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Obama, Please Be Smart About Afghanistan

By Robert Dreyfuss, TheNation.com. Posted February 17, 2009.


Amid swirling media rumors, the White House recently announced that Obama is still weighing his options on Afghanistan.

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Ed. Update: Obama has announced he has ordered an increase of  17,000 troops to Afghanistan.

Tuesday's Wall Street Journal suggests that if President Obama pursues his plans for stepping up the war in Afghanistan, he'll have to fall back on the support of "Bush Republicans and neocons." In its lead editorial, it says:

Already, canaries on the left are asking a la columnist Richard Reeves, "Why are we in Afghanistan?" The President's friends at Newsweek are helpfully referring to "Obama's Vietnam." Mr. Obama may find himself relying on some surprising people for wartime support -- to wit, Bush Republicans and neocons.

The Journal takes note of the growing opposition on the left to an escalation:

The regents are on the ground and commanders are crafting new battle plans: President Obama is girding for a war surge in Afghanistan. Let's hope he's willing to see it through when his most stalwart supporters start to doubt the effort and rue the cost.

In fact, a 60-day review is underway in the White House, and decisions haven't yet been set in stone about Obama's Afghan policy. How many troops he adds, if any -- whether the 10,000 or so that Obama proposed during the campaign or the 30,000 that the generals want -- isn't decided. There are calls for congressional hearings and oversight of Afghan policy. And bloggers, including yours truly, are raising questions and trying to create greater attention to the problem at Get Afghanistan Right.

Strangely, yesterday the White House announced that Obama will decide very soon about adding troops to the mix in Afghanistan. Said Robert Gibbs, Obama's spokesman: "I would expect the presidential decision could come shortly." Defense Secretary Gates, the Bush holdover, says that Obama will make a decision within "days." But why would the president decide to add forces before the completion of the strategy review. As I wrote earlier, it's a classic case of "Ready, Fire, Aim."

There are already widespread media reports about the arrival of 3,000 US forces in the area around Kabul. The Chicago Tribune headlines its report: "New U.S. troops in Afghanistan see combat." MSNBC's headline is: "3,000 troops near Kabul mark start of surge." Strictly speaking, these troops aren't the result of a decision by Obama, only the continuation of a beefing-up that was planned in late 2008. As MSNBC's report notes:

The new troops are the first wave of an expected surge of reinforcements this year. The process began to take shape under President George Bush but has been given impetus by President Barack Obama's call for an increased focus on Afghanistan.

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Robert Dreyfuss is the author of "Devil's Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam" (Henry Holt/Metropolitan Books).

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Obama might want that surge in America.....
Posted by: peridot on Feb 18, 2009 1:32 AM   
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As budgets shrink in American states and cities reducing police and emergency services, the greatest threat to our survival and safety is right in our own country. Can't this 'defense' money be better spent?

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It is all part of the 9/11 Hoax, and Alternet is part of it
Posted by: pfgetty on Feb 18, 2009 3:14 AM   
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We are in Afghanistan, supposedly, because 19 hijackers, controlled by bin Laden in Afghanistan, attacked us on 9/11. The story is so preposterous and full of holes and lies and contradictions, but it still is believed by most Americans. And so we are stuck with the results of this fairytale: wars, eternal occupations, Homeland Security and Patriot Acts, wiretapping, rendition, torture, etc etc.

Alternet is part of the conspiracy to keep this propaganda going, because it has long ago decided not to pursue any investigation into what really happened that fateful day. For seven long years it has never brought us the real questions, or answers, to the inconsistencies and contradictions of that day that prove the official story is bullshit. And it won't say why. It has even had articles that mocked the honest and responsible movement, the 9/11 truth movement, and made the movement look insidious and silly. What a sham! What a crime! It is treason, pure and simple.

Alternet, of course, is not alone. Along with the MSM, Amy Goodman, Counterpunch, antiwar.com, Commondreams, MotherJones, the Nation, and most of the rest of the Alternative media sites have done the same. Treason!

The biggest story of all time, and it is ignored. Instead these alternative media sources yap incessantly about the horrors that we now have because of 9/11. But nothing will change, and they know it, because as long as Bush/Cheyney can be seen to have been protecting us with these wars and shredding of the Constitution, this will continue. And, then, of course, Alternet can continue to pretend to be working to stop these injustices.

