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Conservatives Love Porn -- Surprised? You Shouldn't Be

By Amanda Marcotte, RH Reality Check. Posted March 12, 2009.


Lots of porn dovetails nicely with the conservative view on sex: that good girls dislike sex and bad girls who get down don't deserve respect.

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A recent study that finds that states hospitable to disapproving anti-sex scolds are the same states in which more online porn is consumed is the sort of link bait that editors stay up nights dreaming about.  People guffawing about conservative hypocrites, people defending conservative hypocrites, and dudes who want to make it clear that every other dude looks at as much porn as they do are all sure to weigh in on something like that.  Echidne of the Snakes had my favorite response, wondering why the study didn't break down by gender when every other variable came into play.  The enormous gender gap in who gives money over to the porn industry (which is not the same as who watches porn) is the sort of thing that's sure to embarrass the men of America, and so I see why it slid off the radar as a relevant data point.  

One aspect of this study that’s getting obscured in much of the coverage is that they didn’t actually measure who consumes online porn at all.  If they did, they’d find a much higher average than some measly 5.42 out of 1,000, which is the proportion of people in the conservative, religious state of Utah who subscribe to porn sites (the highest proportion of all states).  The study merely measured these subscribers, a much different and more dedicated group of porn users than the rest of Americans, who tend to pay to play on occasion or, most likely, just use the myriad of free porn sites to get a quick fix before moving onto other things.  

Presumably, the small percentage of the population that gives over money to have a steady, uninterrupted flow of mountains of pornographic videos are people that aren't getting their needs and desires met elsewhere on a regular enough basis to compete with what porn offers.  Having seen, like pretty much all Americans, plenty of porn in my time and, unlike many Americans, having tried to analyze what it means in our culture for quite a long time, I've concluded that porn basically appeals to a presumably male audience (women watch porn, but most porn is not made with a female audience in mind) for two reasons. There's the plain old sexual fantasy that appeals to 100% of porn users, and for a smaller but probably more devoted group, there's the appeal of seeing women degraded by sex in order to make up for the indignity of having to treat women with respect in real life.   

It's human nature to respond strongly to sexual fantasy, at least portrayals of our sexual fantasies, and so that explains the appeal of porn to men, whether they're misogynists or not.  Silly but relatively harmless fantasies like insatiable women and consensual voyeurism proliferate through porn in response to this.  Unfortunately, there's also a large and possibly growing market of porn that's main selling point is its vicious misogyny.  Websites like the infamous Bang Bus make all their money by showing men insulting, spitting upon, and having coerced sex with women, all with a tone of revenge fantasy for some imagined slight delivered by women in real life.  By no means do I think that this kind of stuff appeals to all men, but there's a misogynist audience out there who happily will pay to see this sort of thing. 


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Amanda Marcotte co-writes the popular blog Pandagon. She is the author of It's a Jungle Out There: The Feminist Survival Guide to Politically Inhospitable Environments.

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They're only humans too but their hypocrisy makes me glad I left them in 1988.
Posted by: LaughingModerateIndependent on Mar 12, 2009 12:33 AM   
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Back then, I had already seen the cracks in the Republican hypocrisy forming but I guess it took this long for others to realize. Oh well, better late than never.

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The Funny Thing Is...
Posted by: HeatherC on Mar 12, 2009 12:48 AM   
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It's liberals who are producing all the porn in the first place. They are also the ones who are pushing to legalize it everywhere they can. Lead us not into temptation...

