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Are We Being Too Complacent About the Economy Crumbling Around Us?

By Tana Ganeva, AlterNet. Posted March 9, 2009.


Our readers had a lot to say about a poll that shows one-third of Americans aren't worried about losing their jobs.

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A New York Times headline Friday horrifyingly screamed "651,000 Jobs Lost in February: Rate Rises to 8.1%, Highest in 25 Years."

And according to the Bureau of Labor statistics, almost all sectors of the economy are affected: retail dropped 40,000 jobs over the past month, and 608,000 since December 2007; jobs in leisure and hospitality fell by 33,000; the financial sector lost 44,000 jobs in February, and on and on.

Yet, according to an article recently published on AlterNet, one-third of Americans aren't worried about losing their jobs.

Do they know something we don't know? Is the stat a testament to that vaunted American optimism? Or have Americans been fattened into complacency by years of relative wealth (for some)?

Our readers had much to say about the shocking statistic:

davy writes that it's hardly surprising that people go into a deep state of denial in difficult times. "As a retired therapist, I can safely say, that in my experience, denial is what people are best at."

Many readers agreed, arguing that Americans are overly -- and unwisely -- complacent:

Jay Randal writes:

Years ago, I worked for Builders Square in Florida, a rival to Home Depot, and at that time I realized the company was going downhill into bankruptcy. I told some of my fellow employees to start looking for other jobs. A few of them laughed at me and said their jobs were secure. I was proved right, when all the Builders Square stores closed in Florida, and everybody lost their jobs.

Some Americans live in a bubble of unreality and refuse to believe the economy is sliding into another depression. They will continue to believe their jobs are secure until the very day they receive pink slips.

kegbot1 points out that aversion to reality is a characteristic shared by all Americans.

Virtually all Americans live in a bubble of unreality. It could be the sine qua non of Americanism.

But some readers point out that complacency will end when there is no more food on the table:

More specifically, no one is asking the question of what happens when tens of millions of adult Americans with no serious job prospects at all, and can't feed their families, start to turn to rage -- in the best-armed country in the world.

I bet they think about worst-case scenarios at the White House (perhaps this gives Obama night sweats), but no one is talking about the possible conclusion of all of this.

Maybe Americans will go like sheep to live beneath the underpasses and quietly expire out of sight and mind of the elite.

But maybe not.

and_abottleofrum has a different interpretation for why many Americans idly stand by as the economy crashes around them: an abiding faith in the God of capitalism:

For some Americans, saying the economy is going down is tantamount to saying God is dead. The infallibility of the economy in the good old U S of A is an article of faith for many people. To think the economy is mortal, and now mortally wounded, is too much of a blow to the basic assumptions on which they've led their lives and planned out their futures for them to handle.

Blue Heron agrees:

I think maybe the problem is that Americans have venerated corporations for so long, with slick fantasies of stocks, shiny new cars and bonuses, that even now they are afraid of criticizing that culture. I get the feeling that the denial is all about protecting this delusional little fantasy.

Well here's some reality, folks. I was laid off from Apple five months ago, and not even as a full time employee, but a "permatemp." Never heard of that term? Then I'd really suggest you do your homework. I had worked for Crapple for almost three years, full time with no benefits, and I did hold a high-profile position. They laid me off on a Sunday, then sent back my office equipment, most of which I had to purchase, by FedEx and all broken.

Because Apple misclassified me as "self-employed," I did not qualify for unemployment benefits. Remember, I worked on-site, full time and was managed and told what hours to come in. What we are dealing with here is a total denial and erosion of workers' rights that has been building up for the past two decades and now has reached crisis point. If we all stay in denial, we will be denied everything, and the CEOs will still be laughing all the way to the bank. Hilarious, isn't it? Still feel like bowing down to the Man?


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I hate to say I told you so but ...
Posted by: skoog5600 on Mar 9, 2009 12:52 AM   
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It's not time for gloating, nor really appropriate I guess, but I have been saying for a long time that Americans are too complacent and lazy.

What I want to know is why aren't people taking to the streets and up in arms about any of this?

I believe that the US is a sick country, think of it as one big alcoholic in denial. Well reality is rearing its ugly head, and like an alcoholic, to realize how sick, must hit bottom. Well folks, you're not quite at the bottom yet, but it's in your sights. Then and only then will any meaningful change take place.

