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Obama's Top Law Enforcer Is Preoccupied with Bush's War on Terror

By Liliana Segura, AlterNet. Posted January 16, 2009.


In his confirmation hearing, Holder called waterboarding "torture," but his support for preventive detention and warrantless spying is bad news.

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As Obama's attorney general nominee Eric Holder sails toward confirmation, one thing is clear: United States law and justice will continue to be seen through the Bush-era lens of the so-called "War on Terror," long after Bush vacates the Oval Office. In fact, according to Holder, not only are we at war now, we were at war before September 2001 (as evidenced by the attacks on the USS Cole and on American embassies abroad) -- we just "did not realize we were at war." Although the phrase "war on terror" was conspicuously absent from the all-day hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday, this fact alone bears tremendous weight on the change Obama's Department of Justice will -- or will not -- bring.

Much of the coverage from yesterday's hearing zeroed in on torture, and indeed, Holder's headline-generating answer on the question of waterboarding -- which he bluntly labeled torture -- deserved a certain amount of praise, especially given recent memories of the preposterous testimony by Alberto Gonzales a few years back. (As Illinois Senator Dick Durbin recalled, "we could never ever get a straight declarative sentence.") Holder also deserves credit for refusing to fall for the trap laid by Texas Senator John Cornyn, who asked whether he would authorize waterboarding a suspect under the bogus "ticking time bomb scenario" of the sort popularized by the FOX series 24. "People will say almsot anything to avoid torture," Holder responded, rejecting the notion that torturing a suspect would necessarily provide life-saving information.

But Holder also made it clear that he believes we are living in dangerous times, and thus his first goal will be to "strengthen the activities of the federal government and protect the American people from terrorism." "Nothing I do is more important," he said. "I will use every available tactic to defeat our adversaries, and I will do so within the letter and the spirit of the Constitution."

There is nothing wrong a top-level law enforcement official asserting his intention to keep Americans safe. But the attorney general is not a defense official, nor is the Department of Justice the Pentagon. Holder's job, particularly critical now, is to ensure that the country fulfills its Constitutional principles and to uphold the rule of law, which was so dramatically turned on its head under Bush. It might have been wishful thinking to expect that Holder would repudiate the framework of the "war on terror" -- particularly given Obama's own devotion to it. But by continuing to use it as the guiding narrative for American justice, he gives credance to the operative logic that led to so much abuse and lawlessness in the first place.

Torture and preventive detention

Particularly troubling is Holder's belief in the preventive detention of enemy combatants "for the duration of a conflict" -- an issue that came up repeatedly during the hearing, and which, in the context of the "war on terror," is a direct threat to habeas corpus and due process. When asked whether prisoners at Guantanamo who might not be convicted could nevertheless be kept in U.S. custody due to the belief that they still pose a threat to the United States, Holder left the possibility open. "There are possibly many other people who are not going to be able to be tried but who nevertheless are dangerous to this country," Holder said. "We're going to have to try to figure out what we do with them."

"This is a war that may go on for an extended period of time," he said later in the hearing, suggesting that preventative detention, with certain "safeguards" in place -- such as a yearly review of suspects' cases -- could be appopriate way to deal with terror suspects. He agreed with South Carolina Senator Lindsay Graham, who, just back from Iraq, drew stark differences between enemies on the battlefield and the "unconventional enemies" we face in the so-called "war on terror." "There is a difference between a warrior and a criminal," Sen. Graham said, "and if you want to know that difference, go look at the transcript of (the trial of) Khalid Sheikh Mohammed." Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, of course, the "9-11 matermind," was one of the handful of people the Bush administration admits to having subjected to "enhanced interrogation techniques;" last Feburary, CIA Director Michael Hayden told the Senate Intelligence Committee that he had been waterboarded. (Sen. Graham was so pleased with Holder's responses to his questions, he told the nominee, "“I’m almost ready to vote for you right now.")


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Liliana Segura is an AlterNet staff writer and editor of Rights & Liberties Special Coverage.

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Two Inaugural Gifts for the Obama Team
Posted by: DrBrian on Jan 16, 2009 12:18 AM   
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If I could give Obama, Biden, Holder, Clinton, Jones, Gates and Panetta two things, it would be British Foreign Secretary David Miliband's essay (delete the spaces--http://www.guardian. co.uk/commentis free/2009/jan/15/david -miliband-war-terror) and Barbara Tuchman's classic The March of Folly.

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They Should Try It First
Posted by: bryangalt on Jan 16, 2009 12:45 AM   
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Any politician that thinks torture is only tearing someone's fingernails off should be forced to try out our version of 'justified torture' before they are allowed to authorize it.

This rule should apply to anyone that would even have the balls to endorse torture as a method of information gathering for that matter.

