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Got a Hopeover? A Dictionary for Disheartened Obama Fans
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All is not well in Obamafanland. It's not clear exactly what accounts for the change of mood. Maybe it was the rancid smell emanating from Treasury's latest bank bailout. Or the news that the president's chief economic adviser, Larry Summers, earned millions from the very Wall Street banks and hedge funds he is protecting from reregulation now. Or perhaps it began earlier, with Obama's silence during Israel's Gaza attack.
Whatever the last straw, a growing number of Obama enthusiasts are starting to entertain the possibility that their man is not, in fact, going to save the world if we all just hope really hard. This is a good thing. If the superfan culture that brought Obama to power is going to transform itself into an independent political movement, one fierce enough to produce programs capable of meeting the current crises, we are all going to have to stop hoping and start demanding.
The first stage, however, is to understand fully the awkward in-between space in which many US progressive movements find themselves. To do that, we need a new language, one specific to the Obama moment. Here is a start.
Hopeover. Like a hangover, a hopeover comes from having overindulged in something that felt good at the time but wasn't really all that healthy, leading to feelings of remorse, even shame. It's the political equivalent of the crash after a sugar high. Sample sentence: "When I listened to Obama's economic speech my heart soared. But then, when I tried to tell a friend about his plans for the millions of layoffs and foreclosures, I found myself saying nothing at all. I've got a serious hopeover."
Hoper coaster. Like a roller coaster, the hoper coaster describes the intense emotional peaks and valleys of the Obama era, the veering between joy at having a president who supports safe-sex education and despondency that single-payer healthcare is off the table at the very moment when it could actually become a reality. Sample sentence: "I was so psyched when Obama said he is closing Guantánamo. But now they are fighting like mad to make sure the prisoners in Bagram have no legal rights at all. Stop this hoper coaster -- I want to get off!"
Hopesick. Like the homesick, hopesick individuals are intensely nostalgic. They miss the rush of optimism from the campaign trail and are forever trying to recapture that warm, hopey feeling -- usually by exaggerating the significance of relatively minor acts of Obama decency. Sample sentences: "I was feeling really hopesick about the escalation in Afghanistan, but then I watched a YouTube video of Michelle in her organic garden and it felt like inauguration day all over again. A few hours later, when I heard that the Obama administration was boycotting a major UN racism conference, the hopesickness came back hard. So I watched slideshows of Michelle wearing clothes made by ethnically diverse independent fashion designers, and that sort of helped."
Hope fiend. With hope receding, the hope fiend, like the dope fiend, goes into serious withdrawal, willing to do anything to chase the buzz. (Closely related to hopesickness but more severe, usually affecting middle-aged males.) Sample sentence: "Joe told me he actually believes Obama deliberately brought in Summers so that he would blow the bailout, and then Obama would have the excuse he needs to do what he really wants: nationalize the banks and turn them into credit unions. What a hope fiend!"
Hopebreak. Like the heartbroken lover, the hopebroken Obama-ite is not mad but terribly sad. She projected messianic powers onto Obama and is now inconsolable in her disappointment. Sample sentence: "I really believed Obama would finally force us to confront the legacy of slavery in this country and start a serious national conversation about race. But now he never seems to mention race, and he's using twisted legal arguments to keep us from even confronting the crimes of the Bush years. Every time I hear him say 'move forward,' I'm hopebroken all over again."
Hopelash. Like a backlash, hopelash is a 180-degree reversal of everything Obama-related. Sufferers were once Obama's most passionate evangelists. Now they are his angriest critics. Sample sentence: "At least with Bush everyone knew he was an asshole. Now we've got the same wars, the same lawless prisons, the same Washington corruption, but everyone is cheering like Stepford wives. It's time for a full-on hopelash."
In trying to name these various hope-related ailments, I found myself wondering what the late Studs Terkel would have said about our collective hopeover. He surely would have urged us not to give in to despair. I reached for one of his last books, Hope Dies Last. I didn't have to read long. The book opens with the words: "Hope has never trickled down. It has always sprung up."