There is no hope for the future as long as the American people believe the official 9/11 story. The cabal of monsters that rule us will continue to control our lives. Alternet could change all that, but curiously, they don't seem to want to.

So very sad. Not for me.........I've got maybe a decade or two more to live. But our children and grandchildren will suffer long into the future. What a tragedy!

Alternet........is this what you really want?

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» Uh, wait a minute here . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» I agree. Posted by: Centavo
In a nutshell
Posted by: talkville on Feb 18, 2009 3:16 AM   
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The USA has been committed to imperial domination of the globe, base upon raw power and overwhelming force. Capital is committed to infinite expansion up, down, and all around.

Despite Obama, keep your ears trained to the ground -- if one listens closely, the drums of war are already beating.

Capital, and the minority of capitalists and their friends, are in an existential survival mode. Nostrums, mystifications and the media-supported maintenance of the atomization, disorganization and state of weakness of the majority will not make a bit of difference to them.

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» In a nutshell: well stated Posted by: kegbot1
Obama Is Part of the 9-11, Federal Reserve Bank Hoax
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Feb 18, 2009 3:50 AM   
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I too am sick that supposedly informed educated intelligent people keep talking as if 9/11 was not an inside job. 9/11 was most likely perpetrated by the CIA and Mossad with of course the logistical support of elements of the United States government and military.

George Bush told the Taliban in July 2001 that if they did not agree to allowing an American company construct the gas pipeline through Afghanistan that the United States would attack Afghanistan in October 2001. George knew in July 2001 that the fake terrorist attack would be taking place on September 11, 2001.

It is amazing to me that supposedly informed journalist keep talking as if reality was and is what George Bush had spouted for eight years.

Obama is speaking as if the war on terror is legitimate. He is signing a stimulus bill today that tells me that he is in the pocket of the private Central banking complex of the world. That of course includes the Federal Reserve Bank. He appointed the head of New York Federal Reserve Bank to head the Treasury Department. What else do you need to know.

Obama Is another pawn for the military-industrial oil private central banking complex.

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To all you stupid Obamabots out there, you "happy" now?
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Feb 18, 2009 4:03 AM   
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Nader, Paul, Mckinney, Barr, Baldwin, etc ... warned you fools about this but you Obamabots wouldn't listen ! Well don't come crying when one of your loved ones gets killed or seriously injured out there !

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» False Flag Attack Post! Posted by: Centavo
» ?!! Posted by: ellie
» I feel shame Posted by: kegbot1
» Me too! Posted by: pfgetty
» SD? South Dakota? Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: SD? South Dakota? Posted by: ellie
» Good for you! Posted by: pfgetty
Conspiracy to ignore is all it is...
Posted by: mikekimble on Feb 18, 2009 4:09 AM   
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The only conspiracy that I see is mainstream media totally ignoring the facts about 911; the same way as they did with the Kennedy assassinations. I would think that any intelligent person would have more difficulty believing the official explanation of 911 than most of the theories of what really happened that day. But hey, American Idol has a new round of losers and Lindsay may be breaking up with her girlfriend, so who has time for rational thought? Alternet is just following along with the other “news” services. I ask our president and Alternet, where’s the hope and change now?

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NOBAMA
Posted by: lorado on Feb 18, 2009 4:36 AM   
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is only doing what the Puppet-Masters command.

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Bankrupt
Posted by: Bushmaster on Feb 18, 2009 4:51 AM   
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It seems to me that Afghanistan was the lead weight on the Soviets that brought about the end of their empire.

What the U.S hasn't learned from that is likely to destroy our way of life completely.

I am no more afraid of terrorists from the middle east than I am afraid that LSD will drive me out of my mind. Both of the above mentioned concepts are the product of the U.S. propaganda machine.

We need to take another look at who is screwing up this world and divine the reasons why they are doing it and then make it stop.

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» RE: Bankrupt Posted by: willymack
Defense is 750 billion + industry
Posted by: MeyravLevine on Feb 18, 2009 4:56 AM   
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It ain't going away any time soon.

Obambi is feeding the gods of war that run America.

Afghanistan may indeed become the burial ground for the American Empire.