Plus, I think that someone needs to arrest a couple of politicians that continue to support holding captured people from overseas without charges. Let's hold these politico's for a couple of years with the lights turned on and off every hour, the temperature raised and lowered, with them tied standing up, squatting down, forced to fondle themselves, ejaculate in front of others while wearing a hood over their head and then let's hear from them after its all over.

Will they still sing the song that this isn't torture or humilation? You better believe that won't.

Just watch the movie "Goya's Ghosts" to see an excellent scene where a rich merchant snatches a priest up and tells him that he will sign a paper claiming to be a monkey once they start to torture him. The priest scoffs but, lo and behold, he signs away once the torture begins.

That is why it's unreliable. The fact that it's a human being that is being mistreated is why it's illegal. The fact that we don't do enough to speak up and prevent is is immoral.

Bryan Galt Blog

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» RE: They Should Try It First Posted by: mythmorph
No surprise there. Besides, Obama voted for FISA
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Jan 16, 2009 12:59 AM   
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so why not put in a lousy place holder to match the president's flip-flopping?

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Like Obama - Another Petty FASCIST STOOGE
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Jan 16, 2009 3:56 AM   
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This begs the question on whether the "Hope you can believe in" crowd will start to wake up. It seems not until they find they have no future, no jobs and no way out of the Corporate Crime State they allowed to take over their lives.

Amazing that Kean and Hamilton of the 9/11 "Commission" have admitted their "investigation" was a 9/11 coverup and that therefore everything that came after - including phony 9/11 "war on terror" - remains a gruesome farce. A murderous war pumped by at least 1000 lies since BushCo foisted their coup with full cooperation of a Washington-MSM circus. All at the expense of blood money genocide for organized corporate crime.

Sham 9/11 "war on terror", a FISA spy state and Wall Street Bailouts were built to divide and conquer Americans not "Al-Qaeda" that is bogus as the CIA snake oil that created it.

And most Americans are so dead gullible they continue to gulp down the Kool-Aid and ask for more.

The old parasite ruling class never had it so good.

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Recovered 'Clintonian ' having flashbacks
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jan 16, 2009 4:15 AM   
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Of course I had no delusions that Obama was a Liberal, Patriot Act, FISA...But it seems we are facing another appeasing 'Dem' in the WH.
Having voted for Kucinch, in the obviously Rigged MI Primary, I had no intentions of voting for Obama even if Hillary hadn't doubled crossed Him and Edwards to Steal the State.But once the inevitable happened, I threw my support behind Obama- as Kucinich had suggested his supporters do (Obama never offered to reciprocate when put in the same position during the Prim's). So I am hardly surprised that he has nominated some questionable candidates, esp Hillary "Obliterate Iran" Clinton.
But having been a Bill supporter and then disgusted by his constant concessions to The Repugs, I'm experiencing Flashbacks. Granted Bill and Obama are far better choice than either of their opponents, I was hoping the current situation would provide the opportunity for a Democratic 'Shock Doctrine'.
The economy would immediately be converted to a 'bottoms Up' stratedgy, the revelation that Iraq was Unwarranted, illegal and Unwinnable would bring both wars to an end, Gas prices would move Global warming prevention forward and end our indentured slavery to the UAE, and the Outrageous abuse of Power would be prosecuted.
Instead of calling it the Presidency we should start calling it the 'Nations Top Housekeeper'- they all do such a great job sweeping the Dirt under the rug.
Ford shoved Nixons crimes in a bottom drawer, Clinton stashed Iran Contra in a closet and now Obama is going to hide every crime the Bushies committed under the sofa cushions.
This is what Rev Wright meant when he said 'God Damn America' (not americaNs). If we can not get justice, we might as well give up trying to help others around the world- apparently 'Resistence is Futile' and a Gov't 'For the People and By the people' is Dead.
Note : Please don't tell me I should have voted for Nadar either, he's been acovert opertaive for the Neo cons every time he runs- stealing votes away from Dems to hand to the election to the repugs on a silver platter. Let's all thank the Nadarites for 8 yrs of Bushco.

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» RE: I don't disagree but....... Posted by: DCostello2
» RE: I don't disagree but....... Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: I don't disagree but....... Posted by: DCostello2
Department of Jackers
Posted by: PointMan on Jan 16, 2009 4:17 AM   
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You could open up the prisons of America and get better people to run DC than these police state jokers.

People are so far gone, they gave away the keys to their homes and bank accounts to these smiley corporate crooks and it's still not enough. Talk about land of the lost.

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For a change...
Posted by: jmndodge on Jan 16, 2009 5:57 AM   
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Perhaps it good to hear the Republicans hearing what they want to hear, and being disappointed. The thought that We are keeping the policies of Rumsfeld and Cheney are to awful to think about.