And that pretty much says it all. Hope was a fine slogan when rooting for a long-shot presidential candidate. But as a posture toward the president of the most powerful nation on earth, it is dangerously deferential. The task as we move forward (as Obama likes to say) is not to abandon hope but to find more appropriate homes for it -- in the factories, neighborhoods and schools where tactics like sit-ins, squats and occupations are seeing a resurgence.
Political scientist Sam Gindin wrote recently that the labor movement can do more than protect the status quo. It can demand, for instance, that shuttered auto plants be converted into green-future factories, capable of producing mass-transit vehicles and technology for a renewable energy system. "Being realistic means taking hope out of speeches," he wrote, "and putting it in the hands of workers."
Which brings me to the final entry in the lexicon.
Hoperoots. Sample sentence: "It's time to stop waiting for hope to be handed down, and start pushing it up, from the hoperoots."
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Posted by: mmckinl on Apr 18, 2009 12:35 AM
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You can't be a Progressive and Pro-Obama ...
We'll have to fight just to stop Obama and his minions from bankrupting us all with his bailout of the bankrupt Wall Street Banksters, their bag men populate his office in top positions ...
Welcome back Naomi ... this column sounds very personal, but it is time to break out the "Shock Doctrine" analysis. The Neoliberals are running wild in the White House.
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» Read the polls yourself.....Obama has a 63% approval rating right now.
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» RE: Hoperoots My Ass ... Try Justified and Projected Anger and Action ...
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» RE: The Obama campaign brilliant marketing and demographic maniulation..
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» RE: The Obama campaign brilliant marketing and demographic maniulation..
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» Appearantly some of us can...
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» Hey Beck, you're just as bad as the Retuglicans.
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» RE: You can't be progressive and be condescending, insulting, bossy, and oppressive
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Posted by: ghost in the machine on Apr 18, 2009 1:06 AM
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Forward to a general strike and the eventual taking power of the working classes .....or is that a little hard to swallow still?
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» How would "a general strike would be the fast route to social chaos"?
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» RE: on to the general strike; okay, announce it. When?
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Posted by: outlook on Apr 18, 2009 2:45 AM
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 18, 2009 2:50 AM
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» Naomi's theory- pathetic
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» By "Arab" do you mean Saudi Arabia and the U.A.E.?
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» sorry for the ambiguity
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Posted by: Sparks56 on Apr 18, 2009 3:00 AM
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» Naomi Klein Gets It ... You Don't
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» RE: Naomi Klein Gets It ... Only 10,000 of you took Nader's website survey. Why should we . . .
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» Nader, Nader, Nader, Nader, Nader....
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» One reason it's slow
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» Possible Things
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Posted by: TrollTreason on Apr 18, 2009 3:08 AM
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IF YOU ACTUALLY PAID ATTENTION YOU WOULD HAVE BACKED NADER OR ONE OF THE OTHER 3RD PARTIES... YOU FOOLS!
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» Doesn't matter
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» Why? Outline what he would have done.
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» Because you were duped
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Posted by: weathered on Apr 18, 2009 3:53 AM
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We're only as sick as our secrets and left untreated this will fester into dynamics that are both dangerous and antithetic to a peaceful, predictable societal norm, in other words people will 'flip the script' and it won't be pretty.
Unless WE have the courage to confront a stolen election in 2000 and all of the events that ensued we'll ALL suffer and WE know it.
This is the part in the screenplay where I get on my knees gratefully and pray to the God of my understanding that WE be given the courage and integrity to heal.
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Posted by: foreverhope on Apr 18, 2009 4:39 AM
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» When Obama shakes Netanyahu's claw
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» Screaming Green Meanies
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» What's really sickening. . .
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Posted by: lorenbliss on Apr 18, 2009 6:15 AM
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“Hope fiends” though we may be, the Obama Presidency is bringing a growing number of us to the realization that the United States has but one purpose -- the propagation of capitalism -- and that government and governance at all levels therefore provide absolute protection to the ruling class and impose total subjugation on all the rest of us.
