.

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Last Wednesday, angry conservatives took to the streets to protest taxes by draping themselves in tea bags and wielding a variety of terrifying (some borderline racist) signs.

The so-called tea parties were packaged as an outpouring of populist rage. But, as many liberal writers delighted in pointing out (almost as much as they enjoyed making teabagging jokes), the ostensibly grassroots, spontanous demonstrations were in fact launched by the conservative advocacy group FreedomWorks, nurtured by Republican operatives, then blasted out through the Fox News propaganda machine.

In an article recently published on AlterNet, Mark Ames, Yasha Levine and Alexander Zaitchik note that the tea parties are mere Astroturf -- fake grassroots. They go on to highlight the real movement growing against corporate greed and government malfeasance.

Not so, argued a bunch of conservative trolls who came onto AlterNet’s comment boards to argue about the article.

Sports Warrior Casey Jones starts the comment boards troll party on a violent note:

 ... gun control must be ABOLISHED COMPLETELY!  Because you see, Big Brother is gonna be fucking with us all. Better to have a shotgun ready to shoot those motherfucking drones down.

Further proving that they should be heavily armed, Sports Warrior goes on to argue:

What's wrong with a TeaBag Party? Better yet, us NRA members would be happy to join the crowds! Because you know what? We're gonna need our guns when we're done getting our asses robbed by the fuckers in Washington!

only_me also has some alarming findings to share:

The same people that are for Obama have no idea what the real agenda is. I'm sure half the people have no idea that mass graves are being dug up, FEMA camps are being built and a "bird flu" epidemic is on the horizon.

snowhound, though not going so far as to accuse the Obama administration of digging mass graves, is also concerned about the so-called attack on American liberties represented by our government's sinister plan to continue our system of taxation:

The main role of the federal government is to preserve liberty. The current liberal ideology of social programs is unsustainable. The current conservative ideology of the imperial empire is unsustainable. This will all end in the economic collapse of our nation because we didn't follow our founders written document, the Constitution.

But AlterNet commentor Bliss Doubt responded:

"... no idea of the definition of Liberty." 

I've been reading about the protest movement that will take place today.

The participants' definition of liberty includes privatizing Social Security and privatizing the Internet. It includes nothing about repealing the Patriot Act, you know, that law that turned our Constitution into toilet paper and turned the great legacy of our nation's founders into an antiquated notion. To me it just looks like more support of corporate welfare at the expense of the working class.

It would seem that the word liberty is open to wide ranging interpretation.

Ky Lake Dave also presents a strange version of "liberty":

Finally, at the age of 47, I am getting to do the hippie thing and protest against our unfair government and President Obama. Obama is attempting to toss out the Constitution. He is firing private citizens. Taking over the banking industry. Taking over the auto industry. He wants to take over the health care. The Democrats are pursuing a "Fairness Doctrine" to censor the press and opposing views. President Obama and this unfair government attempting to toss aside capitalism in favor of socialism. He is spending my great-grandchildren's money! This presidency after less than 100 days is inching closer and closer to a dictatorship.

...

I wonder what we should wear?

I don't fit in my bell bottoms anymore.

2010 we will rein him in. I like that. Maybe that will be on my sign.

Anyone else like the ring of that?

Isnamther responds, pointing to the hypocrisy of conservative anti-government sentiment:

I am also 47 years old, and if this is the first time you've found something to protest your government about, with all of the shit that has gone down in this country over the past 30 years, it speaks volumes about where your head is. Endless wars, no problem; U.S. Empire, no problem; racial inequalities, no problem; gender inequalities, no problem; ruination of the environment, no problem; But a stimulus package trying to bail out this country's economic crisis, thoroughly caused by right-wing policies (including Clinton's right-wing policies); BIG PROBLEM .. for right-wingers who are NO LONGER IN POWER.

