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We're Being Lied to About Pirates

By Johann Hari, Independent UK. Posted April 13, 2009.


Some are clearly just kidnappers and gangsters. But others are trying to stop illegal dumping and devastating fishing.

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Who imagined that in 2009, the world's governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates? As you read this, the British Royal Navy – backed by the ships of more than two dozen nations, from the US to China – is sailing into Somalian waters to take on men we still picture as parrot-on-the-shoulder pantomime villains. They will soon be fighting Somalian ships and even chasing the pirates onto land, into one of the most broken countries on earth. But behind the arrr-me-hearties oddness of this tale, there is an untold scandal. The people our governments are labeling as "one of the great menaces of our times" have an extraordinary story to tell – and some justice on their side.

Pirates have never been quite who we think they are. In the "golden age of piracy" – from 1650 to 1730 – the idea of the pirate as the senseless, savage Bluebeard that lingers today was created by the British government in a great propaganda heave. Many ordinary people believed it was false: pirates were often saved from the gallows by supportive crowds. Why? What did they see that we can't? In his book Villains Of All Nations, the historian Marcus Rediker pores through the evidence.

If you became a merchant or navy sailor then – plucked from the docks of London's East End, young and hungry – you ended up in a floating wooden Hell. You worked all hours on a cramped, half-starved ship, and if you slacked off, the all-powerful captain would whip you with the Cat O' Nine Tails. If you slacked often, you could be thrown overboard. And at the end of months or years of this, you were often cheated of your wages.

Pirates were the first people to rebel against this world. They mutinied – and created a different way of working on the seas. Once they had a ship, the pirates elected their captains, and made all their decisions collectively, without torture. They shared their bounty out in what Rediker calls "one of the most egalitarian plans for the disposition of resources to be found anywhere in the eighteenth century".

They even took in escaped African slaves and lived with them as equals. The pirates showed "quite clearly – and subversively – that ships did not have to be run in the brutal and oppressive ways of the merchant service and the Royal Navy." This is why they were romantic heroes, despite being unproductive thieves.

The words of one pirate from that lost age, a young British man called William Scott, should echo into this new age of piracy. Just before he was hanged in Charleston, South Carolina, he said: "What I did was to keep me from perishing. I was forced to go a-pirateing to live." In 1991, the government of Somalia collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since – and the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.

Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury – you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Mr Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by overexploitation – and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m-worth of tuna, shrimp, and lobster are being stolen every year by illegal trawlers. The local fishermen are now starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

This is the context in which the "pirates" have emerged. Somalian fishermen took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least levy a "tax" on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia – and ordinary Somalis agree. The independent Somalian news site WardheerNews found 70 per cent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence".

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters – especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But in a telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali: "We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas." William Scott would understand.

Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our toxic waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We won't act on those crimes – the only sane solution to this problem – but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 per cent of the world's oil supply, we swiftly send in the gunboats.

The story of the 2009 war on piracy was best summarised by another pirate, who lived and died in the fourth century BC. He was captured and brought to Alexander the Great, who demanded to know "what he meant by keeping possession of the sea." The pirate smiled, and responded: "What you mean by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, while you, who do it with a great fleet, are called emperor." Once again, our great imperial fleets sail – but who is the robber?


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An observation
Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Apr 13, 2009 12:34 AM   
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They even took in escaped African slaves and lived with them as equals. The pirates showed "quite clearly – and subversively – that ships did not have to be run in the brutal and oppressive ways of the merchant service and the Royal Navy." This is why they were romantic heroes, despite being unproductive thieves.

Considering many enlisted men on the naval vessels had to be press ganged into service (kidnapped as orphans or as the children of poor families in slums), it's not surprising the discipline on the ships was severe. How else would you control kidnapped pre-teens and adolescents from awful backgrounds when you're trying to force them into the loneliest, more rigorous working conditions for little reward? Their only stake in the well-being of the ship was to keep it from being sunk so they didn't drown.

