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It's Not Going to Be OK

By Chris Hedges, Truthdig. Posted February 4, 2009.


The economic crisis could plunge the U.S. into a long period of social instability. Our democracy is in peril; the threat of totalitarianism is real.

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The daily bleeding of thousands of jobs will soon turn our economic crisis into a political crisis. The street protests, strikes and riots that have rattled France, Turkey, Greece, Ukraine, Russia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria and Iceland will descend on us. It is only a matter of time. And not much time. When things start to go sour, when Barack Obama is exposed as a mortal waving a sword at a tidal wave, the United States could plunge into a long period of precarious social instability.

At no period in American history has our democracy been in such peril or has the possibility of totalitarianism been as real. Our way of life is over. Our profligate consumption is finished. Our children will never have the standard of living we had. And poverty and despair will sweep across the landscape like a plague. This is the bleak future. There is nothing President Obama can do to stop it. It has been decades in the making. It cannot be undone with a trillion or two trillion dollars in bailout money. Our empire is dying. Our economy has collapsed.

How will we cope with our decline? Will we cling to the absurd dreams of a superpower and a glorious tomorrow or will we responsibly face our stark new limitations? Will we heed those who are sober and rational, those who speak of a new simplicity and humility, or will we follow the demagogues and charlatans who rise up out of the slime in moments of crisis to offer fantastic visions? Will we radically transform our system to one that protects the ordinary citizen and fosters the common good, that defies the corporate state, or will we employ the brutality and technology of our internal security and surveillance apparatus to crush all dissent? We won’t have to wait long to find out.

There are a few isolated individuals who saw it coming. The political philosophers Sheldon S. Wolin, John Ralston Saul and Andrew Bacevich, as well as writers such as Noam Chomsky, Chalmers Johnson, David Korten and Naomi Klein, along with activists such as Bill McKibben and Ralph Nader, rang the alarm bells. They were largely ignored or ridiculed. Our corporate media and corporate universities proved, when we needed them most, intellectually and morally useless.

Wolin, who taught political philosophy at the University of California in Berkeley and at Princeton, in his book “Democracy Incorporated” uses the phrase inverted totalitarianism to describe our system of power. Inverted totalitarianism, unlike classical totalitarianism, does not revolve around a demagogue or charismatic leader. It finds its expression in the anonymity of the corporate state. It purports to cherish democracy, patriotism and the Constitution while cynically manipulating internal levers to subvert and thwart democratic institutions. Political candidates are elected in popular votes by citizens, but they must raise staggering amounts of corporate funds to compete. They are beholden to armies of corporate lobbyists in Washington or state capitals who write the legislation. A corporate media controls nearly everything we read, watch or hear and imposes a bland uniformity of opinion or diverts us with trivia and celebrity gossip. In classical totalitarian regimes, such as Nazi fascism or Soviet communism, economics was subordinate to politics. “Under inverted totalitarianism the reverse is true,” Wolin writes. “Economics dominates politics—and with that domination comes different forms of ruthlessness.”

I reached Wolin, 86, by phone at his home about 25 miles north of San Francisco. He was a bombardier in the South Pacific during World War II and went to Harvard after the war to get his doctorate. Wolin has written classics such as “Politics and Vision” and “Tocqueville Between Two Worlds.” His newest book is one of the most important and prescient critiques to date of the American political system. He is also the author of a series of remarkable essays on Augustine of Hippo, Richard Hooker, David Hume, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Max Weber, Friedrich Nietzsche, Karl Marx and John Dewey. His voice, however, has faded from public awareness because, as he told me, “it is harder and harder for people like me to get a public hearing.” He said that publications, such as The New York Review of Books, which often published his work a couple of decades ago, lost interest in his critiques of American capitalism, his warnings about the subversion of democratic institutions and the emergence of the corporate state. He does not hold out much hope for Obama.


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Chris Hedges, a Pulitzer prize-winning reporter, is a Senior Fellow at the Nation Institute. His latest book is Collateral Damage: America's War Against Iraqi Civilians.

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The Bad Banks Assets Proposal... ""Even Worse Than You Imagined"
Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 4, 2009 12:18 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"Dear God, let's just kiss the US economy goodbye. It may take a few years before the loyalists and permabulls throw in the towel, but the handwriting is on the wall.

The Obama Administration, if the Washington Post's latest report is accurate, is about to embark on a hugely costly "save the banking industry at all costs" experiment that:

1. Has nothing substantive in common with any of the "deemed as successful" financial crisis programs

2. Has key elements that studies of financial crises have recommended against

3. Consumes considerable resources, thus competing with other, in many cases better, uses of fiscal firepower.

The Obama Administration is as obviously and fully hostage to the interests of the financial services industry as the Bush crowd was. We have no new thinking, no willingness to take measures that are completely defensible (in fact not doing them takes some creative positioning) like wiping out shareholders at obviously dud banks (Citi is top of the list), forcing bondholder haircuts and/or equity swaps, replacing management, writing off and/or restructuring bad loans, and deciding whether and how to reorganize and restructure the company. Instead, the banks are now getting the AIG treatment: every demand is being met, no tough questions asked, no probing of the accounts (or more important, the accounting). "

~ Yves Smith @ Naked Capitalist

The Bad Banks Assets Proposal...

Ladies and Gentlemen CALL and EMAIL Congress Immediately ... This proposal puts tax payers front and center to take the losses of the Wall Street Banks.

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Stop the Bad Bank Plan

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» Not according to the Fed. Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Not according to the Fed. Posted by: richholland
» Amerika's Green Party Sucks Posted by: HoboHomo
We Should Be Together
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Feb 4, 2009 1:41 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
“There has to be some major effort to think outside the box.” Sheldon S. Wolin


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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» THANK YOU ! :) Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
» AP CATCHES BIG OBAMA LIE Posted by: reelman
Trying to hold on
Posted by: BillSamuel on Feb 4, 2009 1:46 AM   
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"Will we cling to the absurd dreams of a superpower and a glorious tomorrow or will we responsibly face our stark new limitations?"

Virtually everyone in conventional political life, definitely including President Obama, is trying to cling on. His rescue package tries to do that.

This is very unfortunate. The sooner we realize the country needs to look to a different model, the better. But it isn't even on the horizon of Democrats and Republicans.

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» Okay, I'm man enough to apologize Posted by: GuitarBill
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So where do we go from here?
Posted by: takebayashi on Feb 4, 2009 1:59 AM   
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It appears that Obama lacks the boldness and vision to deliver "change we can believe in", although I do appreciate his stopping the torture and restoring habeas corpus. But it doesn't look like he is up to the task of restoring the Constitution, taking on the vested interests, and moving the country in a progressive direction. So what are our options?

1) A non-ideological, pro-democracy citizens movement that unites Americans to "throw the bums out" and restore democracy. This has happened in other countries, notably Ukraine and the Philippines.

2) Organize a Progressive Party that will unite everyone left of the Democratic Party and right of the Leninists. The Republican Party has already been split by the Reform Party and Libertarian Party. Give voters the option of "change they can REALLY believe in" in two years, and hope they are fed up enough, well-informed enough, and open-minded enough to go for it.

3) Divide up the U.S. ideologically (gold state, red state, blue state, green state), weaken the federal government, and try different approaches in different places. The progressives can have universal, single-payer health care in their states, stimulate the economy by repairing infrastructure and by building things that will last (AND help the environment), like rail transit, wind farms, bike paths and hydroelectric projects. They can experiment with cooperative economics, strengthen unions, and take on corporate capitalism. They can fight crime by providing opportunities, and so on. The conservatives can elect Rush Limbaugh as their governor and get their just rewards, and it's ok, because people can "vote with their feet" and move to another state. The military gets its soldiers from state militias, which the states control, and they can chose whether or not to release them to the federal government. We don't have to fight over and agree on one policy that is a watered down mish-mash of conflicting or contradictory ideas. States rights on steroids.

Any other ideas? Revolution and civil war are non-starters. We should be able to do better than that.

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» Who's calling him a Messiah now? Beck is. Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
» There's always New Zealand Posted by: cvstoner
» RE: So where do we go from here? Posted by: stopthemaddness2
The American people are like a weakling who gets picked on by a bully.
Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Feb 4, 2009 2:10 AM   
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The establishment will beat us into submission until we learn to stand up for ourselves in some forceful way. Until we break this pattern of obsequious submission to authority, the political left and the welfare of the majority will barely be relevant.

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» Oops, another MAJOR BETRAYAL BY BARRY ! Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
I'm Still Waiting For Someone to Prove This Wrong
Posted by: elPedro on Feb 4, 2009 2:16 AM   
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God, I only got through the fist couple of pages. Thanks for making your depressed readers a little more on edge. A great public service. Why didn't you write this 4 or 8 or 29 years ago?

Remember how laughed at Jimmy Carter was when 32 f'ing years ago brought up the term "energy crisis." Man, we just blew that off of our shoulders. It's only when he passes will I mourn. I can't bear to even lived in a state that named a tollway after Reagan. What for? It was a Democrat who showed such ignorance, as well.

It's interesting how hundreds of trillions of dollars can just disappear. Without a law preventing it.

Man, every time I take a shower I think of all the people drinking sewer water. Coca-Cola, Incorporated will find some way to screw their workers a little more so they can "donate" some of their precious, um, bottled municipal drinking water to them. A drop in a tidal wave.

Plenty of water those of you are living 20 years from now will have. Enjoy.

And may the one with the most toys win.

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X pat observer
Posted by: davy on Feb 4, 2009 2:18 AM   
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When a society is based entirely on illusion how can it NOT fail. Look to ANY institutions in America from marriage to education to economy etc. you will see that they are designed NOT to work. Soon we will be in a phase of rebuilding on a foundation, not on sand. This will be uncomfortable for a while but it has to happen. We can no longer have a world where so few live so well and the other 80% . . . It will readjust.

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» As another x-pat... Posted by: heid
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'corporate media intellectually and morally useless'
Posted by: outlook on Feb 4, 2009 2:33 AM   
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What's new? The internet. Obama realised its power. It is the best tool for information and organisation the world has ever had. Have faith - there is a huge amount of information, currently, being spread around - we, the people, are beginning to wake up.

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The sky is falling
Posted by: 2thepoint on Feb 4, 2009 2:50 AM   
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"The economic crisis could plunge the U.S. into a long period of social instability. Our democracy is in peril; the threat of totalitarianism is real.""


cats and dogs living together..etc..etc.. please..the economy sucks.. the reporting on the economy is even worse!

If Obama had the balls to can Pelosi and Barney Frank and had someone with some sense and no political agenda we might have a plan that makes sense. But instead..we have millions for condoms!

The economy doesn't suck as much as our government does!

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The math does not lie
Posted by: ender on Feb 4, 2009 2:53 AM   
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We are entering a depression and it is going to make the last one look like a walk through the park.

There is an estimated $600 trillion worth of leveraged derivatives out there, or 12 years worth of the entire world's COMBINED gdp (put another way, that's every cent made by every worker in every country for over a decade). That does not include our federal deficit, more than doubled during Dumbya's reign, nor the estimated $55 trillion of future promises to the retiring baby boomers.

The unemployment rate at the height of the last depression was 25%. If we were to measure unemployment using the same definitions and methodologies, the unemployment rate was around 14% a couple of months ago. And if you haven't noticed, a lot more people have been laid off since then.

Ever seen a video of an avalanche? First the slightest movements on the edge, then sections start to slide, then the whole fucking mountain comes down? We're just entering the second stage.

I'm sorry, but the collapse is inevitable at this point. It can be slowed, but it has to happen. The numbers demand it.

For anyone interested in understanding the situation fully, read up on the economic policies of the last 40 years and you'll see how all the graphs point to this eventuality. This scenario has been repeatedly predicted by economic scholars for years but no one like depressing news. And remember what Einstein said about the universe and human stupidity?

You can only borrow for so long until money has to be repaid. Our fractional monetary policy, along with the world's largest intentional debt engine of the privately owned "federal" reserve corporation (no more "federal" than Federal Express), well, these adjustments are eventualities built into the system for a reason: consolidation of power.

The world's monetary system will have to be rebooted, and unfortunately I don't believe that will be done peacefully.

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System breaking down
Posted by: Perry Logan on Feb 4, 2009 2:56 AM   
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I realize Bush & Co have screwed things up royally. Maybe no human being can fix what the Pubs have wrought. I agree we might be headed for real trouble.

