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The Spectacular, Sudden Crash of the Global Economy

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted February 24, 2009.


In a short period of months, the entire system of global capitalism has screeched to a halt. No one knows what happens next.

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The worldwide economic meltdown has sent the wheels spinning off the project of building a single, business-friendly global economy. 

Worldwide, industrial production has ground to a halt. Goods are stacking up, but nobody's buying; the Washington Post reports that "the world is suddenly awash in almost everything: flat-panel televisions, bulldozers, Barbie dolls, strip malls, Burberry stores." A Hong Kong-based shipping broker told The Telegraph that his firm had "seen trade activity fall off a cliff. Asia-Europe is an unmit­igated disaster." The Economist noted that one can now ship a container from China to Europe for free -- you only need to pick up the fuel and handling costs -- but half-empty freighters are the norm along the world's busiest shipping routes.  Global airfreight dropped by almost a quarter in December alone; Giovanni Bisignani, who heads a shipping industry trade group, called the "free fall" in global cargo "unprecedented and shocking."

And while Americans have every reason to be terrified about their own econopocalypse, the New York Times noted that everything is relative: 

In the fourth quarter of last year, the American economy shrank at a 3.8 percent annual rate, the worst such performance in a quarter-century. They are envious in Japan, where this week the comparable figure came in at negative 12.7 percent — three times as bad. 

Industrial production in the United States is falling at the fastest rate in three decades. But the 10 percent year-over-year plunge reported this week for January looks good in comparison to the declines in countries like Germany, off almost 13 percent in its most recently reported month, and South Korea, down about 21 percent. 

Chinese manufacturing declined in each of the last five months; according to the Financial Times, "More than 20 [million] rural migrant workers in China have lost their jobs and returned to their home villages or towns as a result of the global economic crisis." The UN estimates that the downturn could claim 50 million jobs worldwide, prompting Dennis Blair, the U.S. National Intelligence Director, to warn Congress that, "instability caused by the global economic crisis had become the biggest security threat facing the United States, outpacing terrorism." 

Riots, strikes and other forms of civil unrest have become widespread the world over; governments have fallen. In Europe, parties of the far right and left have seen their fortunes rise. 

The model of economic globalization that's dominated during the past 40 years is, if not dead, at least in critical condition. Few progressives will mourn its demise -- it was both a proximate cause of the economic meltdown in which we find ourselves today, and one of its victims. But if we are reaching the end of an era, questions arise about not only what will replace it, but also how we'll finance the government spending that most economists agree will be required to stave off a long, painful depression. 

Always a Flawed Model 

For almost 40 years, smooth-talking snake-oil salesmen in well-tailored suits have pitched the wonders of a globalized economy. Politicians and pundits alike insisted that the wealthy states at the core of that worldwide economy could shift labor-intensive production to the poorer countries at the edges, in search of a cheaper pair of hands and less nettlesome regulations, and that ordinary working people would benefit. Whatever pain Americans might feel as a result of the project was merely temporary “displacement,” they argued, and anyway those cheap toys at Wal-Mart more than offset any problems that might come along with the decimation of America’s middle class. After all, a little lead never hurt anyone. 

The same hucksters sold a similar bill of goods to the developing world. Look outward, they said, build export economies and turn those peasants into factory line workers. Sign treaties forcing governments to let multinationals move goods and capital freely, keep their regulators out of the way of Big Business’s profits and prosperity will surely follow. Most governments adhered to this pro-corporate orthodoxy, slashing taxes on foreign companies and scrapping various controls on foreign investment. Largely unregulated “free trade” zones proliferated along the world’s significant shipping routes.  

The result was an explosion in international trade and a distinct increase in economic inequality in both poorer and richer countries. 

Among the wealthy countries, nowhere was this truer than in the United States, with its fealty to a mythic “free market” and its elites’ scorn for a robust safety net. After union-busting, global trade deals have done the most damage to workers’ bargaining power. Whereas companies used to negotiate with their employees in relatively good faith, those negotiations are now overshadowed by the threat -- ubiquitous in labor disputes today -- to simply move the whole plant to Mexico or China. 

The result was an illusion of prosperity. Corporate profits rose (in 2004, corporate profits took the largest share of national income since they started tracking the data in 1929 and wages took the smallest), and high earners did very well too. When the oil shock hit in 1973, those in the top one percent of the income ladder took in just over 9 percent of the nation’s income; by 2006, they grabbed almost 23 percent. In the intervening years, their average incomes more than tripled (Excel file).  

The rest of us didn’t do as well. In 1973, the bottom 90 percent of the economic pile -- most of us -- shared two-thirds of the nation’s income; by 2006, we got half. If you take off the top ten percent of the income ladder, the rest of the country in 2006 earned, on average, 2 percent less than they did 30 plus years earlier, despite the fact that the economy as a whole had grown by 160 percent over that time.  

But we continued to buy; it's become almost a cliché to say that American consumerism is the engine of the global economy.

How did we do it with incomes stagnating? First, women entered the workforce in huge numbers, transforming the “typical” single-breadwinner family into a two-earner household. (Between 1955 and 2002, the percentage of working-age women who had jobs outside the home almost doubled.) 

After that, we started financing our lifestyles through debt -- mounds of it. Consumer debt blossomed; trade deficits (which are ultimately financed by debt) exploded and the government started running big budget deficits year in an year out. In the period after World War Two, while wages were rising along with the overall economy, Americans socked away over 10 percent of the nation’s income in savings. But in the 1980s, that began to decline -- the savings rate fell from 11 percent in the 1960s and ‘70s, to 7 percent in the 1980s, and by 2005, it stood at just one percent (household savings that year were actually in negative territory). 

After the collapse of the dot-com bubble and the recession that followed it, the economic “expansion” of the Bush era was the first on record in which median incomes never got back to where they were before the crash. Fortunately for Wal-Mart shoppers, a massive housing bubble was rising. Americans started financing their consumption by taking chunks of equity out of their homes. The result: in 2005, long before the housing bubble crashed, the average amount of equity Americans had in their homes was already the lowest it had ever been. 

We hear a lot of chatter about a “credit crunch” being at the root of our economic woes -- that banks aren’t lending to otherwise qualified individuals and businesses. The truth, however, is that before the housing (and stock) markets crashed, the average American household already had 20 percent more in debt than it earned in a year. 

Already deeply in the hole, when the markets crashed, consumers stopped spending, and that's fueled millions of layoffs, led to a mountain of foreclosures, and left state budgets decimated. The connection between decades of false prosperity, the piles of household debt that resulted, and the degree to which that left American families vulnerable to the bubble’s crash is not difficult to see. 

Global Illusion of Prosperity  

During the “era of globalization," massive increases in trade created a similar illusion of prosperity, masking a long-term decline in real economic growth worldwide. 

Much of Asia has become a huge production platform for the West. It’s been said, half-jokingly, that the modern global economy works something like this: the U.S. produces pieces of green paper, which it trades to China for the goods lining the shelves of Wal-Mart and Target, the Chinese trade those pieces of paper to the oil-producing states for energy, and the oil producers exchange them with Europe for Mercedes and foie gras

Economist Robert Brenner described a "long downturn" in the world's wealthiest countries, noting that their economies grew by a steady rate of 5 percent or more each year from the end of World War II through the 1960s, but in the 1970s their growth fell to 3.6 percent, and it has averaged around 3 percent since 1980. 

But as the social scientist Walden Bello pointed out, even those anemic numbers are misleading. “China's 8-10% annual growth rate has probably been the principal stimulus of growth in the world economy in the last decade,” he wrote. Without China’s (and to a lesser degree India’s) consistent growth rates, global economic expansion has been all but nonexistent.  

China became an export engine by keeping wages down through repressive union-busting and by drawing on an almost endless supply of poor rural peasants to work its production lines.  