In the meantime, hang on it's gonna get uglier. If you've ever seen an alcoholic in the throes of denial just before the bottom it's not a pretty sight.

Skoog

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» Three Questions Posted by: fever
» You say alkie denial, I say... Posted by: pandahead
» Excellent Point Posted by: fever
» RE: US is a sick country Posted by: MobileSucks
A depression will be good for Americans
Posted by: LMNOP on Mar 9, 2009 1:09 AM   
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It may be painful, but a depression will be good for America in the end. Americans lack character. We're like the spoiled kids of rich parents. It's time to get a little more real. Think of this as a wake-up call with a two-by-four. A country where nearly fifty percent voted for George Bush in 2004 needs that. Let's live more like Iraqis for a while. I don't know if there's any hope for this depraved, hyper-consumptive culture, but if there is, this may be it. What else would have slowed us down short of ecological disaster? This is kinder.

We just went through an ice storm in the Midwest with protracted power outages. It forced us to life like nineteenth century people. Burned firewood. Lost a lot of food. No showers for days. No toilets. That was helpful. We talked more ( no computers, no TV). How's that bad?

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The Chicken Little Effect
Posted by: Perry Logan on Mar 9, 2009 2:40 AM   
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Another cause for the public's lassitude about the economic tsunami is the media's tendency to scare them about something new almost every day.

The right-controlled media exists to frighten people. Terror alerts, bird flu, WMDs, foreigners militant gays--you name it, they use fear to sell it. Fearmongering has become the background music of our lives.

In the context of being so thoroughly and consistently lied to about everything, people have lost their natural fear, even when a real problem comes along. It's a Chicken Little situation.

The sheer magnitude of the economic collapse could be another factor.

The Great Republican Depression

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» Look who drives MSM Posted by: weathered
Why no mention of the relevant truth?
Posted by: -matti on Mar 9, 2009 3:57 AM   
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This article preports to be a "re-cap" of the responses to the initial article, yet it gives scant mention to the major rational argument against the thesis of that same article.

The article -in a presumedly well-intentioned effort to show people the seriousness of the situation- describes the 32% of poll-respondees who feel secure in their jobs as "crazy".

Many objections to this characterization fell along the lines of:

If even in the Depression, unemployment only hovered around 30%, why would the portion of the population who were concerned about their job prospects EVER exceed 30-or-so% in such a poll?

If only 3 in ten people were without employment -even in the Depression of the 30s- why should it be in anyway surprising that merely 32% of people are afraid of such a situation NOW?

The article demonstrates proof contrary from its thesis -yet seems unconcerned by this.

This follow-up hides the responses which point out this flaw.

The question that this presents is:

Are the editors of Alternet simply delusional with fear, or are the purposefully fear-mongering?

And if the latter, can we possibly believe that such actions conceal a good purpose?

I for one would rather welcome constructive talk about what is to be done -minus all the "freaking-out", please.

-matti.

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» Your argument is a nonsequitur Posted by: truthlover
observer
Posted by: davy on Mar 9, 2009 4:14 AM   
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As a counselor for many years I would say that denial is what people are best at. A change is on the way, THANK GOD.

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I work in an nursing home...
Posted by: olderworker on Mar 9, 2009 4:15 AM   
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...and while yes, it's possible that my job, too, could disappear, it's less likely than that of someone who works in, say, an electronics store.

Not that anyone would WANT my job, but it is a bit more secure than most.

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Slanted and dishonest
Posted by: thweems on Mar 9, 2009 6:00 AM   
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Alternet is really being intellectually dishonest here. There was much more substantial debate around the original article than this piece admits to. Many readers vociferously criticized not only the economic premise (that the unemployment rate will exceed 68%) but especially the philosophical premise (that fear is a healthy, normal behavior and to not fear is to be "crazy"). The editors act as if none of this happened and everyone just blithely buys into the hysteria that is being pushed here. Alternet has clearly adopted an agenda of fear-mongering and sensationalism around the economic situation rather than constructive problem-solving.

