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Is the Stimulus Package Too Watered Down to Get Us Anywhere?

By John Nichols, TheNation.com. Posted February 11, 2009.


The next few days will be exceptionally difficult for members of Congress who are serious about renewing the economy.

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Skeptical citizens might inquire: How does a Senate stimulus bill that was trimmed to eliminate "waste" (like school construction money that would create jobs in communities across the country) and "pork" (like funding to prepare for a pandemic that would bring a sputtering economy to a complete halt) end up costing almost $20 billion more than a supposedly spendthrift House plan?

The answer, of course, is that the tepid stimulus plan passed Tuesday by the Senate with a "bipartisan" 61-37 majority was not trimmed down to hold the line on spending. It was restructured to cut stimulus allocations by $108 million while dramatically increasing tax cuts -- at the behest of Republican Senators Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and the Democrats with whom these alleged moderates cut a deal to pass the stalled bill.

That fact is what will make the next few days exceptionally difficult for members of Congress who are serious about renewing the economy -- as opposed to playing politics.

The $838 billion Senate bill will have to be reconciled with the more modest $819 billion House bill.

Smart economists will tell you that neither the House or Senate figures are likely to be sufficient to genuinely jumpstart an economy that sheds more jobs, shutters more business and loses more in the way of consumer confidence with each passing day.

But the extent to which the final legislation will have a stimulative effect has yet to be determined.

If House Democrats, who passed an imperfect but more appropriately focused measure, embrace the changes made in the Senate, they will undermine prospects for renewal.

If House Democrats refuse to accept the Senate measure and instead demand the restoration of spending for school construction, bailing out the states, aiding Head Start and Early Start programs and guarding against a potentially devastating pandemic, they could still make a serious dent in the crisis.

There are signs that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, who has grumbled about the school cuts, and Appropriations Committee chair David Obey, the Wisconsin Democrat who essentially wrote the House bill, are prepared to push back.

There are also signs that responsible Democrats in the House will have to battle conservative "Blue Dog Democrats" -- some of whom voted against the House bill several weeks ago, and others who have signaled a sympathy with the Senate compromises.

And what of the Obama White House? The president, who is struggling to be two things at once -- "post-partisan" and effective -- is going to have to make some choices. If he just wants a bill, he can probably lean on the House to get something similar to the Senate plan passed. If he wants a good bill, he will have to help the House push back and lean on some more senators to get serious about what Obama correctly describes as the most serious economic downturn since the Great Depression.


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The Stimulus Plan Won't Work ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 11, 2009 1:03 AM   
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Over 40% is tax cuts ... Tax cuts return very little stimulus to the economy, less than a dollar for every dollar spent ... Many of the tax cuts will never be taken as they are for "new" jobs, jobs that will never be created in time to take the tax relief.

The worst part about these tax cut proposals is that it continues the myth that tax cuts are a good stimulus when they aren't, and these tax cuts will take the money needed for programs to help real people get through this recession soon to be a depression.

Second these "projects will take months if not over a year to get money into the economy. The CBO estimates most won't take hold for 18 months! Our economy will be a smoldering crater by then.

We are in deep caca doodoo my friends ... this so called stimulus won't work and when it doesn't stimulus through fiscal policy will be forever tagged by the Republicans as a method that just doesn't work.

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» You're absolutely right.... Posted by: georgiaorwell
» List of State-level budget cuts Posted by: Defenestrator
It's a down payment
Posted by: ender on Feb 11, 2009 1:13 AM   
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Don't be fooled: this is the first of many stimulus packages. It has to be because it is just not big enough.

There's been what, $6T or $12T lost? Can't make up for a $6 trillion dollar loss with a $1 trillion dollar stimulus package.

This package is supposed to create what, 2 million jobs? That's about how much has already been lost in the last few months and does not count the millions who are still unemployed or underemployed since 9/11.

Yes, I said 9/11. Maybe YOU had a recovery during the Bush years - and if you watch Fox News you might even believe that one occurred - but for those of us who reside in reality, the economy has been in the shitter since 9/11.

Even if the money is spent in the best possible way, what kind of ratio how do you suppose each dollar spent will generate in recovery? Two to one? Three to one?

It's a down payment. The only problem is that it will make the next stimulus package - which must be MUCH larger than this one - that much harder to sell to the public, to our nation's lenders and to the Repugnicans who listen to a fat drug addict with his own talk show (who has somehow avoided jail time for his drug crimes).

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» Reboot indeed Posted by: Fog
Kicking and Screaming
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Feb 11, 2009 2:16 AM   
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The media is dragging the agenda to the right, AGAIN. The argument has gone from "should we spend a DIME on bailing out the perps?" to "is one trillion dollars enough or should we give them three trillion?"