Derek Maddox argues that the tea parties do in fact have a populist feel, regardless of their origins:


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Posted by: Eat Politicians on Apr 18, 2009 1:17 AM   
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alternet is calling out the trolls! Nice!

I think most progressive had no real problems in discerning that this BS was clearly a propaganda movement by the dying Republican party to try and drum up support for their clearly failed and worthless ideology, policy, politicians and media suckbags...

No one I know personally was fooled by it, except those that are already fooled by such things, it shows they are grasping at straws. The former republicans I know all tell me they are registering independent and are sickened by FOX news now. I can't say that is all republicans, but clearly their numbers are shrinking as we speak. Whenever they even hint at any of this stuff I just mention Bush and they go right back to muttering to themselves and distancing themselves from the republicans.

Dems and progressives (yes I make the distinction) just need to keep putting real ideas out there. New media is taking more and more people away from the old. I like to see some AM progressive stations sandwiched in between the moron channel to keep the word spreading. Just keep making sense and we will see a change...

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policy on responding to right-wing trolls
Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Apr 18, 2009 2:20 AM   
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I like the responses many of our regulars made to the right-wing trolls. But are we to gather from this that AlterNet has changed its previously stated policy that we're supposed to just "ignore" right-wing comments and not respond? And also have you changed your policy on certain profanities (now suddenly uncensored not only in comments to the first article but published a second time here)? This is getting awfully subjective!

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THESE PEOPLE ARE TAKING ACTION..YOU COWARDS!
Posted by: TrollTreason on Apr 18, 2009 3:13 AM   
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IF YOU ACTUALLY LISTENED TO SOME OF THE SO CALLED "RIGHT WING" AND AGREED ON THE "THE FACTS" YOU WOULD FIND THEY FEEL EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AS MOST OF THE SO CALLED LEFT

I hate these divide and conquer hit pieces

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» Actually... Posted by: 2thepoint
You betcha, Rare!
Posted by: Chaimirija on Apr 18, 2009 4:28 AM   
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"Instead of screaming about tax cuts, scream about profit margins"

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Right Wing Rage is the voice of tantruming
Posted by: robchapman on Apr 18, 2009 5:53 AM   
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The national tantrum, called Taxed Enough Already is remarkable for two things.

One the sheer and utter deceitfulness of the participants and their anti-democratic sentiment.

The Obama tax cut jsut went inot effect. It is ironic that the Right responds with demands for more.

This is particularly ironic in the face of their demands to cut governemtn spending and deficits.

During the Bush Administration, the TEA baggers grew the federal government by three percentage points of GDP. This is the highest peacetime rate of growth of governmental spending.

The TEA baggers grew state and local government by handing down unfunded mandates. This is when the feds rewquire the lower levels of government to fix problems, but do not follow through with resources.
No Child Left Behind is probably the best known example of this method of government growth.

It is to Obama's credit that he has shifted the philosophy of government to everyone paying a fair share. This means that higher incomes are taxed at higher rates. It also means that capital will be subject to taxation along with labor.

Thankfully the TEA baggers' numbers were not impressive and they were well behaved.

The messages that the TEA baggers displayed were more suitable for a KuKlux Klan rally than a populist rally.

We can only hope that the restraint and common sense of the American people will prevail and the TEA baggers will remain what they are: a collection of corporate stooges dancing to Rupert Murdoch's malicious tune.

Hopefully, they are all bark and no bite.

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Murdoch's minions
Posted by: robchapman on Apr 18, 2009 5:54 AM   
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TEA baggers are nothing but Rupert Murdoch's stooges.

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it was actually fun...
Posted by: ellie on Apr 18, 2009 6:46 AM   
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to have these trolls along for the ride for a few days... made reading comments fun again in a morbid way...

come back trolls, we aren't done messin' with you yet...