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» "army wife" slut brains? Posted by: Karina
» Simmer down Posted by: Karina
» RE: "army wife" slut brains? Posted by: WYGunston
» Guns don't kill people. People kill people ! Posted by: LaughingModerateIndependent
» Thank you WYGunston. Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
» Worry is the wrong word Posted by: Karina
Most folks get conflicting messages
Posted by: inanaturallight on Mar 9, 2009 6:20 AM   
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for example my niece employed by a non NYC branch of a NYC based big-box upscale retailer, who's supervisors kept telling her the business was doing well and she would have full time employment as long as she wanted it, and she fell for it hook, line, and sinker. I told her they were lying to her and to start looking for another job, which she did. Lo and behold they had an all-employee meeting and said the business was in trouble about 2 weeks later, and within another two weeks she had been let go. Even now our "leaders" act as if it's just a problem of freeing up credit and then the economy will take off like a banshee.
Part of the problem of American workers feeling comfortable in their jobs, the delusion, is one created by their employers. Apparently they didn't understand the meaning of changing from "personnel" to "human resources", and don't realize their function is now just to be used up like any other resource that business needs.
For myself, I'm in the same boat as another commenter... I suffer from no illusions about the time to come, but I will get by, partly because the current crisis has been in the wind for years and I acted in anticipation of it rather than in denial.

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» Yep, Me Too. Posted by: FAITHCARR
A Test
Posted by: ceti on Mar 9, 2009 7:32 AM   
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The big question is whether America is too soulless and crippled a society to collectively address its own woes.

In countries like Argentina where the economy did collapse, financial crisis gave way to a flowering of culture, organizing, and activism.

What will we see in the US? Every man for himself? Dog eat dog? It's hard to see whether the human spirit is still strong enough to overcome the complacency, inertia, and constant propagandizing from hate media that has seemingly innured Americans to care for their fellow man.

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Some are, some aren't. Unlike Europe, it's too individualist out here.
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 9, 2009 7:51 AM   
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And before some idiot such as "Beck" or some rightwinger does another "personal responsibility blah-blah-blah" bullshit talk, let's get one thing clear. I've actually witnessed more hard working Americans who are yet punished despite their valiant efforts while motherfuckers such as Donald Trump and Bernie Madoff are "free" despite their crimes. Until we the people on Main Street actually unite and quit belittling one another the way the "Joe the Plumbers" and the "Obamabots" as some call them are doing, I'm afraid this country will face the next GD.

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Americans Can't Even Speak Honestly To Issues
Posted by: desidid on Mar 9, 2009 8:49 AM   
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like illegal immigration without someone secure in their life style screaming some epithet at them. When these road work projects begin I want a real accounting of how many sub-contractors are hiring illegal immigrants rather than citizens for the jobs. I don't care if they come from Russia or Mexico, I'm tired of politics that hurt the most vunerable Americans. And I'm tired of Americans who don't care as long as it isn't them.

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THIS STIMULUS PLAN NEEDS TO CREATE JOBS, HELP SMALL BUSINESSES HIRE PEOPLE NOT PENALIZE THEM
Posted by: joeocho88 on Mar 9, 2009 9:10 AM   
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WHEN THINK ABOUT ALL THE JOBS I EVER HELD IN MY LIFE, MOST WERE FROM SMALL FAMILY BUSINESSES BUT WHEN THE RECESSION CYCLES WOULD HIT, I WOULD LOSE MY JOB AND THEN HAVE TO GET BACK UP ON MY FEET AGAIN.

THIS IS OK WHILE YOU ARE YOUNG BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO REBOUND SO WELL AFTER I HAVE BEEN OVER THE AGE OF 40 SOMETHING.

THE DEPRESSION BEGAN FOR ME IN 2000 WHEN I SAW THE MEMO ON THE CEO'S DESK WHILE I WAS CHECKING HIS OFFICE FOR COFFEE POTS LEFT ON,ETC. --IT WAS PART OF MY JOB. THE MEMO WAS LEFT OUT IN PUBLIC VIEW AND I IMMEDIATELY STARTED LOOKING FOR ANOTHER JOB. UNSUCCESSFULLY, I MIGHT ADD.

THE LAST TIME I HAD A REAL JOB, I NOTICED THAT THE EMPLOYER WAS HAVING TO PAY BIG TAXES ON ME TO HIRE ME.

THIS IS NOT RIGHT!

THERE ARE APPARENTLY TAXES ABOVE AND BEYOND THE UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE AND THE FICA AND SOCIAL SECURITY TAX.

AND WHILE THEY ARE NOT DESIGNED TO PENALIZE AN EMPLOYER FROM HIRING ANYONE, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS.

I AM HANGING ON NOW WITH A PART-TIME JOB THAT COULD END ANY MINUTE. I HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE BUT IF I CAN'T PAY THE OBSCENELY HIGH PROPERTY TAXES, I LOSE IT.

