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Dirt-Cheap Gas in 2009: Be Careful What You Wish For

By Michael T. Klare, Tomdispatch.com. Posted January 14, 2009.


Oil costs a third of what it did in July, and prices keep dropping. That may seem like a godsend now, but we'll pay through the nose later.

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Only yesterday, it seems, we were bemoaning the high price of oil. Under the headline "Oil's Rapid Rise Stirs Talk of $200 a Barrel This Year," the July 7 issue of the Wall Street Journal warned that prices that high would put "extreme strains on large sectors of the US economy." Today, oil, at over $40 a barrel, costs less than one-third what it did in July, and some economists have predicted that it could fall as low as $25 a barrel in 2009.

Prices that low -- and their equivalents at the gas pump -- will no doubt be viewed as a godsend by many hard-hit American consumers, even if they ensure severe economic hardship in oil-producing countries like Nigeria, Russia, Iran, Kuwait and Venezuela that depend on energy exports for a large share of their national income. Here, however, is a simple but crucial reality to keep in mind: no matter how much it costs, whether it's rising or falling, oil has a profound impact on the world we inhabit -- and this will be no less true in 2009 than in 2008.

The main reason? In good times and bad, oil will continue to supply the largest share of the world's energy supply. For all the talk of alternatives, petroleum will remain the number-one source of energy for at least the next several decades. According to December 2008 projections from the US Department of Energy (DoE), petroleum products will still make up 38 percent of America's total energy supply in 2015; natural gas and coal only 23 percent each. Oil's overall share is expected to decline slightly as biofuels (and other alternatives) take on a larger percentage of the total, but even in 2030 -- the furthest the DoE is currently willing to project -- it will still remain the dominant fuel.

A similar pattern holds for the planet as a whole: although biofuels and other renewable sources of energy are expected to play a growing role in the global energy equation, don't expect oil to be anything but the world's leading source of fuel for decades to come.

Keep your eye on the politics of oil and you'll always know a lot about what's actually happening on this planet. Low prices, as at present, are bad for producers, and so will hurt a number of countries that the US government considers hostile, including Venezuela, Iran and even that natural-gas-and-oil giant Russia. All of them have, in recent years, used their soaring oil income to finance political endeavors considered inimical to US interests. However, dwindling prices could also shake the very foundations of oil allies like Mexico, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia, which could experience internal unrest as oil revenues, and so state expenditures, decline.

No less important, diminished oil prices discourage investment in complex oil ventures like deep-offshore drilling, as well as investment in the development of alternatives to oil like advanced (non-food) biofuels. Perhaps most disastrously, in a cheap oil moment, investment in non-polluting, non-climate-altering alternatives like solar, wind and tidal energy is also likely to dwindle. In the longer term, what this means is that, once a global economic recovery begins, we can expect a fresh oil price shock as future energy options prove painfully limited.

Clearly, there is no escaping oil's influence. Yet it's hard to know just what forms this influence will take in the year. Nevertheless, here are three provisional observations on oil's fate -- and so ours -- in the year ahead.

1. The Price of Oil Will Remain Low Until It Begins to Rise Again: I know, I know: this sounds totally inane. It's just that there's no other way to put it. The price of oil has essentially dropped through the floor because, in the past four months, demand collapsed due to the onset of a staggering global recession. It is not likely to approach the record levels of spring and summer 2008 again until demand picks up and/or the global oil supply is curbed dramatically. At this point, unfortunately, no crystal ball can predict just when either of those events will occur.

The contraction in international demand has indeed been stunning. After rising for much of last summer, demand plunged in the early fall by several hundred thousand barrels per day, producing a net decline for 2008 of 50,000 barrels per day. This year, the Department of Energy projects global demand to fall by a far more impressive 450,000 barrels per day -- "the first time in three decades that world consumption would decline in two consecutive years."


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Posted by: dipconsult on Jan 14, 2009 3:49 AM   
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An excellent summary of the oil situation, a vital part of international relations which we diplomatic professionals strive to follow.

