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Why Did Congress Shamelessly Pander to Israel?
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Last week, soon after the Red Cross and other humanitarian groups condemned Israel for blocking deliveries of vital aid for wounded civilians in Gaza, and with the Palestinian death toll at 700, the U.S. House and Senate passed resolutions that not only blamed Palestinians for the bloodbath, but praised Israel for its conduct of the assault.
The House resolution, co-sponsored by Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., commends Israel for bringing "humanitarian aid to Gaza with hundreds of trucks carrying humanitarian assistance and numerous ambulances entering the Gaza Strip since the current round of fighting began."
Minority Leader Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., who co-sponsored the Senate resolution with Majority Leader Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., stated before the vote, "The Israelis ... are responding exactly the same way we would." Reid added: "When we pass this resolution, the United States Senate will strengthen our historic bond with the state of Israel … "
In a recent article on AlterNet titled, "Virtually the Entire Dem-Controlled Congress Supports Israel's War Crimes in Gaza," Stephen Zunes, chairman of the Middle Eastern studies department at the University of San Francisco, argued that the resolutions not only fly in the face of international law, but undermine core humanitarian principles established as far back as the Magna Carta.
Zunes writes that nothing Hamas has or has not done would "absolve Israel of its responsibility under international humanitarian law for the far greater civilian deaths its armed forces have inflicted upon the Palestinians in Gaza. Indeed, it has long been a principle of Western jurisprudence that someone who is the proximate cause of a crime cannot claim innocence simply because of the influence of another party."
Zunes also calls out progressives for demonizing American Israel Public Affairs Committee and Republicans, while letting Democrats off the hook -- after all, the resolutions were co-sponsored by Reid and Pelosi -- and points out that until otherwise-liberal politicians are held accountable for supporting Israeli militarism, the United States will continue to pursue policies at odds with international law and commonly accepted principles of human rights.
In response to the article, AlterNet readers voiced some strong opinions about our government's unqualified support for the Israeli war on Gaza.
Dr. Brian marvels at unprincipled stances taken by U.S. politicians:
I've treated the injured under fire and been arrested and nearly executed for it. So when I see my colleagues in Palestine, both expats and Palestinian, working around the clock and in danger to save lives, while Israel uses U.S. weaponry to extinguish lives, I marvel at the diametric opposition of ethical principles.
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Our government tells us its objective is to eliminate terrorism, but who can doubt that the carnage in Gaza juxtaposed with its gleeful endorsement by our government will swell the ranks of angry young men seeking revenge?
Alex Lawyer agrees, pointing out that the unequivocal and vocal support American politicians give Israel is not only unethical, but plays to the advantage of so-called terrorist groups:
Our Congress has endorsed the rule of law: the law of the jungle, red in tooth and claw. As the Athenians told the Melians, "The strong do what they will, and the weak endure what they must."
This isn't new. Both the U.S. and Israel have long been scofflaws and hypocrites. A look at human rights treaties reveals that they are usually in the company of regimes they otherwise deplore.
Al-Qaida, Hezbollah, Jaamat Islamia and Hamas must be absolutely giddy at the public relations and recruiting coup we have handed them.
But James Allen argues that in condemning the atrocities in Gaza, many liberals go too far in the other direction and wrongly exonerate Hamas.
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Posted by: Don Quixote on Jan 17, 2009 2:44 AM
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» Which was first? The illegal settlemets or the rockets???
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» Which came first?
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» Geneva Convention art. 49 says all? Hoe low can the US fall?
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» Who Said Congress Shamelessly Pander to Israel? Congress Just Agreed To What Is Right!
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Jan 17, 2009 3:45 AM
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Zunes also calls out progressives for demonizing American Israel Public Affairs Committee and Republicans, while letting Democrats off the hook -- after all, the resolutions were co-sponsored by Reid and Pelosi -- and points out that until otherwise-liberal politicians are held accountable for supporting Israeli militarism, the United States will continue to pursue policies at odds with international law and commonly accepted principles of human rights.
He is mistaken, progressives do complain about liberals like Pelosi and Reid, we just aren't being listened to. This confusion is common but unnecessary between these two terms, this issue totally divides progressives and liberals. To still be 'confused' gets suspicious at some point.
