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Why Do People Listen to Rush Limbaugh?
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Despite the fact that he is batshit crazy, Rush Limbaugh continues to reign supreme over the GOP. The conservative talk show host has styled himself as the voice of the Republican Party, even as he spews hate-filled rhetoric and brazenly reiterates his hope that the president fails in his attempt to rescue the country from one of the worst financial crises in history.
His posturing is met with only quiet muttering by more moderate conservatives. Meanwhile, politicians who vocally challenge Limbaugh end up slimily backpedaling within one news cycle.
Why does Limbaugh inspire a strong enough following among many conservatives to warrant public respect by GOP heavyweights, who, undoubtedly, also privately think he’s batshit crazy?
In a recent article on AlterNet, Deepak Chopra suggests that Limbaugh’s popularity has little to do with what he’s actually saying. Instead, what keeps people tuning in is Limbaugh’s style -- that particular brand of loudly blared bile perfected by conservative talk show hosts in their decade of dominance over the airwaves.
According to Chopra, shock jocks like Limbaugh:
... exist purely as steam vents. The common citizen gets to be pissed off by the millions, unrelentingly, without cease or solution, and in return, he is praised. To be outraged is to be morally superior.
Your anger strips away tolerance, sympathy and regard for "the other." Hence the almost imperial bearing of Limbaugh, the bland certainty that because he never stops being angry, he never stops being right.
AlterNet readers had a chance to vent in response to the article.
Kcdrew writes that we shouldn’t underestimate the danger Limbaugh represents by viewing him as a distraction or a catharsis for bitter voters:
No, you can't merely be "entertained" by Rush "Porkulus" Limbaugh. You could, if he weren't any harm to people, but he is, and that's the problem. What he does to those same illegal immigrants, women, gays and all the rest of us he doesn't like is real damage.
If it were only a joke, it would only be funny and entertainment. He does damage.
And that's not funny.
peacefullaim1 also argues that Limbaugh is no joke:
While I admire and respect Dr. Chopra, I'm with you, kcdrew, on this one. Limbaugh brings out the worst in his listeners. There is something unhealthy to the point of sinister is the way he matter-of-factly states the most absurd and hateful things. He, quite literally, makes me sick...
John Annis agrees:
You're absolutely correct, and people would do well to consider that by according him any status, including that of Court Jester, they are giving him credibility.
Vile reptiles like Limbaugh have split the American public, perhaps irretrievably, and you will have to live with the consequences for years to come. It's not a prospect I could countenance, and I am surprised at the idea that this creature should be given any more breathing space.
In many European countries, a lot of what he says would be considered inflammatory and inciting, and he would be dealt with appropriately. After all, who needs this kind of filth? Don't we have enough hatred around without paying some hatemonger $400 million over the next few years just to spread more?
If you treat him like a clown but still listen to him, you are part of the problem. Why don't you just park him in the nearest psychiatric facility and move on?
But bizeeb is spooked by the seeming call for censorship in John Annis’ comment:
"In many European countries, a lot of what he says would be considered inflammatory and inciting, and he would be dealt with appropriately."
Censorship is never the answer. I hate defending people like Limbaugh, but if you think he shouldn't have the freedom to express himself, then you are in the wrong, not him.
Annis counters:
This is how liberals allow people like him to flourish, by allowing him rights which he would not be prepared to allow the rest of us.
If we have a Muslim preaching hate every weekend, and inciting other fanatics to rise up against us, then this is regarded as incitement to violence and/or hatred, and is a criminal offense.
If we have neo-Nazis (for want of a better term) holding meetings to further an agenda of anti-Semitism, then they are breaking the law.
If we have people like the odious Westboro Baptist Church spewing their anti-gay filth, then they are breaking a law and will be punished -- in fact Fred Phelps would not be permitted access to this country (the U.K.).
This is not about censorship; it is about the rule of commonsense law. We do not have people like him here, and he would not be permitted a platform. Show me one thing he has ever said which is positive and constructive and designed to be inclusive. Who needs this?
This is not about someone's right to free speech. It is about keeping a bowl of pus boiling in the kitchen and putting up with the stench because of some imaginary "freedom." You try exercising your "freedom of speech" in a public place controlled by the fascists and see how far you get before you are arrested.
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Posted by: zgregz on Mar 14, 2009 1:56 AM
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Posted by: PJT on Mar 14, 2009 3:08 AM
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It is possible to overlook the fact that Rush's message is essentially no different to that of many fascist demagogues throughout history, but that's what it comes down to. For El Rushbo to continue to sell advertising (his only purpose, by the way) and to continue to make his millions it is necessary for his audience to feel that they are the victims. If Barack manages to improve the lot of the average person in any measurable way: by bringing about universal health care, for instance, his audience will shrink, but never go away. That's because hate always has an audience.
