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Mexico's Drug War Bloodbath: Guns from the U.S. Are Destabilizing the Country

By Silja J.A. Talvi, AlterNet. Posted March 18, 2009.


Mexican drug cartels have easy access to thousands of American gun dealers just on the other side of the border.

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A minute is all the time that it takes for an employee in one of almost 7,000 gun shops dotting the U.S./Mexico border to accept a wad of cash from an eager customer, fill out a triplicate sales slip, and slide a nice, new Taurus .45 caliber pistol across the counter. Or two, or three, or twenty, as the case may be. Add those handguns to the countless tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of pistols, sniper and assault rifles, semi-automatic machine guns, shield-piercing bullets, grenades, plastic explosives, as well as anti-tank weapons outfitted with self-propelling rockets passing illegally through the hands of drug cartel foot soldiers and assassins. Throw in the array of weapons favored by DEA and CIA agents, Mexican federal police and military units, and other 'drug warriors,' of one sort or another. These are all people who are ready, willing, and able to use violence to get what they want. If it looks like you’ve got a battle on your hands, you do -- the Mexican drug war has hit boiling point.

Mexican authorities have been quite vocal in the past year about the role that the U.S. is playing in the escalation of gun violence in Mexico. Last year, no less than 20,000 weapons were seized in drug-related actions, raids, arrests, and shoot-outs; nearly all of them were sold in the U.S. (The Mexican government has finally been given electronic access, by the U.S. Department of Justice, to be able to trace the origins of registered weapons, but only if they are used in the commission of crimes.)

Last month, the U.S. government’s own Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs, released its policy-shaping “2009 International Narcotics Strategy Report.” As the bureau had to admit, “U.S.-purchased or stolen firearms account for an estimated 95% of the Mexico’s drug-related killings.”

Nowhere in the report was it emphasized, however, that there are at least 6,600 licensed gun dealers in the four states adjacent to the Mexico border. Or that legal loopholes grant thousands of other unlicensed gun "enthusiasts" and collectors across the country to sell their wares, without inspection or oversight, at weekend gun shows across the country.

“A vast arms bazaar is rampant along the four border states, enabled by porous to nonexistent American gun laws,” The New York Times editorialized on February 27, 2009, after the indictment of George Iknadosian, a gun-shop owner facing federal charges for knowingly providing weapons to members of the Sinaloa cartel. “There should be immense shame on this side of the border that America’s addiction to drugs is bolstered by its feckless gun controls.”

The shame is warranted, and worth pondering. The action that needs to be taken, on the other hand, can afford no such luxury, because the people who have the misfortune to live in one of Mexico’s deadly drug war zones have already become the casualties of our demanding drug habits, our orgiastic worship of guns, and our obsession with profit without concern for consequence. 

In the international munitions and intelligence-gathering marketplace, the U.S. is the #1 supplier/dealer of arms, military transport, law-enforcement and detention equipment, surveillance technology, and “non-lethal” weaponry. On the higher end, weapons deals are usually on the up-and-up, insofar as they’re attached to complex military aid packages, contracts with private contractors, and international “drug interdiction” agreements of the sort that Mexico has with the U.S. through the $1.3 billion Merida Initiative.  Other times, the large-scale transfer of weaponry is far less "legitimate," as in the urban battleground that Mexican law enforcement and military forces now find themselves contending with, courtesy of the weaponry provided to Reagan and Bush-era Central American “allies.” These weapons of war have found their way back up north -- and into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

Nearly every governing body or law enforcement entity imaginable (including Mexico’s equivalent of the FBI, its federal drug control agency, and Attorney General’s office) has been infiltrated by the cartels and wracked with espionage, graft, and corruption scandals. But Mexico is right to insist that the U.S. truly acknowledge the extent to which its own citizens (and policies) create and sustain the consumer market for illicit drugs. There’s no getting around the fact that Americans have the highest illicit substance use and abuse rates in the world, and Mexican drug cartels are but the latest of our transnational network of “suppliers.”

In the 21st century, the drug trade is like any other major industry in that it has been fully globalized -- sin fronteras, without borders. In just so happens that Mexico’s narco-cartels are now in the lucrative position of picking up where other players in the transnational drug trade have left off -- or, more to the point, were temporarily or permanently forced out because of individual arrests, sting operations, asset seizures, or other interdiction efforts. Even if the Gulf, Sinaloa, Juárez, and Tijuana cartels were to be completely dismantled tomorrow, there will always be some enterprising individual, group, or full-fledged criminal syndicate  to step in where others have been derailed. Why? Americans have a seemingly insatiable appetite for mind-altering substances, whether in the form of cocaine, heroin, hallucinogens, tranquilizers, uppers, downers, and painkillers of all kinds. And what a profit-generating market this is. According to the National Drug Intelligence Center, wholesale drug profits amount to somewhere between $18 billion and $39 billion annually for the Colombian and Mexican drug cartels. Internationally, the illicit drug trade is estimated to generate at least $320 billion per year.

In light of that, the international drug war coordinating agency known as the United Nations on Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), has become a bit more forthcoming about pointing out the causal and interconnected variables linking the U.S. with their “supplier” nations.

Leading up to the International Commission on Narcotic Drugs, which was called into session on March 11th in Vienna, UNODC Executive Director Antonio Maria Costa oversaw the preparation of several reports to measure the extent of progress toward a “drug-free” world, as outlined by an United Nations meeting and strategy in 1998. These reports, “The Threat of Narco-Trafficking in the Americas” (October 2008), and “Organized Crime and its Threat to Security: Tackling a disturbing consequence of drug control” (March 2009), are unsurprisingly opposed to the decriminalization or legalization of drugs. But they do, somewhat surprisingly, sing a different tune about the U.S. role in the international drug trade than in previous years.

Noting that 95% of the world’s population does not engage in illicit drug use, and that there are far more deaths attributable to alcohol, tobacco, and legal drugs, the “Organized Crime” report highlights a “disturbing consequence of drug control,” by way of “creation of a lucrative black market for controlled substances, dominated by powerful crime cartels and resulting in unprecedented violence and corruption.”
“Drugs are a commodity,” as the UNODC states. “Profits are ploughed back into increasing the capacity for violence and into corrupting public officials. Together, violence and corruption drive away investment and undermine governance to the point that the rule of law itself becomes questionable.” 

