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Whistleblower Levels Shocking Allegations at Bush's Spying Programs

By Liliana Segura, AlterNet. Posted January 24, 2009.


It seems Bush's lust for spying went so far as to target reporters, and even the senator tasked with overseeing U.S. intelligence.

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On Jan. 21, former U.S. intelligence official Russell Tice appeared on MSNBC's "Countdown with Keith Olbermannn" and broke a sobering bit of news that, sandwiched between Obama's inauguration and sweeping executive orders, went largely ignored by the media: Under the Bush administration's notorious warrantless spying program, not only did the NSA eavesdrop on millions of Americans, it turns out it specifically targeted "U.S. news organizations, reporters and journalists."

As Olbermannn put it, "non-terrorist Americans, if you will."

"It has taken less than 24 hours after the Bush presidency ended for a former analyst with the National Security Agency to come forward to reveal new allegations about how this nation was spied on by its by its own government," Olbermannn said on Wednesday night.

"Russell Tice has already stood up for truth before this evening as one source for the revelation in 2005 by the New York Times that President Bush was eavesdropping on American citizens without warrants … tonight, the next chapter for Mr. Tice -- a chapter he feared to reveal while George Bush occupied the Oval Office."

The contents of the exclusive interview, if not surprising, were chilling nonetheless. Tice, who was fired from the NSA in May 2005, discussed how part of his job had been to monitor information flow among organizations that were expressly not of interest, for the ostensible purpose of flagging and filtering them out.

"… In the world that I was in," he said, "(so) as to not harpoon the wrong people … we looked at organizations, supposedly, so that we would not target them. So that we knew where they were so as not to have a problem with them." But, "what I was finding out, though, is that collection on those organizations was 24/7, you know, 365 days a year -- and it made no sense."

Turns out it was a bait and switch, in Olbermann's words, in which the "discard" pile was actually the "save" pile.

Word of the interview made its way around the blogosphere. Emptywheel's Marcy Wheeler immediately spelled out some of the implications. "First, Tice's description of the program confirms everything we have surmised about the program," she wrote.

The program:

  • Established the means to collect all American communications.
  • Analyzed meta-data to select a smaller subset of communications to tap further.
  • Conducted human analysis of those messages.

That is, the Bush administration used meta-data (things, like length of phone call, that have nothing to do with terrorism) to pick which communications to actually open and read, and then they opened and read them.

And of course, everyone's communications -- everyone's -- were included in the totality of communications that might be tapped.

Despite the fact that the NSA scandal has been one of the biggest stories of the past few years, the story made no headlines the next day, including no mention in the New York Times, which broke the spying story to begin with (albeit one year after it first caught wind of it). In a week that saw orders from the new Obama White House to close Guantanamo and end the policy of torture, perhaps it is not surprising that this interview did not make headlines -- and indeed, as Wheeler pointed out, the news here is merely a confirmation of what others have long assumed.

But the implications bear repeating: Tice said, despite the Bush administration's claims to the contrary, "the National Security Agency had access to all Americans' communications, faxes, phone calls and their computer communications … and it didn't mater whether you were in Kansas in the middle of the country and you never made any … foreign communications at all. They monitored all communications."

Granted, not all the information was processed by human hands. Sheer volume would make that impossible. ("Americans tend to be a chatty group," said Tice.) And while Tice said he was not sure what had become of the information that was gathered, he did say that it was probably stored in a database, one that still exists today.


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What's so shocking about this?
Posted by: DrBrian on Jan 24, 2009 1:47 AM   
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The headline describes this as shocking, but I've long known this was going on. So has Congress, which whitewashed it and granted immunity. Bush and his retainers have committed literally millions of felonies--each instance is a felony. The Republican party is sitting desperately on the lid of the cesspit, but if the Democrats have the courage to open it the Republican party will be as dead as the Confederacy that spawned it in its modern incarnation.

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» RE: What's so shocking about this? Posted by: drmanhatten
» RE: What's so shocking about this? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: DrBrian Posted by: Quannah
Gee, Julia, Mr.Charrington seemed like such a nice man....
Posted by: chance garden on Jan 24, 2009 2:16 AM   
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How could I have known he worked for the THOUGHT POLICE? Now where did I leave that diary?