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» So what are ya' gonna do about it? Posted by: LaughingModerateIndependent
» Real Libertarians wouldn't push to illegalize porn. LOL ! Posted by: LaughingModerateIndependent
» Such fine art! Posted by: 2thepoint
» Wildly obtuse Posted by: NWCrow
» RE: Wildly obtuse Posted by: bizeeb
» Don't over-read my comment Posted by: Quicksilver
» Sorry-- that was from me Posted by: NWCrow
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» Let me get this straight... Posted by: NWCrow
» RE: Such fine art! Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: Such fine art! Posted by: 2thepoint
» RE: Such fine art! Posted by: Crazy H
» Evidence? Posted by: Parcival01
» RE: The Funny Thing Is... Posted by: jareilly
» legalize it? Posted by: bizeeb
» RE: The Funny Thing Is... Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: The Funny Thing Is... Posted by: zola77
Armchairsubversive.com
Posted by: debocracy on Mar 12, 2009 1:40 AM   
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Just visit Armchairsubversive.com to see for yourself how horribly corrupt and corrupted Republican men are.

Mr. Versive has collected newspaper accounts from all over the US showing Republicans at every level engaged in lewd, lascivious, indecent, and unethical behavior. There is no Democratic Counterpart.

I was raised Republican. I was surrounded by Republican men. I thought that all men were, therefore mean, and married two mean men. Took me 34 years to escape that hell! Republican men in my experience want to "teach everybody a lesson" and often act suggestively to young girls. Now, we have Mr. Versive to thank for his diligent research into the bowels of the Republican mind.

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» RE: Armchairsubversive.com Posted by: humanvalues
» You've gotta be kidding me Posted by: bagsofsand
» RE: Armchairsubversive.com Posted by: greyeagle
I'm Shocked. Shocked.
Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 12, 2009 3:21 AM   
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Every guy I've ever known who had a porn fetish - lots of Hustler magazines, X-rated videos etc. was a die hard right winger. I never knew a progressive who was (overtly anyway) addicted to pornography. Never.

Isn't life funny?

Weekend at Franklin's

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» RE: I'm Shocked. Shocked. Posted by: Cybershaman
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» RE: I'm Shocked. Shocked. Posted by: Uriahz
» agree Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey
» RE: I'm Shocked. Shocked. Posted by: 2thepoint
Pornography belongs in a box
Posted by: weathered on Mar 12, 2009 3:33 AM   
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there is nothing attractive about a Woman w/dicks in every orifice.

Interview the porn people when they're 31 not 21, that is pornographic fallout.

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» ROTFLMAO! Well said. Posted by: GuitarBill
If You Are an Adult in This Country....
Posted by: shill on Mar 12, 2009 3:42 AM   
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....then it shouldn't matter if you are a liberal or conservative. Pornography between consenting adults should be legal. Enough moralizing about it! It's like the so-called "War On Drugs." Has that stopped drugs? Did Prohibition stop alcohol? Porn has always been around and will always be around. If one doesn't want to look at it, then don't. Simple as that. Liberal OR conservative.

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Also, see the other ignorant conservative article above
Posted by: PaulK on Mar 12, 2009 5:36 AM   
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Ignorance is a major plank in the social conservative platform. No "conservative" pundit is ever, ever going to write or speak about sex, if for no other reason than because few if any pundits have any lifetime experience talking about sex. They personally had a couple of tries in a parked car and they felt so ashamed afterwards. That's all you get out of them.

Unlike the conservative outlets, Alternet is open. Sex is what adult humans do. Sex is the fuel behind massive rape figures, behind sky-high divorce rates, behind millions of unwanted pregnancies, behind rampant STD epidemics. We care. We want a healthier society. We want healthier lovers. We don't want to personally hurt so much.

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Bang On!
Posted by: dongarb on Mar 12, 2009 6:05 AM   
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"there's the appeal of seeing women degraded by sex in order to make up for the indignity of having to treat women with respect in real life"

I'm a male and I sometimes watch internet porn. I'm also a gentleman and the rising tide of abusive and misogynistic porn really grosses me out. My sex fantasies always involve treating joyful women REALLY nicely, and in order to find porn like that, I have to search for "vintage erotica" from the 70's and 80's. The modern stuff with spitting, choking, slapping and just general all around abusing of beautiful women is a total turn off to me.

Creepy men who feel entitled to be the boss of deferential female slaves ought to move to a country with "honor killing". Where women are routinely murdered by their families for talking to a strange male on the street, or something equally as trivial. Hopefully the next generation of males, growing up in a culture where women are true equals, will make for a better planet all around.

