Pro-Israel Rally Attended by Big-Time NY Dems Descends into Calls for 'Wiping Out' Palestinians

It's astonishing that presumably intelligent people could really be this stupid. They accuse Palestinians of hatred and lethal intentions while expressing hatred and lethal intentions towards Palestinians. They bemoan antisemitism, but can't comprehend the connection between Israeli aggression and attacks on innocent Jews.

Given the nearly 100:1 disparity in mortality, the devastation of infrastructure and homes, the blockade of food and medicines, the disruption of water and sewer services and savage attacks on paramedics, doctors, aid convoy workers and other humanitarians, how can any sane person pretend that the Israeli response is proportionate?

One can bet this footage will be shown endlessly in the Muslim world, and had the roles been reversed it would have been shown endlessly in the US.

Politicians who claim to favor peace and coexistence but stoop to racism, warmongering and polarization, whether Jewish or Muslim, are exactly the problem and prevent a solution.

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Why are all those good patriotic Americans wearing the flag of Israel around their necks?

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They are becoming exactly like the very people their forebears suffered under in Nazi Germany... thinking themselves somehow better people than anyone else, seeing themselves as "God's wrath" personified. They are pathetic and their acts are criminal. These cheerleaders in NY and elsewhere see to it through their lobbying that the flow of weapons will never diminish, the war will always play on.

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Thinking about it from the Israeli perspective that is clearly the strategic aim of the Gaza operation. We can't be so naive as to not realize that. They may pretend to be in reaction mode and simply defending themselves but we are indeed naive if we believe they (the Israeli's) are that naive. I wish the Palestinian militants would realize this. Unfortunately for the Palestinian people they are the only ones who are reacting without forethought of the consequences.

Israel hopes to further infuriate the militants giving them the needed ammunition to further their genocide via ethnic cleansing. This is such an extreme view it is casually dismissed by the mainstream media and others in polite debate. Nevertheless, I'm convinced that it is the case and this idea must now dominate Israel's long term planning.

The Palestinian genocide is becoming one of the most blatant in history but it is happening slowly enough that no one dares to point it out. Let's start calling it what it is.

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We hear it again and again: the jews aren't dying in enough numbers to make the war fair. This isn't 1939: jews learned from that experience. Jews and Israel are not going to wait until it is too late. Israel protects itself aggressively and so it should.

Direct your anger at the United Nations, who should have done the following on day one: Ban Ki Moon should have called a press conference. He should have said the following: "The United Nations orders a full cessation of hostilities by both sides in this conflict. (he then calls up a video screen). I now have 5 brigades of peace keepers and peace makers waiting beside a fleet of Galaxy heavy lifters ready for deployment on my orders. On my orders, the peace talks will also begin in Helsinki where we will continue until both sides have signed up for a comprehensive and lasting peace. I say this to both Israel and the Palestinians: the United Nations has spoken with one voice, I have the brigades ready to deploy; I await the ceasefire starting tomorrow morning at 9 am. Thank you."

Now that would be real action for peace; all else is just meally mouthed terrorism enablers and lovers.

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I'm an American critical care specialist teaching and practicing in Dhaka, Bangladesh. My patients are the poorest of the poor, living on less than $1 per day, severely malnourished, and overwhelmingly Muslim.

Obama's election was celebrated here, but he's already become quite unpopular because of his support for Israeli aggression and war crimes, as well as his hawkish stance in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The opportunity vouchsafed him to repair our image was squandered in an ill-considered moment of obeisance to AIPAC and considerably longer silence.

When people juxtapose the sentiments expressed at this rally with the horrific carnage in Gaza, should we be surprised that most people in the world don't like us, and that some actually come to hate us enough to give their lives to take revenge?

But as long as we adhere to the puerile black-and-white, us-and-them victimology, the nexus of cause and effect will elude us, and with it the opportunity to break the cycle.

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After six decades it must be time to recognise that the strategy of challenging the racist settler state militarily has been a failure. Israel is still there, and the only weapon that can get rid of it is democracy. Fruitless military attacks have not won majority support in the West - and in particular in the USA where a turn against Israel would finish it. Continuing demonstrations at the borders of Israel by thousands of Palestinians demanding to reclaim their own homeland would have a great deal more impact than home-made rockets aimed randomly. As for democracy, two million people in Israel were born there and have every right to the vote. Four million forcibly excluded also have every right to the vote. And four million neither born there nor descended from anyone born there have no right to even be there, let alone vote. The disenfranchisement of people who belong in the territory now held by Israel, and the enfranchisement of those who belong back in their own countries because they didn’t immigrate legitimately, is one of the most scandalous assaults on democracy since the Boer regime in South Africa.

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If they love isreal so much, then why are they here in USA.

I think when people who thinks like them and thinking killing men,women and children is ok? it is no different then the nazis or any kind of extermists. It makes me sick to my stomach that they think they are the victims when they are not the ones who are being killed and innocent children blown up.

They forgot their own religion belief THOU SHALL NOT COMMITT MURDER and since they think it is ok to kill the palentines just shows me they are not who they claim to be.

I know not all Jewish people think like these people think. Since I have seen videos of Jewish people standing up and asking for peace and stop killing the Gaza people, but these people stand up and rejoice for the deaths of innocent people. Cant people see who is actually for peace and who is actually for WAR?

And why are they here if they love Isreal so much.

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That was a most disturbing piece of video.

What irony.

The raw blood lust seemed intoxicating.

This footage will also serve as a reminder to future generations.

Peace and love

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It was said by a famous Jew that people could not serve two masters, because they would cling to one and despise the other. With these self-described dual-citizen Israeli-Americans (nominally American), I guess we know which is which.

It should also be noted that two wrongs do not make a right, might does not always make right, ends do not always justify means and stooping to the level of your enemy is never justified.

Cliches aside, this is a prime example of why the US should disallow dual citizenship, and strictly keep a separation of church/synagogue/mosque and state. Make that a wall and a moat in the case of these crazies.

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I think that "Pro" either side is horrible and disgusting and we should grow up, stop taking sides like a bloody football team and get BOTH of these groups of people to act like humans. There is NO RIGHT SIDE HERE.

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The behavior of New York politicians in this war fills me with despair. It's as though AIPAC poisoned their water coolers. Mayor Bloomberg actually went to Israel to show his support for the war.

Recently, two of my neighbors (friends for years) got into a loud argument in a coffee shop. The Protestant friend asked the Jewish one why their was so little consideration for the Palestinians, and she replied there was no such thing as Palestinians, Golda Meir herself said so.

So my Protestant friend consulted our Protestant Palestinian friend (yes, expelled from her home as a child) who explained to us that this is some rationalization that permits Holocaust survivors and their relatives to commit aggression toward Palestinians while still seeing themselves as victims.It was important for them to see the desert as "empty" to claim the land for themselves.

Our president-elect does us no favors when he imagines his little girls on the receiving end of a Hamas rocket. I'd feel better if he could see that all these children are victims, the Palestinian ones no less than the Israelis.

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First, I have to say I am extremely disappointed in my elected officials - who are supposed to represent ALL of us - attending a rally like this. The right thing to do would be to go to a pro-Palestine rally and make the same speeches.

The way to make all this stop and to forge a lasting peace is to stop taking sides. Then cut off all aid - financial and military - to both sides. Any country found giving this aid would be subject to severe sanctions. Insist that everything needs to be on the table and nobody gets anything until a peace agreement is worked out. Insist that there will be a price to pay if the agreement is broken. Otherwise, this is never going to end.

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The media keeps talking about the break in the repug ranks, there many Dems ,like myself, who have as much aversion towards the 'DLC' as we do the Neo cons.
This band of Repug Defectors infested our Party during the '80's and have carried on many of the Repug Platform claiming it to be a Democrat platform. When I think of the crap that has been pulled on the Ameircan people for the last 30 yrs, I include the Clintons and their lap dogs in the DLC.
Schummer does not surprise me, but Patterson does...Obviously Blind, but also appears to have fucked his brains out. What person of color would wish such discrimination (genoicide) on another group?
I don't support Hamas, Nor the Israeli Gov't, but I do support their citizens. This is an Atrocity.Any Politician in this country who supports the actions of the Israeli Gov't is Recklessly endangering US!
Seems to me the Proof that Obama intends to take another tactic in regards to this never ending conflict comes from the fact he refuses to discuss what he would do. 'can't have 2 Presidents at one time', Means we can't be speaking Two differnent policies.
Obama relative silence on the subject indicates he disagrees with the current stratedgy, but is Unable to do anything about it at the moment. He would have no reason to avoid commenting If his view was exactly the same as Bushes. His 'silence' is evidence of a dissenting view.
The Israeli Gov't may be facing the First pres in decades who is finally sick of their Shit and not willing to turn a blind eye or continue funding their bloodthristy politics.
Not all American "LOVE" Israel, or really give a shit what happens to them when they go off on a rampage. In fact many of US are sick of being the 'Fall Guy' just so they can CLAIM they are a soveriegn country -Hard to be 'soveriegn' when you have no real exports and depend on your 'big brother' for your very existence.
Peace is a Democrat Platform, unconditional 'Pro Israel' is the platform of Neo cons and their sociopathic Religious 'right' constituents.
Either these 'Dems' figure out what it really means to be a Democrat, or Go back to the ship they jumped off nearly 30 yrs ago.
Dems support a 2 State solution, which means israel had better make concessions, otherwise they are cut off just like the Other Terrorist Gov'ts.

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The Jerusalem Post reports on that Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu has written a letter to Prime Minsiter Ehud Olmert informing him that "all civilians living in Gaza are collectively guilty for Kassam attacks on Sderot....Eliyahu ruled that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings."

"No moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians"

How are Zionists any better than the Nazis?

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I live in Asheville, NC. We had someone named Danizer from AIPAC come here to the Jewish Community Center.....for Israeli Solidarity. A lot of half-truths and evasions. I left when one of the panelists referred to the Palestinians as wandering herders. It is very dangerous when a lot of people in a nation believe that God has singled them out for a Holy Land.
Liberal Jews were also there and the one sitting next to us left long before I did. It was truly disgusting.
The only good thing is that it shows the wind is shifting in favor of the Palestinians and Israel is getting desperate. Sending AIPAC to a town the size of Asheville? Newsweek subtly showed huge pictures last week that showed the sadness and disproportion to the Palestinians.

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I'm an American Jew who is disturbed and disgusted with what Israel's doing in Gaza. Yesterday I attended a silent vigil calling for Israel to stop the killing and agree to a ceasefire -- at the same location that the pro-Israel rally took place.