One thing though- I don't think he is going to be around much longer. He is obviously very unhealthy, and no amount of money can prevent his intemperate nature from destroying him from the inside out. If he gave up cigars and meat and really lost 50 pounds for good I would worry. As it is, he'll be out of here before long. Either his liver will rot, or his heart will explode, or an artery in his brain will erupt. I'm surprised he doesn't take better care of himself.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 14, 2009 3:37 AM
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His fawning audience of giddy, sycophantic little robots (who cheerfully refer to themselves as "ditto-heads") are spoon-fed a daily diet of ignorance, fear and propaganda under the guise of "excellence in broadcasting". One of the most annoying things about the man is his positively inflated opinion of himself. At the beginning of every broadcast he even compares himself to God, implying that his talent is "on loan" from the Almighty Himself. And he never gets tired of telling his clueless listeners how much power he has. That he has a lot of power and influence cannot be denied, but he never tires of reminding us of this unfortunate fact.
"We need to stop giving them coupons where they can go buy all kinds of junk. We just don't have the money. They're taking out, they put nothing in. And I'm sick and tired of playing the one phony game I've had to play and that is this so-called compassion for the poor. I don't have compassion for the poor."
Rush Limbaugh
"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth"
Jesus of Nazareth
From all that I have read and watched and listened to, the one common denominator that is shFar Right is that they appeal to the very worst angels of our nature. And quite often, the recipients of their hateful ire are the most helpless among us. For the last thirty years, thanks to the abolition of the Fairness Doctrine, these people have dominated America's national political dialogue. It's high time we take it back, don'cha think?
Rush Limbaugh is not unique to American history. Three quarters of a century ago the opinion media was polluted by the minds of people like Westbrook Pegler, George Sokolsky and Walter Winchell. While they were all able to enjoy great fame and treasure while they were alive, death would find the three of them consigned history's garbage heap, forgotten and disgraced. Indeed, during the thirties and forties Winchell was arguably the most famous man in America. And yet when he died in 1972, the only person who bothered to show up at his funeral was his daughter. Do you remember the name Walter Winchell? Don't feel bad if you don't; not many people do.
Rush Limbaugh, too, will suffer posterity's indifference. Of that you may be completely certain.
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Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Mar 14, 2009 3:54 AM
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Posted by: davescott on Mar 14, 2009 3:58 AM
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Many are also drawn to a style of no-holds-barred bluntness. There's been a perception that Democrats wouldn't tell the truth for fear of offending some constituency. Reagan took office, fired striking air traffic controllers, blasted "welfare queens".... and won re-election handily. Ross Perot galvanized lots of people in '92. Many Americans yearn for a plain-speaking leader who's not afraid to break eggs if it solves problems.
The catch in Limbaugh's case being that he is blunt-spoken, racist, dishonest, mean, and dumb. And his prescriptions won't cure anything.
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Posted by: Gentle Axeman on Mar 14, 2009 6:43 AM
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If masses of people didn't listen and buy his products and those he advertises, Rush would dry up and blow away. It's as simple as that.
It's silly to pass judgement on Rush Limbaugh, or any other media apparition, unless you've taken the time to actually listen to them for a period....
You simply don't know what you're talking about otherwise....
Parroting other talking heads doesn't cut it...you still don't know what you're talking about....
Finally, there's Amendment I of the Bill of Rights.....
I have listened to Limbaugh, and for an extended period...I found him to be boring rattletrap.....
Certainly no reason to promote censorship...That's the beginning of the slippery slope....
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Posted by: Lilly on Mar 14, 2009 7:12 AM
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Posted by: j9guy on Mar 14, 2009 7:44 AM
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Posted by: Bob Graham Las Vegas on Mar 14, 2009 7:48 AM
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Back in the day, there came one Howard Cossel who many had to put up with through many a football game and many boxing matches. Most turned the TV off at the end or changed channels for useful commentary, but....Some bars kept the set tuned to Cossel and his idiocy so the winner of the nights in house drawing could throw a brick into the TV during Howie's tormentuous explanation of what all had just watched (as though it needeed to be done). I hear that now with the advent of the wide screen TV, where you can fit Limbaugh and another person and still see both, that he may make a bid to do a comeback . Imagine destroying a 60 inch flat screen with a brick? Now , that's a RUSH indeed.
How many folks went to see Mike Tyson fight hoping to see him get pounded? How many of those wanted to see an ear of his disappear?
IMO....If one were to factor out those who see RUSH as just a RUSH for adrenaline's sake, along with those who view it as slap stick comedy,his following would not be so daunting. His propensity to abuse oxy contin was overlooked as soon as most started viewing him as the DOPE de jour.
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Posted by: mcharles on Mar 14, 2009 7:54 AM
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On the other side, conservatives rarely if ever consume liberal media. The reason they're so apt to call NBC, ABC and CBS liberal is because they don't expose themselves to much more than that. Conservatives I know don't watch liberal shows to get the other side or just to see what the "enemy" is talking about. Most of them won't give Comedy Central their money for religious reasons, and Bible thumpers would be excommunicated if they got caught watching Maddow.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 14, 2009 8:03 AM
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Rush is Nothing but a ShockJock- But far less impressive than Howard Stern. Howard not only takes on the Political BS, but the outrageous sexual or humiliating aspect to everyday life- Howard has Range, the ability to expand his boundries. Rush just runs over the same hate and fear crap he always does- with some meglomania thrown in.