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» RE: you are 4 % away . Good luck. Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: you are 4 % away . Good luck. Posted by: chance garden
» RE: you are 4 % away . Good luck. Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: you are 4 % away . Good luck. Posted by: chance garden
Doo You REALLY have ANY doubts about this??
Posted by: madmax427 on Jan 24, 2009 2:32 AM   
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Whether or not ANY one believes Me or not, I am POSITIVE the Spying on Americans not only Happened, but is STILL in full swing!

I started a website (www.whatsyourlifeworth2.info) to try to help My Father after He was turned into an Incomplete Quadrapelegic during an accident at a Substandard Union Pacific Railroad Crossing. He died just over 18 months after the 'accident', in May of 2006. I have been fighting for Justice with my Website for over Four years now OR should I say TRYING because I have also been a target of "My" Governments "spying" on Me. Spying is NOT the correct term, because Their actions have gone WAY beyond Spying!

The V.A, after waiting for over 2.5 years, STILL refuses to send Me the remainder of My Fathers' Medical Records, The Postal Inspector has refused to contact Me for over 2.5 Years after I submitted a complaint, I am using the Second Computer right now because I couldn't straighten out the first one & the story could go on for HOURS!

I KNOW some reading this will laugh at this posting and for those that DO laugh, Do Yourself a small favor: Consider this: I think I am just "one of the Crowd" of small People, so why all this effort to silience Me? So ask Yourself, If they'll do this to Me and We've in the same boat, so to speak, What or how could YOU be addressed or "handled" or affected? Ain't so funny anymore, is it?!

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I can answer one question, is it still going on? Yes.
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Jan 24, 2009 3:01 AM   
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You see I can tell when I am posting if my line is tapped or not. Yes it is still going on as of yesterday afternoon and this morning.

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THREAT LEVEL: SEVERE, RED
Posted by: Anthhh on Jan 24, 2009 3:08 AM   
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_

Civilian's Homeland Security Advisory System
________________________

January 23, 2009 - The United States citizen's national threat level is: SEVERE, or RED.
(SEVERE RISK OF ANOTHER GOVERNMENT ATTACK ON IT'S OWN CIVILANS)

For all domestic and international flights, the U.S. threat level is: ALSO SEVERE, or RED.
( See the Transportation Security Administration for up-to-date information on HOW safe your airlines are from government use as bombs )

We continue to monitor ongoing intelligence, and equations of probability, there is credible information warning of an imminent, but un-specific threat to the homeland of civilians again BY THE RULING FACTIONS OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IN ORDER TO BOOST PROPAGANDA FOR THE IMPERIALIST DESIGNS.

As always, we remind the public to be both thoughtful and vigilant about their surroundings And the Threat Level.

And to continually remind and notify fellow civilians of any and all suspicious activity by the so-called authorities.

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Treatment of its own citizens
Posted by: phindrup on Jan 24, 2009 3:22 AM   
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US citizens ought to take the time to read up on the actual history of how ‘your’ government has treated its citizens over the years.
It is common knowledge that the US has the highest percentage of prisoners per head of population in the world. Generally understood that as little as 50 years ago killing members of the African American citizens was widely accepted, if not universally approved of, and that 60 to 70 years ago some states were habitually sterilising ‘troubled children’.

Some 15 or 20 years ago some of these people took court action against the state(s) concerned and it was ruled that the then kids had given ‘informed consent’.

Today, wonder of wonders, it is confirmed that the US government spies upon its own citizens! Would it lock them up without trial, torture them, dispose of them?

Look long and hard at those who made up the last administration, look at their attitudes to people, attitude to the law, the constitution and then ask yourself if there is anything that you think these people wouldn’t do, if it was to their advantage.

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Bush Regime
Posted by: beandang on Jan 24, 2009 6:03 AM   
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All I can say is GOOD RIDDANCE to Dictator Bush and his Regime. May the shoe throwers of the world converge on his multi million dollar Texas mansion!

RT
Online Privacy when it Counts

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» RE: Bush Regime Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Bush Regime Posted by: madmax427
Jail
Posted by: gandolfshep on Jan 24, 2009 6:37 AM   
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I still say all involved should be in jail and all their assets confiscated and returned to the treasury.

They have forfeited their freedom and the easy life by their greedy and power hungry actions.

