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Hey Natalie Dylan, Here's Some Advice for Selling Your Virginity

By Liz Langley, AlterNet. Posted January 30, 2009.


First off, let's make sure some religious group doesn't buy it and decide to keep it intact forever.

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"Virtue has never been as respectable as money." -- Mark Twain

"I always thought of losing my virginity as a career move." -- Madonna

Obama, Blagojevich, the economy, Gitmo, torture, Mickey Rourke ... it's been a juicy news month. So, who do you have to screw to get a little attention around here?

The answer: The highest acceptable bidder.

We are now officially in the 15 minutes of Natalie Dylan, the pseudonym of the enterprising 22-year-old who is auctioning off her virginity through the Moonlite Bunny Ranch in Nevada as part of a thesis project for a master's degree in marriage and family therapy (she recently completed her BA in women's studies from California State University, Sacramento). The bidding began in September and, as of this writing, is up to $3.7 million.

Natalie's maiden muff is hers to do with as she wishes -- sexual desires, values and limits vary wildly, and as long as no one gets hurt, t'ain't nobody's business what you do. We just wonder -- what if some religious group buys it and decides to keep it intact forever?

Any pro-virginity faction could pool some loot and once the "Sold!" sign is planted (but not too deep) -- WHAM! -- on goes the chastity belt. Then she'll be screwed -- or not -- for life. Imagine getting punk'd by Ned Flanders.

Presumably Natalie has some kind of filters in place to avoid any such weirdness and has said, in a story written for the Daily Beast, that the highest bidder won't necessarily be the lucky recipient. She'll make the choice. "It's not like an eBay auction ..." she says in the Edinburgh Journal. "I don't have to take the highest bidder. I'm taking time to get to know the guys. We contact each other back and forth."

It sounds a bit like online dating, which means she should feel the novelty wear off and close her account right about nnnnnnow.

It's interesting that virginity should command so much when it's common knowledge that the first time isn't usually a charm. "I didn't lose my virginity until I was 18," Adam Ant once told an interviewer. "The first time was a nightmare. Who shows you how to use a condom?" This is a pretty universal first-time experience, but with maturity, education and good partners (or by being huge rock stars), most of us get better at it.

Good for Adam, though, for being forthright about safety. First-timers aren't always, and may be less so if they don't allow themselves the latitude that it might happen. Virginity pledges -- vows by young people to stay cherry until marriage -- first popped up in our culture in the early '90s, and a recent report from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health shows that teens who took pledges were just as likely to have sex as their counterparts who didn't and more likely to engage in risky behavior. Pledge or not, half the youths surveyed were sexually active before marriage, writes Rob Stein in the Washington Post, "but that the percentage who took precautions against pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases was 10 points lower for pledgers than for non-pledgers."

It's hard to imagine Natalie not being safe, but if she needs any tips on her enterprise, she can get them from those who have auctioned off their virginity before her. Radar Online lists five virginity auctions that have taken place since January 2004.

Britney Spears was not among them, but a high price was once offered for her much-touted virtue. Laura Carpenter writes in her book, Virginity Lost, that "when the singer was just 18, a wealthy American businessman offered to give her over $7 million if she would lose her virginity with him. Britney was outraged, telling journalists, "It's a disgusting offer. He should go have a cold shower and leave me alone ..." (US Weekly reported in 2007 that Spears "lost her virginity at 14 to boyfriend Reg Jones" and that Eric Ervin, a lawyer who worked with Spears, said the purity pitch was a PR blitz.) Seven million dollars -- you could probably buy a Senate seat for that. It's nearly twice what Natalie's is commanding, but then, she doesn't have the kink factor of having once been a Mouseketeer).


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Liz Langley is a freelance writer in Orlando, Fla.

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Personally, I wouldn't give Natalie Dylan 38 cents for her virginity.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jan 30, 2009 1:38 AM   
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No one in their right mind prefers virginity over experience.

That said, if you honesty believe that Natalie Dylan is a "virgin", you're too naïve to be let out alone at night.

