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The Costs of Empire: Can We Really Afford 1,000 Overseas Bases?
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In the midst of an economic crisis that's getting scarier by the day, it's time to ask whether the nation can really afford some 1,000 military bases overseas. For those unfamiliar with the issue, you read that number correctly. One thousand. One thousand U.S. military bases outside the 50 states and Washington, DC, representing the largest collection of bases in world history.
Officially the Pentagon counts 865 base sites, but this notoriously unreliable number omits all our bases in Iraq (likely over 100) and Afghanistan (80 and counting), among many other well-known and secretive bases. More than half a century after World War II and the Korean War, we still have 268 bases in Germany, 124 in Japan, and 87 in South Korea. Others are scattered around the globe in places like Aruba and Australia, Bulgaria and Bahrain, Colombia and Greece, Djibouti, Egypt, Kuwait, Qatar, Romania, Singapore, and of course, Guantánamo Bay, Cuba -- just to name a few. Among the installations considered critical to our national security are a ski center in the Bavarian Alps, resorts in Seoul and Tokyo, and 234 golf courses the Pentagon runs worldwide.
Unlike domestic bases, which set off local alarms when threatened by closure, our collection of overseas bases is particularly galling because almost all our taxpayer money leaves the United States (much goes to enriching private base contractors like corruption-plagued former Halliburton subsidiary KBR). One part of the massive Ramstein airbase near Landstuhl, Germany, has an estimated value of $3.3 billion. Just think how local communities could use that kind of money to make investments in schools, hospitals, jobs, and infrastructure.
Even the Bush administration saw the wastefulness of our overseas basing network. In 2004, then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld announced plans to close more than one-third of the nation's overseas installations, moving 70,000 troops and 100,000 family members and civilians back to the United States. National Security Adviser Jim Jones, then commander of U.S. forces in Europe, called for closing 20% of our bases in Europe. According to Rumsfeld's estimates, we could save at least $12 billion by closing 200 to 300 bases alone. While the closures were derailed by claims that closing bases could cost us in the short term, even if this is true, it's no reason to continue our profligate ways in the longer term.
Costs Far Exceeding Dollars and Cents
Unfortunately, the financial costs of our overseas bases are only part of the problem. Other costs to people at home and abroad are just as devastating. Military families suffer painful dislocations as troops stationed overseas separate from loved ones or uproot their families through frequent moves around the world. While some foreign governments like U.S. bases for their perceived economic benefits, many locals living near the bases suffer environmental and health damage from military toxins and pollution, disrupted economic, social, and cultural systems, military accidents, and increased prostitution and crime.
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Posted by: matty848 on Mar 10, 2009 12:43 AM
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Thank you for the article. Your work is indispensable.
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Posted by: pfgetty on Mar 10, 2009 2:59 AM
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Our bases are killing us. Literally, financially, diplomatically, morally.
But we built these bases, they said, to fight communists in all the nooks and corners of the globe. When communism went out of vogue as a reason for these bases, they brought us 9/11.
9/11 is the reason now that most people in the US are fine with having all of these bases. Fighting terrorism, they say, is something that must be done in every country, every bit of civil strife anywhere, every place where there are disgruntled people. They say all of these people will join al-Qaeda and destroy the US if we don't have bases everywhere for our troops and for the CIA and other covert operatives to work out of.
Of course, all of this is bullshit. 9/11 was an inside job, brought to us to present us with the New Pearl Harbor, so that they could maintain and multiply our bases. And as long as 9/11 lies live, these bases will remain. And eat us alive.
All of this could be reversed quite easily. Tell us, Alternet, about the lies of 9/11. If other alternative media would do the same, we would have a groundswell of activism from at least the left, and maybe the middle, and even the msm would join in finally and report the biggest story of all time: the con job that is 9/11
You can do it, Alternet. Tell us the truth of 9/11. Break the conspiracy you have joined in keeping this story from us. Change the world........big time!
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» getting a little sick of hearing that the Bushcons were too inept to pull it off.
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» RE: getting a little sick of...EXACTLY- that's what the PTB want us to think
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» You bring up a good point . . .