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» RE: Jail for traitors Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Jail for traitors Posted by: gandolfshep
» RE: Jail for traitors Posted by: recklessron
» RE: Jail is too good for them... Posted by: watching-n-waiting
Bush deliberately broke the law
Posted by: TexasCowboy on Jan 24, 2009 7:37 AM   
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President Bush swept aside the entire body of democratically debated and painstakingly crafted restrictions on domestic surveillance by the executive branch with his extraordinary assertion that he can simply ignore this law because he is the Commander-in-Chief. He clearly broke US Law and violated the US Constitution.

The National Security Act of 1947 contained a specific ban on intelligence operatives from operating domestically. The United States Constitution’s 4th Amendment is clear that electronic surveillance by the Government is strictly limited by the Constitution and Federal Law. The law on surveillance begins with the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, which states clearly that Americans' privacy may not be invaded without a warrant based on probable cause:
Fourth Amendment - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Also, the US Supreme Court (US v. Katz 389 US 347) made it clear that this core privacy protection does cover government eavesdropping. As a result, all electronic surveillance by the government in the United States is illegal, unless it falls under one of a small number of precise exceptions specifically carved out in the law.

United States Code Title 50, Chapter 36, Subchapter 1, Section 1809. Criminal sanctions:
(a) Prohibited activities - A person is guilty of an offense if he intentionally-
(1) Engages in electronic surveillance under color of law except as authorized by statute

There are only three laws that permit the government to spy
There are only three laws that authorize any exceptions to the ban on electronic eavesdropping by the government. Congress has explicitly stated that these three laws are the exclusive means by which domestic electronic surveillance can be carried out (18 USC, Section 2511(2)(f)). They are:
Title III and the Electronic Communications Privacy Act make up the statutes that govern criminal wiretaps in the United States. The third is FISA, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the law that governs eavesdropping on agents of "foreign powers" within the United States, including suspected foreign terrorists.

Bush signed his initial presidential order in 2002 allowing the National Security Agency to monitor without a warrant the international and domestic telephone calls and e-mail messages, bank records and U.S. Mail of hundreds or thousands of citizens and legal residents inside the United States. He should be prosecuted, but I believe Congress will do little to address his criminal activity which will allow spying to continue and threaten the privacy of all Americans.

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» RE: Bush deliberately broke the law Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» I agree: Could you respond to... Posted by: chance garden
and not just the Shrub
Posted by: littlepitcher on Jan 24, 2009 7:44 AM   
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These shenanigans were not isolated to Bush I or George III.
In 1996, I e-mailed a suggestion to Sen. Bill Frist, from my boss's computer, suggesting that Tennessee establish secure farms and recruit processing businesses for medical marijuana to sell to other states. My logic was that a traditionally agricultural state where parents were being imprisoned for growing "greenshine" and creating social support liabilities, was ideal territory for a new business.
Went to work the next day, logged onto Netscape, and beheld the message scrolled across the bottom of the screen that NSA would be surveilling the computer for--can't recall if it was 48 or 72 hours.
This is in addition to a problem with a hacking by an employee of a New York Times subsidiary during the same year.
Just the price I pay for political insubordination...

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» RE: Stand up and fight against him! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
and not just the Shrub
Posted by: littlepitcher on Jan 24, 2009 7:44 AM   
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These shenanigans were not isolated to Bush I or George III.
In 1996, I e-mailed a suggestion to Sen. Bill Frist, from my boss's computer, suggesting that Tennessee establish secure farms and recruit processing businesses for medical marijuana to sell to other states. My logic was that a traditionally agricultural state where parents were being imprisoned for growing "greenshine" and creating social support liabilities, was ideal territory for a new business.
Went to work the next day, logged onto Netscape, and beheld the message scrolled across the bottom of the screen that NSA would be surveilling the computer for--can't recall if it was 48 or 72 hours.
This is in addition to a problem with a hacking by an employee of a New York Times subsidiary during the same year.
Just the price I pay for political insubordination...

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Time to Investigate Bush
Posted by: greenferret on Jan 24, 2009 7:55 AM   
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Tell your representatives to support HR 104, the National Commission on Presidential War Powers and Civil Liberties.
GreenChange.org makes it easy to tell your representatives in Congress to support an investigation; just go to http://tinyurl.com/85zrq4
If we let Bush escape justice, then we invite similar contempt for the law from future administrations.

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» RE: Time to Investigate Bush Posted by: madmax427
Why Congress has no backbone...
Posted by: gar1948 on Jan 24, 2009 8:18 AM   
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Did you ever wonder why your representatives and senators just went along with the Bush administration with only token resistance? Did you ever wonder why Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are such pushovers?