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» RE: For a change... Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
Holder is an idiot
Posted by: beandang on Jan 16, 2009 6:14 AM   
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LOL, That idiot looks like he is about as corrupt as the day is long! These idiots are taking this terrorist nonsense WAY too seriously.

RT
Is your ISP watching?

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» RE: Holder is an idiot Posted by: 2thepoint
» RE: Holder is an idiot Posted by: scared
Terrorists are our best friends!
Posted by: 2thepoint on Jan 16, 2009 7:02 AM   
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Of course he calls water boarding torture.. He recommended clemency for some of the worst terrorists this country has had, the Boricua Popular Army members and pardoned Marc Rich.

Considering this appointment and the treasury appointment, Obama seems be starting off as a big flop! Now add the $150 million price tage for him to just say "I Do" and we have one of the biggest screwing this country has had!

This is disgusting that in terms of our fight against terrorists and the corporate criminals ruining this country that we Obama shuns common sense and appoints this guy!

The republicans may have been in power when this economic mess started but the democrats will be sure to put the final nail in the coffin.

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» $150 mil price tag is spin Posted by: jackyD
WATCHING, JUST WATCHING! TIME WILL TELL ALL!
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Jan 16, 2009 8:12 AM   
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We are just watching. Time will tell all!
We certainly DO NOT LIKE THE SPYING and DETENTION remaining part of the status quo!!!

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The distinction between police and military should be made correctly.
Posted by: lonl1 on Jan 16, 2009 8:12 AM   
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Liliana Segura's fine coverage of the Holder confirmation hearing makes what strike me as a number of valid and important points about maintaining both legality and constitutionality. However, I feel we should examine the thrust of her paragraph:

"But the attorney general is not a defense official, nor is the Department of Justice the Pentagon. Holder's job, particularly critical now, is to ensure that the country fulfills its Constitutional principles and to uphold the rule of law, which was so dramatically turned on its head under Bush."

True, he is not a defense official. But he is responsible to insure that police work gets done and actual crimes get legally prosecuted. We should demand that the attorney general restore legality and constitutionality by rebuilding actual police work to legitimately fight actual threats, not invented ones. Shouldn't this be done through upholding what were formerly thought of as norms of international police cooperation? Shouldn't it be done in contradistinction to the big lies of the Bush administration - itself a criminal actor of the worst sort? It trampled legality domestically and the sovereignty of nations internationally, scapegoating the oppressed and killing multitudes in the name of fighting terror.

In fact, Bush sought to make terrorism appear to be the cause of our difficulties rather than one of the results of US imperialist policies and actions. But even though terrorism has been overblown immensely for political purposes, no organized society can fail to attempt to prosecute actual crimes. We should demand that the new attorney general do the job of prosecuting the actual crimes that have been committed.

Segura is overwhelmingly correct when she points to the apparent intention of the new administration to continue the so-called War on Terror as the element in Holder's testimony that is most disturbing. However, as others in this thread are pointing out, there is not a lot of reason to be surprised unless one is either extremely naive or else has chosen to hide one's head in the sand.

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The great change
Posted by: Juven on Jan 16, 2009 8:17 AM   
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Patriot act sits untouched-- This guy is not going to change a thing with the damn war, he is anti-gun-- we got the bailout going full swing and then we got articles about how our sexlife is going to begt better in 2009--- man, you got to wonder.

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More People Die From Car Accidents in U.S. than All International Terrorism Deaths Combined
Posted by: ATH on Jan 16, 2009 12:07 PM   
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The "war on terror" began with 9/11, a crime we still do not know who actually committed.
If you look on Usama bin Laden's FBI page, he is charged with serveral terrorist attacks, but NOT 9/11. When asked about this, the FBI said they simply didn't have enough evidence to tie bin Laden to 9/11. Obviously, they realize that the confession tape was obviously a fake. Besides, why would bin Laden deny responsibility for these acts, but then admit to them on a very poor quality video-tape (those billionaires just can't afford a good camera)stuck in a house somewhere in Afganistan that may have never even been found? It makes absolutely no sense.

When we helped create the Mujahadeen and trained these people, including bin Laden, they were "Freedom Fighters." But once we were done with them, we left Afganistan without helping to rebuild or stabilize the country. Afgans realized the U.S. had used them and their country to fight a war with Russia. If we had helped them rebuild, invested in building schools, etc--Afganistan might be a somewhat different place today. Although, as long as we continue the kind of one-sided tunnel vision we have towards Israel and Palestine, and continue to block U.N. action to bring Justice, we will be hated...and after what I've seen lately from Israel, I can understand their hatred. I just wish everyone would realize that civilians are NOT their government, and many, many, Americans completely disagree with our foreign policies.
The Palestinians are not Hamas, and the Israelis are not the IDF...although the majority of Israelis support what their government is doing...Whether that is due to the same kind of information control and government propaganda we experience through our MSM or if the Jews are like children who were beaten when young (the Holocost) and then grow up to beat their own children (Israel's occupation of Palestine and use of incredibly disproportionate force.
Or perhaps it's something completely different.