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Too big of a military -- and too much "can-do" spirit
Posted by: taxidriver on Feb 18, 2009 5:05 AM   
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Here's a different slant: Would we be doing this if our military was smaller? If we didn't keep a permanent Army and Marine Corps of 600K+, plus all of the National Guard and Reserves? A force this large encourages a policy of "let's try the military solution."

And the military is "can-do." They want to show they can "win," even though Afghanistan is rightly called "the graveyard of empires."

Look where a large military and "can-do" spirit got us in Vietnam ...

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The Drones
Posted by: US Citizen on Feb 18, 2009 5:24 AM   
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President Obama is continuing the use of sending unmanned drones over Pakistan to drop bombs on buildings, murdering the people including women and children who happen to be in the buildings at the time. At this point we don't know if it was Obama's fundamental mistake to retain Robert Gates or it is Obama's own lack that is responsible for these drone bombings.

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DO STIMULUS $$$ STIMULATE SURGE?
Posted by: americansheep on Feb 18, 2009 5:37 AM   
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We know what an absurd chunk of money is poured into the Pentagon empire military-industrial-complex. Yet, despite this massive money infusion, we have also been told that China has been financing our wars with loans. So where is the money coming from for surging in Afghanistan and droning death in Pakistan? We know China has 20 million unemployed, which may bring civil unrest and I hear are not giving out any loans, so... can it be that some of the stimulus money, and some of the bail-out money, is being secretly siphoned to fund the dollar sucking war machine? While my city hall is now closed on Fridays, and fire fighters and police officers are working one day less per week due to the crunch, and the state is cutting programs right and left, our money is being spent on the other side of the planet to kill, maim and destroy.

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Stop and think
Posted by: jebpgh on Feb 18, 2009 5:55 AM   
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The President needs to take a breath and re-think why we are there. The initial mission was never completed. That should be the military and intelligence service's priority -- find the remaining leadership of al Qaeda and destroy them. Then he needs to turn to the UN and promise to support a nation building strategy that is led by the UN - and not the US. The Taliban are not a threat to our national security and never have been. A brokered solution in Afghanistan is going to include them and we don't want to be the ones doing the brokering.

I'm very afraid that he will not do this and that he will pursue a nation-building agenda there which is doomed to fail. All too familiar.

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» RE: Stop and think again . . . Posted by: dustdevil
Good Morning Vietnam!
Posted by: keymanwst on Feb 18, 2009 6:33 AM   
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Here we go again folks. How do you like your new president now? We invaded Afghanistan because we were attacked by 19 Arabs with box cutters, RIGHT? ----RIGHT? Come on now--get with the program.
The mighty Soviet Union was utterly destroyed by its involvement in Afghanistan and we are next. Mr. Obama had to agree to this deal with Cheney and the Joint Chiefs, in order to get elected (and in order to continue breathing). The deal was, you can pull out of Iraq, sorta, but you got to go deeper into Afghanistan on our orders--as we wish.
We are sooo doomed people. So doomed.

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» RE: Good Morning Vietnam! Posted by: PaulK
Deja Vu (all over again)
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Feb 18, 2009 7:22 AM   
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Recently a Senator, a new Democratic president takes office with some ambitious ideas about reforming domestic America. But there is a little war that has been simmering for some time and the new president sees it as an opportunity to demonstrate that he can be tough. He sends in a few more troops and assumes the war as his own.

Hmmm,... it seems too familiar somehow. Was this was a movie I saw some time, years ago?

No, I remember now!

This was Lyndon Johnson and it was the Vietnam war in its early stages. In the end it destroyed his presidency and greatly limited what he could accomplish on the domestic side.

Please tell me it's not happening again. Please tell me that the consequences won't be even worse this time.

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The Community Organizer Starts a "Surge"!
Posted by: tony12000 on Feb 18, 2009 7:50 AM   
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Well, he promised to send more troops -- but they were supposedly coming from Iraq, not North Carolina. Oh well. Another broken promise. It's like a stuck record. Here's NAFTA letdown as well: Chill Out, Canada: Despite Tough Campaign Rhetoric Obama Will Not Touch NAFTA

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Obama is just fulfilling his campaign promises...why are you so surprised???
Posted by: DCostello2 on Feb 18, 2009 8:04 AM   
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Obama told you all along he was going to send more troops to Afghanistan. Why is everyone so surprised? Oh, did you somehow believe the crap about him being an anti-war President? Did you really??? Shame on you, he never said any such thing. If you read his books and looked at his voting record you shouldn't have been surprised at all. Obama believes in America's RIGHT to rule the world. Obama, for all his O-blah-blahing, has never met a war bill he hasn't voted in favor of. And don't look now but he's preparing for war with Pakistan and Iran as well.