At least pirates had a real stake in their vessels and missions: monetary reward and cool outlaw status. This, combined with the fact many were fleeing exploitative navies and merchant navies, probably accounts for the democratic social structure of pirate life.

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» One correction: Posted by: and_abottleofrum
» RE: An observation Posted by: donl51
What would Pompey do?
Posted by: Honky the Nihilist... on Apr 13, 2009 12:36 AM   
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Yes: nuclear waste.

Lies. Where is the proof? Am I supposed to take your world about some global Mafioso conspericy? Prove it.

“More than $300m-worth of tuna, shrimp, and lobster are being stolen every year by illegal trawlers.”

More Lies. No one owns international waters.

The independent Somalian news site WardheerNews found 70 per cent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence.”

Yet more Lies . What was the methodology used to conduct this poll? Was the other 30% too fucked up on cot to answer?

These pirates should learn their place. Do they really believe that they could hold first world countries for ransom forever? We let their children starve to death. We clearly have no problem plugging a couple of thugs that had their asses handed to them by unarmed sailors and then broke their word to exchange the captain for their fellow dirt bags.

Burn in hell Somali. I remember what happened when Americans tried to feed you.

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» RE: What would Pompey do? Posted by: rgoalierob
» Absolutely Posted by: 2thepoint
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Another observation
Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Apr 13, 2009 12:37 AM   
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At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by overexploitation – and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m-worth of tuna, shrimp, and lobster are being stolen every year by illegal trawlers. The local fishermen are now starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

Why on earth would Europeans eat fish taken from waters where nuclear waste and heavy metals are being dumped? Clearly ordinary Europeans don't know much about this situation or they'd be more aware of the sources of their seafood.

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» RE: Another observation Posted by: helenahanbasquet
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» RE: Another observation Posted by: titusoye
» RE: Another observation Posted by: redroadtraveler
» RE: Another observation Posted by: and_abottleofrum
Why so hard on gangsters and thugs?
Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Apr 13, 2009 12:59 AM   
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No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters – especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But in a telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali: "We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas." William Scott would understand.

I realize even the most radical discourses still fret to take a sympathetic stance on gangsters and ransom-motivated kidnappers, but I'll defend them anyway. Yeah they're brutal and cross lines that other people from similar backgrounds rarely cross, but it's not like these are people who grow up with lots of options. In Search of Respect: Selling Crack in El Barrio by Phillipe Bourgois presents a valuable analysis of the social and psychological conditions that lead young Puerto Rican men in East Harlem to become drug dealers.

Even more pathetic lives are what probably drive many Somalians into piracy. When your options are limited to starving in the slums of Mogadishu or getting involved with the informal economy, the latter looks good to some ambitious, entrepreneurial spirits in spite of the risks. It's not like their life expectancies would be so much greater if they kept out of organized crime. And the monetary rewards are far greater than those of impoverished idleness.

If these people came from more fortunate circumstances they'd be ordinary businessmen. The more cutthroat among them, like the syndicate leaders, would be corporate executives.

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Why all the hatred against poor, exploited people?
Posted by: undead on Apr 13, 2009 1:16 AM   
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The rich countries are continue to exploit the poor countries and peoples.

If they fight back, they are called terrorist or pirates.

If they don't, we call them nothing.

The banksters are exploiting these people.