But think back just a few years. The system seemed to be working fairly well under Bill Clinton. He was paying off the deficit. We had the longest economic expansion in U.S. history--hardly the sign of a system breaking down. In this context, it seems like an overreaction to issue blanket condemnations of the whole system.

My latest rant is called "Going Back in Time"

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Wolin has not factored in the internet.
Posted by: ADNK on Feb 4, 2009 3:20 AM   
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If we can manage to keep the internet neutral, (a climb, by the way, that gets steeper every month), there may yet be a way for people to bypass the corporate media and keep some vital information channels open. I would put this imperative at the very top of the "to do list".

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There is no reason for this pessimism
Posted by: shellius on Feb 4, 2009 3:32 AM   
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The U.S. isn't going to collapse. This country has been through about 5 near-collapses with half the banks failing 3 times between the Civil War and WWI. This has all happened before. We can pull out of this if we don't all fall down the pit into self-pity and misery. We have gotten rid of George Bush and there is NO WAY this country will now fall to totalitarianism. Does Hedges think McCain got elected? It's not going to happen. Hedges has a book to sell, a documentary to sell, and he makes his money on doom and gloom. Leave him behind, move on.

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» Let's sing it! Posted by: heid
One more time.
Posted by: Nodarse on Feb 4, 2009 3:32 AM   
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We're being suckered once more in to fighting another World War.

What Fascists love most about making a population suffer (ie. Poverty, Unemployment) is that joining the Military becomes more and more attractive. Add a cold-blooded atrocity, like nukeing a U.S. city, and then everyone will want to sign up.

Who cares who the enemy "really" is, or who benefits from such atrocities. Wars put food on the table, right?

The WW2 generation absorbed about 11 years of economic depression before finally warming up to the idea of joining the war. So once Pearl Harbor was attacked, the populace was ready to kill.

As Gandhi said, "There is NO path to peace. PEACE IS THE PATH!" Our Government wants us to be desperate enough to do their bidding.

Are we brave enough to resist?

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» And Barry's planning on keeping it that way ! Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
Once again, I'd like to give a Big Fat "THANK YOU"....
Posted by: Animal on Feb 4, 2009 4:21 AM   
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....To everyone who thought that keeping gays from marrying was more important than keeping our economy strong, healthy, and viable and to everyone who thought that those poor stem cells needed protected more than our livlihoods and standard of living did. GOOD JOB!! The neocons/corporatists/fascists/Dominionists/robber barons/globalists couldn't have done it without you. Very well done!!

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U.S. is already FASCIST (lite) where TOO BIG to FAIL = FASCISM
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Feb 4, 2009 4:21 AM   
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The U.S. is Run by a parasite ruling class corporate crime class that does as it likes. That includes phony 9/11 coverup into endless global genocide "war on terror" (sham war of a thousand lies) and the absolute looting of entire country under never ending so-called "Wall Street Bailouts".

Too big to fail = Fascism paid for by the gullible.

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Sentiments trump facts
Posted by: Bizatch! on Feb 4, 2009 5:00 AM   
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Up here in Canada I am in for ridicule whenever I mention the coming upset, socially and economically. People just believe what they want to. We have Christians who are extremely indifferent to the situation because their raison d'etre is not to fight empire or all-around wrongdoing... it's to be concerned only with one's own life and property.

Other educated professionals and career-minded folk don't see the situation in terms other than the narrowest, according to their particular field.

Folks aren't seeing the whole... just whatever is being illuminated by their keyring flashlight...

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After the storm
Posted by: jon B on Feb 4, 2009 5:08 AM   
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I guess I'm looking far more forward in time than most people, but I'm not afraid of a future US that doesn't dominate the world. Sure, thinks look bleak for several years for our nation, but in comparison to other dominant cultures that took their dive in importance, we might have a better result in the long run.

Great Britain the last big empire before America is still hanging around. Before them The Netherlands dominated trade and they live on. Prior to them, Spain was considered the largest power, they still have borders.

I'm tired of living in a nation that has such hegemonic control in the world. I'm sick of being part of a nation that operates as a military power with the ego of false righteousness. I'm bored by the false ideals of American Exceptionalism. Every power in history came to the conclusion that they were somehow better than others simply because they had become so powerful, and history proved everyone of them wrong.

So now we are getting a taste of our false superiority. We as a nation felt this in the Great Depression, so why are we surprised that we are feeling it again today? Why should we lament a nation that may not be the dominant empire in the future?

I consider a future of less importance a good thing. Plenty of nations around the world have decent societies without dominating the world. Why should that be something to fear?

Our day in the sun is becoming over, but that doesn't mean some sort of day in a tornado. Humans are survivors. We survived the Great Depression and a bloody civil war. We will survive this age (I still haven't heard a good name for this age) but come out of it with less control in the world. I'm not afraid of that, in fact I can't wait for that time.

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Bring home ALL American National Guard Forces from the Middle East NOW
Posted by: FREEDOM OF SPEECH on Feb 4, 2009 5:24 AM   
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I largely agree with Hedges. I have a very bad feeling that America may be needing our National Guard soon to maintain civil order in some areas of the U.S. when times get even more tough here in America as all future trends currently point to.

While I'm on this topic, I need to ask: why is the American NATIONAL GUARD off fighting bogus wars (which were largely concocted by the Bushites, the neo-cons, the corporatist oil-barons, and the Israelis) in deadly faraway lands when America needs and want them here at home to protect the integrity of our nation and the safety of our citizens? We already have a huge Army, Navy, Marine Corp, Air Force, etc...so why did the godforsaken AMERICAN NATIONAL GUARD get sent to Iraq and Afghanistan to fight on the front lines and/or patrol hostile foreign city streets?

Support our troops...bring em' home.

If they don't, then it is fully within our rights as American citizens to (re)form armed local militias for the posterity and safety of our communities and/or states according to the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

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Question & Answer
Posted by: Nodarse on Feb 4, 2009 5:55 AM   
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The question was brought up:

Why is the American NATIONAL GUARD off fighting bogus wars in deadly faraway lands when America needs and want them here at home to protect the integrity of our nation and the safety of our citizens?

The answer is quite simple.

National Guardsman will HESITATE, or outright REFUSE an order to shoot and kill U.S. Citizens that rebel under Martial Law conditions.

Mexican, Czech or other Foreign Troops used to police the population WILL KILL U.S. CITIZENS WITHOUT HESITATION!

Think I'm crazy? It's already happened.

While our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan chase after imaginary enemies, Foreign Troops are now deployed on U.S. soil to enforce whatever "emergency" the Federal Government declares.

The grand American Experiment of self-governance, IS OVER!

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Otto .
Posted by: otto on Feb 4, 2009 6:16 AM   
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I hope this analysis is wrong...but in my heart of hearts, I know it's probably right.

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Political Philosophy
Posted by: jstuv on Feb 4, 2009 6:24 AM   
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In order to understand a political philosophy, take it to its final conclusion.

COMMUNISM: If everyone was compensated equally …and there is a grantee of employment, why would anyone work or innovate? COMMUNISM imploded.

FASCISM: If all dissenters were killed and all their possessions confiscated, how would the society continue, after they accomplished their goal? They would have to steal from and kill their own …which is what happened in 1944, 1945.

The TALIBAN: If Art and Entertainment were not permitted and all women subjugated; all dissenters killed, how would the society replenish itself?
They would die out eventually.

REPUBLICANISM: In order to maximize profit, all labor would be so minimally compensated that workers would be slaves. All wealth would be inherited. There would be no need for elections as the outcome was already determined.

Is that the desired society by the many?

DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM: If all wealth and services were equally shared, but citizens have a say in their entire social and governmental structure, would there be a need to steal or for war and for war profiteering?

You figure it out.

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» RE: Political Philosophy Posted by: rugby
The Sky Is Falling, The Sky Is Falling
Posted by: dockboy on Feb 4, 2009 6:49 AM   
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I've been hearing spew like this since I was a kid. I'm 45, by the way. Over time, I've come to the conclusion this is mere wishful thinking. We will always have doom and gloom prophets with us.

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Headed toward the third world
Posted by: Sojourner on Feb 4, 2009 6:48 AM   
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Yes, we (educated enough to see the system for what it is) have been bought off, so that we became invested in the establishment. Thus we become co-opted. We are in the pay of those who most want nothing to change, because they have more than anyone deserves.

What is missing from Wolin’s analysis (and we heard the same from Marcuse 50 years ago) is the ecological threat. Today we can see that not only do present policies destroy individual lives, they also destroy the foundation for life itself.

We will see a surge in the Green movement as a consequence of the pending worldwide disasters in our climate.

It will be an ugly time. Huge populations will be threatened, so that we who might help will be overwhelmed. Global population growth is predicted to grow to 9 billion, half again as large as currently, by the middle of the century. “A hungry man is an angry man” sang Bob Marley of the third world. We are all headed toward the third world.

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ignorance is bliss...and reality makes me suicidal
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Feb 4, 2009 6:53 AM   
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ignorance is bliss...and reality makes me suicidal. maybe it's time to turn off the news?

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» RE: great post, thanks Posted by: Sister_Lauren
many experts out there..just not at the white house
Posted by: grkjr on Feb 4, 2009 6:57 AM   
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Why is it that so many still cling to the premise that the way out of this is compromise.. Compromise with the very people whose political philosophy of "tax cuts" for the wealthy got us here. Why are none of the experts who predicted this not invited to the white house to get us out of the mess?? Simple, we have politicians in office.. we keep mistaking "good gab", "yes we can", for statesmanship.. Hope knows no bounds and knows no action..no, obama will not get us out of the mess... such a sad commentary when we must rely on the republicans to keep us from throwing more money after bad.. not because they know better but because they have still more damage they want to do to enrich themselves before they self destruct, thus will vote no for the wrong reasons until they have convinced obama and the cowardly democrats to cave into more excesses for the wealthy.. so what will pass will certainly not make a difference. but there is a light at the end of the tunnel.. it is what happens when a people touch the bottom and have no where else to go... and finally start a new polical party that has more than a slogan for change. we were warned by so many for so many times .. but hey we got slogans..

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Feb 4, 2009 6:58 AM   
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If anyone has ever watched something die they would understand that movement still exist for a while after death has already occurred. Our economy is already gone but the twitching has not stopped yet. This is the looting of America by the very people who you would think already have far too much.
Not only has our corpocracy wrecked our finances but they also seem hell bent to wreck our very being in the future. When are we as a nation and or we as a people going get our act together as far as energy. The clock is ticking and we are running out of time. Right now no alternative energy platform can be built without oil. So if the oil runs out before we have a secure and existing alternative we will be going back to a much simpler time, say little house on the prairie.
We need to legally take back our country from enemies within, namely multinational corporations,lobbyist,government workers who are shills for the first two. We need to get our military back into scale with reality, before it begins to feed on us. Wake up America....this is not a test....it is a real emergency.

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» RE: the oil won't run out... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: the oil won't run out... Posted by: gimmie shelter
Our children will never have the standard of living we had.
Posted by: SteveO on Feb 4, 2009 7:05 AM   
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We don't have the standard of living our parents had! My mother (78) owns her own home, has a pension and social security.

I (48) have a 28 years to pay on my mortgage (211k 30 year fixed, not some ultra-NINJA-ARM pile of crap), no pension, and probably no social security. When I'm 73 I will be living in a cardboard box, eating from dumpsters at this rate.

Mom's generation lived through the peak of American society. We are on the past peak slide where we keep lying to ourselves about how great we are and have been since about 1978. Carter knew. We couldn't handle the truth so we chose the Reagan Revolution - the path to fascism.

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Doom and Gloom or Hope and Optimism?
Posted by: peacelf on Feb 4, 2009 7:07 AM   
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While I don't think President Obama is the end of hope and change, I think america turned a corner toward the progressive left with Obama's election. Consider this:

- America elected an African American. That is a huge leap in racial understanding and social justice. Millions poured into the D.C. mall to watch history in the making. That same force can be mobilized for other changes, when the time is ripe.

- The economic crisis has been an opportunity for self-reflection about america's gross materialistic appetites. The anger and outrage at the wealthiest ripping off investors, people losing their homes, unemployment rising, etc. is not disempowering americans; it's empowering them to take action.

- Ohio's governor, Ted Strictland, just proposed the most progressive educational changes in american history. The plan introduces Ohioans and america to democratic progressive education, ala John Dewey. Strictland did away with standardized tests and curriculum, proposed student-based, individualized instruction and increased funding to pay for it. Other states will soon follow suit.