While global trade flows have exploded, much of that trade has been between multinationals based in the advanced economies and their own offshore units. They ship production overseas, but the goods produced end up back in domestic markets; it’s a means of avoiding “first-world” wages, public interest regulations and environmental restrictions. 

China and the U.S. have developed a precariously symbiotic relationship. As Walden Bello wrote, “With its reserve army of cheap labor unmatched by any country in the world, China became the ‘workshop of the world,’ drawing in $50 billion in foreign investment annually by the first half of this decade.” To survive, firms all over the world, "had no choice but to transfer their labor-intensive operations to China to take advantage of what came to be known as the ‘China price,’ provoking in the process a tremendous crisis in the advanced capitalist countries’ labor forces.” 

It was always an unsustainable model; the United States’ annual trade deficit with China -- financed by debt -- was $6 billion as recently as the mid-1980s; by last year it had exploded to $266 billion.

Defenders of the global trade regime have long argued that China’s currency will rise in value against the dollar, the trade deficit will shrink, and there will be significant “decoupling” between the two economic powerhouses as a new generation of middle-class consumers in the East Asian countries begin demanding a greater share of all those manufactured goods. 

On the surface, it appeared that at least the last part of that was indeed happening. As Bello noted, “To satisfy China's thirst for capital and technology-intensive goods, Japanese exports shot up by a record 44%, or $60 billion. Indeed, China became the main destination for Asia's exports, accounting for 31% while Japan's share dropped from 20% to 10%. China is now the overwhelming driver of export growth in Taiwan and the Philippines, and the majority buyer of products from Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, and Australia.”  

But Bello went on to describe that this "decoupling" was also an illusion: 

Research by economists C.P. Chandrasekhar and Jayati Ghosh, underlined that China was indeed importing intermediate goods and parts from Japan, Korea, and ASEAN, but only to put them together mainly for export as finished goods to the United States and Europe, not for its domestic market. Thus, "if demand for Chinese exports from the United States and the EU slow down, as will be likely with a U.S. recession," they asserted, "this will not only affect Chinese manufacturing production, but also Chinese demand for imports from these Asian developing countries." 

The collapse of Asia's key market has banished all talk of decoupling. The image of decoupled locomotives — one coming to a halt, the other chugging along on a separate track — no longer applies, if it ever had. Rather, U.S.-East Asia economic relations today resemble a chain-gang linking not only China and the United States but a host of other satellite economies. They are all linked to debt-financed middle-class spending in the United States, which has collapsed.

We often hear that U.S. consumer spending accounts for 70 percent of the economic activity in the country. Do the math: with 20 percent of the world’s economic activity, U.S. consumers -- most weighed down with stagnant wages and maxed-out credit -- make up about 14 percent of the planet’s economic demand. Add the other affluent countries (which were also heavily invested in our real estate market and related securities), and it’s easy to see why the economic meltdown has grown to global proportions. The dominoes are tumbling. 

What’s Next? 

International trade existed long before the era of economic globalization, and will continue after its demise. The so-called “free trade” agreements championed by both Democratic and Republican lawmakers, liberals and conservatives alike, for the past few decades was always less about trade than constraining the policy options of governments through treaty.  

The one likely bright spot in all this is that the cookie-cutter, one-size-fits-all economic orthodoxy lies in ruins. What will replace it is a question for the long-term. 

The more immediate question is two-fold. First, in a global economic crisis such as the one we’re experiencing today, where is the engine of rapid growth that might pull the world’s economy out of the doldrums? Recessions of recent years -- in the early 1980s, the early 1990s and the early 2000s -- weren’t global in nature; rapidly developing economies in Asia and Eastern Europe, and later the rise of the U.S. housing market, pulled the world out of the doldrums. It’s difficult to see where that kind of growth might be found today. 

And then there is the question of how long foreign investors will continue to run our tab. As Americans’ demand for just about everything has tanked, economists from across the political spectrum have called on the government to take up the slack. So we got a big stimulus package -- probably the first in a series -- which will be tacked onto a budget that was already deeply in the red. The hole is cavernous, and we have little choice to dig deeper. In 2008, the official deficit was around $500 billion; the most optimistic projections are deficits averaging around $1.35 trillion in both 2009 and 2010.

In 2006, economist Barry Bosworth testified before Congress that “net foreign lending” had been almost $800 billion in the red -- a negative 7.2 percent of national income. “This degree of reliance on foreign financing is unprecedented,” he explained, “but has been achieved with relatively few strains because foreigners perceive the United States as offering safe and attractive investment opportunities.”  

Right now, foreign investors are still snapping up American debt -- the dollar is seen as a safe haven in turbulent seas. But how long, and to what extent they will continue to do so are crucial questions.  

China, with the world’s largest foreign currency holdings -- about 70 percent of which is in U.S. treasury bills -- is still buying, at least for the moment. Luo Ping, director-general of the China Banking Regulatory Commission, recently asked, "Except for US Treasuries, what can you hold? Gold? You don't hold Japanese government bonds or UK bonds. US Treasuries are the safe haven," he explained. "For everyone, including China, it is the only option."

But the Chinese are concerned about the stability of their investments. If the U.S. government needs to raise the interest rates on its securities to attract enough foreign investment to cover our shortfall, the value of those T-bills China and other central governments are holding will drop. 

Last week, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton acknowledged that the world economy is anything but decoupled, all but begging the Chinese to continue to buy our debt. According to Agence France Presse, “Clinton and Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi largely agreed to disagree on human rights,” while “she focused on the need for China to help finance the massive 787-billion-dollar US economic stimulus plan by continuing to buy US Treasuries.”   

In a moment of clarity -- one that shone a light on the rot of the global economic system that has prevailed for the past 40 years, Clinton explained to the Chinese media, "We have to incur more debt … the US needs the investment in Treasury bonds to shore up its economy to continue to buy Chinese products."

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Call it the New Depression!
Posted by: Jay Randal on Feb 24, 2009 12:15 AM   
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The New Depression could end up worse than the 1930s Great Depression. Unfortunately Obama is trying to handle it the same way Hoover did, which is trying to save Wall Street and big banks. If he continues on this path, then We the People will be looking for the New FDR to replace Obama in 2012 election. That is if We as a nation survive till then without mass starvation. Obama has to be forced to do the things FDR did upon taking office in 1933, like regulating Wall Street and the banks again. If not then I see only worsening economy for next 4 years.

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So Marx Was Right
Posted by: DrBrian on Feb 24, 2009 12:26 AM   
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I'm certainly not a communist, but Marx predicted this outcome. Capitalism can work, but not without adequate regulation. The sheer greed and arrogance of the big-business set and its courtesans in Washington has brought America to its knees, and I fear that its continuing influence will prevent the reforms necessary to fix the system.

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» Adam Smith had no clue! Posted by: bornxeyed
US Disparity of Wealth is Worse than 1920s before 1930s Depression
Posted by: Jay Randal on Feb 24, 2009 12:43 AM   
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Anybody who studies history, like myself, knows that "Great Depression" of the 1930s was caused by greed of the 1920s. Thus most of the wealth of our nation got sucked up by the Elite to the extreme where workers could not pay their bills and lost their homes.

Eventually the economically overheated "Roaring 20s" for the wealthy could not be sustained. "Great Gatsby" Elite had robbed the nation blind and caused "Stock Market Crash of 1929" to transpire. Pres. Hoover was paid-off stooge for the Elite and tried to save big banks from bankruptcy, but his foolish policies could NOT save the unregulated corruption and greed of the Elite.

Deregulation of Wall Street starting in 1999 and 2000 created another boom period for the wealthy, but for the rest of American citizenry it became economic slide into another Depression. 2009 is de-facto repeat of 1929 in many ways. Stock Market is crashing and Wall Street greed the cause of it. Pres. Obama so far is trying to save big banks from bankruptcy, just like Hoover did, but he can't save corrupt and greedy Elite!