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» I'm still shopping for a HUMMER Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
SIMPLE AND TRUE. CHEAP OIL IS INTENDED TO KEEP US HOOKED. MEXICO AND CANADA
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jan 14, 2009 4:07 AM   
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export petroleum to us. They protect their oil industry. We are stacking our drilling rigs. Guess what? We are importing more oil.

It is the behavior of an international monopoly. The US public is completely unprotected. The right-wing makes much of how willing they are to protect us. If that is so, where have they been for the last 30 republican years.

What have the Canadians and the Mexicans done? Mexico nationalized Standard Oil's fields. It sure made wealthy easterners mad. Canada put a floor under the price of oil. Either would be preferable to our boom and bust policy.

I suggested a support price to a moderate democrat, oil production owner, and accountant. He was flabbergasted at the idea. I have a further suggestion. I suggest that the support price be tied to the same inflation factor that is used to raise Social Security checks. It might force a little realism.

Occasionally people ask what we are to do. The correct answer is everything all at the same time. We can't and shouldn't drill our selves out of this one. But that doesn't mean we just quit fossil fuels. We do self sufficiency. We do self sufficiency cleanly.

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Great job!
Posted by: larazzafilms on Jan 14, 2009 4:35 AM   
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I will be one of the first to contact this organization and set an exsample for the rest of 5 million "We the People". It all starts with will to make a change with numbers, now follow me and lets communicate with numbers.

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Matt Funiciello
Posted by: mattfuniciello on Jan 14, 2009 4:43 AM   
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The reason oil is cheap is very simple and the reason is simpler. We all know that the OPEC nations and the major oil corporations manipulate pricing, right? They have lowered their pricing because, if "clean energy" policies are to be initiated it is vital that this be done quickly while Obama has mass support and the prophet/FDR rhetoric hasn't died down yet. OPEC does not want to see that happen as a further drop in declining oil revenues from customer #1 would result and would be catastrophic to their wallets. If Obama isn't pushed to change the energy landscape in year one, odds are he will not be able to seriously revisit it for many years to come or at all. We may see a similar "baiot and switch as we did with Bill and Hillary Clinton's "We will pretend to get you Universal Health Care and then will collect lots of money from HMO's and Big Pharma" debacle. Being a corporate puppet, Obama won't try to effect serious energy change unless pushed to do so by a massive and active grassroots movement. Where will that movement be while gas is $1.80 a gallon? How upset and organized will our "vigilant electorate" be when they can fill their tank for $20? Its a question that answers itself, isn't it? Those Saudis are very smart. Smarter than we are.

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» RE: Matt Funiciello Posted by: blondesprite
» RE: GOOD LUCK ON DOING THAT Posted by: mattfuniciello
» They Manipulate Price?? Posted by: gellero1
Inspector Roger
Posted by: Inspector Roger on Jan 14, 2009 6:04 AM   
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How do the statements made in this article relate to the recent CBS 60 Minutes investigation of high oil prices during the summer of 2008. CBS found that oil futures trading was the primary factor in the spike in oil prices. Demand has been dropping for a year and supply has been increasing. If market forces alone were influencing price, then the price should have been dropping throughout 2008. What this article and CBS do not say is how much of the excess cost of oil went to the traders - speculators, and how much went back to the producers. What the USA should be doing now is taxing oil or motor fuel to continue the rational use of this valuable resource while providing revenue to fund alternative energy development, road construction, and other transit projects, while reducing our reliance on deficient financing.

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peak oil in action
Posted by: jon B on Jan 14, 2009 6:41 AM   
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This is peak oil in action. We've peaked, all the predictions of oil prices are now coming true. Those predictions included higher prices of course, but also big fluctuations in the price.

Before the housing bust, oil was being pumped like mad to try to keep up with demand. Now, as the writer points out, the opposite is happening. There is now no incentive to keep looking for new sources or to begin expensive projects. But some time in the future it will be worth it and oil prices will sky because these projects weren't done now.