Nevertheless the same credo of “hope” that leads us to such disappointment also shows us that Obama’s craven submission to the plutocracy (as in his bailouts and unyielding rejection of single-payer healthcare) is at least symbolically ameliorated by his restoration of important liberties. The same applies to his repeated insistence he represents “the American people” and not merely the ruling class. Ideas invariably have consequences, and the progressive component of Obama’s ideas could prove consequential indeed -- perhaps even strong enough to transcend the glaring hypocrisy so obvious in the president’s financial policies.
Though I have often argued that there is no effective difference between the Democratic and Republican parties (and that as a result the U.S. is a de facto one-party nation), there is nevertheless a huge and telling contrast between Obama’s progressive pronouncements -- however discredited they may be by his administration‘s deeds -- and the increasingly rabid Republican calls for political violence.
Not that I am surprised by the Republican behavior. The GOP has been the primary U.S. vessel of fascism and theocracy since the 1920s, and the racial malevolence that is fueling its response to the new President is bigotry of the same infinitely hateful and often murderous magnitude that fuels the Ku Klux Klan. It is no accident the largest remaining Republican stronghold is the white South.
Which is not to imply the Democrats are bigotry-free: they most certainly are not. Indeed the party’s class hatred -- specifically the vindictive contempt of the draft-exempt elite for those of us who served in the military (ultimately the malice of the white-collar bourgeoisie for the blue-collar working class) -- is every bit the equal of the GOP’s hatred of racial minorities and has shaped Democratic consciousness since the Vietnam Era. The expressions of that hostility today include the party’s periodic forcible-disarmament frenzies and a substantial faction -- most notably the MoveOn people -- who hold to the oxymoronic notion of “progressive anti-unionism.”
Nevertheless if I am forced to take sides -- to choose between the however-faint progressive potential of Obama and the absolute certainty of fascism and theocracy offered by the Republicans and their increasingly fanatical supporters -- I have no alternative but to close ranks with the man who promised “change we can believe in.”
I think that is the looming reality Ms. Klein was trying to suggest but -- perhaps because it is so dreadfully reminiscent of Kerensky’s Russia or Weimar Germany or the Spanish Republic -- could not bring herself to describe with her usual eloquence. Meanwhile if the threats from the Right continue to escalate, each of us will soon be forced to ask ourselves the definitive question raised by that old anthem of the pro-union Appalachian coal miners: “which side are you on?”
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» The continuing Need to invent obama defenders, which means never getting specific about Nader.
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» "It's been x months, blah-blah-blah" So what?
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» Hmmm....
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Posted by: ellie on Apr 18, 2009 6:22 AM
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sitting back and watching hope fade is a sadness that can turn to action... action anyone???
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Posted by: Basenjis on Apr 18, 2009 7:35 AM
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But I am so saddened for those who had such high hopes and those who worked their hearts out only to find the progressives they had hoped to see become Obama's appointees passed over for people they can't bring themselves to trust. This includes most members of my large extended family and practically every friend I have. I can see the disappointment in their eyes, but I think they still cling to hope.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 18, 2009 8:35 AM
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How many people were unable to buy corn, starved because it was their mainstay staple in their diet?
Pull your panites out of your asses lefties, You are embarassing US True progressives once again.
Progressive by definition mean forard movement in a Step by step process. Not Leaping befroe you look. Nor does it means a magic wand or tooth fairy will suddenly right all wrongs and Woes.
Just as the Repugs, it takes decades to see the results of changing course. We were on a path to full civil rights for ALL citizens in the '60s. Were making gains on Womens Rights. Yet we are still discussing Reproductive Rights and Gay Rights 40 yrs later. Because the Repugs ere able to not only stall out the progress, but cause it to regress.Nor did this economic meltdown (economic treason) happen over night- it's taken them since Reagan to re institute Feudalism here. They had to not only change laws, but also change the mind set of Americans to become fanatical conspicuous consumers. This took efforts on various fronts- corps, media, cirriculums, Philosphical/Religion. Ya think you can Deprogramm and De infestate on a dime or even 3 months?
Come on Naomi, your smarter than that. This is not only going to take a concerted effort in various fronts, but Time.
We need to not only CAREFULLY unravel Wall street, We need to Debunk the psychology and sociology which spawned it.
