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Obama Should Worry About the Bush Family Tentacles Undermining His Plans
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As George W. Bush leaves office and Barack Obama takes over, we are in danger of missing the opportunity for change our new president has promised -- unless we come to grips with what the great historian and Librarian of Congress Daniel Boorstin called our "hidden history," not just of the past eight years but of the past half-century and more.
President Obama will face a staggering array of challenges, most, if not all, of which stem from the policies of Bush. But efforts at reform will fall short if we fail to probe and confront the powerful forces that wanted this disastrous administration in the White House in the first place -- and that remain ready and able to maintain their influence behind the scenes today.
Like most people, I took the failings of George W. Bush at face value: an inattentive, poorly prepared man full of hubris, who committed colossal blunders as a result. Then I spent five years researching my new book, Family of Secrets and came to see that the origins go much deeper. This backstory is getting almost no attention in the talking-heads debate over the Bush legacy. Yet it will continue to play, affecting our country and our lives, long after Bush leaves office.
A more profound explanation for the rise of George W. Bush came as I studied the concerted effort to convince the public that he was independent of, and often in disagreement with, his father. The reason for this, it turned out, was that exactly the opposite was true. W. may have been bumptious where his father was discreet, but in fact the son hewed closely to a playbook that guided his father and even his grandfather.
Over much of the last century, the Bushes have been serving the aims of a very narrow segment from within America's wealthiest interests and families -- typically through involvement in the most anti-New Deal investment banking circles, in the creation of a civilian intelligence service after World War II, and in some of that service's most secretive and still-unacknowledged operations.
Through declassified documents and interviews, I unearthed evidence that George W. Bush's father, the 41st president of the United States, had been working for the intelligence services no less than two decades before he was named CIA director in 1976. Time and again, Bush 41 and his allies have participated in clandestine operations to force presidents to do the bidding of oil and other resource-extraction interests, military contractors and financiers. Whenever a president showed independence or sought reforms that threatened entrenched interests, this group helped to ensure that he was politically attacked and neutralized, or even removed from office, through one means or another.
We are not dealing here with what are commonly dismissed as "conspiracy theories." We are dealing with a reality that is much more subtle, layered and pervasive -- a matrix of power in which crude conspiracies are rarely necessary and in which the execution or subsequent cover-up of anti-democratic acts become practically a norm.
In 1953, 23 years before he became CIA director as a supposed neophyte, George H.W. Bush began preparing to launch an oil-exploration company called Zapata Offshore. His father, investment banker Prescott Bush, had just taken a Senate seat from Connecticut; and his father's close friend Allen Dulles had just taken over the CIA. A staff CIA officer, Thomas J. Devine, purportedly "resigned" to go into the oil business with young George.
Bush then began to travel around the world. His itineraries had little apparent relationship to his limited and perennially unprofitable business enterprises. But they do make sense if the object was intelligence work. When his company at last put a few oil rigs in place, they ended up in highly sensitive spots, such as just off Castro's Cuba before the Bay of Pigs invasion.
As part of his travels, Bush senior even appeared in Dallas on the morning of the Kennedy assassination, although he would famously claim that he could not recall where he was at that historic moment. After leaving the city, he called the FBI with a false tip about a possible assassin, pointedly emphasizing that he was calling from outside Dallas. It is also intriguing to learn that an old friend of Bush's, a White Russian émigré with intelligence connections, shepherded Lee Harvey Oswald upon his return to America in the year preceding the assassination. In any event, when Lyndon Johnson replaced Kennedy, the oilmen and the intelligence-military establishment once again had a friend in the White House.
The pattern continued. New evidence suggests that Bush senior and his associates in the intelligence services, far from being the loyalists to Richard Nixon they claimed to be, had turned on the 35th president early in his administration, unceasingly working to weaken and eventually force him out. These efforts culminated in what appears to have been a deliberately botched Watergate office burglary -- led by former CIA officers.
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Posted by: georgiaorwell on Jan 22, 2009 1:32 AM
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The question: how does Obama fit into this picture? What will he be allowed to do with this group behind the scenes. Is he a part of this picture that we don't know about? As you illustrated, look what happened to people in power who have gone against their will. Please keep writing about this as it is hugely important to our country.
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Posted by: Zuma on Jan 22, 2009 1:43 AM
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Posted by: LeftWright on Jan 22, 2009 1:54 AM
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What is truly curious is Mr. Baker's reluctance to even look at some of the more obvious, and recent, activities of the Bush family and their assorted cronies and accomplices. His book completely skips over the attempted assassination of Pres. Reagan, for instance, even though there are clear ties between the Bush family and the Hinckley family and VP Bush was running a Continuity of Government exercise that very day. He also carefully slides around G.H.W. Bushes involvement in the October counter surprise in 1980, his role with Noriega, and his role in the Iran/contra crimes.
Most significant, however, Mr. Baker doesn't even dare to approach the serious questions about George W. Bushes total failure as commander in chief on 9/11/01, his treasonous role in the ongoing cover-up and the very real possibility that the Bush family was deeply involved in the 9/11 operation itself.