:P

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» depends on the lover Posted by: aki_no_kaze
» That's true. Posted by: GuitarBill
Virgin on the ridiculous
Posted by: drmanhatten on Jan 30, 2009 4:42 AM   
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I'm sure there's nobody reading this who hasn't had exactly the same thought as me, that Natalie Dylan is a prostitute. Bottom line, you sell sex, that's the name for it. Last I checked that was frowned on in the US (although so is sex in general, so perhaps it doesn't matter).

Tell me, how is it that this is legal and regular prostitution isn't? Is it because there's so much money involved? Is it because she's a virgin and therefore the experience is destined to be a serious disappointment for whoever wins the auction, ensuring no puritan morals are breached? Will she be marrying the lucky winner? How much sex will he get for his millions? How does she know she isn't a lesbian, perhaps she doesn't need to lose her virginity to man at all?

Personally I think anyone who pays her deserves to be thrown from a fast-moving vehicle, if only because a shag shouldn't cost that much - I believe the going rate in Amsterdam is €50 for 20 mins, more than enough time for anyone who needs to bid on the internet for some virgin lovin' - unless you're really getting creative, which a virgin is unlikely to do.

She certainly won't be $3.8 million worth of creative and she'll be lucky if she doesn't turn up with her head in one bag and her torso in another after the severe disappointment she delivers to the lucky winner.

"What's a blowjob?"

"I want my money back!!"

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» She's done oral sex before, tnx. Posted by: ArmageddonKitten
» Uptight much? Posted by: EinMD
» I think she would know by now... Posted by: aki_no_kaze
» RE: Yes, it's prostitution. Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Virgin on the ridiculous Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Virgin on the ridiculous Posted by: GuitarBill
» It's Legal in Nevada Posted by: susnow
Stupidity that should not be entertained.
Posted by: larazzafilms on Jan 30, 2009 5:00 AM   
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Propaganda = Stupidity! It is actually stimulating further menacing minds. It is funny how much more attention stupidity receives then the content that really matters. A block buster of entertainment hosting a huge sign for a very small section of indie films that help change the world. What is wrong with this Picture?

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Quick Clarification
Posted by: constitution, what constitution on Jan 30, 2009 5:41 AM   
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As per Natalie's post, her virginity will not be offered to the highest bidder. She is entertaining bids, but reserves the right to actually choose the final winner. Smart move imo.

Don't knock the hustle.

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Women's bodies a commodity?
Posted by: Lilykins on Jan 30, 2009 6:05 AM   
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The feminists have been saying for decades that women's bodies have been objectified. If women's bodies are seen as sex objects then "sex" (yes even virgin sex)is something that women pocess and men can beg, borrow, buy, or steal. I wouldn't blame any woman for feeling as if her body is hers to sell, virgin or not.

This is nothing shocking or new. We know from the Bible that women's and girl's virginity was was commonly bought an sold throughout history. Even the the good Lord himself rewarded his failthful male followers by giving them virgin girls.

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NIce
Posted by: beandang on Jan 30, 2009 6:17 AM   
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What does she look like? Is she hot or what?

RT
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» RE: NIce Posted by: Gisele
» Don't click on that link! Posted by: GuitarBill
Not to sound cheap but....
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Jan 30, 2009 6:23 AM   
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I'll settle for a lot less than 3.8 million.

I can not tout virginity as one of my attributes but how about experience, confidence and talent?

Yeeeeha! Ride 'em cowboy.

Bidding is OPEN!

Granny's crazy videos = Go get a chuckle!

Luv,
granny

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» Gee, no one is bidding Posted by: Grandma Crabby
» You're a wild one. Posted by: LMNOP
» RE: You're a wild one. Posted by: Grandma Crabby
USA
Posted by: toad26 on Jan 30, 2009 6:30 AM   
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Hey there Natalie. I don't want to offend you but isn't selling "sex" and "virginity" what the prostitutes on the corner do?