- Passage of the Employee Free Choice Act will once again make organizing unions favor the worker's rights, rather than the corporation. This will be one of the most important changes in american progressive change, because well-paid and protected workers are fighters.

These are just a few hopeful signs I see.

Sure, most americans need leadership, and that leadership will come from those progressives who are sensitive to cultural differences, like religion and racial, while bringing civil and human rights issues to bear.

Right now, too many progressives are angry and cynical elitists who prefer confrontation to communication. If progressives ever want to be a part of the mass movement for change, they better learn how to cross borders, reach out to Others who certainly want the same things, but may not know how to get it.

Peace

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Bullshit- We don't have a voice...
Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Feb 4, 2009 7:09 AM   
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...we are kept locked out over and over. The left gatekeepers at Alternet are guilty of this, too.

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» AMEN sister ! Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
» RE: Bullshit- We don't have a voice... Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
» RE: Bullshit- We don't have a voice... Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
What we need to do..........
Posted by: AJR Journal on Feb 4, 2009 7:15 AM   
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1) Cut corporate taxes. Business needs capital to grow and hire workers.
2) Increase immigration. Immigrants invigorate the economy, create jobs, and redevelop neglected neighborhoods in our cities.
3) Promote free trade. It is only by free trade that the affected countries can recover from this setback.
4) Let dying companies die. GM, Chrysler, etc. should not be bailed out.
5) Visit Milwaukee!! Don't be sad! Forget your problems for a while. Visit America's #2 party city!

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» RE: What we need to do.......... Posted by: gimmie shelter
» RE: What we need to do?????? Posted by: FoonTheElder
» Tell your Mom I said "Hi" Posted by: AJR Journal
» 960 drinking establishments! Posted by: AJR Journal
I WONDER TOO WHERE IS THE PROTEST???
Posted by: alicelillie on Feb 4, 2009 7:15 AM   
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That is true. People need to take to the streets in protest.

We could be headed towards totalitarianism because the people are just too compliant and passive.

There are a lot of reasons. Education is so poor that students graduate from public schools unable to read well, much less think. There is too much working in groups and not enough individual independence.

There is too much reliance on government. Government tells people to do something, they do it. I seldom hear any questioning of authority.

The government caused the economic problems we now have and people are looking to government to solve them. Most people seem to realize that this bailout will help nobody except possibly the fatcats, but the Obama administration is going ahead anyway without a peep of protest.

And, as the article says, there may be unrest due to severe economic problems leading to totalitarianism, and possibly a roundup of those who oppose government. We mustn't wait until then, but must oppose it *now.*

Unfortunately, that unrest may be on the part of people who are cold and hungry, maybe having sick children and they will be screaming for help, not for government to get off their backs.

One way we can oppose it now is to help food banks and others who might help the ever-growing numbers of the needy by donating now. Also to stock up on supplies for ourselves. *And* pressure government to cancel the bailout and get out of the way.

Ron Paul was right. Read him!

Also check out my blog at http://www.alicelillieandher.blogspot.com

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» What did you expect? Posted by: login@bugmenot.com
gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Feb 4, 2009 7:19 AM   
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Money is an illusion, a whim of government and a tool for business. Since being decoupled from anything tangible like gold, the only thing that gives worth to it is belief, yours and others belief that it indeed has value.
Which leads me to Wall Street, lots of people found out the hard way that the piece of paper they held was just a piece of paper and no more.
Rise and shine, it was not a dream, it's true you have lost most of your accumulated worth while your taxes, which you cannot afford to pay are being used to fill the pockets of those who robbed you. Think about it.

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» GOLD STANDARD VERSUS CYBERMONEY Posted by: Dennis St. John
» RE: GOLD STANDARD VERSUS CYBERMONEY Posted by: gimmie shelter
Damn right ! And now, more major cuts on public transportation as if there weren't enough already !!
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Feb 4, 2009 7:25 AM   
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/04/us/04transit.html

I already cannot stand being pushed into getting stuck in 2 hour traffic just to travel 30 miles to work and 2 hours back and leaving late in the evening only cuts it to 1.5 hours !

I'd like to see BHO try and bailout and improve the public transportation infrastructure for a change instead of kissing up to Big Auto !

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» RE: Damn right ! And trains too Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
Age Of Accountability
Posted by: Marilyn Barnicke Belleghem on Feb 4, 2009 7:29 AM   
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More people need to be in contact with their representatives at all levels of government. Public interest, involvement and awareness has never been so high. With the Internet and mass communication things can change and change quickly. What comes from this will be new and different. We live in an age of accountability that is just beginning.

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» RE: Age Of Accountability Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
Optimal Pessimism
Posted by: ClassAct on Feb 4, 2009 7:30 AM   
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Those who have found that it is useless to protest, as for instance marching against the war in Iraq, are indistinguishable from those who continue to hope for the future. Optimism and pessimism are to that extent identical and that is the reason that the US remains quiescent while riots burn across the rest of the globe. Washington DC is just too far away to be concerned about what happens here in LA. Even Sacramento is too far away, apparently.

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» RE: Optimal Pessimism Posted by: Beck
You think this is all happenstance?
Posted by: Zimbly on Feb 4, 2009 7:31 AM   
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What bothers me about this article and the media in general is how this is all portrayed as a series of incidents and accidents.., what I call Johnny and the apple tree story..you know

"Johnny was innocently daydreaming under an apple tree when an apple fell , it bumped his head, knocking him unconscious, the apple rolled off onto a road, someone saw the apple and swerved trying to avoid it, hitting a cyclist who veered off course hitting grandma who threw up her groceries which smashed into the windshield of another passing car making it ram into a house killing a small dog giving Mr Williams a heart attack, someone calls 911 , now 2 ambulances and 10 fire-trucks cause a traffic jam, making mom who is in labor , trying to get to the hospital have the baby on the spot, this in turn distracts a window washer 50 stories up, upon hearing the woman's cries and he accidently drops his water bucket, accidentally killing the usher down below."

Nothing is related except by a series of missteps and accidents, the truth is far more shocking.

The fact of the matter is that all of this was deliberately contrived and planned, for certain people, things are going EXACTLY as planned.

The social meltdown and chaos...they've got that one covered to, its called HR 648..looks perfectly innocent, yeah...but if you lay all the pieces out on the table you get a picture.
There have been so called "FEMA camps" in construction now all over this country for the last 5 years..what do you think thats about? Another Katrina disaster ..don't think so....this isn't paranoia..
it is what is happening.

All the facts are there, but its dolled out piecemeal. Whats is shocking is that this evil is so in your face, so brazen,Obama is Obama..do you think he will have any power when the COG act( Continuity of Government) is rolled out?

Look up HR 1955 and HR S 1959........ all of these things add up.

This is planned, deliberate and when the real picture becomes
apparent to the broader public, it will be too late.
Wake up, get informed

Certain "decisions" were made in 2000, and all of these things are being rolled out one by one, nothing is by chance

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» RE: You think this is all happenstance? Posted by: gimmie shelter
» Thank you for this post Posted by: kegbot1
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» Just one more..sorry :) Posted by: Zimbly
» RE: Zimby's insane conspiracy rants Posted by: gimmie shelter
Ruled By Stupid Corporate People
Posted by: Shankari46 on Feb 4, 2009 7:39 AM   
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Not only are we ruled by the corporate elite, but they are god awful stupid. They keep pushing for wars with money we don't have, and they keep pushing for oil when the Baltic Dry Index has tanked. In other words, shortly we will be unable to import anything including oil. They keep sucking up bonuses while everyone else has to get foreclosed on. They keep sending their work overseas and expecting poor broke unemployed Americans to keep buying their worthless crap. How many hungry, homeless Americans does it take to overthrow the duds in power. I guess we will find out, won't we?

They ran their banks into the ground by giving loans out to people who couldn't pay them back. They ran the auto industry out of business by jacking up oil prices even though the American auto industry was best pals with the oil industry.

These idiots will keep wanting to produce weapons that won't work in the rain so we can fight wars paid for by China so that we can attack someone who doesn't threaten us. What will happen next? We won't have enough money to bring the troops home. They will be stuck where they are without ammo. The Navy ships won't have enough gas to drive home. We won't have enough gas to ship all the foreign garbage across the land and people won't have anything to buy if they could buy anything. Chaos, anarchy, Mad Max scenario.

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Feb 4, 2009 7:44 AM   
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Lets face the fact that we are becoming Mexico with a bomb. What borders will we be able to cross to get away from economic suppression and a chance for a better future.

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» go North young man Posted by: jon B
» RE: go North young man Posted by: Dr. P. Mooney
Can't Give the Article Much Credit When The Author Forgets History
Posted by: EncinoM on Feb 4, 2009 7:58 AM   
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"At no period in American history has our democracy been in such peril or has the possibility of totalitarianism been as real."

The depression of the 1930's was worse and many in and out of power were looking at two competing theories of governing facism and communism, there was higher unemployment during the early eighties. After Jackson's assualt on the banks the in the 1800's the country entered into a decade long depression.

The riots and strikes through out Europe have differnt cause some economic, some not. The Greek riots were over apolice shooting, France the workers go on yearly strikes and the french employment law makes it difficult for the young to find work as the old remain.

Chicken little was not a prophit, times are indeed rough but that those not mean that they are hopeless for generations to come. This is just more sensational tabliod journalism, the same as the NY Post only written better.

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» MINSTREL SHOW Posted by: Dennis St. John
» RE: MINSTREL SHOW Posted by: Shey
Repower the SEC!
Posted by: Cybershaman on Feb 4, 2009 8:01 AM   
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There are five major economic powerhouses that have gotton 'too big to fail'. They are responsible for this entire mess. They were not banks but have destroyed the banking industry from the inside and then gobbled up the banks they have destroyed in order to misrepresent themselves as banks and get FDIC coverage.

Take them down and lock up their upper management. Use their 'assets' to clean up the mess.

JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, Wachovia, Citigroup and HSBC. These institutions should die, their upper management left destitute, if not jailed. Focus your rage where it deserves to be.

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you can't eat paper so...
Posted by: ellie on Feb 4, 2009 8:13 AM   
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if possible with any $$ you might have at hand and not on credit cards...

go fill up the pantry with foods and things your family will need with cash... the key here is need not want...

pay off the house asap... if you have a vehicle, do the same... plus get those pesky property taxes re-assessed to a lower rate then pay them... the plastic??? leave them at the bottom of the list... making sure you can cover your family basic needs is more important then a damned credit rating... you can't eat a credit rating...

don't forget some garden seeds if you have some dirt or a sunny spot to grow a few groceries...

anything else, convert it to tangibles like precious metals but shop around first...

looks like cash is on it's way out like credit, so why hoard paper that is loosing traction every day... become more self-reliant, make friends with the folks on your block and work together...

no not advocating crazed survivalism, just common sense... remember you're still OYO like during the last administration, so plan for it and quit expecting government to solve all our problems...

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» I HAVE NO CREDIT CARDS AND NO DEBTS Posted by: Dennis St. John
» RE: We crazed survivalists Posted by: Menopausal Mick
Was Jefferson right about revolutions? Stay tuned ...
Posted by: monkeywrench on Feb 4, 2009 8:19 AM   
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"I wish the political establishment, the parties and leadership, would become more aware of the depths of the problem. They can’t keep throwing money at this."
. . . . . .
There is no incentive for them to become more aware, because they are either owned or bribed handsomely by the very corporations they should be regulating. They, our bought-and-paid-for government, will keep throwing money at the "problem" that their corporate butt-buddies have produced because, in effect, they are throwing money – our money, the sweat of our brows – at themselves.

The sad fact is, we are being controlled, both politically and economically, and robbed blind, by a criminal class disguised as a new aristocracy, "wise guys" who, while their tactics are devious but relatively benign (so far), make the Mafia look like rank amateurs.

Is our only choice to maintain democracy open rebellion? I hope not, but it might be. Things could get ugly much faster than people imagine, once americans' rebellious streak is reawakened – and democracy is seldom a survivor of such chaos.

Our nation was born of revolution, and Thomas Jefferson once said that a revolution every once in awhile is a good thing. We may be the first generation to find out if he was right.