Progressives do not tolerate war, liberals embrace it, Hillary Clinton is a good example of a liberal. So is John Kerry. I am a progressive. Liberals look like progressives because they are often picking up progressive ideas and do share a lot of values with them. Or try to look like it.
They are hardly the same thing and this issue divides them quite neatly.
Great article, BTW, nice editing to pluck out the best bits and put them together so well. I really enjoyed reading it and was very impressed. The message is getting distinct.
I turned on MSNBC this morning to see if there was news about this holocaust. Nada. They are interviewing every passenger of the safely landed plane crash and presenting it as a miracle instead of pilot skill and good luck.
I wish the cable news stations would pay attention to Gaza and the anti-miracle they have supported happening over there. To not mention it is to tacitly support the carnage, of course we know they actively support it. Sick.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jan 17, 2009 5:02 AM
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Since Dumbass set boots down in Afghanistan I have feared our troops would be sitting ducks for M.E. countries who have dreamed of such an opportunity to kill americans, at very little risk or cost to themselves.
this unconditional support of the Israeli Gov't has cost US Blood and treasure for far too long. The Israeli Gov't has had no regard for what their actions Cost US."Heckova" Friend!
I suggest Our Politicians Remember WHICH Flag they Pledged their allegience too, WHICH country they took an Oath to Protect and Defend.
I have no Issue with thejewish community, but I do take issue with Mass Murders and tyrannts.
The M.E. conflict will never be resolved Until the US stops being Israelis' "Ace in the Hole"
How many Decades, Centuries, Millenia does it take before the 'players' in this Operatic murder Suicide realize violence solves nothing except to further the Blood bath of Innocents and re enforce the claims of their opponents to increase recruitment?
this 'Caine & Able' BS has been going on long before we were ever conceived, We have no 'dog' in this psychotic fight.
If the US is attacked again it will not be because Dems are'soft on Terror' it will be caused by the faiilure of those who have refused to honor their oath to THIS country, above & beyond ALL others.
To continue to support Israel in this genocide, is not only the proof of Our 'leaders' Moral Failings, it is Treason.
I fwe are attacked again, I will not be pointing my finger at the 'terrorists', I will be pointing my finger (and demanding prosecution) of those who allowed it to happen due to their Allegience to another country's disregard for Human life. Hitler would not made it as far as he did, if Mussolini had not been a 'Friend'.
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Posted by: weathered on Jan 17, 2009 5:08 AM
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6 months after 9/11 envelopes of anthrax were in the offices of Congress, a little death, a little disclaimer and a MSM monster that skips over the crimes and moves on to Brittney Spears.
Hyperbole? I don't think so. Dismantle AIPAC.
Put Judy Miller & the NY times on trial or see violence not on the streets but at the Country Clubs, the gyms in Santa Monica.
This very bad and again it Never had to get like this
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Posted by: BiscuitBoy on Jan 17, 2009 5:09 AM
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Posted by: otto on Jan 17, 2009 5:21 AM
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Jan 17, 2009 6:13 AM
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Posted by: iris89 on Jan 17, 2009 7:00 AM
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Wars should be eliminated and at present one religion is responsible for over 90% of the violence on earth as pointed out by an Australian newspaper as follows:
"Did you know that 90-95% of the conflicts in the world today are Muslims fighting non-muslims or each other? " [source - The Weekend Australian, November 26-27, 2005 AD]"
As one commenter in the article said, “I continue to be astounded by "liberals" who treat bomb and rocket attacks against Israelis as justice, while condemning Israeli retaliation. There were 2,117 deaths at Pearl Harbor; to accept the peculiar calculus of anti-Israelites, U.S. was morally bound to terminate its war against Japan after the first 2,117 deaths.”
Since it is just stupid reasoning. The “liberals” are overlooking reality; to wit, that their obvious central premise is irrational and simply obfuscating; to wit, their obvious concept of "proportion" is totally amiss, and does not compare the intolerable harassment of missiles coming in, endlessly, with the very temporary Palestinian burden of a counter-insurgency war that will have a clearly marked end.
As I told one group, Islamic Tube”
There are many people needing aid in the world today, especially the poor indian children in Guatemala and the poor Africans in Durfar, but the people in Gaza brought the problem on themselves by launching rockets at their neighbor instead of being neighborly and showing neighbor love as we all should per Matthew 5:43-45, "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." (Authorized King James Bible; AV). What you are asking is not reasonable as it is like being asked to help a man or keeps hitting his head into a concrete wall - he and the Gazans are totally responsible for their own missery, now let them accept that responsibility and send aid to those who need it and ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR CONDITION.
