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Why Our War in Afghanistan May Mean the End of American Empire

By Tom Engelhardt, Tomdispatch.com. Posted February 6, 2009.


Failing to heed history and reality in Afghanistan, we may very well disappear into the superpower dustbin like Russia.

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It is now a commonplace -- as a lead article in the New York Times's Week in Review pointed out recently -- that Afghanistan is "the graveyard of empires." Given Barack Obama's call for a greater focus on the Afghan War ("we took our eye off the ball when we invaded Iraq..."), and given indications that a "surge" of U.S. troops is about to get underway there, Afghanistan's dangers have been much in the news lately. Some of the writing on this subject, including recent essays by Juan Cole at Salon.com, Robert Dreyfuss at the Nation, and John Robertson at the War in Context website, has been incisive on just how the new administration's policy initiatives might transform Afghanistan and the increasingly unhinged Pakistani tribal borderlands into "Obama's War."

In other words, "the graveyard" has been getting its due. Far less attention has been paid to the "empire" part of the equation. And there's a good reason for that -- at least in Washington. Despite escalating worries about the deteriorating situation, no one in our nation's capital is ready to believe that Afghanistan could actually be the "graveyard" for the American role as the dominant hegemon on this planet.

In truth, to give "empire" its due you would have to start with a reassessment of how the Cold War ended. In 1989, which now seems centuries ago, the Berlin Wall came down; in 1991, to the amazement of the U.S. intelligence community, influential pundits, inside-the-Beltway think-tankers, and Washington's politicians, the Soviet Union, that "evil empire," that colossus of repression, that mortal enemy through nearly half a century of threatened nuclear MADness -- as in "mutually assured destruction" -- simply evaporated, almost without violence. (Soviet troops, camped out in the relatively cushy outposts of Eastern Europe, especially the former East Germany, were in no more hurry to come home to the economic misery of a collapsed empire than U.S. troops stationed in Okinawa, Japan, are likely to be in the future.)

In Washington where, in 1991, everything was visibly still standing, a stunned silence and a certain unwillingness to believe that the enemy of almost half a century was no more would quickly be overtaken by a sense of triumphalism. A multigenerational struggle had ended with only one of its super-participants still on its feet.

The conclusion seemed too obvious to belabor. Right before our eyes, the USSR had miraculously disappeared into the dustbin of history with only a desperate, impoverished Russia, shorn of its "near abroad," to replace it; ergo, we were the victors; we were, as everyone began to say with relish, the planet's "sole superpower." Huzzah!

Masters of the Universe

The Greeks, of course, had a word for it: "hubris." The ancient Greek playwrights would have assumed that we were in for a fall from the heights. But that thought crossed few minds in Washington (or on Wall Street) in those years.

Instead, our political and financial movers and shakers began to act as if the planet were truly ours (and other powers, including the Europeans and the Japanese, sometimes seemed to agree). To suggest at the time, as the odd scholar of imperial decline did, that there might have been no winners and two losers in the Cold War, that the weaker superpower had simply left the scene first, while the stronger, less hollowed out superpower was inching its way toward the same exit, was to speak to the deaf.

In the 1990s, "globalization" -- the worldwide spread of the Golden Arches, the Swoosh, and Mickey Mouse -- was on all lips in Washington, while the men who ran Wall Street were regularly referred to, and came to refer to themselves, as "masters of the universe."


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Tom Engelhardt, editor of Tomdispatch.com, is co-founder of the American Empire Project and author of The End of Victory Culture.

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The "Masters of the Universe" Have Been Listening to Too Much Hawkwind.
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Feb 6, 2009 3:45 AM   
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They actually believed they were creating wealth as a result of their apparent profits and real massive bonuses they were paying themselves.

But they were actually a Sink - and bleeding the system dry. You can't create any wealth in a casino - its an illusion - just a game - just entertainment.

The only way to create wealth is to dig something out of the Earth and manufacture something useful with it - say a wheel or a road or a house - or plant something in the earth and grow something useful - say food.

All other human activity has a cost - it is like an energy Sink rather than a source of wealth or power.

Some activities are necessary like commercial banks lending money to businesses.

But investment banking - ie running enormous casinos is neither necessary or desirabe. Neither is War and creating Weapons of Mass Destruction.

People in power need to completely reasses what exactly they are trying to achieve. They need to go back to square one and think objectively about everything.

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The Soviet Union didn't demise because of the cost of Afghanistan...
Posted by: Hans B on Feb 6, 2009 4:30 AM   
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or, for that matter, because of the cost of responding to Reagan's star wars program, as the neocons would have it. These "costs" consisted of transferring rubles from one government sector to another. Nothing a self-respecting tyranny can't do.

The Soviet Union had opened up, its citizens (and those of its satellites) had learned how people elsewhere lived, and tyrannical responses - to the cost of a war, or to a domestic protest - had become more and more difficult to perform. Ultimately the Soviet Union ceased to exist because no one liked it, not even - or especially not - its citizens.