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POSSE COMITATUS
Posted by: Dennis St. John on Feb 4, 2009 8:24 AM   
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Does anyone remember the time when there were over six hundred organizations, mostly out west in places like Idaho, that opposed the federal government and were willing to use force of arms to that end? The last I read, there are only about 150 such organizations left.

We used to think they were all hair-brained nuts playing soldier. When the revolution comes, they might not seem so crazy.

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» RE: POSSE COMITATUS Posted by: Cybershaman
ECONOMY
Posted by: pfm on Feb 4, 2009 8:36 AM   
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i am reminded of the old adage how soon we forget. It was only yesterday when Obama first appeared on center stage caught our attention asking us if we were ready for - change - and additionally if we were ready for bit of a roller coaster ride to attain the change envisioned and intended. For me there is a parallel which states, "we" - that's you and me - always, always manifest what we give attention to. For the last nearly 8 years we have lived under a blanket of fear, it is any wonder now when our new President is trying to lift a corner of that blanket and let the sun shine in, we resist...? If we honestly want peace and prosperity, that is what we need to evoke and intend, yea, I know it's too simple, right..?

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» RE: simple Posted by: Menopausal Mick
Invite the Taliban to rule the US
Posted by: billwald on Feb 4, 2009 9:07 AM   
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OUR REAL OWNERS (not the paper profit new rich like Bill Gates), the people we never heard of, don't care if the US collapses or if there is WW3. Either way, they are protected and will consolidate their position. Either way, the US middle class is screwed.

The ONLY way to beat the bastards to the punch is to invite the Taliban in and let them take EVERYONE down. Hide your Bibles in the ground and say ALLAH AKBAR. God will forgive.

Organize the underground starting NOW. As much as I disrespect their theology and history, the LDS is best prepared to organize the US for the long haul.

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Feb 4, 2009 9:12 AM   
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It is amazing how far away from reason people have drifted. If the last administration thought throwing money at the problem was going to fix things and the new administration thinks throwing money at the problem is going to fix things, then I ask what has changed? And sadly both administrations are throwing it where it is not needed. Those businesses that could not survive should have been allowed to fail.
Many used to speak of welfare for an unwed mother as a real problem well that was never going to drain the well faster than corporate welfare in all the various forms it has taken.
Reduced tax incentives to stay in a community, reduced electricity cost, health subsidies for their workers,reduced property taxes, reduced school taxes,or paying no taxes at all, not having to clean up the pollution they created, and the list goes on.
We as Americans have been squeezed for so long that most do not even recognize when it is occurring anymore. It used to be more subtle under the label of competitiveness, now they are just emptying the banks so the taxpayer can fill them up again. We need a fresh start and I am afraid we may not get that unless we break from what we have done in the past.
Maybe if we bartered for what we need the corporations would go away, probably not but it is a thought.

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Don't trust our economy to the politicians..they're all bought
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Feb 4, 2009 9:36 AM   
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Ok I know some folks are going to scream at me 'It's only been two weeks,give Big O a fucking break already!" To them I say, " You must only get your news from CNN or you're one of those upper class twits that kicked down the mega contributions it took to get Big O in Office.

52% of Americans live on less than $35,000 a year income. Has Big O even said two syllables about helping them? No! Not a fucking word. In the early 70's that was Middle Class,you know the people Big O talked about helping. Today $35,000 a year make you the chronically underemployed,which means you have money to pay the bills, balance food and gas, and pretty much stay home because you can barely afford going to Mickey D's for you family of three. You're part of the people that Big O's not going to help.
This government allows for a 20% homeless figure.20%!!! That's 60 million people!! This governance is saying 'We don't care if it was our bad policies or corrupted Savings and Loans that caused you to lose everything. We don't care about you!".

Big O wrote a great many Executive Orders as soon as he took office. That was the right thing to do. But did you know some of them called from drone plane bombing attacks on civilians in Pakistan? Not exactly too 'Peacemakerly'. Sure he signed orders to close gitmo and make interrogators stop using torture in prisons and detainment centers owned and operated by US Forces. He also DID NOT write orders to stop torture brom being used by us on people held in other prisons and camps run by other countries. So the Torture never stops.

The leadership and the rich slide by without paying their full and fair share of the taxes are still running the country and fucking the rest of us so they can live the 'High Life'. When I was a little kid,back in the 50's, we had a 91% tax on the rich. With the billions these assholes secret away,if we had that tax bracket now,we'd have a huge economic stimulus. Big O didn't write an executive order calling for that. Why? Because they want the budget to be a 'smokescreen' for the people. It's a misdirector,a sham,a wool-over-the-eyes to hide a much more sinister plan. SUCK ALL THE MONEY OUT OF US BEFORE WE REVOLT!!!!!

A country is only as strong as it's foundations. The foundations in this case happen to be 'The People'. The masses of People are won't be helped by the stimulus plans,Plans that never were take into account the poor,working poor or homeless they created by greed. Right now this country's foundation is made of sand. Sand is not a very strong foundation,even for a sandcastle,much less a civilization.
The great civilizations of the past took care of their poor because that made their foundation as a society strong. If Big O took the bold step and stimulated the economy by paying off all mortgages under $200,000,we'd be taking that sand and making it a foundation of concrete. In other words insure the growth of our society.

That's not going to happen. Why? The rich. They own the politicians,they own the media,they own you. They will spread stories,in great quantities,that zeroing out the debts of the poor will kill our economy.

Then again,we could just demand that all politicians recieve 'Minimum Wage'.That would stimulate their economy. At least then we'll be getting our money's worth.

Jeffrey7

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100% brilliant Chris Hedges. Great article !!!
Posted by: Ghoulman on Feb 4, 2009 10:06 AM   
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Thanx for printing this Alternet! :)

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Trust Me - It Will Be O.K.
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Feb 4, 2009 10:18 AM   
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One of the first lessons to learn is not to trust anyone who says "Trust Me"

It could be absolutely horrendous.

In fact it already is for Millions of Americans

The basic problem is that America does not tell the Truth about itself

The image of that Everyting is O.K. has got to be projected across the World

Because "America is The Best"

"America is the Richest Country in the World"

Most people who haven't actually been to America and experienced America first hand believe this propaganda

Europeans who travel to America on package holidays have a wonderful time and think America and Americans are Lovely

But independent travellers who are not on a "guided tour" have a completely different experience

Sure there are still great things about America and Americans

But

You Tell Me - about the Real Number of Americans Who are Homeless - or living in abject Poverty

Hell - the UK has one of the highest homelessness rates in Europe

But I do know about homelessness in the UK - and over the past few years have had a few friends officially classed as homeless living with us for a few months - and I have found out their rights

And actually real homelessness has dramatically reduced in the UK over the last 10 years - and the vast majority of people officially classified as homeless are actually living in "Temporary accomodation" financed by local authorities

How the hell can America have many Millions of empty homes and yet have (how many?) people sleeping rough on the Street or in Tents or Cars

I mean FFS - You are the Richest Country in The World.

Has anyone come up with any plans to resolve this problem as many Millions more face losing their homes.

I thought you were supposed to be a Christian Nation

Don't you look after your friends and family or fucking ANYONE who needs shelter?

Maybe you simply have to suffer as a Nation for what you have done to others across the World

Maybe your society has to completely fail - before it can rebuild itself

Why are you still dropping bombs on Weddings in Afghanistan

How would you like it if that was done to you?

I Grieve

I have made a donation to

FeedingAmerica

http://secondharvest.org/

It was only $10

But I do like Americans

God Bless

Just Arrest The Fascists Who are Doing This To You

Tony

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» RE: Trust Me - It Will Be O.K. Posted by: gimmie shelter
Screw Ralph Nader.
Posted by: HoboHomo on Feb 4, 2009 10:24 AM   
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His career is kaput...shot himself in the foot when he called Barack Obama an "Uncle Tom".

Not to mention being a spoiler in not just one, but TWO pivotal presidential elections. Apparantly, being a great consumer advocate does not make one a great person overall.

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bingo
Posted by: hgovernick on Feb 4, 2009 10:28 AM   
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This author is right on the money with his observations. At age 60, I've observed firsthand almost every corporate "distraction" mentioned here and more, and consider myself at one time among the "distracted" ...

... have written songs about the subject since the early 70's, and have vigorously sounded the trumpet for my friends and anyone else near me until I was blue in the face. Nobody seemed to get it, and they still seem not to get it.

I personally believe the only remedy to today's passive-submissive mentality is a spiritual revolution which has nothing to do with today's "church" or "religious leaders" or "political saviors", but eminates from the inner-depths of the human soul, and is gifted to every newborn child as a natural birthright.

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Everything is okay, every- thing is at risk
Posted by: sirios on Feb 4, 2009 10:42 AM   
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We will be okay as soon as we stop thinking that life ends when the money ends. Money has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with life. Unfortunately it will probably take the total collapse of the economic system to realize this. There is little substitute for complete loss of one thing in order to see what is already present but covered up. Try to think of the collapse of our present rotten lifestyle as an exciting opportunity into exposing the beauty that lies within us.

Now, let's hear from the truly frightened detractors,who are attached to their invested beliefs and concepts about life falling into the abyss as a result of bankruptcy.

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» RE: verything is okay, every- thing is at risk Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Feb 4, 2009 10:44 AM   
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Wow Tony that was really strong. First never mistake what a government does for what a people do. Our government has not listened to it's citizens for a very long time now, but unlike tiny England, inertia takes a while to overcome with over 300 million people.
And how can you be so sure it was not a British bomb that was dropped on the wedding party? I guess the apple really does not fall far from the tree. We as a nation have followed your lead of militarism as both our histories will prove the only difference being your nation had more time to practice. It is sad when a parent nation does not understand one of it's children. And thanks for the ten bucks, next time your country is being bombed I'll send it back.

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» RE: gimmie shelter Posted by: tony_opmoc
Optimism
Posted by: thisguy on Feb 4, 2009 10:52 AM   
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There is no reason to believe that this is the end of the United States as we knew it. We are mostly the same group of 300+ million people that we were three years ago. A little more than 90% of us are still employed. The outlook may be dire, but that is how economies work. They are cyclical by nature. During the Great Depression era, there were many (very intelligent) people predicting the "end of the world" back then as well. Just as they did in every other recession and depression since the beginning of time. It is a natural "spring cleaning", if you will, of our economy. We will emerge from it stronger and more resilient than ever. Listen to common sense folks. Everything will be just fine in a couple of years and you can go back to complaining about something else.

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For one thing, we need to amplify so-called 'trivial' news items
Posted by: Blue Heron on Feb 4, 2009 10:54 AM   
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There are few positive things about the excruciating pain each citizen is surely enduring at the moment. However, we are a lot less likely t be distracted in this state. Let's use this increased awareness to broadcast the 'little' news items before they mushroom. One of them is what corporations like Google and Apple have been doing. They have both laid off thousands of Permatemps who will not qualify for unemployment, because they were misclassified as 'self employed.' They were NOT self employed!!! Where is the outrage on this? They reported on site every day and were managed and told which hours to come in. These companies brainwashed just about everyone with a saccharine image of 'cuteness,' because of the way the products were marketed and probably also as a result of the median age of workers there being 30. There is nothing cute here. Someone who is a thirty-something may not have all the worries about losing retirement money. But losing a full time job you've had for years without the safety net of unemployment is just as frightening.

DISEMBOWEL the corporations NOW! And yes, use all the graphic imagery you can, since they are legally considered 'persons' under the law. There is no insignificant news item here. The new word of power is exposure.