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What I would give up...
Posted by: donnal on Apr 18, 2009 6:50 AM   
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You ask what I would give up from all this new spending, how about an EIC that includes a third child, paying health insurance, mortage, car payments, bridges to no where, saving small little rats, studing pig smells, bonus payments to AIG, Fanny Mae and Freddy, bailouts to banks, the auto industry, insurance companies, wall street, brokers who made stupid greedy calls, an 800 million hign speed train from CA to NV, projects that are stupid, payments to union companies only, and money to groups such as ACORN, to name only a few.

States and counties are being given less than a week to spend millions or lose their share of funds, if no project was there a new one was created...how is this good goverment?

WHAT MOST ARE SAYING, STOP SPENDING BORROWED DOLLARS, AND CALLING IT A TAX SAVINGS TO 95% OF THE COUNTRY.

Call us names, I and many welcome the exchange, we think for ourselves and that is what really bothers you all, as you don't know what we are going to do or say next.

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» Well said! nm Posted by: Timba
» Simply awesome! Posted by: LeeAnnG
While all of you
Posted by: eaajdjholton on Apr 18, 2009 8:08 AM   
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Are patting yourselves on the back for exposing the conservative trolls amongst you and are gloating and laughing about showing the world the truth behind these "teabagging" protests (gotta admit the juxtaposition of images I get from that term just makes me giggle!) has anyone stopped to think that the people who have NO FREAKIN' IDEA that they were being used still have not heard the truth? Let's face it folks the people who felt they were expressing populist rage only get their news from one source--FOX (OK maybe CBN too). Do you think the truth of who was really behind the rallys was on those networks?

The news media in this country has become just as splintered as we are. Everyone (us included) finds their own favorite flavor and sticks with it. Why should we take milk with our coffee when cream tastes so much better?

The real question at this point for us should be how do we bridge this gap? How do we educate the uneducated so that Corporate America starts to lose the stranglehold it has on our political process, our government, our livlihoods, and in reality our very lives? Instead of gloating, saying "gotcha!", and calling names we should be attempting to solve this problem.

Corporate America has learned to act together. We are just starting to. Corporate America has hugely deep pockets. We are unbearably poor. The only things we have on our side are numbers and the truth.

If we allow ourselves to continue to be divided we will be conquered. Their dollars will drown out our truth. We will fully become the "Corporate States of America". If we are not there already.

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'Isnamther' and 'rare' are correct
Posted by: YogiBear on Apr 18, 2009 10:10 AM   
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I could take right wing outrage seriously, if they had bothered to speak up during the past 8 years. They did not and in fact, bashed those of us who did, so they get no serious consideration from me.

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What part of fair share are you paying?
Posted by: donnal on Apr 18, 2009 10:30 AM   
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It is to Obama's credit that he has shifted the philosophy of government to everyone paying a fair share. This means that higher incomes are taxed at higher rates. It also means that capital will be subject to taxation along with labor.

_______________________________________________
What fair share are the ones who pay no taxes, receive an EIC for 6k, collect food stamps, pay no day care or health care paying? I want to pay that share, instead of the share that I am paying.

Its the middle that are being robbed from the poor and the rich. WHEN, we even out these two with the middle then we will have a fair system.

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The best way to deal with trolls
Posted by: g on Apr 18, 2009 11:04 AM   
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The 'ignore this user' button. While it may be amusing to blast trolls, it gets old fast. If these people were sensitive to reality-based arguments, they would read and think about what they read, instead of posting venom and regurgitating soundbytes from Fox. They are not interested in a discussion, and they should not be given one. His Ignore user and move on to people who may disagree with you but who have actually something interesting to say.

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Right back at you, tea baggers . . .
Posted by: Uncle John on Apr 18, 2009 2:05 PM   
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America:
Love it
or
LEAVE it.

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» Really!!! Posted by: LeeAnnG
Absurd
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Apr 18, 2009 2:52 PM   
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Just absurd, this whole teabagger protest mess, I sometimes wonder if they even know what they were protesting. They probably don't,just goes to show you how strong hatred of knowledge is in America when people go on these ill defined "protest".