Jay Randal in Stone Mountain, Georgia, USA.

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Great Synopsis ... Your Two Questions ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 24, 2009 12:44 AM   
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~ " ...where is the engine of rapid growth that might pull the world’s economy out of the doldrums? "

There really isn't one is there? The world economy is in much worse structural shape than it was in 1929. What globalization has done is specialize the economies of most countries. The US has become a financial country, China an exporting country and as you list most of the countries in the world they have unbalanced and highly leveraged economic sectors highly dependent on global trade. This dependency on specialization means all the major players are dependent on one another ... there is no engine with the world's consumer the US unable to continue and the rest of the world unable to create large middle classes to take our place.

~ "And then there is the question of how long foreign investors will continue to run our tab."

This is actually less of a problem. Since the dollar is the reserve currency of the world no other country will be able to throw it over. The key is energy especially oil. China can buy its own supply of oil, no other non-producing countries can except us.

If and until energy can be traded in other currencies the dollar will remain indispensable. As long as other countries devalue their currencies to maintain trade advantage the dollar is king. If there is a dump of Treasury Bonds the Treasury and the Fed can print money to buy them leaving bond rates low. The flood of cash generated will have nothing to buy except commodities which will again crash their economies with spiking prices. You can't buy consumers.

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Welcome to the deathculture
Posted by: improperly_sedated on Feb 24, 2009 1:04 AM   
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What do our politicians keep telling us? The American way of life is not negotiable. It is something we will never apologize for. It is our secret to winning the hearts and minds of all the peoples of the world, because they just can't wait to live in this fantasy world, too. It is something that will never end.

What happens when you try to point out that this way of life is completely unsustainable? You get called a Communist, a guilt ridden liberal, a blame America firster, and whatever other insults they can think of just to keep from hearing the sound of your voice. Because "unsustainable" is not a big word, and it is not a big concept. It is a thing so plain, so obvious and so dangerous that only a steady incantation of dogma can keep it out of the mind's eye.

Now we have come to the time of consequences, and we are hearing yet again that this insane way of life is not negotiable. We will not negotiate with that brick wall, and so we shall be broken upon it.

And people will keep accepting that as long at the bread and circuses keep coming.

We'd better hope that food riots come to America soon, because that's the only thing likely to break this nation of cowardly couch potatoes out of their stupor. It's either that or a system wide TV breakdown, and I'm afraid our television system is far more robust than our food system. And at this point, folks would just go online. We'd need a full power grid failure to achieve that effect, and that's not happening.

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And Obama cannot help. U.S. Pressed to Add Billions to Bailouts.
Posted by: flymulla on Feb 24, 2009 1:33 AM   
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And Obama cannot help. U.S. Pressed to Add Billions to Bailouts.
That is being realistic. For sometime, we thought that Obama would give the bail out packet and we are safe for the next three to four years. Well. There it is. This is just the piece of cake or just the dust removed from the rooftops to find the holes and more holes. However, this in not the fault Obama. He is new in this territory. He promises to clean up the financial mess in four years. The period ends in four years so where do we go in between.
I thank you
Firozali A.Mulla

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No One Saw It Coming
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Feb 24, 2009 2:21 AM   
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No one...


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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DEFINITION of TYRANNY
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Feb 24, 2009 2:25 AM   
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“…the entire system of global capitalism has screeched to a halt. No one knows what happens next.
The worldwide economic meltdown has sent the wheels spinning off the project of building a single, business-friendly global economy.”


Really?

What’s “business-friendly” about “global economy” run by Fascists for Fascism where there is no real competition or “capitalism”.

This Alternet writer seems a follower of Naomi Klein that outlines the obvious problems to blame a non-existent victim – “capitalism” and its necessary partner “democracy” that by definition both require real competition to operate let alone exist. But neither do exist.

With 9/11 coverup for bogus “war on terror”, this is the worst kept secret in the west.

By the way, I can tell you some of what happens next. Gullible Americans will get stuck with “too big to fail” Organized Corporate Crime bank debts and Wall Street Mafia sharks will walk home with Trillions more extorted from more “bailout” theft. ($8.5 Trillion already).

Funny isn’t it, how Obama’s monopoly bankers that gutted the system all the way down to the meltdown now suddenly suggest “nationalization” may be just fine. But we must do it now, now, now. Produce the crisis and then suggest the “cure”. If that sounds familiar, the Mafia did this kind of bunko extortion racket as a favorite con.

But it gets worse. MSM clamor for “nationalization” means more concentrated power into a Washington-MSM circus already ruled by Organized Corporate Crime Fascism.

This is not new. It happens wherever a private Ponzi Fascist ruling class takes over any nation by printing worthless fiat money out of thin air debt to charge the people interest on it. Any debt based fiat economy is a Fascist sham to the last counterfeit penny.

And what is the definition of FASCISM?


Fascism
any movement, tendency, or ideology that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism
Encarta® World English Dictionary ©

Mussolini coined Fascism as the merger of corporate and state power with corporate power at command.

Old snake oil in new bottles.



“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government of the U.S. ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
President FDR (during the “Great Depression” on de facto Fascist rule in a letter to corporate monopoly charlatan “Colonel” Edward M. House, co-founder of the Council on Foreign Relations and political fixer for the ruling class. House also handled President Wilson. 11/21/ l933 from "F.D.R.: His Personal Letters”)

“The minority, the ruling class at present, has the schools and press, usually the Church as well, under its thumb. This enables it to organize and sway the emotions of the masses, and make its tool of them.”
Doctor Albert Einstein (letter to Sigmund Freud 7/30/1932. 1879-1955)

“We disapprove of slavery and the cost of the maintenance and upkeep of slaves. We prefer our English model in which we control the issuance of currency, and control of money, it allows us to control labor without the cost of maintaining it.”
Lord Baron Rothschild (private owner of the Bank of England. Quote 1849)

“If you want to be the slaves of [private] banks and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the banks create money…”
SIR JOSIAH STAMP (Director of the privately owned Bank of England. Stamp was the 2nd richest man in Britain after Lord Rothschild. 1880-1941 Quote1920)

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trucks to trains and sustainability
Posted by: zorro on Feb 24, 2009 3:12 AM   
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stations and seperate comfortable pleasent clean even luxurious passenger stations. And restaurants, shopping even residences can grow up along it--making a sustainable more localized economy. It makes perfect sense. Jobs can be transferred to the rail indusstry--production, maintence, building contracts. There comes a time when people just have to buck up and change work--construction, factory, driving--it doesnt require that much of an education and training plans can be funded. The market shifts thats all.

Would you say we should stop waging to save the weapons industry--because that is the biggest industry in the world, and in America. Industry of death. Well, I'm afraid its not healthy or good. When plane and bomb and tank manufacturers need profit--they manufacture a war.

I think all thoe millions of jobs should be re-located as well. War just isnt cool man. where there is a will There is always a way!

Governments and big business dont complain when they have to spend billions on nuclear power plants and coal industry but sustainable clean renewable friendlt healthy means and services are a;ways 'just too expensive' Bullshit! Thats why we dont have a robust train system like most wealthy countries. Thats why we dont have tidal power and solar and wind. Old dogs dont want to give up power and wealth--in other words they hate you and your family. the elite is un-american! Yeah Carl!!

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A CULTURE OF INDEBTEDNESS IS NOT SUSTAINABLE
Posted by: outlook on Feb 24, 2009 3:22 AM   
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And, sadly, the developing world has emulated, and become embroiled in, the Western model; the 'American dream' proved to be too seductive.

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» You're making too much sense Posted by: Bliss Doubt
En masse, dumb bankers made dumb loans to folks with no...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Feb 24, 2009 4:09 AM   
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...prospects to pay them back.

I'd say that fools and their monies were parted, but you're welcome to your religious interpretations.