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Posted by: robchapman on Mar 10, 2009 4:42 AM
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North Korea would not exist in its present state without the threat of US forces south of the DMZ.
Our bases in Saudi Arabia are the direct reason for al Qaada's attack on us.
Other powers are secure without foreign bases.
Fantasy land is the place where people believe this huge military establishment is anything but a target.
It is time to renounce the empire and withdraw the troops.
Robert Chapman
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Posted by: MeyravLevine on Mar 10, 2009 5:34 AM
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In the same spirit, I think we can safely describe US as a military-financial complex with a country.
We are a rogue state. The state is not beholden to the people. In fact, we are probably the most propagandized people in the world.
Almost all of the news we consume is a corporate product crafted by a handful of corporations such as GE and Disney.
We have a double-digit unemployment rate yet people are still silently accepting the abuse of our trust and financial assets.
We are losing jobs to China/Indian even as the same Corporations receive funds from Federal stimulus package.
In a way, we deserve to be where we are today.
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Posted by: roli on Mar 10, 2009 6:23 AM
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Posted by: jleman on Mar 10, 2009 6:27 AM
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The point is, we had this great golf course. Many of the bases did. For the regular Japanese to pay for green fees to play golf, it is cheaper for them to fly to Hawaii or the States to play - unless they were "in" with the US military.
During my time at this base, I learned that sometimes the person running the show was the head enlisted man, and having shown many visiting brass, including congress people, a "good time", including photos for later "leverage", nothing was beyond doing if it would bring more power.
Main defense manufacturers weren't beyond graft and corruption. And, they were never charged nor were facts ever shown the light of day even though reported up through the chain of command. They put our military personnel at risk, and our country at peril, for their greed. Nothing, and I do mean nothing, was a limit on what they were capable of. And, it is all about the money and power.
Shut the bases down, and at any cost. The reason I say this, is that I know that even though they'll find some way to screw us, at least we won't be on the hook for that military base any longer. Starve the beast.
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Posted by: roli on Mar 10, 2009 6:28 AM
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 10, 2009 6:48 AM
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WE have the ability to see what is going on and address it through technological advances.The only real problem is what do we do with all the people returning to find other jobs in this economy? Perhaps some would like to stay and assimilate into these host countries instead. The Alps you say?
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Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Mar 10, 2009 7:19 AM
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Posted by: gar1948 on Mar 10, 2009 8:41 AM
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It is no wonder we spend twice as much on "defense" as the rest of the whole world combined. Why should the other countries waste their money on defense when we are taking care of it for them - and contributing nicely to their local economies at the same time.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Mar 10, 2009 9:12 AM
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"They" in the "Defense Industry" will say that jobs are created and on the line. I will say that it is high time that we stop with the warfare mongering. As FDR said "the only thing we have to fear, is fear itself..." Well really, I believe that what we have to fear are those that continue to pursue war as the first option! Those that would shun diplomacy as some girlie-man option that we cannot afford to have! Those that believe this, are those bullies that know that this government, our government along with corporate allies - that have done enough wrong (propped up bullying dictators for example) in other countries to fear the wrath of those that have been wronged! Frankly, sounds like a guilty conscious to me!!
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Posted by: MAD JEF on Mar 10, 2009 9:21 AM
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LESS FEAR IN THE WORLD OF BEING ATTACKED BY THE U.S.A.
Right now most of the World lives in fear of what we're going to do as a Country. Standing Armies of more than a million, bases all over the World and contracts with several others only promote the idea that the USA is trying to become a World Empire.
Just like we did with the Native Americans.
'Profit and Plunder' has always been our motto. Nothing's changed.
If Obama was a leader, a TRUE LEADER, he'd have ordered Bush and Co. arrested three seconds after taking the oath of Office. He would have signed Executive Orders halting all our little insurgencies we have been funding, shut down the 'Black Ops' division of the military and created a pact of Non-Aggression with all Nations in the World.
Instead he's supported the greedy,shit on the needy and surrounded himself with the seedy. SO far, he's the same old politician bonehead as the dickhole he replaced.