But what is so outrageous is that those who hate him are giving him life! Our sick morbid curiosity is feeding this fat lazy vile excuse for human flesh!
Granted ignoring him will not make him go away- but it will relinquish him to the Fringe of media existence where he deserve to be.Cops push traffic past fatal car crashes, one to keep traffic moving, Second to spare Us the view of the Gore and three to provide those involved a little privacy.Let's Allow the Right to experience this horrendous accident with the gift of solitude.
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Mar 14, 2009 8:41 AM
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Anyone who lives in the Detroit area may have seen his church, The Shrine of the Little White Flower, a grotesquely ugly, tacky piece of work. fitting shrine to this character. I wonder what Rush will leave behind for a shrine?
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Posted by: YogiBear on Mar 14, 2009 9:00 AM
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If you think liberals don't do this, then you need to read this website more often.
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Posted by: blackdog on Mar 14, 2009 9:03 AM
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Although I've listened to right wing radio too much at times to the point I concede some great points are occasionally raised there, I generally find the righties' shows only help me reinforce my own lefty beliefs.
And I agree with the righties in that any government attempt to stifle criticism should be met with a firm reading of the First Amendment and a swift kick in the ass.
That said, people will listen to Rush and Mike Savage and the rest because of their bombastic and entertaining (to some) style and that they appeal to people of certain mind-sets, be it the America-at-all-costs crowd, the media-is-liberally-biased crowd, or the "our government is failing us in favor of cheap immigrant labor," crowd, the gay-hating crowd or others.
The way to attack those mind-sets isn't by spewing leftern vitriol and calling someone a fat druggie; it's leading - and living - by example and educating all with the hope that things can change for the better.
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Posted by: roy f on Mar 14, 2009 10:10 AM
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For the past 28 years since Reagan came to power and the Democrats shifted far to the right, both parties have been redistributing wealth upward. They have kept the economy going, even as they have taken money away from most non-rich consumers, by having them go more and more into debt to keep them spending. But people can only go so much into debt, so just as happened in 1929, we are rapidly spiraling into another depression. As the non-rich now plunge economically, expect the dittoheads' deflected rage to rise accordingly, as they try to shoot themselves in the feet politically even more so than before.
The way to counteract Rush's message is to point out who the real culprits are. Unfortunately, almost all of the politicians and mass media are in the pay of the culprits, so it's difficult to get that message out. While Democratic politicians and voters don't blame those at the bottom the way Republicans do, neither do they sufficiently blame those at the top. (When have you ever heard a Democratic politician put things as bluntly as this, and how often do you hear Democratic voters do so?) They either act like it's a mystery how everything went wrong, or blame it on the particular people involved in this particular crisis (people who sold Adjustable Rate Mortgages or created arcane financial instruments, for instance). Almost all Democratic politicians hide the Big Picture just as Republicans do, and most Democratic voters don't see it, or only see it vaguely: that our whole economic and political system is designed to redistribute wealth upward. Until that message gets out, we will continue to have enraged totally-clueless dittoheads, and even many somewhat-clueless liberals as well.
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Posted by: kedikat on Mar 14, 2009 10:20 AM
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There is a huge number of people on both right and left that are satisfied with this instant confirmation of their views.
Simple quick solutions are the preferred ones. Even if you just have to pretend that they work.
Not long ago Limbaugh and his type would not have reached a large audience. Media had no time for such trivial people. They were crowded out by those who offered real information. Now there are 24 hour a day pipelines for the trivial. Crowding out the real information.
Lifestyles and shallow educational styles crowd out the time and ability to actually process information. It is served up prepackaged and instant. This is eroding all things down to this level.
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The one observable truth of (right wing) Christian doctrine is that there is some sort of birth defect (DNA?) that infects all humans and clouds our thinking.
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Posted by: archives@uwyo.edu on Mar 14, 2009 10:47 AM
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Posted by: jmmartin on Mar 14, 2009 1:05 PM
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But even if we prove such connections, I favor letting the Rushbos of this world have their say. I am forever mindful of the great late Oliver Wendell Holmes who wrote a Supreme Court dissent in a censorship case ending with his observation that if the First Amendment is to have any meaning at all, it demands that we allow all ideas to have trade in the marketplace of ideas, where they will be shouted down without interference by censors.
Rush is not the problem. His listeners are. Like him, they are insensitive slugs, oblivious to individual rights -- to freedom, really.
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» Untrue and useless analogy.
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» Correct. Articles about Limbaugh once every 3 days means more conceding sellouts from the Democrats.
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» You let him get away with his crap and failed to try countering him.
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» Uh, can't you at least try winning some sympathy from your parents?
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» And there you have it folks!
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» Don't blame him. Blame the Democrats for refusing to go on the counter-offensive !
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» Dude, have you ever heard of a period?