In his preface to “The Threat of Narco-Trafficking in the Americas,” Costa makes another bolder-than-expected statement: “Tackling the threat of narco-trafficking in the Americas is a shared responsibility. No country is immune from the problem: all participate, either as a source of drugs, a transit country for trafficking, or an importer.”

On this point, Costa is absolutely right. By now, it has been clearly and abundantly demonstrated that Americans aren’t just the biggest consumers of illicit drugs in the world, but that the sheer number of our gun shops -- and the ease with which weapons can be purchased -- are significantly responsible for the level of gun violence in Mexico. Still, as recently as August 2008, by comparison, FBI Director Mueller’s speech at the 5th Annual Border Security Conference made no mention whatsoever of the role of American-sold weaponry in the violence on Mexican streets. (Instead, he attributed the situation, as many American drug warriors do, to “gangs,” “stronger border security,” and “progress” by the Mexican government in taking down drug cartels.)

The cartels are swimming in money, while everyday Mexican citizens in several parts of the country are swimming in terror and fear, edged in between violence between the narco-traffickers (and their School of Americas-trained assassins, The Zetas), the federal police, and the military. But never mind all of that, because there are bigger things for Americans to worry about.

For the past month, the crisis of drug-related violence in Mexico has (finally) become the focal point of numerous Congressional subcommittee hearings, press conferences, and high-level Cabinet meetings. (It took nearly 6,300 murders last year, and more than 1,000 since the beginning of 2009, to get this country to start paying attention.) U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has called Mexican drug trafficking cartels “a national security threat,” while President Obama met with Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Admiral Michael Mullen to discuss options to support the Mexican government, including surveillance and reconnaissance. And last week, Roger Rufe, director of operations for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), appeared before a Congressional subcommittee to explain that DHS is ready to act, if necessary, to secure border towns. The Defense Department and National Guard would only be called in, he assured members of the House, if a “tipping point” were reached -- without explaining what such circumstances would entail.

For their part, television news networks ranging from FOX to CNN have set about creating a hysterical flutter of speculation about the likelihood of about teenage Latino “sleeper cells;” hypothetical collaborations between Hezbollah and drug cartels; the “nightmare scenario” of a crazed, drug-fueled invasion from Mexico; and the perceived need to militarize our border to new heights.

None of this would seem to be of particular comfort to the people of Ciudad Juárez. They wouldn’t have much time to contemplate why CNN anchorman Don Lemon would take the time to argue with a Texan mayor about the “spillover effect” that the town of McAllen knows isn’t taking place; or why FOX News’ Geraldo Rivera turned to “terrorism expert” Bernard Kerik (disgraced Homeland Security nominee, former Taser-executive, and multiple felony-charged former NYC police commissioner), for his opinion on whether the U.S. federal agencies and military forces should be moving into Mexican territory to get the situation under control. (Although the connection was never made clear, Kerik and NYC comrade Rudy Giuliani were hired in Mexico City, several years ago, as high-level policing and counterterrorism preparedness consultants to the government.)

And that’s because, across the border from El Paso, Texas, the people of Ciudad Juárez (pop. 1.5 million), exist for this moment in time underneath the unyielding thumb of Mexican military occupation. Daily life is being dictated by the commands and checkpoint interrogations of nearly 8,000 federales (black-riot-gear-clad federal police officers) and fatigue-green-clad military troops (nicknamed the “green tsunami” by Juárez media), who have taken complete control over local law enforcement agencies. Stationed across the state of Chihuahua, but concentrated in Juárez, most of these troops are exclusively trained in wartime offensive strategy and tactical maneuvers that leave little or no room for anything but a violent outcome. Although barely reported in the U.S. press, citizens of Juárez (and other cities or towns) have accused the military of serious human rights violations since President Felipe Calderón launched his 2006 crackdown on narco-trafficking, including beating people for “confessions,” electrical torture, rape, and the practice of enclosing heads in plastic bags filled with water to simulate (or achieve) drowning.

Calderón wasn’t without public support for the crackdown on drug cartels, who were battling each other—with increasing displays of public violence--for dominance in the drug business. Indeed, crime had long since been an issue in border cities like Juárez owing, in large part, to the constant influx of hopeful migrants and dislocated workers looking for employment in one of the legions of foreign-owned factories, assembly plants built by foreign companies looking to cash in on the low-wage workforce handed to them by the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). Among other developments in the post-NAFTA border region, hundreds of young women have disappeared, raped, and been murdered in Juárez, by the hundreds, and they still do. Drugs are readied for cross-border journeys here in ways that are both mundane (e.g., kilos of cocaine hidden in the frame of a car) and mind-boggling (e.g., 140 pounds of marijuana strapped to the back of a man flying, in darkness, in an “ultralight,” a motorized aircraft resembling a hang glider.) Increasingly, many of the drugs stay in Juárez, and other parts of Mexico, something that has led to large-scale addiction the likes of which the nation has never seen.

But just as the acts of gruesome sexual violence, murders and disappearances of young women in Juárez have gone beyond the realm of random sexual violence, so, too, have the escalating cartel v. cartel-military v. cartel battles over ‘narco-turf’ gone beyond what anyone would reasonably consider “drug-related crime.” In this border city, nearly 2,000 drug-related murders have occurred since January 2008, including more than 200 murdered in the first two months of 2009.

In this sense, the people of Juárez are the actual, immediate victims of (our very own) drug war “spillover effect.” It’s too late for the thousands of people who have already lost their lives to related violence, but it’s not too late to pull the plug on the easy flow of weaponry to Mexico. And it’s certainly not too late for the American people to recognize and resolve, once and for all, that this is a war that cannot be won: not under any circumstance, not by any country, not by any political leader, and not with all the firepower in the world.

For the sake of Mexican people, the welfare of all of our global neighbors, and yes, for ourselves, it’s time to close this ill-begotten book on the war on drugs, once and for all.


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Silja J.A. Talvi is an investigative journalist and the author of Women Behind Bars: The Crisis of Women in the U.S. Prison System (Seal Press: 2007). Her work has already appeared in many book anthologies, including It's So You (Seal Press, 2007), Prison Nation (Routledge: 2005), Prison Profiteers (The New Press: 2008), and Body Outlaws (Seal Press: 2004). She is a senior editor at In These Times.