It is just foolish to give aid to those who spend their funds on weapons instead of food.
Iris89
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Posted by: faceinthecrowd on Jan 17, 2009 7:57 AM
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Posted by: MeyravLevine on Jan 17, 2009 9:34 AM
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US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was left shame-faced after President George W. Bush ordered her to abstain in a key UN vote on the Gaza war, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said on Monday.
"She was left shamed. A resolution that she prepared and arranged, and in the end she did not vote in favour," Olmert said in a speech in the southern town of Ashkelon
“Early Friday morning the secretary of state was considering bringing the cease-fire resolution to a UNSC vote and we didn’t want her to vote for it,” Olmert said. “I said ‘get President Bush on the phone.’ They tried and told me he was in the middle of a lecture in Philadelphia. I said ‘I’m not interested, I need to speak to him now.’ He got down from the podium, went out and took the phone call.”
Consider the defeat of Georgia's Cynthia McKinney and Alabama's Earl Hilliard in democratic primaries after they refused to tow Tel Aviv's line, in 2002.
Georgia's Cynthia McKinney and Alabama's Earl Hilliard found themselves heavily outspent and ultimately unseated by otherwise puny challengers in Democratic primary contests. AIPAC bragged of its ability to shut down independent-minded Black politicians who fail to understand that U.S.
Paul Findley, a former Congressman, blames the Israeli lobby for contributing to his defeat in 1982. "In seeking gains for Israel, they rigorously stifled dissent and intimidated the entire Congress. They still do. They defeat legislators who criticize Israel. Senators Adlai Stevenson III and Charles H. Percy, and Representatives Pete McCloskey, Cynthia McKinney, Earl F. Hilliard, and myself were defeated at the polls by candidates heavily financed by pro-Israel forces. McKinney alone was able to regain her seat in Congress." (McKinney lost her seat again two years later.)
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Posted by: GUY FOX on Jan 17, 2009 10:02 AM
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Behold! Listen to the propagan-duh palaver of right-$winging pundits on talk $hit radio... and/or the Jeeeeeeeeezass tell-lie-vision preachers. According to these traitors of American constitutional precepts... it is the patriotic duty of every fat ass Amerikan consumer citizen to support the bigoted, ethno-racist apartheid policies of the criminal Zionist theorazy in Israel. Yessss! Israel FIRST! Amerika $ECOND!
The Zionist demons in Israel are using Amerikan made jets and bombs to commit savage butchery, carnage and genocide against Palestinians in the Warsaw ghetto of Gaza. This begs for a karma, a terifying collective karma that is screaming and screaming for the
EVAPORTION OF NEW YORK CITY!
Where there is no insight, the people perish!
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Posted by: Archie1954 on Jan 17, 2009 11:34 AM
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» Good question
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» RE: Israel and the US do NOT have a parasitic relationship. The US/Saudi relationship is parasitic!!
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Posted by: Mae-121 on Jan 17, 2009 12:29 PM
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http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/528.html
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Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Jan 17, 2009 9:02 PM
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» RE: None of this would be going on if Ralph Nader had been president for the last 8 years.
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Posted by: chance garden on Jan 17, 2009 11:04 PM
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I suppose that it depends on how these groups behave in response to israel's action in gaza and elsewhere.
What are the possible responses to the recent events?
1) ceasefire
2) de-escalation
3) escalation
4) resolution
What are the likely future senarios?
What do the palestinians do now and with whom?
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jan 18, 2009 3:24 AM
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It's The Israeli Effect--unnerving proof that our government has been gelded by a foreign power.
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Posted by: brianct on Jan 18, 2009 8:03 PM
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Posted by: mattwoolery on Jan 19, 2009 8:50 AM
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Posted by: edgar1 on Jan 23, 2009 12:49 PM
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Historic day indeed. First Jew elected to the White House.
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Posted by: iris89 on Jan 26, 2009 4:07 PM
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Many uninformed ones and/or ones that do NOT want to know the truth have:
[1] Been calling me names and making false accusations about me.
[2] Telling outright untruths about factual matters to favor those in the WRONG, the Gazans
[3] Have been telling me I do not know what I am speaking about – however, I know the subject of WRONGLY occupied land better for sure than any other poster.