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Mar 15, 2009 2:36 AM
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But he's not. Shows like Rush's are an artificial construct of a rigged system.
In fact, studies show that less than half of hate-radio listeners identify themselves as conservatives. Hate radio is an artificial construct forced upon a liberal nation.
The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio
As earlier commenters have noted, hate radio has done incalculable damage to the well-being of our country. But this pernicious phenomenon represents a small group of degenerates, not most Americans.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 15, 2009 4:37 AM
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The morality police - the bloviating gas bags of the religious right - have fallen harder and lower than the stock market. I agree with Frank Rich that this can only be a good thing.
The greatest religious writer of the twentieth century is a man whose name most people have never even heard. When you have a moment or two, read the writings of Thomas Merton. He was a man who took seriously the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth in the Sermon on the Mount:
Blessed are the peace makers,
For they shall be called sons [and daughters] of God.
It has truly been an amazing (and amusing) thing to watch these so-called "spokesmen of Christ" defending the morally indefensible these past thirty years. And now - finally - they're going away. It seems an answer to a prayer.
Thank you, Lord.
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» Tom, FYI, the link doesn't work.
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Posted by: FreeAmerica on Mar 15, 2009 9:22 AM
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Item one, the hate. The hate is all right here on the left as demonstrated in comment after comment, guys and gals.. I have heard Limbaugh many times, and hate is not his bag. Knight's run-on sentance was much more accurate than any other post here.
The left hates Limbaugh because he puts their idiotic ideas into the arena of debate. Many of them are just plain bad ideas, and they will not stand the light of day. Since the MSM still has obama and the DNC's penis in their mouth, there is no one left to debate the ideas and expose them other than rush, hannity, et al.
In my personal case, I read both sides, because somewhere in the debate lies the basis of an informed opinion. Reading only this article and comments would not lead to anything but an opinion of Limbaugh formed of ignorance and hatred. Reading only Limbaugh, you would think that the democrats are comprised exclusively by dullards, an opinion that this article reinforces more that el rushbo never could himself.
The source of your hatred and frequent desire to shut down opposition speech is that America likes an informed opinion, the left wants to hide their ideas from the light of day.
A good example of this is the article the other day about 'Can we use the S word now..' In the comments lot of socialists came out of the closet.
The problem is, if you actually brought the idea of changing the US from a constitutional republic to a democratic socialist state out and put it to the people, it would never fly. It would take troublesome things like convincing the electorate to change the constitution and whole way of government. It is much preferable to boil the frog one degree at a time and quietly move the country in that direction.
The real reason that the left hates Rush is that he shines the light of truth in their ideas and forces them into the arena of debate and public awareness. While not all ideas on the left are bad, some are, and they would just as soon that they not be exposed for the incompetence, socialism, or criminality that they represent.
Those that accuse Limbaugh of racism or hatred have no idea what they are talking about. You are ignorant drones parroting Big Brother's party line talking points. Feel free to prove me wrong with quotes and links rather than generalized attacks.
BTW, who is your favorite socialist? Pol Pot? Castro? Chavez? Stallin? Hitler? Mousolini? Kim Jong Il? Mao? Ho Chi Min?
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Posted by: kedikat on Mar 15, 2009 9:48 AM
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They get to the point fast and simple. Though the point is often totally wrong.
Too often I notice the people who offer more in depth and correct assessments also take a far too winding road to the point. Along the way they will throw in many obscure references to highlight how smart they are. References to ancient history, to philosophers, personal name dropping.
Right now I think we just don't have time for this. Connect the relevant dots in the shortest route. Speak in the language and social frame of the people you really want to hear the story.
If you are coming across like an old professor, then the ones who will hear you out to the end are already enrolled in your class.
The Daily Show is getting the air time. They keep it short, to the point and sharp. With an Amen Brothers and Sisters in the form of "F@#K You !!!" that a vast majority needs to hear.
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Posted by: weslen1 on Mar 15, 2009 6:51 PM
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Here's the answer I sent back.
Rush is a puke and deserves no ones support or any form of respect. All the GOP are the same. None of you cares one bit about what's happening to this country except for your millionaire friends and billionaire donors. That includes the troops you so callously send to the slaughter in illegal wars of aggression most of YOU were too cowardly to fight in yourselves when it was your time to show your phony patriotism. You cover up for your corporate buddies who harm our troops and excuse yourselves by waving your weak hands in the air and saying they volunteered.
What you should all do is get yourselves each a big fat cigar, a bottle of oxycontin, and a FAT SUIT and join Limbo in his worship of the gangster era you all wish you could have been top players in. Or build yourselves a new wild wild west and duel yourselves to death in the Cayman Islands or where ever you have your own personal tax dodges. You are all a disgrace and a bunch of traitorous dogs.
Leaders LIE, Civilians DIE, and Lessons of History are IGNORED!