When I saw the headline on this story "Pro-Israel Rally Attended by Big-Time NY Dems Descends into Calls for 'Wiping Out' Palestinians" I thought it was going to reveal that speakers from the platform called for 'wiping out palestinians' while prominent elected officials stood by.

Instead, the "reporter" found some rabid ant-Palestinians in the crowd. Yes, it's alarming that there are people making such extreme statements, but the elected officials who spoke can't be held responsible for them and the headline shouldn't be written to imply that they somehow stood by silently when those views were expressed.

Please, let's please use some basic journalistic standards here, or we descend into the same swamp occupied by the far right and it's hysterical "reporting."

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This, leads to this.

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this audience exclusively Democrats. This is exactly the kind of function I would expect right-wing Zionist hatemongers to flock to, and it appears they did.

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Congratulations. You found a bunch of pro-Israel whack-jobs. Gee, I didn't know they existed. I mean, the Palestinians don't have any.

Both sides have extremist lunatics and both sides have struggling moderates. Could your "coverage" have been more slanted?

I am no hawk, and deeply concerned by the actions taken by Israel in response to the Qassams; but I wonder how the US would respond to constant rocket attacks on its soil?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLIdxF-GHWw
a young girl say it all.hopefully all in gaza will relaize she is right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8
looking at these kids we have no futre with hamas.we are fighting now for our futre and for the palastine civilans.

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http://switch434-01.castup.net/ cunet/gm.asp?ai=434&ar=CH2News_2

close the space in the link before the word 'cunet'.

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...Cartoon Jihadis (you do remember the wee kerfluffle over cartoon depictions of the divine leader of their superstition? The death threats, the violence, and the demonstrations against free thought and speech across the so-called Muslim world? You'd have thought Rushdie was publishing again...). At least the "You say Israel", "We say Rocks" nitwits used original, albeit kinda dumb, American phrases, instead of borrowing from the cultists.

Definitely some disgusting stuff to hear from folks with an American accent mixed in there. And to have your senator there? Now wonder that body has a 14% approval rating. It really is a shame to see my fellow countrymen--even in these small numbers--behaving like M.E. rabble and Mob "Ayatollah" Dons.

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"Congratulations. You found a bunch of pro-Israel whack-jobs. Gee, I didn't know they existed.

that comment saved me . ...thanks to ninab!
Thanks for the heads up I almost forewarded that crap to my friends.
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Q:

"I wonder how the US would respond to constant rocket attacks on its soil?"

A:
USE your imagination

Here is a proper distinction..

Imagine a homemade rocket fired from disgruntled pot growers in Mexico who was angry at the American laws against pot.

....The rockets kill a dog near the border with Texas.

And the US sends jets and 500,000 tons of bombs on mexico's most densely populated areas.
Kills the guy's family next-door neighbors, everyone in their city, everyone in their country.

And all this, full knowing they could never kill the guy. Because the guy is an IDEA, And you cant kill THIS IDEA will bombs.

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The Occupation of Palestine in general and this murderous attack on Gaza in particular are political - not religious - acts. There are many Israelis and many American Jews who oppose this horrific onslaught. Were it not for the tone of some of your letter-writers, I wouldn't feel it necessary to point this out. I am connected to activist groups in Israel who are constantly demonstrating against this violence and the Occupation which is at the heart of the situation. And I have been demonstrating - together with Jews and non-Jews alike - against the American support that facilitates Israel's wretched policies. Anyone who noticed that the interviewer in the film was himself Jewish would understand that there are political, economic and military reasons at the bottom of it all, not the least the upcoming Israeli elections and the vacuum in American foreign policy.
Sue
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Incredible how much this rally resembled a crossburning.

Hate is hate, no matter who it's from.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree
The hasbara brigade strikes again! You always hear about Israeli attempts at media manipulation. Everyone knows it's going on but usually the process happens through cyber insurgents like those involved with Giyus (and its media monitoring software, Megaphone). Now, we know that the Israeli foreign ministry itself is orchestrating propaganda efforts designed to flood news websites with pro-Israel arguments and information.

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"But hatred was plentiful at the rally Paterson addressed. Right in front of the stage, a man held a banner reading, “Islam Is A Death Cult.” Rally attendees described the people of Gaza to me as a “cancer,” called for Israel to “wipe them all out,” insisting, “They are forcing us to kill their children in order to defend our own children.” A young woman told me, “Those who die are suffering God’s wrath.” “They are not distinguishing between civilians and military, so why should we?” said a member of the group of messianic Orthodox Jewish Chabad-Lubavitch group that flocked to the rally."

Just more proof that when they say "Never again!" they really mean "never again.... but only to us."

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It amazes me to see all the world wide protests against Israel's attempt to stop the terrorist group Hamas from firing rockets into civilian areas in Israel proper. Why aren't and why weren't there any protests against the rockets that keep falling into southern Israel. I think the world has to take a look in the mirror and ask itself if it is the usual antisemitism that presents this constant picture of Israel always in the wrong for defending itself. One only has to look at the United Nations to see the world wide hate against Israel. Thank G-d for the United States of America. I don't know why it continues to pay dues to this obvious biased organization.

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Hamas wasn't even conceived when Zionists ethnically cleansed at least 650,000 Palestinians in 1948. Since then, Israel has only one goal: Eretz Yisreal and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

"It's not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion." --Ben Gurion

"Take the American declaration of Independence. It contains no mention of territorial limits. We are not obliged to fix the limits of the State." -- Moshe Dayan, "Jerusalem Post" 08/10/1967

"Every school child knows that there is no such thing in history as a final arrangement -- not with regard to the regime, not with regard to borders, and not with regard to international agreements." -- Ben Gurion, War Diaries, 12/03/1947 following Israel's "acceptance" of the U.N. Partition of 11/29/1947
(Simha Flapan, "Birth of Israel," p.13)

"In strategic terms, the settlements (in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza) are of no importance." What makes them important, he added, was that "they constitute an obstacle, an unsurmountable obstacle to the establishment of an independent Arab State west of the river Jordan." --Binyamin Begin, (son of the late Menahem Begin and a prominent voice in the Likud party writing in 1991, Quoted on page 159 of Findley's Deliberate Deceptions)

Moshe Dayan:
"the settlements established in the territories are there forever, and the future frontiers will include these settlements as part of Israel." Dayan also stated that he "preferred Sharm el-Sheikh without peace to a peace without Sharm el-Sheikh". "From the point of view of the security of the state, the establishment of the settlements has no great importance.". Dayan's statements all quoted in Chomsky's "The Fateful Triangle" pp. 104-5. "Our fathers had reached the frontiers recognized in the partition plan; the Six-Day War generation has managed to reach Suez, Jordan, and the Golan Heights. This is not the end. After the present cease-fire lines, there will be new ones. They will extend beyond Jordan ... to Lebanon and ... to central Syria as well." -- Moshe Dayan to Zionist youth at a meeting in the Golan Heights July, 1968

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." -- Moshe Dayan, addressing the Technion (Israel Institute of Technology), Haifa. Quoted in Ha'aretz, 04/04/1969

"... we have no solution, that you shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wants to can leave -- and we will see where this process leads? In five years we may have 200,000 less people --
and that is a matter of enorous importance." -- Moshe Dayan encouraging the transfer of Gaza strip refugees to Jordan (from Noam Chomsky's Deterring Democracy, 1992, p.434, quoted in Nur Masalha's
A Land Without A People, 1997 p.92).

"It is an open secret that Israeli policy makers hoped for a massive emigration of Palestinians as a result of economic and demographic pressure. Therefore, they also developed a clever system which caused numerous Palestinians born here to lose their residency rights when they went to work or study abroad." -- Amira Hass in 08/26/1998 Ha'aretz Op'Ed titled The Settlers are Not to Blame.

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Or at least replace him with a anti-war Independent or else Schumer will keep laughing at you all as losers.

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Many NY politicians like Sens. Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton have been "bitches" for AIPAC and the Israeli apartheid majority for years. The tone of this rally should be no surprise whatsoever.

Former Pres. Jimmy Carter was absolutely right, for all his troubles and suffered scorn--the majority in Israel have been systematically trying to wipe out Palestinians with their horrific apartheid policies for years.

AND, some Palestinians and others have played right into that plan with their own stupid terrorism. Yet, much retaliation by Israel has been wanton destruction, injury and death directed against innocents, not that the Israeli majority, AIPAC or their scum-sucking supporters care. As with the policies of the Bush Admin., they just want to coercively teach everybody "a lesson.

Israel is an established country with a refined court system, and it can and should apply due process to these matters but, again, as with George Bush, "due process" is just a pesky inconvenience. It is a lot easier just to wipe out the "sand niggers" indiscriminately with tanks and guns.

THAT is what is going on. Shame on those jerks. Shame on the United States for tolerating and encouraging it.

H. Watkins Ellerson
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As a Jew I find Israel's "security" actions particularly reprehensible and heinous. However, there have been plenty of anti-Israel protests (with video) that reek of anti-semitism, and obscene hate.

It just keeps going round and round with no end in sight....

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If this were not so revolting, it would be disgusting.As it is, it is only horrifying and astonshing. I have runs out of "-ings".

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'The Middle': It is what defines tha vast majority of us on issues such as this. It is the position of rational minds that questions why this is even happening. It is the position of those who truly simply wish it were not happening. It is the position of those who more often than not, cannot escape what is happening. It is the position of those for whom I truly empathize on both sides of the conflict.

Hamas and Israel continue to play politics and war at the cost of human life. It's a disgusting display of our political human nature, and in that vein, neither side is right. Screw Israel. Screw Palastine. Mourn for the people in the middle. They are trapped. They are against the fighting. They are the victims.

The UN can't fix the hate, but as has been suggested above, they could stop the fighting - if they wanted to. It would appear however that they don't want to.

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Here's what I would do if I were Palestinian

1. Become an atheist so I could attack the very claim of Israelis to the land. So you say God gave you the land. Show me a Notarized Deed with God's name on it.

2.End all attacks on Israel and pass laws requiring all Palestinians to wear distinctive clothing. A spiffy blue and white striped suit with a yellow crescent moon comes to mind.

3. Change the name of every city and town in the West Bank and Gaza to names like Belsen, Sobibor, Treblinka, Dachau, Birkenau etc.

4. Erect gates at all border crossings from Israel into the territories with "Arbeit Macht Frei" written across them.

5. Hire Banksy to oversee a public works beautification program to paint the "Security Wall" with pleasant restful scenes on the Palestinian side. On the Israeli side, paint pictures of the towns mentioned in item 3.

6. Fund DNA testing of the Pushtun in Afghanistan to prove Israeli genetic links. Sue the Israeli government on behalf of the Pushtun for the Right Of Return. Think of the impact of 6 million Israelite Muslims all eligible for the Right of Return. If the government refuses to recognize their ancestry, lobby to change the Name Israel to Judea.