[4] Most have failed to be objective and to call a ‘spade a spade’ and be honest.
Well I have just concluded an exhaustive study of occupied lands with major emphasis on Palestine along with a historical narrative covering about 3,500 years from 1,500 BCE to present and am presenting it in a clear honest and balanced way [[which I can do better than others as I am neither a Gazan, Zionist, Hebrew, Jew or anyone else with a stake in the outcome that blinds them to the truth. I am an Ishmaelite who pulls no punches with respect telling the truth]].
Now to read my analytic report,
[go to] Who Are The Wrongful Occupiers In Palestine? A Short Look At History:
Which can be found at,
http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/
An Educational Referral Forum under the sub-heading, WELCOME AND ANOUNCEMENT :: LAND TITLE SUMMARY
Also, I am throwing out a challenge to one and all -- I defy anyone to show even one error in the facts, the reality per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV) I am presenting.
Anyone wishing more information and/or to discuss can PM me on the above forum.
Iris89
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Posted by: iris89 on Jan 26, 2009 4:07 PM
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Many uninformed ones and/or ones that do NOT want to know the truth have:
[1] Been calling me names and making false accusations about me.
[2] Telling outright untruths about factual matters to favor those in the WRONG, the Gazans
[3] Have been telling me I do not know what I am speaking about – however, I know the subject of WRONGLY occupied land better for sure than any other poster.
[4] Most have failed to be objective and to call a ‘spade a spade’ and be honest.
Well I have just concluded an exhaustive study of occupied lands with major emphasis on Palestine along with a historical narrative covering about 3,500 years from 1,500 BCE to present and am presenting it in a clear honest and balanced way [[which I can do better than others as I am neither a Gazan, Zionist, Hebrew, Jew or anyone else with a stake in the outcome that blinds them to the truth. I am an Ishmaelite who pulls no punches with respect telling the truth]].
Now to read my analytic report,
[go to] Who Are The Wrongful Occupiers In Palestine? A Short Look At History:
Which can be found at,
http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/
An Educational Referral Forum under the sub-heading, WELCOME AND ANOUNCEMENT :: LAND TITLE SUMMARY
Also, I am throwing out a challenge to one and all -- I defy anyone to show even one error in the facts, the reality per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV) I am presenting.
Anyone wishing more information and/or to discuss can PM me on the above forum.
Iris89
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Posted by: iris89 on Jan 26, 2009 4:28 PM
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Many uninformed ones and/or ones that do NOT want to know the truth have:
[1] Been calling me names and making false accusations about me.
[2] Telling outright untruths about factual matters to favor those in the WRONG, the Gazans
[3] Have been telling me I do not know what I am speaking about – however, I know the subject of WRONGLY occupied land better for sure than any other poster.
[4] Most have failed to be objective and to call a ‘spade a spade’ and be honest.
Well I have just concluded an exhaustive study of occupied lands with major emphasis on Palestine along with a historical narrative covering about 3,500 years from 1,500 BCE to present and am presenting it in a clear honest and balanced way [[which I can do better than others as I am neither a Gazan, Zionist, Hebrew, Jew or anyone else with a stake in the outcome that blinds them to the truth. I am an Ishmaelite who pulls no punches with respect telling the truth]].
Now to read my analytic report,
[go to] Who Are The Wrongful Occupiers In Palestine? A Short Look At History:
Which can be found at,
http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/
An Educational Referral Forum under the sub-heading, WELCOME AND ANOUNCEMENT :: LAND TITLE SUMMARY
Also, I am throwing out a challenge to one and all -- I defy anyone to show even one error in the facts, the reality per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV) I am presenting.
Anyone wishing more information and/or to discuss can PM me on the above forum.
Iris89
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Posted by: Don Quixote on Jan 17, 2009 2:44 AM
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» Which was first? The illegal settlemets or the rockets???
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» Which came first?
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» RE: Which came first?
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» RE: Don Quixote
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» Geneva Convention art. 49 says all? Hoe low can the US fall?
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» Who Said Congress Shamelessly Pander to Israel? Congress Just Agreed To What Is Right!