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» RE: USA Posted by: mjglow
» RE: Hence the "Ranch" Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Hence the "Ranch" Posted by: Gisele
» RE: NO Disagreement Posted by: oregoncharles
Consensual NONCONSENSUALITY was always the thrill in this story
Posted by: AdamSelene40 on Jan 30, 2009 7:04 AM   
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Not very PC, but there you have it ... Yes, yes, the selling of peasant girl-children into Bangkok brothels is just nasty to think about ... but the classical Geisha virginity auction resonates with powerful themes of accepting one's fate in the world, commitment to craft and calling, and lots of other good stuff -- fevered competition among high status men included. Great porn.

The turn on for the onlookers, what makes the contest interesting is the potential horror of the fat, ugly, rich peasant outbidding the handsome samauri with the big package and gentle eyes. The point is, the woman has committed herself to abandoning personal choice and is therefore paradoxically empowered by the decision.

If there is no chance of an unhappy ending, there is no point to the whole exercise.

THIS is just "The Bachelor" without the production values. Sort of like playing marbles but "no-keepsies."

Contemptible !

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'Tis a large price for such a small vice.
Posted by: dancingcloud on Jan 30, 2009 7:14 AM   
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not an original thought, but to use it in academia? oy

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Natalie Dylan should shut up and learn to be a proud and happy single like the rest of us.
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Jan 30, 2009 7:17 AM   
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She has no business being another greedy bitch at the expense of someone else. Natalie should shut up and move to a big city and get a job just like I did when I moved from rural MO to St Louis !

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Good luck, hon...
Posted by: graemebacque on Jan 30, 2009 7:25 AM   
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Just be advised that the high bidder may not necessarily be someone you would ordinarily want to invite into your bed.

If you're researching this kind of subject you would probably be safer doing interviews.

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» Look, it's maribelle the insane Posted by: GuitarBill
And here's a perfect song for Natalie Dylan for giving women a bad rap.
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Jan 30, 2009 7:25 AM   
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"Stupid Girl" by Garbage !

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a fool and his money
Posted by: littlepitcher on Jan 30, 2009 8:20 AM   
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A willing buyer, and a willing seller. No difference between the sale of virginity for $3 mil and the sale of a piece of toast with the alleged image of the Virgin Mary for $22 thou or thereabouts.

Some people are just begging to have their pockets cleaned out. Let the girl have her fun and her grad school tuition. The small-minded small-dicked boys with the small bank accounts will whine and snivel, but that's usual for the spoiled and childish.

And Granny--you go! Wishing you both prosperity and abundance.

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Profound yawn
Posted by: Bizatch! on Jan 30, 2009 8:57 AM   
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Another commodification (why does spell check always go after this word?) of intimacy and femininity in our culture. Yes, traditional peoples have bestowed a symbolic value on virginity, but the Natalie Dylan project is lacking in any purpose other than enrichment.

It doesn't surprise or trouble me to know about this because I can go to other places in the world and (notwithstanding untouched virtue, which doesn't appeal to me) I can find many beautiful young women who, if one patiently shows them attention and naturally evolving affection, are responsive to the desires of a decent man. Only in the tense hot house of American gender wars do you find such idiotic propositions as this.

Good luck on your term paper, kiddo!

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» RE: Profound yawn Posted by: Lilykins
» Please read carefully Posted by: Bizatch!
» RE: Please read carefully Posted by: Lilykins
Marginalized? Why not rehymenize?
Posted by: grindermonkey on Jan 30, 2009 9:04 AM   
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This medical procedure has been discussed on Alternet. Its economic ramifications should be clear.

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Clueless in Los Altos
Posted by: jimswanson on Jan 30, 2009 9:16 AM   
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I fondly and vividly remember the first time I had sex, even though it was decades ago.

My only regret is that I didn't have anyone with me to share the thrill.

—Clueless in Los Altos

aka, Jim Swanson, Los Altos, CA
“The Bush League of Nations”
www.bushleagueofnations.com [for FREE download of entire book]

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just when you thought crassness had been defined
Posted by: luzmejor on Jan 30, 2009 9:17 AM   
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Here comes someone with yet another idea about how to make humans seem morally lower than animals.

