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Yard Sale Nation: The Change Required to Salvage U.S Society Runs Much Deeper Than Most Imagine

By James Howard Kunstler, Kunstler.com. Posted January 21, 2009.


Say goodbye to the 'consumer society.' Familiar touchstones of contemporary American life have to go. No more fast money and no more credit.

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 Barack has Obama stepped into the shoes of Lincoln, FDR, Millard Fillmore and forty other predecessors -- this time as the wished-for Mr. Fix it of a nation run into a ditch. Surely over the months of transition, someone with a clear head and a fact-laden portfolio has clued-in the new President about the reality-based state-of-the-Union -- as opposed, say, to the Las Vegas version, where Santa Clause presides over a whoredom of something-for-nothing economics, and all behaviors are equally okay, and consequence has been sliced-and-diced out of the game … where, in the immortal words of Milan Kundera, anything goes and nothing matters.

Mr. Obama deserves credit for a lot of things, but perhaps most amazingly his ability to see "hope" in a public so demoralized by their own bad choices that the USA scene has devolved to a non-stop Special Olympics of everyday life, where absolutely everybody is debilitated, deluded, challenged, or needs a leg up, or an extra buck, or a pallet on the floor, or a gastric bypass, or a week in detox, or a head-start, or a fourth strike, or a $150-billion bailout. There's a lot of raw material from sea to shining sea, admittedly, but how do you re-shape it into a population guided by a sense of earnest purpose, with reality-based expectations, with habits of delayed gratification and impulse control, and a sense of their own history? That will be quite a trick. Many of us -- myself included -- will be pulling for Barack. Maybe the power of his rhetoric and his sheer buff physical presence can whip this republic of overfed clowns into shape.

He inherits a government of superficially gleaming marble edifices -- all gloriously on view tomorrow -- but full of broken machinery within, infested with weevils, termites, and rats. The USA is functionally bankrupt. We have no money. The pixel "money" being emailed over to the insolvent banks has no basis in reality beyond the quiver in Ben Bernanke's voice as he announces each new injection. Yet all reports so far indicate that President Obama is bent on continuing the process one way or another.

Mr. Obama's first task taking stage in the lonely Oval Office should be to get right with his own credo of "change," meaning he'll have to persuade the broad American public that the "change" required to salvage this society runs much deeper, colder, and thicker than they'd imagine in their initial transports over hallelujah-Bush-is-Gone. Many of the familiar touchstones of the recent American experience have got to go.

Say goodbye to the "consumer society." We're done with that. No more fast money and no more credit. The next stop is "yard-sale nation," in which all the plastic crapola accumulated over the past fifty years is sorted out for residual value and, if still working, sold for a fraction of its original sticker price. This includes everything from Humvees to Hello Kitty charm bracelets.

It will be a very salutary thing if we stop even referring to ourselves as "consumers." This degrading moniker, used for decades unthinkingly by everyone from The New York Times Nobel Prize pundits to the Econ 101 section men of the land-grant diploma mills has been such a drag on our collective development that it has extinguished the last latent flickers of duty, obligation, and responsibility for the greater good in a republic of broken communities shattered by WalMarts.

The government will not have to do a thing to bring down the chain-stores. History and inertia is already on that case, with the easy credit racket terminated and new frictions arising over global trade, and even Peak Oil waiting to work its hoodoo behind the scrim of deceptively temporarily low pump prices. The larger question for President Obama is: how can we collectively promote the reconstruction of Main Street, including all the fine-grained layers of retail and wholesale trade. High tech "solutions" are not likely to avail in this.

In fact, techno-grandiosity and techno-triumphalism must be be sedulously monitored and guarded-against. They jointly amount to the great mass psychosis of our time and culture. This array of traps -- from proposed flying cars to "renewable" motor fuels -- is the ultimate Faustian "bargain." It will be at the heart of any campaign to sustain the unsustainable, sucking us ever more deeply into the diminishing returns of over-investments in complexity. Hence, the last thing this nation needs now is a stimulus plan aimed at the development of non-gasoline-powered automobiles -- married with extensive rehabilitation of the highway system. What I incessantly refer to as the Happy Motoring fiesta is drawing to a close as we have known it, whether we like it or not. Cars will be around for a while, of course, but as an increasingly elite activity. The owners of cars will be increasingly beset by grievance and resentment on the part of those foreclosed from the Happy Motoring life -- and it could easily degenerate to vandalism and violence, since the "right" to endless motoring was surreptitiously made an entitlement somewhere around 1957.


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JHK Hit The Nail Squarely On The Head
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 21, 2009 12:32 AM   
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I wish the author could have an hour or two to sit down with President Obama and discuss things. I think it would do us all some good.