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Jan 17, 2009 3:45 AM
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Zunes also calls out progressives for demonizing American Israel Public Affairs Committee and Republicans, while letting Democrats off the hook -- after all, the resolutions were co-sponsored by Reid and Pelosi -- and points out that until otherwise-liberal politicians are held accountable for supporting Israeli militarism, the United States will continue to pursue policies at odds with international law and commonly accepted principles of human rights.
He is mistaken, progressives do complain about liberals like Pelosi and Reid, we just aren't being listened to. This confusion is common but unnecessary between these two terms, this issue totally divides progressives and liberals. To still be 'confused' gets suspicious at some point.
Progressives do not tolerate war, liberals embrace it, Hillary Clinton is a good example of a liberal. So is John Kerry. I am a progressive. Liberals look like progressives because they are often picking up progressive ideas and do share a lot of values with them. Or try to look like it.
They are hardly the same thing and this issue divides them quite neatly.
Great article, BTW, nice editing to pluck out the best bits and put them together so well. I really enjoyed reading it and was very impressed. The message is getting distinct.
I turned on MSNBC this morning to see if there was news about this holocaust. Nada. They are interviewing every passenger of the safely landed plane crash and presenting it as a miracle instead of pilot skill and good luck.
I wish the cable news stations would pay attention to Gaza and the anti-miracle they have supported happening over there. To not mention it is to tacitly support the carnage, of course we know they actively support it. Sick.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jan 17, 2009 5:02 AM
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Since Dumbass set boots down in Afghanistan I have feared our troops would be sitting ducks for M.E. countries who have dreamed of such an opportunity to kill americans, at very little risk or cost to themselves.
this unconditional support of the Israeli Gov't has cost US Blood and treasure for far too long. The Israeli Gov't has had no regard for what their actions Cost US."Heckova" Friend!
I suggest Our Politicians Remember WHICH Flag they Pledged their allegience too, WHICH country they took an Oath to Protect and Defend.
I have no Issue with thejewish community, but I do take issue with Mass Murders and tyrannts.
The M.E. conflict will never be resolved Until the US stops being Israelis' "Ace in the Hole"
How many Decades, Centuries, Millenia does it take before the 'players' in this Operatic murder Suicide realize violence solves nothing except to further the Blood bath of Innocents and re enforce the claims of their opponents to increase recruitment?
this 'Caine & Able' BS has been going on long before we were ever conceived, We have no 'dog' in this psychotic fight.
If the US is attacked again it will not be because Dems are'soft on Terror' it will be caused by the faiilure of those who have refused to honor their oath to THIS country, above & beyond ALL others.
To continue to support Israel in this genocide, is not only the proof of Our 'leaders' Moral Failings, it is Treason.
I fwe are attacked again, I will not be pointing my finger at the 'terrorists', I will be pointing my finger (and demanding prosecution) of those who allowed it to happen due to their Allegience to another country's disregard for Human life. Hitler would not made it as far as he did, if Mussolini had not been a 'Friend'.
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Posted by: weathered on Jan 17, 2009 5:08 AM
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6 months after 9/11 envelopes of anthrax were in the offices of Congress, a little death, a little disclaimer and a MSM monster that skips over the crimes and moves on to Brittney Spears.
Hyperbole? I don't think so. Dismantle AIPAC.
Put Judy Miller & the NY times on trial or see violence not on the streets but at the Country Clubs, the gyms in Santa Monica.
This very bad and again it Never had to get like this
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» RE: Anthrax was a really good warning, mother nature teaching us a lesson. Did we learn anything?
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Posted by: otto on Jan 17, 2009 5:21 AM
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Jan 17, 2009 6:13 AM
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Posted by: iris89 on Jan 17, 2009 7:00 AM
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Wars should be eliminated and at present one religion is responsible for over 90% of the violence on earth as pointed out by an Australian newspaper as follows:
"Did you know that 90-95% of the conflicts in the world today are Muslims fighting non-muslims or each other? " [source - The Weekend Australian, November 26-27, 2005 AD]"
As one commenter in the article said, “I continue to be astounded by "liberals" who treat bomb and rocket attacks against Israelis as justice, while condemning Israeli retaliation. There were 2,117 deaths at Pearl Harbor; to accept the peculiar calculus of anti-Israelites, U.S. was morally bound to terminate its war against Japan after the first 2,117 deaths.”