All these suggestions come under the heading of non-violent resistance. Feel free to add your own.

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That depends on why you choose to assemble in the first place. For instance, for those of us who believe that Iraq never should have been allowed to happen, well that particular 'right' is in question. Take to the streets for another country and it's just fine. The politicians even drop by. Isn't this OUR country. These people should go to Israel and dance in their own streets. Thanks, ANNA

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Israel has gotten away with its crimes against humanity for far too long!!! Let's end this now!!!

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There are no innocent Palestinian woman and children. Palestinians voted for Hamas. They knew that Hamas wants the total destruction of Israel. They knew and stood by when Hamas shot rockets into Israel. Know that Israel is defending itself. AS IT SHOULD. Now Israel is the big bad monster. Come on people wake up here in America. Do you think we would not do the same thing. If say Canada were shooting rockets into the USA. Every country when provoked has the right to defend itself. And this was the only way Israel had to fix the problem. Bottom line is Israel tried to be peaceful and gave the Gaza strip to the Palestinians. When they didn't have to in the first place. Israel did this to offer a peaceful solution for the Palestinian people. What the Palestinians are getting now from Israel is WHAT THEY DESERVE! Palestinians started it. Israel is going to end it. And I don't feel the least bit sorry for the Palestinians!

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"Wipe them all out!" Gee, lady, you looked old enough to remember, maybe, guys in brown shirts saying the same thing seventy years ago in Germany!

"They are forcing us to kill their children to defend our children!" That guy is one sick, sick pup.

And what about the young man with long blond hair whom Max Blumenthal asked "How's Israel kicking Hamas ass?" Geeze Louise, that kid could be a poster-boy for Aryan purity!

All I can say is: Right wing citizens of Israel and Jewish-American sympathizers stop using the Holocaust as an excuse for your racist, genocidal crimes!

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זהו זמן טוב עבור כל הגברים סביר מצפון כדי nuke קיומה של ישראל כפי החוצה, הם העבירו את הטלאי הצהוב מעט מן החזה שלהם כדי להיות armband וכל שהוא מייצג.

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The rules for this religious war are simple: Hamas is dedicated to wiping out Israel and any Jew it can hit with rockets targeted strictly at civilians and with suicide bombings. Where were the objections to this? None. Just like sending the Jews back to Germany in WWII.

Disparity in the death count is a given, since Hamas uses civilian sites from which to operate.

As far as wiping out Hamas, what choice is there?

Of course there are innocent victims in a war.

Stopping the war will take a spiritual breakthrough, not political solutions.

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“They are forcing us to kill their children in order to defend our own children.”???

Smacks of Nuremberg.

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There are reports that geologists have discovered over 1 Trillion cubic feet of Natural Gas Deposits off the Gaza coast. You'd think the Palestinians are Native Americans.

How dare those bloodthirsty savages live on top or OUR land.

Here's a different perspective from Santee Sioux poet and AIM activist John Trudell. Speaking with the voice of 10,000 years.

Using Humans To Feed Being To The Machine

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Quotes from the demonstrators like "we have to wipe them all out" do not express thoughtful views of humanity. This is how our friends and allies solve problems as a result of Bush's foreign policy. After Iraq, what moral standing do we have to oppose the kind of atrocities Israel is committing?

In the face of the support of powerful people in Congress like Schumer, Lieberman, and others, the Obama Administration has its work cut out for it. What is needed here is some real arm-twisting by the U.S. to get Israel to find a more peaceful solution to its problems. Can you imagine the response of the so-called pro-Israel lobby if Obama tries to get tough with Israel?

It is beginning to look like Israel has become so belligerent and racist that it will not be able to consider any realistic peace agreement. At some point the world will have to demand an end to this hateful and inflammatory situation. I think the UN will have to occupy the entire area an enforce an agreement.

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The fact, under what America is supposes to stand for, "Free democracy". It is the right of any citizen to express himself willingly under his right of freedom of speech, period. We as Americans can not believe that the colors of the American flag are solely red white and blue, our color do bleed into the colors of the world. Our flag embraces all nations under God and this is what we were once greatly appreciated for. Now, is not the time for us to fall apart by the mirage of distraction? We are all being tested again, did we not learn our great lesson from the previous administration and the entire BS that came with. It is not over yet, but we need to really evaluate the safety and futures of every American citizen. We have a very big project ahead of all of us here. Let’s focus! I am not Jewish or Palestinian, but just a realist Human being. I do know, that many of the major money making institutions in this country are influenced by the Jewish community. The big but here is....Corporations not the American representation. Greed and finical security through past historical insecurities can not be the motive and the driving force to our success. We as a nation of freedom can not be influenced and lured into an insurance plan that we really didn't sign up for. A separate organization from new government change needs to be established to prevent the commingling of lives and death. It all starts in our back yards and it needs a good cleaning as we speak. A new change is awaiting, we need to stay focus remaining loyal and committed to new progressive equal change.

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Let’s learn the truth that the squatters – Hamas – and associates do NOT own the land in Gaza, but Israel does. Here are the facts, and if anyone questions them, just go to my forum at http://jude3.proboards92.com/ A Free-Speech Forum For All and leave me a PM and I will get back to you:

Whose Land Is It? A Study of The Land of Palestine

INTRODUCTION:

Land title research in many areas is a very difficult task. In Mexico, the titles to farm land are so clouded it can take years to adequately search them. In some places the granting of title to land by a legitimate granter can go back over 3,500 years. One such place is the land of Palestine where current occupancy has no relationship to whom holds title.

Even some of the most famous buildings in the land of Palestine are actually squatters on land to which others hold title. The most famous instance of this is the Temple Mount and its squatter mosque that sits on the site of the ancient temple of ancient Hebrew kingdom and belongs to the Hebrews. This mess with many occupying land as squatters for which others hold title makes for an untenable position when the rightful title holder takes back his/her land, especially so when it is centuries later.

The present situation in much of Palestine is like the battle between the squatters and the owners, titleholders of land in the old west in the United States; to wit, squatters wanting to continue to squat and land owners wanting their land back. However, some additional situations enter the picture since many of the land owners - their ancestors - were forced off the their land by the Romans and by later Caliphs. Now of course the rule of law should be applied and the squatters finally brought to their day of reckoning with reality, they have no title to the land they are on.

To read the remainder, go to,

[go to] http://jude3.proboards92.com/index.cgi?board=islam

And then to the article, “Whose Land Is It? A Study of The Land of Palestine”

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Schummer is an anti-Arab racist. Pure and simple. Does anyone remember the whole Dubai Ports World fiasco? That whole shamble was a big racist lie started and perpetuated by......Chuck Schummer. Facts never entered the discussion, only Schummer's racist rants. I'm surprised at Patterson, I expected more from him and he really should know better. But Schummer....he's just a racist pig and should be run out of office on a rail.

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What needs to happen is for Hamas to stop lobbying missiles into Israel. Israel has a right to confront an enemy who has shown that hostility for the past few years, hundreds of times. The fact that so many Palestian Innocents are being killed and wounded lands on the shoulders of the cowardly Hamas who are using them as human shields. Why haven't the Palestians stood up to those cowards, and report them and where they are, and turn against the ones who are using them as shields? That would go a long way toward shortening this war and saving a lot of innocent Palestians. It is in the hands of the Palestians to take action against the Hamas to help themselves. If they don't care to do that, well it tells us whose side they are on.

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No matter what your position is on the Gaza invasion, the reporter was waaaay out of line.
instead of asking questions he chose to use his penis as an analagy.
if it were up to me, he would lose his penis.
he asked illogical and unanswerable quiestions.
i am sorely disappointed in alt.net to encourage this.

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These "innocent" civilians are responsible for their government. They elected Hamas and support Hamas.
Saying they are innocent is akin to saying Germans were innocent of Nazi terror. Sorry, the only innocents there are those under the age of 7.

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What happens when you drop bomb after bomb on a densely populated civilian area? It most likely will go up into flames right? It is a war crime to even threaten such a thing let alone do it. Let's face it, America, much of the US population just like much of the Jewish population of Israel want to kill off Arabs and Muslims because they are full of racial and cultural hatred of them. The film gives an honest portrayal of what these people are actually like.

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In NY public schools honor Jewish religious holidays. They also, at least in some schools, if not all, cater to Kosher diets. I know of no other group that gets this kind of treatment. St Patrick's Day-there are more Americans of Irish or mixed Irish ancestry in the U.S. than any other ethnic group-but St. Patty's Day off, forget it.

I would doubt seriously no politician in or around NYC, Long Island, or anywhere in New York beside the upstate semi-wilderness can get elected without Jewish support-both money and votes. And the Jewish citizens of New York (and Israel) choose to live in the U.S. They do not choose to live in Israel, where due to Israel's policies of aggression, is not a particularly safe place to live, not to mention the economy of that country being in a constant state of struggle as can be expected of any small state on a permanent wartime footing.

It is easy for Jewish-Americans to be aggressive concerning Israeli policy. They are not subject to the consquences of the policies they favor, the rocket attacks and suicide bombings. I have little doubt that they would not want to live in Israel for many other reasons as well, but they can cultivate a fantastical, idealized connection to their ancient homeland (since 1948) even though most would not have an ancestor from the Middle East for at least two thousand years or more.

Previous persecution in some cases undoubtedly contributes to this sense of victimhood. The shrill, often irrational, positions adopted with regard to Israel seem very much linked with the paranoid constructions associated with victimhood. Most of the defenders of Israel's intransigence in any kind of genuine negotiations, its regular incursions into its neighbors territories, its indulgence in what is undeniably collective punishment of civilian populations (i.e. mass murder on a small scale), and its self-defeating foreign policy cannot resist the inclination to cast Israel as the "victim" in all cases as absurd as that is.

The defensiveness about all things Israeli may arise for another reason as well. Like the U.S. Israel was created from stolen, ethnically cleansed land. Israel's legitimacy is the elephant in the room always. And a point in which supporters of Israel are extremely touchy. Israel also embodies many characteristics of a racist society, one of the key sticking points in any negotiations with the Palestinians is the Right-of-Return, a point which the Israelis refuse to even allow on the table for discussion. The sometimes near hysterical leaps in logic by Israeli-Americans at least partially result from the sensitivity they feel and suppress with regard to these issues. Think of the uproar of Israeli-Americans, AIPAC, the ADL, etc., when Jimmy Carter, the only American President that ever did anything positive for Israel, when he used the term apartheid to describe the relationship between Israel and the Palestinians. A "lady doth protest too much" moment?