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Posted by: GatorGrad on Mar 15, 2009 7:54 PM
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Then, Reagan, the prophet of profligacy and supplier of missiles to the Moslem holy warriors in Afghanistan and to Ayatollah Khomeni, but close ally of Saddam Hussein, comes along to tell our dispirited people that we don’t have to feel bad about the carpet bombing, the dumping of all that dioxin and napalm all over the Indochinese, throwing those prisoners out of helicopters, the My Lai massacre, etc. etc. for ten damn years. For one thing, they don’t take Jesus as their savior and aren’t going to the big barbecue in the sky when they die anyway. Like Reagan, Limbaugh and the rest of his gang are soulless demagogues. The ruling class loved them because, like the aristocrackers of the old South, they prevent the large majority from uniting to protect and promote their own interests. Like the Southerner, landless and barely literate, duped into fighting for someone ,else’s slaves, the dittoheads of today fall prey to the divisive tactics of the hate radio demagogues, while the fat cats laugh all the way to the bank(or DID, until even they started taking all the free market fundamentalist B.S. too seriously themselves.) The dittoheads can drive around in their monster pickups and brandish the Confederate flag all they want, but in the end, these are the symbols of the Southern Sucker.
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Feel free to debate me on this.
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Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on Mar 16, 2009 2:43 PM
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The swastika is an ancient symbol, temporarily (on the universal scale) perverted by the Nazis.
Almost anything can be twisted to serve a purpose, sometimes good, sometimes sinister.
Individuals like Limbaugh contribute to a perversion of expression that serves to generate profit for his employers.
Any expression in the service of profit is not to be considered free speech. Mr. Limbaugh, or his employer, is entitled to bring his soapbox to the park and express as high and mightily as he'd like. His ideas will be received with either accolades from those who bother to stop and listen, or he will be pelted with rotten tomatoes. In neither case will he have been paid for his exertions and will be at worst, a public nuisance.
On the other hand, if he is paid money for his "expression" and money supports his line of communication into homes and ears, that is not free speech and no one should feel hesitant to regulate or eradicate it, if it doesn't serve the greater good.
That said, unless the idea of greater good can be made to turn a profit, the capitalists will continue to make their bucks off selling the fetish of unbridled individualism.
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Posted by: PJT on Mar 14, 2009 3:08 AM
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It is possible to overlook the fact that Rush's message is essentially no different to that of many fascist demagogues throughout history, but that's what it comes down to. For El Rushbo to continue to sell advertising (his only purpose, by the way) and to continue to make his millions it is necessary for his audience to feel that they are the victims. If Barack manages to improve the lot of the average person in any measurable way: by bringing about universal health care, for instance, his audience will shrink, but never go away. That's because hate always has an audience.
One thing though- I don't think he is going to be around much longer. He is obviously very unhealthy, and no amount of money can prevent his intemperate nature from destroying him from the inside out. If he gave up cigars and meat and really lost 50 pounds for good I would worry. As it is, he'll be out of here before long. Either his liver will rot, or his heart will explode, or an artery in his brain will erupt. I'm surprised he doesn't take better care of himself.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 14, 2009 3:37 AM
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His fawning audience of giddy, sycophantic little robots (who cheerfully refer to themselves as "ditto-heads") are spoon-fed a daily diet of ignorance, fear and propaganda under the guise of "excellence in broadcasting". One of the most annoying things about the man is his positively inflated opinion of himself. At the beginning of every broadcast he even compares himself to God, implying that his talent is "on loan" from the Almighty Himself. And he never gets tired of telling his clueless listeners how much power he has. That he has a lot of power and influence cannot be denied, but he never tires of reminding us of this unfortunate fact.
"We need to stop giving them coupons where they can go buy all kinds of junk. We just don't have the money. They're taking out, they put nothing in. And I'm sick and tired of playing the one phony game I've had to play and that is this so-called compassion for the poor. I don't have compassion for the poor."
Rush Limbaugh
"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth"
Jesus of Nazareth
From all that I have read and watched and listened to, the one common denominator that is shFar Right is that they appeal to the very worst angels of our nature. And quite often, the recipients of their hateful ire are the most helpless among us. For the last thirty years, thanks to the abolition of the Fairness Doctrine, these people have dominated America's national political dialogue. It's high time we take it back, don'cha think?
Rush Limbaugh is not unique to American history. Three quarters of a century ago the opinion media was polluted by the minds of people like Westbrook Pegler, George Sokolsky and Walter Winchell. While they were all able to enjoy great fame and treasure while they were alive, death would find the three of them consigned history's garbage heap, forgotten and disgraced. Indeed, during the thirties and forties Winchell was arguably the most famous man in America. And yet when he died in 1972, the only person who bothered to show up at his funeral was his daughter. Do you remember the name Walter Winchell? Don't feel bad if you don't; not many people do.
Rush Limbaugh, too, will suffer posterity's indifference. Of that you may be completely certain.
Weekend at Franklin's
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FREE AMERICA
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Posted by: davescott on Mar 14, 2009 3:58 AM
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Many are also drawn to a style of no-holds-barred bluntness. There's been a perception that Democrats wouldn't tell the truth for fear of offending some constituency. Reagan took office, fired striking air traffic controllers, blasted "welfare queens".... and won re-election handily. Ross Perot galvanized lots of people in '92. Many Americans yearn for a plain-speaking leader who's not afraid to break eggs if it solves problems.