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» Keep this in mind, too... Posted by: Blue Heron
stress points
Posted by: cbishopp on Feb 4, 2009 11:14 AM   
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I am a broken record but...We all talk about corporate control and what little power we have as individuals. It might be helpful to focus on some of the key points where we lose our political voice and where power and wealth are transferred.
(1) Currency reform. Our money is created by the Federal Reserve in collusion with other banks and the bulk of the national debt is the interest we owe on this money. It is not real, it is a fiat currency and has no intrinsic value. As a result there is a third party involved in every transaction you perform from buying your home to a gallon of milk. Your taxes go to this interest payment and the wealth of this nation is transferred to banks and foreign investors. This is a well documented fact but one Obama has yet to mention.
(2) Energy reform. Presently Obama wants to increase alternative energy sources but can only do it in small fractions over many years. Oil is a crutch for this society. It is used not because it is the most efficient or even the cheapest form of energy but because it can be controlled. It takes a lot of money to get oil out of the ground and the rights to this precious fluid are controlled by the super wealthy and the corporate elite. Our entire infrastructure would breakdown without it. Every army on the planet requires oil to function. With oil reserves depleted, wars raging all over the planet, global warming, pollution, and the damage caused through it's production and transport, is there any reason to still be using this resource?
(3) Health care reform. Another Obama project, but significant change to the industry will not occur during this presidency. Health care keeps people in line. It is attached to your employment and many people have jobs they hate for that very reason, to make sure that they have access to affordable health care. There are millions of people without proper care and many more who abuse the industry with elective surgeries and unnecessary prescriptions. We are sold drugs on TV for any and every thing and we are reminded everyday through the media that we are inadequate and need a pill or a procedure to make it right.
Yesterday it was my birthday and true to form (just like last year and the year before) I received two letters from Blue Cross, one informing me of a rate increase and the other telling me that my benefits have decreased. Happy Birthday!! This trend will continue until I am broke or have no health care and there are millions out there with less than that. As an addendum they added a caveat that any late payments would result in the immediate termination of my policy.
These points are all related to very basic everyday experiences and transactions where you might not realize that there is a third party present. There are greedy fingers in EVERYTHING you buy constantly pulling pennies from your pocketbook and forcing you to work longer harder hours for less.
If they know you need it then they charge double, THAT'S CAPITALISM.
They will never stop, we have to stop them.
I, too, have a great respect for Obama but the choice is ours. It is up to us.

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The First Step....
Posted by: mrcentrist on Feb 4, 2009 11:31 AM   
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....is not to pay a bunch of welfare money from the U.S. Treasury to those fecking tools and idiots on Wall Street. Oh yeah, I forgot -- redneck America is hopelessly, head-over-heels in love with those fecking tools and idiots on Wall Street. So sorry.

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Lantern
Posted by: Lantern on Feb 4, 2009 11:32 AM   
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I mention this not so much as a conspiracy theory but as a fact. The US government has been silently building detention/processing/holding centers around the nation on or near federal land for the last several years. Additionally, the FBI and the CIA are ramping up their staffing levels. I don't know where these pieces of the puzzle fit but they are needed to complete the picture.

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Pessimism re Democracy equals Stupidity
Posted by: joellblock on Feb 4, 2009 11:34 AM   
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This article does not reflect the historical change represented by Obama's movement. Obama has a united workingclass and democratic military behind him, and a minimum of 10 to 15 million progressive activists at his disposal, more than enough to control the streets, workplaces, educational institutions, and all major institutions of society. The financial institutions are broke and thus weak. The right-wing proto-fascist minions like Palin and Limbaugh couldn't get 100,000 people to march behind them on a summer's day; O'Bama got more than 1.5 million in the dead of winter. Give me a break- and let's get it on!

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obama has a short memory
Posted by: wleming on Feb 4, 2009 11:40 AM   
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Evoking the memory of those who died at Khe Sahn is not a good omen. Vietnam was the American Waterloo-and it revealed a military industrial state of horrendous intent. That no one can, to this day, say this-helps describe where we have landed.

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THIS DOOMSDAY PREDICTION DOES NO ONE ANY GOOD NOW...WHERE WAS THIS INFORMATION EVEN 4 YEARS AGO?
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Feb 4, 2009 11:55 AM   
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This prediction and crystal ball prediction is a little TOO LATE NOW ISN'T IT?

Some of the most depressing doomsday stuff I've read to date. Sadly, and unwittingly, some of what is predicted is true. We have been taken over by and are ran by, and have become a corporate state it seems. What was a constitutional "We the people" has been lost and got completely buried the minute sneak snake cheney and bushie boy and his entire bus load of administrators, lobbyists got on their helicopters and headed for the hills.

It is broke. That is clear.

And it won't get fixed any time soon. But to put all of this MEGA TON MONSTROSITY of ECONOMIC MISERY AND IMPLOSION on President OBAMA is WRONG!!!

He may not be able to fix it all, he can at best keep things going, but the biggest fear is this:
Will you let him do his job?
Will corrupt corporate allow him to do his job? Meanwhile the main street media is out of control about pouring more doom and gloom about massive layoffs every time you tune in.

And although it is well suppressed on the evening news, and all (main street media) about other nations in Europe and their dissent and rioting, they are governments wrapped in similar corporate greed, and consumerism political structures.

It really is just a matter of time, for those who want to see what is truly behind the curtains, the Wizard is no Wizard, and there never was a Land of OZ!

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The rich Guys Amongst you Should Buy The First Two Series of SKINS on DVD
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Feb 4, 2009 11:55 AM   
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Skins is Even Better Than Shameless

However I sill fancy Fiona

Everyone else should Buy All The Series of

Shameless on DVD

Oh and Go and See Slumdog Millionaire

I have no connection whatsoever with Channel 4

Except that The News on it is slightly better than the BBC

Especially since the BBC got arrested by Tony Blair

For Telling him he IS A CUNT

For receiving this ultimate Truth


Tony Blair then proceeded to get rid of all the Top Bosses at the BBC

And Replace Them With His Cronies Who Were Either ZIONISTS or seriously FUCKING them

We have now finally got rid of Tony Blair

And replaced him with someone who seems to read my posts

He's even fucking madder than me

We are Fucked

Its compleletely hopeless

But Both Shameless and Skins wipe the fucking Floor with LOST

You Yanks are so fucking LOST you come up with a Series where you can actually go back in Time and Make Your Fucking Neocons Disappear to the Fucking Moon

Just Leave Them There

The rest of us can go to Mars

Tony

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ONLY A MATTER OF TIME (Correction)
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Feb 4, 2009 12:01 PM   
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This prediction and crystal ball prediction is a little TOO LATE NOW ISN'T IT?

Some of the most depressing doomsday stuff I've read to date. Sadly, and unwittingly, some of what is predicted is true. We have been taken over by and are ran by, and have become a corporate state it seems. What was a constitutional "We the people" has been lost and got completely buried the minute sneak snake cheney and bushie boy and his entire bus load of administrators, lobbyists got on their helicopters and headed for the hills.

It is broke. That is clear.

And it won't get fixed any time soon. But to put all of this MEGA TON MONSTROSITY of ECONOMIC MISERY AND IMPLOSION on President OBAMA is WRONG!!!

He may not be able to fix it all, he can at best keep things going, but the biggest fear is this:
Will you let him do his job?
Will corrupt corporate allow him to do his job? Meanwhile the main street media is out of control about pouring more doom and gloom about massive layoffs every time you tune in.

And although it is well suppressed on the evening news, and all (main street media) about other nations in Europe and their dissent and rioting, they are governments wrapped in similar corporate greed, and consumerism political structures. What I am saying, is their way of live, and political structures are not that much different from our own. What I am saying is this: Looking at them now is like looking into a crystal ball; They are likely "US" in the near future. Most and many are in complete denial.

It really is just a matter of time, for those who want to see what is truly behind the curtains, the Wizard is no Wizard, and there never was a Land of OZ!

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we need a new constitution
Posted by: edgar1 on Feb 4, 2009 12:11 PM   
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the words of Jefferson in the Declaration still ring true; the rulers have ignored not only the "people" but have endangered the lives of the people with their unconstitutional series of undeclared wars.

If blood need be spilled after the chaos of hunger and deprivation, so be it. Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson foresaw it all. The obsolete state lines, the ridiculous interpretations of the First Amendment by the Supreme Court and the destruction of individual and local rights by a massive "federal" govt justify the exercise of the right to alter the form of govt, as Jefferson said.

Many nations may come out of the current unwieldy USA. Let the strong prevail; let accomplishment, intelligence, art, grace, tradition, talent and creativity resume their proper place to replace the mediocre intellectual and economic environment of a dying nation.

Obama's "stimulus" could be just the shot of euthanasia we need. Who would think this nice quiet fellow from Harvard Law School would be the equivalent of a bomb-throwing Russian anarchist of the 19th century?

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Bush Family Interests
Posted by: US Citizen on Feb 4, 2009 12:14 PM   
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Fascism may have been the Bush family interests' goal all along. Just as it was easier to install fascism in Europe in the Thirties with a destroyed economy, it is easier to install fascism now in the United States with a failed economy. This could be George W. Bush's proudest accomplishment. Without a democracy, Jeb could surely rule.

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IT HASN'T HIT ENOUGH PEOPLE HARD ENOUGH YET! CRY ME A RIVER OF PINK SLIPS-LAYOFFS
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Feb 4, 2009 12:26 PM   
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What is happening over there, will eventually find its way here IF there isn't some relief in sight, and quickly! And that is all there is to it. I think most people are in great denial, and allow themselves to be distracted by the ploys of main stream media, as well as Wall Street, and all the widgets, and gadgets,along with the overall struggle of daily life, they do not see, and in some cases don't want to see what is truly behind the curtains.

"Truth is silent, but silence becomes a lie if it remains silent. And a silent truth is dangerous."

It hasn't hit enough people hard enough yet!!

Things are broken. So much corporate greed, has caused America to bleed, and the bleeding needs to stop. Deregulation by the Neocons starting with Reagan, and Reaganomics, started this mess, and the bushy boy administration continued it, until it ruined things on a massive scale. We are in perilous times, it has resulted in a globalizational melt down the likes of which we have yet to uncover, with catastrophic economic results.

I am sure, and I'd bet a four year salary that when President OBAMA took this job, he didn't know the full extent of the mess he was inheriting until he opened and read dear old george bushie boy's letter, and met were given the real figures, and met with all government officials.

My question is this:

WILL THEY LET HIM DO HIS JOB, TO MAKE CHANGE?
WILL HE GET THE SUPPORT HE NEEDS TO DO SO?
Those are the 700BILLION DOLLAR QUESTIONS!!!!

Meanwhile:
GOD HELP US ALL!! GOD HELP US ALL!!!

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» Squeeze It Posted by: edgar1
THE PRESIDENT'S THE RAPIST?
Posted by: Dennis St. John on Feb 4, 2009 12:27 PM   
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The ad to the left is positively shocking! Is it about sex, or the economy? Is it Bush or Obama?

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On That Warning: Struggling with State-power
Posted by: pdxjoe on Feb 4, 2009 12:35 PM   
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"There will be, he warned, a huge 'expansion of government power.'"

Whether this is a good or bad thing will depend on whether it is an expansion of a working-class power or the power of property and profit. The middle-class trope played up during the whole campaign IS a nod towards the power of property and profit. We cannot let the debate be framed against our interests.

Slavoj Zizek put it best in an article that came out right after the bailout:

"The real dilemma is not ‘state intervention or not?’ but ‘what kind of state intervention?’ And this is true politics: the struggle to define the conditions that govern our lives."

We must struggle to define government as something other than a kind or version of business. We must struggle to define State-power in terms of the working-class, not of the owning-class (whether they are the big bourgeois or the modest middle-class). We must struggle to define a society in which individual property-ownership (wealth) and "earning-power" (income) are not measures of social power.

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There's got to be a morning after
Posted by: willymack on Feb 4, 2009 12:52 PM   
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So, our economy is shot, and we'll all soon be in tatters. What do we do then? I'm glad you asked; I'll tell you what we'll do. We'll re-invent our economy along HUMANITATIAN principles, minus the greedy scumbags who've robbed us blind. If we can't use money, fine; we'll barter for what we need, produce our own food locally, do things for one another, and lift ourselves out of the ditch one day at a time. One thing for certain is that we can't return to the "good ol' days", because, frankly, they SUCKED.

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Theres more to the gloom and doom shown here
Posted by: donl51 on Feb 4, 2009 1:02 PM   
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.....Foreclosures and not being able to find supportive work is one thing...what about those older folks who've thankfully paid off their homes and can't sell them...property tax bills arrive and when you haven't the money the threats soon follow...many of us have used up most or all of our retirement savings ,having lost work earlier than anticipated due in large part to the outsourcing of those jobs helped along by one who's name I'll leave out....no funds for the states from the fed to operate due to a war we never asked for,or the corruption that followed...so now what?fixed incomes ,people who can't work that'd like to.the state raises its property tax amidst all this!!...more and more people are holding onto their guns!!...things are looking bad!

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11.6 MILLION UNEMPLOYED-- JUST A MATTER OF TIME! DOOM!
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Feb 4, 2009 1:18 PM   
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Here's a real doom and gloom reality.
IF all those 11.6 million unemployed, were no longer receiving their unemployment benefit checks and had no other source of income, ____.??

You fill in the blank!