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The Privileged Amendment
Posted by: DrBrian on Mar 18, 2009 1:10 AM   
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Why are the First, Fourth and Fifth Amendments disposable and the Second (in its oddest and least plausible interpretation) sacrosanct?

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» RE: Ninth and Tenth? Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: The Privileged Amendment Posted by: gustavoc
Where were the gun guys when we lost our freedom?
Posted by: Perry Logan on Mar 18, 2009 2:35 AM   
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And another thing--where were the gun guys when we lost our freedom under George W. Bush?

Gun proponents like to say we need guns to fight a tyranncal government. So where were they during the last eight years, when our freedoms were being systematically stripped away?

The gun guys just sat there with their barrels up their butts. I thought they had a plan.

Forgiving the Neocons

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» Figures! Posted by: Prophit
This was expected given that Big Drug Cartels and Big Guns were strange bedfellows all along.
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 18, 2009 4:05 AM   
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Both are monied elites and with a ripe enough electorate on both sides of the border to exploit, this can't be too much of a surprise. The smaller gun ownership clubs are nothing like the big ones such as the NRA. And as others have pointed out, the folks wailing against gun control often stand silent when the Constitution on non-gun related issues is getting trashed and burned. Unfortunately, joining a corporatist club such as the NRA is bound to brainwash one into overlooking the Bill of Rights except for #2 and even there one is brainwashed into misinterpreting it. I'm sorry but until the electorate on both sides of the border pull out of their dysfunctionality, our guns won't get us out of this mess as we've witnessed this past decade as the Constitution is being taken away from us right under our noses while we're being given a false sense of "freedom" with gun madness.

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Mexican Corruption
Posted by: hiwaycruzer on Mar 18, 2009 4:27 AM   
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Please...
The only thing destablizing Mexico is its corrupt leadership, bought and paid for by drug lords. Guns are merely the tools they use to protect their interests. It matters not who sells them to these clowns, they'll get them from whatever source is available.

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While I can appreciate your gun laws rant
Posted by: colinmeister on Mar 18, 2009 4:38 AM   
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The problem is clearly with the Mexicans. The killing is going on in Mexico, and surely it id up to Mexican customs to prevent the import of weapons into their country if they want to cut down on violence.

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I'm sorry but gun control is not the answer to the drug war in Mexico. Getting rid of the drug war
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Mar 18, 2009 5:17 AM   
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is the real answer. I cannot believe the author would write such as stupid article. I may believe in reasonable gun control but this is pushing it too far. People in Mexico have been povertized just like the people in this country are so what are we supposed to do, allow ourselves to be mugged and raped ?!?!? I'm sorry but the men and women in Mexico, especially the women, deserve to defend themselves as they need to. The only way to win the drug war is to STOP THE DRUG WAR ALREADY !!

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» Walmart Posted by: Juven
» RE: Walmart Posted by: maxpayne
moving weight
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Mar 18, 2009 5:23 AM   
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You try moving weight without some high power toasters... are they kids still calling em toasters still? I still bank it all on Mexico government corruption

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IslandSkye
Posted by: IslandSkye on Mar 18, 2009 5:35 AM   
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Um, does anyone think that the demand for drugs in the U. S. has anything to do with this whole problem of cartels battling the government of Mexico? The cartels are using U. S. guns to kill and intimidate law abiding Mexican authorities, and there is, no doubt an element of corruption in the government. But, this whole thing would be moot if the cartels didn't want to market their product in our country.

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A limited U.S. incursion may be in the works!
Posted by: xvictor on Mar 18, 2009 6:19 AM   
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It's possible since the rationale could involve border security issues and national stability. And it's not like it hadn't happenned before.

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Well don't tell me...
Posted by: bobtr900 on Mar 18, 2009 6:25 AM   
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...about it. Tell this and these kinds of stories to the Pope and his friends in the Carlyle Group, the Bushs and bin Ladens who always profit from war and killing.

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rgd
Posted by: rgd on Mar 18, 2009 6:29 AM   
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So now we are blaming a drug problem on guns? So now we are blaming a coruption problem on guns? Wouldn't it be more accurate to blame drug problems on drugs and money? Wouldn't it be more accurate to blame a gun problem on guns and money? And wouldn't it be more accurate to blame corupution on politicians/persons of authority and money? Just asking.

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» RE: rgd Posted by: Crazy H
Guns from USA destabilize Mexico, Colombia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Chile,
Posted by: MeyravLevine on Mar 18, 2009 6:33 AM   
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El Salvadore, Nicaragua, Iran, Iraq, Israel-Palestine, Korean peninsula, Panama, Grenada...

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"Knock Yourself Out"
Posted by: picket on Mar 18, 2009 6:34 AM   
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Comments by Gen Barry McCaffrey, US Drug Czar Warrior [1996-2001]

Asked in a recent interview why not just legalize marijuana he states now that he no longer is in public life, "actually I don't care"...I care about 6-12 graders but if you are 40 years old, living in Oregon, growing 12 huge pot plants in you back yard..."knock yourself out."
Real cute, tell that to the millions of hard working US citizens you put behind bars, for the FAILED WAR.

YouTube via DrugWarRant.com
http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/

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Getting High.
Posted by: melpol on Mar 18, 2009 6:51 AM   
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Illicit drugs were peacefully coming across the border for many years. The groups responsible for their transportation were sanctioned by the authorities. Due to a recession and loss of jobs in Mexico new groups have emerged that want to share the drug profits. That is the cause of the bloody warfare. Getting the drug lords to share the wealth will bring peace to the area and to Americans that want to get high.

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» RE: Getting High. Posted by: grammasanity
The answer...
Posted by: Sanford on Mar 18, 2009 7:02 AM   
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I've lived in Mexico for more than 15 years. President Calderon states it clearly: both the U.S. and Mexico have created the "drug problem." But there's also another actor: Afghanistan's drug sales in the U.S. provide the Taliban militants with money to buy arms in order to kill Nato and U.S. soldiers. Wake up! Legalize drug distribution, sale and comsumption under strict government control. With a stroke of a pen all this drug related killing would end.