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» Additional advice Posted by: Teller
Kuntsler : Drill Sargeant of the Ugly Reality Corps ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jan 21, 2009 1:20 AM   
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I'm not quite as pessimistic as Kuntsler but I get closer everyday ...

I have to laugh, and laugh hard, I resemble a lot of those remarks ...

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We are in a ditch
Posted by: cjwirth on Jan 21, 2009 5:27 AM   
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We are in a ditch, the 2009 global economy is worsening recession and global oil production is now declining.

With increasing costs for gasoline and diesel, along with declining taxes and declining gasoline tax revenues, states and local governments will eventually have to cut staff and curtail highway maintenance. Eventually, gasoline stations will close, and state and local highway workers won’t be able to get to work. We are facing the collapse of the highways that depend on diesel and gasoline powered trucks for bridge maintenance, culvert cleaning to avoid road washouts, snow plowing, and roadbed and surface repair. When the highways fail, so will the power grid, as highways carry the parts, large transformers, steel for pylons, and high tension cables from great distances. With the highways out, there will be no food coming from far away, and without the power grid virtually nothing modern works, including home heating, pumping of gasoline and diesel, airports, communications, and automated building systems.

Documented here:
http://www.peakoilassociates.com/POAnalysis.html
http://survivingpeakoil.blogspot.com/

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» Smells like Y2K Posted by: Evelyn
» RE: We are in a ditch Posted by: Endrael
villager
Posted by: villager1 on Jan 21, 2009 5:38 AM   
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Well said James Howard and I was beginning to think that everyone was unable to grasp the truth!

Wait up - maybe most folks are able to, but simply in denial-Obama as well do you think?

New highways for the elite few with their elite vehicles - indeed! What a waste, but then we have always been outstanding at wasting!

Funny that when you write sense, no one comments - denial again?

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Optimism is pablum
Posted by: Farasien on Jan 21, 2009 6:47 AM   
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While I like the idea that things can get better, if you have the courage to truly look at what has happened- and more importantly, the truly monumental amount of effort (and pain) that will be required to bring us to anything even close to what people like to call 'sustainability' , I think you're likely to find it an inopportune time be be hopeful. This generation, and likely, the next one are going to be lost to the hell of an imploding empire, one that redefined what it means to even be human or a good citizen (you have to shop, apparently...). If you look at history and what happens to a declining but modern civilization after a full-on collapse, it goes through a long period of chaos, decay and ultimately, a purge of violence brought on by whatever movement will replace it. If you really wanted to be prepared for what's coming, you'd damn-near have to become a survivalist. As a nation, as a world, we are all about to be forced through the meat grinder. The changes required to really make the shining future people seem to want possible are so severe they would likely cause a collapse in our civilization anyway. The author makes the assumption people are even capable of putting down the games, the beer and remote control but really, I doubt it's possible. Rome literally couldn't reform itself- it HAD to fall because its people, from the top down were addicted to the way it was run and what it ultimately came to be based on. We're in the same boat. College students these days would never dign to work in the fields like a 'common' laborer- its why most people go to school in the first place- so they don't have to. Because of paradigms like this, progress is ultimately impossible on a grand scale. As a result, we all go down together. Maybe in a few generations things will be improved, but personally, I think its too late to think about reform and time, really, to think about nothing short of raw survival.

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» they need us Posted by: truthlover
J.H.K. still a luddite, still erascible, and *sigh* still mostly on target.
Posted by: DaBear on Jan 21, 2009 11:28 AM   
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Many Americans of good will also stand ready to face reality, to roll up our sleeves, ditch the video games and the Nascar and the microwaved cheese treats, and the internet porn and all the other noxious, narcolepsy-inducing distractions of our time,

Oh come on, Kunstler! Video games, internet porn?!

You left out bicycles... that contraption you love to hate so much.

While it's a funny sentence to close out the well-spoken rant, it just confirms over and over that if I had to share a town with you, I'd sooner move to barren land. We can't all live on clogging and moonshine, James. Have some respect for diversity.... or hobbies other than your own. Have some respect for the human spirit while you're at it. Not everyone wants to be the grumbly cur you love to be, and are so very good at.

Way to slam a perfectly good piece of writing into the bridge abutment, dude.

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» LOL Posted by: gellero1
Hope?
Posted by: oregoncharles on Jan 21, 2009 11:28 AM   
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Everything Kunstler says is true, but his article should really have another page with links on our alternatives.

For instance: there is an alternative vision for suburbia, in which people grow food, not lawns, and electric mass transit serves to connect them. Yes, it requires a remarkable joint commitment to make something like this happen, but miracles like that have happened before - when driven by necessity.

For one angle on the path we need to take, look up "Permaculture." I'm a professional landscaper (not a permaculturist, though my partner is), so its vision of a new domestic landscape appeals to me.