The People need a LEADER not a Corpie asskisser. Sorry Big O, the things you could have done to cement yourself as a man of the people you failed to do. You helped the Corpie assholes first and not the people.
You still have time to change the tune being played in DC,but do you have the courage to stand against the system? You have the power but will you use it for the People or the Corporations? SO far, you've shown us the same face we've seen for decades ' Change to be Decieved With'
Stand up for the People not AIG!!! AIG won't revolt if they fold up,but the people will if they like it's the same shit diffrent day.
Listen to the people not your 'advisers' for they seek to 'slay Ceaser not glorify him' and we are much better back-up than any military,police force or national Guard. We just need to know you're one of us and put us first over the corpies.
Are you with us Big O????
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Posted by: hurricane hugo on Mar 10, 2009 9:38 AM
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» Yeah, but...
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» it's not a rhetorical question
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Posted by: willymack on Mar 10, 2009 9:37 AM
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Posted by: fearn on Mar 10, 2009 9:41 AM
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How it done, Google, 'Amoral America', free download.
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» its about the US COMPELLING foreign citizenry into COMPLIANCE
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Posted by: Archie1954 on Mar 10, 2009 10:11 AM
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Mar 10, 2009 11:27 AM
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To make matter worse a very damaging report just came out on Pelosi regarding her abuse of airforce jets to be at her disposal. The airforce finally said enough is enough, that she was being abusive in her demand for aircraft on standby for her and her family. They were told in short that there would be a lot of disappointed people and a very angry Speaker.
Pull out from our overseas committments and dump Pelosi and we could save trillions!
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Posted by: HeatherC on Mar 10, 2009 11:30 AM
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1. A federal tax revolt. Pay your federal taxes to your home state. We can keep our own wheels turning at home while the idiots in Washington wise up and realize what they've been doing wrong. Face it, it's the money. We pay our taxes and they spend however they want. Cut off the money and they get the message.
2. Impose a ten-year moratorium on immigration. When they close the bases, about 2 million military personnel will be coming home and they will need jobs. Immigration will only increase competition in the civilian job market. Our population went from 250 million in 1990 to 300 million in 2005. That's 50 million in just 15 years!
It will take some tough decisions on our part, but this way it should be easy. Let the morons in Washington feel the pain for once.
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» Ofcourse, but you'll be accused of "racism" by the intellectual purists, academics, not workers.
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Posted by: Quannah on Mar 10, 2009 11:35 AM
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Close them all. Close them now.
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Posted by: Joey G on Mar 10, 2009 11:37 AM
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Ignoring America’s addiction to its hegemony, its desire for “forced projection” and the protection of vital energy resources, the most prominent obstacle I can think of is the now infamous military-industrial complex. In light of the current global economic crisis, how can the US even consider cutting spending in this area?
I ask because, in the Pentagon's budget, funds for military hardware are spread throughout as many states as possible. This strategy ensures that any member of congress who might consider voting against military spending would risk (or at least be accused of) putting a portion of his constituents out of work. That’s the last thing any of the perpetually campaigning congressmen would ever consider. In this current state of military Keynesianism that started during WWII, I don’t think it’s any secret that the billions and billions of dollars spent every year on military hardware is what is keeping our economy from totally collapsing at the moment.
In light of such circumstances, how can the Obama administration start closing any of our bases?
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Posted by: Will Miller on Mar 10, 2009 11:38 AM
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Our mercinary forces must have these overseas bases . . . ignore the call for closing these bases and further weakening our civil soldier military. [Ooooh, Tricky Dickie got rid of that group and Ronnie Baby built up on the mercenary military, my mistake, no civilian military here, all hail the Fourth Reich Wing.]
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Mar 10, 2009 11:41 AM
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✪ Obama, McCain and the Empire
Chalmers Johnson: No president has stood up to the military-industrial complex October 7, 2008
✪ The encirclement of Russia
Chalmers Johnson: "We have to back down unless we are looking for real confrontation with Russia" Pt 3 October 6, 2008
✪ Last days of the American Republic?
