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The Right's Jack Bauer Fantasy: 'Clip the Electrodes to His Balls and Turn on the Juice'

By Larry Beinhart, AlterNet. Posted February 5, 2009.


"24" helped brainwash Americans to accept the brutal, illegal actions of the Bush administration.

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Credit where credit is due. The TV show "24" is probably the most significant piece of political drama in the last decade.

On one hand, it is very likely that Barack Obama got elected because America had already had a serious black presidential candidate (one season) and two black presidents (one season each). And he was always the most decent guy in the room. Often, the only decent guy in the room. Just like Obama.

On the other hand, there's torture.

* Terrorists are going to nuke Los Angeles in three hours.

* Agent Jack Bauer has a suspect who knows where the bomb is.

* If Jack Bauer tortures the suspect, he can force him to say where it is, get there in 2 hours and 59 minutes, stop the bomb, and save 10 million people.

* What should, what must, Jack Bauer do?

That's a no-brainer. Clip the electrodes to his balls and turn on the juice.

I don't know how many people have actually watched "24," but there's not a person in America who is not familiar with the "ticking-bomb scenario." It sounds so darn logical that it's hard not to buy into it. A remarkable number of people have.

Dick Cheney and Michael Chertoff (ex-head of Homeland Security) are big fans. They thought that they were directing real-life Jack Bauers.

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said a Jack Bauer should not be prosecuted, because "Jack Bauer saved Los Angeles. … He saved hundreds of thousands of lives."

If he were prosecuted, Alan Dershowitz has already laid out the defense!

As drama, the ticking bomb is thrilling. "24" is the "Perils of Pauline" on crack.

In reality, it is a pernicious and deceitful fantasy.

The reference point is, of course, 9/11. Before that day, we were soft and naïve. If only we had tortured someone, we could have stopped it. And saved American lives! That, of course, is utterly false.

We had quite enough information to have prevented 9/11. It had been gathered through normal and legal police and intelligence methods. It was not used due to bureaucratic infighting, ineptitude, incompetence, excess secrecy, and, most of all, the willful and pointed disregard of that information by Cheney, Condoleezza Rice and George W. Bush.

Now, we're smart and tough. We do torture light and outsource the really evil stuff. Has it worked?

In October 2001, the FBI put out a Most Wanted Terrorists list. It had 22 names on it. As of 2006, 17 of them were still at large. Including Osama bin Laden. Mullah Omar wasn't on the list. But he's the other guy we invaded Afghanistan to get. He's still around and actively leading the Taliban.

Yeah, well, I bet going "to the dark side" stopped a bunch of terrorist attacks.

No.

None that we know of.

Yeah, of course not. When our secret intelligence services secretly foil a secret terrorist plot, it's gotta be secret! National effin' Security! Period. Dot. Exclamation point! End quote!

No.

The Bush administration trumpeted every arrest, capture or kill they ever made:

  • The Lackawanna Seven
  • The Sears Tower Plot
  • The Shoe Bomber
  • Jose Padilla, who was going to use a "dirty bomb."

Each and every one of them sounded like a job for Jack Bauer when they were first announced. Then, somehow, all the "terrorists" they caught turned out to be inept losers. The terror plots turned out to be bull sessions, attempts to buy weapons from FBI agents or visits to Afghanistan long before 9/11.

Bush was even willing to disrupt a two-year, 600-man, British terrorism investigation in order to get a good headline before the 2006 election. The result was that "the mastermind" escaped after he was arrested, and the prosecution of the plotters fell apart due to lack of evidence.

If there had been a real plot and these guys had actually stopped it, they would not have kept it secret, they would have made John McCain campaign commercials out of it.

Here's a real life ticking-bomb scenario: It's 1943. A German soldier has been captured.

We have a lot of people in captivity today, in Guantanamo, in Iraqi prisons, in secret CIA prisons around the world and prisons run by other countries. It has been amply demonstrated that many of the people in captivity are not "terrorists."