The catch in Limbaugh's case being that he is blunt-spoken, racist, dishonest, mean, and dumb. And his prescriptions won't cure anything.
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» RE: Simple. Without a truly propopulist Democratic Party, Rush Limbaugh will remain a symptom.
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Posted by: Gentle Axeman on Mar 14, 2009 6:43 AM
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If masses of people didn't listen and buy his products and those he advertises, Rush would dry up and blow away. It's as simple as that.
It's silly to pass judgement on Rush Limbaugh, or any other media apparition, unless you've taken the time to actually listen to them for a period....
You simply don't know what you're talking about otherwise....
Parroting other talking heads doesn't cut it...you still don't know what you're talking about....
Finally, there's Amendment I of the Bill of Rights.....
I have listened to Limbaugh, and for an extended period...I found him to be boring rattletrap.....
Certainly no reason to promote censorship...That's the beginning of the slippery slope....
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Posted by: Bob Graham Las Vegas on Mar 14, 2009 7:48 AM
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Back in the day, there came one Howard Cossel who many had to put up with through many a football game and many boxing matches. Most turned the TV off at the end or changed channels for useful commentary, but....Some bars kept the set tuned to Cossel and his idiocy so the winner of the nights in house drawing could throw a brick into the TV during Howie's tormentuous explanation of what all had just watched (as though it needeed to be done). I hear that now with the advent of the wide screen TV, where you can fit Limbaugh and another person and still see both, that he may make a bid to do a comeback . Imagine destroying a 60 inch flat screen with a brick? Now , that's a RUSH indeed.
How many folks went to see Mike Tyson fight hoping to see him get pounded? How many of those wanted to see an ear of his disappear?
IMO....If one were to factor out those who see RUSH as just a RUSH for adrenaline's sake, along with those who view it as slap stick comedy,his following would not be so daunting. His propensity to abuse oxy contin was overlooked as soon as most started viewing him as the DOPE de jour.
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Posted by: mcharles on Mar 14, 2009 7:54 AM
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On the other side, conservatives rarely if ever consume liberal media. The reason they're so apt to call NBC, ABC and CBS liberal is because they don't expose themselves to much more than that. Conservatives I know don't watch liberal shows to get the other side or just to see what the "enemy" is talking about. Most of them won't give Comedy Central their money for religious reasons, and Bible thumpers would be excommunicated if they got caught watching Maddow.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 14, 2009 8:03 AM
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Rush is Nothing but a ShockJock- But far less impressive than Howard Stern. Howard not only takes on the Political BS, but the outrageous sexual or humiliating aspect to everyday life- Howard has Range, the ability to expand his boundries. Rush just runs over the same hate and fear crap he always does- with some meglomania thrown in.
But what is so outrageous is that those who hate him are giving him life! Our sick morbid curiosity is feeding this fat lazy vile excuse for human flesh!
Granted ignoring him will not make him go away- but it will relinquish him to the Fringe of media existence where he deserve to be.Cops push traffic past fatal car crashes, one to keep traffic moving, Second to spare Us the view of the Gore and three to provide those involved a little privacy.Let's Allow the Right to experience this horrendous accident with the gift of solitude.
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Mar 14, 2009 8:41 AM
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Anyone who lives in the Detroit area may have seen his church, The Shrine of the Little White Flower, a grotesquely ugly, tacky piece of work. fitting shrine to this character. I wonder what Rush will leave behind for a shrine?
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If you think liberals don't do this, then you need to read this website more often.
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» Oh please. Democrats are too nice to their ABUSIVE spouse, the GOP !
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» So if Beck's a feminist, then why support a party that continues anti-feminism as shown here?
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» Thanks for pointing out damaging evidence of sheer hypocrisy. And all this despite Pelosi being the
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» That's right ! And as long as men are left out, GOD will punish us with more Limbaugh hell !
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Posted by: blackdog on Mar 14, 2009 9:03 AM
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Although I've listened to right wing radio too much at times to the point I concede some great points are occasionally raised there, I generally find the righties' shows only help me reinforce my own lefty beliefs.
And I agree with the righties in that any government attempt to stifle criticism should be met with a firm reading of the First Amendment and a swift kick in the ass.
That said, people will listen to Rush and Mike Savage and the rest because of their bombastic and entertaining (to some) style and that they appeal to people of certain mind-sets, be it the America-at-all-costs crowd, the media-is-liberally-biased crowd, or the "our government is failing us in favor of cheap immigrant labor," crowd, the gay-hating crowd or others.
The way to attack those mind-sets isn't by spewing leftern vitriol and calling someone a fat druggie; it's leading - and living - by example and educating all with the hope that things can change for the better.
