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No More Band-Aid Solutions to the Financial Crisis: We Need to Build an Economy that Works

Our economic system has failed in every dimension: financial, environmental, and social. We must go in a new direction.
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Editor's Note: The following is an excerpt from Agenda for a New Economy: From Phantom Wealth to Real Wealth by David Korten, published by Berrett-Koehler Publishers, 2009.

Our economic system has failed in every dimension: financial, environmental, and social. And the current financial collapse provides an incontestable demonstration that it has failed even on its own terms. Spending trillions of dollars in an effort to restore this system to its previous condition is a reckless waste of time and resources and may be the greatest misuse of federal government credit in history. The more intelligent course is to acknowledge the failure and to set about redesigning our economic system from the bottom up to align with the realities and opportunities of the twenty-first century.

The Bush administration's strategy focused on bailing out the Wall Street institutions that bore primary responsibility for creating the crisis; its hope was that if the government picked up enough of those institutions' losses and toxic assets, they might decide to open the tap and get credit flowing again. The Obama administration has come into office with a strong focus on economic stimulus, and particularly on green jobs -- by far a more thoughtful and appropriate approach.

The real need, however, goes far beyond pumping new money into the economy to alleviate the consequences of the credit squeeze. We need to rebuild the system from the bottom up.

The recent credit meltdown has resulted in bailout commitments estimated in November 2008 to be $7.4 trillion, roughly half of the total U.S. gross domestic product (GDP). Congressional passage the previous month of a $700 billion bailout package to be administered by the Treasury Department sparked a vigorous national debate that focused attention on the devastating consequences of Wall Street deregulation. Other, even larger government commitments, including $4.5 trillion from the Federal Reserve, largely escaped notice. Large as the bailouts were, the failure of the credit system is only one manifestation of a failed economy that is wildly out of balance with, and devastating to, both humans and the natural environment.

Wages are falling in the face of volatile food and energy prices. Consumer debt and housing foreclosures are setting historic records. The middle class is shrinking. The unconscionable and growing worldwide gap between rich and poor, with its related alienation, is eroding the social fabric to the point of fueling terrorism, genocide, and other violent criminal activity.

At the same time, excessive consumption is pushing Earth's ecosystems into collapse. Climate change and the related increase in droughts, floods, and wildfires are now recognized as serious threats. Scientists are in almost universal agreement that human activity bears substantial responsibility. We face severe water shortages, the erosion of topsoil, the loss of species, and the end of the fossil fuel subsidy. In each instance, a failed economic system that takes no account of the social and environmental costs of monetary profits bears major responsibility.

We face a monumental economic challenge that goes far beyond anything being discussed in the U.S. Congress or the corporate press. The hardships imposed by temporarily frozen credit markets pale in comparison to what lies ahead.

Even the significant funds that the Obama administration is committed to spending on economic stimulus will do nothing to address the deeper structural causes of our threefold financial, social, and environmental crisis. On the positive side, the financial crisis has put to rest the myths that our economic institutions are sound and that markets work best when deregulated. This creates an opportune moment to open a national conversation about what we can and must do to create an economic system that can work for all people for all time.

Treat the System, Not the Symptom

As a student in business school, I learned a basic rule of effective problem solving that has shaped much of my professional life. Our professors constantly admonished us to "look at the big picture." Treat the visible problem -- a defective product or an underperforming employee -- as the symptom of a deeper system failure. "Look upstream to find the root cause. Find the systemic cause and fix the system so the problem will not recur." That is one of the most important things I learned in more than twenty-six years of formal education.

Many years after I left academia, an observation by a wise Canadian friend and colleague, Tim Brodhead, reminded me of this lesson when he explained why most efforts fail to end poverty. "They stop at treating the symptoms of poverty, such as hunger and poor health, with food programs and clinics, without ever asking the obvious question: Why do a few people enjoy effortless abundance while billions of others who work far harder experience extreme deprivation?" He summed it up with this simple statement: "If you act to correct a problem without a theory about its cause, you inevitably treat only the symptoms." It is the same lesson my business professors were drumming into my brain many years earlier.


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David Korten is a former economist with USAID, author of "When Corporations Rule the World," and an associate of the International Forum on Globalization.
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Democratic Socialism might be the wave of the future?!
Posted by: Jay Randal on Feb 17, 2009 12:25 AM   
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Unregulated Capitalism has failed, just like the opposite extreme Communism, so Democratic Socialism makes its debut for America. Pres. Obama might be the last defender of Wall Street and Militarism.

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Here are Seven Policies for a Start ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 17, 2009 12:56 AM   
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Here are seven policies that we must implement to start to change our economy

~ Nationalization of all banks ... to get liquidity and trust back into the banking system.