Some things don't change. Older big fields continue to be drained, it's just at a lower rate, they will run out no matter the speed of pumping. Mexico announced last year that its' biggest and essentially only worthwhile field Cantarell would be dry mid 2010s. So, now we can add a year or two to that analysis, nothing really changes in the long run.

Some things do change. At the $120 a barrel level or so the US had a surge of wildcatters hit upon old fields that the big corporations had abandoned decades ago. The price made it worth it to prompt small independent companies to get back in business. Well, you can bet the wildcatters are going broke or have given up. But, when the price rebounds again, some will be back, some might not from being burned this past year.

The wide swings in oil prices were predicted by peak oil theory, don't be surprised by the next swing whenever it happens.

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» RE: peak oil in action Posted by: HANGTRAITORS
» RE: peak oil in action Posted by: Dboy
RE: Gas
Posted by: jaynesian on Jan 14, 2009 9:45 AM   
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It's rising like crazy in California -- in the last week, while headlines blared that world oil prices were plunging, prices for gas on my corner rose from 1.89 to today's 2.09 (1/13/09). In most of LA it's now 2.25 or so. One day I spotted the station owner TWICE out with his cherry-picker changing the signs, both times raising the price.

Peak oil predicts volatility -- but raising prices in the face of falling demand is simply gouging.

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» a possible reason Posted by: jon B
good for the environment and our future survival
Posted by: sharloch on Jan 14, 2009 7:11 AM   
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Obviously the 6.5 billion people with a lots of energy at their hand can quickly destroy the little that is left from the natural resources. A depression will slow down this madness and extend a quality of life of this generation. The next one is pretty much doomed. Why is it that you people care so little about the environment - the biosphere? This is the primary feeding hand that keeps us alive. And since we are so disrespectful and ignorant about the state of this biosphere, only depression may preserve it a little longer. The high cost of any fossil fuels is a good stimulus to implement less hazardous technology. The green jobs and reduction of the world population can save us - not dirty fossil fuel economy. And the transition must start now regardless of the cost of gasoline. So to do it right, we need to keep the cost of fossil fuels as it was at its peak and skim the profits (the tax) for transition projects.

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A skeptic
Posted by: TexasCowboy on Jan 14, 2009 7:26 AM   
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I find the article informative, yet it leans toward a 'pro-oil' philosophy. OPEC, Wall Street and big oil companies have manipulated oil prices for decades. Oil companies with record breaking mega-billion dollar profits, gave those profits to investors. They have not invested in new sources of oil, although they have some 50 million acres of leased US land which tax payers pay for. Nor have they invested in cleaner technology or new production facilities. Just like the auto industry who knew oil prices could rise and did not plan for the future with more fuel efficient cars. They continue to weep, wail an moan at the first signs of an economy downturn. While Americans footed the bill for these companies to make huge profits at our expense, they either come back and ask for more taxpayer money to help them out for their greedy type of leadership, or the complain they do not have enough money to invest in drilling or production facilities.
The continued raping and pillaging of the American taxpayer has to stop. OPEC claiming low prices will hurt the world economy is like the drug industry saying negotiating drug prices would also hurt the economy. In fact, Americans are not stupid, they simply get overwhelmed with all the lobbyist-speak and seem to think they have no voice. I hope we all wake up to the fact that power does lie with the people.

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We the idiot Americans don't give a shit if it's too low to be true.
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Jan 14, 2009 7:30 AM   
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Actually, the prices have started going up a bit. The oil prices can't go low forever. Back when the price of oil was high last year, traffic turned out to be somewhat reasonable. I could leave home at 8 AM and each work at 8:30 AM. Nowadays, I have to leave before 7 AM and it's still a shitpot. The afternoon and evening commutes are even worse. And before some idiot tells me to ride a bike or ride the metro out here in St. Louis, let's get one thing straight. Driving 30 miles to work on a bike is impossible unless you want to smell and look soaked and sweaty by the time you get to work and some roads don't even allow bicyclists. And getting bicycle roads and tunnels built is pretty much DOA what with our fucking conservatives running the state government and our gas guzzling motherfuckers causing trouble on the road. And yeah, I have a nice and shoddy metro service that overcharges but never provides any remote quality service. Most people who told me their experience on metro told me that in their 5-10 years, nothing has changed but the prices. There are more delays, more breakdowns, and more business scandals. Tell your public transportation idiots out there to lower the cost or at least improve the service significantly. We can do a hell of a lot better than Europe but those idiots are derailing progress !