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Posted by: roy f on Mar 14, 2009 10:10 AM
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For the past 28 years since Reagan came to power and the Democrats shifted far to the right, both parties have been redistributing wealth upward. They have kept the economy going, even as they have taken money away from most non-rich consumers, by having them go more and more into debt to keep them spending. But people can only go so much into debt, so just as happened in 1929, we are rapidly spiraling into another depression. As the non-rich now plunge economically, expect the dittoheads' deflected rage to rise accordingly, as they try to shoot themselves in the feet politically even more so than before.
The way to counteract Rush's message is to point out who the real culprits are. Unfortunately, almost all of the politicians and mass media are in the pay of the culprits, so it's difficult to get that message out. While Democratic politicians and voters don't blame those at the bottom the way Republicans do, neither do they sufficiently blame those at the top. (When have you ever heard a Democratic politician put things as bluntly as this, and how often do you hear Democratic voters do so?) They either act like it's a mystery how everything went wrong, or blame it on the particular people involved in this particular crisis (people who sold Adjustable Rate Mortgages or created arcane financial instruments, for instance). Almost all Democratic politicians hide the Big Picture just as Republicans do, and most Democratic voters don't see it, or only see it vaguely: that our whole economic and political system is designed to redistribute wealth upward. Until that message gets out, we will continue to have enraged totally-clueless dittoheads, and even many somewhat-clueless liberals as well.
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Posted by: kedikat on Mar 14, 2009 10:20 AM
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There is a huge number of people on both right and left that are satisfied with this instant confirmation of their views.
Simple quick solutions are the preferred ones. Even if you just have to pretend that they work.
Not long ago Limbaugh and his type would not have reached a large audience. Media had no time for such trivial people. They were crowded out by those who offered real information. Now there are 24 hour a day pipelines for the trivial. Crowding out the real information.
Lifestyles and shallow educational styles crowd out the time and ability to actually process information. It is served up prepackaged and instant. This is eroding all things down to this level.
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Posted by: billwald on Mar 14, 2009 10:32 AM
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The one observable truth of (right wing) Christian doctrine is that there is some sort of birth defect (DNA?) that infects all humans and clouds our thinking.
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Posted by: archives@uwyo.edu on Mar 14, 2009 10:47 AM
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Posted by: jmmartin on Mar 14, 2009 1:05 PM
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But even if we prove such connections, I favor letting the Rushbos of this world have their say. I am forever mindful of the great late Oliver Wendell Holmes who wrote a Supreme Court dissent in a censorship case ending with his observation that if the First Amendment is to have any meaning at all, it demands that we allow all ideas to have trade in the marketplace of ideas, where they will be shouted down without interference by censors.
Rush is not the problem. His listeners are. Like him, they are insensitive slugs, oblivious to individual rights -- to freedom, really.
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» Untrue and useless analogy.
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» Correct. Articles about Limbaugh once every 3 days means more conceding sellouts from the Democrats.
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Posted by: knight on Mar 14, 2009 7:38 PM
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Mar 15, 2009 2:36 AM
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But he's not. Shows like Rush's are an artificial construct of a rigged system.
In fact, studies show that less than half of hate-radio listeners identify themselves as conservatives. Hate radio is an artificial construct forced upon a liberal nation.
The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio
As earlier commenters have noted, hate radio has done incalculable damage to the well-being of our country. But this pernicious phenomenon represents a small group of degenerates, not most Americans.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 15, 2009 4:37 AM
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The morality police - the bloviating gas bags of the religious right - have fallen harder and lower than the stock market. I agree with Frank Rich that this can only be a good thing.
The greatest religious writer of the twentieth century is a man whose name most people have never even heard. When you have a moment or two, read the writings of Thomas Merton. He was a man who took seriously the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth in the Sermon on the Mount:
Blessed are the peace makers,
For they shall be called sons [and daughters] of God.
It has truly been an amazing (and amusing) thing to watch these so-called "spokesmen of Christ" defending the morally indefensible these past thirty years. And now - finally - they're going away. It seems an answer to a prayer.
Thank you, Lord.
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Posted by: FreeAmerica on Mar 15, 2009 9:22 AM
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Item one, the hate. The hate is all right here on the left as demonstrated in comment after comment, guys and gals.. I have heard Limbaugh many times, and hate is not his bag. Knight's run-on sentance was much more accurate than any other post here.
The left hates Limbaugh because he puts their idiotic ideas into the arena of debate. Many of them are just plain bad ideas, and they will not stand the light of day. Since the MSM still has obama and the DNC's penis in their mouth, there is no one left to debate the ideas and expose them other than rush, hannity, et al.
In my personal case, I read both sides, because somewhere in the debate lies the basis of an informed opinion. Reading only this article and comments would not lead to anything but an opinion of Limbaugh formed of ignorance and hatred. Reading only Limbaugh, you would think that the democrats are comprised exclusively by dullards, an opinion that this article reinforces more that el rushbo never could himself.
The source of your hatred and frequent desire to shut down opposition speech is that America likes an informed opinion, the left wants to hide their ideas from the light of day.
A good example of this is the article the other day about 'Can we use the S word now..' In the comments lot of socialists came out of the closet.