~ Nationalization of the Fed ... Why should we borrow our own money? We need a Public Central Bank that creates our currency and credit for the benefit of the public who underwrite its value and shoulder the risk.

~ HR 676 Medicare for All ... Saves millions of jobs, helps the under and uninsured, helps business, helps the states and can start to be implemented within a month or two and finished within 18 months.

~ Higher taxes on the well to do, the closing of loopholes and all income counted as ordinary income ... A Carbon Tax, A Tobin Tax .... The budget deficit must be contained.

~ A shorter workweek ... Why should we have a 40 hour workweek? Efficiency has been going up for decades, yet real wages and benefits are flat and falling. The new economy won't have tens of millions of jobs in retail anymore, we have to spread the work. How about a 32 hour workweek? We went from 48 to a 40 hour work week six days to five and it worked just fine.

~ Bankruptcy "CramDowns" for consumers to get them back on the right track. Acorn and other social agencies could prepackage BKs for bankruptcy judges. And then credit has to get much tighter.

~ Cut the Defense Budget by 50% ... we spend more than almost all other countries combined! Military spending is dead end spending.

Politically possible? ... Not right now ... but when the Dow hits 6000 anything goes ...

and ...

If we don't start demanding these reforms they will never even get considered ... We need big answers to big problems.

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think out of the box
Posted by: richholland on Feb 17, 2009 1:11 AM   
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the capitalistic system leads to crisis every 50 - 60 years.

why so many american people, in their hearts friendly and nice. think it is normal that some individuals have billions and others live on foodstamps???

And try to export this crazy system all over the world.

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mike munk
Posted by: lastmarx1 on Feb 17, 2009 1:38 AM   
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I'm afraid your prescription #4"honor sound, rule-based market principles." makes every one of the others unattainable

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Toxic effect
Posted by: Perry Logan on Feb 17, 2009 3:33 AM   
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You mean...life is not an Ayn Rand novel?

Another major dimension of capitalism's failure is its toxic effect on freedom and democracy.

Far from promoting human rights and democracy, capitalism seems to destroy it wherever it goes. The marriage between Friedmanism and the most atrocious dictatoraship is well-known, outside of Wingnutania.

America went whole-hog for capitalism--and our democracy is on full life support. (Mark Crispin Miller estimates the Republicans reduced Obama's victory by half. We have traitors amongst us.)

Meanwhile, tiny, impoverished Cuba--under embargo for decades--has a far better health care system than us. So much for communism not working!

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looking "upstream"
Posted by: SteveBreeze on Feb 17, 2009 3:36 AM   
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With most every problem I see I look upstream as you say, and I find special interest lobbyists’ with fistfuls of cash tilting the system to the benefit of the wealthy few. What we really need first is public funding of campaigns. The politicians will work more in the public interest if they are entirely on the public’s payroll.

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Thoreau
Posted by: kafka, f on Feb 17, 2009 4:01 AM   
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KPMG KPMG KPMG/Tax Shelter Tax Shelter Tax Shelter. Of course all the banks are insolvent and KPMG audits a disproportionate amount of them. You thought KPMG’s tax shelter shenanigans were disturbing, such activities were nothing compared to the 100s of Billions of fraud contained in the banks financial statements that KPMG audits. Just remember Flynn and his high priced lawyers tried to help put all the tax shelter partners in prison, what do you think Flynn is going to do to all the Audit Partners who have helped the banks engage in massive fraud by signing off on fraudulent bank financial statements? Though it is difficult to muddle through the fraudulent KPMG bank financial statements, it is not impossible and from that you can profit. Many of us made a small fortune shorting Citibank the KPMG audit client just by understanding the fraudulent nature of Citi’s financials. It is like taking candy from a baby, a favorite KPMG saying.

As one small example for all you dopes who somehow think the system is not and has not always been rigged by liars and thieves, Citi’s 10q as of 9/31/08 shows capital of about $126 billion yet its market cap as of today is $19 Billion (though it is likely insolvent). Forget about FAS 157 there are a million ways around it, the more difficult scam to discern is the use of SIVs to offload bad assets from Citi’s balance sheet so it does not have to recognize the losses. To Citi’s credit it does disclose in footnote 15 of its 10q potential exposure of about $130 Billion for part of their SPEs. Of course such amount is in excess of its stated book capital and almost 7 times larger than its current market cap and likely massively understated.