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» n masse, dumb bankers ...WRONG Posted by: jreinhart1
» But that's not the point. Posted by: -matti
» RE: But that's not the point. Posted by: kattfish
» RE: But that's not the point. Posted by: bornxeyed
» Religious interpretations. Posted by: ABetterFuture
Our culture of indebtedness and overconsumption is...
Posted by: disc golf on Feb 24, 2009 4:19 AM   
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not sustainable. A number of writers pointed out this obvious fact. Another pointed out that we need to turn off our televisions. With the most recent survey showing that Americans were watching an average of 151 hours of television per month (that's about 5.0 hours per day!), something is seriously wrong.

To learn why we need to turn OFF our televisions (or watch much less), go to: http://www.SaveYourBrainTurnOffYourTV.com. Imagine if Americans exercised just 1/4 of that time? (38 hours per month?) We sure would be more healthy and, perhaps, our brains would work better too!

Yes, the current American way of life is unsustainable. That's why I encourage my friends to live more simply and buy less stuff. The old concept of consumption and excess debt needs to end. Too bad sales at Walmart are growing while most other outlets are failing. Shows you the mentality (and ignorance) of most Americans. Send the little money we have over to China! Please Americans, wake up! Our greedy way of life is ending. Simplify, get healthier (who can afford $1,000 per month health "insurance" anyway?), and get used to living in a way that is more sustainable AND better for our planet.

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The Federal Reserved Bank's Role was not mentioned
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Feb 24, 2009 4:30 AM   
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This article very well explains most of the reasons why this great world depression is upon us. However, it leaves out the main puppet master, namely the Federal Reserve Bank and the other private central banks of the world. The United States Constitution only permits the US government to print its money. As soon as Woodrow Wilson allowed the third reincarnation of a private central bank printing the money for this country and then lending it back to us at interest, the economic prosperity of the middle class was doomed.

It seems like most financial analysts do not want to touch upon this topic. Not that I am an expert, but the World Bank and the IMF are just subsidiaries of the private central bankers of the world.

Again, why would people in this country stand for a private for-profit corporation controlling the supply of money and the interest rate? The answer is simply that most people do not know this and the media is not about to tell them.

Go to 911insidejob.net for many more articles and videos.

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» Connect all the dots Posted by: kattfish
How about
Posted by: SocoLoco on Feb 24, 2009 4:53 AM   
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Investigating this...

House Representative Paul E. Kanjorski claimed in a January 27, 2009 interview with CSPAN that there was an "electronic run on the banks" during the second week of September, 2008. According to the testimony $550 Billion were withdrawn from money market accounts in the U.S. within a two hour time- span.

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» RE: How about speaking the truth Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: I would like to know too. Posted by: Sister_Lauren
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» RE: How about Posted by: EncinoM
Not as Sudden as it appears
Posted by: US Citizen on Feb 24, 2009 5:11 AM   
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The economic collapse wasn't so sudden as it now appears. If you remember, there were several quarters when the Bush economic statisticians cooked the books so they could deny we were in a recession. If instead they had taken meaningful steps then, we may have been able to avoid the George W Bush financial collapse.

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sgtmajor
Posted by: seazen on Feb 24, 2009 5:21 AM   
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Good article. From reading the posts here, I think we can see (for the most part) the initial stages of what can and should be an historic evolution of a new "ism" that conforms to the realities, the challenges and the opportunities of the 21st Century. "Globalism, capitalism, socialism, communism," etc. only have real meaning in historic terms. Today, the tools and technologies of production, communication, transportation and even finance are dramatically new.

If you step back, it seems like we actually have been correct in our sense of what it needed both domestically and globally but have failed to stay true to the original intent of the rules, institutions and arrangements put in place to guide us. The laws and oversight required to prevent the insane actions within the financial system exist - they were simply weakened or just ignored. The global organizations needed to oversee the world's trade, finance, and even environmental concerns also exist - and were likewise trivialized.

Globalization failed to perform as intended because of rampant greed - across the entire spectrum of "isms' in the world. There was nothing in any form of government that prevented this. The "leader" of the world - America - stopped leading as its own form of the "power elite' turned toward the celebration of money, short-term profit, and its own celebrity. And look at Russia or Venezuela or Nigeria.

It is too easy to suggest that one of the existing "isms" is either the cause or the solution. We have to get real clear about what our goals going forward. Do we want a system that supports and rewards greed? If so, say it out loud?. Do we want a system that strives for sustainability through a more equitable distribution of work, responsibility and opportunity? Do we see a global economy that works toward the benefits of more broadly distributed prosperity or do we choose to expand an empire? Do we want an internal political system that is sold to the highest bidder or do we want to seek one driven to enhance and improve the common good through representation of the average American?

Who cares what we call it? We need to re-vitalize this society and we need to do it right. All this petty political playground nonsense going on today is useless. It isn't about protecting any worn ideology unless that is where one get their personal power.

The more I think about it, the happier I am that Barack was a community organizer.

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How will the rich live in an unsustainable world?
Posted by: windseye on Feb 24, 2009 5:29 AM   
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Given that food will be in short supply, travel will be curtailed, maintenance of physical roads and customer services will shrink, just how do the wealthy believe they can survive independently of the rest of us? Something about recognizing our interdependence, our interrelatedness which is being seriously overlooked by the "best and brightest and richest"). Wonder how control of money will enable them to manipulate a world overcome by poverty and destitution...

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The corruption of economics
Posted by: JayHaden on Feb 24, 2009 6:54 AM   
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Nice summary, Joshua. When the average schmuck like me could see all this coming since the day Ronald Wilson Reagan declared his candidacy for the presidency, economists, whose business it is to predict and advise on the economy, should retreat in shame. Economics, like politics, is a corrupt profession.

Wait, you say, don't tar all for the sins of a few. In response: Any profession that professes to practice its black arts for the good of the public but cannot define what is in the public's interest is, as a whole, corrupt.

Any discipline that recognizes that what some of its practitioners advise runs against the well-being of society (but applies no discipline) is, as a whole, corrupt.

Yes, there can be legitimate disagreements on the means to certain ends -- even on the ends themselves. But when public policy, on the advice of economists, has devolved to such self-serving and damaging levels as we see today, we must question the role of economics in politics and perhaps draw a much tighter circle of skepticism around it.

Our first hint of the profession's lack of integrity should have come in 1968 when the Bank of Sweden decided to pay for the Noble prize in economics, which was not one of the five original scientific prizes. It had to buy its way in.

Here we are today, struggling to learn enough of the truth to help clear away the debris and get on with life and all we get are talking head economists serving up their own ideology-based nutritional advice. Common sense would tell us more about the future than a profession that has no internal consistency.

But, you say, disciplines evolve with new knowledge and the search for knowledge is the hallmark of a true discipline. True enough, but economics, dealing mostly with human psychology, is not mature enough yet to claim it holds even a small percentage of the truth. We are giving our country over to the policy equivalent of children.

So, I'll amend my claim: economics, in its appearance of corruption, displays the lack of integrity that comes from immaturity. Economics, heal thyself -- grow up before asking to play with the adults.

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What Milwaukee needs.....
Posted by: AJR Journal on Feb 24, 2009 7:09 AM   
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1. No corporate income tax. Milwaukee is home to 6 Fortune 500 companies. These companies need to retain their hard-fought earnings to grow and stay healthy.
2. More immigration. Immigration is the human component of the free trade subject. Milwaukee needs more immigrants from all corners of the globe.
3. A restrained public sector. Local, State, and Federal tax burdens make Milwaukee one of the highest taxed cities in the USA.
There is only one way out of this mess!
I should know.