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» RE:Barely humanitarian aid. Posted by: sasquuatch55
There is always more to the story.......THANKS. You do this well. Why not do the same for 9/11?
Posted by: pfgetty on Apr 13, 2009 2:56 AM   
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Alternet, you so well find and follow the REST of the story on so many issues. Seldom is the story we are being told the whole story, the real truth of the matter.
The Independent does a good job in researching this, and you do a good job of presenting it.
And the same goes for so many crimes of the Bush administration.
And that is why I am so confused as to why you cannot possibly present ANY evidence and facts about the OTHER side of the 9/11 story.........the story that says that there is a LOT of evidence that tells us that 9/11 was an inside job.
The work is already done..........hundreds of obvious facts and contradictions and impossibilities of the official story that tell us it is a lie, and there is a coverup.
And there are thousands of people with high achievements and pillars of their communities that have signed on to 9/11 truth on the websites (google Patriots Question 9/11), like former military and CIA officers, architects and engineers (see www.ae911truth), other scientists, doctors, clergy, political leaders.
And yet, Alternet, and its journalists, and all alternative and msm journalists, have decided that they will avoid the biggest story of all time.
And no explanation. They just don't go there. None of the well written and well regarded analyses of that day by people like David Ray Griffin, Kevin Ryan, Steven Jones, Richard Gage, and others ever shows up, without insult, in the media.
What a travesty!
Is it threats? Pressures? Journalists, at least some very honest and brave, generally go after any big story. Not in this case.
And we don't know why.
And we all suffer because of it.

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Poor misunderstood fisherman!
Posted by: 2thepoint on Apr 13, 2009 4:24 AM   
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Somalian pirates - strong ties with terrorists organization - funneling money they extort in complex banking transactions to mid east terror groups.

None of it reaches the poor of Somalia.

Why is it no surprise that we now see an article supportive of Somalian pirates??? What about the Pirates off Indonesia, or even in the Caribbean.

So the story about how they are just a misunderstood group of fisherman is about as plausible as Bin laden just being a cave dweller and incapable of conducting the 9/11 attack!

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Bankers vs. Pirates
Posted by: jingles on Apr 13, 2009 6:01 AM   
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Gigantic banks have looted billions, and then get trillions from the government. Banks facilitate the most vile criminal, warlords, drug kingpins etc., and are unaccountable. Internet pirates "steal" content (though only rarely does money exchanges hands), and cases are brought against the sites hosting the illegal content.
These Somali pirates steal from the rich for years and the US is the first to spill blood. They live in a lawless land and are expected to live by the law.
Too bad this article has no sources for what is clearly a complex situation.
Some background is available on Jeremy Scahill's rebelreports.com, especially today's Will Obama Prosecute the Captured Somali 'Pirate' in a US Court? and his earlier Putting Today's 'Pirate' Attack in Context

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Piracy was key to the rise of European power
Posted by: MeyravLevine on Apr 13, 2009 6:05 AM   
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European powers owe their rise to savage piracy that they engaged in against the East Indies and the African nations.

The British took it one step further when they started targeting fellow Europeans, specifically Span and Portugal.

Sir Francis Drake, the legendary British sailor was in fact in the business of piracy. His knighthood was in reward of the treasures he looted from Portuguese and Spanish merchant ships:

"Drake set out with five ships, the largest, the Pelican, he later renamed the Golden Hind. Drake captured a Portuguese ship and its captain, Nuno da Silva, off the African coast, near the Cape Verde islands. Drake used da Silva's detailed maps to sail along the Brazilian and Argentine coasts.

Drake spent several months off the coasts of Peru, Ecuador, and Chile, attacking Spanish ports and ships. Drake struck paydirt when he captured a Spanish vessel, Nuestra Señora de la Concepción. The ship was laden with gold, silver, and jewels. Later he landed at what is now San Francisco bay, declaring the land for England. He christened it Nova Albion, "New England." With captured Spanish maps and charts, he made his way across the Pacific and Indian Oceans, back to England. This commoner became a national hero and a titled gentleman. Queen Elizabeth knighted him aboard the Golden Hind in 1581.

In 1585, Drake received a commission by Queen Elizabeth. A syndicate backed him, including Sir Walter Raleigh. Originally, he was to lead a fleet into the Moluccas Islands in the south Pacific, but those plans did not come to fruition. Later the Queen's plans turned toward the West Indies. Unofficially, he was to intercept the Spanish flota bringing treasure from the West Indies. If this proved unsuccessful, he was to venture to the Caribbean and carry out raids on Santo Domingo, Cartagena and Panama. No formal declaration of war would be declared, thus shielding the Queen from Spanish reproach.