But back in World War II, when we captured that German, we could be dead sure certain that he was an actual enemy. He was part of an organization planning to kill Americans in the immediate future. Within hours or, at most, days. We could be certain that they had lots of weapons of mass destruction. And factories that were making more.

He represented a country that committed war crimes, crimes against humanity and that had mistreated POWs and civilians in violation of the Geneva Conventions.

So let's torture the mutha-fuggin' Nazi pig-plugger! That's a no-brainer, right?

Apparently not.

He refuses to give more than his name, rank and service number. We say OK and accept our obligation to feed and cloth him, give him medical attention, allow him to follow his religion, read books and even have access to a musical instrument if that is his inclination.


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Larry Beinhart is the author of Wag the Dog, The Librarian and Fog Facts: Searching for Truth in the Land of Spin. His latest book is Salvation Boulevard. Responses can be sent to beinhart@earthlink.net.

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Propaganda
Posted by: Zeugitai on Feb 5, 2009 1:21 AM   
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This and several other TV programs are propagandistic. It offends me on several levels. I will not watch any such program, and I make a point of not patronizing any of the advertisers that I notice supporting such crap. I hold the people involved responsible and will not patronize any of their work even when it is not supportive of American immorality like "24."

As a peon American, a powerless citizen-consumer, I can do little more than this: boycott the bullshit.

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» RE: Propaganda Posted by: Comrade Rutherford
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» RE: Propaganda Posted by: ptoddchesser
» RE: Propaganda Posted by: TerryS
FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME- JACK BAUER IS NOT A REAL PERSON!!!
Posted by: Woodpecker on Feb 5, 2009 2:58 AM   
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Yes, you heard me- Jack Bauer is no more a real person than the following: Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, Kojak, Dirty Harry and Rambo. Oh, and the "ticking time bomb scenario" so beloved of the weekend warriors and sofa samurais of the neo-con Right is BS-according to soldiers and intelligence officers who have served in NI during the Troubles!!!!

Terry

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That's the whole point
Posted by: Comrade Rutherford on Feb 5, 2009 4:37 AM   
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The sole reason '24' was ever produced was to help the GOP sell torture to the American people.

We hanged Germans and Japanese just 70 years ago for doing EXACTLY what the Republican Party is doing now. Waterboarding IS exactly the same today as when it was done by the Catholic Church during the Inquisition. There is NO argument, waterboarding is TORTURE and torture is ALWAYS wrong!

Anyone that says otherwise is also saying that America was on the wrong side during WWII. Anyone that defends torture is directly saying that we should have sided with Hitler! There is NO middle ground, there is NO other argument. Bush&Cheney = Hitler in the area of torture.

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» RE: That's the whole point Posted by: ptoddchesser
Awesome article, Larry.
Posted by: Scientz on Feb 5, 2009 6:10 AM   
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As someone who studies the Third Reich (and, incidentally, sees frightening similarities between the pre-war Wandervogel and Jugendbewegung movements and today's nihilistic North American youths) I really appreciated the placement of the 1943 German soldier as a point of comparison.

While I never condoned torture, I think this article has provided the needed critical language to confront those of my friends who think jihadists need be shown no mercy.

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I think the author reads a lot into television.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Feb 5, 2009 6:18 AM   
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Yes, I confess I watched Young Guns. And Young Guns II even. Sutherland's performance did not inspire me to go find some cattle rustlers to shoot.

I've caught sinppets of "24"--a gimmick that melds real(ity)-time TV with a "The Rock" like crisis. In the rock, time moved from action to drama sequence and the terrorists were angry U.S. soldiers; in "24" the plausibility of a single person consistently being in a position to save the day becomes more of a fantastical study in superheroes.

"24" Bauer is a substitute for the "Superman", and "Batman" television shows from yesteryear, but more close to that of "The Lone Ranger". Better special effects don't really alter the message, if you really buy into the idea that commercial-driven media is meant to have a message, rather than keep you hanging on until the next Tide or Beer commercial, sillies.