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» Conservatives run metros Posted by: PaulK
» Bicycling 30 miles to work is difficult Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» RE: Bicycling 30 miles to work is difficult Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
PUKE OIL LIAR
Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Jan 14, 2009 7:46 AM   
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Go fill up your 1895 internal combustion and pay the bill on your 1910 electric grid. Do you realize how grossly obsolete these stone age contraptions are. Google suppressed energy and medical technology and see whats been kept from you for the last century. THIS IS PARASITISM!

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» RE: PUKE OIL LIAR Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: PUKE OIL LIAR Posted by: HANGTRAITORS
» ReallY??? Posted by: gellero1
» RE: eallY???/ New Energy Posted by: MyLeftFoot
the long drive to the unemployment office
Posted by: littlepitcher on Jan 14, 2009 7:51 AM   
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At this point in the recession, what matters is jobs for Americans, and most unemployed need gas to find work, since many corporations locate away from bus lines to keep minority applicants away.
It is up to employed Americans to keep our consumption down and thwart OPEC's efforts to manipulate the USA's supply.
Once we have sufficient hybrids,bike trails, mass transit, and employment of minorities, we can worry about whether nations who hate us are making the income they desire.

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You're telling me Americans can afford to send less of their money...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jan 14, 2009 7:57 AM   
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...to China and India to buy "cheap" plastic crap?

So their fast-growing economies have somewhat sputtered, in tandem with Americans cutting back both spending and consumption of gas-er-lean? And the price of oil has fallen in response?

But you say that a limited resource, even when it's prices are low due to observable loss of demand, might rise again? Once demand is higher?

Amazing stuff that these learned journo-economists come up with. Truly amazing insight.

I file this article under D for Duh.

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Cheap oil is bad for the environment
Posted by: kwshanno on Jan 14, 2009 8:31 AM   
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There will be no push towards alternative fuel sources as long as oil stays cheap. There will be no public outcry and the only new technology that might be advanced is the misnomer of "clean coal." Many of Obama's large campaign donors were energy companies, the democratic debates were sponsored by the coal industry. Psuedo-liberals got the president they wanted and will now sit back and watch while "Yes we can" turns into "No he didn't." Now is not the time to be passive, it is the time to remain active, perhaps even more becoming more active participants in a government that will hopefully be more responsive to its citizenry than the Bush regime was.

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Oil and global warming
Posted by: PaulK on Jan 14, 2009 9:02 AM   
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Oddly enough, cheap oil is in the very short run good for avoiding global warming. It keeps the rich world from running to coal and the poor world from cutting down forests for fuel.

In the long run oil supply will level out with oil demand. Economics claims that one fuel will be replaced with another fuel as needed until things balance out.

In the very long run (maybe not long at all if the Arctic methane release keeps accelerating year after year) this planet is going to cook, we're going to lose most of the earth's species, and the hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts and floods are going to be stronger.

As a planetary coalition of governments, we will care which fuels we use. Solar, wind, geothermal and the other renewables will be subsidized. I'll include algae biofuel as a renewable if it ever works, because algae can theoretically double in mass every 24 hours and so it doesn't require 9/10 of a gallon of oil to produce a gallon of alkafuel. Coal and burning forests for fuel will be taxed and demonized. We must tip "free market" economics away from subsidizing big oil with $15 billion a year and away from local building inspectors demonizing solar home innovations just because the jerks don't understand it.