Yugoslavia disappeared without any assistance from an expensive war. As in Russia, increased freedom led to increased confusion and to a temporary power gap quickly exploited by "regional nationalists" (Serbs in Yugoslavia, Russians in the USSR), whose dream was to build the nation on the ashes of the commonwealth.

I'm a great fan of Tom Engelhardt, but I don't agree with his assessment on the risks of Afghanistan (although I do agree that the sooner NATO pulls out, the better). If empires fail soon after an Afghan adventure, that doesn't necessarily mean the failure was caused by the war. It can also be that failing empires tend to overreach, like old stars blazing into supernovas. The British empire's military force was hopelessly overextended, and it was this overextension, not the Afghan campaign which was but a symptom of it, that was unsustainable. The Soviet Union would have come done one way or another too.

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And it's getting worse
Posted by: taxidriver on Feb 6, 2009 5:18 AM   
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President Obama wants to enlarge the Army and Marines by roughly 90,000 troops total. So, instead of trying to shrink our imperial commitments, it appears we're only going to expand them.

Sending more troops to Afghanistan is not the answer. The country will simply swallow them up.

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» Don't forget military contractors. Posted by: Wayne Etheridge
The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it
Posted by: johnorford on Feb 6, 2009 6:16 AM   
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The idea of a clumsy, ill-disciplined, over-equipped army defeating Pashtun tribesmen is a bit of a giggle. They have had their lands split in two by the Durand line that the Wise Men of the world say will endure until the Day of Judgment and they'll fight anyone who wants to keep it like that. If my history is right, the last person to win a war in Afghanistan was Alexander the Great.

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» No, I don't believe so Posted by: finch
Blah-blah-blah War will be the end of the American Empire !
Posted by: Wayne Etheridge on Feb 6, 2009 7:28 AM   
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And yet we'll all be a bunch of dumb fucks voting to elect the same old pols of both parties. I started voting 3rd party starting in 1992 for that reason alone and wished others would open up to it and quit living in this silly fear of the need to "choose the lesser of the evils". Boy do we need 3rd parties now more than ever and even more so year after year.

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Soldiers
Posted by: getty17 on Feb 6, 2009 7:51 AM   
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One thing is certain: our soldiers are dying.
Reports show that this past January, the number of suicide deaths of American soldiers outnumber the number of soldiers who died in combat in Afghanistan and Iraq.
suicide rates out of control

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» RE: Soldiers Posted by: tony_opmoc
Apples and kumquats
Posted by: SlyGuy on Feb 6, 2009 7:52 AM   
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In that both USSR and USA are overly devoted to and dependent on militarism, there are parallels. I agree with comment that USSR did not solely wreck on the shoals of a failed military intervention in Afghanistan. Neither will the USA. That said, there are good points in the article.

Prolonged commitment to an economy based on war material, upper class rape of the economy, and DC politicians along for the ride, that's a recipe for collapse from within. Empire grows from hubris and a lack of understanding of our place in the world. It will self-destruct for many of the same reasons, taking millions of hapless, helpless victims with it.

Empire of Debt. Read it.

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dipconsult
Posted by: dipconsult on Feb 6, 2009 7:59 AM   
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Of course G W Bush's occupation of Iraq ended any real possibility of US success in Afghanistan - he lost (as ex-Brit-Forsec Robin Cook warned he would) the astonishing political and financial support of the world after '9/11' - and also the dynamic for early success. [See our website www.dipconsult.eu - demoting Afghanistan was, in 2002, our own No 1 reason for not invading Iraq].

But Afghanistan has one thing going for it:- all its riparian neighbours (notably Pakistan, Iran, and China), plus Russia, India, the Muslim states, Europe, Turkey etc etc. have a major interest in its stability.

So - while trying to "hold the fort" militarily, the US must, (in humility now) launch a major diplomatic campaign to turn this worldwide national interest into solid backing (diplomatic and financial) for an Afghan settlement. Very difficult - but just possible. American troop withdrawal would be one "carrot" on offer.

One major point - if pressed hard by the other key countries - Iran and Pakistan could, if acting together together achieve lot towards stabilising Afghanistan.

Yes - it all depends on the US ending the neo-con dream of American world hegemony (that ill-starred Project for a New American Century) and embarking on the new era of international cooperation that the world needs and which has been possible since the end of the Cold War.

Despite Taliban successes, the Afghans themselves for the most part don't want the Taliban back - at least not in its old form (which it is now exhibiting). That can be built on if "collateral damage" can be ended.

And an international fund for development, if intelligently organised, could do a lot to split the Taliban - some leaders wanting a piece of a real cake rather than a return to their pre 2001 ideological deariness.

So much common interest could perhaps lead, after a truly extensive diplomatic campaign - to an Afghan version of the Congress of Vienna - a humbled US taking the part of Napoleonic France. Don't forget Talleyrand's diplomacy won a great deal for defeated Revolutionary France just 200 years ago!