There are many, many Americans, who are Jewish, who do not subscribe to this, however. Like the German-Americans that fought the Nazis in WWII, they are Americans. Period. Even among those who sympathize with Israel, there exists nothing like the animus seen among those showing up for these kinds of demonstrations, who apparently cannot get through life without this strong identification with a foreign state in which they do not live and cannot imagine beyond fantasy what actually living there (vacations don't count)would be like. Obviously, in the realm of reality it isn't all that attractive.

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Gov. David Paterson appeared on stage wearing one of the red hats distributed to demonstrators. He then sought to tax all red hats in New York state.

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It's particularly disturbing to see elected representatives
use their platform to advance positions in total disregard for a substantial segment of their electorate. Schumer, Patterson and Bloomberg were elected to represent ALL the people. Bloomberg's trip to Israel to show solidarity with Israel, endorsing a genocidal action, was inappropriate, his personal interests notwithstanding; his position takes up the cause of his own ethnic/religious affiliation and ignores the other point of view that argues against the decimation of a civilian population. We are now learning about the use of white phosphorous in these brutal attacks; the effects are not unlike those of napalm. Will Israel be held accountable for its crimes against humanity?
This used to be America - what happened?

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How Fundamentalist Christians & Jews View The Palestinian People

The link above is very, very important in that it shows you exactly why this issue will never be "peacefully" resolved. Those who support Israel "right or wrong" and have for decades upon decades, and raise millions of dollars to send to Israel, all have a core belief system.

That ideology is expressed time after time within the bounds of the link above. The people whom are being viewed as "extremists" in the video are viewed as naturally good decent people by most New York Jews and Israelis.

Democracy Now had an interview Friday that was a debate between an ex Clinton member of Jewish faith and an Israeli, naturally also of Jewish faith. When Amy asked if the people of Israel "supported" the attack on Gaza, the Israeli interviewed expressed that overwhemlingly "yes," they do! He himself expressed that he did not however. He is however a minority voice in Israel.

People here on AlterNet whom support Israel "right or wrong," can make up all of the excuses in the world as they do. I have set by and watched the actvities here and people get censored daily. However one thing is certain, the truth will and does come out.

Germany was bomed into the dirt for their actions. When are the bombs going to drop on Israel?

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this video went offline on the two sites that hosted it. i wonder if i will be attacked next. it was posted on jan 2, it comes from gaza and it shows the aftermath of a isreali mislle/artillery round landing in a rowded public space. there are many dead children and parents. near the beginning of the video we see a dead parent with a dead child and a near dead toddler lying ontop of him.
http://simulacra.tv/GNN/isreal/isreal_attacks.html
hidden war video click here

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that Israel thinks of itself as the victim here. This is a nation that from its inception in pre-biblical times considered themselves the Chosen People of God, while also being constantly tested by God and waiting for someone to rescue them (the Messiah). The ancient leaders of their faith made sacrifices to God and lived in bondage and travelled in the wilderness to a Promised Land, which they had to fight for even in the beginning. They then abandoned this land as they moved out into an ever expanding world.

Then in the late 1940's, the Allies offered them the land that was modern day Israel as compensation for the Holocaust. Great idea, except that it meant displacing thousands of people who were living there at the time and who were not responsible for the Holocaust or WWII. The Allies did this out of what - guilt, christian largesse with someone else's property, political expediency, WHAT? What reason could possibly have driven them to do this, instead of re-patriating them to the nation's from which they had been removed nearly a decade before?

In 1968, the Arab world had reach its limit with the arrogance of these "settlers" who were backed by the US and its Allies, and tried to help those refugees who had been displaced to get their homeland back. The Arabs got their butts kicked in 6 DAYS, and yet we still treat Israel like some defenseless child. We give them better weapons than their neighbors, and yet we act like they will not use them. When Armadinejahd threatens them with annihilation, we threaten back for Israel because of our Jewish citizens, who have dual citizenship. Tell me, do we threaten back when our other national immigrants' countries get threatened? NO, we do not, nor do we arm those nations to the degree that Israel is armed.

So, here is my take on Israel: You have overstepped the bounds of both your God and your place in the world. You have become the arrogant, abusive little dictators who would rule the Middle East, and you are well on your way to causing Armageddon, which means we all lose. You deserve to be left on your own now - YOU ARE ALL GROWN UP NOW! You must learn that actions have consequences, and if you are unwilling to stand up for yourself, alone, then you are nothing more than bullies who deserve everything you get, and the United States has an obligation to all HER citizens to not engage in this kind of destructive behavior any more - either directly or indirectly.

As for those cowardly Israeli-Americans who want to fight for Israel, get your passports and a ticket, and get your sorry asses over there to put your actions where your mouths are!

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Shame on the New York Dems for taking part in this abomination. Isn't it ironic that the very people who whine the most about discrimination and persecution should be the very ones to be so quick to jump on the poor, oppressed people of Palsestine. The solution to this mess? Move the borders back to pre 1969 boundaries. Give their land back. You didn't like being without a homeland. Why should the Palestinians accept it?

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Ignorance and right wing ideologues all blend together and sound alike, whether they wear yarmulkes or the robes of the KKK.

"Wipe them all out," is the rallying cry of all these maniacs, be they Jews, Muslims or southern fried Baptists.

I'm forwarding a copy of this video to "Hatewatch" at the Southern Poverty Law Center
just for the irony.

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These are difficult days, made even more difficult by the war mongers on every side. Why can't people understand that war is stupid, obsolete, and only perpetrated by ignorant people. The conflicts in the middle east have been going on for centuries and still nobody stands up and says, "STOP!!! This is stupid! Nobody gains anything by killing."

It seems simple but it takes brilliant people who really use their mental skills to bring reason to the world.

Take Jimmy Carter, the only peaceful ex-president, who has tried ever since he left offfice, to bring peace to the world. And what is the response from our illustrious members of Congress? They shun him and deny him the podium at the convention. Shame on all of them and we must show that we as a nation believe in peace. Write, call, email or see your representatives and demand that they work for peace in the world.If they don't understand that, refer them to Dennis Kucinich. He alone understands that peace is the solution to the problems that face us all.

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While two wrongs never make a right, it fascinates me that while Hamas calls for death to all Israelis/Jews continually, when supporters of Israel retaliate it's considered 'beyond that pale.' Who gets to write the double standard????

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I think a decisive victory along the lines of America's defeat of the Native American populations would ultimately be the best method for peace over there. Could you imagine an America where we were still fighting the Indians on occasion?? Especially since there'd always be a revival in "we were here first" mentality. Look at those racist Mexican people who want total freedom for illegals over here and want Cali to be Mexico again. I wasn't born in a country where I get rocket attacked for nothing and bombs are always going off (it seems) and killing people with whom I am friends. And, I do not feel any "white guilt" towards Palestinians just cause I want to show sympathy with Muslims over there because we killed all those Iraqis for nothing (probably more Iraqis than Israel's killed Palestinians). America hasn't cared about their problems for 60 yrs. And I suspect in 6 months, noone will care still. Get off your high horses.

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1) "The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country."

-- Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service.

2) "We must expel Arabs and take their places."

-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

3) "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."

-- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

4) "The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple."

-- Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997.

5) "(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."

-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

6) "There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

-- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.

7) "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."

-- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.

8) "Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."

-- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

9) "If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel."

-- David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).

10) "There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."

-- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

11) "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."

-- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

12) "Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen."

-- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961

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13) "This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy."

-- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971

14) "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"

-- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

15) " create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat."

-- Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)

16) "Palestinians are beasts walking on two legs."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

17) "The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."

-- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.

18) "The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country."

-- Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service.

19) "The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple."

-- Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997.

20) "Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."

-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

21) "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more"....

-- Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

22) "If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000.

23) "I would have joined a terrorist organization."

-- Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.

24) "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."

-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse.

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Seems fairly obvious to me that this attack was carefully timed to present the new Obama regime with a horrific fait accompli, which would drastically narrow his already narrow options on this conflict. Hamas, fellow travelers and Islamic Jihad, a non-Hamas group, have been ineffectually rocketing nearby towns for about two years. Why a full scale assault now? Basically, this is the Israeli security complex, with Israeli politicians, running behind them and trolling for votes among chronically (and justifiably) scared Israelis, charging in to a disaster of their own making for short term gain. The goal is to tie Obama's hands or perhaps to remind him that verbal subservience to Israel isn't enough - actual support for aggression is required. The other goal is to tip the election to Kadima, although a Likud victory works out OK for the Zionist/security ruling elite - Oh yes, there is one.

The goal for Schumer, Patterson and Bloomberg is to keep the campaign contributions flowing, so much that each can afford to play kingmaker, buying the allegiance of others by tossing the money around before the next election. And using it to clobber candidates whose support for "Israel" (meaning Israel's rulling elite) is insufficiently militant.

So, here at home, the pay to play political game goes on. In Gaza, whole families are butchered because, even though the IDF called them first to warn them of incoming rockets, there is no place for them to go to get out of the way. The perimeter of Gaza is sealed.

Under these circumstances it doesn't matter that the behavior and philosophy of Hamas is medieval, violent, retrograde, fanatical and anti-humanitarian, at least in some aspects. All true, but not relevant. Stalin's rule was repugnant too. Did that justify Hitler's invasion of the Soviet Union? Actually, not a few Americans, including George C. Patton, believed it did. There are lots of these people still around, in new forms, new guises and with new dual loyalties. There isn't much difference in worldview though.

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25) "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."

-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

26) "Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

27) “I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
— Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon

(28) “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."

— Rabbi Yaacov Perrin (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6)

This last comment is in question as to it's authenticity. Though no doubt Begin and thousands like him feel and live this racist sentiment we don't want to get nipped by the minutiae and therefore discredited.

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."

— Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin

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Gaza is Sinking in a River of Blood: A Message from a Gazan to the World

by Mohammed Fares Al Majdalawi

I want to write about the suffering of my people and my family in these days of siege against the people of Gaza. 888 people have been killed and more than 3700 injured. The Red Cross has accused the Israeli military of repeatedly refusing to allow ambulances to go to Zeitoun area, so those who are injured become those who die; a premeditated and purposeful violation of human rights.

In my house we can't get basic needs. No food. No bread. No fuel. No future. Yesterday, my father went to the bakery at 5 AM. He waited 5 hours to get one loaf of bread, which is not enough for my family because there are 11 of us. So today it was my turn. I went to all the bakeries -- all were closed.

There is no safe place we can go. We cannot communicate with our relatives and friends -- networks are down as missiles rain on our homes, mosques and even hospitals.

Our life is centered around the burials of those who have died, our martyrs, At night our camp, Jabalya Refugee Camp, is a ghost town, with no sounds other than those of Israeli military aircraft.