There will be a truly black market in untaxed coal and charcoal over much of the world for a while, because it's so easy for any individual to cut a branch down and burn it.

Our world's best hope is to drive down the cost of solar and wind technology until the profitability of mining the world's more inaccessable remaining coal and oil deposits drops toward zero. For example, cutting the cost of wind electricity generation in half has a long-term worldwide impact, as opposed to a national tax or subsidy which only has a short-term national impact.

The only problem with funding "new technology" is that for my money, the little starving guys have 2/3 of the best ideas, while the big corps have the best lobbyists. A smart government could get around this. However, I'm still a skeptic as to whether we have a smart government yet. Good luck, Mister President!

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Klare Proves It
Posted by: Dixie Dawg on Jan 14, 2009 9:06 AM   
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If you take an idea, mash on it enough, any and all theories, presupostions, openions, hunches, guesses, or theoritical spasms can be made to sound plausible and true if not eternally binding and most certainly bleak.

This four pager sounds like the old Fram oil filter commercial. A greasy faced car mechanic guy faces down viewers with the ragged challenge.
" You can pay me now or pay me later."

But, ya know, we all gotta know by now that "this ol world runs on sex a gasoline."

Cheers

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» FRAM was right...and so, Posted by: jvaljon1
It's the Usual Suspects
Posted by: ron heringhauser on Jan 14, 2009 9:10 AM   
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Go to You Tube and Type in Lindsey Williams, he's a minister who worked for the power-elite oil barons in Alaska. They told him how oil would hit $50.00 a barrel by the end of 08, and that was in June of last year. The international bankers, control just about everything on this planet and are in the process of designing a One World Government and those of us left after their eugenics programs will be here to serve them.

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No commentary on oil futures?
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jan 14, 2009 10:08 AM   
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Something interesting has occurred recently regarding oil prices. Brent Sea crude, which is an inferior grade of oil compared to light sweet crude, has been priced higher (sometimes as much as $10 a barrel higher). Reason? Bent Sea crude isn't priced on the American futures market.

The huge run up of oil was certainly helped along by traders buying up the long side of futures contracts. Now we have some deep pockets manipulators taking the short side of the contracts and forcing down the price. Who are these manipulators? Money center Wall Street banks like JP Morgan are likely suspects with the help of the Fed.

Problem is, countries like Russia aren't going to take being screwed by Wall Street and the Fed lying down. Watch for some craziness in the American financial markets due to some counter manipulation.

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» RE: No commentary on oil futures? Posted by: MyLeftFoot
Tax it at the Pump
Posted by: jmmartin on Jan 14, 2009 10:12 AM   
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For ages now, I have advocated a sliding scale of at-the-pump gas taxes to (1) reduce consumption, (2) force guzzlers to pay their fair share, and (3) fund repairs to the infrastructure so that we don't have any more collapsing bridges like the Minneapolis disaster.

Those who want to drive dinosaur SUV's should pay a gas tax based upon the weight of the vehicle so that a family with a Honda sedan pays a lot less than someone rumbling about in a Humvee. Alternatively, these taxes can be based on estimated mileage ratings, though these are less precise than axle weight. Waivers could be issued upon strict proof that a particular vehicle, e.g. a van or pickup, is used for non-personal, small business purposes (and the weight restrictions would not apply at all for 18-wheelers, semis, and vehicles used in commercial shipping).

The mechanics of it can easily be worked out, e.g. with stickers placed on windowshields. It chaps my butt when I see some idiot in a big SUV, say, an Escalade, driving down the street with only one occupant. These gluttons should pay their fair share and, in so doing, encourage limits to driving as well as purchase of gas-sparing transportation.

Can you believe that the Bush administration actually signed into law a provision for tax breaks for those who purchased Humvees? Disastrous, as was everything else about that sap's presidency.