Just remember, this surveillance included EVERYBODY. Do you really think communications from members of congress were put in the slush pile to be read at some future date? Think about it.

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» If they were blackmailed . . . Posted by: dustdevil
nha16
Posted by: nha16 on Jan 24, 2009 8:21 AM   
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One tactic used in the past is to treat information such as this as "old news," not worthy of reporting. Many Americans are just waking up to the horrors done in our names. This kind of news really must reach them and not be dismissed as "old news," even though many of us have been aware of these things for years and painful years.

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nha16
Posted by: nha16 on Jan 24, 2009 8:24 AM   
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Indeed. If we ever have true investigations about these matters, I expect many officials to come forward and describe duress situations they found themselves overwhelmed by. I hope, if that time comes, that we won't judge these people too harshly. None of us knows how we might respond in similar situations.

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» Correction Posted by: nha16
A good reason why they were able to cover up 9/11 . . .
Posted by: dustdevil on Jan 24, 2009 8:46 AM   
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making sure journalists were not revealing the answers to any of the questions left unanswered by the 9/11 Commission.

The conspiracy theory offered by the Bush administration could have easily been proven
to be a ridiculous lie by any respectible journalist if he was allowed to write what he knew.

I suspect we will continue to see this blackout under Obama.

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Will America walk the walk as well? Pt I
Posted by: LMNOP on Jan 24, 2009 9:13 AM   
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I agree. There's nothing new here.

What remains to be seen is whether America has the guts, the stomach and the respect for law and justice sufficient to initiate legal action and indict and prosecute those who broke the law, which of course goes all the way up to Bush and Cheney. I think that it is overwhelmingly unlikely that there will be any interest in doing anything like this from Obama, who has shown little interest in such things. Personally, I have contempt for that attitude.

America did that in 1974 following Watergate when Nixon was pardoned instead of prosecuted. Big mistake. It was said that the nation had been through enough and needed to heal. But that's bullshit. The nation had been through enough - what a pussy nation. When is that ever an acceptable answer for anything? Private Jones in Iraq says that he's been through enough and wants to go home. Prisoner Smith has been through enough and needs to be transferred. Mrs. Johnson has three difficult children and says that she's been through enough and needs a six-month break. Too bad. America had had enough, it had been through enough. That doesn't sound like the land of the free or the home of the brave to me.

The result is that Nixon defiled the office of the Presidency and the American people when he shat on the Constitution and America's response was . . . nothing! They had been through enough you know, the poor dears. Remember, we didn't even fire Nixon - he quit.

We did nothing to him. That was the moment of truth, because the office of the Presidency had still been untarnished at that point. It was only the man - the particular President at a particular time - that was irreversibly tarnished. To defend the honor of the office and the nation, all that was necessary to invoke was to invoke the rule of law and to exact justice, to demand that the appropriate penalty was paid by the offender, exactly as if he had raped a woman and we wished to let the world know that that behavior is unacceptable and that that woman has value. Now, if a bull rapes a heifer, well, that doesn't matter because she has no value except in terms of her milk, meat or offspring, so we don't do anything about it.

But in the case of the rape of Lady Liberty or any other woman, it is understood that it would be necessary to indict, try, convict and punish the perp if she has intrinsic worth and dignity to us.

But we just let him go because we've "been through enough." We effectively said that she isn't valuable enough, that her honor means nothing more than that of the heifer raped by the bull, and that the rule of law is just a phrase rather than a princile or a passion in America, that justice (remember her, the one with the blindfold and the scales?) is as precious to us as any other crack whore. Nixon raped our sister, America, and we took it because we were too fatigued not to. And we sent the message to future presidents that our sister is easy and that he wont defend herPussies! Frigging contemptible.

And so Bush and Cheney gang-banged her again. For eight years. Where Nixon only did her mouth, Cheney and Bush did her arse, and then gouged out an eye and f*cked the empty socket. And here she lies today, bloodied and drenched in their bodily fluids. So what's America going to do about that? Let me tell you what. No, better yet, let Bush and Cheney tell you: not a farking thing.