Kunstler's reference to resettling our agricultural areas evokes family history for me: my family inherited a sizable corn-and-soybeans farm in Illinois. My grandfather was actually a pioneer in American soybean development. During my youth, the farmer on that land was removing houses. I think there were four or more on that 800 acres, now reduced to 1. Now it's time to put them back, because we have to move to types of farming that require far more personal effort and attention. The Amish, for one example, typically operate farms of 80 to 100 acres - and net as much as neighbors with 600 acres.

We may not have to be religious to adopt their model. It's easy to dismiss the idea of college graduates returning to farming, but in fact a surprising number would like to. Within the existing network of sustainable farms, there is a large traffic in apprentices, who will work for the chance to learn farming. All those people will be looking for land, but without the money to buy it at current prices. I'm not sure how to cut that Gordian knot, but if we can, our transition may be smoother than we expect. Perhaps some of that bailout money should be used to set up a "Land Bank" that helps divide our megafarms into workable parcels.

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» RE: Hope? Posted by: maglindracia
» RE: Hope? Posted by: gazooks
» RE: Hope? Posted by: purplehawk
The Abundance Around Us
Posted by: John Nicol on Jan 22, 2009 3:07 PM   
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Kunstler's essay is a perfect expression of the culture of scarcity, the unquestioned assumptions that surround us like a fog. In reality, we have a huge clearing of the fog, brought about by the total collapse of these assumptions, for they are a cover for the inordinate accumulation of wealth by a few at the expense of the many.

Americans are already by-passing the few in the development of cheap, simple hydrogen generators to retrofit the automobile. There are at least a half dozen manuals on the internet for doing this, like Gas4less, Gas4free, Water4gas, Halfwaterhalfgas, Run_a_car_on_water,etc. They turn the automobile into a hybrid with 40% to 100% greater fuel efficiency. This is a grassroots movement receiving the usual media black-out and misinformation.

It is even easier to convert a power plant or a merchant ship to 100% hydrogen than it is to convert an automobile to a hybrid. The science is so simple: Electricity is passed through water, separating the atoms, and the hydrogen gas is burned with the help of the oxygen. The by-product is water.

None of this is new. What is new is the opportunity that the collapse of the discredited exponents of scarcity has given us. We are now free to co-operate and experiment, and nothing will stop us.

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» RE: The Abundance Around Us Posted by: tony_opmoc
» RE: The Abundance Around Us Posted by: madmax427
» RE: It all depends... Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: It all depends... Posted by: solstice
new attention
Posted by: Craig Collier on Jan 23, 2009 7:06 AM   
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James, thanks for the stimulation of your intention. The art in expression of a practicing wordsmith becomes more lucid in the intensity of situation irregardless of its direction. If we can understand that we are in a quantum universe and that a particle exist in more than one area of attention, maybe that particle can also evolve in its different existencies. Surely there are many particles that thrive in sustainablility, equitable distribution and the creation of long term value. As we shift our attention to the wheel, we should also find that we are creating a better wheel.

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Pessimism luddite style?
Posted by: racetoinfinity on Jan 26, 2009 1:48 AM   
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Wow! Very pessimistic. I wish I could say that I treat this as pessimistic fiction, but I can't. I also can't say that I'm as pessimistic as he is, but give me time (I hope not.) I detect a bit of a Luddite in the author. Although I applaud his moral disgust at the trivial bread and circuses the people have been fed by the corpoto-plutocracy (although a lot of people are just at the level that this is the kind of escapism they crave), I still believe that information and emerging green and other new technologies can help us if used for the public good (first).

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Luddite?
Posted by: DR. LARRY MITCHELL on Jan 26, 2009 2:13 AM   
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There is nothing remotely Luddite in stating the fact that Americans have pissed away pure potenciality with time-wasting bullshit.

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NO! THE BAD CHOICES OF A FEW!
Posted by: D.Beltramo on Jan 26, 2009 3:50 AM   
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While I agree with the general tenor of this article, I must disagree with the concept that "Americans have made poor choices." No! Most Americans are lower-middle income, who, over the last many years have made the only choices they could in the face of a family oppressive tyrants (George H.W. and George W. Bush), short of anarchy.

Please do not lay the blame for the current "state of the nation" at the feet of hard working people. These folks were sold a bill of goods and, due to a lack of opportunity and power, had no choice! They have not profited during this time--big business has. Just look at the whole bailout--the money is going to the businesses while they continue to rape Americans through the government-approved vehicles of credit cards, student loans, etc. Government has not even considered the option of just giving the bail out money to the people! Most Americans accepted the "choices" of the last decade because they had NO OTHER CHOICE in the face of wages that failed to keep pace with a big-business fueled run away economy.