Considering the fate of people like Sen. Wellstone and others, this is understandable, if regrettable.
The book is a worthwhile, if not always easy, read; even given its curiously incomplete account of the Bush crime family.
It should be noted that Robert Gates, who Mr. Obama has kept on for the time being, has been closely involved with the "hidden" Bush agenda for decades, and has also committed numerous acts of treason.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
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» RE: When the facts delineate a conspiracy, it is not a theory, but a certainty
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» The fact is ... conspiracy case closed!
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» "The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward. "
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» Funny, I've never even read one of his books
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Posted by: heinzib on Jan 22, 2009 2:15 AM
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Such conditions prevail over many, many years, and in the future a report will inform us how and why we stumbled in the here and now, contolled by the likes of the Bush family or their replacement.What I am getting to is that we, the public, the voters, create what we eventually reap, socially and politically, what we have sewed. For instance, and more significant for me, FDR has been the hero president over many eras. He saved this country from almost total collapse. And his methods of operation actually benefitted this nation, preventing it to collapse both economically and socially.But what about his "underbelly?" I, a Holocaust survivor, suffered because he was in power. I don't claim or know whether any other person in power would have done anything differently, but, I do know that because of Mr. Roosevelt's actions, many Jews who were eager to escape the Hitler regime were trapped because there was no safety to be found. We were all told to go away and find other destinations where perhaps safety might be found. And for us, as it turns out, there weren't. Roosevelt helped to save, yet he was equally guilty of helping Hitler kill the Jews. I know. I lost my mother and grandmother because we were told to go away at a time when we desperately needed some semblance of reassurance that our lives might continue past this "killing of Jews" time.
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Posted by: paulmagillsmith on Jan 22, 2009 2:37 AM
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From the insidious beast, Prescott Bush, who conspired to finance the Nazis even after America was at war with Germany in WWII, to his son GHW Bush, implicated in first introducing crack cocaine to this country to illegally fund the Nicaraguan forces against US imperialism, to the grandson, GW Bush, this is a seedy family, with too much financial clout.
GHW Bush headed the Carlyle Group-reported as the largest arms dealers in the world, and Bush 41 is now a billionaire from this.
Through insider positioning, by invading & threatening members of congress (one reason Bush Jr probably left peacefully is revealed in Rep. Brad Sherman's statement on the Congressional floor that threats were made about the invocation of martial law unless the TARP was passed-so the Bush's & their banking friends made off with undisclosed billions before he flew back to Midlands TX-the toady inept son had successfully completed the devious task the father sent him to Washington to accomplish for the fascist Nazi grandfather), to their kissin' cousin relationship with the Saudis (15 of 19 'supposed' 911 terrorists were Saudis, so why didn't we invade them instead of Iraq?), Bush world & the oil world (as well as Zionist tasks) were completed.
After all the hooplah about, "We haven't had a foreign attack on our shores since 911" (and neither did Bill Clinton from 1993 to 2001, the same length of time), I now expect the Bush family to orchestrate an attack in the near future (probably nuclear this time) against an American city), just so they can claim, "I told you so!".
Does anyone even remember that a Bush was meeting with Osama Bin Laden's brother at the moment 911 happened? Or that Mossad agents were celebrating while filming the plane crashes into the towers, but were very suspiciously deported immediately following the event?
WTF, all these crooks, criminals & deviants got away. As Bush 43 was flying away the crowds on the mall were cheering & singing, but I have no doubt that dry drunk was likely toasting because he had accomplished the mission of his grandfather & father with the ruination & enslavement of America.
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Posted by: Zuma on Jan 22, 2009 3:01 AM
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Links to Webster Tarpley's Bush family bio:
http://zuma.vip.warped.com/z/#tarpley
On John Halliday's book, 'Flying Through Midnight':
http://zuma.vip.warped.com/x/
Nick Turse's book is essential reading imo:
http://www.nickturse.com/excerpts.html
During Bush's tenure (or reign) we did hew together, even in repulsion. many, like the lakota nation thought of and moved toward secession. others considered [re]constitution conventions. others gathered in places like Two Peaks, N.M., getting off the grid and out of the system. repression provokes blowback. antiestablishmentarianism taken further. And leaders have arose, like Dennis Kucinich and Ron paul who speak softly but carry the water. We as a nation must completely disavow any more disingenuous politicking or artful centrism that does not frankly address the wrong of repairing a predatory reality.
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Posted by: shill on Jan 22, 2009 3:31 AM
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Posted by: racetoinfinity on Jan 22, 2009 3:51 AM
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We need to keep a vigilant eye on the Bush & c*o. crime family and associates, and you sound like someone who has done the research and and will keep that vigilant eye open. Please post there regularly, and keep up the good work. I have to reluctantly but realistically believe that Obama has aready been touched by this cancer, given his economic appointments, and other centrist ( and "post-partisan") moves.