SO FAR, ALL I HAVE SEEN THE STIMULUS DO IS REPLACE THE MONEY IN THE BANKING SYSTEM THAT HAS BEEN EMBEZZLED, GAMBLED. WASTED AND DESTROYED. THEY CAN'T TELL YOU THE FULL EXTENT OF THE PROBLEM ORYOU WOULD YANK YOUR MONEY OUT AND NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH ONE OF THOSE BIG CROOKED MEGABANKS AGAIN.

WE WERE RUNNING ON EMPTY DUE TO THE CROOKS ON WALL STREET, THE INTERNATIONAL BANKING CARTEL AND THE BANKSTERS IN THE MEGABANKS... THERE WERE NO FUNDS WHATSOEVER LEFT. THEY WERE RUNNING ON ARROGANT BLUFF AND SMOKE AND MIRRORS AND NO ACTUAL ASSETS TO BACK THEM UP.

WEALTHY PEOPLE LIKE TO GAMBLE. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONSIDERED A "GENTLEMAN'S PASTTIME" BUT YOU CAN GET ADDICTED TO IT. AND WHEN YOU RUN OUT OF YOUR OWN MONEY AND YOU HAVE ACCESS TO UNILMITED FUNDS, WELL, YOU DO THE MATH AND THE PSYCHOLOGY...

THE OBSCENE COCKROACK BERNIE MADOFF WAS JUST A SYMPTOM OF A PROBLEM THAT HAS BEEN ONGOING SINCE CARTER WAS PRESIDENT --AT LEAST.

THAT'S THE REAL STORY OF WHERE'S THE MONEY AND WHO IS BEING BAILED OUT AND WHY.

THAT IS THE REAL REASON THEY ARE BAILING OUT THEIR RICH BOY CRONIES, BECAUSE IT IS NOT ONLY THE GENTELEMANLY THING TO DO LIKE THEY LEARNED IN THOSE ELITE PREP SCHOOLS, BUT THEY DO NOT WANT PEOPLE TO LOSE TRUST IN THE BANKING SYSTEM AND START A RUN ON THE BANKS THAT NOT EVEN FDIC COULD HANDLE.


BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHERE ARE THE JOBS?

THEY ARE SO BUSY TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE FINDING OUT WHAT IS REALLY WRONG WITH OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM AND TRYING TO KEEP THE BANKS, ETC. AFLOAT THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT IT IS TAX DOLLARS THAT FINANCE THIS.

AND WHEN NOBODY IS WORKING, NOBODY CAN PAY TAXES AND THEN IT ALL COLLAPSES.

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"Cooking the books" with temp labor.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Mar 9, 2009 9:16 AM   
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"Blue Heron" brought up a good point when he spoke of being "misclassified" as self employed. I wonder how many other "permanet temps" (I was one for two years at a large entertaiment company and I knew people who were for SEVEN years ...) that have been laid off are not counted in the unemployment figures because they do not qualify for govt. benefits?

There are one hell of a lot of "temps" out there working on payroll full time, so if a large percentage of them are called "self employed," their layoffs would not affect the unemployment percentage number adversely, as they would if they were properly counted. Is this just another way that the government is "cooking the books" on unemployment?

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Hope isn't just a town in Arkansas.
Posted by: wildbill on Mar 9, 2009 9:34 AM   
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Americans tend toward the line "Hope springs eternal," from British poet Alexander Pope. Russians have a similar but rather more realistic saying, "Hope is the last to die."

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» You need fear and hope - push and pull. Posted by: and_abottleofrum
I was calling this a Depression three weeks ago.
Posted by: Ghoulman on Mar 9, 2009 9:37 AM   
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And I posted 'It's a Depression!!!" here...

... it got a rating of 2.

Today, Depression doesn't sound so crazy does it? Why? Because the progressive press have been saying so, even the mainstream has breathed the word lightly.

But we are people who actually go out, onto the Net, and find facts. The majority of people have to depend on the MSM. They are doomed to ignorance!

Job loses are already at the rate Washington projected for the end of this year. No jobs, no economy. Depression. It will happen soon, remember we are already in a recession with numbers as bad as they've ever been.

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Wolfowitz, Israel's warlord
Posted by: weathered on Mar 9, 2009 9:40 AM   
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put in charge of the world bank!

How sick can we get?