John Maynard Keynes wrote about the exploits of Drake: "The booty that Drake brought home may fairly be considered the fountain and origin of British foreign investments."

In the Atlantic, the entire British operation prior to 1630 was a "predatory drive of armed traders and marauders to win by fair means or foul a share of the Atlantic wealth." wrote historian Kenneth Andrews.

Piracy was one of the key ingredients in the rise of Europe.

If invading merchant ships is wrong, then surely the invasion of a entire country must be far worse. The faux righteous indignation of the wingnut trolls is laughable in light of their enthusiastic support for the Anglo-Saxon invasion of Iraq.

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The perfect libertarian/Objectivist paradise
Posted by: sausage on Apr 13, 2009 6:31 AM   
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Somalia is the perfect testbed for libertarians of every stripe and Ayn Rand-cultists to carry out a grand experiment in laissez faire governance.

The Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia is the perfect example of non-coercive, co-operation among a group of like-minded individuals, though in actual practice it does border dangerously on collectivism. Be that as it may, the VCS, as I just dubbed it, operates entirely without tax funding from any central government, therefore operating totally without governmental coercion!

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Help Me: I'm Confused
Posted by: Triton on Apr 13, 2009 6:37 AM   
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Occupations associated with the sea have always been dangerous even when lawful. Piracy, which is marine terrorism, is diserving of more than just the hazards normally encountered by sailors and ships. For far too long we have allowed these bandits, who have no respect for life or property, to pillage without restraint. We do ,of course, have similar piracy on land which is concentrated in harbors like Wall Street and Washington, D.C. It is clear that the latter form of piracy is not only acceptable and encouraged but has also become our unique contribution to democracy.

We are taught from childhood that we are responsible for our actions. In a democracy this applies equally to the rich, the poor and the politicians. The responsibilities of the rich and the politicians are to steal from and suppress the poor. The responsibilities of the poor are to live under bridges, eat out of dumpsters, die in wars and die for lack of proper health care. The poor, primarily, are also responsible for filling our prisions which currently represent one of our few growth industries.

There is no reason to be distress by the outcome of the recent events off the coast of Somalia. We are a nation that is governed by the rules of law. They were and are lawless and have been held responsible for their actons.

Poluting the earth, the atmosphere, the water as well as destroying the forests, depleating the sea of fish, endengering the diversity of plant life and exposing humanity to increasing levels of ionizing radiation are not crimes. These are the rights of corporations and governents.

Why am I confused?

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Would it be too much trouble to document your claims of nuclear waste dumping?
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 13, 2009 7:03 AM   
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Extraordinairy assertions are usually accompanied by extraordinary evidence amongst folks who think that others should take them seriously.

Do these "mystery" barrels dumped by "mysterious European ships" not show up on film then?

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» Indeed... Posted by: ABetterFuture
QUICK!: everybody MILITARIZE transport & GET PRIVATE GUARDS
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Apr 13, 2009 7:13 AM   
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ooh, Blackwater / "Xi" must be licking their chops!

even better:

NOW THAT TRADE SHIPS ARE IN FOCUS: it means that EVERY ASPECT OF TRAVEL WILL BE UNDER SURVEILLANCE & the thumbs of American militarized enforcement.

Today in Washington Post:

Kill the Pirates!
The Maersk Alabama at a Kenyan port yesterday. Pirates attacked the ship last week.

By Fred C. Iklé, Monday, April 13, 2009; Page A15
"With the rescue of American Richard Phillips from the hands of pirates yesterday, there was a blip of good news from the Indian Ocean, but it remains a scandal that Somali pirates continue to routinely defeat the world's naval powers. And worse than this ongoing demonstration of cowardice is the financing of terrorists that results from the huge ransom payments these pirates are allowed to collect. ...
Start by blaming the timorous lawyers who advise the governments attempting to cope with the pirates such as those who had been engaged in a standoff with U.S. hostage negotiators in recent days. These lawyers misinterpret the Law of the Sea Treaty and the Geneva Conventions and fail to apply the powerful international laws that exist against piracy. The right of self-defense -- a principle of international law -- justifies killing pirates as they try to board a ship.
..."