The only thing of which most Americans are guilty is fear of a little revolution. What happened to the spirit of 1776? the feminist movement? the Vietnam protesters? We have lost our nerve and failed to challenge our government, and demand honesty and accountability of our leaders. Rather than banning together to say "NO!" to the crimes of this father-son anti-christ duo, and their henchman (a/k/a big business) we have bicked among ourselves while our choices, opportunities, and spirit were slowly stolen from us!

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Just over the Horizon
Posted by: phindrup on Jan 26, 2009 4:25 AM   
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Watching from afar this situation brings a degree of amusement. That the US is broke is not news. What is really funny is that there are still those who believe that ‘the US will get out of it’. Some here in Australia I may add.

Look at your history, the brutal damage the US through the IMF has inflicted upon many countries, stripping away the very effective requirements many had in place to protect the local economy. These countries either are now, or soon will be in a position to reverse this damage by forcing out those ‘foreigners’ who followed immediately behind the forced changes, buying up real value at bargain basement prices.

What is really amusing is that so many in the US believe/imagine/pretend that other countries will come to the rescue. Why should they, or would they?

The utterly discredited US method of running an economy/financial system opens up space for more practical systems to emerge, without the destructive clout of the US to derail it. The world will change, the US will become largely irrelevant and Mexico will have a problem with US citizen wet backs coming into the country looking for work.

I simply cannot wait!

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» RE: Just over the Horizon Posted by: mtatasmith
» RE: Just over the Horizon Posted by: madmax427
» RE: Just over the Horizon Posted by: Zeugitai
A consumer society is an extinct society waiting to happen
Posted by: peacefuljeff on Jan 26, 2009 4:26 AM   
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Humanity has to learn to use resources in a sustainable manner. We need circular responsibility. We have to watch every action and it's ultimate impact on our environment. There can be no such thing as 'trash', we have to manage our resources from cultivation to use to reinstitution back into the Earth or reuse as something else, circular responsibility. No more 'trash' like plastic bags that take 1000 years to degrade back into the environment that we took it's components from. Using the earth's resources at a faster rate than which they can be replenished is planetary suicide.

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Greed is our enemy as well as ignorance
Posted by: mtatasmith on Jan 26, 2009 4:31 AM   
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I was raised under the montra - you don't buy what you can't pay for (with the exception of a house). You don't buy simply for precieved investment - jewlery, beanie babys, collectables, or real estate at the beach. My husband would constantly remind our sons that the only reason they felt they needed to buy more Pokemon cards was because "men in suits go into conference rooms and figure out ways to steal money from little boys" that surprisingly got their attention. Maybe we all need a dose of THAT!

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It's true
Posted by: brer on Jan 26, 2009 5:39 AM   
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I've been living off garage sales for over 30 years. Most of my furnishings, books, small appliances, shoes and clothing was purchased second hand. My children have somehow managed to thrive with great self confidence as service minded individuals with no debt and with enough resources to help others.

Paying one tenth of the original price in most cases has enabled us to have totally paid off our home, sent our children through college and have a nice reserve for retirement.

We aren't at all worried financially in this time of crisis.

My only concern about this article is that it will encourage millions more to shop the garage sales, giving me more competition.

OR, another concern---garage sales may dwindle, since people won't have as much junk to get rid of.

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Thank you...
Posted by: adp3d on Jan 26, 2009 6:03 AM   
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...Mister Sunshine.

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» RE: Thank you... Posted by: Zeugitai
Hey if we all starve
Posted by: DrXyzzy on Jan 26, 2009 6:23 AM   
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... we won't have to look at those flat stomach ads any more.

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» RE: Hey if we all starve Posted by: Steve Adair
Good article, but you forget one thing........
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jan 26, 2009 6:32 AM   
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I appreciate your warnings, I've said the same things myself. I don't really think most Americans are really aware of what changes to our lifestyles must occur to affect the changes we need! Agribusiness being the first that must go bye-bye, along with the massive subsidies that they receive!

I also realize the massive shift that this will take on our collective psychology! The upshots (hopefully) are: closer communities, family farmers, healthier diets, more exercise, tighter families, a healthy savings account!

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I'd Like to Know....
Posted by: FAITHCARR on Jan 26, 2009 6:47 AM   
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Just what our ruling elite thinks will actually happen to all of us. Starving? Homeless? Out of Work? What will they do with all the empty homes?

What, just WHAT, do they think will happen.
Quoting Scrooge "Are there no workhouses?"

Not that there is any evidence of concern on their part.

I'm just putting the questions out there.

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» RE: I'd Like to Know.... Posted by: Zeugitai
Harper's Magazine.......
Posted by: RickW on Jan 26, 2009 7:22 AM   
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.....says that about 60% of the jobs in America have been created by conspicuous consumption. So what happens if everyone begins repairing their own cars and toasters, and keeping them going for 20 years........?