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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individuals
Posted by: mwildfire on Feb 11, 2009 4:52 AM   
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Seems to me this likely comes down to specific individuals--first the people who form the Senate and House committee to reconcile the two versions--I haven't heard anything about who will be on that committee--and secondly, the three centrist republicans who allowed this compromise version to pass and who have apparently said they won't vote for a final version that looks different. And here's the thing--two are from Maine, and are the last Republicans in New England. Lincoln Chaffee was as liberal as most Democrats and still got replaced by a Democrat recently. How likely are Snowe and the other two to retain their seats if they block a badly-needed stimulus bill because it contains too much stimulus and not enough tax cuts? Tax cuts may be popular but we've had quite a lot of them the past 8 years and they have not helped the economy. So I think it may be proper for the Dems to call the centrist Repubs' bluff. But Obama and others have to be aggressive and tireless about taking their case to the American people.

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Tax cuts for who?
Posted by: xvictor on Feb 11, 2009 4:57 AM   
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The polls are divided over this fiscal stimulus. Half wants tax cuts. However, who wants these tax cuts? Corporations virtually pay no taxes. The Repugs demanded middle class tax cuts slammed off the table. Low income folks don't pay taxes. So the ones who favor tax cuts are...who? Certainly, tax cuts would favor the wealthy Repugs in Congress.

Btw, I'm not in favor of the stimulus bill. It's skewed in favor of tax cuts for who knows who anyway and will do nothing but add to the burdensome gov't deficit.

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» Good point, but there's more Posted by: ReallyBearish
» RE: Good point, but there's more AND... Posted by: photon's feather
It's getting to be nothing more than a Raygun/Dubya style tax cuts for the wealthy/corporate elite.
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Feb 11, 2009 4:58 AM   
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And I don't expect the package to get any better. Besides, they could have just broken this stupid package into seperate issue bills and we wouldn't be stuck with more pork barrel spending and tax cuts mainly for the already well-to-do and businesses that gut their workers and ship those jobs overseas. Enjoy your chump change, folks !

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There's more pork barrel in the bill than there is real aid to help the afflicted.
Posted by: superfeduphoosier on Feb 11, 2009 6:57 AM   
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Very little to help the economically mugged folks or even the troops and yet more money to overdecorate public buildings and fake lawns and giving Big Nuclear more subsidies. Say hello to Ronnie's 8th term !

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» Good point Posted by: ReallyBearish
The Senate stimulus contains a $50 billion bailout of the nuclear industry
Posted by: PaulK on Feb 11, 2009 7:43 AM   
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This makes the stimulus about as "green" as a pig in algae. Go to your favorite antinuclear website, then write your senators.

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» Thanks PaulK for bringing this up. Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
A screw job in pigs clothing with O-blah-blah leading the charge
Posted by: DCostello2 on Feb 11, 2009 11:02 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Make no mistake, the 'stimulus' is just another screw job designed to separate people from their money. It wasn't enough that the rich controlled the vast majority of the assets, they want ALL of them. We're so screwed it's not funny. The middle class in America, what little is left, is on the verge of extinction. We're in the process of getting a multi-generational screw job here.

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It's the 75 ft rope in the 100 ft deep hole
Posted by: DaBear on Feb 11, 2009 11:28 AM   
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Somebody said it yesterday about the political "centrism" at play in this mess and it was fucking brilliant. The stimulus plan is like a 75 foot rope when you're stuck down in a 100 ft deep hole.

Thanks 'Merkuh. You've fucked yourself yet again. And from those of us trampled in the mud by all those middlings that just fell on top of us down in the bottom of that god damned hole, we just wanna express our gratitude by saying, watch yer ass rich boyz. We know where you live.

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» More like a 200 ft deep hole. Posted by: superfeduphoosier
Hey! Stimulate Me!
Posted by: willymack on Feb 11, 2009 11:55 AM   
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I'm a cheap date; a million or so would do the trick.

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Republicans are Insane
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Feb 12, 2009 8:51 AM   
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Albert Einstein is said to have defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result.

By this definition, gamblers at slot machines certainly qualify as insane. Republican congressmen and senators also qualify, always passing tax cuts and expecting economic good to come from their action, not seeming to recognize that it never has.

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Senate Democrats Have to Get Serious
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Feb 12, 2009 9:12 AM   
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In the 1996-1998 period, Senate Republicans filibustered more times than either party filibustered before in any comparable period of history. Their agenda appeared to be to prevent any legislation passing and so make the voters blame the Democratic Party that was in the majority; they were somewhat successful in that effort though it did them little good.

Not to let that enter their thinking now, the Senate Republicans seem bent on repeating the same kind of mischief again during the next two years and probably so long as Democrats have the majority.

Senate Democrats need to get serious about reigning in the abuse of the filibuster by Republicans. Republicans showed how easy this is to do during their effort to approve Bush's nomination of Alito to the Supreme Court. In response to a Democratic effort to filibuster, Republicans simply threatened to do away with the filibuster altogether. Democrats, fearing the loss of their only claim to power just folded and allowed the nomination to go through.

There are other ways to reign in the power of the filibuster. One way that has been proposed is to simply go back to the old ways of the Senate and require the Republicans to actually have to stand, 24 hours a day, literally extending the debate. That would at least be good theater, probably embarrassing the Senators who are so publicly holding up the work of the Senate.

Another approach would be to allow some filibusters to take place but to limit their number in an effort to avoid the capricious abuse that Republicans have demonstrated in the last two years. A proposal along these lines can be found here.

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