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» The first round is on me....... Posted by: AJR Journal
» Milwaukee's Unemployment Rate ? Posted by: US Citizen
Inevitabilty of a disasterous "NEW World Order" agenda
Posted by: raine1 on Feb 24, 2009 7:35 AM   
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When Henry Kissinger came back from a meeting in Europe during the early years of the Reagan Administration and announced he was back to "de-industrialize the United States," THAT was the beginning of the end of the world as we knew it. I saw this train wreck coming then and predicted to anyone who would listen that in 25 years we would have an economic depression that would make 1929 look like child's play practice. For Paul Volker to say that he could not understand how this could happen so rapidly and hit so deeply world-wide is not surprising either, as the architects of this disaster never looked forward long enough to figure out the ramifications of putting all of a country's eggs into one basket. This whole ride was begun on Reagan's watch, while he gleefully clapped his hands, watching a nuclear blast on the back of a naval carrier. It will be completed during Obama's watch. I pity the man as he must surely wind up wringing his hands as he throws worthless US scrip on the fire.

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Tie wages to productivity
Posted by: ergo3 on Feb 24, 2009 7:42 AM   
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The so-called “free market” was never free and the rules of the economic game were all skewed toward capital accumulation at the expense of labor, especially during the last 15 years. During this time period worker productivity increased an average of 2.8% per year (about what wages increased during the Clinton years) but while productivity continued during the Bush years, it’s only reflected in a 1% increase in wages during the last 8 years, and most of it all at the top end. During the last 15 years wages for the bottom 99% have been flat while productivity gains have increased 51%(compounded at 2.8%/year). If wages just kept pace with productivity, which historically has occurred, someone earning $50,000 in 1993 would be earning $76,000 today. That would be like giving each worker a check for $26,000 and promising to continue it as long as productivity continued to increase. End of bad economy.

If the real growth in wages for the bottom 99% of Americans for the last eight years kept pace with the Clinton years, how much more money would working people have in their pockets? How much more in wage taxes and Social Security taxes would have been paid in, keeping SS solvent until 2100? How much more solvent would state and local governments be? How much less use of credit cards would have been needed? How many more people who purchased homes could still afford their mortgage payments if their wage growth had kept pace? How many fewer people would have needed to file for personal bankruptcy? And if the American economy, with all its flaws and biases toward the rich, was in better shape, would the world economy be heading for bigger fall than us?

It’s time for a revolt! Tie wages to productivity and the good times and bad get shared more equitably.

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Escaping the Faustian Bargain
Posted by: peacelf on Feb 24, 2009 7:57 AM   
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The Program on Corporations, Law and Democracy (POCLAD) is a group of 11 activists who study corporate power and democracy among other things. Their ultimate goal is to educate the public on how to strip corporations of its power and influence which has created an imbalanced democracy heavily favoring the goals of the rich and powerful.

POCLAD's website has information on the history of corporate power, recent and past worker rights movements and community organizing campaigns to rid cities and towns of harmful corporate abusers.

In essence, POCLAD provides an outline for reducing corporate power to what it once was: A simple charter lasting for five to ten years for a business to provide goods or services to people for a limited period of time. In that model, the corporation cannot own land, cannot conglomerate or gain multinational status; is not a "person" and therefore, cannot fund or influence political campaigns--has no rights afforded to people like free speech, bear arms, or equality to humans issues; a corporation's charter can be revoked at any time by a citizen council overseeing said charter; it cannot outlive its initial charter purpose, and a corporation and it's owner(s) will be taxed equally to its citizen workers.

Given these few but important conditions, the corporation will be reduced to a benign entity that employs citizens who have rights to organize for better wages and benefits, and it will be an institution for pure profit. By pure profit, I mean the corporation must produce a product or service that serves the best interests of the community, otherwise it's charter will be revoked.

These goals for reducing corporate power should be the goal of every citizen/activist. If achieved, no longer will our nation's economy be in jeopardy because the size and scope of one company holds us all hostage to its existence.

peace

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THE best Article Describing our Economic Woes
Posted by: Shankari46 on Feb 24, 2009 8:13 AM   
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He combines the collapse of the Baltic Dry Index with the Asian parasite economies to the undermining of the American worker to line the pockets of the Uber Rich. The billionaires have sucked all the money from the "consumer" (meaning Blow Joe American with a big credit card) dry. A few guys with lots of money and the rest of us starve to death.
shankarikali.wordpress.com

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» RE: a concise review of the story Posted by: Sister_Lauren
The Landless American
Posted by: Shankari46 on Feb 24, 2009 8:17 AM   
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Since the Depression banks have pushed Americans off of farms and into cities. Now the average American has no land and hasn't a clue as to how to grow his own food. What will happen to the cities when no one has a job, or a check from the government and doesn't know how to grow his own food? I would say that the idiots will try martial law, but that will fail too.

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» Don't be eating human flesh. Posted by: Bliss Doubt
Good resource for understanding the crash
Posted by: Defenestrator on Feb 24, 2009 8:46 AM   
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Baseline scenario

This is a website created by an MIT economist whose area of expertise is financial crises.

Another good resource is Dennis Kucinich's economic advisor Michael Hudson (frequent updates)

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What happen to the Article on the Fightin' Irish???
Posted by: Purple Girl on Feb 24, 2009 8:52 AM   
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I fany Nationality KNOWS a Family Crest when they See one- it's the Irish! Being of Scotch Irish descent, I know that half the Scots were cowards when it came to fighting the English Crown. Infact I prefer now to ony claim my ancestors were 'horsethieves' instead of admitting they sided with the English with The Bruce and could have very well be the Noble who handed Wallace over to the Crown for torture & Execution. what abunch of self serving cowardly Assholes. And what did they get for their treachery- a bit more land, a title. Which was taken away later when the English wanted to destroy the Jacobites-Supporters of the Stuart line. Poetic Justice?And Where did they get pushed over to- if not hung- Ireland.That unruly Island of rebells who countless others could not control. It's probabaly only because they ultimaelty mixed with the Irish, I have any sense of Justice for the Masses. Otherwise I'd been a sniveling status seeker groveling for a crumb for the elites table,... A Republican.
Elrinn Go Brach (Erin Go Bragh)!!!!

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What about the ECOLOGY of the economy?
Posted by: Lunzie1 on Feb 24, 2009 8:54 AM   
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All those words and nothing about what this global economy does to our planet! Without taking into account the stripping of resources, any discussion about economies is meaningless. Once we run out of clean air and clean water all this talk about money will evaporate because money is pointless if we don't have ecological security.

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A Wonderful Accounting Joke (The Best Humor is Based in Truth)
Posted by: jimswanson on Feb 24, 2009 9:27 AM   
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James A. Swanson, Los Altos, CA
”The Bush League of Nations” [for FREE download of entire $25.95 book]

A huge obstacle for Obama is the fraudulent set of financial statements he inherited.

Bearing in mind that the best humor is based in truth, here’s a wonderful accounting joke that hit’s the bull’s eye:

"The GOP’s balance sheet for America has two sides, with liabilities on the left, and assets on the right. The problem is that on the left, there’s nothing right, while on the right, there’s nothing left."

Jedi Knight Obama, may the Force be with you!

God knows that he—and all of us—will need it to get out of the long GOP Great Depression II that lies before us.

My views appear in, "The Bush League of Nations: The Coalition of the Unwilling, the Bullied and the Bribed – the GOP’s War on Iraq and America," by James A. Swanson (2008, CreateSpace Publishing, 448 pages).

You can download the entire $25.95 book for FREE at www.bushleagueofnations.com.

I ask for nothing in return, except that you perhaps use my book to help restore and build America.