Since it is just stupid reasoning. The “liberals” are overlooking reality; to wit, that their obvious central premise is irrational and simply obfuscating; to wit, their obvious concept of "proportion" is totally amiss, and does not compare the intolerable harassment of missiles coming in, endlessly, with the very temporary Palestinian burden of a counter-insurgency war that will have a clearly marked end.
As I told one group, Islamic Tube”
There are many people needing aid in the world today, especially the poor indian children in Guatemala and the poor Africans in Durfar, but the people in Gaza brought the problem on themselves by launching rockets at their neighbor instead of being neighborly and showing neighbor love as we all should per Matthew 5:43-45, "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." (Authorized King James Bible; AV). What you are asking is not reasonable as it is like being asked to help a man or keeps hitting his head into a concrete wall - he and the Gazans are totally responsible for their own missery, now let them accept that responsibility and send aid to those who need it and ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR CONDITION.
It is just foolish to give aid to those who spend their funds on weapons instead of food.
Iris89
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Posted by: faceinthecrowd on Jan 17, 2009 7:57 AM
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Posted by: MeyravLevine on Jan 17, 2009 9:34 AM
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US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was left shame-faced after President George W. Bush ordered her to abstain in a key UN vote on the Gaza war, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said on Monday.
"She was left shamed. A resolution that she prepared and arranged, and in the end she did not vote in favour," Olmert said in a speech in the southern town of Ashkelon
“Early Friday morning the secretary of state was considering bringing the cease-fire resolution to a UNSC vote and we didn’t want her to vote for it,” Olmert said. “I said ‘get President Bush on the phone.’ They tried and told me he was in the middle of a lecture in Philadelphia. I said ‘I’m not interested, I need to speak to him now.’ He got down from the podium, went out and took the phone call.”
Consider the defeat of Georgia's Cynthia McKinney and Alabama's Earl Hilliard in democratic primaries after they refused to tow Tel Aviv's line, in 2002.
Georgia's Cynthia McKinney and Alabama's Earl Hilliard found themselves heavily outspent and ultimately unseated by otherwise puny challengers in Democratic primary contests. AIPAC bragged of its ability to shut down independent-minded Black politicians who fail to understand that U.S.
Paul Findley, a former Congressman, blames the Israeli lobby for contributing to his defeat in 1982. "In seeking gains for Israel, they rigorously stifled dissent and intimidated the entire Congress. They still do. They defeat legislators who criticize Israel. Senators Adlai Stevenson III and Charles H. Percy, and Representatives Pete McCloskey, Cynthia McKinney, Earl F. Hilliard, and myself were defeated at the polls by candidates heavily financed by pro-Israel forces. McKinney alone was able to regain her seat in Congress." (McKinney lost her seat again two years later.)
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Posted by: GUY FOX on Jan 17, 2009 10:02 AM
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Behold! Listen to the propagan-duh palaver of right-$winging pundits on talk $hit radio... and/or the Jeeeeeeeeezass tell-lie-vision preachers. According to these traitors of American constitutional precepts... it is the patriotic duty of every fat ass Amerikan consumer citizen to support the bigoted, ethno-racist apartheid policies of the criminal Zionist theorazy in Israel. Yessss! Israel FIRST! Amerika $ECOND!
The Zionist demons in Israel are using Amerikan made jets and bombs to commit savage butchery, carnage and genocide against Palestinians in the Warsaw ghetto of Gaza. This begs for a karma, a terifying collective karma that is screaming and screaming for the
EVAPORTION OF NEW YORK CITY!
Where there is no insight, the people perish!
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Posted by: Archie1954 on Jan 17, 2009 11:34 AM
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» RE: Israel and the US do NOT have a parasitic relationship. The US/Saudi relationship is parasitic!!
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Posted by: Mae-121 on Jan 17, 2009 12:29 PM
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http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/528.html
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Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Jan 17, 2009 9:02 PM
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» RE: None of this would be going on if Ralph Nader had been president for the last 8 years.
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Posted by: chance garden on Jan 17, 2009 11:04 PM
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I suppose that it depends on how these groups behave in response to israel's action in gaza and elsewhere.
What are the possible responses to the recent events?
1) ceasefire
2) de-escalation
3) escalation
4) resolution
What are the likely future senarios?
What do the palestinians do now and with whom?
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jan 18, 2009 3:24 AM
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It's The Israeli Effect--unnerving proof that our government has been gelded by a foreign power.