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i wonder...
Posted by: jenna on Jan 30, 2009 9:29 AM   
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i wondered when i read the first piece on this if she wasn't planning on actually going through with it, but that maybe she would pull out at the last minute (pardon the pun). it struck me what she was really after was info on the reactions to her proposal. there's research, and then there's field research, ya know?
i also wondered if it was for real, would she consider a bid by a woman? or, does that not count as "really" giving up your virginity, since there's no penis in the room?

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Irritating:
Posted by: oregoncharles on Jan 30, 2009 10:44 AM   
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Not only does "Natalie" get it wrong, so does this author: "a dowry, in which a father would sell his virginal daughter to the man whose family could offer the most agricultural wealth. Dads were basically their daughters' pimps."

Exactly backwards! A dowry is the father's payment TO a future husband to take her away.

The quote describes a bride price, paid by the husband's family to the bride's; it occurred not in "early Europe," but in pastoral societies in places like Africa.

However, our intuitive reaction may also be exactly backwards. Consider: which would you rather be, an asset or a liability? (In reality, the bride price usually begins a process of exchange, and a dowry often remains the wife's property.) A bride price acknowledges a woman's real value to her family; a dowry makes her a liability.

And in fact, in India, a dowry culture, there is a very high rate of female infanticide, to say nothing of continuing abuse and neglect.

And to repeat other comments, in this era, why would anyone PAY to sleep with a woman with no idea what she's doing?

And even more to the point, why is "Natalie" still a virgin at 22? That may be young in the larger scheme of things, but pretty old for starting sex, especially in such a cold-blooded manner. I get her point, I just think it's weird.

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» RE: Irritating: Posted by: melusine
In a fraction of a second
Posted by: blogfrog on Jan 30, 2009 10:55 AM   
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Ms Dylan purports to be doing this for the sake of research but when all is said and done..in that fraction of a second when she is penetrated...check that...transacted...she goes from virgin to whore.

I hope that her life will move forward and she can emotionally navigate with the omnipresent self-inflicted realization that she commoditized herself chasing the almighty dollar.

Research...please...

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Don't do it, Natalie!
Posted by: Crazy H on Jan 30, 2009 11:42 AM   
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I'm all in favor of legalized prostitution - no problem. I see no reason to denigrate those women (and men) who ply the trade. Of course, it's your body and you have every right to do what you wish with it.

However, your first time should be something special with someone special. Get a little experience "under your belt" (tee hee) and then decide whether you want to earn your money on your back.

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Selling one's body
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Jan 30, 2009 12:16 PM   
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I believe prostitution should be legal. I see no difference whatsoever in a woman's selling her body for sex and a man selling his body as a boxer. Well... yeah... I do see a difference. I think boxing inherently represents the worst in human nature, psychologically, aesthetically, morally, socially, and ethically, while I have no inherent objection to prostitution. Prostitution often puts the woman involved in danger, but if it were legal and regulated, this would be diminished greatly.

Having said all that, I wonder if selling one's virginity is legal, and if it's not, is Natalie going to be arrested and convicted of a crime should she find a buyer and go through with it?

Isn't it odd that a woman can have paid sex in front of a camera, and it's legal but doing it privately is not. Is this because it also involves paying men for having sex, directing the movies, and distributing them? Hard to say, but there's a huge amount of hypocrisy at the very least here.

People sell all kinds of personal things, including their bodies. Athletes certainly sell the use of their bodies - and endanger them in extreme ways, so it's not that women are in danger that makes it illegal. Models, actors, and construction workers all sell the use of their bodies. The only body-selling that's reviled and punished is private sex between two consenting adults.

Americans, especially religious Americans, have a lot of hang-ups about sex. Ambivilant might be a good word to describe the attitude. Is it dirty or is it sacred?

Pretty weird.

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I don't know that I would bid for sex with her
Posted by: popsicle67 on Jan 30, 2009 1:56 PM   
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But if she ever opens bidding for a cuddle on the couch and a long talk I'm there because she's got a damn interesting life and I for one would like to hear about it.