James A. Swanson, Los Altos, CA
“The Bush League of Nations”
www.bushleagueofnations.com [for FREE download of entire $25.95 book]

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What's ahead?
Posted by: willymack on Feb 24, 2009 9:29 AM   
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The world economy, led by the richest, greediest scumbags in the world has met its limits, and exposed itself for the fraud it is. So, with the demise of "business as usual", what brilliant ideas are being employed to remedy our self-inflicted wounds? Throwing monopoly money at the problem speaks for itself; the powers that be want to continue the gravy train rolling along as if nothing bad has happened, and that their meddling in the lives of so many of us was a divine right, which tolerates no challenge or even criticism; they're gods, after all, and have all the toys to prove it, and armies and navies to back them up. The TRUTH of our situation may be incomprehensible to many people, who merely shrug their shoulders and go back to Survivor, and their beer and Twinkies, but that doesn't make it any less grave in its implications for the future. One would hope REAL solutions are being sought by those a cut above Homer Simpson. If not, I'll see you in the soup line.

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Great Article
Posted by: 2thepoint on Feb 24, 2009 9:37 AM   
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spot on in many respects. The balloon finally burst and we are in what seems to be a much needed correction, not only economically but psychologically.


The wasteful spending, entitlement mentality that leads to excesses of possessions, squandering resources etc has hopefully finally run it's course.

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Imagine
Posted by: cbishopp on Feb 24, 2009 10:10 AM   
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Following the words of the great John Lennon...
Imagine no possessions, I wonder if you can. No greed or hunger, a brotherhood of man.

Imagine currency debt free and wealth redefined. Money under the current system is slavery.
Within the present financial system is ingrained an illusion of the scarcity of resources. Competition for these resources forces the population to compete for wages and housing, health care and food.
It is my opinion that if this abundant planet is not producing what the population needs then that is a problem of management. Obviously there are goods piling up all over the world with no one to buy them yet the irony is that the populations that have created these goods cannot afford to own them.
That is intentional mismanagement designed to enrich a small group of individuals who do not care about the welfare of the population.

The recent great "loss" of wealth is not a loss at all but a transference of wealth. The question is, who has got it now? I imagine the same people who are desperately struggling to save the system today.
We do not need to live this way. The debt through which our currency is created is unnecessary and has enslaved us. The Federal Reserve should monetized public debt not just private debt and allow the people to profit from their own labor. We would actually be investing in our own country, not selling it off to sustain an illusory lifestyle that serves an elite oligarchy.
We do not have to live in a world infected with usurious lending practices which yoke the population.
It seems so simple but it will be very difficult to accomplish. Kill the debt. Remove the middleman from your daily transactions.

...Some may say I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one. I hope some day you'll join us and the world will live as one.

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» RE: Imagine Posted by: kattfish
Main News In The UK Tonight Is Your Hero Pilot Getting a 40% Pay Cut and Pension Stopped
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Feb 24, 2009 10:34 AM   
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Hero Pilot Chesley Sullenberger Has Pay Cut And Pension Stopped

But no one actually believes America is quite so insane and that you must be making it up.

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» Sad and true Posted by: Bliss Doubt
More Stuff To Know
Posted by: Urgelt on Feb 24, 2009 11:44 AM   
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More stuff we should know:

- It started heading south in 1973. The shock that pushed it over a cliff was the Oil Embargo, but what made it unstable to begin with was probably an unsustainable level of military spending and government debt, legacies of Viet Nam. Together they produced "stagflation" for over 8 years. For those new to the term, "stagflation" is an unpleasantly high rate of inflation coupled with lousy economic performance.

- Nixon, Ford and Carter all pretty much wrung their hands, helpless to stop the bleeding. Carter cut back on military spending somewhat, enough to make him the bitterest enemy of the right wing forever. But even under Carter we outspent the rest of the world combined in military expenditures.

- Reagan's team wanted nothing to do with cutting the military; quite the opposite. They needed a way to boost military spending to benefit their buddies in the defense industry, and goose the economy to benefit the rest of their buddies without causing even worse inflation. But no economics textbook could provide an answer. So they wrote their own and called it "Supply Side Economics." The whole idea of SSE is that if you cut taxes for the rich, they will reinvest the money and the benefits will trickle down to the rest of us. Serious economists considered it a joke, and still do. It didn't work.

- What did work, though, was disguising the true rate of inflation. Reagan's team did this by rejiggering the inflation indices so they would understate inflation by about 5 percentage points. This gave the Fed enough wiggle room to goose the money supply and heat up the economy through a series of inflationary bubbles. The Reaganites - including Greenspan - figured that if they carefully managed the money supply, they could keep the bubble going indefinitely. (They were wrong about that, too.)

- Real savings declined and debt climbed in this environment, because that's what makes sense in an inflationary economy. We all pretended we weren't seeing much inflation, but it was pretense only. Anyone on a fixed income was screwed; they would see their real income fall and their savings trashed, and the only way out was to invest in risky ventures - like uninsured money market funds.

- Eventually, debt reached such horrible levels, both governmental debt and personal, that there was no more leeway, no flex in the system. All it took was the crash of the latest bubble - real estate - to bring on the crash.

And through it all military spending kept climbing - and being spent on less and less militarily-effective things, like star wars and Iraq (where we had no plan and didn't know what we wanted to achieve, and still don't).

There were other things going on, of course - Joshua does a good job of enumerating many of them. And there was the relentless march towards monopolization that has always been a threat in capitalistic societies, and was directly aided and abetted by the government from Reagan forward. Little players went out of business or were gobbled up; huge chains and dominant players took over and started fixing prices for entire industries. That's a great way to make a buck, but it's a lousy way to run an economy. Competition is healthy. When competition goes away, economic stagnation follows.

I think that to solve our present mess, we need to have honest inflation indices again, something we haven't had since Reagan. We need to return to the idea that our military is for defense, not foreign adventures, and scale it back to guard our borders and eliminate exotic, ineffective weapons systems. We need to bust up monopolies and seize failed banks. And we need to move on this quickly. Our currency is at risk of collapsing, and if you think the crash has been fun thus far, just wait until you live through a currency collapse.

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SUDDEN CRASH OF THE ECONOMY
Posted by: pfm on Feb 24, 2009 12:38 PM   
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I can only speak for me and I do not concur the "crash" of the world and/or US economy was NOT sudden. It was only sudden if one chose not to see, hear, smell and taste what has been festering for the last 8 years in particular. We have been begging for this "change" and we are getting it, though none of us wants to accept our individual accountability and responsibility for our contribution for its creation.


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Let us all -----
Posted by: symcokid on Feb 24, 2009 12:43 PM   
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balance our books via the deficit spending approach, just to see if it will work for us. The stimulus package is nothing but a joke, a knee jerk reaction out of desperation - we still have to pay all of these foreign coutries back and now Hillary Dillary Dock is hitting the Chinese up for another loan.

One more thing, where in to hell do we get the money to give to Israel and other countries, nothing makes sense anymore if it ever did!

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Sudden crash?
Posted by: quito on Feb 24, 2009 1:13 PM   
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This house of cards was doomed before the first card was laid. It was doomed the moment it was conceived. Through decades and centuries we stabilized, patched up, glued together.We followed the promises of morons, being cowardly morons ourselves. The dance around the biblical golden calf was promising to satisfy our greed, our fears, our ignorance and stupidity. The dance is ending, we are exhausted.
No point to try to stabilize and save this system.The sooner we accept this fact the sooner we can see the obvious alternative. We need to live on a limited planet in an intelligent and sustainable way which benefits us all, including the planet itself and all of life. We all win or we all lose; that's the measuring stick if we are to survive.
Details become obvious, on a local level and globally, once we open our eyes and pull our heads out of the fog. Hints we can find in our 'holy' books, but we know the truth in our hearts. Stop following morons; political, economic, religious. Nobody will safe us. We need to take responsibility in our own lives, personally, locally, globally. No dreams of pie in the sky, no magical solutions. Just common sense.

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None of it'll matter come petrocollapse....
Posted by: DaBear on Feb 24, 2009 1:44 PM   
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anyone got a light?

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"Sudden ..."
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Feb 24, 2009 2:04 PM   
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I told my editor that it wasn't all that sudden, and in fact was somewhat predictable.