The notion that television conditions our behavior in maladaptive ways remains highly debatable. The author's suggestion that seeing Jack Bauer or The Green Lantern or Rainbow Brite light up someone's genitals would make us more or less willing to do or support the same is easily dismissed, in the absence of any evidence demonstrating such a phenomenon.

P.S.--My television is equipped with a feature I call the "Power Button". It's all the rage these days!

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» If that's all you're looking for... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» COPS v Reality Posted by: abbadon2007
Go ahead and connect the electrodes
Posted by: saadasim on Feb 5, 2009 6:47 AM   
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But if the defendent does not have the information or gives the wrong information on account of the torture, the torturer should have the same same thing happen to him. Now who is ready to torture?

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O, The Irony!
Posted by: Shehova on Feb 5, 2009 6:52 AM   
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Keifer Sutherland is a screaming liberal, or has at least publicly espoused those ideals. Jeanene Garofolo is an even bigger one. Wonder if they're up to something we would approve of, or just getting a big, fat paycheck.

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» RE: O, The Irony! Posted by: Midway54
» RE: O, The Irony! Posted by: TerryS
Violation
Posted by: QQOblivion on Feb 5, 2009 7:31 AM   
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Good article. Yes, 24 is just a show, and not a very realistic one at that. But the show has been used as inspiration by America's torturers, who even got ideas for forms of torture from watching.

Torture is second only to outright murder as the worst thing someone can do to someone else's physical and mental being. (You say rape is? Well, rape is torture. And some US-held "war on terror" detainees were violently sodomized by US personnel, or were the recipients of other forms of sexual abuse. I don't know if Jack Bowel actually sexually abused anyone on the show 24, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did.)

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» RE: Violation Posted by: goldmarx
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» RE: batman Posted by: abbadon2007
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» RE: Violation Posted by: TerryS
And it is going to continue now that Obama has signaled his plans to EXPAND Dubya's "faith based"
Posted by: CarlaWaters on Feb 5, 2009 8:28 AM   
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scams.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18433.html

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somebody
Posted by: neverquit on Feb 5, 2009 9:04 AM   
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Torture works. It functions to provide a fate worse than death in order to intimidate and control the selected enemy group. This is nothing new. It has been going on for millenia.

The legitimization of torture works. It is always to protect our families from others who understand no language but violence and who posess no goal except our total destruction. This too is nothing new.

If we believe that torture is both morally wrong and ineffective in its stated purpose, how can we stop it?

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» RE: somebody Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» somebody Posted by: neverquit
You ignored the obvious issue
Posted by: 876 on Feb 5, 2009 9:58 AM   
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Let’s not pretend race is not a factor in the differences between treatment of genocidal Nazis and disgruntled individuals in the “war on terror” or more appropriately “war of terror”. The sizeable majority of Americans, being hysterical racists, will always be for torturing non Europeans and against torturing Europeans, regardless of the crimes involved.

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Devils Advocate
Posted by: Axiom69 on Feb 5, 2009 10:47 AM   
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Here I was agreeing with alot of the comments when a thought came to mind. Go ahead and call me what you will, racist, troll, Bush lover. Rate me a one. Just answer me this... If someone planted a nuke in your city where YOUR family lived and it was set to detonate in 3 hours what would you do to get them to tell where it was? Are their Constitutional rights more sacred than 10 million lives? It's easy to point fingers from the gallery but it gets more complicated when it's our lives and those of our families that are on the line.
My Answer: To save 10 million lives including my own family and an American city... I'd hook up the jumper cables and crank up the juice. But that's just me. Now rate me a one but as you do just think of what you would REALLY do to save your family.
I do not condone torture but I thought using the scenario from 24 was a poor choice for the author because I think most people would do anything to save their own family especially if the "victim" was the person who was responsible for putting them in jeopardy in the first place.