Chalmers Johnson: USA must cut back on military spending and build green infrastructure or face ruin Pt2 October 5, 2008
✪ Massive US military budget passed
Chalmers Johnson: US wrong to believe it can maintain both a military and civilian economy October 4, 2008
Mother Jones: Mission Creep - The map animation that opens this package uses Pentagon worldwide troop data from every half-decade since 1950, plus 2007, the latest year for which the data is available. These numbers are often fuzzy: Some deployments are classified, others are temporary, and just because the Defense Department claims 30 US troops in Indonesia last year doesn't mean 1,500 didn't pass through on training missions. Even so, the map, and the associated research, should give you a good feel for what the Pentagon is up to around the World.
Do you actually believe that THE OTHER BILLIONS OF GLOBAL CITIZENS LIKE BEING TREATED LIKE AMERICAN CHATTEL? ...do you really think we should blather our *thanks* for being Balkanized & WHINSEC'd into compliance to American corporations?
gee... thanks... if we thank you enough, will you stop paying your thugs to kick us to death?
perspective, people.
Perspective.
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Posted by: edgar1 on Mar 10, 2009 12:12 PM
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caution: many people will be out of work if military cut. military has been our "new deal" for decades; 9/11 and iraq saved w. bush from economic collapse for three years. these folks have skills but immediate alternate employment not feasible.nevertheless, if we dont slash federal spending way down, our dollar is dirt and the nation ends. (OK, that might be good. discuss that on another day).
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» To the contrary . . .
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Posted by: popham on Mar 10, 2009 7:18 PM
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American military bases around the globe.
For nine months, during my campaign as a third
party candidate for President of the U.S.,
I frequently debated and focused on this issue,
but no one was listening. These multiple bases
only serve to damage our image, create tension,
demoralize and anger decent Americans who
apparently are waking up to the gravity of this
issue. To close down even half of those bases,
would reduce political/military stress, bring
troops home and allow others to be re-deployed
to Iraq and Afghanistan, where they are needed.
The actual number of foreign bases at last
count was 823, not including the Middle East
hot spots. Indeed, it is overkill for the U.S.
to be maintaining these bases at such an
exhorbitant cost (billions). We like the idea
of pulling out of some of these countries and
just leave them our phone number in case they
have a problem.
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Posted by: HeatherC on Mar 10, 2009 9:01 PM
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We the American people have been setting examples for the world long enough. Now we're hurting. And when our economy fails, the rest of the world's economies fail too. And yet they still scream at us for not doing enough.
Well, they do have a point. We should shake down every politician in Washington. Democrats, Republicans, everyone. No exceptions. We fight to defend the USA, not wars for profit. If we value democracy above all else, then let's use the rights we have to change things. We don't owe the world our toil and sweat or our tax dollars, only our fair share. And when we have a crisis here at home, that crisis becomes our utmost priority. No one else will fix it for us.
We don't need military bases on foreign soil. The world does not need our presence to maintain order. No foreign enemy ever attacked the US without regretting it later on. Our enemies in World War II learned a hard lesson when they attacked us at Pearl Harbor: never disrespect the isolationist policy of a country that can make you regret it.
We're already number one. We have nothing more to prove.
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Thank you for the article. Your work is indispensable.
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Posted by: pfgetty on Mar 10, 2009 2:59 AM
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Our bases are killing us. Literally, financially, diplomatically, morally.
But we built these bases, they said, to fight communists in all the nooks and corners of the globe. When communism went out of vogue as a reason for these bases, they brought us 9/11.
9/11 is the reason now that most people in the US are fine with having all of these bases. Fighting terrorism, they say, is something that must be done in every country, every bit of civil strife anywhere, every place where there are disgruntled people. They say all of these people will join al-Qaeda and destroy the US if we don't have bases everywhere for our troops and for the CIA and other covert operatives to work out of.
Of course, all of this is bullshit. 9/11 was an inside job, brought to us to present us with the New Pearl Harbor, so that they could maintain and multiply our bases. And as long as 9/11 lies live, these bases will remain. And eat us alive.