Scary huh? That's real doom!
GOD help us all!

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feel sorry for u guys
Posted by: mikslim on Feb 4, 2009 1:34 PM   
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this is scary for u americans
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/feb2009/cali-f04.shtml

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COMMUNISM - WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE?
Posted by: barefeet on Feb 4, 2009 1:48 PM   
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Hate to insert a term that has been, unwisely and too soon, relegated to the trash heap in America.

Seems to me that our old nemesis, communism, should be reconsidered.

Seems to me that dictatorship of the proletariat, eliminating the power of big business, and quickly and permanently stomping out people that prey on the public have a certain attraction about them.

We have shown the world that democracy is unsustainable maybe it is time to bite the bullet and admit that socialism and communism have much to offer us by comparison.

This January China sold substantially more Chinese cars in China than all car manufacturers national and foreign TOGETHER sold in America.

Now just what's NOT to like about communism?

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» RE: COMMUNISM - WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE? Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
Lifesaver No Longer, Time for Nativism
Posted by: mikebppa on Feb 4, 2009 2:14 PM   
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Following WWII, the USA implemented the Marshall Plan, and the recipients all benefited immensely from this generosity of the American people.

Now, that life guard is sitting at the bottom of the pool drowning with the countries of the world on its shoulders, and yet continuing to do all the same things, even under the Obama administration, and people will ask, why are things continuing to worsen?

Obama requested a 10% reduction in the defense budget. That does not scratch the surface of addressing the true problem.

Obama will largely be ineffective to creating REAL change for even his own party is controlled by the same people that control the Republicans.

The FED will continue to do whatever they think is best for their small group of investors.

Defense will continue to spend more than the rest of the world combined.

So what can be done?

1. End illegal immigration overnight by fining employers that hire illegals. $1,000 fine per day, per illegal. No border fences needed, no deportation, and billions saved when they pack up and return home the same way they came, on foot if necessary.

2. Pull out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, Japan and Korea. And that is just the start. Cut all foreign bases in half, maintaining only those that have true defensive abilities for the USA.

3. Abolish the IRS, and go to a flat tax on all income. Eliminate tax returns, and implement incentives for small business to continue to grow and hire people. IT IS SMALL BUSINESS PROVIDING JOBS IN AMERICA, NOT LARGE CORPORATIONS.

4. In a Medicare type approach, provide health benefits for all USA citizens and legal residents for procedure codes that would include preventive healthcare, basic care, and basic dental screenings and cleaning. The insurance companies could offer a long list of plans, all defined that would include those services beyond basic care.

75% of all heathcare cost occurs in the last 3-6 months of life for the average America. Thus, if one has less than one year to live, let that care be one of the options one can buy from the insurance companies.

Transplants, which help the average recipient for only about 5 years would also fall under the optional plans offered by the insurance companies. Many transplants of vital organs exceed $1 million per procedure, and some people receive as many as 5 or more transplants to stay alive when 100 million people in America have no healthcare, or healthcare not worth the paper it is written on.

5. Abolish all lobbying by corporations and special interest groups. Eliminate contributions for political campaigns with the exception of individuals, and also limit the individual contributions to USA citizens or legal residents. Return to government of the people.

Failing to do all the above, and Obama and every president that follows will leave America mired in collapse.

It is time for America to think of America and invest only in our country. How many hundreds of billions are wasted on places like Iraq each year?

Use that money to encourage development within small business. Why are we worried about democracy in an Islamic state that holds democracy to be in violation to their religion when we sit by and allow our own to crumble from financial ruin and chicanery?

Implement a 10 % flat tax for all businesses that employ 500 people or less. Watch big business launch one small business after another to spur growth and save the money.

Big is not better, it is just big. And the FACTS are that small business is where AMERICA has grown in the past 20 years.

Wake up Obama, WAKE UP CONGRESS! Before it is too late!

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» THIS IS A WELL REASONED POST, BUT... Posted by: Dennis St. John
gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Feb 4, 2009 2:17 PM   
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Our form of government is not the problem it is the solution. When regulations are enforced both corporations and government toe the line. What we have now is a imbalance in our government that will be corrected when all have to follow the rules as they exist and will exist in the future.
You can keep your communism and socialism, take a deep breath, can you smell the rest of the trash that surrounds them. Are there really some who still believe in this stuff?

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Posse commitatus
Posted by: mariorsx on Feb 4, 2009 3:54 PM   
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The Troops been here since 2007. Mr. Obama needs to reverse it. It could get really ugly if people protest right now...They are ready to suppress any dissent.

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» RE: Posse commitatus Posted by: gimmie shelter
So when to we cash out our 401(k)'s
Posted by: vwilkins on Feb 4, 2009 4:32 PM   
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What I want to know is, how many Americans are going to cash out their 401(s)and will paying that absurd penalty and crazy tax be worth it if they can find a Safe Haven to stash it before it all dwindles to -0? All the financial advisors are standing firm with the usual ra-ra of "Ride-It-Out" and "Don't Panic". Hmmm - I'm beginning to feel it's a stall tactic to keep you in until the crooks take it out.

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» RE: So when to we cash out our 401(k)'s Posted by: gimmie shelter
You're missing the point
Posted by: GeoL on Feb 4, 2009 4:58 PM   
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Mr. Wolin hopes that the political parties and leadership will realize the depth of the problems we face, and laments that the Left no longer has the capacity to counterbalance the corporate powers.

He's missing the point. The politicians are perfectly well aware of the problem. They are part of it. Without acknowledging it,he describes how successful politicians are bought and paid for by corporate money. They will do nothing to bite the hands that feed them the power and status that they crave. So Obama, the great herald of change, will increase funding of the military-industrial complex that profits from war. He will continue to feed the greed of the financial barons who brought down the economies of the US and much of the world for their profit. He'll tinker around the edges of the health care crisis, but leave the private insurers and pharmaceutical giants in charge. This isn't change, it's a new face representing the same masters.

And the Left has lost the capacity to balance this? You may not have noticed, but there is no left and America. Hasn't been for 50 years. The Communists have been driven out, and the Socialists are a pitiful group, marginalized and ridiculed by the working-class people that they would help. The very word is an object of fear and loathing to hurl at anyone who criticizes the corporate state. And what passes for the American extreme left is in what other countries would be the center.

And how did that happen? The corporations control the media, and poison minds with lies while distracting us with spectacle and trivia. Who will stop it? Not corporate government. Not the watchdogs of the press. Not the corporate megachurches. The people might, with a genuine mass uprising, but we have no means even to communicate and organize on the necessary scale, even if the corporate masters would allow it.

America is finished. To the Founding Fathers: Nice try. Better luck next time.

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list part 2
Posted by: Zimbly on Feb 4, 2009 6:13 PM   
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COLORADO Trinidad - WWII German/Italian camp being renovated. Granada - Prowers County - WWII Japanese internment camp Ft. Carson - Along route 115 near Canon City

FLORIDA Avon Park - Air Force gunnery range, Avon Park has an on- base "correctional facility" which was a former WWII detention camp. Camp Krome - DoJ detention/interrogation center, Rex 84 facility Eglin AFB - This base is over 30 miles long, from Pensacola to Hwy 331 in De Funiak Springs. High capacity facility, presently manned and populated with some prisoners. Pensacola - Federal Prison Camp Everglades - It is believed that a facility may be carved out of the wilds here.

GEORGIA Ft. Benning - Located east of Columbus near Alabama state line. Rex 84 site - Prisoners brought in via Lawson Army airfield. Ft. Mc Pherson - US Force Command - Multiple reports that this will be the national headquarters and coordinating center for foreign/UN troop movement and detainee collection. Ft. Gordon - West of Augusta - No information at this time. Unadilla - Dooly County - Manned, staffed FEMA prison on route 230, no prisoners. Oglethorpe - Macon County; facility is located five miles from Montezuma, three miles from Oglethorpe. This FEMA prison has no staff and no prisoners. Morgan - Calhoun County, FEMA facility is fully manned & staffed - no prisoners. Camilla - Mitchell County, south of Albany. This FEMA facility is located on Mt. Zion Rd approximately 5.7 miles south of Camilla. Unmanned - no prisoners, no staff. Hawkinsville - Wilcox County; Five miles east of town, fully manned and staffed but no prisoners. Located on fire road 100/Upper River Road Abbeville - South of Hawkinsville on US route 129; south of town off route 280 near Ocmulgee River. FEMA facility is staffed but without prisoners. McRae - Telfair County - 1.5 miles west of McRae on Hwy 134 (8th St). Facility is on Irwinton Avenue off 8th St., manned & staffed - no prisoners. Fort Gillem - South side of Atlanta - FEMA designated detention facility. Fort Stewart - Savannah area - FEMA designated detention facility

HAWAII Halawa Heights area - Crematory facility located in hills above city. Area is marked as a state department of health laboratory. Barbers Point NAS - There are several military areas that could be equipped for detention / deportation. Honolulu - Detention transfer facility at the Honolulu airport similar in construction to the one in.Oklahoma (pentagon-shaped building where airplanes can taxi up to).

IDAHO Minidoka/Jerome Counties - WWII Japanese-American internment facility possibly under renovation. Clearwater National Forest - Near Lolo Pass - Just miles from the Montana state line near Moose Creek, this unmanned facility is reported to have a nearby airfield. Wilderness areas - Possible location. No data.

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abusedbypenguins
Posted by: abusedbypenguins on Feb 4, 2009 6:43 PM   
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In the late 70's the corporate media stopped referring to Mexico as a third world country but as just Mexico. Then came nafta after we had gotten used to being on the same level as Mexico. The US, Canada and Mexico are equal all being third world countries. Mexico has a very small, very rich ruling population but then so do we. I had wondered when it became fashionable to make a profit from pain and suffering. When the nixon creature was in the white house the republican scum were taking over haspitals, insurance companies and the drug firms. They have planned this for over 40 years and now they have it. Better buy a gun.

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» RE: abusedbypenguins Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
Are you ok right now?
Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line on Feb 4, 2009 7:03 PM   
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Well are you? Right now.. as you are reading this... This thought keeps me from giving into hysteria... I read this article this morning and was full of gloom and doom, and then I thought about it... Aand I went on with my day which included talking to someone about setting up a farm to chef collaborative... then went on the radio to talk about CSAs... basically all I am saying here is that if you give into the hysteria that is ever present here it is impossible to see reality. Hysteria is not healthy and nothing positive comes of it. NOTHING. SO Are you OK right now? Cause right now is all there is.. there is no future as it is not in form yet... Nobody knows what will happen next.. NOBODY... So why not get out there and make this the country you think it can be ... or is it just easier to whine about it?

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Feb 4, 2009 7:03 PM   
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Why is when so many are losing their jobs in America that almost no police are losing their jobs, and even less for those that work for government. In fact I think the federal government may actually be hiring.
I live in small town with our own police force which recently purchased tazers, now I really wonder who they are for.

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» RE: gimmie shelter Posted by: Fat Man at the Buffet Line
The Reality
Posted by: jaworsza on Feb 4, 2009 7:04 PM   
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Realities of our times:

-Mass Media companies are corporately owned; thus prone to a great deal of bias which is inescapable within the business realm.

-The myth that our current crisis could not have been predicted in the long term is a farce. The Austrian School of Economics has been predicting a collapse of this magnitude for decades. Prominent economists, scholars, and political figures have also maintained a strong dissent against our current system.

-Countries that attempt to "bail-out" firms and provide "stimulus packages" at a time of tremendous deficit will be fruitless in their attempts based on a simple concept. It only stimulates the Federal Reserve to flood the economy with new money, lots of new money. This ultimately leads to the hyperinflation of their currency. This has been obvious over the course of history, and one must not look far to find examples.

-Speaking of the Federal Reserve....The institution is illegal in its very existence. The constitution, whose writers all knew the pains associated with central banks, explicitly prohibits the coining of money by anybody except the government. The Federal Reserve is a Central Bank, which is just about as federal as FEDEX. It is a private bank which has been given the right to control our currency and debase its value. This Private Institution is shrouded in secrecy, and is subject to zero governmental regulation or audits. The Fed is Criminal, and due to their tampering in the markets by artificially controlling interest rates, they are solely responsible for this crisis.

-Obama is not the answer, he is only fortunate enough to have keened into a 'new-school' politico, using the internet and appealing to the youth of the country. He is the representation of change, the first African-American president, however as far as policy is concerned, we will only be given an illusion of change, if nothing at all. He hails from the most corrupt state in the union, and gathered unfathomable sums of money through corporate "contributions." This is a severe representation of poor character.