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Thank VP Joe Biden for 'War on Drugs' scam
Posted by: PakiBoy on Mar 18, 2009 7:09 AM   
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He co-sponsored the 'War on Drugs' Act of 1986.

It is nothing more than a scam to channel public funds to military-prison complex.

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New legislation?
Posted by: Romantic Violence on Mar 18, 2009 7:15 AM   
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Because Mexico has a shaky central government as a result of US interference, now Mexico's 'civil war' will undoubtedly prompt legislators in the US to draft and legislate more oppressive 'reasonable' gun laws. I say get what you can while you can..

Never give up your firearms-Jordan Maxwell

FTW

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Second Amendment: What Does it Mean?
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Mar 18, 2009 7:42 AM   
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From time to time I read through the Constitution and I find it to be a concisely written document. The framers do not seem to have ever thrown in a lot of extra words without good reason.

The second amendment reads:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Perhaps someone can explain to me the meaning of the first part of that amendment, the part that says,

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,

Unless you give a good explanation of the intent behind this phrase that is consistent with your interpretation of the second amendment, you cannot claim to understand the meaning of the amendment.

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» RE: Second Amendment: What Does it Mean? Posted by: progunprogressive
» Patriot Act Posted by: Bliss Doubt
Right wing blind spot
Posted by: Gaubladt on Mar 18, 2009 8:16 AM   
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Ironically, there is no complaint from the far right regarding the legality of the sale of hand guns, and semio-automatics to "illegal aliens".

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Center for Drug Policy Reform
Posted by: jfernst on Mar 18, 2009 8:25 AM   
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Well, this is by far the worst article you have ever chosen to publish. The CIA gets the majority of their income for the sale of drugs. They support, encourage, and finance the drug operations around the world. Look at Afghanistan where the poppy fields were shut down and then the U.S. invaded and ensured they were replanted. This situation in Mexico has NOTHING to do with gun shops "across the border" and EVERYTHING to do with a corrupt and criminal American Government Agency that needs to go away! Get your facts straight, please!

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» Thank you. Posted by: Bliss Doubt
Where the heck do I get an anti tank rocket?
Posted by: CaptainStormfield on Mar 18, 2009 8:41 AM   
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I dont know where the author thinks you can buy anti tank rockets and hand grenades. Not on the legal market. This makes me suspect his facts.
While it is belivable that guns are being bought here and taken to Mexico, you cant buy full automatic weapons, rockets, grenades, on the legal market. I had this discussion with a couple of knuckle dragging gun enthusiasts, who are actually normal law abiding folks. Their question was why would drug cartels want semi auto's when they could buy full automatic assault rifles and sub machine guns on the world market? I dont know but would like to hear the answer.
For the record, I do support gun ownership but was never an advocate of flooding the market with cheap military style weapons.

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» Very good point.... Posted by: Prophit
» anti tank Posted by: YogiBear
Rights
Posted by: paganpat on Mar 18, 2009 9:01 AM   
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It's our right to have guns and it should be our right to have drugs, guns of our choice and drugs of our choice. Legalize drugs and put controls on it like guns and watch the thugs go into another business. Read "How to Legalize Drugs"," The Great Drug War", Fatal Distraction"," Beyond The War On Drugs"," Drug War Facts","Tulia" ECT.ECt. and join L.E.A.P. , Normal,D.R.C, ect.ect and THEN come back and tell me you want to take my guns away! No Way Hozay!

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More Gun Supply Regulation Won't Reduce Illegal Demand
Posted by: aahpat on Mar 18, 2009 9:28 AM   
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First. I am not a gun nut. The last weapon I held was in the Army 39-years ago and due to an undiagnosed muscle defect I hit fewer than 10% of the targets. As an anti-war protester prior to being forced into the army I wasn't really trying either.

Second. I believe that the Second Amendment rights folks use their advocacy as a means of threatening the lives of American government elected and appointed officials when they assert that the Second Amendment was conceived to keep the populous armed against the excesses of government. Inherent in this assertion is a Second Amendment license to assassinate America's political leadership. I do not think the Founders ever wanted any such thing. Explicit or implied.

That said, I do not believe that more supply side gun regulations will control the problems of illegal guns on American streets or in Mexico. The problem is not a supply side issue. The demand for illegal guns by the drug gangs and cartels is so massive that it subsidizes the proliferation of illegal guns for all would-be criminals seeking to escalate their criminality with deadly force. The problem is that the value of the illegal drug trade inspires and induces gun toting self regulation.

As long as there are hundreds of billions of tax free unregulated dollars sloshing around for the taking by anyone anarchistic enough to grab some of it there will be a demand for guns to aid in that effort. Politicians, like Barack Obama, who continue to support the war on drugs, that creates and maintains the black market, support the anarchistic and violent demand for illegal guns. The violence is the fault of Barack Obama and Joe Biden just as it was the fault of George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H. Bush and ronald Reagan.

One final point. While many of the guns may be coming through U.S. civilian gun dealers the military ordnance that is more frequently seen on the Mexican side of the border is originating, I believe, from two sources. 1. As this report notes, surplus arms sent to Central America by the U.S. and our Cold War opponents in the 1980's. And 2. U.S. military arms transfers of arms to the Mexican military for the drug war. Active duty Mexican military cohorts of drug cartel military veterans are transferring these military grade weapons to their friends. Weapons provided by the United States military.

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Prohibition
Posted by: Juven on Mar 18, 2009 9:40 AM   
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is what is destabalizing Mexico-- not American firearms-- Mexico is an experiment funded by the U.S. to see what the populace will put up with. Blaming guns (as usual from the so called Left is missing the forest for the tress; but that is no surprise and I am sure the Obama zombies would love nothing more than to find another "reason" to turn this country into Mexico with its draconian gun laws-- and once again we can see how well those work. To gain some insight I would suggest http://epiphanypoint.wordpress.com/

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hey alter net
Posted by: pacto on Mar 18, 2009 9:43 AM   
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It seems like you don't do much research... or do you let what ever blogist air their crap on line. remember bush? he gave mexico millions of dollars of arms and with the government here ssooo corrupt, of course most of these weapons went to the drug lords. when you let some one with a vested interest write your material you spread mis information.