Obviously, many commenters agree.

C'est la vie. But remember, folks: writers don't have the final word on headlines.

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Global Consciousness
Posted by: maxsmart on Feb 24, 2009 4:13 PM   
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We need to start thinking in terms of a sustainable quality life for everyone rather than growth.
We need to recognize global cultural and business interaction and local cultural and ethnic dignity and diversity. We need to begin thinking in the Bhutanese Gross National Happiness model.
We also need to realize there is no gain in off-shoring pollution and other environmental problems because we are still poisoning our own home, this tiny precious jewel of life called Earth clinging to the warmth of our only begotten Sun.

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Sudden Crash? Global Economy?
Posted by: hilly7 on Feb 24, 2009 5:03 PM   
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There is nothing sudden about this, I've watched it in the making for a little over 2 years now. This is a well planned event. If you are just now catching on, you're a bit late.

What's next? Either 1 or 2 possibilities, one is already pretty much complete. A 4 section world with 4 currencies. Then again, the ultimate goal is 1 currency, something Kissenger and others are calling for. Then we can all be "green" but taking plastic debit cards or better yet, for safety the chip.

Those with 401ks, IRAs, and other things similar that intend on riding it out, think again. Those of us with pensions, kiss them good-bye. It really doesn't matter though when hyper-inflation sets in: Coming soon to a country near you.

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I'm starting soon a new party...
Posted by: eosrk on Feb 24, 2009 6:00 PM   
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the American Party....that's right, lets vote all the Dems, Repugs, Indies, and the rest of em fuckers out of all of govt!!!!

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No, this was not sudden...
Posted by: Midwesterners on Feb 24, 2009 7:40 PM   
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Many cities here in the American midwest and northeast have been in a depression for decades. Detroit and Cleveland have lost nearly half their peak populations. Thousands upon thousands of properties lay vacant across the Region. The infrastructure is crumbling, schools are horrid and there is no investment. There was no sudden burst of any type of bubble--just a long slow, steady decline. What is somewhat sudden or changed is that white suburbanites and residents of the sunbelt and west began feeling a pinch during the last year or so. Now, its big news--the end of capitalism. HA. No, its not the end of capitalism. Our government and those of Germany and France and Japan will rally the troops and get everyone back to Best Buy and Walmart. Despite what the so-call Stimulus package says--highway construction projects will continue to support a renewed sprawl, existing highways will get a third lane or fourth, rather than cities seeing mass transit help--and we'll all be back here in another decade or so...talking about the end of capitalism.

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No one saw this coming? Could I interest you in some lovely Florida real estate or maybe a bridge
Posted by: charles000 on Feb 24, 2009 8:50 PM   
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No one saw this coming? Could interest you in some lovely Florida real estate or maybe a nice bridge.

Who are you kidding? You're actually serious - OK, fair enough . . . I'll touch upon just a few points here.

Don't you find it at least mildly interesting that the major banks (and those would be the very same who are now pleading for bailout funds while still dishing out billions in bonuses and living like royalty) strongly lobbied congress and eventually succeeded in having a so-called "bankruptcy reform" law passed, which strongly favired the bank's interests, before this entire economic meltdown began? Hmmmm???

Gee, I wonder what these folks knew that the rest of us supposedly did not? Gosh, I wonder . . .

Ever hear of something called a Pnzi scheme? I believe Bernie Maddoff is the new world record holder for a private individual - but the trans national banking and so-called "financial services" cartels have set a new standard for Ponzi schemes on a global scale.

Um, do see any of the upper echelon of this inner realm of financial puppet masters suffering, out on the street, desparate and broke? Hmmm???

How about the lobbyists and members of congress who were all too happy to give the banks and their corporate comrades in crime every concivable concession they asked for and more? See any of those folks walking around with "will work for food" signs.

I would invite you to examine more carefully the labyrinthian intrigues of the bizarre Orwellian banking schemes and so-called investment products pushed into the market, by the very same entities now being bailed out by even stranger "bailout" bills with no oversight, accounting, or even minimal cooperation from the treasury, that entity who "manufactures" endless billions of dollars in fake money that is being handed out in complete secrecy, to support the fake "banks" (I use that term very lightly here) with their fake equity holdings, which has no index of valuation based on actual tangible assets.

To the acerage consumre or citrizen, it defies all comprehension.

From a different vantage point, however, this was the ultimate organized crime debacle in all of known history.

For those who have already siphoned off endless billions into hidden assets and accounts around the world, do you think they have even slightest interest in the fate of the "unwashed masses"?

Hmm, let's see now . . . ah yes, that lovely quote which became the signature epitome of the ruling and financial elite of their time, "let them eat cake", a quote which was cited often as members of that clique and their comrades were led to the gilloutine before cheering crowds.

Now, I must admit, perhaps the scenario of the French revolution isn't the acceptable response in today's politically correct world, but speaking for myself, I would have not the slightest hesitation in seeing the severed heads of these Wall Street "financial wizards" and their collection of corporate carpet bagger scumbag comrades mounted on pikes, lined up along Wall Street, right in front of their former offices for all to see.

Surprise!

Now that's a surprise I could believe in.

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Josh's got it right on the economy and crisis but here's some additional thoughts.
Posted by: yellow on Feb 25, 2009 4:20 PM   
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By 1980, it was quite clear that the US economy would be in for a long period of severe stagnation. A crisis of overproduction in the early 1970s led to the massive use of credit to clear inventories. A buildup of overcapacity led to lower investment, unemployment and a slowdown in growth. Energy shocks and monopoly price structures added to these aforementioned factors to create stagflation. By 1980, a deep recession had emerged.

The rise of the far right all over the industrial capitalist world led to a strategy to restore capitalism's rate of profit and resolve the existing crisis. Massive tax cuts for the rich and an all out assault on labor by capital was the core of the agenda. Between 1981 and the present well over $4 trillion in tax cuts, mostly for the rich, have been passed by the US Legislature with very low average annual rates of GDP growth resulting over this period; in fact it is likely that by the time the current depression ends, the real average annual rate of GDP growth from 1980 until that time will scarcely be much over 2% or less than half of that for the period between 1945 and 1973.

Supply side, free market capitalism attempted to run the economy on credit. Instead of paying taxes to the government, the rich would purchase high yield US Treasuries allowing the government to finance its obligations by borrowing at a rate of interest. There was no reason for corporations to pay workers a decent wage that kept pace with inflation; in place of the steadily rising wages of the past there would be easy credit at a high rate of interest. A thirty year agenda of tax cuts for the rich, low real wages, the promotion of financial bubbles with low real interest rates and the promotion of higher labor productivity which doubled between 1980 and the present all concentrated income and wealth to an unprecedented extent in US society. By 2004, the richest 1% had seen their income triple since 1980. Currently, the richest 1% account for 21% of the national income and about 48% of all non-commonly held financial wealth excluding pensions, life insurance, bank deposits and principle residences. It is clear that most of the growth over the past three decades has accrued to them.

The chronic stagnation of the US economy was due mostly to a skewing of the distribution of income upward which led to a slowdown of effective demand. The US economy has been operating at an average of about three quarters capacity since Bush took office in 2001. Most consumption has been based on borrowing against appreciating financial assets created by bubbles. Between 2002 and 2007, stock prices were propped up by massive investment mostly by America's chief East Asian trade partners. The bond market was similarly supported. The growth of cross border capital markets swamped central bankers whose policies were ineffective against massive and frequent cross border capital flows. The bubbles in the US housing and stock markets provided the dollars with which to sustain these capital markets and hence easy credit which further supported US imports of cheap goods. In this sense corporate globalization and financialization were dialectically connected shaping the core dynamic of late capitalism's global phase.