CONT

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» RE: LMNOP You're SOooo not wrong Posted by: watching-n-waiting
Will America walk the walk as well? Pt II
Posted by: LMNOP on Jan 24, 2009 9:15 AM   
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The message: feel free to shit all over America if you're the president. She's a party country, and she doesn't fight back. She likes it. She's asking for it in fact. And Bush and Cheney obviously heard that message. Would they have been so arrogant and so flagrantly disrespectful of America, its constitution, its government and its citizens if they thought that they would likely be prosecuted once out of power? Hell no. They're cowards. You can be sure that they have always been confident that they would and will get away with doing whatever the f*ck they wanted because the realized that America doesn't have the stomach or the commitment to principles sufficient to do anything about it. Obama and the nation will just pretend like this NSA stuff and the rest never happened. Betcha.

Either we are a courageous nation of principles or we are just talk. Either one is acceptable, but, the walk and talk need to match. Cowards need to STFU, because what’s not OK is blowhard talk and a cringing walk. If America is satisfied to just take it in the butt and eye, and not even file a report, well, that's its prerogative.

But if so, I will ridicule any talk like, “we’re a nation of laws, not men” and “with liberty and justice for all.” Those words are reserved for great nations, real beacons on the hill, not wannabes that don't have the stomach or passion for justice and who just look the other way as I'm sure that this one will do.

But I'd love to be wrong.

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» RE: You're SOooooo not wrong... Posted by: watching-n-waiting
Last night I pulled out my copy of Naomi Wolf's book...
Posted by: Quannah on Jan 24, 2009 10:35 AM   
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The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot.

I urge everyone to read this book! We don't even realize how much has been done to us by the Bush Junta. Talk about chilling...

"FEAR is the foundation of most governments; but it is so sordid and brutal a passion, and renders men, in whose breasts it predominates, so stupid and miserable, that Americans will not be likely to approve of any political institution which is founded on it."

-- John Adams

Adams overestimated the American people of the 21st century. The American people have bought into the Politics of Fear hook, line and sinker.

WE are the only thing that can stop this rapid descent. If we only would realize our own power!

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The NSA/CSS; an awesome USA agency
Posted by: dca4usa on Jan 24, 2009 11:00 AM   
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The "National Security Agency/Central Security Service" protects sensative USA government communications and receives communications from
our adversaries. Its activities respected world-wide. Very important to USA National Security. Just need to clean out the politics
interfering in its mission.

Awesome, see http://www.nsa.gov/about/mission/index.shtml

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» RE: dca4usa are you freakin kidding?! Posted by: watching-n-waiting
Some pacifists already know what the govt. spooks look like
Posted by: PaulK on Jan 24, 2009 12:12 PM   
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We know their M.O. We know through familiarity where they hang out and when they drive by. We know what their trucks and cars look like. We know which bumper sticker they all put on the back bumpers of their late-model American cars. We know their penchant for long disheveled wigs for men, and their occasional preference for surprisingly short spies.

We live in a nation where ordinary people have to feed their families by performing flat-out evil tyrant-nation deeds against innocent American citizens. If I happen to have described you reading this, I don't forget but I do understand and forgive. Welcome back to the real America!

As for the reporters and United States Senators who were spied upon for political purposes, hey, you're not America's first victims, been there, done that, and yes, it's creepy.

Finally, a word for those, some domestic by mainly foreign who have innocently gone through far, far worse treatment by the U.S. Govt. Wow, I'm really sorry. I recognize that you're out there. My government is a train wreck that as one citizen I had no chance of controlling.

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Ways to Show Your Support for H.R. 104
Posted by: global_butterfly on Jan 24, 2009 1:11 PM   
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After reading Elana Schor's article: Sleeper Bill of the Month: Our Own Truth & Reconciliation Commission, I felt that this bill would die without a loud public outcry.

If you click on the link below you can send the following message, (or a customized version) to your Congressperson asking him/her to support the creation of a Commission on Presidential War Powers & Civil Liberties.
Ask Congress to Support H.R. 104

The actions, or in-actions, of the 111th Congress will decide whether Americans remember propaganda, lies and half-truths or will be condemned to blindly re-electing officials who repeat the same mistakes.

you can also show your support for this bill by:

joining the Facebook group Support H.R. 104 to Establish Commission on War Powers and Civil Liberties

or track the status of the bill on OpenCongress.org

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Presidential Mental Issues
Posted by: marizara on Jan 24, 2009 2:17 PM   
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There is a look in the eye of a person who is losing solid contact with reality. Many of us have seen that look in the eyes of our former president. That look was one of the reasons why everyone was so very uneasy about having him in such a powerful position.