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» RE: Devils Advocate Posted by: Feltixx
» The two of you... Posted by: dbarber
» RE: The two of you... Posted by: Axiom69
» RE: Keeping people safe is my job. Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: Keeping people safe is my job. Posted by: Cybershaman
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» RE: Devils Advocate Posted by: Axiom69
ATTN: torture-loving Repubs
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Feb 5, 2009 11:08 AM   
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If electrodes on the balls gets you going so much, why don't you try some e-stim in the privacy of your own bedrooms?

#@!

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» RE: ATTN: torture-loving ... Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
Wow...
Posted by: daniel1982 on Feb 5, 2009 12:24 PM   
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>On one hand, it is very likely that Barack Obama got elected because America had already had a serious black presidential candidate (one season) and two black presidents (one season each)

"Very likely"?. You guys are insane. You really do think that little of people. We're just a bunch of dumbasses, waiting around for somebody to tell us what to think. Of course, the alternet staff writers are exempted - they are the free-thinkers.

//

Btw, "24" is a pretty popular show in Canada - does that mean Canada will setup its own version of Gitmo?

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Tortured logic
Posted by: maxsmart on Feb 5, 2009 12:26 PM   
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The glorification of torture by the media is reprehensible regardless of freedom and should be recognized as such. It shouldn't be stopped, it should be countered all over the place as false, sensationalistic, and appealing to our worst instincts of hatred, anger, and sadistic pleasure in causing pain.

War itself is a similar false profit. It accepts collateral damage all the time as necessary and it accepts too often the ends justifies the means. Wars are always started with lies, half-truths and disinformation and the military uses psy ops and false claims and disinformation to assist in winning. They cannot be believed, they lie to deceive the enemy and at times, if necessary, to deceive, hide, and misrepresent to their own people.
The Japanese press glorified the soldiers in China who competed in head chopping contests and the people overlooked it and focused on pictures of soldiers handing out candy to children who later were killed. They saw themselves as saving Asia from colonialist powers and domination.

We are PARANOID plain and simple, and as such willing to give up our principles and love to watch shows where we are certain who is innocent and guilty. It is not certain someone subjected to torture is guilty or knows something so what about all those tortured who knew nothing and were guilty of nothing? One thing is sure they will never be the same again, they could inform others of your techniques, of your barbarity, and they could just plain be unstable to the point of being dangerous to themselves and others. Then what do you do? The choices and options just get worse and worse and the compromises you make also get worse and worse and by the end you are as barbaric or worse than those you felt justified in fighting.

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I watched one and a half episodes of 24
Posted by: willymack on Feb 5, 2009 12:45 PM   
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Halfway through the second show I saw it for what it was,a fantasy show for the white sheet crowd, palin fans, and other sadistic, homicidal numbskulls, which we seem to have in abundance here in 'murica.

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RE: Waterbord George W. Bush
Posted by: MausMasher54 on Feb 5, 2009 2:50 PM   
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Nah, But I would pay to see him in a "Hannibal Lector" cell setting.....

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» Forgot...... Posted by: MausMasher54
Bet you he confesses to Terrorism in one hour
Posted by: chief of okeefe on Feb 5, 2009 6:41 PM   
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The wonder of Torture is you can get people to confess things-- everyone tortured becomes automatically "guilty".

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RE: Waterbord George W. Bush
Posted by: Caleb Darkstar on Feb 6, 2009 11:38 AM   
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I think waterboarding would be the preferred option if one was being interrogated. No mess to speak of. A little water up the nose to freak them out. they spill the beans, or don't. Everyone leaves unscathed.
Beats the heck out of getting your nails pulled out with pliers, Or your head slowly cut off.

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Subversive
Posted by: Jnutter on Feb 5, 2009 3:00 PM   
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Has it occurred to any of you that maybe 24 has done us all a service by being the only program on TV with the balls to bring this subject up and thereby give us all a reason to talk about it?

I personally think that 24 is a highly subversive program that does not neatly package any ideology. Everyone talks about the torture angle (mission accomplished!) but there are many other angles to this show. For one, what other show asserted the possibility (and then spent two whole seasons exploring it) that 9/11 may have been caused by officials within the white house administration in order to drum up support for a war for oil? Yes a lot of conspiracy nuts have discussed this, but name a mainstream show that touched this issue? And one on FOX of all places!