There is a horror in every minute and it is clear especially in the lives of children. For example, there were five sisters in one family killed from the Israeli occupation while they stayed in their home. But there are 800,000 other children in Gaza, all afraid, all waiting for someone or something to help them. They are caught in a prison that is becoming a concentration camp. Every day we sleep and open our eyes to the Israeli crimes of killing children and women and destroying civilians' homes. My words are unable to convey my feelings about this life in Gaza.

I have two messages to the world, to those who claim they love peace and seek freedom.

Imagine your life consisting of no electricity, destroyed homes, the sounds and strikes of missiles, day and night, and the only hunger as great as that for food is the hunger for an end to this occupation and siege. Imagine it is not just you but your children and your family who tell you through their eyes and cries: "We are afraid of the missiles." "We cannot sleep." "We may never sleep again." Imagine you are the dam and the river of blood has turned into a flash flood. How long could you stand it?

We wouldn't have to stand it any longer if the world stood with us. If they demanded an end to the siege and the killings and demolition of houses for our children. If they demanded assistance reach the people through rallies and sit-ins.

Finally, I invite you to come to Gaza and see the Holocaust. Because despite the siege, the barriers, the killing of my people and homes, and the total destruction of our lives by the Israeli occupation, they can not and will not kill the will of our people for equality and justice.

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Unbelievable! Hatred has no place in NY? What the phuck are you doing behaving like that then? I live in NY and I hate the Republican/Jewish/Devil-in-Drag-pseudo-Xstian party and the quisling Democrats who run with them. Schumer . . . whatever respect I had for you based on your masterfully managed political persona—IS GONE. I will work against both of you in every way and at every time that opportunity presents itself to do so. I am half Jew so I have a modicrum of mercy for the people but I loath the state of Israel for what it has become. Without the unwilling support of our taxes Israel would not be funded and armed enough to thwart the wishes of its own citizens and the obvious wishes of a majority of American and of the citizen of the world without. Barbara Bush is said to have remarked that more Americans are ruled by a Bush than not. It appears that more people are killed by American arms or funding or discretely denied or aid blocked funding than by all other causes combined. No? Hummmm. A connection? Recent figures seem to indicate more losses to suicide than to combat in our military coterie . . . Hmmmm . . . UNBELIEVABLE!

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Something here needs to be clarified for the issue of fairness.

1. The Palestinian people have no military of ANY kind!
2. A "militia," Hamas is not a military!
3. The Palestinian people have no airforce!
4. The Palestinian people have no army!
5. The Palestinian people have no marines!
6. The Palestinian people have no navy!
7. The Palestinian people have no special forces!
8. The Palestinian people have no nuclear missles or bombs!
9. The Palestinian people have no Military Industrial Complex defending them nor supporting them!
10. The Palestinian people have no country or countries directly supporting them by sending in their military forces!
11. Lastly the Gaza strip is not a country! The Palestinian people have no country! They live under occupation. What was their nation at one time, was forcibly taken from them, and naturally what followed was, The Holy Bible has been used along with the Torah to justify it!

The Palestinian people may as well be Native Americans with bows and arrows and sling shots!

Israel has a VAST military infrastructure composed of every WEAPON of MASS DESTRUCTION available to decimate a country and frankly I am of the opinion that, if Israel could completely eliminate the Palestinian people without damage to their country, they would! They would drop a Nuclear Bomb on the Palestinian people if they only could get away with it! Unforunately for them, the Palestinians live too close to Israel!

Moreover what has become vividly clear, is that those who sympathize with Israel would instantly justify it!

To all of the supporters of Israel and Zionism the question is,

How much is your soul worth?

Triumph

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The author claims that old lady wants to "wipe out" the palestinians. But neither the quote, nor the edited video make it clear WHO she wants to wipe out, Hamas or the Palestinians. It's a big difference and the author is obviously trying to avoid telling us her full quote. Maybe 'cause it doesn't fit the narrative

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Oh Brother. How self righteous. Let me ask you Max Blumenthal, if you are this joker who interviewed these people. Do you live in America? The land we stole from the natives?What a bleepin' hypocrite.

To equate circumscism with a father slashing his daughter's face: There's some thoughtful reasoning there.

While I think it is terrible that schools are being bombed, what about some outrage about the types of cowards who would hide being children in schools?

Where is the outrage against a religion that is the most repressive regime against women all over the world? That is the Muslim religion and you can make all the snarky comments you want and pontificate in your Ivory Tower. Another out of touch hypocrite with "selective compassion."

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Want balance? Go to aljazeera.net. The human race is just plain vicious and brutal. It's in the genes, and is a survival trait from when there were sabre tooth cats, whooly rhinos, and the like. The genes may change in time, but in the meantime, we're by far, the nastiest species on Earth.

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Five major positions have been developed for a long-term resolution. The twin right-wing "holocaust" solutions of driving the Jews into the sea or driving out or killing the Arabs have both been gaining traction as the struggle becomes more intractable. The "transfer solution", re-annexation of the West Bank by Jordan and Gaza by Egypt, is supported by Syria and Turkey but not by Jordan. The “left wing” solution, with growing support among both Jews and Arabs, is for Israel and the territories to be merged into a single democratic state of all its people, with equal rights for all and special privileges for none, like all other modern industrialized states including the United States.

And then there is the “middle way”, the “two state solution” which has been the mainstream position and until recently was supported by a majority of Jews, Arabs and the international community, and which finds expression in the institutions of the Palestinian Authority (or PA).

The current crisis, brought to a head by the ruthless assault on Gaza, has triggered the collapse of that middle way, of the belief in the possibility of a two-state solution, and of the legitimacy of the PA. This was long coming, brought on by the continuing seizure of Arab land and property over the past 40 years by settlers with Israeli military support, the draconian measures taken by Israel over the past 18 years to crush what was initially a spontaneous Palestinian uprising against the occupation and land seizures, and by the open-ended support by the United States for Israel’s actions, most blatantly during the Bush years. It has been brought to a head by the election of a Hamas majority in the Palestinian elections of 2006, the ousting of the PA from Gaza in a civil conflict later that year and the suppression of Hamas on the West Bank, and by the construction of "the wall", which amounts to a huge land grab. The assault on Gaza was the coup de grace. We need to understand this and not to try to reopen a position whose time has passed.

The collapse of the middle way creates a very dangerous situation. All of Arab Palestine, including the Arabs of Israel, is united in outrage at the assault on Gaza. Israel has responded with the banning of the Israeli Arabs’ political parties. Calls for the expulsion or even killing of all Arabs are becoming commonplace, acceptable political discourse in Israel - and in the United States. The next inevitable crisis will come when some Israeli Arab, driven by rage, despair and a lifetime of humiliation, commits an act of terrorism.

The struggle for an “Islamic State” that excludes the Jews is a repulsive dead end that only serves to validate the Jewish supporters of "ethnic cleansing", while the “transfer solution” splits the Palestinian people, destroys their hard-won nationhood and leaves 1.7 million of them inside Israel and East Jerusalem as second-class citizens and outcasts, an untenable outcome. Progressives in Israel and Palestine - and throughout the world - need to understand that the only way forward is the “one state solution”, a single secular state for all of Palestine, and a peaceful end to the “Jewish State”.

Our defense of the people of Gaza must not blind us of the need to repudiate all calls for an Islamic State or a war against the Jews. Those who reject the two-state solution must be drawn into a credible democratic and progressive alternative to Hamas. Thus it is time for the Palestinians to morph their liberation struggle into a civil-rights movement, united across the political boundaries erected by Israel, modeled after those of South Africa and the US. Their ultimate success, their very survival, will depend on sustained international support and pressure on Israel by the people of the world, most especially by Jewish progressives inside and outside Israel and by Americans.

Chris Horton

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whether Christian, Muslim, or Jew.

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a sickness unto itself.

Suddenly 'forgive them Father, for they know not what they are doing'
renews its eternal center of gravity.

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When Hitler wanted all Jews removed from the face of the earth and did everything he could to accomplish this, the world responded by attacking Germany and eliminating Hitler.

Yet we now see Israel doing all they can to eliminate every single Palestinian from the face of the earth, no matter how old or young they are, with lethal weapons.

What short memories by Israel - - along with The US - - of what it was like to get "eliminated".

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We will, as many millions of Americans, help all those who seek to wipe out terrorists like Hamas for good, and help end their murders of innocent civilians worldwide. They are a serious threat to us all and they will pay for their attempts to destroy Palistine and Israel. And, AlterNet's biased support of Hamas is regretable and wrong and undermines America and all free countries by supporting terrorist groups like them, all over the globe.

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Are those who hide behind children as Hamas does and all terrorists do.

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I applaud Max Blumenthal for his daring entry into this rally, and how he handled the voices of disconnect to the real world.
I had always wondered where Senator Schumer stood on Israel. Now I know too well, and Gov Patterson as well. Quite shocking.

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You voted for Hamas. So don't act like your suprised that this is happening. You made your lemonade, now drink it. It is the Palestinians fault. All of you, women an children all are responsible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The war of Israel against the Palestinians is really the US against Iran. The Bush administration has been salivating over the idea of bombing Iran back to the stone age and has taken advantage of Israel's desire to wipe out the Palestinians to start the shooting. While the US, failing economy and all, pumps billions in weapons into Israel, the pro-arab countries like Iran smuggle supplies into Gaza. When are the American people going to wake up? Our government is willing to go bankrupt,lose what little respect we have in the world and risk a nuclear war to back Israel's genocidal war of aggression just to keep an ally in the Middle East? This is nuts!

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The US got this one right.

Israel and MANY other nations got it wrong

Down with theocracies or even the apppearance of theocracies

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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guess who danced on 9/11.
danced danced danced on nine eleven.

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On both sides of this conflict male children are welcomed to society by a painful, non-consensual, and pleasure-reducing genital amputation. On both sides of this conflict females are largely relegated to the background as decreed by revered scriptures.

Start respecting basic human rights and acting a little more civilized if you ever hope to enjoy peace and prosperity.

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...that states that (and I paraphrase) "more Jews have not been killed because God is watching over them,and He protects the good people." Where was your God during the Holocaust? I guess the six million were not very "good" and/or God must have been to busy to notice their demise.

Do we need anymore proof than this video that religion of ALL flavors is the root and reason for most evil in the world.

May both religious sides eventually wipe each other out to the last person standing so we can REALLY know whose God is most righteous, the is the one TRUE God.

The people in this video are sick beyond belief.

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(apologies for the tangentially related post)

Israeli Spy Pleads Guilty ... but receives no prison time.

Unfortunately, this is neither new nor isolated. Israel has been caught spying on the US more than the USSR ever was.