The problem is, if you actually brought the idea of changing the US from a constitutional republic to a democratic socialist state out and put it to the people, it would never fly. It would take troublesome things like convincing the electorate to change the constitution and whole way of government. It is much preferable to boil the frog one degree at a time and quietly move the country in that direction.
The real reason that the left hates Rush is that he shines the light of truth in their ideas and forces them into the arena of debate and public awareness. While not all ideas on the left are bad, some are, and they would just as soon that they not be exposed for the incompetence, socialism, or criminality that they represent.
Those that accuse Limbaugh of racism or hatred have no idea what they are talking about. You are ignorant drones parroting Big Brother's party line talking points. Feel free to prove me wrong with quotes and links rather than generalized attacks.
BTW, who is your favorite socialist? Pol Pot? Castro? Chavez? Stallin? Hitler? Mousolini? Kim Jong Il? Mao? Ho Chi Min?
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Posted by: kedikat on Mar 15, 2009 9:48 AM
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They get to the point fast and simple. Though the point is often totally wrong.
Too often I notice the people who offer more in depth and correct assessments also take a far too winding road to the point. Along the way they will throw in many obscure references to highlight how smart they are. References to ancient history, to philosophers, personal name dropping.
Right now I think we just don't have time for this. Connect the relevant dots in the shortest route. Speak in the language and social frame of the people you really want to hear the story.
If you are coming across like an old professor, then the ones who will hear you out to the end are already enrolled in your class.
The Daily Show is getting the air time. They keep it short, to the point and sharp. With an Amen Brothers and Sisters in the form of "F@#K You !!!" that a vast majority needs to hear.
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Posted by: Birdland on Mar 15, 2009 10:03 AM
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» EXACTLY !
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Posted by: weslen1 on Mar 15, 2009 6:51 PM
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Here's the answer I sent back.
Rush is a puke and deserves no ones support or any form of respect. All the GOP are the same. None of you cares one bit about what's happening to this country except for your millionaire friends and billionaire donors. That includes the troops you so callously send to the slaughter in illegal wars of aggression most of YOU were too cowardly to fight in yourselves when it was your time to show your phony patriotism. You cover up for your corporate buddies who harm our troops and excuse yourselves by waving your weak hands in the air and saying they volunteered.
What you should all do is get yourselves each a big fat cigar, a bottle of oxycontin, and a FAT SUIT and join Limbo in his worship of the gangster era you all wish you could have been top players in. Or build yourselves a new wild wild west and duel yourselves to death in the Cayman Islands or where ever you have your own personal tax dodges. You are all a disgrace and a bunch of traitorous dogs.
Leaders LIE, Civilians DIE, and Lessons of History are IGNORED!
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Posted by: GatorGrad on Mar 15, 2009 7:54 PM
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Then, Reagan, the prophet of profligacy and supplier of missiles to the Moslem holy warriors in Afghanistan and to Ayatollah Khomeni, but close ally of Saddam Hussein, comes along to tell our dispirited people that we don’t have to feel bad about the carpet bombing, the dumping of all that dioxin and napalm all over the Indochinese, throwing those prisoners out of helicopters, the My Lai massacre, etc. etc. for ten damn years. For one thing, they don’t take Jesus as their savior and aren’t going to the big barbecue in the sky when they die anyway. Like Reagan, Limbaugh and the rest of his gang are soulless demagogues. The ruling class loved them because, like the aristocrackers of the old South, they prevent the large majority from uniting to protect and promote their own interests. Like the Southerner, landless and barely literate, duped into fighting for someone ,else’s slaves, the dittoheads of today fall prey to the divisive tactics of the hate radio demagogues, while the fat cats laugh all the way to the bank(or DID, until even they started taking all the free market fundamentalist B.S. too seriously themselves.) The dittoheads can drive around in their monster pickups and brandish the Confederate flag all they want, but in the end, these are the symbols of the Southern Sucker.
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Posted by: FreeAmerica on Mar 16, 2009 1:44 AM
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Feel free to debate me on this.
FA
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Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on Mar 16, 2009 2:43 PM
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The swastika is an ancient symbol, temporarily (on the universal scale) perverted by the Nazis.
Almost anything can be twisted to serve a purpose, sometimes good, sometimes sinister.
Individuals like Limbaugh contribute to a perversion of expression that serves to generate profit for his employers.
Any expression in the service of profit is not to be considered free speech. Mr. Limbaugh, or his employer, is entitled to bring his soapbox to the park and express as high and mightily as he'd like. His ideas will be received with either accolades from those who bother to stop and listen, or he will be pelted with rotten tomatoes. In neither case will he have been paid for his exertions and will be at worst, a public nuisance.
On the other hand, if he is paid money for his "expression" and money supports his line of communication into homes and ears, that is not free speech and no one should feel hesitant to regulate or eradicate it, if it doesn't serve the greater good.
That said, unless the idea of greater good can be made to turn a profit, the capitalists will continue to make their bucks off selling the fetish of unbridled individualism.
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