But, hey, who am I but the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

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» RE: Tax it at the Pump Posted by: YogiBear
» Idiotic Posted by: gellero1
I would think higher oil would...
Posted by: JP510 on Jan 14, 2009 10:23 AM   
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be more politically stable, but I guess I'm wrong. If oil went to $15 I could imagine a foreign country dependent on oil be forced to do something about it or face serious economic consequeces. Easiest way to make oil go up? War?

If you are concerned about oil going up, there a lots of ways now to avoid the pain. With all the new ETFs you can easily gain exposure to oil/gas. For personal use you can use sites like gasbuddy.com and petrofix.com to minimize and risk that you would have to rising prices. It just seems like there are a lot of tools that we did not have in the past to deal with rising prices.

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» RE: ETF's Posted by: Dboy
» RE: TF's Posted by: JP510
More of the same capitalist propaganda
Posted by: grindermonkey on Jan 14, 2009 10:26 AM   
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This article is warmed over nonsense from the Bush administration and their pals at the commodities exchange. Has no one come to grips with growing rumor that US demand for oil actually declined during its most significant price rise last year? Has anyone checked the actual US refinery production and seen that it has remained unchanged since 1980? When the supply and demand myth was sold for the thin soup it has become some suggested that the newfound profits for the oil companies be invested in new refineries. Did this happen? No. Simply because their current production met demand. Think back to 1974. There were lines at the gas pumps then but during this latest price run up nobody has had to wait in line. The supply and demand argument is for unobservant people in extremely rural situations - think Antarctica.

The "supply and demand" model became corrupted at the commodities exchange in 1929. The phrase itself is a meaningless riddle presented by economists and industry sycophants at Congressional hearings. Competition between oil companies by lower pricing is non existent in the oil business. When one company's price rises to $5.00 they all do. "Well, they all buy oil from the same well!" This is probably the case and if it is then the industry is rife for nationalization or extinction.

The only competition taking place is between large concentrations of cash vying for deflationary protection at the money market level. This tendency of cash to stagnate or compost or rot unspent in banks and vaults worldwide ultimately produces the kind of currency cannibalization and destabilization that we are witnessing. Why do you think they color it green?

Bailing the situation out, adding more money, makes no sense. The Comptroller of the Currency should be acting in some way to free up this log jam of cash.

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» Oil demand dropped by 5 percent Posted by: ReallyBearish
"Did speculation fuel oil price swings?"
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Jan 14, 2009 11:26 AM   
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60 minutes Jan 2009

"About the only economic break most Americans have gotten in the last six months has been the drastic drop in the price of oil, which has fallen even more precipitously than it rose. In a year's time, a commodity that was theoretically priced according to supply and demand doubled from $69 a barrel to nearly $150, and then, in a period of just three months, crashed along with the stock market."

"So what happened? It's a complicated question, and there are lots of theories. But as correspondent Steve Kroft reports, many people believe it was a speculative bubble, not unlike the one that caused the housing crisis, and that it had more to do with traders and speculators on Wall Street than with oil company executives or sheiks in Saudi Arabia."

Same with the food crisis. Is it still the high price of oil driving food costs? Is it biofuel? Is it higher demand for food? or is it mostly speculator-fueled manipulation of the international commodity markets, esp. the futures markets?

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» He didn't talk about the other side Posted by: ReallyBearish
The Oil Scene
Posted by: WyrdSister on Jan 14, 2009 12:13 PM   
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more from Kunstler:

"Many were stunned this year to witness the parabolic rise and fall of oil prices up to nearly $150 and then back around $36 by Christmas time. Quite a ride. I said in The Long Emergency that volatility would be the hallmark of post peak oil because it was obvious that advanced economies could not absorb super high prices and would crash in response; that at some point after crashing, these economies would respond to the new lower oil price, resume their cheap oil habits, and build to another price rise. . . and crash again. . . in a declension of ever-lower industrial activity.