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and instructs all MSM/PBS/NPR to make sure the wet, very uncomfortable stench we've been subjected to is nothing, but a figment of our easily distracted imagination.

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I apologize in advance for these words which, I acknowledge, are cynical.
I am bemused by the "two sides" attitude regards this issue...if there were a single Palestinian and a single Israeli starving to death in the same hypothetical situation and one individual had a single pole while the other had a single hook, the two would fish together to survive.
To the Israeli supporters here (so called) I would suggest that you examine your motives. Are you simply parroting what you hear on Fox Spews? Do you actually know the history and reality of this situation?
To Palestinian supporters here (so called) I would suggest that you recognize: an Israeli child bleeds the same color blood as us all.
To both "sides" here (on this safe virtual-world chat board) I would suggest that neither really knows a "bloody" thing about it.
To take sides in a conflict that essentially has nothing to do with us is pointless... we need to go live in the prison-camp that is Gaza or go live on a kibbutz, go spill some blood in those desert sands- and THEN form an opinion.
Often there is more going on "behind-the-scenes" in these long, protracted, seemingly unreconcilable conflicts, fueled by forces we can't even see let alone comprehend. I would wager a bet that this conflict is as much perpetrated and prolonged by a manipulative media which feeds it for nefarious reasons that NONE of us can fathom (don't rule out the third party in this conflict; namely the rapture-right crazies who are invested in it up to their nutty little eyeballs).
This conflict draws so many opinions because it is safe. Who here is bleeding? My, how mankind still dearly loves a good fight!
If I'm wrong; if this conflict IS "ours" to comment on then we're all fools, a world of fools. As we all roll up our sleeves to slug it out over a sand-hill our world is sinking into the mire of our own self-destructive indifference to the real issues confronting this beleaguered planet!
This conflict will end when there is an event even worse than these current events; when something even more catastrophic occurs to bring both sides together (to fish) in a mutual common fight for survival. Don't worry about it, that event is coming. Soon these people will learn that if they don't unite to survive than they will perish divided...in the end it's up to them, not anyone here.
BTW:
Has anyone asked about the timing of this most current incident? Hmmm: just in time for a world-blazing-in-aggressive-disarray backdrop for the Obama inauguration (I would also question the timing of the economic meltdown but that's for another conversation).

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Bravo, Max Blumental! The murderous Israeli smashing of Lebanon was cheered on by the arrogant ignoramus in the White House, and he is up to the same game with the current slaughter of innocent Palestinians in Gaza. The Democrats in the main are stooges of Aipac and therefor encourage Israeli stupidity as a matter of course.

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The issue of proportionality is one of the most popular when arguing about the Israel/Gaza conflict. Here's another interesting question of proportionality: why are people so much angrier about dead Gazans than they are about dead Iraqis? After all, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed and that blood is on America's hands! Furthermore Gaza provoked Israel with real rocket attacks, whereas Iraq never provoked the US with anything.
Steve Selverston

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The world cheered when holocaust survivors fought a war to carve out a country for themselves in 1948. The world cheered again when Israel repeatedly fought off multiple attackers. Now the Muslims are using the strength of their numbers (over a billion) to preach and propagandize Jew hatred around the world. They can't tolerate to have a tiny little island of non-Muslims in their midst. The Israeli Jews are tolerant. Israelis live with Muslims amidst and all around them. They live with suicide bombers, they live with rocket fire until they can't take it any more. Muslims can't tolerate Israel. They want to wipe Israel out and push the Jews into the sea. Israel is so tiny and it is surrounded by enemies --- Map of Arab World

Leave Israel alone and let my people live in peace.

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Suppose you have unlimited wealth and power and you want to totally control the world.
You advance your agenda by fomenting conflict between opposing forces. When they are sufficiently weakened, you take control of their money by instituting a central bank under your control.
Your last and most daunting task is to subjugate the Islamic States that forbid usury.
You institute a century long plan by funding a radical group that advocates a Jewish homeland and appeals to the most paranoid and tribalistic of that group.
You create their antitheist by having oil rich sultans under your control fund the radical Wahabists.
You insert this fly into the Mid-East ointment and wait for it to explode.
Synthesis.

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Now, with respect Palestine there is a scripture all should consider, 1 Peter 3:11, “Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.” (Authorized King James Bible; AV).

But neither the Ishmaelites – Hamas, nor the Hebrews – Israelites are considering it. Strange as they are both descendants of Abraham, one by Ishmael and one by Issac.

Now, even though the Ishmaelites control over 98% of the Middle East, they are greedy for the less than 2% of the Middle East belonging to their brother tribe, the Hebrews – Israelites. This is NOT the way for the descendants of Abraham who walked with Almighty God (YHWH) to act.

Why is this? It is because neither is walking with the TRUE GOD as did Abraham, but both are being mislead by none other than Satan the Devil per 2 Corinthians 4:4, “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” (AV).

In fact, the Ishmaelites instead of pursuing peace in accordance with what Jesus (Yeshua) the Son of God said at Matthew 22:37-40 said, “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” (AV).

This is clearly shown by what one Australian Newspaper said, "Did you know that 90-95% of the conflicts in the world today are Muslims fighting non-muslims or each other? " [source - The Weekend Australian, November 26-27, 2005 AD]"

However, what the world needs is peace, not war. So clearly we can see that the Ishmaelites are in a false religion not walking with Almighty God (YHWH), the God of Abraham; nor are the Hebrews who do not recognize his son, Jesus (Yeshua), anymore than the Ishmaelites.

All need to be showing love for neighbor by exposing false beliefs that are ruining mankind by misleading him from walking with the True God of Abraham, Almighty God (YHWH).

To learn more, go to:

http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/ An Educational Referral Forum

And going down to:

DISCUSSIONS AND EXPOSURES, and to subject Exposing False Belief A Loving Act

Iris89

PS: If any want further information and/or to discuss with me, PM me on above forum!

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A real sadness can be found, in how, through fear and self deception; Israel has become the Fourth Reich. Somehow, a peaceful way back home for Israel; must be found by the rest of us. Those enablers of violence, who gathered in New York; need to relinquish the pockets of a delusional Jewish lobby in America. This, not because of some future Karmic retribution; but rather to heal from eight years of living in the spiritual void, America has become.

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I felt sick to my stomache when I saw this mass psychotic crowd dancing in streets of NY, intoxicated and partying for the killing of hundreds of civilian Palestineans by their fellow Israelis in the IDF. I was also shocked to see a man of integrity like Sen. Schumer descending to this level of hypocracy, trying not only to defend the undefendable but also congratulating the IDF on its humanistic mass killing of innocent people. the very few Palestineans who have text-messaging service should be grateful to his fellow israelis for their kind reminder that they're coming to kill their families and destroy their homes; they could run and take shelter in one of the UNRWA schools so they make it easy for Israeli pilots and gunners to save some of our tax money by killing too many kids with just few bombs. For majority of Gazans who, thanks to 2 years of suffocating Israeli closure, have no drinking water, food, or electricity they have to sign up for text-messaging service so they can enjoy getting those IDF messages that "no other country does it" before they get killed. For those who can't afford it they should die happily knowing that there are people like our great senator who can't wait to see Israeli bouldozers removing their corpses and homes to make room for new settlements so new settlers can have their own homes and swimming pools while the Israeli politicians and Generals plan for the next self-defense war against new victims reassured by the senator and his fellows in the pro-Israeli lobby and our mainstream media that they will find perfect justification and unconditional support regardless of how many innocents they kill and how much land and water they will steal.
For Governor Paterson, I totally understand his support to a racist and terrorist state like Israel and his non-sense talk about the rise of Antisemitism for everybody knows that if he talks his mind then he can't keep his job even for few hours.

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HOW DOES ONE COUNTRY OCCUPY ONE THAT IS ALREADY OCCUPIED? AND THEN SYSTEMATICLY DESTROYS WHAT WAS THERE PRIOR TO THIER OCCUPATION,UPROOTING FAMILIES AND CLAIMING LAND THAT WAS UNTIL THE OCCUPATION FARMED AND CARED FOR BY GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE BEFORE THEM,ALL THE WHILE REMOVING THE RIGHTS OF THE VERY SAME PEOPLE TO EVEN OWN OR RETURN TO THE LAND?WHY IS DEFENDING YOUR RIGHTS AS A HUMANBEING BY FORCE WHEN NEEDED A CRIME? WHEN THE FACTS ARE PRESENTED INSTEAD OF THIS B.S. AND SANE OBJECTIVE PEOPLE REVIEW THE SITUATION AT LENGTH YOU WILL SEE THAT THE PEOPLE OF PALISTINE HAVE BEEN WRONGED ON EVERY LEVEL AND THAT THE U.S. IS ALLOWING THIS MADNESS TO CONTINUE TO ITS DETRIMENT.RACISM IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF THIS SITUATION NO MATTER HOW IT IS PAINTED BY THE MEDIA.THE FOUNDERS OF THE U.S. STOLE ITS LAND FROM THE NATIVE AMERICAN,BUILT THE COUNTRY UP BY THE BLOOD AND SWEAT OF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN AND HAS BEEN COMPLICIT IN THE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW IN GAZA.EITHER BY SUPPORT OR IN-ACTION.HOW CAN ONE BE BLAMED FOR FIGHTING FOR THIER LIVES?WHEN THERE IS NO SIGN OF HELP FROM THOSE WHO PROFESS FAIRNESS? THE SOLUTION IS SIMPLE,LEAVE PALISTINE AND MOVE TO THE BOUNDRY FROM 1967 RETURN WHAT YOU STOLE ISRAEL AND MAYBE THE PEOPLE WILL LEAVE YOU ALONE.

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I am shocked!! I am not shocked at the amount of the hatred, but I am shocked at the amount of stupidity!! Not even ONE person knows, wants to know, or admits it that why the Hammas is firing rockets? The simple fact of resisiting an occupation. Every single person there disregards the fact that Israel is an illigal occupier who has broken every single international law regarding occupied land, occupied population and human rights protected by the UN Charter and Geneva conventions.
I can't believe that even ONE person could not give ONE inteligent response to any question. They even did not know why they were there. They were only there to shout vengence and hate. Isn't that what everyone is condemning of the "jihadists"? What makes them to think they are any different of those jihadist militants? Then, just like that young girl they will turn around and scream "holocaust", "antisematism", "they are hating us" . . . As Fintan O'toole said this week "when is this mandate for victimhood going to end"??
Shame on these people! Shame on them, and more shame on the United States government for supporting them blindly.
As an immigrant, I am also shocked that how most of these people were immigrants trying to conduct a war from a host country. Why don't they go there and fight that holy war from there?

Now I am disguisted!