I know no one saw this coming; you can’t know the unknown; and all KPMG did was follow the accounting rules. Then how come a dope like me could figure it out? Further, that is what the tax partners thought before Tim Flynn, Joe Loonan and Swen Holmes tried to get them put in prison. In fact, many beginning as early as 2005 saw this problem coming like Dr. Roubini and used simple math to explain why. If KPMG is so expert at anything, why didn’t KPMG see this coming and warn all the decimated Citi investors. Personally, I am glad KPMG continued to produce the self evident fraudulent financials because me and my kind made a fortune off all the idiots who think any integrity exists within the fraudulent accounting statements or companies (such statements are reflective of).

In fact, Dr. Roubini is suggesting formally nationalizing all the banks (which most of are already 100% owned on a fair market value basis) because the system is insolvent. It may be time to short these fraudulent companies yet again if he is right, any thoughts?

15. SECURITIZATIONS AND VARIABLE INTEREST ENTITIES

The following tables summarize the Company's significant involvement in VIEs in millions of dollars:


As of September 30, 2008
(continued)
Maximum exposure to loss in
significant unconsolidated VIEs
(continued) As of December 31, 2007(1)
Total maximum exposure Consolidated
VIE assets Significant
unconsolidated
VIE assets(2) Maximum exposure to loss in
significant unconsolidated
VIE assets(3)
356,326 $ 152,248


Total stockholders' equity 126,062 126,962 (1

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The big picture is planetry and it needs balancing
Posted by: outlook on Feb 17, 2009 4:10 AM   
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The phantom wealth-creating money men, perched atop of the global economic pyramid, have been sustained, not only be America's working and middle-class,but by all the millions of poverty-stricken third world workers who have been sucked into America's economic engine. The only change, which eventually will have to be addressed, is global justice. This is unlikely to happen whist America is still fighting for global hedgmony, and China is working to replace America's place in the world. The American people are too addicted to their 'supremacy' to allow this President to change the 'status quo'. think what happened to President Carter when he attempted to awaken people. New ideas appeal to a few enlightened beings on the West and East coast; most westerners are sleep-walking.

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Jobs that create real value
Posted by: edgar1 on Feb 17, 2009 5:23 AM   
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We need to rebuild manufacturing: whatever it takesFinancial services and mortgage backed securities, intangibles, got us into trouble. A few were enrichd. Now many face poverty and ruin.

the climate however is not on the verge of collapse. no study claims this, including the biased IPCC climate change prediction report of 2008.

Real economic growth means use of carbon. There is no other realistic way to keep unemployment down and production up. We will need a defensive military to protect us from the Asians who will be angry at us for keeping their goods out, which we must. Asians and Latinos, except for highly skilled scientists, must be excluded, to provide jobs for Americans.

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Another solution to the economic mess...
Posted by: cmaukonen on Feb 17, 2009 6:55 AM   
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I find these solutions interesting in that nearly all of them require holding on to some aspect of the current disaster that benefits the writer(s). Kind of a let's you do it but I'll pass kind of deal.

"Well I’ve signed about a thousand petitions,
And my golf score is six under par.
And I keep myself up on the issues
By listening to N.P.R.,
And you know that I’m changing the world
With these stickers all over my car!
So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal!"

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Good morning, America...
Posted by: freelyb on Feb 17, 2009 7:03 AM   
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...Time to stretch and put on the coffee. There's lots to be done. I look forward to working with all of you to better our country and our planet.

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Read the Green Party platform
Posted by: greenferret on Feb 17, 2009 7:24 AM   
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You'll find:
-Medicare for all
-progressive taxation
-carbon tax
-Tobin tax
-shorter workweek
-drastic cuts in military spending
-public campaign financing

If you look at the Greens' response to the financial meltdown, they were calling for nationalization of the banks and the fed, and renegotiation of adjustable-rate mortgages to allow people to keep their homes.

You want social democracy? What are you waiting for? http://gp.org/

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recovery incentives equal invitation to change
Posted by: Craig Collier on Feb 17, 2009 7:28 AM   
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"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." R Buchminister Fuller
We can't put enough money or resources into the old model to change the process and thereby the end result. We need to create a new model using existing resources, organizations and opportunities while we are moving through the largest economic challenge in our history.
Co-op: "an autonomous association of persons united voluntarily to meet common economic, social, and cultural needs and aspirations through a jointly-owned and democratically-controlled enterprise".
Bioregion: "an area constituting a natural ecological community with characteristic flora, fauna and environmental conditions and bounded by natural rather than arificial borders".
Economic regions: WORKING PAPER NO.03-23 AN ALTERNATIVE DEFINITION OF ECONOMIC REGIONS IN THE U.S. BASED ON SIMILARITIES IN STATE BUSINESS CYCLES - Theodore M. Crone
Co-op capitalism based on bio-economic regionalism: not yet totally created but possibly a workable format in which to organize and finance the building of sustainable value.
We've been working on creating an equitable distribution system since we moved into town 10,000 years ago. We just took a little detour and mistook creating money for value. Maybe if we refocus on value (infrastructure, cultural, social), we can use incentives within a different operating system to redirect without tearing the whole thing down.