The element of distrust existed on a deeper level than just evidence would cause. Why do you think we all felt such an EXTREME sense of relief when President Obama took office? We had all been living in fear of his insanity, of being dominated by it, and of watching it destroy our world. Paranoia has no place in government, or should not.

If you've ever had a relative with an infirm attachment to reality, you know exactly what I am talking about. You don't talk about it, but it's there, just like a purple elephant in the room. The most frightening thing is that everyone feels so powerless to do anything about it, because we've never learned to deal effectively with mental illness or the mentally ill. We just ignore it. And we did.

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» RE: Presidential Mental Issues Posted by: willymack
Bribery is Plausible
Posted by: Brb007 on Jan 24, 2009 4:06 PM   
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It is plausible. During the bailout talks, the House members were threatened with Martial Law, if they did not agree to vote in favor of the Bush bill. This was seen on CSPAN for a brief time, when Rep. Brad Sherman spoke at the vote meeting, but then disappeared from MSM headlines rapidly.

http://www.wikio.com/video/482684

There are a ton of articles discussing this online, one of which is linked above. Why did the MSM not make this more "Front page?" WHY are we, as a nation, not outraged at our policies being decided by bribery and strong arming, rather than by the democratic process that we claim to use and want to instill on foreign nations, like Iraq?

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Ms.
Posted by: AngryGranny on Jan 24, 2009 5:08 PM   
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Won't tell the story, but I know from personal experience, this was Summer 2001, as a peaceful protester w/ a simple 8 x 11 paper sign in Tampa when George came to town (he loved to visit Tampa and address crowds); we went after the SOB's when a group of lawyers decided to rep us; on a regular basis they were tapping the lawyers' phones and my phone, spying on my lawyer's computer, it was unreal! I knew they were doing the same to lawyers and clients all over this country, bastards! I think it started day one of George's illegitimate "reign." Those f*ckers were sick. Here's an eerie one: on one trip to D.C. for antiwar protest, after it was over, walking back to our hotel, we stumble on this army green panel van, unmarked, cameras, two city blocks dead in front of the WH. Filming/spying on anti-Bush protesters, for christ's sake! My guess is they have spent BILLION$ trashing our privacy. I want them all frog-marched off and tried SO IT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN!

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» RE: Ms. Posted by: watching-n-waiting
conveniently neglected to mention democrats' complicity
Posted by: tony12000 on Jan 24, 2009 6:07 PM   
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everything is evil republicans evil bush...but neither party has a monopoly on oppression and deprivation of liberty. turning this into a party issue allows democrats to get off..... Hold Them Accountable Too: Many Democrats Supported Policies of the "Worst President" (Part I)

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» RE: Oh Please! Posted by: watching-n-waiting
» Complicity? Please NOTE Posted by: hardwroc
» What's your point? Posted by: LMNOP
who?
Posted by: pbutler on Jan 25, 2009 3:27 PM   
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... and even the senator tasked with overseeing U.S. intelligence.

Which senator? What form did the spying take?

Was this something an editor cut out of the original story, or yet another Alternet headline snafu?

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Americans: never a single word
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jan 25, 2009 4:25 PM   
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about the HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS PERPETRATED ON THE REST OF THE WORLD...

the US WAS SPYING ON EVERYBODY, clue in.

when the Rest of the World figures it out, there had better be some *actual freaking interest in what you did the the REST OF US*.

& you wonder why people don't like you?

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OK I've waited until Obama was in power
Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Jan 25, 2009 9:52 PM   
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Now where are our rights Obama? I want them back as promised during the campaign. Use that pen of yours and negate the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, and the FEMA abuse of power.

Jefferson negated the Sedition Act when he came to office. Are you not the same President as he was...for the people?
Without our Constitution and Bill of Rights we aren't a democracy. It's not a good example to the world when we say we want to spread it around. They might think we are going to take away their rights and resources (such as oil).

During times of disaster, invasion, or war we need these rights more than ever. That's why we left the British Royals who abused their power.

http://www.wethepeoplecongress.org/
We the People Congress.

The people are going to have to demand their democracy and rights back. I hope the cause spreads so Congress and our President know we are upset and want real "change for the better".

They are not kings to rob and deney us our country. It is ours not those secret organizations who meet in private deciding how to cut up the world for themselves.

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