-We have been mislead by the hierarchy into believing in a sustained democracy. The truth is, this is not a democracy. We have neglected our freedoms and liberties; and they are now being exploited.

-We are brain-washed, we are in-debt, and we are being monitored daily despite our "extensive" civil rights. We are thrust into wars we don't believe in for the benefit of few and detriment of many. We are taxed and we are robbed. Our two-year campaign trails are circuses used to distract and alienate citizens.


Our founders are turning in their graves; They would be ashamed. We were supposed to protect our freedom! We've been sold off.. ashes to ashes..


We must open our eyes, we must resist this system, shun it. We need to rise in revolt. Take back our planet. do the right thing.

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We have to defeat the globalists not either party
Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Feb 4, 2009 8:32 PM   
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Commerce Secretary-designate Judd Gregg (NH-R) left his Republican seat in Congress. He thinks it's OK to off shore American business and pay for them to do it. This says he is a globalist and won't bring jobs here...but only there. Obama gave this man power?

Now the New Hampshire Democratic governor says he promised to replace Gregg with a Republican in Congress. He should be impeached and thrown out of the party. He doesn't want to win?

The NH Democratic governor, with the big phony capital, wants bipartisanship to rule? After eight years of bad policy he wants to keep Republicans in power? He is a globalist (and hidden Republican) to say that. Bipartisan rule never helped Clinton. They made Democrats meet in the basement for hearings, didn't consult, etc. We give away our power...AGAIN.

To be Senator Al Franken is still fighting the win in his state of Minnesota. He's not in Congress yet. What the MN court can't rush that along since the state now lacks a Senator in DC? That's not important in these times of financial chaos that the citizens of that state don't have representation? Don't elect those judges again MN.

Let Harry Reid decide Al? Boy you are trusting the wrong guy. Isn't this like the Supremes deciding the Bush win when the votes weren't even all counted let alone recounted? A "dog and pony show" with the winner already decided by Kissenger, etc.?.

Howard Dean and Emanuel looked for Republicans and had them run as Democrats. The Progressives they kept from power....any anti-war and globalist candidate got no support or funds (like here in Illinois). Hastert could have been defeated but they didn't want a majority in the House. The country was ready for change and still is.

That would be two people in Congress which Democrats need to have a majority to win by 2/3rd vote (over ride the President, other party, etc.). Can't have that can we? Over and over the Democrats first in power find a way to not have a majority. Why is that? They aren't really Democrats and want to ignore their mandate from the people? Seems that way doesn't it?

I'm sick of the Democratic leader's lies and manipulation to lose power every election since 2000. They aren't Democrats but globalists with pro-globalization and Empire...wars agenda. OK so now you know Republicans and Democrats, we can't elect globalists or bipartisan representatives any more. We don't ever win.

I smell a DemocRAT or should I say...globalist?

Read The Rise of the Fourth Reich by Marrs. I don't agree that the Masons are Neo Cons. Most of the part about the globalists and Fascism seems true. I've read it other places.

We now have National Socialism in America with them robbing us for the few elite at the top. Banks merge and we bail them out. It is Fascist just like pre-war Germany folks. No money for the people but for war and profit.

We have to know who the enemy is so we can defeat them. It is not Bin Laden who takes our freedoms and way of life. It is our own leaders. The fight is within. As Jefferson stated, democracy can not be defeated from outside but from within.

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First Off
Posted by: hilly7 on Feb 4, 2009 9:27 PM   
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We are not now, nore have ever been a Demrocacy....we are a Republic.

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Totalitarianism Or Dissolution
Posted by: bcgirl125 on Feb 4, 2009 9:39 PM   
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These are two distinct though opposing possibilities, and the seed of both of them exists in American culture. It depends on whether the nation reacts to economic failure in the same manner as Germany in the 30s, or the USSR in the 80s.

Americans could either rally behind a strong leader (not very likely, since America is too divided in political opinion for any large majority to coalesce behind any one person), or retreat into regionalism ie "states' rights", and increasingly disregard central authority.

Dmitry Orlov, who lived through the collapse of the USSR, published an article about
"The Five Stages of Collapse" which detail the degree to which a society has devolved from its peak complexity. It's a depressing read, since I think we are through stage 1 and beginning stage 2.

At any rate, Orlov's site is well worth exploring if you are interested in economic musings.

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2008/02/
five-stages-of-collapse.html

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It won't be ok anytime soon
Posted by: Dboy on Feb 5, 2009 12:04 AM   
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I like the support for Obama, I really do. But here's the problem. When Obama walked into that Oval Office he was immediately put into political chains that even Houdini could not escape from. Even if he means well, this monstrous system will prevent real change from happening. This system was engineered BY the wealthy, FOR the wealthy. And therefore the economic problem as it is defined in the media is not the ACTUAL problem that Obama is being asked to solve. The problem appears to be "how to we pull out of a major recession caused by various inter-relating factors?" But the REAL question they are attempting to solve is "how can we (the ruling class who is actually running things and owns everything) maintain power and get the "consumer" (we are not citizens, we are CONSUMERS) to start buying stuff again so we can continue to milk that cow (you and me)?" THOSE are two very different questions with two different strategies required. This is why the proposed "solutions" seem so..strange. The proposed solutions logically seem not what would be required in order to solve the stated problem. And of course that's because the problem they are trying to solve is not the problem we all assume they are trying to solve. The PROBLEM is: HOW TO MAINTAIN POWER.

The elites have no intention of letting a little depression destroy their positions of wealth and comfort. That's why the proposed solutions are all a a variation of: "let's give ourselves a shit load more money and then give the bill to the working class". Obama can't DO change! That's what he was elected to do, but his boss (the owners) don't want that. They will *entertain* the discussion of change, but that is merely crumbs for the working class. Paraphrasing Richard Nixon, "tell them what they want to hear, meanwhile let's do this...". I know it sucks, but it is the truth. Quite frankly, we do not own America, we don't have a real voice in America, and we are not free in America. The ruling classes will never, EVER stop milking this cow (you and me). Perhaps, someday, people will actually want freedom enough to fight for it. And it will require literal fighting. Freedom for Americans will not simply be handed out. It will require killing perhaps the top 1,000 elite families in the US, along with their relatives residing in other countries. Until that happens, these proposed solutions are just a variation on a theme.

THAT'S what's going on, and now you know why.

Think I'm wrong about Obama? Really? He's already approved a new round of air-strikes in Pakistan. No doubt the air-strikes were done "in the name of freedom", "to wipe out terrorism", etc....that's all bullshit. Terrorism is people fighting back. that's what it really is. It's people without power striking that those who DO have it. Meet the new boss...

dboy

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Complacency is all I see here!
Posted by: Quist on Feb 5, 2009 7:21 AM   
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Many but not all Baby Boomers, Gen Xers and Echo Boomers in America are totally complacent, indoctrinated and apathetic. Wake up and realize that life as you know it is going to change dramatically for many!

My grandmother, who saw the Great Depression, major environmental destruction, uncontrolled consumerism, genocide, oil shortages, extreme racism, 9-11, Nixon/Watergate, huge banking scandals (savings & loans), major Wall Street corruption, JFK/MLK/RFK assasinations, her youngest boy being sent to Vietnam, her grandson being sent to Iraq, population spike, Hiroshima/Nagasaki, and the World Wars within her lifetime, reminded me that sometimes the sky actually does fall...figuratively speaking.

Also, it should be realized that concern, awareness, understanding, realism and empathy are very different from alarmism. What I see here on this post and in this country are too many people who really lack any real awareness, understanding, realism and/or empathy. It seems that some here need to protect their status quo and isolated thinking by labeling reason, freethinking, empathy and awareness as "alarmism". Pathetic!!!

You may now go back to your complacent and apathetic lives.

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Banks are as they were back in WWII
Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Feb 5, 2009 2:14 PM   
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Jefferson said democracy can not be defeated from outside enemies but from within. It seems this is true today with the Trilateral Commission.

"Endgame is at hand. For the Trilateral crowd, the game is about over. The recent reemergence of original members Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Brent Scowcroft and Paul Volker serves to reinforce the conclusion that the New International Economic Order is near.

The Trilateral Commission and its members have engineered the global economic, trade and financial system that is currently in a state of total chaos.

Does that mean that they have lost? Hardly.

As I recently wrote in Chorus call for New World Order, they are using the crisis to destroy what remains of national Sovereignty, so that a New World Order can finally and permanently be put into place. " P. Wood.

Jefferson said democracy can not be defeated from outside enemies but from within. It seems this is true today with the Trilateral Commission.

They have to destroy us to win? Whose going to feed, take care of their health, keep them safe, etc. They can't do that alone. No tyrannical government has ever won or survived...and their leaders lived.

I know many in Congress are not members of this commission but Emanuel and Obama are. This worries me. This worries me because their plan is just chaos and destruction...and death for many. There is no win or prosperity for the world only a few demented power mongers such as Kissinger. A man who wanted to be President but gave up and becomes ruler of the world? Is this his anger taken out on us? He (and the others mentioned above) prospered in this country but have to have it all? Are they different than Hitler or Napoleon? Not by much.

I'd like President Obama (given a public trust and love of the people like few others in our history as a democracy) to negate the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, and FEMA powers of shadow government to bring the people back to confidence and energy to get out of this mess. He can do it with a stroke of the pen like Jefferson and the Sedition Act (Adams).

Since these banks have abused us and are out to destroy our economy and freedoms, we have to make our own banking systems (Federal Reserve gone) in America. They are broke (so they say) so they won't be in charge.

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ba
Posted by: mnstra on Feb 5, 2009 2:43 PM   
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You are really behind the times.Where have you been/?
We just had 8 years of Bush rule, the worst in a century, We just gave our wealth to the finance industry. The totalitarianism has been here for us since 9/11.
You make it sound like things will get worse. --they have. They have for the torture victims, they have for the inner city, they have for the homeowner who was just evicted. Wake up...........

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All Empires Fall/ "Castles Made of Sand, Fall Into the Sea.."--Hendrix
Posted by: ATH on Feb 5, 2009 4:54 PM   
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All empires fall, and usually due to the same mistakes. America represents an unsustainable model that causes millions of others to suffer, for we are but 5% of the world's population, yet we use up 25% of its resources.
Unfortunately, others, like China, are trying to reproduce this type of model, and this spells doom not just for America, but for all countries, and the planet itself. The Earth does not have enough resources to support the amount of people in existence, especially when we are living such a wasteful, toxic existence. The only way of life that's truly sustainable, and will not cause enviromental havoc, is the type of lifestyle we lived as "cavemen." And eventually, unless the population of the Earth is severely reduced, we will--if we survive the change--be returned to such a stage. Of course, there will be many things we have learned, and things we've saved, that will make life very different from the lives of actual 'cavemen.' But our existence will be similar...

As I said in the beginning, all empires fall, and usually for many of the same reasons. The fall of Rome and the decline of the U.S. have many things in common, but there are two major factors which they have in common and which cause the most damage: an over-extended military, and a devalued currency.

In the U.S. our democratic Republic has been replaced by a type of corporatism. Mussolini said, "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism for it is the perfect merger of corporate and State power." The Military Industrial Complex, International Private Bankers (and private corporations like the FED acting as Central Banks), and the other major corporations--pharmaceuticals and energy (oil, gas)-- now control our government and media. They are all intertwined in a complex web, a kind of headless monster that results in gross inequality, with the top 1% of our population controlling more wealth than the bottom 90%. This inequality, along with the devaluation of our dollar caused by manipulation of our currency by the FED and international and Wallstreet bankers, is now coming to its inevitable conclusion: collapse. But these bankers will first rob the taxpayers one last time (in these so-called "bailouts") before the whole thing collapses.

If we used money for its intended purpose--trade/exchange--we wouldn't have this gross inequality; but instead, money is manipulated to serve the few. Also, if we had an economy that wasn't based on war (our number one export is weapons...number 2 is probably jobs!)we wouldn't need 178 (and counting) military bases around the world; we wouldn't spend billions on making sure there was always chaos in the world (yes, that's what we really do)in order to create this huge demand for weapons, the sale of which, again, only benefits a small portion of people, and thus doesn't affect the over-all economy, which, in this capitalist system, is driven by the base of the economy, the consumers!
You'd think that, at least for the cause of preserving our society, and leaving a halfway decent world for their children and grandchildren, that these 'masters of the universe' would reign in their greed somewhere past the 100 million mark, but no! It seems the more they make, the greedier they become, and the tighter they become! They think they will be insulated from the fall-out...but they're wrong.