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HELL YES WE ARE!!!!!!
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Mar 9, 2009 10:44 AM   
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I know,like me, several million os you wrote,called or spoke directly to your congresspreson and told them 'No Way' on bailing out Wall St. Did they listen?/ No a chance in hell. Why? The folks that got the first 700 billion use it to buy politicians.

Now Big O has dumped even more down the greed crapper. Did anyone see any real personal economic stimulus?? Not me,or my neighbor, or anyone that made under $50,000 a year.

If their going to bail out the Super Greedy then they had better start bailing out the 'Super Needy' We do the work that gets them their wages. Actually all of government is paid by us. So maybe we need to reduce their funding. By not paying taxes.

Either way something has to change because there's more and more dispair falling on the heads of the people and we're feeling backed into a corner. We all know what happens if you back someone into a corner! There just happens to be 150 million plus backed into a corner and we're not going to put up with this crap for long.

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Healthcare
Posted by: archivist on Mar 9, 2009 10:56 AM   
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Mu mom has been a nurse for 15 years now. I thought her job was very secure but she was just laid off.

The fat is going to be trimmed in EVERY industry.

I got laid off in the tech bubble. The company I was working for held feel good meetings and extravegant parties right up until we were all laid off.

You should have seen the looks on people's faces in that room. No one saw it comming.

Afterwords I didn't bother getting a "good" job anymore. I'm also a professional line cook so I just adjusted my life to living on lower wages. In this "downturn" I will not be laid off until the company closes. Im just as happy as when I was making three times as much by the way.

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» RE: Healthcare Posted by: Blue Heron
» RE: Healthcare Posted by: Outsidetheboxlookingin
» RE: Amen Posted by: Quist
ALTERNET needs to do a story on home title transfer...
Posted by: chance garden on Mar 9, 2009 11:22 AM   
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Ever wonder if your monthly mortgage payment is REALLY going to pay off you home? I have my doubts...with the Madoff and Sanford scandals and all the fraud in the financial and banking industries, I'm begining to wonder about WHO really owns home mortgages and how "clear" ownership titles have become...

...Someone needs to do a report on how title transfer fraud has infected the whole system...How can thousands of investors own a tiny bit of a home? Isn't this what happens when investors buy into tranches of mortgage backed securities?

...If the tranches are toxic isn't title toxic also? Is this the ugly truth, that deregulation of the mortgage industry TOTALLY screwed up the title transfer process on millions of homes.

...The loan servicers are reluctant to inform you just who owns you loan, why? Maybe THEY don't know and are trying to hide that fact from you. Who really owns your home? Maybe noone and everyone (the government).

...I suspect the title transfer process is significantly screwed up and that's part of the reason for the recent ban on foreclosures...I could be wrong but would someone please give me straight talk on WHO really OWNS the mortgages?

...It is not the loan originator who sold it to get if off their books, it is not the loan servicers who only provide a service.

...Is part of the reason that this assets are toxic because, in the rush to make fee profits,the proper documents that are required to make the transfer of title legal were not performed in legal way?

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» A person with a deed of trust Posted by: billwald
Confidence is the word!
Posted by: 2thepoint on Mar 9, 2009 11:59 AM   
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We are in the middle of an economic melt down and a President who is apparently isnt strong enough to control an out of control Speaker of the House, and can't make cabinet appointments who can get the job done.

Read an excellent article in Time Mag about Obama's biggest problem - Pelosi. She is pressuring him and he is caving in.. Clinton or McCain would have put her in her place.

So we all should be worried bacause the ship is out of control and no one is steering it!

Anyone have confidence in our government?

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Where and when has unemployment gone over 33%?
Posted by: billwald on Mar 9, 2009 12:16 PM   
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Congress will not lose their jobs. Most in the Armed Forces and government employees will not lose their job. people on welfare, retirement, and dope sellers will not lose their jobs. Half the economy is under the table.

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I notice even on this forum that there are some folks who are in denial about reality.
Posted by: WYGunston on Mar 9, 2009 2:26 PM   
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If someone posts an ugly truth, he or she is bound to get attacked viciously for it. To those of you out there who are honest, don't give up.

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safe jobs: government, schools, public utilities, etc.
Posted by: frantic1971 on Mar 9, 2009 2:46 PM   
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I can believe that 1/3 of Americans have good reason to feel that there jobs will always be there. The reason? The majority of these people work in either governmental or quasi-governmental jobs. They are either Federal or state employees, or some other governmental entity. Or they work for schools. Or they work for the Post Office or a Public utility of some kind. VERY hard to dump people with these employers!