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» Awesome! :) RE: Bang On! Posted by: LadyHeartland
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» Open your mind up a bit Posted by: bagsofsand
WTF Why this crap?
Posted by: curiousdwk on Mar 12, 2009 6:55 AM   
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I'm sorry. This article started out as if it had something amusing to say, if not informational. But I lost it when I read the following in one of the early paragraphs:

"there's the appeal of seeing women degraded by sex in order to make up for the indignity of having to treat women with respect in real life."

I didn't even bother reading the rest of the article.

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» RE: WTF Why this crap? Posted by: prtsimmons
Wait just a moment...
Posted by: Xynyx on Mar 12, 2009 7:16 AM   
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hang on... um... just... getting situated... here...

OK.

Now... tell me more about the naughty girls.

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The best part of that study?
Posted by: Defenestrator on Mar 12, 2009 9:00 AM   
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Online porn use went down slightly on Sundays. Awesome.

But, specifically, "a 1% increase in a postal code's religious attendance was associated with a 0.1% drop in subscriptions that day" meaning that 90% of the porn watching church-goers checked out "Budapest Bootyfest" right before or right after church. Double-awesome.

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Wasn't there a poll/study . . .
Posted by: dudelette on Mar 12, 2009 9:40 AM   
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among evangelicals that found that at least 50% of these men viewed porn on a regular, often daily, basis?

Basing a study on subscriptions alone is much easier, but with all the free porn available it would make sense that many men would take advantage of it, especially as they wouldn't have to explain the credit card or checking account charge for a subscription.

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utah
Posted by: sureshot45 on Mar 12, 2009 9:44 AM   
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just read an article about the 'happiest' state in the country. guess who won out? over hawaii. yup..utah. maybe porn=happiness after all.

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A view from someone that hears from these repressed guys...
Posted by: LScribbens on Mar 12, 2009 9:52 AM   
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My wife and I have had an open relationship for some years, both in what some call "swinging" and in polyamorous relationships. We also live in the #1 state mentioned in the study. We do have a profile on a swinger's dating site. We get contacted numerous times a week by married "single" men looking to have a threesome with us, and the story is always the same: "I love my wife but she just doesn't fulfill my needs sexually". So they mistakenly believe that swingers are a good way to get some no-strings-attached sex.

For the most part, they are wrong. Most swingers live in a world of honesty with their spouse and therefore they won't help someone else lie and cheat on theirs.

As mentioned though, these men are sexually unsatisfied within their marriage. They all say "I don't want to leave her, I love her, but we just never have sex, or she doesn't like sex" (or both). Why? I feel in our culture at least, girls are told that sex is wrong and that they are sluts if they do it before marriage and "nobody wants to marry someone who's been used by others" etc., and they are promised great sex if they wait until they are married. But it doesn't work-out that way. You can't expect a woman to just shut-off like a switch 20+ years of "sex is wrong" conditioning just because suddenly she has a ring on her finger.

So, they get married and she doesn't want to have sex because of the inner conflict and guilt associated with it, even though it's now "okay" to be "slutty" for your husband. So the men aren't getting and they look outside their marriage for that aspect of their life.

Then comes porn. It's the same outlet, as you mention, and those getting it the least are finding other ways to express their sexual Self, porn, cheating, etc.

There are many other aspects to it, but this is one we see most often because these men want my wife to be their sex surrogate. Too bad it doesn't work out that way.

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No accounting for taste. Nice split, tho...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Mar 12, 2009 9:56 AM   
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...between who see our bodies as just our bodies and those who see our bodies as liberal/conservative political objects.

Kudos to you and your followers. May your many links/hits bring you joy, however fleeting your disciples' ability to fund your activities might be.

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cavemen at home
Posted by: fomented on Mar 12, 2009 11:16 AM   
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I don't think men call you names if they know you well, but I do think they make judgements.