Oh yeah... Cheney & his Militarizing Investor Class must be laughing himself sick.

"all those black & brown TERRORISTS! muahahahaha! They're coming to get you... mauahahahahah!"





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Thank You for the Fair & Unvarnished Truth
Posted by: madmax427 on Apr 13, 2009 7:16 AM   
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To Me it seems too rare to read articles that go against the "corporate" (good)! Those "In Power" will do & say anything that promotes Their agenda(s) while Those suffering from the illegal/Immoral actions of the "Powerful" take the blame for defending themselves.

Not only do I see this, I personally am living through this type of B.S.! I have been trying for about five years to expose Union Pacific Railroads Crimes & in 4 days, I will be in Court to face losing My Home because My Father was turned into an Incomplete Quadrapelegic on one of U.P.s SUBStandard R/R Crossings, suffered for over 18 Months & then died. Since I have only a Non-Service connected disability, I could no longer afford to pay the Mortgage I shared with My Father. Now I am Their target! http://www.whatsyourlifeworth2.info

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Pirates Levying Taxes
Posted by: EinMD on Apr 13, 2009 8:22 AM   
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Sorry, to levy taxes you have to have a government that controls more than four square blocks in your capital.

This article is BS. Maybe a few of these people are in fact Green Peace style activists.... but the ones storming container ships with AK's and taking crew members hostage and asking for millions of dollars in randoms definitely are not.

To say this article is flawed is putting it kindly.

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Holy crap!
Posted by: JayHaden on Apr 13, 2009 8:24 AM   
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For all of the dumping deniers, above, please google: "toxic waste dumping Somalia."

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» It is better to provide links Posted by: bingahaba
Aid ships carrying toxic waste?
Posted by: DignityForAll on Apr 13, 2009 8:27 AM   
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January 17, 2009, "The Toxic Truth", People and Power, Al Jazeera English, (Part 1) and (Part 2).

"Ilaria Alpi, an Italian journalist, killed in Mogadishu in 1994. Ilaria Alpi was reporting on arms trafficking and the illegal disposal of toxic waste off the coast of Somalia; trafficking featuring Somali and Italian businessmen, offshore companies and secret service agents - trades that continue to this very day, and which are of serious concern."

-- Alleges that humanitarian aid ships were also transporting weapons and toxic waste, and some aid contruction projects were covers for waste disposal, example waste buried under a new road. I don't know, pretty shocking.

Some economists claim that Somali living standards better under anarchy than under the pre-1991 corrupt central state:

Better Off Stateless: Somalia Before and After Government Collapse, 2007, Peter T. Leeson, Economics, West Virginia University, see also Wikipedia: Anarchy in Somalia, Economy of Somalia

Buckminister Fuller put out a sensible historical theory about "The Great Pirates" in his "Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth", condensed version.

Gomorrah (2008), Powerful film (not documentary) about the mafia in Naples, features toxic waste disposal.

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Doesn't Somolia have the same rights as other sovereign nations do?
Posted by: symcokid on Apr 13, 2009 8:30 AM   
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Perhaps this is the only way Somolia has to get the world's attention regarding the illegal dumping of 55 gallon drums of toxic waste into their waters or is this practice legal as long as it is outside of the 12 mile territorial waters? I guess the Somalians will simply have to come over here and overfish inside of our territorial waters and dump all kinds of waste in same.

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Who says crime doesn't pay?
Posted by: willymack on Apr 13, 2009 8:41 AM   
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If you've got an army to back you up, it pays handsomely. Just look back at Iraq, Afghanistan, Halliburton, cheney/bush, AIG, BOA, well you get the idea.