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» You've got a point, but... Posted by: ABetterFuture
Excellent Analysis of the Scope of the Problem!
Posted by: Midwesterners on Jan 26, 2009 7:28 AM   
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Remarkably well-said, Mr. Kunstler! Kudos to you again and again!!

Few people--including Nobel Prize-winnning economists or any of the other so-called pundits--have managed TO LINK so accurately the IMPENDING demise of suburbia and agri-business with the current demise of Wall Street AND Main Street in our present-day Cheap-Plastic-WalMart-Nation!

I also agree with everyone here who writes that they wish President Obama could read Mr. Kunstler's article!

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A blind man
Posted by: solrev on Jan 26, 2009 7:46 AM   
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I don't see how America can confront the "change", that’s because you are blind. I am glad my future does not rest in your hands. Would you like to use animals to cultivate the land? You can take half of the land out of cultivation to feed your animals. Would you like to plant four rows at a time like the good old days, instead of 16 rows? The energy costs per row goes up not down. The root cause of global warming is not co2 in the atmosphere it is fossil co2 in the atmosphere. We will change that with out any help from you progressives, you are just too regressive. The problem is Obama has not confronted the problems we face with real solutions, because real solutions require change. It is written that a profit is true if their predictions come true. The day will come when we use fossil co2 to prevent an ice age. Stop looking in the past for the future. Time will tell if I am a troll or a progressive.

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Will we hold our politicians to the same standard?
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 26, 2009 7:51 AM   
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Will we fund or cut our unfunded liabilities? Will we have our Congresscritters look at the "national family" budget and make some hard, but honest and respectable choices?

Or will we continue to elect folks who represent American excess and represent us so, so very well--selling our children's future to China to pay for today.

I am honestly cynical about those prospects. We have gotten used to borrowing a few hundred billion here and a few hundred billion there on the promise that we will breed more working flesh in the future. With the various enterprises we've undertaken--everything from recent wars to our decades-treasured Ponzi schemes--we've grown too accustomed and too accepting of passing on our current and projected obligations to future generations.

Change is a nice word. In the end, though, it's just a word. I fear folks will go hungry en masse before significant change comes; people want stuff, whether that's the newest gadget, the latest craze in government spending, or that house (turned debtors prison) on a hill at 15% interest, and they want it now.

No, appetites only change as the food becomes scarce, in general. Go prove me wrong, please.

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» I too hope to be proven wrong! Posted by: Midwesterners
We need to Think About this
Posted by: Afreind on Jan 26, 2009 8:10 AM   
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Our toys will be lost. But we we Will survive.I grew up in the 50's. I remember the day when everyone except Emergency Personal, Radio & TV employees had Sunday's and legal holidays off. You could actually forget about your problems at work, and Communicate with members of your Family. Believe it or not we were all quite happy with our Life.

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Local Economy instead of Global
Posted by: Shankari46 on Jan 26, 2009 9:04 AM   
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With the Baltic Dry Index collapsing we may have to begin a local economy instead of a global one. Wal-Mart will be destroyed by such a happening which would be good. The monopolies never help anyone. Local farming, local electric mass transit, local cottage industries would be good and necessary.

My hope is that this economic collapse will cause Americans to see that war is no longer an option, and we have no money or need to police the world. The defense industry is just a bunch of corrupt criminals milking the federal government for waste than cannot be used except for destruction.

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A Nation of Hunter-Gatherers
Posted by: jimswanson on Jan 26, 2009 9:07 AM   
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Jim Swanson, Los Altos, CA
“The Bush League of Nations”
www.bushleagueofnations.com

Al Franken famously noted in early 2004 (in response to Bush’s State of the Union Address) that if, “the Bushes had run this country from its very beginning to the current time, not one American would have ever worked. We’d be hunter-gatherers.”

You have to go back to Republican Herbert Hoover and the start of the GOP Great Depression I of the 1930s to find a job creation—well, job destruction—record as bad as that of the modern GOP.

Hoover was well named. Like a Hoover vacuum cleaner, he sucked up and destroyed millions of American jobs.

The Bushes are also well named. Millions of unemployed workers are unsuccessfully beating the bushes to find good jobs, or even rotten jobs, or even two rotten jobs each.

Talking with a divorced mother of three in Omaha on February 4, 2005, Bush quipped, “You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn’t it? I mean, that is fantastic that you’re doing that. Get any sleep?”

You can find this and much more in "The Bush League of Nations: The Coalition of the Unwilling, the Bullied and the Bribed – the GOP’s War on Iraq and America," by James A. Swanson (2008, CreateSpace Publishing, 448 pages).

You can now download the entire book for free at www.bushleagueofnations.com.