All of this could be reversed quite easily. Tell us, Alternet, about the lies of 9/11. If other alternative media would do the same, we would have a groundswell of activism from at least the left, and maybe the middle, and even the msm would join in finally and report the biggest story of all time: the con job that is 9/11
You can do it, Alternet. Tell us the truth of 9/11. Break the conspiracy you have joined in keeping this story from us. Change the world........big time!
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» RE: But how else to fight al-Qaeda (and other fairytale nonsense we get from the official 9/11 story)?
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» getting a little sick of hearing that the Bushcons were too inept to pull it off.
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» RE: getting a little sick of...EXACTLY- that's what the PTB want us to think
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» You bring up a good point . . .
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Posted by: robchapman on Mar 10, 2009 4:42 AM
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North Korea would not exist in its present state without the threat of US forces south of the DMZ.
Our bases in Saudi Arabia are the direct reason for al Qaada's attack on us.
Other powers are secure without foreign bases.
Fantasy land is the place where people believe this huge military establishment is anything but a target.
It is time to renounce the empire and withdraw the troops.
Robert Chapman
Lansing, NY
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Posted by: MeyravLevine on Mar 10, 2009 5:34 AM
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In the same spirit, I think we can safely describe US as a military-financial complex with a country.
We are a rogue state. The state is not beholden to the people. In fact, we are probably the most propagandized people in the world.
Almost all of the news we consume is a corporate product crafted by a handful of corporations such as GE and Disney.
We have a double-digit unemployment rate yet people are still silently accepting the abuse of our trust and financial assets.
We are losing jobs to China/Indian even as the same Corporations receive funds from Federal stimulus package.
In a way, we deserve to be where we are today.
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Posted by: roli on Mar 10, 2009 6:23 AM
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Posted by: jleman on Mar 10, 2009 6:27 AM
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The point is, we had this great golf course. Many of the bases did. For the regular Japanese to pay for green fees to play golf, it is cheaper for them to fly to Hawaii or the States to play - unless they were "in" with the US military.
During my time at this base, I learned that sometimes the person running the show was the head enlisted man, and having shown many visiting brass, including congress people, a "good time", including photos for later "leverage", nothing was beyond doing if it would bring more power.
Main defense manufacturers weren't beyond graft and corruption. And, they were never charged nor were facts ever shown the light of day even though reported up through the chain of command. They put our military personnel at risk, and our country at peril, for their greed. Nothing, and I do mean nothing, was a limit on what they were capable of. And, it is all about the money and power.
Shut the bases down, and at any cost. The reason I say this, is that I know that even though they'll find some way to screw us, at least we won't be on the hook for that military base any longer. Starve the beast.
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Posted by: roli on Mar 10, 2009 6:28 AM
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 10, 2009 6:48 AM
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WE have the ability to see what is going on and address it through technological advances.The only real problem is what do we do with all the people returning to find other jobs in this economy? Perhaps some would like to stay and assimilate into these host countries instead. The Alps you say?
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Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Mar 10, 2009 7:19 AM
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Posted by: phist on Mar 10, 2009 7:49 AM
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Posted by: gar1948 on Mar 10, 2009 8:41 AM
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It is no wonder we spend twice as much on "defense" as the rest of the whole world combined. Why should the other countries waste their money on defense when we are taking care of it for them - and contributing nicely to their local economies at the same time.
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Posted by: PaulK on Mar 10, 2009 9:10 AM
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Mar 10, 2009 9:12 AM
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"They" in the "Defense Industry" will say that jobs are created and on the line. I will say that it is high time that we stop with the warfare mongering. As FDR said "the only thing we have to fear, is fear itself..." Well really, I believe that what we have to fear are those that continue to pursue war as the first option! Those that would shun diplomacy as some girlie-man option that we cannot afford to have! Those that believe this, are those bullies that know that this government, our government along with corporate allies - that have done enough wrong (propped up bullying dictators for example) in other countries to fear the wrath of those that have been wronged! Frankly, sounds like a guilty conscious to me!!