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People...
Posted by: Pirate1 on Mar 9, 2009 3:27 PM   
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here have had it so good for so long that they truly can't imagine how bad this can get... give it time... the streets will be filled with people once this thing really starts to bite the ones who still think they are somehow immune.

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Complacency????????
Posted by: wormfarmer on Mar 9, 2009 3:44 PM   
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The Citizens of this country should be up in ARMS about this state of affairs. I have a hard time believing that we are NOT verging on complete unrest. Our politicians are complicit in this developing depression, who de-regulated our financial industries, bailed out the same, don't apply strict guidelines to these "loans"?, we as a people have the CONSTITUTIONAL power and responsibility to succeeding generations that have been left with mounting debt, a questionable future, we have the power of recall in our elections, are these politicians worth our time and money? Not if this is the result. From Obama to the podunk representative in the house. This is what we can do, HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE!

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heh
Posted by: theone23ord on Mar 9, 2009 4:50 PM   
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Depressions are ALWAYS engineered.
Always.
iamthewitness.com

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And While The Pink Slips Are Being Handed Out...
Posted by: HeatherC on Mar 9, 2009 6:25 PM   
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...a nation waits for a miracle.

This tax-filing season, my husband and I are paying the combined $60,000 we owe in federal taxes to our home state of Wisconsin. We refuse to pay another dime in federal taxes because we feel the money would be put to better use here at home.

We will no longer pay for the War in Iraq, bailing out banks that continue to lose money (we do business with a credit union) or for pork projects that are tacked on to spending bills just to get congressmen to vote for them. Wisconsin can take the money or leave it. If the IRS doesn't like the idea, which we're sure they won't, then we'll pack up the kids and move to Canada, where my husband is from.

We'd love to stay here in a country that has been through so much and remained the #1 country to live in. It's not just the crooked CEOs and politicians that made us consider leaving, it is also the lack of resolve on the part of my fellow Americans. We were ecstatic at the election of a new president, especially after eight years of watching our respect throughout the world dwindle and our jobs disappear. We got a raw deal and we accepted it. We watched as our kids were sent off to war by a president whose only motive was personal gain. Now we have a president who has failed to live up to his promises, who is giving away our federal tax dollars to failing banks, a congress that is slow to act and an economy that is on the brink of collapse. So where do we go from here?

If we decide to leave for Canada, it will be a one way trip. We'd like to be more optimistic, but pride is now a foreign concept to us. Our kids are still growing up, so they won't notice much of a difference. I can only hope that you, the American people, will one day throw off the blinds and finally see the truth, and act. You live in a democracy and in a democracy, it's the people who call the shots. You can launch a federal tax revolt like we're doing or you can wait and hope for a recovery that may not come any time soon. It will take more than a protest or a flurry of letters to your congressman. It will take a revolution. Good luck.

Sincerely,
Heather Czerniak
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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The other day an acquaintance asked
Posted by: legacyshooter on Mar 9, 2009 7:59 PM   
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me if I was concerned about losing my job. I told her no, not even a little bit. She chided me then telling me I should be, that our jobs could disappear any moment now and then what? I laughed and told her it sounded like she was worried about the whole thing. She responded she is worried and I should be too.

The premise of this article is we are too complacent. I disagree with the compacent idea. I am not complacent, just not worried. Of course I have been through this before though probably not one as bad as this one will get. But to get all worked up serves no useful purpose.

I am fortunate in a lot of ways. Almost 41 years ago I nearly died so I am thankful for morphine and bad aim. I was tempted at one point some years ago to open an IRA or 401K or some such as that and then realized it would all be gone in a flash if things went south so I didn't enroll so I haven't watched my retirement fund disappear in a cloud of speculator's smoke. I have been very lucky to have been born with intelligence and perserverance. My career has changed as often as some folks change their sox. The job I have now is a job I have been in longer by a factor of 3 than any other job I have ever had. Some call me restless. I call me irresponsible.

Am I complacent about what is coming? No. Am I worried? No. Will I survive intact? Maybe but so what if I don't? Life is for the living, not the fearful, not the hesitant.