As for torture... if Jack Bauer is the hero... he has been utterly destroyed by what he did. The information he has obtained through torture has not always been reliable... sometimes leading to tragedy. What is the lesson there?

I'm not defending the show, small minds will certainly watch it and see only that "torture is good" but what I am saying is that it is not that simple, and that is the message of 24 if you actually watch it.

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» RE: Subversive Posted by: Jnutter
» RE: Subversive Posted by: TerryS
Could be why I stopped watching after awhile...
Posted by: donl51 on Feb 5, 2009 3:09 PM   
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It's almost like I saw it,but then I was in such a position years ago in the Vietnam war where brainwashing was so damn blatant...I could forever remember how its done....and our country used to blame the Soviets for their propaganda...while this country was pretty much master of it!!....what was MK-ULTRA?...a joke?...something make believe for the movies?now we do it far better....subtle!...our news media for one!....tv.movies!...count the cop shows on the tube of our little police state!!

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Confession
Posted by: Xynyx on Feb 5, 2009 3:11 PM   
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OK. I'm going to admit that I have enjoyed "24" for some time. I'll also admit that I haven't seen anything past Season 3 yet. I know it's completely bogus and fictional and it's Fox Fear Propaganda... but I KNOW these things, before, during, and after watching it.

The show is riveting. And it tries to justify all sorts of entirely inappropriate behavior. I don't buy that crap. The show is also misogynistic. I don't like that part, either.

I don't and won't support torture. I do support prosecution of war criminals and anyone suspected of crimes against humanity... like the GW Bush Administration. Let's get on with that.

While I'm at it... I also like to play violent video games. I like going home and shooting zombies/aliens/"bad guys" in the head to relax... ON MY TV. I know the difference. I don't support such behavior in real life.

If you lack a good filter to keep your imagination separate from reality, you shouldn't watch or participate in such things. And there is where (I think) the crux of the problem lies.

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» RE: Confession Posted by: TerryS
» RE: Confession Posted by: Feltixx
» RE: Confession Posted by: TerryS
Oh, they were more than stupid ...
Posted by: monkeywrench on Feb 5, 2009 4:32 PM   
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"We had quite enough information to have prevented 9/11. It had been gathered through normal and legal police and intelligence methods. It was not used due to bureaucratic infighting, ineptitude, incompetence, excess secrecy, and, most of all, the willful and pointed disregard of that information by Cheney, Condoleezza Rice and George W. Bush."

There was one word you left out of the list of reasons 9/11 wasn't prevented; a word that is heavily loaded in its implication, but points to the need for a complete and UNBIASED investigation of the worst man-made tragedy in american history.

That word is : complicity

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Arrest the Bush lawyers today!!
Posted by: chief of okeefe on Feb 5, 2009 6:37 PM   
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That will put the REAL fear into those republifascists.

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I hear there is going to be a new G.I.JOE movie....
Posted by: Dyolfknip on Feb 5, 2009 10:14 PM   
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I wonder if that will be a disgusting display of hyper masculine shameless propagandistic garbage? Of course not! It's just a movie like this is just a T.V. show...

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The Real Reason for Torture
Posted by: TerryS on Feb 6, 2009 1:03 AM   
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The Real Reason for Torture

Kudos, kudos, and more kudos to Alternet for
covering torture, and the pernicious effects
of "24".

One thing I would like to see more coverage of
is the Real Reason for Torture.

Namely, torture is an essential tool of dictatorships
and totalitarian governments everywhere.

Nothing is more effective at terrorizing a
populace into submission than torture. That is
why Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet, etc... all used
torture as an essential tool to crush opposition.

And *that* is why Bush and Company were sooo
anxious to legalize (for themselves) torture,
and to institutionalize torture. Karl Rove
argued for a "permanent Republican majority",
they knew that torture would be an essential
component.