It's like a power thing if they like sex more than you do; a caveman thing so they can make
a conquest constantly, in absence of any real dinosaurs to stab.

Maybe their work lives are too easy; you'd think they'd want a break from stress, not another hassle @ home.

Guess it doesn't work that way from being brainwashed early on and the need for power not found outside the home.

(See, I used the 'caveman lived with dinos' thing like the religious folk do).

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Salacious salvation
Posted by: Bizatch! on Mar 12, 2009 11:42 AM   
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All men enjoy porn, but to be sure conservative men exhibit a lot of enthusiasm for sexual satisfaction which surpasses that of more open-minded folk. Much like we see in Saudi Arabia, there is a lot of tension beneath the surface of piety that is channeled into hardcore, dirty fantasies. The really perverse thing about it is that only the richest of these conservatives can indulge these fantasies 'safely' and secretly.

My extended family consists of very traditional, church-going folk who I accept and appreciate. One thing that is consistent among the most religious members is that they ALL got married quite young and wasted no time having kids. The frequency of sex with their main partner alone (that is, their wives) likely outpaces even that of a committed gigolo, by my estimation (it's still easier to come home and fuck with a steady partner than to constantly woo and indulge a new one!). I've never known more active people, over a long period of time.

From what journalists and others have observed (and not always reported), the incidence of sex workers at political conventions or special events is always higher among conservative attendees than non-conservatives. I believe it relates to the freedom to pursue iniquitous pleasures that wealth accords its favored ones... who usually turn out to be conservative-minded as a matter of course.

As for porn being produced by lefties, I would have to disagree. Those in the business have every interest in maintaining the status quo, and are deeply cynical about the aims of most progressives. They see themselves as businessmen with a modern conservative outlook, which is to say, without a conscience as to how they make a living or who they are hurting. A left-leaning humanist worthy of the term would not find this at all a defensible enterprise.

Don't be taken in by facile judgments based on stereotypes!

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» Well Said! Posted by: dongarb
On the surface it makes sense
Posted by: Ahimsa on Mar 12, 2009 4:20 PM   
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Your argument seems to make sense on the surface, you have studied this, obviously.
Still, I think our inclination to porn goes beyond how much real sex we get. How about sex + porn?

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Stick to the facts and quit shooting your mouth
Posted by: distancebiker23 on Mar 12, 2009 4:26 PM   
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If there is a correlation between Conservative men and porn, then there's a correlation. You can't deny a study if it's backed up and well done.
Also, never generalize that someone's liberal or conservative that makes porn. Unless you can bring me a valid study. Then I'll believe you. Especially if there's more than one that prove the same point.
And let's face it, psychologists have studied the phenomena of porn for ages, and they came to a conclusion that our society is so strict that our sexual desires have to be released, and porn was a good way to service that need.
Knowing this, it would make sense that people who apply their lives to stricter ways of living might feel more inclined to let out those desires in a low-key way.

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Have you ever seen a naked liberal?
Posted by: HappyKlaus on Mar 12, 2009 4:56 PM   
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Trust reality on this one... nobody wants to see Liberals naked or having sex. So the only audience left is conservatives. Ergo, conservatives consume more porn than Liberals.

Of course Liberals only understand sex if they are on the receiving end of anal, be it from their partner or their government, so why bother?

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Porn is an outlet in a power mis-match
Posted by: chief of okeefe on Mar 12, 2009 6:17 PM   
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Some men may use porn because their wives may not like or want sex. I think some may be like my situation. My wife is willing to make love, and I think she enjoys it on the rare occasions we "do it". But the only way I am getting intimacy is after I jump thru 20 hoops, usually involving expenditures of money I do not have. I think that the game is, in her mind, all about power. She can take it or leave it, but she knows I need it like air. So she withholds it to get power and control. This may be true in alot of marriages.

So, after a while, the man gives up and gives in, and he learns to take care of himself, using porn as needed. This suppresses his apparent desire for sex and equalizes the power mis-match.