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» RE: hey alter net Posted by: mindtrvlr
» pacto Posted by: Bliss Doubt
Absurd
Posted by: SocoLoco on Mar 18, 2009 9:50 AM   
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Are they cutting the heads off their victims with guns? Shouldn't we blame knives from the US also? How about corn grown in the US, it feeds the drug lords doesn't it.

End the war on drugs, legalize marijuana. That's what is contributing to crimes being committed with guns.

Attempting to link guns from the US is absurd. When have criminals ever respected the law to use legal channels to buy guns anywhere?

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WHEN WILL THE DRUG REFORM LEADERSHIP
Posted by: aahpat on Mar 18, 2009 10:01 AM   
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Get their heads out of their asses and organize marches against the drug war and the militarization of the drug war?

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Tokers and tooters and gun runners, Oh My!
Posted by: willymack on Mar 18, 2009 10:11 AM   
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We've come to a surrealistic situation right here in River City. Our voratious appetite for illegal drugs is fueling violence in Columbia, Mexico, and other nations, as the drug lords notch up the competition for the American market. Oy, gevault! When the hell is this all going to end? It probably WON'T unless we quit pissing into the wind with our ludicrous, phony moralizing about people (mostly harmless) getting their heads bad. We've seen the futile result of criminalizing drug use. It's time to reverse this and see what happens, and to hell with the drug dealers and their allies at banks and our own government. One argument against this, of course, would be that we'd be opening a Pandora's box, with people wandering hither and thither, stoned out of their skulls. What the hell do you think we have NOW?

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Gun Ban De-Stabilizes the US
Posted by: rawlaw on Mar 18, 2009 10:49 AM   
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Any gun ban on single pull, single shot weapons violates the 2nd Amendment, violates the Heller decision by the Supreme Court and creates INSTABILITY in the UNITED STATES!

Mexico's drug war and instability are not our fault - there are many problems inherent in Mexico's infrastructure and laws and economy and relationship to the US causing the drug wars.

To use Mexico's drug wars as an excuse to ban guns in the US (which would itself create immense instability and even cause political turmoil) is reprehensible.

It is irresponsible to put out an article like this in AlterNet because it argues that it would be right to restrict law abiding citizens to enforce laws against gangsters - this article gives fuel to the fire of those who call the 'liberal media' irresponsible.

Finally, look at Australia which banned private ownership of guns a year ago and has seen armed robberies jump 44% since the ban - why? Because when you restrict gun laws, it increases the power of armed criminals when they attack civilians.

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» RE: Gun Ban De-Stabilizes the US Posted by: MeyravLevine
» RE: Gun Ban De-Stabilizes the US Posted by: progunprogressive
» RE: State has every right to ban guns Posted by: progunprogressive
» RE: State has every right to ban guns Posted by: Romantic Violence
» RE: State has every right to ban guns Posted by: Romantic Violence
» RE: Gun Ban De-Stabilizes the US Posted by: progunprogressive
LET THE MEXICANS POLICE THEIR OWN DAMN BORDER !!
Posted by: gellero1 on Mar 18, 2009 2:10 PM   
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Or put up a fence to keep smugglers out !

This is just an excuse for a gun grab by the Obamatons.

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The problem is not guns, it's your love of guns
Posted by: prtsimmons on Mar 18, 2009 2:25 PM   
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I want to point out to both sides of the ridiculous gun control debate in the U.S. that you are both wrong: the problem is not guns, or drugs, or Mexicans; the problem is ignorant American lawmakers and their murderous, unproductive (but highly profitable) War on Drugs.

Canada has an extremely high rate of gun ownership, yet our murder rate is approximately 1/10th the U.S. rate. (Many people in the town where I live have hunting guns, and many have pistols, too. I have fired Glocks and .357s and 9 mm semi-autos at the range, right here in Canada.) We have more immigrants (by proportion) and we also have a crime-ridden southern neighbour. Like Mexico, most of our gun murders are directly attributable to the War on Drugs (consider the 36 shootings in Vancouver in 2009, almost all blamed on drug-selling gangs).

My point: the problem is not that Americans have guns; the problem is that Americans love their guns more than their own children. Perhaps if the U.S. wasn't obsessed with the outdated image of the lone gunfighter saving the town from bandidos it could have an intelligent debate about the appropriate use of violence. You can't solve social problems with guns; drugs are a social problem. The drug policies of Canada and Mexico have been shaped more by American officials than our own elected leaders. (Consider the 2003 announcement by our Prime Minister that marijuana was going to be de-criminalized; it set off a flurry of visits by American drug warriors, and pot still hasn't been de-criminalized. U.S. drug czar John Walters' visited Vancouver, where he was booed by everyone from police officers to former mayors to pot activists. Please, stick to messing up your own country.)

So, to my American neighbours, please stop exporting your drug and gun problems to your neighbours. It is distinctly un-neighbourly.

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allen
Posted by: pursah on Mar 18, 2009 2:27 PM   
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Gun nuts operate on a tratically flawed premise that their guns will protect them.

I worked with an MP who observed that bar fights do not happen the way they do in the movies and T westerns--a long drawn out fracas.
In reality, the guy who throws the first punch, usually wins the fight. One might call it the "Pearl Harbor Principle."

Apply this to guns and it is even more powerful. The first shot is the winning one. If you are walking down the street with your gun in a holster, the guy who shoots at you with his gun already drawn usually gets you before you can respond.

In order for your gun to make you safe, you need to be walking down the street with your gun out and ready to go and you have be more alert with a better aim than your opponent. The "good guys"--you, your grandma, your wife, your kids, your dog--would have be walking around with their guns drawn and ready to go in order for them to be protected from the armed bad guy.

One can only imagine the bloodbath that society would be come. Civil society as we know it would cease to exist.