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lol
Posted by: madhypnotist on Apr 13, 2009 8:42 AM   
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illegal dumping... what a better way to make your point than by gunpoint.

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» Gunpoint is often the only way. Posted by: and_abottleofrum
Please BEWARE
Posted by: redbridge on Apr 13, 2009 9:11 AM   
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of comments and figures provided by the IMB or the International Marine Bureau's Piracy Reporting Center.

These folks are the child of ...*'fanfare'*... the International Chamber of Commerce. Consider your source. They consider surveillance by GreenPeace to be an act of maritime aggression.

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Starving, uneducated people aren't lawyers
Posted by: JackieGiles on Apr 13, 2009 9:42 AM   
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or political scientists. They only know the fish they depended on to live aren't there, and their children are crying from hunger pangs, or that their children are sick. They are not concerned about the "health" of international shipping and commerce, they want healthy children and food to sustain them. If they have to cooperate with gangsters and hijack ships to feed their families, they will do it--and so would most people.

This modern piracy is one of the consequences of centuries of European and American and others exploiting Africa, and are some of the "chickens coming home to roost", that Rev. Wright was talking about, but "we" don't want to hear it.

When will we free ourselves from the delusion that "we" are always right and "they" are always wrong? For our own good, it had better be sooner rather than later.

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Pirates
Posted by: lazydog on Apr 13, 2009 10:17 AM   
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"St. Augustine tells the story of a pirate captured by Alexander the Great
who asked him "how he dares molest the sea."
How dare you molest the whole world?" the pirate replied:
because I do it with a little ship only, I am called a thief;
you, doing it with a great navy, are called an Emperor."

~ from Pirates & Emperors by Noam Chomsky

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» RE: My thoughts exactly Posted by: MeyravLevine
I Find Offensive the Idea that Somali Pirates are Actually Armed, Marauding Green Party Protestors!!
Posted by: yellow on Apr 13, 2009 12:06 PM   
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This idea that Somali Piracy is part of an overall political justice movement in search of a redress of maritime greavances is absolutely sickening. The Somali Warlords were the ones who originally accepted millions in bribes from European firms to dump toxic waste in the first place. These warlords, with whom the pirates routinely do business, are the real murderers and oppressors of the Somali People. This babble about pirates seeking justice is nauseating!!

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» christ Posted by: hooka
» Meyrav Levine is a Liar Posted by: EncinoM
Overblown
Posted by: reg373 on Apr 13, 2009 12:26 PM   
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This pirate sitation will get solved - intradiciton by Naval forces can be very effective against unknown ships in open waters -- found a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth

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Pirates Abound
Posted by: rigpa44 on Apr 13, 2009 12:29 PM   
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There are pirates everywhere - on Wall Street, in the oceans, and some who don't look like pirates but are stealing our resources and livelihoods. Islamic laws re: stealing is not broken if a person steals under duress. Pirates are under duress. But it is against international law so they must abide or die. The real issue is money, its distribution and the management of it - done in a life-supporting way by the Somalian government. They haven't figured out how to do this because of its cultural acceptance of bribery and corruption. This delusional way of thinking has become so prevalent that the whole world is caught up in it. It's based on the primary focus of "me", "me", "me" - instead of broadening the perspective into "we". Without a paradigm shift in consciousness, nothing will fundamentally change. Pirates will roam the world in search of booty, and the rest of us will suffer the consequences.

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BREAKING NEWS!
Posted by: wildbill on Apr 13, 2009 12:31 PM   
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This just in: A spokesperson for those Somalians labeled by the West as "pirates" has just stated that they do not consider themselves pirates at all but rather investment-bankers-in-training, starting on a small scale as they await their chance to move to America or Europe, where they can move into the world of really big "financial transactions."