There is no doubt, however, that the whole terrorism scare is a tactic long used by dictators and governments to control people. The government is using terrorism to make terrorism seem much more of a threat than it truly is. I believe 9/11 was allowed to happen.
It was the "new Pearl Harbor" the neocons had talked about in PNAC's manifesto, "Rebuilding America's Defenses" I believe was the title in which they said their already laid out plans for regime change in Iraq and a host of other plans (like implementing the Patriot Act)would be slow and difficult to implement "without some catalyzing force, such as a new Pearl Harbor." One year later, it happened. And the government lied thru its teeth about "No one could have ever envisioned such a thing.."
Then, we find out that not only had they thought of it, they had conducted exercises of the exact scenario that actually took place: planes flying into the World Trade Centers and the Pentagon!

Just like the "war on drugs" the "war on terror" is not what it seems. What it definitely is: another attack on our Civil Liberties and rights! Another reason to increase our "Defense" budget even more. A reason to award Haliburton another couple hundred million in government contracts. A way to insure perpetual war, which the M.I.C. drastically needed after the Soviet bear fell.

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These Terrorists Have Attacked New York, Madrid, London, Bali & Gaza
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 16, 2009 1:18 PM   
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Just to give you a little taste of what they have been up to.

They now appear to control the US Government

http://www.huffingtonpost.com /2009/01/12/ olmert-bush-humiliated-ri_n_157201.html

linked text

Stop sucking up to them and arrest them FFS

Do you want me to spell it out?

Its a Massive Attack on All Fronts Including The World Financial System

Its a Communist/Zionist Take Over Attempting World Government Dictatorship

Are We All So Stupid To Allow This To Happen?

The Enemy is Not Muslims

Ordinary Americans Have Got To Save Us

Tony

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WE Are Like The Kids in The Theme Park - The Guys Operating The Rides Are The Government
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 16, 2009 2:21 PM   
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The Government are Paid By The Managers of The Theme Park To Control Us and ensure we have a happy day and that their are no accidents

The Communist/Zionists Own The Theme Park

And Have Decided To Bomb It

Tony

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Spreading the news for our American Troops
Posted by: jcore77 on Jan 16, 2009 2:32 PM   
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Just spreading the wonderful news for our American Troops
David H. Brooks has saved thousands of our American soldiers and he is asking for us to help him save soldiers lives. The David H. Brooks Foundation for America’s Wounded Heroes is a non-profit organization that provides health care, food, housing assistance, medications and physical therapy to our wounded soldiers returning home from protecting our country.
The David H Brooks Foundation

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No in '12
Posted by: jmmartin on Jan 16, 2009 5:14 PM   
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Is the Obama Administration going to allow George W. Bush to get off scott free? Is the new leader going to turn his back on war crimes? If so, I know one voter who will not be returning him to the White House in 2012.

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» RE: No in '12 Posted by: Dboy
Let’s Get Real and Pragmatic
Posted by: iris89 on Jan 19, 2009 8:12 AM   
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Let’s Get Real and Pragmatic

Spying and detention even though it is not liked is necessary for all civilized countries since “NUT CASES” and their religious leaders such as Muslim religious leader, Sheik Osama bin Ladin are directing their followers to commit unthinkable evil against humanity in violation of Jesus (Yeshua) words at Matthew 5:43-45, “Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.” (Authorized King James Bible; AV).

PRAGMATIC REALITY:

[1] If the USA had had better intelligence gathering in 2001, there would never have been an Iraq war!

[2] If the USA had had better intelligence spying organization in 2001 there would never have been an 09/11/2001 crime against humanity.

[3] A large number of the detainees who have already been released have rescinded into their evil ways so reality is their release was unwise. Evil criminals should be detained until they become unveil.

Just as the the inspired word of Almighty God (YHWH), the Bible says at 1 Peter 3:11, “Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.” (AV), and at 2 Corinthians 13:11, “Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.” (AV). When mankind practices peace the world will be a wonderful place. So all should be seeking to do as Ephesians 4:3 recommends to us, “Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.” (AV).

Reality is that ALL should learn what the Bible really says and seek to do it, and to this end I recommend a book, “What Does The Bible Really Teach?”

For all those desirous of learning more and/or contacting me to discuss by PM, go to,

http://jude3.proboards92.com/ A Free-Speech Forum For All

Iris89

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