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Posted by: StillStanding on Jan 22, 2009 3:57 AM
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When he voted for the FISA reauthorization, Obama was willing to let the telecoms off the hook for their illegal spying on Americans. That should have been the warning sign that he has no intention of holding his corporate pimps accountable for their treasonous assault on the Constitution.
While I haven't completely given up on Obama, I think it's about 98% certain he's just another corporate shill. If he thwarts Conyer's proposed hearings, then it will be a 100% certainty.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jan 22, 2009 4:00 AM
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When FDR came into office on March 4, 1933 he presided over an administration that was so successful, the GOP were not able to reclaim the White House for another twenty years.
The GOP is going to do everything possible to ensure that President Obama's administration is a complete and utter failure. We must start focusing on the 2010 mid term elections. We have to make sure that it is a landslide for the Democrats. That will be the only way that Barack Obama will be a success.
The so-called "party of Lincoln" must be rendered as deader than old Abe himself.
Cocka-Doodle-Do, America!
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Jan 22, 2009 5:00 AM
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And lets not hold up the New Deal as the Holy Grail. It played a part in 1933 but came no where near pulling the country out of the depression which was still going on right up to WW2. FDR's legacy is that he had leadership and exercised it during two crises - The depression and WW2. Both had to run it's course
If you want something to complain about how about the near ruination of Social Security.
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Posted by: CDrago on Jan 22, 2009 6:40 AM
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Anyone with reasonable access to JFK assassination evidence who does not conclude that a criminal conspiracy took the president's life is cognitively impaired and/or complicit in the crime.
Period.
Mr. Baker, fully cognizant of his action's consequences, has crossed his Rubicon. In so doing he has demonstrated courage and conviction, and now it is for us to support him by displaying similar personal qualities.
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Posted by: jwverez on Jan 22, 2009 6:54 AM
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» I'll point out flaws but it's not my duty to rewrite the article. And what about Congress?
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 22, 2009 7:08 AM
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Posted by: Urstrly on Jan 22, 2009 7:14 AM
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If we assume the Bushes simply bump off anyone who gets in the way of Big Oil, we may as well throw in the towel now.
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» So true, so true...real power is in manipulation of the mass media
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Posted by: sausage on Jan 22, 2009 8:08 AM
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The rise to prominence of George H.W. Bush, an intelligent though uncharismatic and often tongue-tied son of a U.S. Senator and Wall Street financier, to the highest office in the land is one of American history's most curious cases.
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Posted by: Zimbly on Jan 22, 2009 8:09 AM
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I believe the author is getting very close to putting his finger on the REAL SOURCE and real criminal cabal behind the scenes.
After all that's who these folks are, criminals.
Unless this "group" is identified, exposed and brought to full public scrutiny, they will continue to undermine even possibly destroy democracy in the USA....... to protect us from enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC...its just that many "naive" Presidents have no idea "HOW DOMESTIC" the danger is.
Oliver Stone, tried as best he could in movies like Kennedy and Nixon( Nixon being too"psychological" for the critics)..dropping hints...even bringing you into a Texas magnates home...hint , hint.....
Lastly to quote Peter Dale Scott...to understand 911 you need to understand the Kennedy assassination
Follow the money
Lastly the CIA, when it was formerly established, was founded by Wall street Bankers and lawyers..that should tell you something about the function of the CIA.
Kennedy was right, he was on the right path, but he underestimated his enemy, how internecine and dangerous and how close they actually were.
Question is, how do you get the dangerous vipers out of the "system"...without getting your head blown off , as President?????
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» this "group" is identified....
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jan 22, 2009 8:27 AM
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I can only hope that as a nation we have learned our lesson, and treasonous cabal not withstanding, we the people need to come together to stop them and their ruthless, ransacking and destruction of this nation, disregard for laws, and disregard for it's people!
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» Agreed...the question is...How?
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Posted by: Gisele on Jan 22, 2009 11:42 AM
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President George H.W.Bush to White House correspondent Sara McClendon, 1992
Yeah, probably.
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» this is the best idea i've heard from a bush!
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Posted by: tpfleming on Jan 22, 2009 12:14 PM
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Tim Fleming
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Posted by: US Citizen on Jan 22, 2009 12:19 PM
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Posted by: joe_is_in_the_room on Jan 22, 2009 3:06 PM
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Give us names and addresses, change will come.
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Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Jan 22, 2009 3:08 PM
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Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:29pm EST
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A proposal issued in the final days of the Bush administration to expand offshore drilling in previously banned areas will move forward under the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama, an Interior Department spokesman told Reuters on Wednesday.
Shortly after being sworn in on Tuesday, Obama ordered all federal agencies and departments to halt pending regulations until they can be reviewed by incoming staff.
Hugh Vickery, a department spokesman, said the department has been notified by the White House that it will be able to proceed with a proposed draft of a five-year plan to lease areas in the Atlantic and Pacific waters for oil and natural gas drilling.
The preliminary plan would authorize 31 energy exploration lease sales between 2010 and 2015 for tracts along the east coast and off the coasts of Alaska and California.
When the plan was unveiled last week, the department said it would provide the Obama administration with the option to begin leasing recently opened areas in 2010, two years before the current leasing plan is set to end.