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Had to read it twice
Posted by: sawdust on Feb 17, 2009 7:37 AM   
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The author was smoking WHAT, exactly, when he wrote this? And the publisher was under the influence of?

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If your serious
Posted by: Zimbly on Feb 17, 2009 8:05 AM   
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Get rid of the Federal Reserve..open up rotten apple and expose it to the light of public scrutiny.

If Obama is really serious about curing the ills of America, then the Federal Reserve...which is a privately owned company, needs to be shut down and the power to create the money put back into the hands of the Government......then the whole equation is changed and there won't be this nefarious entity creating "balloon money" out of thin air and having people to pay them back with "real assets"

Stop the crime, shut down the Federal Reserve, Nationalize the Banks.......end of sentence.

Sounds easy right........ I can assure you if Obama does that..it will be Dealy Plaza for him....and he knows that

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Congress represents the consciousness of the majority
Posted by: outlook on Feb 17, 2009 8:42 AM   
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and the majority are thoroughly indoctrinated. Before President Obama can implement change he can believe in, he has the painful job of re-educating Congress and, hopefully, the majority of Americans. There are plenty of good ideas floating around the blogosphere; sadly, for him and the rest of us, the chances of this awesome task succeeding are minimal.

Maybe, just maybe, they will all wake-up when the s--t hits the proverbial fan; and it might then be too late.

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no more band-aides
Posted by: pfm on Feb 17, 2009 10:17 AM   
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Increasingly with the passing of each day more Americans are awaking to the reality of our USA economy. This reality is sobering and for many initially extremely shocking evoking disbelief and fear. American culture is cliché pabulum filled fast, speed emblemized by our ubiquitous fast food burger-doodle outlets, 30 second corporate media news propaganda, Presidential calls to shop as a means to alleviate the threat of terrorism, attention directed to TV “idol” shows or trudging off to support your local “pro” team.

The American economy in February 2009, is like viewing a cult movie … Chain Saw Massacre … the difference we really don’t know how our economy plays out…? While Chain Saw Massacre is make believe, what we see with our own eyes, hear with our own ears, feel with our own sense is real, when we turn the knob it does not go away, but remains.

That we have been educated to find our individual value in the “stuff” we have, not being able to shop every day, purchasing “stuff” which quickly we throw away, we feel unfulfilled, alone, afraid.

Our economy can quickly be not only restored but lead create much greater fulfillment for all but first we must wake up from the dream state our current education has put us in. Demand and accept nothing less than full disclosure from all in any office of government, from President, Congress, State, County and local too. Begin by closing down the IRS and bogus Federal Reserve, yea, I know, that’s asking a lot. I invite you to look behind the curtain and see who for all these years has manipulated our economy not for our benefit but solely for theirs. It is but a handful of greedy, selfish, immoral men and women seeing themselves different from you and me. Well, guess what, they’re not.

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Watch this podcast: the Cuban answer to peak oil
Posted by: jlowelld on Feb 17, 2009 11:27 AM   
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This is not only a great video, it's an answer to the gobal environmental/economic/energy crisis. If we are to survive as a species, this is the direction humans need to take. This should be shared with every one, in every culture, and in every language. Thanks to the Cuban people for being a model of survival and hope!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-66172489666918336

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Korten writes what I think - better than I think it
Posted by: Givvemhell on Feb 17, 2009 11:46 AM   
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How do we get the President, Congress and our state legislators to hear what WE are saying? They are so hell bent on preserving their privileged status for them and their lobbying buddies that they are panic stricken and deaf from the alarm bells going off in their own heads. They hear our noise and say we are screaming, but they won't listen to what we are actually saying. Every time I have contacted them about this crises I get back nothing but campaign rhetoric crap. We are experiencing them in a confounding state of denial to the detriment of the whole world. How can we be effective? What can we do to get them on the right track?

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"absurd theories of our own,"
Posted by: oregoncharles on Feb 17, 2009 12:24 PM   
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Korten is willing to think radically about our economy and is full of good ideas, but I happen to know, because I discussed it with him personally, that politically, he's an Obama Democrat.

We've all heard the line about doing the same old thing and expecting different results. That's more human than insane, but it certainly places us in a straitjacket.

Why would anyone expect anything truly new from a politician whose whole record says he's a "radical centrist," or a party that is utterly beholden to big-business money?