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Afghanistan was the Ploy and the Bait
Posted by: Purple Girl on Feb 6, 2009 8:11 AM   
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Not only has it been the gateway for the foot in the door for the march across Oil rich M.E. countries, it's been the means to an end in the quest to destroy USA.
It works as a launching point for the fantasy attack on Iran,which would not only gain more land for the Oil royals, but provoke the Christian Jihadist deluded fantasy of 'End of Days'. If that failed just sucking every last resource out of US to wage this feudal war would assure Our Economy would be degraded to that of a 3rd world nation- Plan B.Add a little manufacturing depletion and wage stagnation, inequilty in trade policies along the way. And if that wasn't moving fast enough employ the fiancial industry to leverage out our capital to the point of implosiion- Plan C. Brilliant!
The imperialist Royalist party isn't in 'Exile' they've just slitered back under their rock, back into the shadows to continue their covert operation of destroying the pesky ideology of Democracy and Free Market.But these Red Coats don't just work within the confines of the Repug party, they have Blue lap dogs to help to return the Rebellious Americans back to submission. Family Crest and Logos are one in the Same when living in a Feudalistic caste system.
Afghanistan was nothing more than another way to undermine the Strength of what our Founders created.Just another point of hemmorage to assure we bleed out to ultimately be served up at their Logo'ed masters Banquet table.

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What dustbin?
Posted by: Old Skeptic on Feb 6, 2009 9:25 AM   
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In case no one had been paying attention, Russia has been climbing out of that dustbin for several years now. Their vast reserves of oil and gas still make them a major player, and they are learning to use those resources to their advantage. What do we have to counter with? Investment advice from Bernie Madoff?

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Let Russia, Kazahkstan, Iran and China deal with Afghanistan
Posted by: Garvagh on Feb 6, 2009 10:42 AM   
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Why should the US spend hundreds of billions of dollars on the Afghanistan fiasco? Iran and Russia are far, far closer to the scene, as are the other predominantly Muslim former Soviet republics in Central Asia. The US is too often seen. quite rightly, as the enemy of Islam, due to the murderous military adventures of Israel that are explicitly backed unconditionally by the US. The Iraq War catastrophe was partly the result of a scheme to "protect" Israel by hijacking an oil-rich country that could then be an ally of Israel in confronting other "enemies". Hamas and Hezbollah are not enemies of the US, and like Iraq pose no threat to the US, yet the Israel lobby convinces gullible Americans that the US is under threat from enemies that are Israel's due to its idiotic effort to retain the West Bank and the Golan Heights.

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Sure Sign That The Citiwankers are BUST
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Feb 6, 2009 11:36 AM   
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opmoc - 6 Feb'09 - 19:21 - 3871 of 3871 edit

Sure Sign That The CitiWANKERS Are BUST

Today I tried to buy a few things online using my Credit Card

Cos I don't Trust The Fucking Companies Not To Go Bust Before They Deliver

And After the transactions had been approved - I get forwarded to a Citiwanker page asking for my PIN number

Don't give anyone your PIN number - not even your wife - in fact especially not your wife

But certainly don't give anyone your PIN Number online

It is like an invitation to Every 13 Year old hacker in the World how to completely clean you out

Fuckers

I have done several courses in Security and thought Chip and Pin was an abortion before it was enforced by These Fucking WANKERS

Go Fuck Yourselves

Tony

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You Might Think Lemmy is a Total Cunt
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Feb 6, 2009 3:27 PM   
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But I met him playing the Games Machine at the back of the Marquee in Soho

I didn't fall on my knees and try to suck his cock

I mean - he was personally responsible for some of my highest exctasies - particularly seeing Motorhead at the Deeside Leisure Centre - with a Lovely New Girlfriend

I was completely out of my skull - and going the long way home along the Motorways - and trying to keep the road focussed and listening to Magnum

You see the thing is I had been on the dole for several months and couldn't get a job in the North of England

But had been offerred a job contracting in London - and I had accepted it...

But we weren't crying in happinness we were crying because we both realised that if I took the job in London it would be the end of our relationship.

We loved each other but had only been together a few weeks.

So I kissed her goodbye

And the next morning phoned up the contracting agency and said sorry - I can't accept the job

They said you can't pull out now - you have already agreed

I said I may have agreed with you - but I am not going to turn up - get used to it

They said well if you don't accept this you will never get another job in London

I said

FUCK YOU

And went to see my Girlfriend

She said

You Are Supposed To Be in London

Ad so WE were 10 months later

And she has just told me

Can you do us a hot water bottle Love?

Lemmy is completely lovely - or he was when he was living on his houseboat on the River Thames

I don't think the LA Girls can have changed him that much.

Tony

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Truelass
Posted by: Truelass on Feb 6, 2009 8:38 PM   
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My British great grandfather won the Afghanistan Kandahar Medal for fighting against the Taliban with the Seaforth Highlanders. That was in 1895! What makes Obama think he can win thiss century old war or does he just believe in bullshit that the US is known for world-wide?

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nothing is more unpredictable & prone to mindless destruction
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Feb 7, 2009 8:36 AM   
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...than a frightened, wounded predator.

when Amerikkka realizes its been punished for its corruption & fraud... & decades of aggression & dominance.

its going to lose its already scrambled, collective mind.


"WE WANT OUR CHEEZIE POOFS!!!"




perspective, people.


Perspective.

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