The department issued a notice Wednesday requesting public comments on the plan. The comment period will be open for 60 days. After that, the Obama administration would have to decide whether to proceed with an official proposal, make changes or scrap it.
Both presidential and congressional bans on drilling in most U.S. waters ended last year.
The Interior Department estimates that the Outer Continental Shelf holds 86 billion barrels of oil and 420 trillion cubic feet of natural gas that have yet to be discovered. It is possible U.S. offshore areas, which have not been explored in 25 years, could contain more oil and gas.
Separately, Vickery said the department's plan to develop oil shale fields in the western United States would also continue.
(Reporting by Ayesha Rascoe and Tom Doggett; Editing by Christian Wiessner)
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Posted by: vvvci on Jan 22, 2009 6:11 PM
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#1. Recent computer-aided forensic and ballistic re-creations of the JFK assassination indicate an extremely high probability that Oswald truly was the gunman. Had there been gunmen on "the grassy knoll" shooting from Kennedy's righty, Jackie would have been drenched in his blood - if not killed by the bullet passing through her husband.
#2. Dan Rather didn't get around to investigating (then) Lt. Bush's Texas Air National Guard "AWOL" record until long after it would have been helpful - the summer of 2000. By the time Rather got to the story, Bush was already president. Anyone who read anything about Bush's real bio, was aware of his __never showed up for Alabama ANG duty" record long before Nov. 2000.
#3. Bush Jr. didn't fall far from the family tree. Like father, he liked invading hapless nations (Panama, Grenada under Reagan); like papa he was friends with the Sauid royals (and looked the other way to their corruptions); like daddy's Iran-Contra Junior like _outsourcing_ wars and occupations to ruthless armies and hired warlords; like the Contra wars and "Office of Americas", he had a soft spot for torture; and of course like daddy Bush and the S&L scandal > Bush-1 Recession, Junior loved tax cuts for the wealthy, monster deficits for everyone else to pay - the modern version of rounding up the sharecroppers and locking 'em down on the farm.
Oh - and don't forget, the PNAC/AIPAC connection - just visit the PNAC manifesto, to realize without PNAC, there would be NO Iraq war or botched occupation of Afghanistan.
http://newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
http://newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
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» POINT ONE: BEYOND NONSENSE
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This being the case, I suspect that Obama -- being as smart as he is and as schooled as he is in Chicago politics -- is well aware of the danger and knows that if he confronts it head on, he will be eliminated just as JFK and RFK (and MLK too) were.
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I know the Bush family secrets go much deeper than you were able to put in only two pages.
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Also, Mr. Baker states that Clinton "...instituted virtually no significant reforms in, or issued challenges to, either the intelligence or military establishments." This is a blatant mis-statement of the truth. Clinton DID in fact cut the intelligence and military budgets by billions of dollars, leaving our intelligence agencies crippled.
Former CIA Director George Tenet wrote in March, 2004:
The record shows that despite the well-documented resource reductions we took in the 1990s and the enormous competing demands for our attention, I and a series of DCIs before me saw to it that the resources committed to the counterterrorism effort were not only protected but also enhanced.
The cost of the post-Cold War “peace dividend” was that during the 1990s our intelligence community funding declined in real terms, reducing our buying power by tens of billions of dollars over the decade. We lost nearly one in four of our positions. This loss of manpower was devastating, particularly in our two most manpower intensive activities: all-source analysis and human source collection. By the mid-1990s, recruitment of new CIA analysts and case officers had come to a virtual halt. NSA was hiring no new technologists during the greatest information technology change in our lifetimes. Both Congress and the Executive Branch for most of the decade embraced the idea that we could surge our resources to deal with emerging intelligence challenges, including threats from terrorism.
From a budget perspective, the last part of the 1990s reflects CIA’s efforts to shift to a wartime footing against terrorism. CIA’s budget had declined 18 percent in real terms during the decade and we suffered a loss of 16 percent of our personnel (this is slightly less of a cut than the 1 in 4 cited for the Intelligence Community as a whole earlier).
Tenet also said in April, 2004:
By the mid-1990s the Intelligence Community was operating with significant erosion in resources and people and was unable to keep pace with technological change. When I became DCI, I found a Community and a CIA whose dollars were declining and whose expertise was ebbing.
We lost close to 25 percent of our people and billions of dollars in capital investment.
The pace of technological change and a $3 trillion telecommunications revolution challenged the National Security Agency’s ability to keep up with the increasing volume and velocity of modern communications.
The infrastructure to recruit, train, and sustain officers for our clandestine services—the nation’s human intelligence capability—was in disarray.
We were not hiring new analysts, emphasizing the importance of expertise, or giving analysts the tools they needed.
Does this sound like virturally NO reforms or challenges to intelligence???
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Talk about "HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS"! What more proof do we need? No one associated with this family should ever be allowed near any government position again.
Keep your eye on Jeb. He is surely up to something with his crooked Cuban pals in Florida. Never let this man run for any office anywhere. He's the worst of the bunch.