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Not only the US but the whole world needs to take a hard, stern, and pitiless look at the new authoritarian terrorist regimes springing up around the globe. It needs to be nipped in the bud. The nits being spawned by the lice need to be eradicated too in order to be effective in doing away with the lice. We need to support Israel and every other nation in this battle against slavery and the extinguishing of the lamp of freedom. We must release our high tech stock of weapons and ammunition for those weapons in order to prevail against terror. We must not fall into the trap of appeasement or negotiations. We must prevail and set our own terms. The alternative for our enemies must be total extermination for their culture and their people. There is no other way to win against this type of enemy. It is new, it is deceiving, it is satanic, it must be stopped before it grows beyond control. We must be prepared as a nation to risk everything in order to prevail. We must not be timid in the use of our overwhelming power to insure peace and democratic governments around the world. None must be allowed to survive, fester, and grow again into a worldwide threat.

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Hello from New York State : We are in utter disbelief over what is being "ALLOWED" to take place in Palestine ? Anyone with even a tea spoon sized piece of working gray matter can Obviously see what is unfolding before there very own eye's and it's disgraceful that a people with a History like the Jewish people, one would think they would be less likely to resort to the Old shooting fish in a Barrel Deal that the Nazi's were good for but then there is just so much wrong with what the Jew is doing that if we were in 1943 I'd say it was being done by none other than A.H. his self because the way that the Palestinian people are being treated by there Un-invited house guests is No different then the way the SS treated the Jew in 1940s Germany in fact I concider the actions of them to be one in the same and because of that they cry out to be punished the same way So instead of American tax dollars going to subsidized Housing for there settlements in Occupide land I say we send them Lead and a few smartly placed Bunker Busters !

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after looking at this you-tube,I can see why Israel is so insane. The government has so throughly brainwashed their people, to the point that they actually believe it is right to kill all Palestinians. this is a good example of mass brainwashing and group mentality. This is what happened in Germany with the Nazi's. None of these people have any intelligent explanation for the immoral actions of their israeli government.
I feel the Jews have become too arrogant and have become bullies. I feel that their right to occupy has ended and in fact, if they keep up their insane behavior they should loose all their rights to have a sovereign state.

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The world has gone utterly mad. Watching that vid makes me realize that for many people, there is no hope. They've crossed the Rubicon and may well never become human again. The rabid hatred I've witnessed in the last twenty years of adult life on the part of rabid religious and nationalist zealotry is eloquently expressed in Israeli-Palestinian venom and their toxicity. I thought 'Merkuh was bad.... no, 'Merkaaners are rank amateurs compared to this level of hatred and toxic victimhood.

The only ones worse than the Israeli and Palestinian whackos are the American Jews who so brilliantly exposed their illness on film and in the commentary here. I kept thinking throughout, this is what I witness when I see mentally ill patients in a psych ward when they're freaking out. Things were bad when I stopped going to temple... but people were not yet this demented, this far gone, this psychotic then. I'm with Avraham Burg. These cannot possibly be my people.

It's pure madness. The Dim-shitheads who showed up to speak should be forced to sit and watch the video and then realize what an alliance they've made.

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...at the irony that is Israel.

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Knuckle dragging Jews against Knuckle dragging Muslims. What a world. Some of the voices in the crowd were pretty embarrassing. Jewish writers like Blumenthal always relished holding dumbass, patriotic goyim up for ridicule by showcasing their neanderthal ignorant views on a range of topics from war and peace issues to the economy to abortion to the environment, etc. Now this is being done to the Jews and do we ever look stupid. I guess the only difference between goyish and Jewish neanderthals is that the latter has designer protective handwear to keep the knuckles from scrapping the ground. OK. Enough self-flagellation.

What I would have said in response to Max B., whose comparison of Jewish male circumcision with the face cutting of a young girl in Lebanon was a stupid one which he should have known better than to make, the Egyptian proposals for a 10 day peace treaty should get utmost support from the Jewish community, that high levels of civilian casualties are unacceptable and that negotiations with the PA, which includes Hamas participants is acceptable despite their refusal to renounce violence or officially recognize Israel. It is not acceptable for Hamas to attempt to sieze power violently by killing its Fatah rivals for political power, to attack Israel with rockets or spread hatred of Jews and attack them outside of Israel. Hamas also uses schools to make bombs (not under desks, moron in secluded areas of the buildings) in clear violation of international law. Such practices are human rights violations and indeed war crimes under the Geneva Conventions of 1949.

A cease fire is needed. The Gaza Disengagement might have succeeded but for Hamas violence. They need to accept Fatah leadership and allow Abbas to negotiate a settlement with Israel. The Gaza Disengagement was followed and preceeded by the demolition of thousands of Palestinian homes and an ever tightening stranglehold on the area around the Gaza Strip. Real disengagement can only proceed if security measures are taken which is impossible if Hamas controls Gaza. They will not succeed in "shaking the IDF" out of Gaza with violence. It will only expand the war. The PA and Israel must return to the peace table with the objective of continuing the peace process until final status arrangements. This is the only way to marginalize the rejectionists on both sides.

By the way, the cutting of the child's head in Lebanon was a Shi'ite religious practice. It is done by males to commemorate the slaying of Imam Hussein in the Battle of Karbala in 680 AD which is held to be the beginnings of Shia Islam. The tenth day of Muharram (the Day of Ashura or 10th in Arabic) is the day of commemoration. It is a solemn day of mourning for the martyred Imam and is often observed with bloodletting from the top of the head.

This is a real blood ritual. Male circumcision is not!!

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Peace is not just the absence of war, it is the active presence of a capacity for love and compassion, and reciprocity. It is an awareness that our lives are not to be lived simply for ourselves through expressing our individuality, but we confirm the purpose of our lives through the work of expressing our shared sense of community in a purposeful and practical way; to sustain our own lives we sustain the lives of others - in family, in a community of neighborhoods called a city, and in a community of nations called the world.
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I am bemused by the "two sides" attitude regards this issue...if there were a single Palestinian and a single Israeli starving to death in the same hypothetical situation and one of the individuals had a single pole while the other had a single hook, the two would fish together to survive.
To the Israeli supporters here (so called) I would suggest that you examine your motives. Are you simply parroting what you hear on Fox Spews? Do you actually know the history and reality of this situation?
To Palestinian supporters here (so called) I would suggest that you recognize: an Israeli child bleeds the same color blood as us all.

To take sides in a conflict that essentially has nothing to do with us is pointless.. we need to live in the prison-camp that is Gaza or go live on a kibbutz; spill some blood in those desert sands- and THEN form an opinion.
Often there is more going on "behind-the-scenes" in these long, protracted, seemingly unreconcilable conflicts; fueled by forces we can't even see let alone comprehend. I would wager a bet that this conflict is as much perpetrated and prolonged by a manipulative media which feeds it for nefarious reasons that NONE of us can fathom (don't rule out the third party in this conflict; namely the rapture-right crazies who are invested in it up to their nutty little heads).
This conflict draws so many opinions because it is safe. Who here is bleeding? My, how mankind still dearly loves a good fight!
If I'm wrong; if this conflict IS "ours" to comment on then we're all fools, a world of fools. As we all roll up our sleeves to slug it out over s sand-hill our world is sinking into the mire of our own self-destructive indifference to the real issues confronting this beleaguered planet!
This conflict will end when there is an event even worse than these current events; when something even more catastrophic occurs to bring both sides together (to fish) in a mutual common fight for survival. Don't worry about it, that event is coming. Soon these people will learn that if they don't unite to survive than they will perish divided...in the end it's up to them, not anyone here.
BTW:
Has anyone asked about the timing of this most current incident? Hmmm: just in time for a world-blazing-in-aggressive-disarray backdrop for the Obama inauguration (I would also question the timing of the economic meltdown but that's for another conversation).

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Remember how Palestinians and Muslims worldwide danced and cheered in the streets? I remember. I will never forget.

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Excuse me...metahope!
After 9/11 some of the first people to fill up their streets in SUPPORT of the US were the Iranians.
A few days later Bush included Iran in his evil axis-of-evil!

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Oh, yeah and P:S metahope...
...remember how 15 of the1 9 hijackers were Saudis? So why wasn't Saudi Arabia included in his evil axis-of-evil? Why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia? Oh, that's right, they're Bush'es business partners.

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...and metahope Can you really blame the Palestinians for their reaction? We're arming Israel to the tune of BILLIONS so outgunning Palestine (to the benefit of our weapon manufacturers) as to render it another war crime:

"The amount of aid the U.S. gives to Israel is unparalleled in the history of U.S. foreign policy. Israel usually receives roughly 1/3 of the entire foreign aid budget, more aid than all of Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean combined (excluding Egypt and Colombia).

This year, the U.S. Congress approved $2.76 billion in its annual aid package for Israel. The total amount of direct U.S. aid to Israel has been constant, at around $3 billion (usually 60% military and 40% economic) per year for the last quarter century. A new plan was recently implemented to phase out all economic aid and provide corresponding increases in military aid by 2008. This year Israel is receiving $2.04 billion in military aid and $720 million in economic aid there is only military aid.

In addition to nearly $3 billion in direct aid, Israel usually gets another $3 billion or so in indirect aid: military support from the defense budget, forgiven loans, and special grants. While some of the indirect aid is difficult to measure precisely, it is safe to say that Israel's total aid (direct and indirect) amounts to at least five billion dollars annually.

On top of all of this aid, a team from Israel's finance ministry is slated to meet with U.S. government officials this month about an additional $800 million aid package which the Clinton administration promised Israel (in addition to the 350 Million he pledged following a single visit in 1996). The U.S. also managed to find another $28 million in the 2001 Pentagon budget to give Israel to purchase "counter terrorism equipment."

According to the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise (AICE), from 1949-2001 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $94,966,300,000. The direct and indirect aid from this year should put the total U.S. aid to Israel since 1949 at over one hundred billion dollars. What is not widely known is that most of this aid violates American laws. The Arms Export Control Act stipulates that US-supplied weapons be used only for "legitimate self-defense."

Moreover, the U.S. Foreign Assistance Act prohibits military assistance to any country "which engages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights." The Proxmire amendment bans military assistance to any government that refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to allow inspection of its nuclear facilities, which Israel refuses to do.
To understand why the U.S. spends this much money it is necessary to examine the benefits for US weapons manufacturers and, particularly, the role that Israel plays in the expansion and maintenance of U.S. imperialism.