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One again the propaganda machines will crank out,
Posted by: lewb on Apr 13, 2009 5:20 PM   
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stories meant to deflect attention away from the real purpose of the campaign to steal and plunder the people of Somalia and the world.The bad guys
have the tools and the apathy of the self-absorbed
of us to depend on, for it's rapacious appetite.
I shudder to think of the world we are leaving to
future generations. I am heartened by the movements
to improve and educate us in saving the planet from
the corporatocracy and hope they gain enough inertia to continue their march.I do attempt to
use less and to consume less and support initiatives to green up our world.

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GreatNorth
Posted by: brahilly on Apr 13, 2009 7:16 PM   
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When the pirates start asking for ransom for tuna boats and fishing trawlers, instead of private sailboats and oil laden tankers, we can maybe listen. Otherwise, without any substantial proof to the contrary, they are just common sea thugs. No doubt the tide has begun to turn against them.

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Apologists for modern-day piracy. Oh f-ing fantastic
Posted by: briotron on Apr 13, 2009 7:21 PM   
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Look, I'm way out there, I'm very liberal. Kucinich is my favorite politician, I think 9/11 was an inside job, I think we need to apologize & give reparations to Iraq and Afghanistan (not Taliban-- fuck them). I think addressing depleted uranium in the war zones we've created should be a top priority. I can't stand the IDF, I've been a vegan for 12 years, I resisted police during WTO protests in Seattle, I proudly attended a college that had Mumia abu Jamal give the keynote address for the graduating class before mine, I think we need to make cars illegal by the year 2010, I can go on and on. But you guys have lost me on this one.
4 Somali pirates try to take over this commercial ship/its crew for ransom. Tried to TAKE IT OVER WITH AK-47s, god knows what else. They failed. They shot at the captain when he first tried to escape. They kept him hostage at gunpoint. Navy SEALS wipe them out. They asked for it. No? This was in international waters, not even Somali territory. This ship did not wreak havoc of any kind on Somalia. What exactly is being missed here?
The background on pirates of centuries past is interesting. fine. That is not who these modern-day pirates are.
I don't doubt that western economic forces have screwed Somalia on many fronts. That is no excuse. I do seriously doubt that Somali pirates are very poor, or average Somalis. From what I gather they keep the richest "industry" of the country. Maybe the author isn't an apologist for this piracy but surprisingly a whole bunch of you commenters are. I've been watching cable news coverage of this and actually, yes, the poverty of this country is being discussed quite a bit as a factor. If we start going after Somali pirates and end up killing innocent, mistaken civilians in the process, I might shed a tear then

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Poor understanding of pirates.
Posted by: audas on Apr 14, 2009 1:00 AM   
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Pirates are actually privateers on holidays - privateering was used by sovereign nations to authorise attacks on merchant and military ships by NON military commands during periods of war. These privateers were allowed given a percentage of the spoils of their activities. During periods of peace these Privateers turned to Pirates. None of this should be confused with Filibustering or private Merchant navies as used by the Indies companies (times 2). very quick read of "Mercenaries, Pirates and Sovereigns" by Janice E Thompson should clear up your ingrained confusion.
An end to Piracy was finally brought about not because it was "bad" for any one country, notably the British, rather as not controlling all forms of violence from the sovereign perspective was seen as diminishing the sovereigns states authority and control - this all served to underpin Webers theory that a successful state, within a territory, maintains a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence.
Private groups carrying out state functions is best seen in modern USA where 70% of the CIA has been outsourced to private corporations, 100% of its military hardware is produced outside government control, and even the majority of tactical military decisions are made beyond the boundaries of government oversight with long term strategic planning governed by the big four private military suppliers with government involvement as a rubber stamp initiative.
Private Somali citizens protecting their state interests as "pirates" is about as irrelevant as I have ever seen it get.

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Two wrongs don't make a right
Posted by: PJKiger on Apr 14, 2009 5:52 AM   
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It isn't 1650 anymore. The Maersk Alabama wasn't in Somali territorial waters--it was 350 miles off the coast, in international waters. And it wasn't carrying a load of nuclear waste to be dumped, but rather food and other supplies intended for starving people in Somalia. Somali pirates are nothing but violent criminals who are taking advantage of the breakdown of order in their country to enrich themselves with multimillion-dollar ransoms.