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Posted by: annasdad on Jan 23, 2009 3:50 PM
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"Change we want, Change we need, Change we can believe in." Slogans- not commitments.
Just another wholly owned representative of American Imperialism, corporate greed and the military economy. The color has changed, but not the philosophy. Obama will not tackle the "real" issues. He's at best a John Kerry clone. Americans don't really want change. If they did they would be voting for Kuchinich's and Huckabees not the nominees of corporate greed.
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Posted by: independent1 on Jan 25, 2009 4:14 AM
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Observation of the Republican Party shows that they do in fact follow a trail of deceit which is undermining our freedoms. But it's entirely by betraying / redefining / inverting their stated principles (like freedom for individuals, laissez fare economic policy). Any fool could have seen years ago that these two "principles" in particular had been bent to create a new class of mega-criminals: those who work "in private" free from oversight and kept from the public view.
Going back to the Enron scandal: this has been the way of it.
We all know that the original meaning of laissez fare was intended to free the "merchant class" and those who "create" factories and jobs from too-burdensome (and often draconian) government. As we have seen: no one can be trusted with that much freedom. We "lower class" individuals are not allowed the same freedoms as the super-rich. The current economic melt-down was inevitable. We are made beholden to the insanely rich corporate royals for our jobs, our very sustenance.
"Freedom" was what allowed the Arab terrorists to succeed on 9/11/01.
Even though Ayn Rand's book, "The Virtue of Selfishness" clearly stated the contrary: these Republicans have bent that ideal to their own purposes and made misuse of the notion of individual freedom part of our culture. To her credit, Ayn Rand emphasized the idea of exchanging "value for value" in economic contracts - but she was a naive little Russian immigrant who in the end abetted the rise of
the capitalist oligarchs with her simple "faith" in human honesty.
The overview is this: any ideology can be hijacked and ideologies are "best promoted" through misleading advertising (read, "propaganda").
We are guilty of forgetting something else Rand used to say: One cannot live a contradiction. When you see someone contradicting their statements and claims through their actions: you know you have a crook in your sights. We failed to see the obvious: All the yapping about freedom and the honesty of business tycoons was contradicted by Bush 43's resort to war time powers and the consistent anti-labor stance he and all Republicans adopted since the Reagan years. As of this hour, their efforts have put America under corporate control for all intents and purposes.
Has the Bush family been complicit in this? Most certainly - and that's the simple truth. There's no need for elaborate and impossible to prove "theories." By serving the super rich, they are enriched. By violating the presidential oath, Bush has ensured that he will always be wealthy and will always have Secret Service protection in addition to all the other entitlements. (Ironic that Republicans use "entitlements" as a pejorative term, eh?)
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The question: how does Obama fit into this picture? What will he be allowed to do with this group behind the scenes. Is he a part of this picture that we don't know about? As you illustrated, look what happened to people in power who have gone against their will. Please keep writing about this as it is hugely important to our country.
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What is truly curious is Mr. Baker's reluctance to even look at some of the more obvious, and recent, activities of the Bush family and their assorted cronies and accomplices. His book completely skips over the attempted assassination of Pres. Reagan, for instance, even though there are clear ties between the Bush family and the Hinckley family and VP Bush was running a Continuity of Government exercise that very day. He also carefully slides around G.H.W. Bushes involvement in the October counter surprise in 1980, his role with Noriega, and his role in the Iran/contra crimes.
Most significant, however, Mr. Baker doesn't even dare to approach the serious questions about George W. Bushes total failure as commander in chief on 9/11/01, his treasonous role in the ongoing cover-up and the very real possibility that the Bush family was deeply involved in the 9/11 operation itself.
Considering the fate of people like Sen. Wellstone and others, this is understandable, if regrettable.
The book is a worthwhile, if not always easy, read; even given its curiously incomplete account of the Bush crime family.
It should be noted that Robert Gates, who Mr. Obama has kept on for the time being, has been closely involved with the "hidden" Bush agenda for decades, and has also committed numerous acts of treason.
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Such conditions prevail over many, many years, and in the future a report will inform us how and why we stumbled in the here and now, contolled by the likes of the Bush family or their replacement.What I am getting to is that we, the public, the voters, create what we eventually reap, socially and politically, what we have sewed. For instance, and more significant for me, FDR has been the hero president over many eras. He saved this country from almost total collapse. And his methods of operation actually benefitted this nation, preventing it to collapse both economically and socially.But what about his "underbelly?" I, a Holocaust survivor, suffered because he was in power. I don't claim or know whether any other person in power would have done anything differently, but, I do know that because of Mr. Roosevelt's actions, many Jews who were eager to escape the Hitler regime were trapped because there was no safety to be found. We were all told to go away and find other destinations where perhaps safety might be found. And for us, as it turns out, there weren't. Roosevelt helped to save, yet he was equally guilty of helping Hitler kill the Jews. I know. I lost my mother and grandmother because we were told to go away at a time when we desperately needed some semblance of reassurance that our lives might continue past this "killing of Jews" time.