Hyman Minsky, a non-traditional economist, saw this dialectic and the way it spawned growing wealth amidst poverty. He believed that there was "a symbiotic relation between globalization of the world's financial structure and the securitization of financial instruments." For Minsky, globalization brought the world's financial institutions into conformity allowing investors to capture the assets that underlie the securities. It was the global investment in such securities that allowed the growth of capital markets to fund consumption in leiu of growing real middle class incomes. But such weakness of middle class incomes became the achilles heel of late phase global capitalism.

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An Alternative Economic Analysis Opens a Path to Recovery
Posted by: Overtone on Feb 25, 2009 5:29 PM   
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Up to 6 million jobs and 4 million small businesses can be created by A Human Investment Tax Credit Program.

This was missing from the stimulus package.

One component, a jobs tax credit, became law for one year and generated more jobs in less time than any legislation in our history.

Two versions of the 2009 Report can be downloaded free at: aesopinstitute.org

The full Report contains a post Keynesian economic analysis.

The short version includes only what can be done and how Congress can do it.

A kick-start to the entire world economy will result from the near-term introduction of a never before commercialized source of energy, the Zero Point Field.

Zero Point Energy is abundant, renewable and inherently cost-competitive. It will power everything from cell phones to autos. These electric cars will need no batteries or recharge. Eventually, they can become power plants when parked, selling power wirelessly to the local utility. Cars, trucks and buses may be able to pay for themselves over a reasonable period of time. Who will not want to buy a fuel-free vehicle that can earn its keep? See The Brooklyn Project on the aesopinstitute.org site for more information.

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US Bankster Empire caused the global crash
Posted by: amacd on Feb 25, 2009 7:21 PM   
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It would seem to me that a substantial part of the instability and brewing social unrest in Europe, Japan, and elsewhere is probably associated with the European and Japanese ruling-elite's decision to cast their lot (and operating assumptions) in with the global ruling-elite 'corporate financial Empire' nominally headquartered in the US and utilizing what might be called the American consensus model for running a political economic empire under the guise of democracy.

While the US GINI index of income inequality (at 0.49 and rising fast) has shot up over the past several decades, and is now on a par only with South American 'banana republics', African dictatorships, and ME oil monarchies, Europe and particularly Japan (although still reasonable in GINI indexes between 0.23 and 0.31) have also increased markedly from their historically low and egalitarian levels.

What's really strange is that there has been no talk in the US 'Vichy' media about the rest of the world talking, starting to grumble, and even taking ‘action’ in the streets about this entire global financial mess being proximately caused by the US ‘banksters’ and financial Ponzi-artists selling those CDOs and other toxic 'un'securitized instruments and infecting the rest of the world. Nor has there been 'blowback' yet by European and Japanese populations constrained under the bridal of empire with higher inequality rates.

I would guess that well before people are starving in Europe, Japan, China, and the Middle East that many foreign governments will be telling their distraught citizens 'where the bear shits' ---- and that the particular bear most responsible for shitting-up the world is the US leading this trail toward unsustainable empire, high income inequality rates, and now economic collapse.

I would further predict that events, such as the reputed ‘summer of rage’ in the UK, and Japanese demonstrations for economic fairness, will be quickly twisted into the ‘us vs. them’ and “how dare they” spin which the FOX yellow press is famous for in the US. Already, in this inane, insane, incompetent, and enflamed Glenn ‘the dangerous baffoon’ Beck ‘hate hour’ on FOX’s “War Room” extravaganza of falsehoods, fears, flame-outs and flagellation is already getting the ‘war drums’ warmed up. However, the real nastiness will predictably start when these Goebblesque arsehoes at the fair & balanced liars at FOX wake-up and tune their hate toward the UK, Japan, Korea, France (OMG the damn French, with their universal health care should be target #1 for our nukes), Spain, Italy, etc. etc. China (I can already hear dear hate leader Beck shouting, those lousy commies, imagine the nerve of them wanting to actually be paid back for their loans”.)

Get ready for ‘hate minute’ diatribes that would make Orwell turn over in his grave, as FOX goes on a ‘war dance’ that will put millions in graves that would have been better used for Beck, Kudlow, Wallace, and that smarmy little Nazi, Gretchen.

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GOOGLEBBS
Posted by: screw_1 on Feb 27, 2009 12:06 AM   
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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Feb 28, 2009 12:46 PM   
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Great article but this was not so much a collapse as it was a Looting by the financial A..holes over a number of years. The effects of their actions just took a while to catch up, but these guys knew it would hit. Do not buy any stocks or bonds, let them bleed their money instead of ours.

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political philosophy
Posted by: jstuv on Feb 28, 2009 1:51 PM   
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In order to understand a political philosophy, take it to its final conclusion.

COMMUNISM: If everyone was compensated equally …and there is a grantee of employment, why would anyone work or innovate? COMMUNISM imploded.

FASCISM: If all dissenters were killed and all their possessions confiscated, how would the society continue? They would have to steal from and kill their own …which is what happened in 1944, 1945.

The TALIBAN: If Art and Entertainment were not permitted and all women subjugated; all dissenters killed, how would the society replenish itself?
They would die out eventually.

REPUBLICANISM: In order to maximize profit, all labor would be so minimally compensated that workers would practically be slaves. Wealth could only be inherited, as it would not be taxed. Elections would be perfunctory, as the outcome was already determined.

(The last country that tried that got defeated in Europe in WW II)

Is that the society you would want?

DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM: If all wealth and services were equally shared, but citizens have a say in their entire social and governmental structure, would there be a need to steal or for war and war profiteering?

You figure it out.

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ba
Posted by: mnstra on Feb 28, 2009 6:34 PM   
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Very good article. Does anybody know more about that money market run in the billions last September/?
9/11

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ba
Posted by: mnstra on Feb 28, 2009 6:45 PM   
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America is a failed state.What will it take for the people to revolt/? How much wealth has the finance industry stolen from American citizens/ ?Compared to the damage on 9/11, this recent robbery of the treasury is absolutely gigantic.We could have cleaned up the mess of the WTC attacks an moved on with a new sense of purpose to stop terrorizing the worlds poor an change our ways.To become a peaceful nation
There was never a need for this fleecing of our national wealth by the banking industry.
All we needed was good govt oversight the enactment of laws to protect the borrowers.
and constraints on capitol greed. But NO!We elect a corrupt congress and president who together do the bidding of the ruling elite to the destruction of the American way of life.
We will have to starve before Americans get off their collective asses and do something. We are in the majority!!!!!
Are we headed for a Mad Max world?

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capitalism hits the fan a socialist solution
Posted by: wjkolar on Feb 28, 2009 11:23 PM   
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Why liberals call for regulation will leave in place the means for those in power to bring us back here in the future as they did following the crash in the '30's.
Richard D. Wolff: Capitalism hits the fan: a socialist solution

http://vodpod.com/watch/1073336-richard-d-wolff-
capitalism-hits-the-fan-a-socialist-solution-links

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not only Marx .. but trotsky was right
Posted by: ghost in the machine on Mar 1, 2009 1:58 AM   
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''THE INSOLUBLE CONTRADICTION OF CAPITALISM ''. tHIS IS WHAT YOUR WITNESSING . AND ALL THE LEFT 'IDEALISTS'ARE NOW SQUIRMING TRYING TO GET THEIR HEADS ROUND IT . tHERE IS NO SPENDING THEIR WAY OUT OF THIS . aS THE CRISIS DEEPENS THE LAW OF VALUE WILL ASSERT ITS SELF FURTHER AND AS IT IN ESSENCE REPRESENTS A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PEOPLE , THAT RELATIONSHIP WILL BECOME STRESSED TO BREAKING POINT . fOR HUMANITY AS A WHOLE AND THAT INCLUDES THE CHILDREN OF THE RICH THE SOCIALISATION OF ''WORLD ECONOMY '' IS A NECCESSITY NOT AN OPTION.

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