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By Tana Ganeva, AlterNet. Posted February 24, 2009.


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Twitter, like many technologies that have come before, is either hailed as a glorious revolution in communication or slammed as a destroyer of intelligent public discourse. When one of the more popular Twitter streams consists of Ashton Kutcher's illiterate dispatches from boozie Oscar parties, it's easy to side with the naysayers.

But in its relatively brief existence Twitter has also exploded into a political discussion forum, a venue for on-the-scene reporting, and a place for activist organizing (not to mention an opportunity for tech-challenged Republican politicians to hilariously embarrass themselves).

In a piece recently published on AlterNet, Alexander Zaitchik tears down the hype surrounding Twitter, critiquing news outlets that gush over the site in order to seem "with-it". Zaitchik argues that Twitter promotes a mindless narcissism that further corrodes our already dumbed-down public culture: "It may not be true that only morons are drawn to Twitter, but everyone on Twitter sounds like a moron."

The piece, unsurprisingly, drew a lot of criticism from AlterNet's Twitter followers. Zaitchik's take on the site also prompted tons of comments on AlterNet.

Many of the article's Twitter critics say that Zaitchik misunderstands how the site works (in under 140 characters, of course):

Winning_mark writes: "Actually shocking how shallow AlterNet scratches the Twitter surface. So very much ignored."

Bigmind reminds Zaitchik of the wise words of Marshall McLuhan: "Zaitchik needs to reread McCluhan's "The Medium is the Massage" I'd say more but I'm running out of characters!"

The idea that Zaitchik misses the point by taking individual tweets as the sum of the whole network is echoed by chutry in a longer blog post to which he links on Twitter:

As others have pointed out, articles that complain about Twitter typically focus on the content of individual tweets rather than focusing on those tweets in a specific context. It would be similar to denigrating conversation by pulling out individual pieces of dialogue rather than seeing how conversation involves a variety of practices: connecting with others, sharing ideas, linking to blog posts, participating in mini-memes, whatever.

Many AlterNet commenters also disagree with Zaitchik's critical take on the site:

Gazooks writes that Twitter is only the latest mass culture trend wrongly accused by critics of dooming civilization:

In the hierarchy of threats, this seems more than a bit overstated. The hula hoop was considered a useless, mindless, mass threat by some as is nearly everything that achieves fad status.

Is it startling that so many lives are dominated in a schoolgirl continuum of the trivial and mundane, and hasn't that always been the case?

People need connection and this seems to enable an expression of what moves them on a basic level.

jnelson4765 agrees:

Twitter is not some secular Antichrist come to steal the souls of the creative and replace them with slack-jawed moron doppelgangers communicating with grunts and moans. It's a public graffiti wall, where you can leave notes to your friends, or see what other people are up to.

Are some people taking it way too far? Yes. Does it require this kind of concentrated vitriol? Is it really a sign of the Idiocracy apocalypse, or is it just IRC done with text messages? IRC can be just as stupid, banal, and far more offensive than anything Twitter puts out, but it's still used by a lot of computer people to coordinate projects and get tech support.


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Total, Arrogant, Priviledged, and Annoying Idiocy.
Posted by: -matti on Feb 25, 2009 3:44 AM   
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I'm glad Alternet does this "Review of Threads"-type article. If only for the space it gives to "comment on the comments" with the boon of a little perspective.

The "Twitter" article is a particularly useful example.

Because what was most evident from the resultant comments was the complete idiocy, self-absorbtion, and unconscious priviledge of the average "twit" (Twitter-user) and therefore the -seemingly- significant proportion of Internetters and Alternetters.

The giant flood of responses was in itself annoying and demoralizing. As it aptly demostrated how much more impassioned the Internets is about its self-conscious issues than it is on issues of substance.

Also, the general lack of any rational argument in the comments -as in based on something the person you are arguing with ACTUALLY POSITED, as opposed to some stock "argument" you have absorbed- proved the Author's point about the limited potential of such limited forms of communication as well as -if not better- than his Article did.

Finally, the complete head-in-the-sand, la-la-la-I-can't-hear-you, conscious ignorance of the Internets' -and therefore Twitter's- TOTAL DEPENDENCE on an underlying framework of reliable electricity, advanced technology, expensive consumer equipment, AND the governmental actions underlying the spread of all of these, demonstrated the truth of Twitter's appeal to a sort of new "Idiot Elite".

Double Ugh for a double dose of this pointless and distracting nonsense.

I'm looking forward to the responses to this post.

Bonus Points to any genius who employs the following predictible arguments:

1. You're on the Internets TOO, you hypocrite!

2. Twitter does some good...pause...such as...*stupid example*.

3. New forms can't be understood by outdated fogies like you! (I'm 29, and a 10-year student of technological and ecological systems -including the Internets- both emergent and resilient).