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American drug habits & guns are the reason for Mexican violence????
Posted by: AUGUST-WEST420 on Mar 18, 2009 3:46 PM   
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Are you people serious??How 'bout Mexican drugs & violence being the cause of gun control and the war on drugs?Why don't we take away the rights of law abiding Americans so that drug cartels and gangsters cannot get their hands on guns??This is the most absurd concept that any of the evil ellitists have ever proposed!!!You people buy it,though.You hang on every word and blindly follow anyone who says it's for your own good!Mexican drug cartels are a national security threat?!?!Mr Holder and anyone else who believes this war on terror bullshit are threats to national security!Decriminalize drugs and the violence disappears!!Criminalize guns and the violence skyrockets!!"Anyone who gives up a little freedom in return for a little security deserves niether and will eventually lose both!"Ben Franklin said this and it has as much or more meaning now as it did then!!WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!THE CONSTITUTION IS HANGING BY A THREAD & EVERYDAY WE GIVE UP A LITTLE MORE FREEDOM!!HOW DO WE STOP THIS GREAT TRAGEDY?!?YOU CAN START BY NOT BUYING INTO THE BULLSHIT THAT IS WRITTEN IN THIS ARTICLE!THEN SPEAK OUT AGAINST ANYTHING THAT YOU FEEL IS WRONG,RESEARCH THE FACTS,AND THINK FOR YOURSELF!!

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Stupid old man
Posted by: hood1 on Mar 18, 2009 4:28 PM   
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We are to blame! This is how it works for the uneducated.

We have a failed war on drugs.

Corporations reap 100 billion a year from the war.

They pay our lawmakers millions ever year to continue the war and their profits.

The war causes more damage to our country than any other issue.

It destroys mainly poor powerless at the rate of one every 36 seconds.

They are made slaves for their exercising of a freedom granted by our founders.

The war is a hoax it was based on racism and greed and it continues today.

We pay billions to other countries for support of our failed war.

We just gave Mexico 3 billion for cannabis eradication.

They killed 5000 low level drug related Mexicans to impress us. Also to ensure the billions keep coming.

Our leaders use the murders as a fear factor to encourage the uneducated that more money is needed to fight the war on drugs.

The cost keeps escalating every year and has
no effect on casual drug use.

Almost one million are jailed yearly for having a personal issue that should be handled by family, church and friends. Not thrown in jail to have their lives ruined.

Polls say ending the war on drugs is the majority's wish but our lawmakers (the ones getting the millions from corporations) continue to fight the war and increase its funding every year. The latest CNBC online poll is running 97% to legalize cannabis a drug that has killed no one is non addictive and helps many people. But the money keeps overruling what makes sense for our free country!

Its the snow ball that keeps getting bigger

America will never be drug free the corporations would not allow that they would loose trillions. They just want to control the source of your drugs and ensure they get a cut. While their drugs kill millions every year the one that is illegal is the one you can grow and enjoy free cannabis.... Imagine that!

Cherokee Fred Hussein Jesus

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» RE: Stupid old man Posted by: John Thomas
Extremely Inaccurate
Posted by: XXXXXX on Mar 18, 2009 5:26 PM   
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It is extremely inaccurate anti-gun articles such as this that caused me to stop financially supporting the AlterNet.

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No martial law???
Posted by: tkwilson on Mar 18, 2009 6:38 PM   
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You don't have to "declare" martial law to have martial law.

Quite recently the Mayor of a city in Maryland, and his wife, were held at gunpoint by a bunch of federal "drug warriors", after they shot the couples vicious Labrador retrievers (one in the back) in a case of mistaken identity. They had NO warrant.

Posse Comitatus is kaput. There are 20,000 US troops on US streets for the express purpose of controlling civil disturbance, RIGHT NOW.

They came for New Orlinians guns when Katrina hit town and the cops fled. They sent Blackwater mercs to do their dirty work.

The second amendment is a worse dish rag than any of the other nine. Tell me it's never been abbrogated. What does "the right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" mean to you?

Remember, the constitution limits the state, not the people. Our rights are our natural born heritage. We have them from birth. They are not "given" to us by any government.

Laws that are illegal do not need to be obeyed.
Google Marbury v. Madison; also, "jury nullification". Serve on a jury. It's a lot more effective than voting.

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A junkie sits in a corner shooting up and we care, why?
Posted by: abusedbypenguins on Mar 18, 2009 7:00 PM   
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That junkie will select him/herself out of the gene pool. When someone is that far along, rehab, 90% of the time won't work. Yes, we should care about the other 10% who may or may not kick the habit. Let junkies, crack heads, meth heads, etc. go to a pharmacist with a prescription and get free drugs with the prevision that they must attend a counseling session. There would be a 99% drop in the crime rate and what do you do with unemployed thugs (cops)? This of course, would never happen and is just a pipe dream.

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Bullshit
Posted by: hilly7 on Mar 18, 2009 8:05 PM   
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Guns the problem? Sure, and this keyboard is what mispells words. The biggest thing is the ability to defend oneself, not just againast Bambi, but thugs in governments. Ok, 2nd biggest thing. Biggest is the fact that drugs are becoming cheap and Heaven help it if the CIA can't turn a profit with their drugs. IE: Too much competition.

Since Afganstan, Poppy production has increased 375%! No longer is it refined there, but moved. Who knows, maybe Mexico, especially since 2 CIA planes have went down with over 6 metric tons of coke. Hint: Not the Coke that says have a coke and a smile.

By all means though, let's disarm American citizens so that it will be easier to do the Hitler thing again.

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More gun laws
Posted by: GregH on Mar 18, 2009 8:30 PM   
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Mexico has some of the toughest gun laws around and can't enforce them (something like thirty years chained to a wall for possesion of a bullet). The U.S. has some pretty tough drug laws and can't enforce them. So the writers opinion is to pass another law...I swear these guys work for the gun industry. I have not been able to buy ammo or even reloading supplies for 6 months due to hoarding caused by articles like this.

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Semi automatic weapons are not machine guns...
Posted by: Tankerdeath on Mar 18, 2009 8:51 PM   
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...and you can't buy grenades, rockets, and crew-served weapons in US gun stores.

You don't have to be a member of the NRA to know that. This is a biased story at the third paragraph.

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» Biased is not the word Posted by: YogiBear
BULLSHIT. YOU GUYS ARE IN A ROUND ROOM POINTING AT EACH OTHER. LETS SEE NOW,
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Mar 18, 2009 9:01 PM   
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if a Mexican cartel bought a gun in the US or anywhere else for that matter, where did the money come from? From the US of course. How did it get there? We bought smuggled drugs at exorbitant prices. Have I gotten this wrong? If I'm wrong I will apologize.

If we were to legalize recreational drugs all over the United States as the lead article in "The Economist" reccommended last week, how long would the Mexican drug war last? I've asked others for guesses and they have said less than a year. I watched bootleg whiskey shut down after it was legalized. It took about a year.