We have a hellova lot of work ahead of US, and at times we may need to let a few thing slide until we get other things in proper order. Any Rash or ill concieved gutteral reaction could cause an utter collpase, not only in our economy , but in our national psyche.
Why do you think those torture memos have come out in such slow motion. Most we already knew. But we have to put somethings in Black & White for the Rip Van Winkles to begin to accept. Slow exposure to the light.
Waht would have happened if Obama signed arrest warrant for Bush, Cheney ,Rummy,Wolfie et al on 1-20-09. the Sleeping would have had a psychiatric breakdown. And what would have happened to his more progressive agenda- like on helathcare, education, the Stim Bill. Absolutely Nothing- Dems would be too frightened of taking any further bold moves.
so Obama has to dance with some Devils. Look what the Repugs ahd to do to gain power- they had to behold their party to the Religious Right, Far more detrimetnal to them in the long run.
So should Obama beholden the Entire Dem party to the Fringe of our party too. Hell NO! hell we'd all be forced to become Vegans, we'd lose our Personal Freedom to Smoke and eat cholestrol Foods,mass production would stop,... We'd basically be thrown back into the age of Horse & buggy, if not the Stone age!We'd be wearing fig leafs and foraging for berries.Move over Great apes were taking your swatch of palm leaves.
So if your going to Demand, make sure this time you have a bit more Forethought attached to it. the Left's Biofuel mantra only aided in proving the Oil industries point that Fossil fuels were better than Corn when it comes to immediate effects on human life.
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» I've heard of hemp and algae as far better biofuels. In fact, they could be biocrude.
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Apr 18, 2009 9:04 AM
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We are a government of the banksters, by the banksters, and for the banksters..not the people..!
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Posted by: Iraan Ozono on Apr 18, 2009 12:42 PM
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Posted by: mnstra on Apr 18, 2009 1:25 PM
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Remove you money from big banks and put it into credit unions-- now......more powerful that voting for Obadiah and harboring false hopes.Big banks will may go down and your money will be safe in community credit unions!
Tech Nact Hann says that hope is an impediment to being in the here and now, fully aware; because hope is so future oriented that one cannot be present now for life.
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Posted by: bodhidude on Apr 18, 2009 4:57 PM
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» "hope" will be a dirty word in 2012 when Obama loses at the rate he's going.
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» There were those of us who were immune to the "hope and change" pixy dust Obama threw at us all.
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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Apr 18, 2009 5:10 PM
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A Vote of Confidence Amendment will give American voters the power to dismiss any elected official at any time.
VOCA, Now !!
FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 18, 2009 7:56 PM
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wanna? know the latest??? Michael moore made a progpaganda film where they attempt to bamboozle the PUBLIC by claiming CUBA'S healthcare is better than the USA ....and that the USA should go to the CUBAN model for healthcare.
WANNA KNOW??? what the reality is and whaaat they are really HIDING... the reality is in CUBA people have to BEG FROM TOURISTS for allergy inhalers and aspirin. You can bet if Americans are allowed to be bamboozled into Socialist healthcare DEMS will make SURE USA is WORSE OFF than CUBA.
According to the new stimulus if your child needs antibiotics and the GOV only wants to give them Asprin or NOTHING guess whaaat they will get ASPIRIN or NOTHING.
Whats worse.. if your/adult/child are X percent sick they ARE LEFT TO DIE.
Soc healthcare is MORE expensive AND gives NO HEALTHCARE. We are no scholar, but you don't need to be a scholar to SEE whaaat is wrong with the DEMS scenario.
DEMS LIED to claim our healthcare system is broken. SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE is MORE EXPENSIVE and gives NO HEALTHCARE.
PEOPLE, OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.
THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.
ALLOWING the DEMS socialize healthcare not only would prove expensive but DEADLY. Think about it?? DEMS WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY BUT DENY PUBLIC the meds and services it needs while GOV POCKETS THE CASH TO SPEND ON PORK.
don't ALLOW yourselves to be put off seek LEGISLATIVE and LEGAL ACTION TO KICK STIMULUS OUT AND BAILOUT. go see --The National Center for Public policy Research and American center for law and justice
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 18, 2009 7:59 PM
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However, when it comes to doing something GOOD to BAILOUT the PUBLIC the DEMS don't want it--which incidentally is why this is probably the first time you are reading or hearing about it.