After this, can we get back to discussing things that matter (sans all the folks who can only discuss what really doesn't matter -I presume)?


-matti.

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» Agreed. But, it certainly does matter. Posted by: profoflitandtrout
» Totally. Posted by: -matti
» on the Internets TOO? Posted by: charlieparisek
» RE: Ha. As I assume that's a joke. Posted by: PirateJesus
Thanks for the shout-out but...
Posted by: jgrossnas on Feb 25, 2009 6:06 AM   
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The 2nd paragraph you quoted from me ("Twitter is an evolutionary step...") actually came from another user (DrXyzzy) and not my previous post.

For anyone who's hating on Twitter, remember the old saw, "don't knock it 'til you try it."

Since a lot of MSM are writing a lot about the Twitter phenomenon right now, it's getting a lot of interest and attention so there's bound to be lots of backlash (i.e. the original Alternet article about this). That's a shame because there really is value to it if you use it the right way (like so many things in life).

BTW, the 'Dalai Lama' on Twitter turned out to be a fake.

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I'll ask the *same question* again:
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Feb 25, 2009 6:29 AM   
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doesn't anybody enjoy being alone & in their own headspace anymore?

seriously.

do these Twitter users ever desire to just *be alone & think*?

who can keep a freaking chain of thoughts in their heads when there is a steady stream of minutiae of whatever drifts through the heads of everyone else they know?

I'm reminded of the 'shells' from Fahrenheit 451, of the wife who had a steady chatter of nonsense in her home... & was patently incapable of independent, considered thought based on reliable information from validated sources...

sure, Twitter could be important streaming information.
but it mostly causes me to wonder if anyone is comfortable being *alone* anymore.

much like being under constant surveillance, will a near future's xenophobic/agoraphobic societies one day only feel comfortable & protected when under Big Brother's gaze?


perspective, people.


Perspective.

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Exactly WHAT is the Twitter revenue model
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Feb 25, 2009 6:33 AM   
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that would generate millions of investors?

seriously...

exactly *what* is the revenue stream & business model?

if its not selling something like *access to your head* for agencies with money?

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An earlier Alternet take on Twitter
Posted by: roc on Feb 25, 2009 7:22 AM   
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I posted a piece in January in this space that said Facebook and Twitter "are reshaping journalism as we know it," so let's stop hating on Alternet for hating on Twitter!

Also on my "Media Is A Plural" blog:

http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog

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I loved Zaitchik's article
Posted by: beastfan on Feb 25, 2009 7:25 AM   
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I've been averaging about 2 minutes time spent on my Facebook account lately. Why? Because most of the postings are nothing but generic and uninteresting comments on the user's mundane existence at that moment.

"Joe is drinking a beer."
"Mike is hoping it will be sunny tomorrow."
"Pamela is in need of money for another 8-ball."

Just banal and trivial postings that do not elicit any reactions from me. Some of these "friends" are real friends, others just acquaintances. But my real friends and I will engage each other in full conversation in person or on the phone.

Facebook is beneficial if you're hoping to reconnect with a long lost friend, assuming they also have an account. But my recommendation is once you've found each other again, continue your dialogue in person or on the phone, not on this website.

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TWITTER
Posted by: pfm on Feb 25, 2009 8:26 AM   
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At best I can spell the word - TWITTER - and that is where my knowledge ends. Recently I had the good fortune to spend a week in a seminar which included a number of folks in their late teens to late 20's. In my interaction and conversation with them, I came to realize how differently and how at home and at ease they are with all the quickly emerging technology, like twitter for one. I am 65 and I like to believe I am open to "new" but I must confess - twitter - moves a bit too quick for me so I have not dared to tread. There is absolutely no doubt - twitter - and what evolves there from are bringing about a new revolution in communication and it truly matters not whether government or mass media jump on board as the "young" are the driving force and I for one say - thank God push ahead and don't look back.

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All you need to know about Twitter and facebook
Posted by: praedor on Feb 25, 2009 8:38 AM   
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Is the recent research that indicates that all that shit is causing learning and developmental problems in children.

Kids allowed to run rampant with video games, twitter, facebook, and other distractions suffer from attention deficit problems (and attendant learning disabilities that accrue from that), social development problems (they cannot properly communicate and interact with other ACTUAL people outside computer screens), become more self-absorbed and selfish, and, in the final mashup, become more autistic-like.

The research indicates that children should not be allowed free access to any of this stuff until AFTER they learn to deal with actual humans face-to-face, learn to concentrate and think through problems, and learn to be empathetic. Otherwise you simply promise to create a bunch of nasty, selfish, low-thought-content, low complexity, "twits" that cannot stick with anything long enough to actually accomplish anything of value.