Bootleg whiskey was kept alive by "churchy" types, bootleggers, and politicians and law enforcement on the take. We now know that. Its history. It slid over into "fact".

When I was boy you couldn't learn much about the bootleg business. It was kept quiet. When it was over, it was all of "the talk". It was now safe. The same thing is true of the drug business today.

Legalize it. The Al Capone component will go away. I have people say, "If you legalize it people will just use more drugs." How could they possibly use more than they are using right now?

We didn't solve alcoholism by legalizing it. We won't solve drug addiction by legalizing it. But it might give us a chance at regulating the age our children first come in contact with it. That in itself justifies legalization.

What do we need? Just like Diogenes we need more honest men. We can't count on the drug dealers, wholsalers, or cartel operatives to help us. We can't count on police, sheriffs, District Attorneys, County Judges, District Judges, or anyone else on the payrolls of the big operators. This includes the bankers that aid in the laundry of the money. This leaves us finally with the "churchy people". They are the least respectable of the lot. Everybody else knows that they are dishonest. The churchy people think that they are honest. That is what makes them so despicable.

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Serious matter I know but...
Posted by: hughesrg on Mar 18, 2009 10:50 PM   
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"A minute is all the time that it takes for an employee in one of almost 7,000 gun shops dotting the U.S./Mexico border to accept a wad of cash from an eager customer, fill out a triplicate sales slip, and slide a nice, new Taurus .45 caliber pistol across the counter..."

That line made me chuckle a little bit. Taurus pistols, especially their sub compacts, are unreliable garbage! I know, I had one. If Taurus guns were all these animals were able to get they wouldn't be doing much damage at all... But seriously, as a law abiding gun owner who values his and any other law abiding citizen's right to exercise their 2nd amendment right, I am disgusted at how easily these animals are getting these guns from unethical, traitorous gun shops/dealers.

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» RE: Serious matter I know but... Posted by: inanaturallight
FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT WAS QUOTED AS SAYING THAT HE CERTAINLY DID AGREE
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Mar 18, 2009 11:08 PM   
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but now go out and bring some political pressure to bear on me so I can do it. Howard Zinn is saying to go march in the streets. Bring pressure to bear so they can do it.

The gun issue is kind of a non issue. Neither you nor I can own a Thompson fully automatic. This is out of the Capone era. Its gone. We legalized whiskey. It will disappear when we legalize drugs which we surely must. If we do not go to the root cause the fight will continue. Those that wish us to fail will be pleased to misguide us.

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Lets Trade
Posted by: abprosper on Mar 18, 2009 11:54 PM   
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Firstly, most of the "guns from the US" stuff is agenda propaganda.

Where allowed full automatic weapons are heavily regulated in the US (registration and FBI background check required) and essentially never used in crimes and stuff like grenades are flat out illegal.

Certainly a few carbines and semi autos and probably plenty of handguns cross the border but thats not your big problem-- Mexico's screwed up oligarchy is

Still being a decent sort I'll propose a trade we'll stop sending Mexico our guns and money and drug war -- you stop sending your drugs and economic migrants here -- fair?

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» a fair trade Posted by: zooeyhall
WHAT A LOAD OF ANTI GUN CRAP
Posted by: mindtrvlr on Mar 19, 2009 1:03 AM   
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GUNS have been around for hundreds of years and Americans are not the people that make them. These drug cartels will buy weapons from any country that will sell them. Actually most of their weapons come from China, the USSR, Brazil, Hungary, Poland and other european countrys. They sell them a lot cheaper. Dispute that fool.

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Blame the U.S.---again
Posted by: zooeyhall on Mar 19, 2009 8:07 AM   
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I think it is a bit of a stretch to blame the problems in Mexico solely on guns bought from the U.S. As other posters have pointed out, they can get guns from plenty of other places.

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» RE: Blame the U.S.---again Posted by: techcafe
FRIDAY: MI Colleges Protest Against Student Shooting by Drug Warriors
Posted by: aahpat on Mar 19, 2009 12:46 PM   
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Friday March 20 will see student protests in downtown Grand Rapids over Derek Copp's shooting and the drug war policies that empowered the shooting.

Grand Valley State University student protests will be joined by University of Michigan and Michigan State students in protesting the shooting of Derek Copp.

I have posted more on this at: Michigan Colleges Protest Against Student Shooting by Drug Warriors

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This article is Orwellian propaganda....beware
Posted by: Patriot of the Republic on Mar 19, 2009 1:52 PM   
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For all the crying about how Bush was destroying the constitution and Obama is the savior (I personally partially agree with the first), this article is unmitigated lies.

First, the process of buying a gun the article said was a lie, you have to pass a background check. Second, if this were truly the problem, the fed's could use the serial numbers from all the so called guns and see if those were coming from a few dealers.

This is more government propoganda from the great supporter of the 2nd amendment, Obama, that is stealing our childerns wealth, just like Bush and Clinton did.

Lastly, I've seen TV interviews where they show all these weapons from the US....I laughed because it showed weapons that are already illegal in the US that us normal citizens CAN NOT GET. I saw an old M-60 chain fed machine gun on the table, last time I checked, I can't get one of those.

To my fellow americans on the left, be careful of some of the articles on this site, it's horribly inacurate and downright lies. I always look because I do find good ones here and there. I would say the same to people on the right.

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leave our guns alone
Posted by: ham2mtr1 on Mar 19, 2009 7:22 PM   
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Mexico has a problem related to prohabition. And money will buy the best hardware. No you cannot buy explosives or machine guns at a gun store or a gun show. The cops would love for someone to try. No machine guns on grednades or missles no anti tank weapons. The 3 page form is the ATF 4473 and it includes a background check that should catch criminals and illegal or non resident aliens. The hardware is coming from the US however not as we are lead to believe. Stolen guns are making the way there. Gun dealers have to run a check and get permission for the sale.

money will buy whatever you want on the international market. Watch the movie Lords of War for a good example. it's based on a true story.