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Posted by: paulmagillsmith on Jan 22, 2009 2:37 AM
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From the insidious beast, Prescott Bush, who conspired to finance the Nazis even after America was at war with Germany in WWII, to his son GHW Bush, implicated in first introducing crack cocaine to this country to illegally fund the Nicaraguan forces against US imperialism, to the grandson, GW Bush, this is a seedy family, with too much financial clout.
GHW Bush headed the Carlyle Group-reported as the largest arms dealers in the world, and Bush 41 is now a billionaire from this.
Through insider positioning, by invading & threatening members of congress (one reason Bush Jr probably left peacefully is revealed in Rep. Brad Sherman's statement on the Congressional floor that threats were made about the invocation of martial law unless the TARP was passed-so the Bush's & their banking friends made off with undisclosed billions before he flew back to Midlands TX-the toady inept son had successfully completed the devious task the father sent him to Washington to accomplish for the fascist Nazi grandfather), to their kissin' cousin relationship with the Saudis (15 of 19 'supposed' 911 terrorists were Saudis, so why didn't we invade them instead of Iraq?), Bush world & the oil world (as well as Zionist tasks) were completed.
After all the hooplah about, "We haven't had a foreign attack on our shores since 911" (and neither did Bill Clinton from 1993 to 2001, the same length of time), I now expect the Bush family to orchestrate an attack in the near future (probably nuclear this time) against an American city), just so they can claim, "I told you so!".
Does anyone even remember that a Bush was meeting with Osama Bin Laden's brother at the moment 911 happened? Or that Mossad agents were celebrating while filming the plane crashes into the towers, but were very suspiciously deported immediately following the event?
WTF, all these crooks, criminals & deviants got away. As Bush 43 was flying away the crowds on the mall were cheering & singing, but I have no doubt that dry drunk was likely toasting because he had accomplished the mission of his grandfather & father with the ruination & enslavement of America.
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Links to Webster Tarpley's Bush family bio:
http://zuma.vip.warped.com/z/#tarpley
On John Halliday's book, 'Flying Through Midnight':
http://zuma.vip.warped.com/x/
Nick Turse's book is essential reading imo:
http://www.nickturse.com/excerpts.html
During Bush's tenure (or reign) we did hew together, even in repulsion. many, like the lakota nation thought of and moved toward secession. others considered [re]constitution conventions. others gathered in places like Two Peaks, N.M., getting off the grid and out of the system. repression provokes blowback. antiestablishmentarianism taken further. And leaders have arose, like Dennis Kucinich and Ron paul who speak softly but carry the water. We as a nation must completely disavow any more disingenuous politicking or artful centrism that does not frankly address the wrong of repairing a predatory reality.
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We need to keep a vigilant eye on the Bush & c*o. crime family and associates, and you sound like someone who has done the research and and will keep that vigilant eye open. Please post there regularly, and keep up the good work. I have to reluctantly but realistically believe that Obama has aready been touched by this cancer, given his economic appointments, and other centrist ( and "post-partisan") moves.
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When he voted for the FISA reauthorization, Obama was willing to let the telecoms off the hook for their illegal spying on Americans. That should have been the warning sign that he has no intention of holding his corporate pimps accountable for their treasonous assault on the Constitution.
While I haven't completely given up on Obama, I think it's about 98% certain he's just another corporate shill. If he thwarts Conyer's proposed hearings, then it will be a 100% certainty.
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When FDR came into office on March 4, 1933 he presided over an administration that was so successful, the GOP were not able to reclaim the White House for another twenty years.
The GOP is going to do everything possible to ensure that President Obama's administration is a complete and utter failure. We must start focusing on the 2010 mid term elections. We have to make sure that it is a landslide for the Democrats. That will be the only way that Barack Obama will be a success.
The so-called "party of Lincoln" must be rendered as deader than old Abe himself.
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And lets not hold up the New Deal as the Holy Grail. It played a part in 1933 but came no where near pulling the country out of the depression which was still going on right up to WW2. FDR's legacy is that he had leadership and exercised it during two crises - The depression and WW2. Both had to run it's course
If you want something to complain about how about the near ruination of Social Security.
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Anyone with reasonable access to JFK assassination evidence who does not conclude that a criminal conspiracy took the president's life is cognitively impaired and/or complicit in the crime.
Period.
Mr. Baker, fully cognizant of his action's consequences, has crossed his Rubicon. In so doing he has demonstrated courage and conviction, and now it is for us to support him by displaying similar personal qualities.
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If we assume the Bushes simply bump off anyone who gets in the way of Big Oil, we may as well throw in the towel now.
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The rise to prominence of George H.W. Bush, an intelligent though uncharismatic and often tongue-tied son of a U.S. Senator and Wall Street financier, to the highest office in the land is one of American history's most curious cases.
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I believe the author is getting very close to putting his finger on the REAL SOURCE and real criminal cabal behind the scenes.
After all that's who these folks are, criminals.
Unless this "group" is identified, exposed and brought to full public scrutiny, they will continue to undermine even possibly destroy democracy in the USA....... to protect us from enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC...its just that many "naive" Presidents have no idea "HOW DOMESTIC" the danger is.