What I probably didn't realize at the time was how destructive this cycling between low-high-and-low oil prices would actually be in the first instance of it, and what a toll it would take right off the bat. We can see now that our first journey through the cycle took out the most fragile of the complex systems we depend on: capital finance. As a result, a huge amount of capital (say $14 trillion) has evaporated out of the system, never to be seen again (and never to be deployed for productive purposes). It will be harder for the USA to rebound from the grievous injury to this crucial part of the overall system, and Europe has foundered similarly -- though the European nations are not burdened to the same degree by the awful liabilities of suburbia.

Even if these advanced economies -- throw in Japan too -- remain moribund, the price and supply prospects for oil look ominous. My own guess is that the price of oil has overshot on the low end just as it overshot on the high end, and that, when all is said and done, we'll still see an upwardly trending price line over the long haul. The plunge, which began right after the $147 peak in July 2008, was as much the result of banks, hedge funds, and individuals dumping oil investments and positions to raise cash as it was a matter of the markets predicting a sharp fall-off in economic activity (and supposedly oil consumption). The truth is that demand destruction for oil in the USA has been surprising mild compared to the drop in price. Jim Hansen's Master Resource Report says that gasoline consumption dropped from 9.29 million barrels a day in 2007 to 8.99 million barrels a day for 2008. That's not much of a fall-off, especially compared to the price drop.

As Julian Darley of the Post Carbon Institute put it recently: "There won't be any energy bail-out." And, as many other people have noted, the recent plunge in oil prices strongly implies future supply destruction, since so many planned oil projects have been suspended or cancelled because they are economic losers at $40-a-barrel (or even $70). Even projects well underway, such as Canadian tar sand production, have been scaled back or shut down because they don't make sense at current prices. Some of these other newer projects will now never get underway -- they have missed their window of opportunity with so much capital leaving the system -- and so the hope of offsetting very-near-future depletions in old giant oil fields looks dimmer and dimmer.

Those depletions are very serious. For instance, Mexico's super-giant Cantarell oil field, the second-largest ever discovered after Saudi Arabia's Ghawar field, has shown a 30 percent depletion rate in the past year alone. (Pemex had forecast a 15 percent rate entering the year.) Cantarell provides over 60 percent of Mexico's total production, and Mexico is America's third largest source of imports -- just after Saudi Arabia (#2) and Canada (#1). Obviously, Mexico soon will lose its ability to export oil, and as that occurs, America is going to feel more than pinch -- more like a two-by-four upside the head. In short, remorseless depletion is underway and we are less likely now than even a year ago, to make up for it.

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» RE: The Oil Scene 2.0 Posted by: WyrdSister
Pricing Oil in Euros? Has Anyone Considered This?
Posted by: stina723 on Jan 14, 2009 2:27 PM   
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In Nov or Dec 2007 Business Week, there was a tiny paragraph about OPEC meeting to discuss pricing oil in euros instead of dollars. does anyone have any thoughts on this? I think this could be a possibility. Also the US dollar would be f@&#ed if that happened. With the Fed printing $$ nonstop for all the bailouts, there is huge wave of inflation coming our way. This could possibly be the tipping point... Just curious what other people think might happen if oil is priced in euros?

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congressional logic
Posted by: sonofloud2 on Jan 14, 2009 3:16 PM   
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Congress is mulling a proposal to pay people to get rid of those old gas guzzlers sitting in their driveways.

Under legislation introduced Wednesday in both the House and Senate and called the "Cash for Clunkers" program, drivers could get vouchers of up to $4,500 when they turn in their old fuel-inefficient vehicles for scrapping and buy vehicles that get good gas mileage.

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It's these selfish morons who are destroyed the planet with their suvs and now we are going to reward them for being stupid enough to buy them in the first place???

Leave it to Feinstein to come up with this one.