To the present it's only one of the 1 % group of people attempting to destroy our Nation's economic systems.
WHY??? It was said to a WASH DC VIP---that the reason the Socialists think they will win this time and are doing this is because ACLU and their DEMS SLUGS -- they don't think American's are " smart enough" to care to let their fingers do the walking to protect their lands, their CONSTITUTION or their freedoms. The DEMS and ACLU don't think the 99% of American's will be 'smart enough" to CARE about their country, their homes, their small business enough to kick the WASH DC SLUGS out and send them packing by way of Balagovich for NOT doing what is right to protect PUBLIC freedoms and the free enterprise system (ie meaning small business/med business) and rights.
Therefore, they want to make sure they take all freedoms away from the public and they want to make it impossible for FREE ENTERPRISE to exist for the small business and mid business and sole proprietorship thru gravytraining BIG BUSINESS bankrupting our Nation and MUSCLING OUT the small/med sole proprietorships, and creating a welfare state. A move straight out of the marxist handbook. and by attempting to eradicate free speech.
Then, we will be SOCIALIST/GLOBALIST/MARX/FACIST/COMM COUNTRY and the marketplace will be MONOPOLIZED AND DOMINATED by the ENGORGED 1 or 2 or several big businesses in sector. Gone will be the hope for any American whom would wish to start a business and earn profit to live on
Seek legislative and LEGAL agencies to DISMANTLE the bailout and kick out the SOCIALIST stimulus.
SEE --CIVI COUNCIL THOMAS CROMWELL also Amer Ctr for Law and Justice and The National Center for public policy research AND CIVIC COUNCIL THOMAS CROMWELL & Campaign to save Soc Sec and Medicare A project of the Natl Assoc for Uniformed Svcs
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 18, 2009 8:01 PM
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HR 236 & BE9006 COLA PROTECTION
it will protect these benefits without
1. RAISING TAXES
2. WITHOUT RAISING PREMIUMS
3. WITHOUT CUTTING SERVICES
It's no surprise DEMS want to do away with Lobby groups working for PUBLIC to be protected. It won't pass unless there is an OUTPOURING of PUBLIC pressure on CONGRESS.
PEOPLE CLAIM THAT THERE ARE ONLY IOU'S---HOWEVER enacting hr 236 hr 219 be 9006 cola protection will ASSURE that when baby boomers start to retire in 2012 the money will BE THERE & for future, but DEMS DON'T WANT PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT.
Politicians would rather scare everyone with tax cuts & service cuts rather than keep their hands out of SOC SEC "till" --to keep on using SOC SEC as a "petty cash fund" for pork projects instead which will further aid in bankrupting this Nation.
They would rather scare everyone by claiming it's needful to raise taxes or make cuts OR their Socialist rhetoric of---how "selfish" everyone" is for not wanting to pay higher taxes; Rather than refrain from 'raiding" SOC SEC for their pet pork projects.
Here the DEMS CONGRESS JUST took a COLA INCREASE for CONGRESS OF 550.22 PER MONTH ... while DECIDING you THE PUBLIC could live on 63.00 per month COLA.
they want to raise taxes and price of foods and prescription and even eggs is up 55 %.
and yet they say $63.00 a month--a lousy 5% COLA INCREASE is enough for PUBLIC. PLUS want the public to PAY HIGHER TAXES and participate in an unconstitutional bailout
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 18, 2009 8:03 PM
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ENGLAND---the NATIONAL HEALTHCARE JUST UP AND DECIDED TO HALT KNEE AND HIP REPLACEMENTS FOR OVERWEIGHT PEOPLE.
in SOUTH AFRICA- PATIENTS DIED after his life saving surgery was RE-CLASSIFIED as 'elective' and CANCELED seven YES THAT'S RIGHT SEVEN times until it was simply to late.
in AUSTRALIA man has been on a 90 day waiting PERIOD---for over 2 years.
in Canada -cancer patients have been DENIED life saving medicines that are standard treatment in USA and covered by USA INSURANCE.