I come in to work every day expecting there not to be a job here. I do my job and several other people's jobs every day from 4PM to midnight or 1AM or 2AM or whenever the job is done for the day and then I go home, have a glass of milk and a bagel sandwich and watch TV or work on my web site for a few hours and get into bed by 4 or 5AM so I can do it again.

My wife just got a new puppy to go with our 2-1/2 year old dog so he wouldn't be lonely when we are not around. Turns out the puppy had one eye that didn't form so she is blind in that eye. Think she worries about what is coming? Not for a minute. She hears me stirring at around noon when I get up and comes in the bedroom wiggling and squirming and grinning like a treed coon. She is so happy to see me and to be alive for another day she doesn't have time to dwell on the fact that she only has one eye.

Her big brother, the older dog doesn't know she is blind in one eye, hell he doesn't know what day it is. He is happy just getting to see his "mama" every day and being able to take a nap in her lap evenings.

Am I concerned? Not even a little bit. If this job goes away something else will turn up. If nothing turns up and I lose my house and car and furniture I still have that half-blind puppy to show me what really matters.

You young folks need to stop worrying about that bogeyman in the dark corner. If you need something to really worry about what about keeping your weight in line and eating right and getting exercise and drinking lots of fluids so that you can physically respond to the world as it presents itself to you. If you need something to worry about, think about the children at St Jude's for a second. Or at the Shriner's hospital. Or at the cancer hospital in your town. Or... well, you get my drift. And if you don't, not a problem that one-eyed puppy and her big brother keep me happy.

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Please...most of America did not even protest the illegal Iraq war...
Posted by: Quist on Mar 9, 2009 9:29 PM   
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...or the loss of their constitutional rights and freedoms. They also did not protest against all the illegal actions of the last administration.

How many Americans do you think are indoctrinated and brainwashed into irrational and illogical ideologies anyway? IMO, we will not see any real progressive revolution until the majority start thinking rationally, reasonably, logically and critically. We maybe waiting for awhile.

"Shepherds would not exist if there were not sheep." ~Quist

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Reasons for optimism
Posted by: liz-at-blackrose on Mar 10, 2009 2:44 AM   
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Yeah, things are bad, but that's been the case for "the little guy" for a long time. Maybe people are pleased that the fat cats are finally getting the takedown they deserve. Despite the pain, I think a lot of good can come from the current situation. People aren't buying cars? Good -- cleaner air and hopefully better public transit for everyone! Home prices plummeting? Bad news for speculators and people who bought more than they can afford, but neutral for those who have been waiting for prices to come down to a level commensurate with average incomes. Less greed and dog-eat-dog focus on making money and consuming crap? More good news! The dawning realization that maybe capitalism isn't the be-all and end-all and a little "socialism" (e.g., in areas like health care) could do most of us some good? That might be the best news of all.

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Lessons Learned
Posted by: wormfarmer on Mar 10, 2009 4:03 PM   
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"Those who ignore the lessons of the past, are doomed to repeat them."

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Well...
Posted by: Longdream on Mar 10, 2009 8:28 PM   
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One-third of Americans probably won't lose their jobs.

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jacked
Posted by: eres on Mar 10, 2009 8:42 PM   
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In response to Blue Heron's account of his lay-off from Apple. I can't exactly top that, but I was laid off, by phone on the day I chose to work from home -- down with the flu no less. For 6 months preceding my lay-off I worked an average of 60 hours per week. For 3 of those months I worked 7 days per week without taking a single day off, averaging approximately 80 hours per week...only paid for 40 hours, of course. I also delivered my company's only profitable project this year. My employer demonstrated his gratitude by giving me 3 comp days for my efforts and then let me go -- by phone, while I was home sick with the flu.

After 10 years in the tech industry trying to not only advance my career, but to thrive in the tech business reporting to some of the most ill-qualified, mediocre individuals, I have washed my hands of it and started my own business.

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» RE: jacked Posted by: Hecate_magika
Elastic "We"
Posted by: talkville on Mar 11, 2009 3:28 AM   
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Start with, oh, say, Bill Gates or Warren Buffet or Branson, or any number of "celebrities"...

Working from there downwards in the social order, it's almost certain that the luxury of complacency is in direct proportion to the conditions of existence of the individual or family.

That little word 'we' has the most astonishing powers of expansion and contraction!!

Pretty difficult to indulge in complacency when:

You get sick and have no insurance.

You lose your house.

You lose your job.


And, of course, when you lose your life, then it's somebody else's turn to think about it.

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