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Posted by: MAD JEF on Mar 10, 2009 9:21 AM
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LESS FEAR IN THE WORLD OF BEING ATTACKED BY THE U.S.A.
Right now most of the World lives in fear of what we're going to do as a Country. Standing Armies of more than a million, bases all over the World and contracts with several others only promote the idea that the USA is trying to become a World Empire.
Just like we did with the Native Americans.
'Profit and Plunder' has always been our motto. Nothing's changed.
If Obama was a leader, a TRUE LEADER, he'd have ordered Bush and Co. arrested three seconds after taking the oath of Office. He would have signed Executive Orders halting all our little insurgencies we have been funding, shut down the 'Black Ops' division of the military and created a pact of Non-Aggression with all Nations in the World.
Instead he's supported the greedy,shit on the needy and surrounded himself with the seedy. SO far, he's the same old politician bonehead as the dickhole he replaced.
The People need a LEADER not a Corpie asskisser. Sorry Big O, the things you could have done to cement yourself as a man of the people you failed to do. You helped the Corpie assholes first and not the people.
You still have time to change the tune being played in DC,but do you have the courage to stand against the system? You have the power but will you use it for the People or the Corporations? SO far, you've shown us the same face we've seen for decades ' Change to be Decieved With'
Stand up for the People not AIG!!! AIG won't revolt if they fold up,but the people will if they like it's the same shit diffrent day.
Listen to the people not your 'advisers' for they seek to 'slay Ceaser not glorify him' and we are much better back-up than any military,police force or national Guard. We just need to know you're one of us and put us first over the corpies.
Are you with us Big O????
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Posted by: hurricane hugo on Mar 10, 2009 9:38 AM
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» Yeah, but...
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» it's not a rhetorical question
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Posted by: willymack on Mar 10, 2009 9:37 AM
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Posted by: fearn on Mar 10, 2009 9:41 AM
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How it done, Google, 'Amoral America', free download.
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» its about the US COMPELLING foreign citizenry into COMPLIANCE
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Posted by: Archie1954 on Mar 10, 2009 10:11 AM
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» RE: Overseas bases?
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Mar 10, 2009 11:27 AM
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To make matter worse a very damaging report just came out on Pelosi regarding her abuse of airforce jets to be at her disposal. The airforce finally said enough is enough, that she was being abusive in her demand for aircraft on standby for her and her family. They were told in short that there would be a lot of disappointed people and a very angry Speaker.
Pull out from our overseas committments and dump Pelosi and we could save trillions!
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Posted by: HeatherC on Mar 10, 2009 11:30 AM
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1. A federal tax revolt. Pay your federal taxes to your home state. We can keep our own wheels turning at home while the idiots in Washington wise up and realize what they've been doing wrong. Face it, it's the money. We pay our taxes and they spend however they want. Cut off the money and they get the message.
2. Impose a ten-year moratorium on immigration. When they close the bases, about 2 million military personnel will be coming home and they will need jobs. Immigration will only increase competition in the civilian job market. Our population went from 250 million in 1990 to 300 million in 2005. That's 50 million in just 15 years!
It will take some tough decisions on our part, but this way it should be easy. Let the morons in Washington feel the pain for once.
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» Ofcourse, but you'll be accused of "racism" by the intellectual purists, academics, not workers.
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Posted by: Quannah on Mar 10, 2009 11:35 AM
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Close them all. Close them now.
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Posted by: Joey G on Mar 10, 2009 11:37 AM
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Ignoring America’s addiction to its hegemony, its desire for “forced projection” and the protection of vital energy resources, the most prominent obstacle I can think of is the now infamous military-industrial complex. In light of the current global economic crisis, how can the US even consider cutting spending in this area?
I ask because, in the Pentagon's budget, funds for military hardware are spread throughout as many states as possible. This strategy ensures that any member of congress who might consider voting against military spending would risk (or at least be accused of) putting a portion of his constituents out of work. That’s the last thing any of the perpetually campaigning congressmen would ever consider. In this current state of military Keynesianism that started during WWII, I don’t think it’s any secret that the billions and billions of dollars spent every year on military hardware is what is keeping our economy from totally collapsing at the moment.