Oliver Stone, tried as best he could in movies like Kennedy and Nixon( Nixon being too"psychological" for the critics)..dropping hints...even bringing you into a Texas magnates home...hint , hint.....
Lastly to quote Peter Dale Scott...to understand 911 you need to understand the Kennedy assassination
Follow the money
Lastly the CIA, when it was formerly established, was founded by Wall street Bankers and lawyers..that should tell you something about the function of the CIA.
Kennedy was right, he was on the right path, but he underestimated his enemy, how internecine and dangerous and how close they actually were.
Question is, how do you get the dangerous vipers out of the "system"...without getting your head blown off , as President?????
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I can only hope that as a nation we have learned our lesson, and treasonous cabal not withstanding, we the people need to come together to stop them and their ruthless, ransacking and destruction of this nation, disregard for laws, and disregard for it's people!
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President George H.W.Bush to White House correspondent Sara McClendon, 1992
Yeah, probably.
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Posted by: joe_is_in_the_room on Jan 22, 2009 3:06 PM
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Give us names and addresses, change will come.
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Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Jan 22, 2009 3:08 PM
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Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:29pm EST
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A proposal issued in the final days of the Bush administration to expand offshore drilling in previously banned areas will move forward under the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama, an Interior Department spokesman told Reuters on Wednesday.
Shortly after being sworn in on Tuesday, Obama ordered all federal agencies and departments to halt pending regulations until they can be reviewed by incoming staff.
Hugh Vickery, a department spokesman, said the department has been notified by the White House that it will be able to proceed with a proposed draft of a five-year plan to lease areas in the Atlantic and Pacific waters for oil and natural gas drilling.
The preliminary plan would authorize 31 energy exploration lease sales between 2010 and 2015 for tracts along the east coast and off the coasts of Alaska and California.
When the plan was unveiled last week, the department said it would provide the Obama administration with the option to begin leasing recently opened areas in 2010, two years before the current leasing plan is set to end.
The department issued a notice Wednesday requesting public comments on the plan. The comment period will be open for 60 days. After that, the Obama administration would have to decide whether to proceed with an official proposal, make changes or scrap it.
Both presidential and congressional bans on drilling in most U.S. waters ended last year.
The Interior Department estimates that the Outer Continental Shelf holds 86 billion barrels of oil and 420 trillion cubic feet of natural gas that have yet to be discovered. It is possible U.S. offshore areas, which have not been explored in 25 years, could contain more oil and gas.
Separately, Vickery said the department's plan to develop oil shale fields in the western United States would also continue.
(Reporting by Ayesha Rascoe and Tom Doggett; Editing by Christian Wiessner)
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Posted by: vvvci on Jan 22, 2009 6:11 PM
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#1. Recent computer-aided forensic and ballistic re-creations of the JFK assassination indicate an extremely high probability that Oswald truly was the gunman. Had there been gunmen on "the grassy knoll" shooting from Kennedy's righty, Jackie would have been drenched in his blood - if not killed by the bullet passing through her husband.
#2. Dan Rather didn't get around to investigating (then) Lt. Bush's Texas Air National Guard "AWOL" record until long after it would have been helpful - the summer of 2000. By the time Rather got to the story, Bush was already president. Anyone who read anything about Bush's real bio, was aware of his __never showed up for Alabama ANG duty" record long before Nov. 2000.
#3. Bush Jr. didn't fall far from the family tree. Like father, he liked invading hapless nations (Panama, Grenada under Reagan); like papa he was friends with the Sauid royals (and looked the other way to their corruptions); like daddy's Iran-Contra Junior like _outsourcing_ wars and occupations to ruthless armies and hired warlords; like the Contra wars and "Office of Americas", he had a soft spot for torture; and of course like daddy Bush and the S&L scandal > Bush-1 Recession, Junior loved tax cuts for the wealthy, monster deficits for everyone else to pay - the modern version of rounding up the sharecroppers and locking 'em down on the farm.
Oh - and don't forget, the PNAC/AIPAC connection - just visit the PNAC manifesto, to realize without PNAC, there would be NO Iraq war or botched occupation of Afghanistan.
http://newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
http://newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
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Posted by: Mystery Solver on Jan 22, 2009 6:42 PM
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Posted by: DetachedObserver on Jan 22, 2009 8:00 PM
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This being the case, I suspect that Obama -- being as smart as he is and as schooled as he is in Chicago politics -- is well aware of the danger and knows that if he confronts it head on, he will be eliminated just as JFK and RFK (and MLK too) were.
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Posted by: gandolfshep on Jan 22, 2009 8:45 PM
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I know the Bush family secrets go much deeper than you were able to put in only two pages.
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Posted by: CarrierPilot on Jan 23, 2009 10:25 AM
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Posted by: podbabe on Jan 23, 2009 10:29 AM
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Also, Mr. Baker states that Clinton "...instituted virtually no significant reforms in, or issued challenges to, either the intelligence or military establishments." This is a blatant mis-statement of the truth. Clinton DID in fact cut the intelligence and military budgets by billions of dollars, leaving our intelligence agencies crippled.