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The Idiot Brigade
Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com on Feb 18, 2009 8:50 AM   
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I am reflecting on all the above posts. In the upper percentage the writers are most definitly
anti american blowhards and the rest are simply kneejerk dimwits. Obama may be struggling to get a grip on what is clearly a pending world catastrophy, but you nattering nabobs of negativity are only part of the problem, and certainly offer no viable solutions. Why not spend a little more time in constructive thinking and less in bile soaked destructive blathering?

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» RE: Speaking of idiots Posted by: DCostello2
» RE: The Idiot Brigade Posted by: mikekimble
The Real Reasons We Are in Afghanistan
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Feb 18, 2009 9:11 AM   
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Sure I know about the history of the Pipeline projects planned over 3 years before 9/11 - but that still in itself didn't provide a full answer. So I did a google search on the above phrase.

I came up with http://forum.kucinich.us/index.php?topic=668.0

I thought well I have a hell of a lot of respect for Kucinich - maybe I will find the answer there - but that topic has been deleted - or is inaccessible - but is still available in Google cache - so I clicked on cached and got this

This contains some very interesting stuff - but by far the best analysis I have found are these two videos by Webster Tarpley The Men behing Barak Obama.
If the financial crash doesn't frighten you to hell - then this stuff should. It seems completely objective to me without political bias - though because of the nature of humans and tribal support for their political group - Obama supporters are unlikely to see it that way. However - just look at what is actually happenning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H02w1bp4TcU

video 1



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs68T-tO4QQ

video 2

"In this interview, conducted by Deep Journal before the 4 November elections, Webster Tarpley expounds on the topic of his recently published book "Obama, The Postmodern Coup,The Making of a Manchurian Candidate". Does Obama represent a real change or is it the same old imperialism with cosmetic surgery?

Tarpley argues that there is more to Obama than his charismatic appearance. Exit the "neo-cons", the real power behind the throne is now Zbigniew Brzezinski whose policies, he claims, are far more dangerous and insane. There will be an immediate shift in the hit-list of countries, starting with Pakistan, widely expanding the theatre of war operations in the pursuit of a global geostrategic agenda where Russia and China are the ultimate targets. Tarpley foresees a catastrophic outcome for the entire world should Brzezinskis plans be allowed to go through. Whether his views are correct for now is a matter of opinion and remains to be seen, but for the public debate it is relevant to take note of his facts and arguments. It would nevertheless appear that, so far, his analysis is being borne out by the recent developments in South West Asia."

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TERRORISM IS AN OLD TERM
Posted by: Dennis St. John on Feb 18, 2009 9:52 AM   
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Terrorism is a term going back to WWII and beyond. It's non-descript enough to be applied to just about any conflict, as in the terrorism perpetrated by the Nazis against England with the V2 rockets.

14 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 came from Saudi Arabia. Remember when all airplane flights were grounded in this country except for those airplanes rounding up Saudis and sending them home? Ground zero was a crime scene, but the FBI were precluded from questioning any Saudis.

Although Osama bin Laden was an American ally against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan, his only demand has been for all foreign troops to leave the Muslim holy lands of the Middle East. We should try that first.

Afghanistan will prove to be nothing more than a killing field and the military adventurism there is doomed to fail.

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Appearences can be deceiving, but NOBODY'S perfect
Posted by: willymack on Feb 18, 2009 10:08 AM   
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It appears President Obama is strangely naive-nay, ignorant-regarding some of our most pressing issues. A few come to mind:
1. Afghanistan. A finantial and military black hole if there ever was one. Alexander the Great, the mighty British Empire, and the even more mighty Soviet war machine all failed there. Anyone who thinks we're a special case and will succeed where the others failed is delusional, in my mind.
2."Bipartisanship". There are two diametricly opposed opinions here. The rethugs' version is the caving in to their bellicose posturing., while the Democrats' version incorrectly supposes that the rethugs are good people. Most of us have learned the sad truth of that.
3. Obama has climbed aboard the same old merry-go-round, espoused by the "energy" companies, with his apparent enthusiasm for "clean" coal. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CLEAN COAL, period, and, finally:
4. The emphasis on the economy is nothing more or less than a smokescreen which accomplishes two things, namely, the continued theft of our national treasure by some of the worst criminals ever to walk this Earth, and the continuation of the brutal occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan by an out-of-control military monster.