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All of our corporate media sources (including NPR) are effective propaganda machines for Israel. Any objective, educated analysis of Israel's actions over the last half century can only lead to the conclusion that Israel practices military aggression for territorial expansion, using propaganda, intimidation, and terror. They are in violation of more UN Security Council resolutions than any other country on Earth. Israel also has contaminated our so easily seduced political process by buying off politicians and attacking politicians who oppose their aggressive ambitions.
I have sent the link to Jews for Justice in the Middle East to many people and it is truely amazing how utterly suprised they are when they read an accurate history of the conflict, These are intelligent, superficially well-informed people.
One way to start the education process among friends is to send this link and to send them a copy of UN resolution 242 - the so-called Land for Peace resolution - which Israel is in constant violation of.
I am also sending these links to local television and radio stations.
Good luck.

TRC

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I haven't the slightest doubt that the Israeli hawks and their American cheerleaders are working their way up to using atomic weaponry against the Palestinians.
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If you are a bad person, a whining enemy or a strong-arm occupier, you are not my brother, even if you are circumcised, observe the Sabbath, and do mitzvahs. If your scarf covers every hair on your head for modest, you give alms and do charity, but what is under your scarf is dedicated to the sanctity of Jewish land, taking precedence over the sanctity of human life, whosever life that is, then your are not my sister. You might be my enemy. A good Arab or a righteous gentile will be a brother or sister to me. A wicked man, even of Jewish descent, is my adversary, and I would stand on the other side of the barricade and fight him to the end.”
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Hats off to ya Max.
I don't know how you do it but you manage to find some of the most delusional people. This mob in NY is as bad or worse as Hagee's minions at the CUFI rally, "Waiting for the Rapture".

I must admit I was REAL disappointed with Paterson. Schumer not so much, he's kind of a putz anyway.

jim's op/ed

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All that this video proves is that there are ignorant Jews just as there are ignorant people of every race, creed and culture. I'd be willing to bet the interviewer also talked to many intelligent, well spoken people at that rally, but didn't show any in the video because he's chosen to portray all people who support Israel as racist, religiously fanatical idiots.
I support Israels right to defend itself against terrorist attacks, but also condemn the settlements in the West Bank, and I feel for the Palestinian people who are suffering horribly largely due to the fact that Hamas hides its explosives and munitions in public areas.
I'd venture to guess that the vast majority of people supporting Israel have no such thoughts along the line of Palestinians needing to be wiped out or that rocket attacks in Israel comprise a "second holocaust". The young, ignorant girl who said that likely had that thought put in her head by her parents.
Regardless of what the world and the creator of this video think, Israel's supporters are not a bunch of bloodthirsty religiously fanatical Zionists.

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It is important to remember that although Israel calls itself a "Jewish State" it was founded by Zionists and is a a Zionist State. This is a subset of Judaism that believes Judaism needs a physical place to flourish. The only significant religion in the world that has that belief-not a terribly metaphysical concept. Judaism historically has tended to be humanistic- one reason Hitler hated them. Zionists consider that tradition too passive.
The tragic irony of Israel is that it has become exacty what Hitler wanted to turn Germany into, a white supremacist warrior state.Even darker skinned Jews suffer discrimination.
Toward the end of WWII, Truman and Churchill discussed the fate of Europe's surviving Jews. They agreed that they didn't want massive Jewish immigration into Britain or the US. Therefore the establishment of Israel fit their desires. The Zionists played along with this crass anti-semitism. Now unfortunately the Palestinians pay for sins of Hitler the US and Britain. This idea gives new meaning to why the US so vigorously supports Israel. Remember that the US refused to accelerate the acceptance of Jewish refugees during the war, with the State Dept-a WASP entity- throwing bureaucratic roadblocks in their way.

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Israel broke the ceasefire first when it in November of 2008, Israel commandos killed 6 Palestinians in a raid on a Tunnel. Two months before its end, Israel was shelling Gaza, Rafah and other Palestinian towns. Guardian: four-months ceasefire was broke by Israel. Israel has been besieging the Gaza Stripe before starting the invasion (206 people died because of shortage of food and medicine before the invasion) . Israel has started its war propaganda three months ago. Israel killed 40 Palestinian civilians and scores others were severely injured today as a result of Israeli shelling of a UN school in Gaza. The United Nations stated today that they actually informed Israel that it opened its schools as shelters for civilians since there was no place to flee to for many Palestinians.
Today, medical staff in Gaza said that more than 70% of causalities are civilians, mainly women and children, while the rate was at more than 60% yesterday. Hamas was elected by the majority of Palestinians two years ago and Israel is invading Gaza to change that reality and not in self defense. AGAIN! 1) Israel was the first to break the ceasefire, 2) Israel is targeting civilian targets and the UN is accusing Israel of killing at least one hundred children and women and of using excessive force, 3) there is only one dominant military power there, which is Israel--one of the most powerful military armed forces in the world, 4) Israel has been besieging Gaza for more than two years and people are literary starving there, 5) the US media is relying on Israeli sources and spokespersons only. You can focus on other important issues as well but don't waste the precious time you are given on camera on emotional reactions and get to the chase immediately; this way, if they edit your interview, the talking points are covered (the inverted pyramid style ag< br> ain). Leave the emotional aspects to the end. But be careful, if you have relatives or a personal aspect in connection to Gaza, use it immediately because that is very powerful.

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Israel broke the ceasefire first when it in November of 2008, Israel commandos killed 6 Palestinians in a raid on a Tunnel. Two months before its end, Israel was shelling Gaza, Rafah and other Palestinian towns. Guardian: four-months ceasefire was broke by Israel.

Israel has been besieging the Gaza Stripe before starting the invasion (206 people died because of shortage of food and medicine before the invasion) . Israel has started its war propaganda three months ago.

Israel killed 40 Palestinian civilians and scores others were severely injured today as a result of Israeli shelling of a UN school in Gaza. The United Nations stated today that they actually informed Israel that it opened its schools as shelters for civilians since there was no place to flee to for many Palestinians.

Today, medical staff in Gaza said that more than 70% of causalities are civilians, mainly women and children, while the rate was at more than 60% yesterday.

Hamas was elected by the majority of Palestinians two years ago and Israel is invading Gaza to change that reality and not in self defense.

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what rot!

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The world community is pressuring the United States to stop arming and giving diplomatic immunity to Israel.
This Israeli bombing of Gaza is inhumane and criminal.
It amounts to Genocide and those responsible ought to be brought before an international criminal court of justice.

The corporate fascist media in the U.S are nothing but Zionist apologists.

The time has come for Israel to STOP once and for all its evil colonial occupation of Palestine.
We have had enough with this domination, this unjust war against the Palestinians.
Israel has engaged in an ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people, and in a outgoing expansion
of their Jewish settlements on Palestinian territories for years now.

Hamas is a consequence of the brutal, abusive and ruthless Israeli occupation.
The Palestinian people and Hamas are simply resisting and fighting for their freedom.
It's a struggle for liberation and self determination.
And for an autonomy and sovereignty that Israel has deny them for way too long now.

As long as Israel continues its heinous crimes against the Palestinians
There will be no "security for Israel" and no peace in the middle east.

We owe it to the Palestinian people to have autonomy over their territories without Israeli intervention,
occupation and control of their borders.

All the Palestinians want is a sovereign Palestinian state or Palestinian territories.
And a peaceful coexistence with Israel.

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He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt.
He has been given a large brain by mistake, science for him the spinal cord would fully suffice.
This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once.
Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this,
how despicable an ignorable war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action!
It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." (Albert Einstein)
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Does anyone think that Paterson could have won an election? He lost the last one so they had to get Switzer in power and then kick him out to bring Paterson to power.

Switzer was hurt by the Israeli Mafia guy Madoff. All planned to remove any Progressive Democrat.

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It is unfortunate that these Israeli supporters have become the same bigots that Hitler cultivated in the 1930's. History can teach us well, but learning from what we are taught is sometimes never acheived.

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Remember who fired the 1st rockets at civilians!

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Here's the scenario. Two guys walk into a Hell's Angels biker bar and loudly announce that they want to see all bikers put to death. One of the two then punches out the nearest biker. Would anyone really be surprised if the response was way out of proportion to the immediate threat? Would anyone really expect that the bikers would respond only with equal force? Let's get real. Hamas' aim is the elimination of Israel and the only reasonable response by Israel is to do everything possible to see that the threat cannot be realized.

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Palestinians dancing in the streets on 9/11 after the Twin Towers were attacked!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3u3rMIs5hw

Fox http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k

MSNBC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCr8VYpzwIA

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First that area should become a secular democracy where all people are equal and can vote. The religious mumbo-jumbo needs to be put aside for equality and equal access, equal rights, etc.

Next we should view Judaism as a religion and not a race of people. The archaeological evidence for Abraham is a bit weak. Let's stick with it being a religion. In that context Israel could remove its reason for being basically a theocracy. When people start thinking that they are a special race of people chosen by god, then some bad things can happen.

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Look at the pictures folks. Watch the video. Read the stories at the link from the world media. How can our elected leaders pass laws supporting this? How many of our leaders have dual citizenships?

It's time to wake up my countrymen and women.


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A voice in the darkness from one who has experienced genocide firsthand.

http: // www.youtube. com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8&eurl=http: //whatreallyhappened. com/

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What these Palestinian defenders conveniently omit is that it's the Arab terrorists who've been elected leaders in Palestine. Terrorist leaders commit terrorist acts - DUH~!

It is "natural" for the terrorist leaders to put their own population up as human shields. It's demonically clever as well: suckering in all the "humanitarians" who apparently don't understand that the one who initiates violence is the one to blame.

The Palestinian people elected these cold blooded killers, now instead of holding them responsible for that (and things like dancing in the streets over the news of the 911 attacks), we have irrational, morally bereft writers posting anti-Israel articles on Alternet.

Get this straight: Irrational behavior brings penalties. It's a life lesson - pretty much everyone understands and accepts it. There is no "freedom" to be irrational. There is no "freedom" to invert moral law.
There is no "freedom" to substitute emotions for critical thinking.

In place of these imaginary freedoms: try substituting your obligation to think logically when "picking sides." Try not using platforms like Alternet to disseminate nonsense.

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INCREDIBLY SICK AND DEPRAVED (Israel AND Schumer):

"Sen. Chuck Schumer highlighted Israel’s supposed humanitarian methods of warfare by pointing to its text messaging of certain Gaza Strip residents urging them to vacate their homes before Israeli forces bombed them. “What other country would do that?” Schumer shouted from the podium."

NOW VERY NICE OF THE ISRAELIS TO POLITELY WARN PALTESTINIANS TO FLEE BEFORE WE BOMB YOU INTO KINGDOM COME! Only one problem -- THERE WAS NOWHERE TO FLEE TO!! Except, oh yeah, the UN offices where OOOPS!...THEY WERE BOMBED.

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