We've come to the end of our rope and we're dangling over a cliff, folks. Time to try something new; time for politics that might actually let us rethink our economy, instead throwing untold trillions at the same old banksters.

www.gp.org

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KISSY FACE BHO APPROVES A SHARP INCREASE OF TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN !!!!
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Feb 17, 2009 1:30 PM   
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29242187/

READ IT AND WEEP !!

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We've only just begun...
Posted by: Sojourner on Feb 17, 2009 2:02 PM   
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I've been reading the kind of blah, blah in this article for years. And those who dared to say so 25-30 years ago have proved to be right. But I have seen enough analysis in general terms to last me a lifetime.

If you don't have a specific proposal (the prez says he is willing to listen to those, by the way) get out of the way.

The US Congress has just floated a big parachute because the sky IS falling. No, it will not be enough, because we are caught between the rock and the hard place.

My specific proposal is to reign in off-shore capitalism, establish a corporate tax rate that history showed was fair, and regulate the living h3ll out of the economy. Yes, rationing stamps if that is what it takes. Greed will always prevail over regulation, and that will not change.

Do not blow this moment! We have enough going for us to make it to a more just society. Of course government must dance with the princes of finance. How else do we put them to work for us?

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This article . . .
Posted by: yesman on Feb 17, 2009 10:31 PM   
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. . . contains so much essential truth about our current situation that it is almost certain to be ignored. So far, Americans have shown little willingness to truly take account of our present situation. Views such as Mr. Korten's give me some hope, but the hordes of mindless consumers still haunting the stores and streets restore me to despair.

This is the perfect opportunity to change direction, to begin to rebuild a truly humane society. Will we rise to this challenge? Seems doubtful.

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Quite an "adjustment".
Posted by: Stew on Feb 20, 2009 2:26 PM   
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"Why do a few people enjoy effortless abundance while billions of others who work far harder experience extreme deprivation?"

This question/observation makes it quite clear that the whole game - rules, rule-breakers, Keynsians, Freidmanites, wealth re-distribution, consumerism, etc. is ALL WRONG.

Can a world economy grow from local, resource/value-based systems? hmmmm...

-stew

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Democratic Socialism might be the wave of the future?!
Posted by: Jay Randal on Feb 17, 2009 12:25 AM   
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Unregulated Capitalism has failed, just like the opposite extreme Communism, so Democratic Socialism makes its debut for America. Pres. Obama might be the last defender of Wall Street and Militarism.

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Here are Seven Policies for a Start ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 17, 2009 12:56 AM   
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Here are seven policies that we must implement to start to change our economy

~ Nationalization of all banks ... to get liquidity and trust back into the banking system.

~ Nationalization of the Fed ... Why should we borrow our own money? We need a Public Central Bank that creates our currency and credit for the benefit of the public who underwrite its value and shoulder the risk.

~ HR 676 Medicare for All ... Saves millions of jobs, helps the under and uninsured, helps business, helps the states and can start to be implemented within a month or two and finished within 18 months.

~ Higher taxes on the well to do, the closing of loopholes and all income counted as ordinary income ... A Carbon Tax, A Tobin Tax .... The budget deficit must be contained.

~ A shorter workweek ... Why should we have a 40 hour workweek? Efficiency has been going up for decades, yet real wages and benefits are flat and falling. The new economy won't have tens of millions of jobs in retail anymore, we have to spread the work. How about a 32 hour workweek? We went from 48 to a 40 hour work week six days to five and it worked just fine.

~ Bankruptcy "CramDowns" for consumers to get them back on the right track. Acorn and other social agencies could prepackage BKs for bankruptcy judges. And then credit has to get much tighter.

~ Cut the Defense Budget by 50% ... we spend more than almost all other countries combined! Military spending is dead end spending.

Politically possible? ... Not right now ... but when the Dow hits 6000 anything goes ...

and ...

If we don't start demanding these reforms they will never even get considered ... We need big answers to big problems.

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think out of the box
Posted by: richholland on Feb 17, 2009 1:11 AM   
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the capitalistic system leads to crisis every 50 - 60 years.

why so many american people, in their hearts friendly and nice. think it is normal that some individuals have billions and others live on foodstamps???

And try to export this crazy system all over the world.

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mike munk
Posted by: lastmarx1 on Feb 17, 2009 1:38 AM   
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I'm afraid your prescription #4"honor sound, rule-based market principles." makes every one of the others unattainable

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Toxic effect
Posted by: Perry Logan on Feb 17, 2009 3:33 AM   
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You mean...life is not an Ayn Rand novel?

Another major dimension of capitalism's failure is its toxic effect on freedom and democracy.