ENGLAND AGAIN---- Alheimer's patients denied $5 a day drug that provides crucial relief because it's considered TOO EXPENSIVE.
CUBA---they are FORCED to BEG tourists for common medicines like allergy and asthma inhalers and even aspirin.
EVERYWHERE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE HAS BEEN TRIED IT HAS FAILED.
The DEMS BRAND of getting around using the term SOCIALIZED MEDICINE is to dress up their BIG GOVERNMENT schemes to bamboozle public by calling it UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE OR HEALTH CARE FOR ALL to 'diguise' the fact it should be labeled as HEALTHCARE FOR NONE so the BIG GOV can pocket the funds.
NO matter how these DEMS CALL soc med it always has the same RESULTS---RATIONED HEALTHCARE, DENIAL OF ESSENTIAL MEDICAL SERVICE, WAITING LISTS, MEDIOCRE MEDICINE, AND UNNECESSARY SUFFERING AND DEATH. and for whaaat?? so gov can pocket the funds. always the bottom line.
MEANWHILE WASH DC SLUGS end up with final say over your most intimate medical decisions NOT YOU AND NOT YOUR DOCTOR.
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 18, 2009 8:04 PM
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wanna? know the latest??? Michael moore made a progpaganda film where they attempt to bamboozle the PUBLIC by claiming CUBA'S healthcare is better than the USA ....and that the USA should go to the CUBAN model for healthcare.
WANNA KNOW??? what the reality is and whaaat they are really HIDING... the reality is in CUBA people have to BEG FROM TOURISTS for allergy inhalers and aspirin. You can bet if Americans are allowed to be bamboozled into Socialist healthcare DEMS will make SURE USA is WORSE OFF than CUBA.
According to the new stimulus if your child needs antibiotics and the GOV only wants to give them Asprin or NOTHING guess whaaat they will get ASPIRIN or nothing. Soc healthcare is MORE expensive AND gives NO HEALTHCARE. We are no scholar, but you don't need to be a scholar to SEE whaaat is wrong with the DEMS scenario.
PEOPLE OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.
THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.
ALLOWING the DEMS socialize healthcare not only would prove expensive but DEADLY. Think about it?? DEMS WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY BUT DENY PUBLIC the meds and services it needs while GOV POCKETS THE CASH TO SPEND ON PORK.
TAKE A LOOK .. 50% OF BRITISH AND NEW ZEALANDS WOMEN diagnosed with breast cancer DIE. however, HERE IN USA only 1/5th breast cancer sufferers DIE FROM IT. did you know hair dye are directly linked to breast cancer??
25 % CANADIA men and 50% of british men diagnosed with prostrate cancer die from it. HERE, IN USA less than 1/5th men die from it.
BRITISH-ER'S with serious illnesses are 7 times more likely to die from them than AMERICANS with such conditions.
BRITISH-ERS are also 4 times MORE likely to DIE during major surgery than Americans.
IN most countries if you are OVER A CERTAIN AGE like 75 they will let you die.
this is what awaits America if public doesn't do what it takes NOW to seek LEGAL ACTION to kick out SOC healthcare stimulus AND BAILOUT.
see The National Center for Public Policy Research also see American Ctr for LAW and Justice
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» That all looks like incoherent ranting and raving.
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Posted by: james108 on Apr 19, 2009 7:16 AM
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When you think of how big and orchestrated the deception was, you know we are in for a fight.
I'd say we're stuck between hope fiends who are angry at those who would question Obama, and those hopelashers trying disparately to wake up the lost Stepford wives, and make them realize the left is in the fight for its life. Many conservatives still don't realize that they are still being misdirected by their own party. Fight democrats, don't come together with the ones who see past the lies to demand change.
McCain could never have neutralized the anti-war movement with a warm smile like Obama and the democrats have. If you check out http://www.blackagendareport.com, there are some nice articles about how he's destroying the hope of African American economic and social justice. This didn't start with Obama, but he seems to have escalated it in a way that even middle aged hippies can feel good about though.