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Posted by: brianct on Jan 18, 2009 8:03 PM
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Posted by: mattwoolery on Jan 19, 2009 8:50 AM
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Posted by: edgar1 on Jan 23, 2009 12:49 PM
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Historic day indeed. First Jew elected to the White House.
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Posted by: iris89 on Jan 26, 2009 4:07 PM
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Many uninformed ones and/or ones that do NOT want to know the truth have:
[1] Been calling me names and making false accusations about me.
[2] Telling outright untruths about factual matters to favor those in the WRONG, the Gazans
[3] Have been telling me I do not know what I am speaking about – however, I know the subject of WRONGLY occupied land better for sure than any other poster.
[4] Most have failed to be objective and to call a ‘spade a spade’ and be honest.
Well I have just concluded an exhaustive study of occupied lands with major emphasis on Palestine along with a historical narrative covering about 3,500 years from 1,500 BCE to present and am presenting it in a clear honest and balanced way [[which I can do better than others as I am neither a Gazan, Zionist, Hebrew, Jew or anyone else with a stake in the outcome that blinds them to the truth. I am an Ishmaelite who pulls no punches with respect telling the truth]].
Now to read my analytic report,
[go to] Who Are The Wrongful Occupiers In Palestine? A Short Look At History:
Which can be found at,
http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/
An Educational Referral Forum under the sub-heading, WELCOME AND ANOUNCEMENT :: LAND TITLE SUMMARY
Also, I am throwing out a challenge to one and all -- I defy anyone to show even one error in the facts, the reality per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV) I am presenting.
Anyone wishing more information and/or to discuss can PM me on the above forum.
Iris89
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Posted by: iris89 on Jan 26, 2009 4:07 PM
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Many uninformed ones and/or ones that do NOT want to know the truth have:
[1] Been calling me names and making false accusations about me.
[2] Telling outright untruths about factual matters to favor those in the WRONG, the Gazans
[3] Have been telling me I do not know what I am speaking about – however, I know the subject of WRONGLY occupied land better for sure than any other poster.
[4] Most have failed to be objective and to call a ‘spade a spade’ and be honest.
Well I have just concluded an exhaustive study of occupied lands with major emphasis on Palestine along with a historical narrative covering about 3,500 years from 1,500 BCE to present and am presenting it in a clear honest and balanced way [[which I can do better than others as I am neither a Gazan, Zionist, Hebrew, Jew or anyone else with a stake in the outcome that blinds them to the truth. I am an Ishmaelite who pulls no punches with respect telling the truth]].
Now to read my analytic report,
[go to] Who Are The Wrongful Occupiers In Palestine? A Short Look At History:
Which can be found at,
http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/
An Educational Referral Forum under the sub-heading, WELCOME AND ANOUNCEMENT :: LAND TITLE SUMMARY
Also, I am throwing out a challenge to one and all -- I defy anyone to show even one error in the facts, the reality per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV) I am presenting.
Anyone wishing more information and/or to discuss can PM me on the above forum.
Iris89
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Posted by: iris89 on Jan 26, 2009 4:28 PM
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Many uninformed ones and/or ones that do NOT want to know the truth have:
[1] Been calling me names and making false accusations about me.
[2] Telling outright untruths about factual matters to favor those in the WRONG, the Gazans
[3] Have been telling me I do not know what I am speaking about – however, I know the subject of WRONGLY occupied land better for sure than any other poster.
[4] Most have failed to be objective and to call a ‘spade a spade’ and be honest.
Well I have just concluded an exhaustive study of occupied lands with major emphasis on Palestine along with a historical narrative covering about 3,500 years from 1,500 BCE to present and am presenting it in a clear honest and balanced way [[which I can do better than others as I am neither a Gazan, Zionist, Hebrew, Jew or anyone else with a stake in the outcome that blinds them to the truth. I am an Ishmaelite who pulls no punches with respect telling the truth]].
Now to read my analytic report,
[go to] Who Are The Wrongful Occupiers In Palestine? A Short Look At History:
Which can be found at,
http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/
An Educational Referral Forum under the sub-heading, WELCOME AND ANOUNCEMENT :: LAND TITLE SUMMARY
Also, I am throwing out a challenge to one and all -- I defy anyone to show even one error in the facts, the reality per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV) I am presenting.
Anyone wishing more information and/or to discuss can PM me on the above forum.
Iris89
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