I ask for nothing in return, except that you consider using it as a resource to help restore and build America.

Jim Swanson, Los Altos, CA
“The Bush League of Nations”
www.bushleagueofnations.com [for FREE download of entire book]

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Skills people Skills, don't forget your Skills
Posted by: marizara on Jan 26, 2009 9:26 AM   
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We ALL know how to DO or MAKE something. -- Get out those skills, or your grandmother's skills, dust them off, and start using them. -- The direction this is going in, we will ALL need basic survival-in-hard-times skills before too long. -- Sharpen them up, and be ready. -- Worst thing to do is just sit there and panic. -- If you let FEAR run your life, then FEAR will run your life. -- Got it?

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Oh please
Posted by: jsiegel on Jan 26, 2009 9:26 AM   
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This kind of doom and gloom reporting is, really completely worthless. It does nothing to advance our society and only creates more gist for the regressive politics of the Religious Right. If evreything that this article discusses happens, then Mr. Kunstler will be out of a job as no one will have a computer or a network connection to access the supposed internet. Or, if everyone decides to fix there own car, then they will need to go to the local parts store, which will create more business, etc. Get a life.

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Waldmmeister
Posted by: Nasookin on Jan 26, 2009 11:23 AM   
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Congress can find plenty of money to fight useless wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere (at a cost of 615 billion$ for fiscal 2009), interfere with the internal affairs of Latin American nations and other countries, subsidize Israel's bloody aggrandizement at the expense of Palestinian Arabs (to the tune of 3 billion$ annually), bribe Egypt to keep off Israel's case (to the tune of 2 billion$ annually) and maintain over 700 military bases world wide but can't save American home owners from the great banking ponzi. Why big industry likes continuous war - no refunds on expended munitions and destroyed materials and big payouts to rip off contractors like KBR - just keep spending and wasting taxpayers' dollars to keep the killing and society busting machines going.

The mega bucks that Congress voted to bail out the banksters at the same time they voted for the 615 billions for war - should have gone to main street. The CEO's should have had their accounts frozen, subjected to a forensic audit and the proceeds turned over to the homeless and otherwise poorest of U.S. citizens who would spend it and stimulate the economy.
The Bushite NeoCons were never about America - they sucked the money up only for themselves - the vacuum cleaner economy known as "free market" and "free enterprise" - the freedom to enter your wallet and extract their price.

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Too many, too much
Posted by: willymack on Jan 26, 2009 11:32 AM   
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Too many people worldwide, including here.
Too many piggy deals in washington.
Too many worthless baubles and bangles.
Too many powerful ignoramuses ruining the Earth.
Too much talk about "change", with no ACTION.
Too much phony baloney in the press.
Too much pollution with no end in sight.
Too much hate, intolerence, and bigotry.

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Postmodern and integral living
Posted by: racetoinfinity on Jan 26, 2009 11:56 AM   
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I will say this: Most of the ideas about organic, post-consumerist, post-corporate, ecologically informed and guided neo-cooperative (anti-isolating suburbia) pluralistic within larger transcendent Unity (Integrally pluralistic) living were brewing and developing in the seventies, having been born in the late fifties and sixties by visonaires, then made a (small) mass movement by hippies and new age thinkers, but this was one of the dreaded changes to the reactionaries, who have worked very hard since 1980, installing Reagan and rolling back and stifling as much change of consciousness (and action) from the sixties, and also the thirties (The New Deal). Witness the "success" of Rove, Norquist et al: The devastation of the American economy and the infantilism and co-optation of its culture. (Another [smaller] part of the blame is with academics on the left who have practiced relativistic pluralism, which wrongly declares that all levels of development are equal.)

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» addendum Posted by: racetoinfinity
» RE: addendum Posted by: Basenjis
Author gets it right
Posted by: jaylindberg@hotmail.com on Jan 26, 2009 12:03 PM   
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Being a rogue systems analyst, (meaning it looks like I was right) this author is assessing our future correctly. Suburbia is dying, and it will die a slow painful death. It will probably take the Federal government with it.

The one ray of hope that I do see however, seems to be portrayed as this author's worst nightmare, industrial nationalism. I simply see no other economic and political model that has any possible long term chance of success.

Of course, tens of millions will die in the transition but that is going to happen anyway.

Being in the renewable energy industry, I realize we must build the components for this industry domestically and we must create an economy that is not dependent on foreign oil, or for that matter, fossil fuels themselves. This economy will be far smaller than the artificially created one that is collapsing now but it will at least be legitimate, I hope.

The new world order is getting what it deserves with both barrels and in the end many of its supporters will be dangling from a hemp rope. When the carnage is over and we have washed the blood from our hands, then we can build a strong vibrant domestic economy, that meets the needs of a much smaller population.