I daresay that the effects also accrue to adults. Since my days getting deep into blog-dom, I do notice that my attention span has shortened. I actually need to work to maintain focus when this was all quite easy before the days of the "right now, fast, and quick" days of the blog, twit, etc.

People: actually learn to INTERACT with humans face-to-face in prolonged sessions rather than twit your way through life. No doubt, you people are the same assholes that text or yack on your cellphones during dates, movies, dinners, etc.

LOOK at yourselves!

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» Great Points Posted by: glennr
I totally agree with the last article on twats er twitterers
Posted by: EHarold on Feb 25, 2009 9:50 AM   
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Really man, nobody gives two squirts of piss about"tweets" like this.. @Dumbsh*t:"Gotta get off the computer real quick BOY do I have explosive diarrhea right now! You know the kind that covers even up under the lip.. I'm thinking what did I eat??"


And yes.. That's pretty much a tweet? that came through from someone that my friend "follows".

As far as the whole "reshaping journalism".. Yeah, don't know about that one I do know that instead of people getting off their ass and taking to the streets.. they are more apt to sit on said ass and type things like @Idiot:"Yeah Obama is a total corporate tool let's write an email petition and show him who's boss!!"

As far as the rest of the crowd using twitter it's a bunch of rich elite snobs.. I've got a friend who develops games and he's constantly posting garbage like "Just hung out with so and so rich bastard and we drove through poor neighbor hoods to point and laugh"

Really twitter go away you too myspace and facebook..

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it's only a net communication method
Posted by: ark on Feb 25, 2009 10:39 AM   
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Twitter is just a way for individuals to communicate on the net, and as such carries with it no other external value. It's utility depends on how it is exploited.

Anyone who believes they are going to save the world one Twittering Tweet of 140 characters or less at a time is a damn fool who would be well advised reading the lyrics to Bad Religion's Song "20th Century Digital Boy".

Anyone who believes that Twitter is a sign of societal decay, and learning's collapse is a melodramatic arse whose lamentations only prove they are unfit to tongue shine Jacques Derrida's interred shoes.

Please spare me from the content of revisionary delucidity, that spews from both sides of this ravening bipolarity. There is already a preponderance of inane flotsam floating about upon the datastreams.

Twitter is a very usable tool for short communication bursts within a network, when the information being communicated is intended to become instant public domain, exposed to common search/aggregation methods. It is well-suited for sharing hyperlinks to gems found on the net. It's constant streaming in 140 characters or less message bursts, make it unsuitable for detailed dialogs, and creates a low latency permanence for the data being served. Every Tweet bumps another off of the visible spool. Yes, the vast majority of Tweeted data sent is supernumerary vacuity. Seriously, do you really believe that the oddness which bubbled up from deep down within the tar-pits of your mind as you waited in line to buy your morning coffee, is something worthy of sharing with the world, and getting archived for perpetuity somewhere? I'm ROTFLMAO at your 'effin pretentiousness. At least the noise mixed into the signal is not problematical, when it's limited to 140 characters max.

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What a pointless waste of cyberspace
Posted by: Duncable on Feb 25, 2009 1:02 PM   
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I'll admit right off the bat that I've never used twitter, and never will. I've only ever been to their website once, but I can tell from those few seconds (that I will never get back) that it is an utterly pointless and useless waste of time and energy. I spend my entire working day ona computer, so why would I want to go home and hop back onto another one, just to mindlessly blog about the fact that I'm watching the news, or reading a book, or using the bathroom, or playing guitar, or whatever.

If I want to stay connected to my friends, I'll pick up the phone or get in the freaking car and meet them for coffee. I'll send the ones who live farther away an email every so often. What is wrong with our society, that we feel that we just can't be alone?!?

Ugh...I don't even know why I commenting, other than to express my complete astonishment that this is what the GOP thinks will save them, and this is what millions of people do with their spare time.

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theres prolly a reason why their called "twits"...
Posted by: Annapurna1 on Feb 25, 2009 2:40 PM   
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i dont have a twitter account..so i dont know whats on there...but my hunch is that alternet would not be so down on them unless twitter was devolving into a right-wing mouthpiece like the AOL message boards...maybe someone with more information can tell me if this is correct or not...

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SWEEEEEET
Posted by: ranchero42 on Feb 25, 2009 8:58 PM   
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Since my job went away, my thumbs have taken turns up my butt! Finally, something for them, too!

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SEEMS LIKE JUST ANOTHER 'THING'
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 28, 2009 1:45 PM   
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Reminds me of compulsive talkers. They just won't shut up. I like my peace an quiet now and then. Anna

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Can twitter help us reduce the number of GOP congressmen to 140 in 2010?
Posted by: jimswanson on Mar 2, 2009 12:59 PM   
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Perhaps twitter can help us reduce the number of GOP Congressmen to 140 in 2010. I plan to try it.

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