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The Ironic Thing is That Financial Collapse Maybe The Only Thing To Save Us From These Psychopaths
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Feb 18, 2009 10:53 AM   
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In Control.

My hope that Obama might be a change towards turning the World in a peaceful, sustainable direction is rapidly fading.

Sure, I gave him the benefit of the doubt about his team - most of who'm appear just as extreme as the neocon crazies. I had a hope that he might use these attack dogs to attack the attack dogs

But it looks increasingly like the Obama administration might turn out to be even more extreme than the Bush/Cheney team

Sure - I thought that impossible. How could anything be worse than that bunch of crazies

Yet since they were effectively deposed - even before Obama was elected - the attack on Pakistan started

Even Cheney thought that was completely insane

I thought Cheney was the most evil person in the World

Just shows how naive I was at estimating human being's (determined to achieve power) capability for evil really is

They are going to destroy human life on this planet unless we analyse exactly what they are trying to achieve - and complain

Just a few Evil Men are in Control of Us

Tony

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False Profits
Posted by: maxsmart on Feb 18, 2009 11:32 AM   
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Occupying someone elses country is futile unless you want to commit the men and money to stay there forever. The truly distressing thing is that we have turned the country into a quagmire even worse than Iraq just because we wanted to lure the Soviets into their own Vietnam and we were willing to use these people and their country for our own selfish ends. The helping freedom fighters is just so much BS and I can well imagine that the people over there know just exactly what we have done to them, it is just us that are unable to see it. The Cold War curdled our hearts and terrorized us with paranoia and we need to come to our senses before we spend ourselves silly and start another paranoid preemptive war that backfires on us even worse.

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a good case study in optimism, hope and how things do NOT change just cuz you wish for it
Posted by: DaBear on Feb 18, 2009 11:59 AM   
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Brilliant article in light of the Editor's note at the top that 'Bama just ordered 17K more poor-kids to their demise, BEFORE a strategic review is concluded.

Hope keeps you mired in the shitstorm that bought your ass. Change isn't possible just because you hope for it. No matter what Oprah Winfey, Dr. Phil and all the owning class craptastics swear up and down about, it's all horseshit. When you gonna wake up, Merkuh?

1789.

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Squandering hundreds of billions on Afghan quagmire makes no sense
Posted by: Garvagh on Feb 18, 2009 7:37 PM   
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Let Iran, Russia and China work out how best to calm down the insurgency in Afghanistan. The US needs to be thinking about leaving.

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Afganistan
Posted by: koolwoman on Feb 18, 2009 10:52 PM   
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President Obama, Please cut your losses and bring our soldiers home. This is an unwinable war. Do not let the generals deceive you, in order to make themselves plausible. No more deaths and no more money thrown down this abyss

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Derrecho DeVia
Posted by: Derrecho DeVia on Feb 19, 2009 12:06 AM   
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Pipelines? Sure. Campaign promises? Well, there’s a reason behind that. I’m completely opposed the ANY US troops in Afghanistan. Some comments touched on some important things, such as economic devastation. This is very similar to when Carter and Brzezinski “tricked” the USSR into doing. Look what happened to them. In the long run we WILL collapse if we spend anymore time and resources there. I think people are forgetting one thing that plays a major part in this. The “war on drugs.” Remember when Bush first invaded Afghanistan and the Northern Alliance was free now to run the drugs? All of Street was delighted. Now that the Taliban has taken back power – well, that hurts Wall Street. There is much evidence that Wall Street depends on the drug trade. No amount of bailouts could prevent Wall Street from collapsing without it. How can an administration that has publicly put the economy as its first priority not protect Wall Street? It just wouldn’t work. Hopefully this will be short termed. If you think I’m on a conspiracy theory course, the information is out there.

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