Sincerely, Jay Lindberg jaylindberg@hotmail.com

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» You too hit the nail on the head! Posted by: Midwesterners
Obama and Kunstler libel American workers
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jan 26, 2009 2:55 PM   
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The author, James Howard Kunstler, writes, "...Mr. Obama deserves credit for a lot of things, but perhaps most amazingly his ability to see 'hope' in a public so demoralized by their own bad choices..."

The author's attempt to place the blame for the failure of American capitalism on the American people is nothing less than libel, which, in my opinion, is nothing more than a veiled attempt to obfuscate the identity's of those individuals who are primarily responsible for the unfolding catastrophe and justify even deeper attacks on working class America.

The American people do not bear any responsibility for the collapse of the financial system and the resulting recession. On the contrary, Americans have no control over the policies and actions of the multimillionaires and billionaires who control the nations' financial centers.

Working Americans are the victims of a financial elite whose greed and criminality knows no limit. As Robert Reich pointed out, working class and middle class families tried numerous "coping mechanisms" over the course of the last four decades to get by on stagnating or declining incomes. The first "coping mechanism" was "moving more women into work." A second was working longer.

Adding insult to injury, Barack Obama, in his inaugural speech said, "...Our economy is badly weakened, a consequence of greed and irresponsibility on the part of some, but also our collective failure to make hard choices and prepare the nation for a new age."

Thus, Mr. Obama is just as guilty of libel against American working people as Kunstler. To listen to Mr. Obama speak, one would think that the American people have been living the good life. The reality, on the other hand, is that for the last 37 years Americans have watched their living standards fall by 40% while ever increasing amounts of the nation's wealth are funneled into the bank account's of the financial aristocracy.

The entire economic and political system must be brought to justice; the fortunes accumulated by fraud and swindling must be seized and the wealth stolen from the American people recovered.

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YOU ARE DAMN RIGHT!
Posted by: cori on Jan 26, 2009 4:03 PM   
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First we outsource all of our industy and jobs, give Americans crap wages with no job security and no safety nets as we are being robbed and nickled and dimed to death and now they expect us to go out and spend! I hope the corporations rot in hell. We are not spending until we get the same safety nets and the Europeans enjoy. Our colleges are robbing us blind while students can go to college for very little or free overseas! And as David Walker the govts general acct screamed and yelled that we were headed for a disaster our pathetic reps did nothing!!! And we are still spending 2 billion per day in Iraq and they probably gave that 2 trillion to the military. I don't see Boeing or Raytheon going under. I will only buy a used car and learn to live on less. Screw the SOB's who screwed us and are doing business as usual even now as we are all sinking. Our prison system, the biggest on the planet is also sucking our economy dry, prying on the poor as they spend billions of unaccountble dollars. And we thought welfare was expense and a rip off. Try $40 per yr per inmate x millions. just imagine what could be done if we rehabed many of these people instead of destroying theeir lives for profit. Our govt is starving the states while suppoting 700 bases and 2 wars. We will never win the hearts and minds of people by killing their sons and daughters!

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YOU ARE DAMN RIGHT!
Posted by: cori on Jan 26, 2009 4:13 PM   
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First we outsource all of our industy and jobs, give Americans crap wages with no job security and no safety nets as we are being robbed and nickled and dimed to death and now they expect us to go out and spend! I hope the corporations rot in hell. We are not spending until we get the same safety nets as the Europeans enjoy. Our colleges are robbing us blind while students can go to college for very little or free overseas! And as David Walker the govts general acct screamed and yelled that we were headed for a disaster our pathetic reps did nothing!!! And we are still spending 2 billion per day in Iraq and they probably gave that 2 trillion to the military. I don't see Boeing or Raytheon going under. I will only buy a used car and learn to live on less. Screw the SOB's who screwed us and are doing business as usual even now as we are all sinking. Our prison system, the biggest on the planet is also sucking our economy dry, prying on the poor as they spend billions of unaccountble dollars. And we thought welfare was expense and a rip off. Try $40,000 per yr per inmate x millions. just imagine what could be done if we rehabed many of these people instead of destroying their lives for profit. Our govt is starving the states while suppoting 700 bases and 2 wars. We will never win the hearts and minds of people by killing their sons and daughters!

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Working Americans are.......
Posted by: gellero1 on Jan 26, 2009 6:09 PM   
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Victims of the Democratic Party / Republican Party...............but they, like AlterNeters...............fail to see it.

The DEMOCRATS brought you outsourcing, NAFTA, and illegal 'slave labor' immigrants. The Boo-Hoo Black Caucus and the Dems were the force behind the subprime imbroglio. "houses for all".....even if the ability to pay wasn't there. Gets a lot of votes. Do you know how many times your Rep or Senator has flown in a private jet??? Ask them sometime....they love the elite, and suck up to them...not you.The Republicans were always for protectionism,but when the handwriting was on the wall, they just followed the leader.