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Saddening lack of long view here
Posted by: angry_liberal on Apr 18, 2009 3:58 PM   
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It bothers me that so many bright, passionate people are suckered by one side or other of our nation's highly-competitive, elite-controlled political game.

Wednesday, ordinary folks who had lauded Ronnie, Bubba, and W as "populist" promoters of economic growth (despite "de-regulation" opening up the flow of money from ordinary folks to wealthy people, and giving financial interests unprecedented power in government) turned out to condemn Obama as a socialist (despite his policies further opening the flow of money from ordinary folks to wealthy people).

It's past time for a wake-up call: the past thirty years in this country have been a slouch toward fascism, and our new President's policies are merely more of the same.

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Posing as opporessed minoitry
Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 19, 2009 2:46 AM   
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So...the traitors who helped bring America to its knees are now posing as an oppressed minority.

What ever are we going to go with these people? If they get back in power, they will finish destroying the country.


Right Will Eat Itself

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» Speaking of minorities Posted by: chaoslegs
The Income Tax and Property Taxes on Buildings and Vehicles Does Violate Individual Liberty
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Apr 19, 2009 11:54 PM   
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The author of this post was intellectually dishonest in regards to taxation.

We live in a world where the government can take a portion of your paycheck if you are behind on income taxes, they can fine you, they can even imprison you. This is the world we live in today. While it sounds like something out of a middle ages feudal system it is unfortunately alive and well here today.


There is no legitimate reason to violate the individual liberty of our fellow man with the income tax or property tax on buildings and vehicles when we could put sales taxes on finite natural resources like steel, oil, copper, gold, etc which were here on this planet long before humankind was and rightfully belong to all of us.

A person is entitled to all of the fruit of their labor, not some while the government takes the rest by force.

Demand a higher standard, do the right thing. If we absolutely must have so many government programs, fund them the right way by taxing our collective finite natural resources.

"your body, your property, your choice"

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I hear a lot of pissin' & moanin' from the top 10%
Posted by: paulmagillsmith on Apr 20, 2009 1:08 AM   
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of income getters (notice I intentionally didn't say wage earners), but almost none of them pointing out the fact these 300,000 people rake in more than the bottom 150 MILLION people in this country...WTF!!!

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Why tea-baggers mare ignored at OUR peril
Posted by: Marte1.618 on Apr 20, 2009 5:01 AM   
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For all of those intellectuals out there (I count myself among you) I urge you to take a step back before we become to giddy at the "goof-balls" who don't understand what they are talking about when referring to our Constitution, etc.
At first sight, yes, they are absurd. However, don't you find it frightening at just how quickly they were organised and convinced that this was THEIR (the people, and not a media induced nor directed) idea and event? We have just gone through 8-years of a mind-numbingly idiotic oligarchy under Cheney/Bush. If we ignore or laugh these nonsensical protests off, how long do you think it will be before they are back? The "fear" machine is still as potent as ever they are simply using a different catalyst, economy instead of terrorists.
Funny how W. comes out of this untouched when it was his administration that created a majority of the economic perfect storm that President Obama must attend.
A talking point that must be addressed, we must STOP using us vs. them...as different as we are these labels do indeed create a chasm more difficult to traverse than any can afford. We hear so much about the gun control issue, fringe-factions going on about the government registering ammunition and some such nonsense. Perhaps, the approach should be is to ask the question of all, including the NRA (since anyone mentioning any type of regulation is ladled as Un-American) "Do you think Richard Poplawski, the man who purposely lured police officers and subsequently murdered three in Pittsburgh, acted within his rights under the second amendment because he thought assault weapons may be banned or stricter gun control enforced?"
A yes or no answer will suffice, as murder is or is not sanctioned under the stricture of the extreme proponents’ defined arguments. Richard Poplawski made certain everyone knew where he stood on his right to bear arms and how virulent was his desire to defend those rights.

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