I know it sucks that we couldn't get Republicans on our side during the Bush years. However, even though some may only see the corruption because a democrat doing it now, we can't become like they were. We cannot hide his corruption and obvious intent because it's "our side". Bush helped lead Republicans, supposedly a small government, conservative sect into big government expansion, torture, wiretapping Americans, wars for oil and construction contracts, and more. Are we going to let Obama lead the Democrats, supposedly an anti-war, populist, pro-environment, liberal sect into supporting torture, wiretapping Americans, wars for oil and construction contracts, corn ethanol subsidies, "clean coal" language, stripping what little constitutional protection and privacy Americans have left, supporting Israel's apartheid, even paying for hired mercenaries, which may or not all be deployed in Israel, by the way, oh yea, and handing over trillions in borrowed money on our behalf to his bankster street backers.
Do we really have to defend this behavior against the "right wingers"? That's how Bush got away with it. Recently disillusioned "conservatives" had this same instinctive defense of Bush and the republicans, so much so, they didn't want to even look into things mentioned about what the government may or may not have done or were planning.
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Apr 19, 2009 9:43 AM
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Posted by: AJR Journal on Apr 19, 2009 12:38 PM
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He did not start fresh, he stepped in to take the place of the previous president. That ties his hands, to some extent.
It seems to me that he is proposing a lot of different, new things. Will they all be adopted? Probably not.
It is too early for buyer's remorse.
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Apr 19, 2009 3:29 PM
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P.S.: I did once get a reply telling me that we already have the pre-2005 Obama. Well, I still have yet to find any proof that he was nowhere as progressive when he served in IL. Maybe I'm not getting the results. If anyone can show me a link that gives Obama's record as sellout when he served in local and state levels in IL, please do so. I'm trying to find a bright side to this guy for Christ's sakes.
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Posted by: EinMD on Apr 19, 2009 6:35 PM
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However, I am seriously pissed off about the torture shit. I'm so angry about it I cannot adequately express it. Torture is unacceptable under any circumstances. It's illegal. It's immoral. It erodes our moral standing in the world. It makes it a certainty that in any coming conflict our own troops and possibly citizens will be tortured by our enemies. It keeps our intelligence and anti-crime personnel running around chasing bullshit false leads and it wastes time, money and other resources.
The only 'evidence' we have of it's efficacy is Dick Cheney's word and I wouldn't trust that man to park my car let alone have the power to kidnap a child and crush his testicles to get to the parents. Versus the word of the five or six intelligence related personnel who have come out saying that it absolutely does not work.
The fact that Obama's AG is saying there will be no prosecutions is unconscionable to me. But I am smart enough to realize that were it Launchpad McCain and Caribou Barbie in charge - there definitely wouldn't be any prosecutions and none of the documentation would be released at all.
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Posted by: rayne on Apr 19, 2009 7:43 PM
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To produce programs capable of meeting the current crises, we are all going to have to stop WHINING and start HELPING.
there. that's better.
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Posted by: robbrian on Apr 24, 2009 3:57 AM
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Very few realize that the Fed is the source of our total indebtedness. Were the government allowed to print and issue its own money there would be no interest charge. Since the Woodrow Wilson administration gave that constitutional authority to the Fed in 1913, the Fed issues our currency and charges us for it.
Therein lies the $14 trillion principle upon which we pay $300-$400 billion in interest. And with the bailout tsunami adding an additional $9.9 trillion (see Hightower Lowdown Vol. 11 No. 4 April 2009) it is assured that we will never be a debt free nation. Contrary to the Cheney mantra that "Deficits don't matter" just watch what happens to your real estate taxes, school system programs, library services, and local health and safety programs. There is no money for these programs and soon there will be no money for food kitchens and tent cities.
We are purely fucked forever as debt slaves if we don't get the Fed and the 30,000, global, private individual owners who benefit from our interest payments out of our currency system.
We never needed a central bank. Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich have been right about the dangers and disasters wrought by the Fed. But Obama is their acolyte and will not roil his masters. We the people must rise up against this tyranny destroying our future.
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