Far from promoting human rights and democracy, capitalism seems to destroy it wherever it goes. The marriage between Friedmanism and the most atrocious dictatoraship is well-known, outside of Wingnutania.

America went whole-hog for capitalism--and our democracy is on full life support. (Mark Crispin Miller estimates the Republicans reduced Obama's victory by half. We have traitors amongst us.)

Meanwhile, tiny, impoverished Cuba--under embargo for decades--has a far better health care system than us. So much for communism not working!

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looking "upstream"
Posted by: SteveBreeze on Feb 17, 2009 3:36 AM   
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With most every problem I see I look upstream as you say, and I find special interest lobbyists’ with fistfuls of cash tilting the system to the benefit of the wealthy few. What we really need first is public funding of campaigns. The politicians will work more in the public interest if they are entirely on the public’s payroll.

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Thoreau
Posted by: kafka, f on Feb 17, 2009 4:01 AM   
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KPMG KPMG KPMG/Tax Shelter Tax Shelter Tax Shelter. Of course all the banks are insolvent and KPMG audits a disproportionate amount of them. You thought KPMG’s tax shelter shenanigans were disturbing, such activities were nothing compared to the 100s of Billions of fraud contained in the banks financial statements that KPMG audits. Just remember Flynn and his high priced lawyers tried to help put all the tax shelter partners in prison, what do you think Flynn is going to do to all the Audit Partners who have helped the banks engage in massive fraud by signing off on fraudulent bank financial statements? Though it is difficult to muddle through the fraudulent KPMG bank financial statements, it is not impossible and from that you can profit. Many of us made a small fortune shorting Citibank the KPMG audit client just by understanding the fraudulent nature of Citi’s financials. It is like taking candy from a baby, a favorite KPMG saying.

As one small example for all you dopes who somehow think the system is not and has not always been rigged by liars and thieves, Citi’s 10q as of 9/31/08 shows capital of about $126 billion yet its market cap as of today is $19 Billion (though it is likely insolvent). Forget about FAS 157 there are a million ways around it, the more difficult scam to discern is the use of SIVs to offload bad assets from Citi’s balance sheet so it does not have to recognize the losses. To Citi’s credit it does disclose in footnote 15 of its 10q potential exposure of about $130 Billion for part of their SPEs. Of course such amount is in excess of its stated book capital and almost 7 times larger than its current market cap and likely massively understated.

I know no one saw this coming; you can’t know the unknown; and all KPMG did was follow the accounting rules. Then how come a dope like me could figure it out? Further, that is what the tax partners thought before Tim Flynn, Joe Loonan and Swen Holmes tried to get them put in prison. In fact, many beginning as early as 2005 saw this problem coming like Dr. Roubini and used simple math to explain why. If KPMG is so expert at anything, why didn’t KPMG see this coming and warn all the decimated Citi investors. Personally, I am glad KPMG continued to produce the self evident fraudulent financials because me and my kind made a fortune off all the idiots who think any integrity exists within the fraudulent accounting statements or companies (such statements are reflective of).

In fact, Dr. Roubini is suggesting formally nationalizing all the banks (which most of are already 100% owned on a fair market value basis) because the system is insolvent. It may be time to short these fraudulent companies yet again if he is right, any thoughts?

15. SECURITIZATIONS AND VARIABLE INTEREST ENTITIES

The following tables summarize the Company's significant involvement in VIEs in millions of dollars:


As of September 30, 2008
(continued)
Maximum exposure to loss in
significant unconsolidated VIEs
(continued) As of December 31, 2007(1)
Total maximum exposure Consolidated
VIE assets Significant
unconsolidated
VIE assets(2) Maximum exposure to loss in
significant unconsolidated
VIE assets(3)
356,326 $ 152,248


Total stockholders' equity 126,062 126,962 (1

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The big picture is planetry and it needs balancing
Posted by: outlook on Feb 17, 2009 4:10 AM   
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The phantom wealth-creating money men, perched atop of the global economic pyramid, have been sustained, not only be America's working and middle-class,but by all the millions of poverty-stricken third world workers who have been sucked into America's economic engine. The only change, which eventually will have to be addressed, is global justice. This is unlikely to happen whist America is still fighting for global hedgmony, and China is working to replace America's place in the world. The American people are too addicted to their 'supremacy' to allow this President to change the 'status quo'. think what happened to President Carter when he attempted to awaken people. New ideas appeal to a few enlightened beings on the West and East coast; most westerners are sleep-walking.

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Jobs that create real value
Posted by: edgar1 on Feb 17, 2009 5:23 AM   
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We need to rebuild manufacturing: whatever it takesFinancial services and mortgage backed securities, intangibles, got us into trouble. A few were enrichd. Now many face poverty and ruin.

the climate however is not on the verge of collapse. no study claims this, including the biased IPCC climate change prediction report of 2008.