In light of such circumstances, how can the Obama administration start closing any of our bases?
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Posted by: Will Miller on Mar 10, 2009 11:38 AM
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Our mercinary forces must have these overseas bases . . . ignore the call for closing these bases and further weakening our civil soldier military. [Ooooh, Tricky Dickie got rid of that group and Ronnie Baby built up on the mercenary military, my mistake, no civilian military here, all hail the Fourth Reich Wing.]
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Mar 10, 2009 11:41 AM
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✪ Obama, McCain and the Empire
Chalmers Johnson: No president has stood up to the military-industrial complex October 7, 2008
✪ The encirclement of Russia
Chalmers Johnson: "We have to back down unless we are looking for real confrontation with Russia" Pt 3 October 6, 2008
✪ Last days of the American Republic?
Chalmers Johnson: USA must cut back on military spending and build green infrastructure or face ruin Pt2 October 5, 2008
✪ Massive US military budget passed
Chalmers Johnson: US wrong to believe it can maintain both a military and civilian economy October 4, 2008
Mother Jones: Mission Creep - The map animation that opens this package uses Pentagon worldwide troop data from every half-decade since 1950, plus 2007, the latest year for which the data is available. These numbers are often fuzzy: Some deployments are classified, others are temporary, and just because the Defense Department claims 30 US troops in Indonesia last year doesn't mean 1,500 didn't pass through on training missions. Even so, the map, and the associated research, should give you a good feel for what the Pentagon is up to around the World.
Do you actually believe that THE OTHER BILLIONS OF GLOBAL CITIZENS LIKE BEING TREATED LIKE AMERICAN CHATTEL? ...do you really think we should blather our *thanks* for being Balkanized & WHINSEC'd into compliance to American corporations?
gee... thanks... if we thank you enough, will you stop paying your thugs to kick us to death?
perspective, people.
Perspective.
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Posted by: edgar1 on Mar 10, 2009 12:12 PM
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caution: many people will be out of work if military cut. military has been our "new deal" for decades; 9/11 and iraq saved w. bush from economic collapse for three years. these folks have skills but immediate alternate employment not feasible.nevertheless, if we dont slash federal spending way down, our dollar is dirt and the nation ends. (OK, that might be good. discuss that on another day).
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» To the contrary . . .
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Posted by: popham on Mar 10, 2009 7:18 PM
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American military bases around the globe.
For nine months, during my campaign as a third
party candidate for President of the U.S.,
I frequently debated and focused on this issue,
but no one was listening. These multiple bases
only serve to damage our image, create tension,
demoralize and anger decent Americans who
apparently are waking up to the gravity of this
issue. To close down even half of those bases,
would reduce political/military stress, bring
troops home and allow others to be re-deployed
to Iraq and Afghanistan, where they are needed.
The actual number of foreign bases at last
count was 823, not including the Middle East
hot spots. Indeed, it is overkill for the U.S.
to be maintaining these bases at such an
exhorbitant cost (billions). We like the idea
of pulling out of some of these countries and
just leave them our phone number in case they
have a problem.
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Posted by: HeatherC on Mar 10, 2009 9:01 PM
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We the American people have been setting examples for the world long enough. Now we're hurting. And when our economy fails, the rest of the world's economies fail too. And yet they still scream at us for not doing enough.
Well, they do have a point. We should shake down every politician in Washington. Democrats, Republicans, everyone. No exceptions. We fight to defend the USA, not wars for profit. If we value democracy above all else, then let's use the rights we have to change things. We don't owe the world our toil and sweat or our tax dollars, only our fair share. And when we have a crisis here at home, that crisis becomes our utmost priority. No one else will fix it for us.
We don't need military bases on foreign soil. The world does not need our presence to maintain order. No foreign enemy ever attacked the US without regretting it later on. Our enemies in World War II learned a hard lesson when they attacked us at Pearl Harbor: never disrespect the isolationist policy of a country that can make you regret it.
We're already number one. We have nothing more to prove.
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