Former CIA Director George Tenet wrote in March, 2004:
The record shows that despite the well-documented resource reductions we took in the 1990s and the enormous competing demands for our attention, I and a series of DCIs before me saw to it that the resources committed to the counterterrorism effort were not only protected but also enhanced.
The cost of the post-Cold War “peace dividend” was that during the 1990s our intelligence community funding declined in real terms, reducing our buying power by tens of billions of dollars over the decade. We lost nearly one in four of our positions. This loss of manpower was devastating, particularly in our two most manpower intensive activities: all-source analysis and human source collection. By the mid-1990s, recruitment of new CIA analysts and case officers had come to a virtual halt. NSA was hiring no new technologists during the greatest information technology change in our lifetimes. Both Congress and the Executive Branch for most of the decade embraced the idea that we could surge our resources to deal with emerging intelligence challenges, including threats from terrorism.
From a budget perspective, the last part of the 1990s reflects CIA’s efforts to shift to a wartime footing against terrorism. CIA’s budget had declined 18 percent in real terms during the decade and we suffered a loss of 16 percent of our personnel (this is slightly less of a cut than the 1 in 4 cited for the Intelligence Community as a whole earlier).
Tenet also said in April, 2004:
By the mid-1990s the Intelligence Community was operating with significant erosion in resources and people and was unable to keep pace with technological change. When I became DCI, I found a Community and a CIA whose dollars were declining and whose expertise was ebbing.
We lost close to 25 percent of our people and billions of dollars in capital investment.
The pace of technological change and a $3 trillion telecommunications revolution challenged the National Security Agency’s ability to keep up with the increasing volume and velocity of modern communications.
The infrastructure to recruit, train, and sustain officers for our clandestine services—the nation’s human intelligence capability—was in disarray.
We were not hiring new analysts, emphasizing the importance of expertise, or giving analysts the tools they needed.
Does this sound like virturally NO reforms or challenges to intelligence???
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Posted by: bettyn on Jan 23, 2009 1:15 PM
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Talk about "HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS"! What more proof do we need? No one associated with this family should ever be allowed near any government position again.
Keep your eye on Jeb. He is surely up to something with his crooked Cuban pals in Florida. Never let this man run for any office anywhere. He's the worst of the bunch.
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Posted by: annasdad on Jan 23, 2009 3:50 PM
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"Change we want, Change we need, Change we can believe in." Slogans- not commitments.
Just another wholly owned representative of American Imperialism, corporate greed and the military economy. The color has changed, but not the philosophy. Obama will not tackle the "real" issues. He's at best a John Kerry clone. Americans don't really want change. If they did they would be voting for Kuchinich's and Huckabees not the nominees of corporate greed.
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Posted by: independent1 on Jan 25, 2009 4:14 AM
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Observation of the Republican Party shows that they do in fact follow a trail of deceit which is undermining our freedoms. But it's entirely by betraying / redefining / inverting their stated principles (like freedom for individuals, laissez fare economic policy). Any fool could have seen years ago that these two "principles" in particular had been bent to create a new class of mega-criminals: those who work "in private" free from oversight and kept from the public view.
Going back to the Enron scandal: this has been the way of it.
We all know that the original meaning of laissez fare was intended to free the "merchant class" and those who "create" factories and jobs from too-burdensome (and often draconian) government. As we have seen: no one can be trusted with that much freedom. We "lower class" individuals are not allowed the same freedoms as the super-rich. The current economic melt-down was inevitable. We are made beholden to the insanely rich corporate royals for our jobs, our very sustenance.
"Freedom" was what allowed the Arab terrorists to succeed on 9/11/01.
Even though Ayn Rand's book, "The Virtue of Selfishness" clearly stated the contrary: these Republicans have bent that ideal to their own purposes and made misuse of the notion of individual freedom part of our culture. To her credit, Ayn Rand emphasized the idea of exchanging "value for value" in economic contracts - but she was a naive little Russian immigrant who in the end abetted the rise of
the capitalist oligarchs with her simple "faith" in human honesty.
The overview is this: any ideology can be hijacked and ideologies are "best promoted" through misleading advertising (read, "propaganda").
We are guilty of forgetting something else Rand used to say: One cannot live a contradiction. When you see someone contradicting their statements and claims through their actions: you know you have a crook in your sights. We failed to see the obvious: All the yapping about freedom and the honesty of business tycoons was contradicted by Bush 43's resort to war time powers and the consistent anti-labor stance he and all Republicans adopted since the Reagan years. As of this hour, their efforts have put America under corporate control for all intents and purposes.
Has the Bush family been complicit in this? Most certainly - and that's the simple truth. There's no need for elaborate and impossible to prove "theories." By serving the super rich, they are enriched. By violating the presidential oath, Bush has ensured that he will always be wealthy and will always have Secret Service protection in addition to all the other entitlements. (Ironic that Republicans use "entitlements" as a pejorative term, eh?)
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