I don't know that "24" was explicitly
created as a propaganda tool for the Republicans.
Instead, I believe that authoritarian personalities
like torture, and instinctively understand it's
value in getting and keeping dictatorial power.

Dictatorships need torture, Free societies are
destroyed by torture.

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Nuremberg, Responsibility, The Rule of Law
Posted by: beinhart on Feb 6, 2009 8:15 AM   
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I am, of course, delighted to see so many responses. I am curious that it is all about 24 and almost nothing about Judgment at Nuremberg. There were multiple war crimes trials there. The first one judged the big guys, but then they went on to try mid-level implementers of the war crimes. They did so on three principles: treaty obligations (which are laws) like the Geneva Conventions, the concept of individual responsibility (be ordered to commit a murder was not a defense provided resistance was reasonably possible) and the concept of crimes against humanity (even it the regime made it legal to commit murders, it still wasn't.)
The application of these concepts to members of the Bush Administration would make them certainly subject to trial and probably to conviction.
That includes the lawyers who came up with the concepts that justified evasion of civilized restraints.
The explanation of why "good Germans" co-operated, even endorsed the Nazis, sounds almost exactly like the response of Americans to the Bush excesses.
They co-operated because they had 24 types of fantasies and framed reality in such false theories. We sentenced several of them to be hanged because of it.
The point is to return to the high moral ground that we claimed we were taking when we brought other people to trial.

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I thought...
Posted by: Pirate1 on Feb 7, 2009 12:30 PM   
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The program sucked in the few episodes I saw on a DVD I rented of season one. I couldn't believe it was so popular. I don't enjoy "cop shows" anyway and this is just a glorified cop show.

Police today are in a social class by themselves, they can in most cases harrass, abuse and even kill with impunity. Like Catholic priests that move to another parish, they just move to another city and continue on a different force. As a carreer field I think for the most part it attracts former high school bullies and gives them an outlet to continue that behavior only with legal, lethal weaponry. Cop shows just keep the notion alive that police of all stripes need to be brutal and to "protect" us from ourselves. That's why they get off when eight or more cops fire multiple times at a man reaching for his wallet, or like in Oakland a few weeks back, a man lying prostrate on the ground, doing everything the cops asked of him. We have allowed this elite class to grow in our midst by buying into all the fear messages we get every second on TV news.

You'll notice that in all these shows the "criminals" are either dark skinned and speak with accents or they look like elder hippies, people "proper" americans are supposed to shun, I gather. I've noticed over the years that due to my tendency to wear my hair on the longish side, that people in mall culture give me wide berth when we pass and I believe that is directly attributable to television's unwaivering depiction of long haired men as either drug dealers or criminals.

So yes, television DOES affect the way people behave in the world. Not everyone has the discernment to know that Bauer is "just a character like Batman" any more than to realize every man with longish hair is NOT a danger because that is how they are always depicted... in fact, I would argue that today MOST people don't. Hell, we just spent 8 years "respecting" a fool because every time he came on TV there was the the flag and Presidential Seal. One day a lot of people will collectively wake up to just how much that respect was manipulated out of them.

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the Large Kahoona
Posted by: jfingers1 on Feb 9, 2009 8:54 PM   
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Anyone who has done some honest soul searching and research knows damn well that 911 was a Neoconjob production called shock and awe.
First you traumatize the subject then plant ideas that turn out to be absurd on further examination.
Passports are made of paper, they don't survive fireballs. Israelis being arrested that day and their van(s) testing positive for explosives is criminally suspicious.ICTS a security company of Israeli origin servicing all airline and ports involved in the hijackings as well as the 7/7 bombings needs a look see.
A guy who buys a white elephant complex for 124 mil and then collects 4.6bil. 3 months later makes me curious. The odds of 3 steel framed fire coded skyscrapers collapsing in under 10 seconds each by oxygen starved fires is a stretch and a statistical impossibility.
If the government lies about everything, and they do, do you really think they are telling you the truth of 911, you would have to be completely devoid of common sense.

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