One last revelation: Republicans do not support "pro-life" because they actually care about children, otherwise they wouldn't stop caring the second the child was born, which is shown by actions like them blocking S-CHIP legislation which would provide all children with healthcare. The real reason is that they want their to be lots of parents with children they didn't want and couldn't afford, etc. because these type of children grow up to be the perfect military recruits!
Soooo sad.

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Has everyone watched Zeitgeist the Movie and ZeitGeist: Adeddum?
Posted by: RR#1 on Feb 6, 2009 4:27 AM   
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you must if you want to start thinking outside of the box at a future that is within our grasp technologically but unattainable under the free market system.
Yours,
RR
go here and download it it is free and I found the link here about six months ago.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/dloads.htm

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Feb 6, 2009 9:04 AM   
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I am neither a Republican or a Democrat but rather I am an American who grew up believing in this country and not just my little piece of grass. We need to get back together as one nation and not just small groups that can be picked off easily. What is going on now was created by both parties and it is up to us to make sure this movie does not have an even worse ending for Americans.
When was the last time your elected official, regardless of party did what you wanted? I know the pain. These people in Washington do not care one wiff, they do not even read the bills they pass, what is it that they are to busy doing that they won't read what they are making law? Naturally one would only read something they could make a difference about so our representatives either must by helpless to change things or they are in agreement with it. You decide.
Between RFID'S and One World Order, North American Union, FEMA camps, The military operating in our streets, the lack of assistance given to "We the people", instead of they the corporations and connected, the NSA wiretapping, Trilateral Agreement, Counsel on Foreign Relations, torture, illegal wars, the military not getting what they needed to protect themselves, Continuity of government signing, Blackwater operating in the U.S., media consolidation, our government paying reporters to act as shills, no one except the low level get prosecuted for crimes, the Supreme Court hands a person the presidency and private property to corporations, ground zero workers being told it was ok to breath the air, the keystone comedy act of our military response to the attack.
This is not the America I love and care about, the one I thought would always try to do the right thing. Does anyone else feel the same way?
We really need to get back to being a nation founded on something more than profit and consumerism. For a long time people of the world came here, at great hardship to themselves and their families, to have a better future and live the American dream, somehow that dream is now keeping us awake at night, not so comfortable anymore.
We are headed for a collision with our destiny, what that will be is determined by each American and where they stand when the time comes, be a part of the solution and not part of the problem. Don't give away your rights and freedoms to those who would claim it's OK or when they say it will be OK If you just follow me. Go to Youtube and or Google to look up some of the things I mentioned earlier like FEMA camps and RFID's ect..
We need to take our country back legally we are all Americans, jam the phone lines of government, email, write letters but do something, do not wait for someone else to do it for you. It may never get done and you will be at the whim of others. Tell them how you feel about what you are seeing happen to this country.

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Regarding the State...
Posted by: jlowelld on Feb 6, 2009 1:50 PM   
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Since its inception some 7,000 years ago, the state (by which I mean those individuals who, singly or collectively, manipulate to whatever ends the coercive apparatus for which they claim legitimacy) has been the prime killer in human history...states are killing machines controlled by the few to steal from the many...Pierre L. van den Berghe

Wolin points to the root of current crisis: the state-market-system. Until this has been completely re-thought in a way that doesn't concentrate wealth in the hands of the few, any attempts to save it (contemporary culture) are futile. The range of problems we face as a culture and a species, starting with the impending environmental collapse, would require a complete reversal of the cultural trend of concentrated capital which began with the neo-lithic agricultural revolution. In other words, the human conscience needs to evolve--or die.

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The Editor
Posted by: Our Language on Feb 6, 2009 2:19 PM   
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Regarding John Ralston Saul:

I am so pleased to see your reference to his books. The precision, clarity and prescience of his observations is highly remarkable. Thanks!

It seems like a small number of us who are habitually projecting and thinking about what is going to happen. I frequently am moved to, but refrain from, asking my family, friends and acquaintances "well, what did you think was going to happen?" Because... they don't. Aversion to discomfort.

at takebackourlanguage.com there is a section called "irreproachable quotes." There are a number of weighty quotes by Saul there, and elsewhere in the site.

I also greatly admire Derek Jensen. He is a writer who does not flinch. He is not for the discomfort-averse.

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Go trolling!
Posted by: zorro on Feb 7, 2009 3:30 AM   
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There is a forum called U.S.Military. They have articles and comments and so forth. Anybody can register. But they do censor you if use the slightest negativity toward the others, so keep it rational, logical and informative.

I urge everyone to get in it and flood them with links and logical conlusions about anything and everything. Use as much support as possibnle. They respond with a lot of logical fallacies and cry over an ocer again for evidence but give none.

Please get in it and educate the military and military families.

They can choose to ignore you, but at first they will respond. They are sheltered from any and all information except their military bush propaganda.

You will know when they respond because you get an e-mail. Just know that the spooks will be very interested in who you are. But dont let that scare you. Blast em with knowlege and reason and links to credible sources.

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» RE: Go trolling! Posted by: Dboy
Economic crisis? Hell, this is a 'democracy crisis'
Posted by: amacd on Feb 7, 2009 9:33 PM   
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Perhaps, even more than Jefferson and Lincoln, Obama should be sensitive to the overarching genius of our American Republic’s founding (and continuing) focus on democracy: — America’s founding genius is that democracy applies equally to all men, and to all aspects of self-governance.

Our current ‘financial/economic crisis’ is merely a symptom of our much more critical crisis in democracy.

Obama, in his weekly radio addresses, his Internet chats (and requests for input), and his frequent press conferences and heart-felt discussions is gamely trying to establish a level of candor and understanding with the American people that has been sorely missing from our political, economic and civic town-square for too long.

NYT reports Obama dialoging with the American people this morning and leveling with us that, “In the midst of our greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression, the American people were hoping that Congress would begin to confront the great challenges we face. That was, after all, what last November’s election was all about.”

Yes, Obama, we were hoping that in November. But even more than “confronting the (symptom of this current) economic crisis”, I was hoping, and many others were certainly hoping, that our representative Republic would have the courage to change and confront the underlying democracy crisis that allows domestic economic crises, and foreign war crises to fester and block our intended participation in the American democratic model.

Obama is certainly intimately aware of that famous civil rights call, “Democracy delayed is democracy denied”, and he is well aware that temporary (but long) delays in applying the genius of American democracy to minorities, and women have finally been rectified. But our America today is still not the classless, universal democratic Republic that Jefferson and Lincoln envisioned.

A great chasm of inequality, under-representation, and lack of functioning democracy exists between the ruling-elite and average citizens, between investors and workers, and between the unelected power of money and the power of universal democracy to shape our society in all the spheres that our founders intended; the political, civil, and economic well being of our commonwealth.

The founding idea of the American Revolution against the British (political and economic) Empire, from the Boston Tea Party against the economic tyranny of the East India (Royal) Corporation, to political resistance against the monarchy’s Governors, to direct confrontation against the King’s military oppression, was all focused toward the new democratic ideal of voluntary self-governance in all matters of society (except the personal choice of the one non-governmental sphere — religion).


Religion was separated from the very concept of a society’s governance, and each was insured of a separate and non-interfering space. But all other aspects of men’s (peoples’) lives within a voluntary self-governance fell within the prevue of a commonwealth of representative democracy in our American Republic —- based on equal representation.

The goal and promise of America’s democratic Republic has now been shown to have broken down almost entirely along the lines and hierarchy common to Empire, and not democracy.

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Feb 8, 2009 6:46 AM   
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Take a look in Wikipedia for Trilateral Commission and you will find Paul Volcker's name as one of the group....enjoy..... then look up Council on Foreign Relations and see who is there and why. Make sure you read all that's there to get the full impact. These guys are not Boy Scouts they are all part of the same team and they are not on our side, but rather are on the side of world domination. See you in the FEMA camps.

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sunday morning doing wash and looking at this week's...
Posted by: ellie on Feb 8, 2009 7:58 AM   
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posts... all that is seen is a huge blame game going on and nothing really constructive being agreed on except small issues not the el grande picture...

what is the realistic worst case scenario??? now that everyone has that pic in their head, now turn it around to see it's opposite...

now there's a game plan, we realized the worst, made it into a positive, now to put the plan into action... yeah, it might take a little more then sitting down and putting effort into typing on a keyboard...

what have you got to realistically bring to the table??? this is consensus building and working towards a plan of action...

ideas??????????

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Feb 9, 2009 12:20 PM   
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TIMELY WORDS
FOR BUYERS AND SELLERS IN 2009

Despite the poor economy that most of us are dealing with today, the megayacht industry will have its largest EVER year in 2009 with over 1,000 megayachts over 80' in length on order. The largest increase is in orders for boats in the 150-200' size range. All told, the orders would stretch 24 miles if laid end to end. It does seem a trifle - what's the word - 'bizarre' that there is a segment of the world's population that is doing so well.

For the rest of us who are engaged in the boating industry whether we are sellers, buyers, brokers, lenders or dealers the recreational boating market has declined 30% in the past three years. In a nutshell this means brokerage houses are more than ever educating their customers about the importance of real time values, dealers will be holding the line on floor plans and looking for new value added customer services, marine lenders are going to require higher credit scores and debt-to-income factors will come into play more than in the past. For sellers it means coming to grips with today's boat values. For buyers, it is a heyday.
This is real, why would you suppose megayacht sales would be going up?

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» RE: gimmie shelter Posted by: gimmie shelter
movie indian
Posted by: tribhuvan on Feb 9, 2009 1:32 PM   
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Made at a nominal budget (under 10 crores), the film will break even in its 10 day run itself. Since collections are seeing an increase with every passing day (Friday was decent, Saturday was good and Sunday too has opened on a heartening note) with positive word of mouth and great reviews contributing immensely, DEV D is all set to be second success of 2009 after RAAZ - THE MYSTERY CONTINUES. Feedback has been mainly positive all over, whether North or South of India. Though family audiences won't really warm up to the film due to it's strong adult content, it won't harm the prospects of DEV D since it's a kind of 'blockbuster' film that needs 50 crores to break even!

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Real Estate-Real Estate

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movie indian
Posted by: tribhuvan on Feb 9, 2009 1:32 PM   
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Made at a nominal budget (under 10 crores), the film will break even in its 10 day run itself. Since collections are seeing an increase with every passing day (Friday was decent, Saturday was good and Sunday too has opened on a heartening note) with positive word of mouth and great reviews contributing immensely, DEV D is all set to be second success of 2009 after RAAZ - THE MYSTERY CONTINUES. Feedback has been mainly positive all over, whether North or South of India. Though family audiences won't really warm up to the film due to it's strong adult content, it won't harm the prospects of DEV D since it's a kind of 'blockbuster' film that needs 50 crores to break even!

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YOUR DUFUS CONGRESS!
Posted by: reelman on Feb 10, 2009 10:05 AM   
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THE INEPT DUFUS CONGRESS!

Here we are watching TV Feb 10.2009…the dufus congressman or woman is asked about the stealth Health Care control in the Pork-u-Lus Bill…they have a staff, they have time…but what do we hear? “IF its in there”, “I will check on that”, etc. You are paid by our taxes to READ the bills!

The vote is TODAY and you are weaving all over the place with these dumb responses to simple questions about a trillion dollar (borrowed) bill that will change our lives in many areas for many years? These 700-1,500 page bills are their tactic to hide all they can from voters! Notice they never will have these bills divided into 10-15 bills…nooo, the hidden vote-buying waste may see daylight. Disgusting sneaky congress.

One has to believe these dumb animals are simply there to spend (overspend) your money blindly. Don’t kid yourself…its gonna take thousands more NEW lifetime federal employees to implement this stinker. How is that going to help you?
Can you imagine your family or city or Church running their finances like the dufus congress? These people are dangerous. They are power hungry. They only want to buy enough votes to get elected for 40 years to the arrogant royal congress…then become a million a year lobbyist. Until many more millions of voters come to understand the congress is the problem and has been for many years we are screwed.

At least FAX these inept clowns before they do even more damage in the conference committee (if that is possible)!
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish

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