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Travelergtoo
Posted by: travelertoo on Jan 30, 2009 4:36 PM   
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What does a 50 year old virgin get? Fruit flys.

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Having read Natalie's apologia and Liz's rebuttal
Posted by: ladyoracle on Jan 30, 2009 4:57 PM   
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I am concerned about the fact that Langley claims Nat is getting to know the potential deflowerers. Nat herself said they were going to be checked out, but I got the idea that was to avoid sex offenders or people who couldn't really pay. But if she's getting to know them, well that's a different matter entirely. I posted to Natalie's article and said kudos! but had reservations about how this might effect her love life hereafter. Is sex with her worth nothing when it's the second time? But if she's getting to know the guys, well you know how that is. She might fall in love, but there would be money involved. Personally, I wouldn't want to get to know a man who would pay a penny for sex with a virgin. I think this enterprise would damage her the least if she had others doing the screening for her, and she didn't have a personal relationship with her buyer. Sex for money when there are feelings (even of friendship) just seems damaging for both parties and begs the consensual intercourse question. Of course prostitutes who choose their trade consent to sex with the johns who consent to pay for it. But "consent" between people who like each other is culturally not supposed to have a price tag.

There are a lot of cultural myths to unpack about consensual intercourse when marriage is just some abstract idea out there that has nothing to do with whether two people hook up. In one way, women are "paid" one could argue through the heteronormative dating model of men wining and dining us. That's why I like to pay for some meals and drinks and tickets, too. To make sure a guy never thinks he's owed anything. But in cases like mine, the only reason I'd sleep with a guy is desire. Does that just mean I was going at a cheap rate? Well, I guess I think if Natalie wants to pay off her student loans, this is certainly going to require less work than years of stripping which is how plenty of other women do it. But if she was trying to make a feminist statement that might push the movement further toward equality, she should have tried something new like myself, having no price except desire--a scent, a charming story, abstractions that come closer to the heart.

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Not an original idea
Posted by: holypigeon on Jan 30, 2009 5:21 PM   
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It's sad that Natalie is embarking on the world's oldest profession as if it were a novel idea that she's just invented. I'm offended, not by her willingness to sell herself for sex, but by the claim that this is for the sake of scholarship. An interesting thesis is one in which the scholar explores an original idea, and there is definitely nothing new or all that interesting about what she's doing. It seems that when mediocre scholars need recognition, they resort to sensationalism.

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losing it?
Posted by: chloelin on Jan 30, 2009 7:32 PM   
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Why all this talking about losing one's virginity, as if it was an earring fallen into the sea? I never lost mine - I simply discarded it.

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a modern approach?
Posted by: johnorford on Jan 30, 2009 7:43 PM   
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Why don't women have a minor operation with a local anaesthetic to remove their hymen? Instead they have it forced away, usually painfully, by a blunt instrument. It's no fun for us lads that don't like hurting women either.

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Whos getting screwed on this deal
Posted by: lil ole me on Jan 30, 2009 7:49 PM   
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Certainly not Dylan, shes making a killing from something she probably would have given up after a few drinks and dinner. Hell i say more power to her. If shes a virgin as she claims Any dumbass willing to pay that kind of money to boost his ego deserves what he gets.

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No STD clause?
Posted by: cyr3n on Jan 30, 2009 10:51 PM   
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What if someone wins the bid, and gives her HIV? What good is $4mil going to do you when you're sentenced to death.

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» RE: No STD clause? Posted by: susnow
Terrytom, The price
Posted by: terryton on Feb 1, 2009 4:27 AM   
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A young man and woman are out on a date, he says, “would you have sex with me for a million dollars? “ She replies eagerly, “yes.” He says, “would you have sex with me for two dollars?” She most indignantly says. “Hell no what do you think I am a whore?” He says, “that has already been established now were just negotiating the price.”
Nuff said.
Terrytom

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What about the boys ?
Posted by: JimmyBoi2 on Feb 1, 2009 10:52 AM   
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Doesn't anyone worry about OUR virginity?

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» RE: What about the boys ? Posted by: lil ole me
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