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» RE: congressional logic Posted by: badkitty
» RE: congressional logic Posted by: FreeAmerica
You believe all this drivel?
Posted by: moonerone on Jan 14, 2009 4:01 PM   
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I just read 4 pages of the most regressive bullshit that I have read in a long time.... The way this guy believes all these "government" stats he might as well join Bush on his long awaited departure and hopefully never pop out of his pigsty. He seems to forget, as any good regressive does, that mankind is gonna survive anything thrown at us because we're resilient and determined, smart and quick. It takes those kind of attributes to move on and leave this world a little better place... something the neo-convicts want no part of. Just like us those who stick to the oil addiction he mentions and use it as their main income will soon change just like we are in the process of. That's the key... it's a process, not a magic trick or denial delusion. The problem with oil costs is that the big guys cry poor mouth and our government gives them more tax breaks and FREE leases on OUR land and seas. When's the last time you heard about all those royalties WE, the American people, are owed? We don't need more of this kind of bleak prediction especially from someone who believes anything we're told by our government.

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oil prices
Posted by: Oemissions on Jan 14, 2009 9:31 PM   
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47,000 Americans KILL themselves and each other every year on the roads and streets.
Automobiles are weapons of mass destruction.
The NOISE and choking exhaust are beyond tolerable.
Unregulated use and a huge automobile company lobby has created the worst MONSTER we have on this planet: TRAFFIC.
Please get rid of it.

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Because of
Posted by: Tate on Jan 15, 2009 2:23 AM   
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Because of the unstoppable gas price hike there are some people who would just go biking going to work for them to lessen their expenses on gas. Nowadays, people must be creative on how they are going to lessen their expenses. Gas prices may not be so high that it sends people running for payday loans, but the trends that started when the prices were high continued as the floor dropped out of gas prices. When gas prices started to climb over $3, there was a hike in the amount of people that were using public transportation, a trend that has continued even after the prices dropped again. People have just gotten used to buses, and it certainly is more convenient than driving – you don't have to deal with traffic as much, you don't have to fill up the bus, and you don't have to change the oil, filter, or the tires. The consumption of gasoline has fallen so much that the gas commissioner is considering raising the gas tax, because the revenue from gas taxes goes to pay for highway construction and repair projects, and the revenues have fallen far enough to worry them. Check out this article for more about payday loans and how gas prices have affected the country.

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Oil profits
Posted by: divetrader on Jan 15, 2009 5:01 AM   
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The oil companies have all been making record profits under the Bush administration. The US government has been more than happy to give them concessions at the expense of infrastructure. It is time to take back what they didn't earn.

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The Onion on gas prices' return to normal
Posted by: fanny666 on Jan 16, 2009 10:18 AM   
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The right path
Posted by: FreeAmerica on Jan 17, 2009 12:31 AM   
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The author's point is fairly valid. If prices stay low, then production, investment, and eventually inventories will fall to the point of scarcity. At that point, we are again vulnerable to price swings, and restoring production will be long coming.

We saw this under Clinton late in his term when gas went to 99 a gallon. We lost about half of the small refineries in the country, and thousands of oil exploration companies. The result was concentrating the gas business to a few big players, and their subsequent market manipulations.

This time around when we lose all of those companies, they will not be replaceable because of the hellish gauntlet of ridiculous environmental regulations and outright harassment by green groups.

Until alternative energy becomes viable in the free market on it's own merits, we need gasoline. It is the root of our prosperity. Shutting off the pump before there are alternatives is like writing checks because you are going to apply for a job today. It is pretty stupid.

Well, here we are, and the results of our stupidity is environmental nightmares like ethanol and oil sands. Good job little green buddies, you made it worse again!

With the concentration of players in the oil industry the market is easily manipulated. We saw that last summer when the speculators ran it up, and then when it crashed when the rats abandoned ship trying not to be the last ones out.

As that was going on, the regional cartels were marking up gas way beyond normal margins, and delaying pump price drops in response to market drops. Who is going to stop them, the competition? LOL The competition is the 5 companies who's CEOs golf together on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

In the end, the point of the article is valid. Too low of oil prices can cause a lot of problems.

What we need is reasonable regulation to provide more competition and a more tempered market. That will cover the short term. Obviously clean energy and high efficiency is the real long term path to take.

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