Real economic growth means use of carbon. There is no other realistic way to keep unemployment down and production up. We will need a defensive military to protect us from the Asians who will be angry at us for keeping their goods out, which we must. Asians and Latinos, except for highly skilled scientists, must be excluded, to provide jobs for Americans.

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Another solution to the economic mess...
Posted by: cmaukonen on Feb 17, 2009 6:55 AM   
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I find these solutions interesting in that nearly all of them require holding on to some aspect of the current disaster that benefits the writer(s). Kind of a let's you do it but I'll pass kind of deal.

"Well I’ve signed about a thousand petitions,
And my golf score is six under par.
And I keep myself up on the issues
By listening to N.P.R.,
And you know that I’m changing the world
With these stickers all over my car!
So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal!"

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Good morning, America...
Posted by: freelyb on Feb 17, 2009 7:03 AM   
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...Time to stretch and put on the coffee. There's lots to be done. I look forward to working with all of you to better our country and our planet.

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Read the Green Party platform
Posted by: greenferret on Feb 17, 2009 7:24 AM   
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You'll find:
-Medicare for all
-progressive taxation
-carbon tax
-Tobin tax
-shorter workweek
-drastic cuts in military spending
-public campaign financing

If you look at the Greens' response to the financial meltdown, they were calling for nationalization of the banks and the fed, and renegotiation of adjustable-rate mortgages to allow people to keep their homes.

You want social democracy? What are you waiting for? http://gp.org/

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recovery incentives equal invitation to change
Posted by: Craig Collier on Feb 17, 2009 7:28 AM   
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"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." R Buchminister Fuller
We can't put enough money or resources into the old model to change the process and thereby the end result. We need to create a new model using existing resources, organizations and opportunities while we are moving through the largest economic challenge in our history.
Co-op: "an autonomous association of persons united voluntarily to meet common economic, social, and cultural needs and aspirations through a jointly-owned and democratically-controlled enterprise".
Bioregion: "an area constituting a natural ecological community with characteristic flora, fauna and environmental conditions and bounded by natural rather than arificial borders".
Economic regions: WORKING PAPER NO.03-23 AN ALTERNATIVE DEFINITION OF ECONOMIC REGIONS IN THE U.S. BASED ON SIMILARITIES IN STATE BUSINESS CYCLES - Theodore M. Crone
Co-op capitalism based on bio-economic regionalism: not yet totally created but possibly a workable format in which to organize and finance the building of sustainable value.
We've been working on creating an equitable distribution system since we moved into town 10,000 years ago. We just took a little detour and mistook creating money for value. Maybe if we refocus on value (infrastructure, cultural, social), we can use incentives within a different operating system to redirect without tearing the whole thing down.

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Had to read it twice
Posted by: sawdust on Feb 17, 2009 7:37 AM   
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The author was smoking WHAT, exactly, when he wrote this? And the publisher was under the influence of?

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If your serious
Posted by: Zimbly on Feb 17, 2009 8:05 AM   
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Get rid of the Federal Reserve..open up rotten apple and expose it to the light of public scrutiny.

If Obama is really serious about curing the ills of America, then the Federal Reserve...which is a privately owned company, needs to be shut down and the power to create the money put back into the hands of the Government......then the whole equation is changed and there won't be this nefarious entity creating "balloon money" out of thin air and having people to pay them back with "real assets"

Stop the crime, shut down the Federal Reserve, Nationalize the Banks.......end of sentence.

Sounds easy right........ I can assure you if Obama does that..it will be Dealy Plaza for him....and he knows that

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Congress represents the consciousness of the majority
Posted by: outlook on Feb 17, 2009 8:42 AM   
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and the majority are thoroughly indoctrinated. Before President Obama can implement change he can believe in, he has the painful job of re-educating Congress and, hopefully, the majority of Americans. There are plenty of good ideas floating around the blogosphere; sadly, for him and the rest of us, the chances of this awesome task succeeding are minimal.

Maybe, just maybe, they will all wake-up when the s--t hits the proverbial fan; and it might then be too late.

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no more band-aides
Posted by: pfm on Feb 17, 2009 10:17 AM   
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Increasingly with the passing of each day more Americans are awaking to the reality of our USA economy. This reality is sobering and for many initially extremely shocking evoking disbelief and fear. American culture is cliché pabulum filled fast, speed emblemized by our ubiquitous fast food burger-doodle outlets, 30 second corporate media news propaganda, Presidential calls to shop as a means to alleviate the threat of terrorism, attention directed to TV “idol” shows or trudging off to support your local “pro” team.