The true fault lies with the 'progressives' who believe everyone from Third World Hellholes has a right to dip in to the American dole, who fail to see the corrupt manipulations of the Democratic Party elite, who believe that wealth can be produced by slogans like 'hope' and 'change'.

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» RE: Working Americans are....... Posted by: wrinklemomma
This article was a totally confused hodge podge of superficialities posing as great wisdom
Posted by: logansafi on Jan 26, 2009 9:10 PM   
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Yes, we are killing Nature and Agreed. But the assumptions often times by this author often times totally missed the boat.

Example..

'Maybe the power of his rhetoric (Barack's) and his sheer buff physical presence can whip this republic of overfed clowns into shape.'

What? First of all Barack is a smoker and has hardly any 'sheer buff physical presence'. His ears stick out and he kind of looks like a clown, too, but admittedly not as much so as Dubya so following that clown he looks like genius to the author.

And why is this writer calling America's population 'overfed clowns'? This reminds me of when the Republican top rats got into it behind Newt Gingrich making fun of the poor in America for being fat. What stupidity.

I could go on but this author's presumptuous assumptions just left me fed up with him, never mind that occasionally he scored some points. He want's America on a diet so that we can all be more 'buff'. Oh whoopee!

What a Puritan know it all the guy is! This type of aggressive onslaught will convince nobody that the current capitalism is a bad thing, which it is. All they will see is a total schmuck.

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if only...
Posted by: richholland on Jan 27, 2009 1:53 AM   
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living in Cambodia for the last three monthes I see daily the american capitalistic model pushed into the poor society by teachers and NGO.

last week I returned in Amsterdam and my friend Ronald returned from Mozambique....the same the same ...
the people have nothing and they are pushed to embrace Jesus and mobile telephones and of course Hummers...
If only the american people would use their energy to change their own society...

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lrb945
Posted by: lrb945 on Jan 27, 2009 8:07 AM   
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YES!!! i thought that i was alone in despising the "consumer" label we have all had super-glued to us. i have felt positively bovine, doomed to graze forever in the giant halls of cheap crap....

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"Producers" a better mindset than "Consumers"
Posted by: StevenEMayer@justphilanthropy.org on Jan 27, 2009 8:12 AM   
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Not only must we not think of ourselves as "consumers" we must start thinking of ourselves -- individually and collectively -- as "producers." Our value to others is more connected to what we offer than what we take. Thinking what we have to offer is helpful in the job market, the philanthropy market, the love market, etc.

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garage sales without gas?
Posted by: littlepitcher on Jan 27, 2009 11:12 AM   
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As foreign competition elevates gas prices again, and recession pink-slips more workers, it is doubtful that garage sales will thrive. Workers will take to the road, a la Dust Bowl days, in search of jobs. We eventually may have urban "trade days" nationwide, similar to those of Ft. Payne, AL and the downtowns impacted by the World's Longest Yard Sale.
As someone who has chuckled at hair-pulling faddists brawling over Furbys and paying megabucks for limited-issue dustcatchers, I'm delighted to see the brainless bourgeoisie brought to their knees. Recycling these tchotchkes into their natural resources may create a few jobs, but the sad truth is that raw resources from other nations created the last half-century's bubbles and booms, and now these nations want a piece of the action, at a time when we have no surplus money for their toys.

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entitlements
Posted by: pawheel on Jan 27, 2009 11:19 AM   
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PLEASE stop calling the over $100,000 I have personally put into the Social Security system an ENTITLEMENT! I worked for that money, I was FORCED to put it into the S.S. system, it left my check before I got hold of it. It's not my fault that they spent it to help hide the debt. I will be expecting MY money back when I finally retire, and GOD HELP the thieves in Washington if it isn't there...

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Slicing up the status quo
Posted by: Lawrence Walker on Jan 27, 2009 4:59 PM   
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Kuntsler writes with a sharp knife, and he seems as edgy as ever. I, too, am a big picture thinker. Kunster is not prone to politics as the art of the possible. Un-Obama-like, he is much more curmudgeonly than that, and we leave this article feeling, perhaps rightly, that not much improvement is possible.

Three points:

1. This seems to be a rule of nature: as long as the human population is increasing, nothing is sustainable.

2. I, for one, gauge my hopes on the future based on the size and health of the world's wilderness areas. Things do not look good.

And 3. A report has just been released, just a few days after this article appeared, which says new studies suggest that it is likely global warming will not be reversible for at least 1000 years.

Them's hard times, indeed, and that is the big picture, based on our new best estimates.

Tread lightly, LawrenceWalker

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