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feminist porn to the rescue!
Posted by: Kelly on Mar 12, 2009 6:54 PM   
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Take this, conservative porn consumers!!!

http://www.pinkwhite.biz/

http://www.goodforher.com/Feminist_Porn_Awards.html

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Not a bit surprised
Posted by: Perry Logan on Mar 13, 2009 2:58 AM   
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Of course conservatives like porm. The Right are degenerates.

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Could it be about the money?
Posted by: bagsofsand on Mar 15, 2009 10:17 PM   
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Conservatives tend to have more money than liberals and would be more likely to pay more for entertainment. That could be it. Liberals tend to think that everything is somehow a fundamental right and everyone should get it for free. Maybe a lot are just waiting on that. If conservatives really are more conservative, than they probably do feel weird asking their lover to do something crazy so why not pay someone else to? Why does the word porn have to carry such a stigma? Does it really matter who watches more porn than whom? It will just be turned into fodder for the propaganda machine and the dunderheads who look for anything to bash the other guy with. And weren't all Dr. Seuss books porn in disguise?

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So libs should stop making porn!
Posted by: reelman on Mar 16, 2009 5:38 AM   
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The libs are the makers-pushers...so there you go...oh, who did smut king Larry Flynt ALWAYS support?
Always attack?

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DEMS JUST LOVE CRIME
Posted by: reelman on Mar 18, 2009 2:20 PM   
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The mysterious petty theft that President Obama's new computer chief committed at age 21 was shoplifting four dress shirts worth $134 from J.C. Penney.

A 1996 Montgomery County, Md., police report obtained by The Associated Press on Wednesday under a public records law shows DEMOCRAT Vivek Kundra was observed by a security guard putting the men's shirts into a shopping bag and leaving the store without paying. Sgt. Tom Stanton wrote that DEMOCRAT Kundra was arrested after a brief foot chase and the property was recovered.

DEMOCRAT Kundra pleaded guilty, paid a $100 fine and $55 in court courts and was ordered to do 80 hours of community service. The White House has called a DEMOCRAT "youthful indiscretion" long ago resolved.
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When was any "youthful indiscretion" by a Republican trival??/
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AGE 21
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A thief fits right in with the 4 year tax cheat that is the new dufus DEMOCRAT Sec of the Treasury!!!

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My Fetish Doesn't Define My Character
Posted by: TomHouseman on Mar 19, 2009 2:50 PM   
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I am an extremely liberal feminist. I was raised by my mother to respect women just as much as I respect men. I read feminist literature, I am pro-choice, and I think that the only thing more disgusting than rape is child abuse.
Over the last year I have had sex with four different women, one of whom was my girlfriend at the time. Most of these women would consider themselves feminists. During sex I have tied them up. I have hit them and choked them, and called them a variety of degrading names, including whore, slut, pet, and toy. They loved it just as much as I do, and they orgasmed far more often than I did. I am still friends with all of these women and I respect them all. Before and after the sex we were equals, but during the sex I was the master and they were the slaves.
I'm not sure how I became a BD/SM enthusiast. I have no doubt that there is some sort of psychological explanation as to why I am very sexually dominant and why all of those women were very sexually submissive, but I don't know what it is. What I do know is that just because I enjoy these activities-and I do watch lots of BD/SM porn-that doesn't mean that I think of women as being less than men. I don't buy into the Virgin/Whore complex. If I get married, it will be to a woman who challenges me every day, and hopefully one who let's me have my way with her every night. This doesn't make me a hypocrite, and it doesn't make me a bad person. I am sure that there are some men who are like those described in this article, but just because I call a woman a slut in bed doesn't mean I am a misogynist out of bed.

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Not True About Brothels
Posted by: cypriot on Mar 21, 2009 4:56 PM   
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I take issue with the remark about brothels. Amanda Marcotte implies that men are allowed to abuse women in brothels. That is completely untrue. Show me where this happens in any of the legal brothels in Nevada.

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