The American economy in February 2009, is like viewing a cult movie … Chain Saw Massacre … the difference we really don’t know how our economy plays out…? While Chain Saw Massacre is make believe, what we see with our own eyes, hear with our own ears, feel with our own sense is real, when we turn the knob it does not go away, but remains.

That we have been educated to find our individual value in the “stuff” we have, not being able to shop every day, purchasing “stuff” which quickly we throw away, we feel unfulfilled, alone, afraid.

Our economy can quickly be not only restored but lead create much greater fulfillment for all but first we must wake up from the dream state our current education has put us in. Demand and accept nothing less than full disclosure from all in any office of government, from President, Congress, State, County and local too. Begin by closing down the IRS and bogus Federal Reserve, yea, I know, that’s asking a lot. I invite you to look behind the curtain and see who for all these years has manipulated our economy not for our benefit but solely for theirs. It is but a handful of greedy, selfish, immoral men and women seeing themselves different from you and me. Well, guess what, they’re not.

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Watch this podcast: the Cuban answer to peak oil
Posted by: jlowelld on Feb 17, 2009 11:27 AM   
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This is not only a great video, it's an answer to the gobal environmental/economic/energy crisis. If we are to survive as a species, this is the direction humans need to take. This should be shared with every one, in every culture, and in every language. Thanks to the Cuban people for being a model of survival and hope!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-66172489666918336

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Korten writes what I think - better than I think it
Posted by: Givvemhell on Feb 17, 2009 11:46 AM   
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How do we get the President, Congress and our state legislators to hear what WE are saying? They are so hell bent on preserving their privileged status for them and their lobbying buddies that they are panic stricken and deaf from the alarm bells going off in their own heads. They hear our noise and say we are screaming, but they won't listen to what we are actually saying. Every time I have contacted them about this crises I get back nothing but campaign rhetoric crap. We are experiencing them in a confounding state of denial to the detriment of the whole world. How can we be effective? What can we do to get them on the right track?

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"absurd theories of our own,"
Posted by: oregoncharles on Feb 17, 2009 12:24 PM   
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Korten is willing to think radically about our economy and is full of good ideas, but I happen to know, because I discussed it with him personally, that politically, he's an Obama Democrat.

We've all heard the line about doing the same old thing and expecting different results. That's more human than insane, but it certainly places us in a straitjacket.

Why would anyone expect anything truly new from a politician whose whole record says he's a "radical centrist," or a party that is utterly beholden to big-business money?

We've come to the end of our rope and we're dangling over a cliff, folks. Time to try something new; time for politics that might actually let us rethink our economy, instead throwing untold trillions at the same old banksters.

www.gp.org

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KISSY FACE BHO APPROVES A SHARP INCREASE OF TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN !!!!
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Feb 17, 2009 1:30 PM   
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29242187/

READ IT AND WEEP !!

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We've only just begun...
Posted by: Sojourner on Feb 17, 2009 2:02 PM   
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I've been reading the kind of blah, blah in this article for years. And those who dared to say so 25-30 years ago have proved to be right. But I have seen enough analysis in general terms to last me a lifetime.

If you don't have a specific proposal (the prez says he is willing to listen to those, by the way) get out of the way.

The US Congress has just floated a big parachute because the sky IS falling. No, it will not be enough, because we are caught between the rock and the hard place.

My specific proposal is to reign in off-shore capitalism, establish a corporate tax rate that history showed was fair, and regulate the living h3ll out of the economy. Yes, rationing stamps if that is what it takes. Greed will always prevail over regulation, and that will not change.

Do not blow this moment! We have enough going for us to make it to a more just society. Of course government must dance with the princes of finance. How else do we put them to work for us?

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This article . . .
Posted by: yesman on Feb 17, 2009 10:31 PM   
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. . . contains so much essential truth about our current situation that it is almost certain to be ignored. So far, Americans have shown little willingness to truly take account of our present situation. Views such as Mr. Korten's give me some hope, but the hordes of mindless consumers still haunting the stores and streets restore me to despair.

This is the perfect opportunity to change direction, to begin to rebuild a truly humane society. Will we rise to this challenge? Seems doubtful.

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Quite an "adjustment".
Posted by: Stew on Feb 20, 2009 2:26 PM   
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"Why do a few people enjoy effortless abundance while billions of others who work far harder experience extreme deprivation?"

This question/observation makes it quite clear that the whole game - rules, rule-breakers, Keynsians, Freidmanites, wealth re-distribution, consumerism, etc. is ALL WRONG.

Can a world economy grow from local, resource/value-based systems? hmmmm...

-stew

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