In short don't blame me for the problems and ask for my guns. Prohibition creates this type of problem and only leagalization will fix it.
ham2mtr

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If the Second Amendment Extremists
Posted by: aahpat on Mar 19, 2009 10:22 PM   
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really want to protect the Second Amendment they will go to the NRA and get them to come out against the war on drugs. The war on drugs gives gun control advocates more excuses than anything else for demanding more and more regulation on guns. The NRA is the biggest and best funded lobby group in the nation. What they say to politicians turns into law. If the NRA turned against the war on drugs it would be ended in months protecting gun owners, police and innocent Americans caught in the drug war cross fire.

So stop bitching at Americans reasonably filled with fear for their lives from the crime and violence exacerbated by guns in the hands of criminals. Bitch at the NRA for its failure to address the drug war root cause that inspires gun control advocates.

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drugs are bad... more fear to feed the sheeple, or an advertizment to up sales to the cartels?
Posted by: Bearzerker on Mar 20, 2009 3:14 PM   
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This article is about money, guns and the drug trade and how they tend to feed each other!

We can end this all ...now... simply by ending prohibition!
then all this will probably dry up and go away as there will be no black market driving it anymore.

Don't be fooled... these 3 evils are as interwoven into this pool of greed as is everything in the world of black markets mayhem and the shadowy men that run them... Its the modern age goldrush of unreported income that has infiltrated all levels of society and we must as a society come to terms with!

fyi...in case the US population is unaware... this war in Mexico is raging on in Vancouver, BC as well, where Mafioso like Asian gangs are running amok in an open gang war happening on the streets as we speak!

its always about the money... just follow the money and u will see so much corruption/confusion that the only way to re-regulate would be to start from scratch...

to much confusion... to much politics
and nothing gets done to solve the organized crime syndicates out killing our children for a 50$ drug debt! with illegal guns brought into the country to kill and maim for an industries bottom-line & profit!

It's long past time for us as a society to go after the criminal negligence of the Gun Manufacturers their agents and all other sales representatives...

it's time to get some control back on these arm sales, internally...
...we don't have to regulate the people owning guns...
do as you wish individually in your own country, but when lethal weapons made in our country end up in the hands of a pre-pubescent wanna be from another country.. illegally acquired and harmful to that societies good order and governance, then we must act to protect our reputation at the source [meaning at the point of sale to manufacturers agents]

We could do nicely by just going after the arms manufacturers and their sales practices outside country... big hefty fines for questionable sales outside of the country.

Guns are about 1 thing only... killing...
and gun control isn't the answer as then only the criminals will have them...
responsible harm reduction strategy's MUST be deployed and laws passed holding manufacturers responsible for there products...

We could also/perhaps mandate insurance for gun holders.
...if we must have insurance on our cars in order to drive, why not the same for guns?...
life/disability insurance I think could be a start, but I'm not an expert on these things... but maybe some others may give us a better solution...

anybody got a better idea... post it

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MEXICO'S RELEASE/ VERSUS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Posted by: foxxx on Mar 22, 2009 11:28 AM   
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LETS STOP AND RE-ITERATE THE TRUE FACTS OF MEXICO FIRST== SOME YEARS BACK, MEXICAN AUTHORITIES RECEIVED WORD FROM THEIR PRESIDENT TO GET RID OF ALL PRISONERS IN MEXICO AND TELL EACH IF THEY RETURNED THEY WOULD BE SHOT TO DEATH. THEY SENT THEM TO AMERICA. NOW MEXICO IS CRYING BECAUSE THESE MURDERS, ROBBERS, ETC. ARE PART OF FAMILIES IN MEXICO THAT ARE BUYING WEAPONS FROM HERE AND SHIPPING THEM TO THEIR DRUG RELATED FAMILIES IN MEXICO AND NOW MEXICO IS COMPLAINING? ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS INCLUDING MEXICANS ARE RECEIVING $1800 A MONTH FROM OBAMA'S GOVERNMENT TO BUY WEAPONS AND SEND THEM HOME. DRUGS ARE BEING SOLD IN AMERICA AND THE PROCEEDS ARE SENT TO MEXICO. WHY DONT WE AMERICANS JUST SEND ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS AND DRUG RUNNING MEXICANS BACK TO MEXICO, INSTEAD OF FINANCING THEM WHILE AMERICANS ARE LOOSING THEIR HOMES AND HOMELESS? WHY DONT WE ASK MEXICO IF THEY'LL TAKE BACK THOSE MEXICANS THEY TOOK FROM THEIR JAILS AND PRISONS? WHY DONT WE? IT SEEMS TO ME THE MEXICAN PRESIDENT THEN STARTED THIS WHOLE FIASCO. IF HE HAD KEPT THEM THERE TO BEGIN WITH, NONE OF THIS WITH MEXICO WOULD BE HAPPENING NOW. HAVE A NICE DAY. MIKE

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Great Article,but another point
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Mar 22, 2009 8:43 PM   
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Is to get rid of NAFTA and CAFTA. They are another one of the main ingredients of the drug war in Central America,along with the American gun and drug market and "WAR ON DRUGS(TM)", causing rampant unemployment that causes the desperation that causes men in Mexico to buy the guns,which are easily to get thanks to the US's gun lust, and become well-paid killers for a gang or cartel. I would have really liked the writer to have focused on how our nations selfish free trade policies have contributed to so much pain and suffering in Central and South America.

Another point is that our law enforcement makes so much money off of the "War On Drugs"(more like war on poor people if you ask me!) We have entire departments of police stations in this nation dedicated to beating the crap out of people for smoking buddha:Narcotics investigation units,Vice enforcement units, gang units etc. all of which would disapear if drug prohibition was ever ended. Some studies show that as many as 100,000 cops alone are dedicated to drug "enforcement". Not surprisingly, most of these narcos,as us Black folks call em, are corrupt,racist,violent, and operate as their own insular unit from the police station(Look up the Rampart scandal,or watch The Shield or The Wire to get an idea of how these narcs operate).

But now that the violence in Mexico is spilling over the border and may hurt some Americans, its suddenly a problem,were it wasn't when it was just killing brown people for a decade,well thats good ol American policy thinking for you, as long as its makes money for you, and you don't think about the long term, its fine and dandy like amos n andy.

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» RE: Agreed ... and more thoughts on the subject. Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin
Ridiculous
Posted by: Article on Apr 17, 2009 3:40 AM   
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Govt there makes a whole lot of money through drugs.. what they are talking of???
huh !!

Steve
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