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Pirate Apologia!! This is the very kind of shit that makes the left look so fucking stupid.
Posted by: yellow on Apr 14, 2009 2:10 PM   
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Grow up all of ya.

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this story is not credible
Posted by: Lux_Veritas on Apr 15, 2009 3:04 PM   
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1. no corroboration (1)
The reporter writing this article appears to have been a stenographer for the Somali representative's claims. No independent evidence is cited. I treid Googling "toxic waste dumping Somalia" and got nothing of interest.
2. no corroboration (2)
The pirates have not been shy about announcing to the media their intention to now kill American sailors. If waste dumping and stealing fish were actually on their minds, they would have mentioned these grievances by way of justification.
3. self contradictory
The Somalis claim they are getting sickened from all this waste dumping YET at the same time the Europeans are stealing all their valuable radioactive seafood.
4. Romanticizing murderers
There are plentiful accounts of rape, murder and other atrocities committed by pirates, in ancient and modern times both. Google yielded 17,000 hits for "pirates murder". In times of old, if a crew was able to mutiny and overthrow their oppressors there were plenty of choices. The mutineers of the Bounty settled Pitcairn Island and had no need of piracy. Poor or not, you can always try to get rich quick from a life of crime. That doesn't justify it.

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How to marginalize AlterNet
Posted by: Elmo409 on Apr 16, 2009 5:45 AM   
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If you're going to make claims that the people taking merchant and cruse ships hostage are the rarity and the majority are freedom fighting crusaders against pollution dumpers, it behooves you to document your case. As it is, an article like this makes AlterNet appear to be a forum for the lunatic left.

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Europe Has looked the Other Way for Too Long
Posted by: Peace, Shalom Salaam on Apr 16, 2009 12:39 PM   
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European countries have been illegally fishing off of the coasts of Africa for over a decade without retribution or remorse. Here is an except from a two part series in the New York times last year.

"Fish is now the most traded animal commodity on the planet, with about 100 million tons of wild and farmed fish sold each year. Europe has suddenly become the world's largest market for fish, worth more than 14 billion euros, or about $20.6 billion a year. Europe's appetite has grown as its native fish stocks have shrunk so that Europe now needs to import 60 percent of fish sold in the region, according to the European Union.

In Europe, the imbalance between supply and demand has led to a thriving illegal trade. Some 50 percent of the fish sold in the European Union originates in developing nations, and much of it is laundered like contraband, caught and shipped illegally beyond the limits of government quotas or treaties. The smuggling operation is well financed and sophisticated, carried out by large-scale mechanized fishing fleets able to sweep up more fish than ever, chasing threatened stocks from ocean to ocean.

The European Commission estimates that more than 1.1 billion euros in illegal seafood, or $1.6 billion worth, enters Europe each year. The World Wide Fund for Nature contends that up to half the fish sold in Europe are illegally caught or imported. While some of the so-called "pirate fishing" is carried out by non-Western vessels far afield, European ships are also guilty, some of them operating close to home. An estimated 40 percent of cod caught in the Baltic Sea are illegal, said Mireille Thom, a spokeswoman for Joe Borg, the European Union's commissioner of fisheries and maritime affairs."

So one country's pirate is another country's nationalist.

As population growth continues at its rapid pace the human species is pressing against an unsustainable future. If we fail to recognize this then nature will take corrective action as she has done with all the other species that have overpopulated the Earth.

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Pirates & Nuclear waste
Posted by: chomsky on Apr 17, 2009 8:57 AM   
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there's a great video of Hari's point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjreRSFNLTI

the comments are hilarious. all these neocons essentially saying the somalians deserve to be dumped on with toxic nuclear waste.

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propaganda
Posted by: ags121068 on Apr 18, 2009 6:13 PM   
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hey how can someone support a criminal for being ecological?

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