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Economic PTSD: The Psychological Effects of the Recession

By Michael Bader, AlterNet. Posted January 14, 2009.


We feel responsible for things we didn't do and helpless in the face of things we couldn't do.

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Having recently lost 40 percent of my own retirement savings, it's not hard to empathize with others in the same boat, including their feelings of helplessness, rage, guilt and shame.

Empathy for oneself and others is necessary but not sufficient. The antidote to helplessness begins with compassion and acceptance, but it doesn't end there. It involves grief but can't rest there. We need psychological healing but not apart from healing the world.

Outrage is part of the healing that we need. But our public outrage at being betrayed by the greed, mismanagement and political shenanigans that created the current crisis is compromised by all the subtle and secret ways that we avoid confronting painful feelings of helplessness and, instead, irrationally hold ourselves accountable.

This creates a political problem: While the helplessness we feel is legitimate, our ability to rationally respond to it by trying to correct its real structural causes is compromised by the guilt and shame that we've internalized.

Our real responsibility to change the world -- something we can do -- is undermined by the false and self-blaming feelings of responsibility for things that we didn't and can't do. The paradox is that we have to face the ways that we're really helpless in order to own the ways that we're not.

What is the alternative? The alternative to irrational guilt is real innocence. The alternative to denial is grief. And the solution to helplessness is to get angry and fight back.

The problem for progressives is psychological as well as practical. Like everyone else, we struggle with passivity, cynicism and confusion about how to effect change in the current climate.

Some of us are waiting on the sidelines to see what Obama will do, criticizing or celebrating his choice of advisers. Others are actively organizing and participating in various efforts to influence political outcomes. But most of us, I believe, are facing the difficulty of maintaining and building on the hope and passion generated over the last year in the presidential campaign.

In my view, our capacity and energy for political engagement is sapped by hidden psychological reactions to the current economic catastrophe, reactions complicated by feelings of guilt, responsibility and helplessness.

We feel responsible for things we didn't do and helpless in the face of things we could do. We feel guilty when we should feel innocent, cynical when we should feel hopeful and powerless when we should feel powerful. Understanding and resolving this confusion should help progressives enormously.

Everyone processes economic stress and anxiety differently. For every rational response to this recession, there is an irrational one -- one that derives less from objective circumstances and more from the peculiarities of the human psyche. Such peculiarities are no less unreasonable because they are common. Irrational feelings of envy, self-blame and denial rear their ugly heads in many of us, often with painful results. I see them in myself. I see them in friends. And I see them in my clients.

Self-blame is one of the most insidious and common of these reactions. It's not that we blame ourselves for failing to anticipate the exact moment when the stock market began to collapse, although some do. Most of us are too rational to openly fault ourselves for not being that omniscient.

Instead, the self-blaming is subtler and starts a little later in the time-line, e.g., I should have moved everything to cash when it first happened, or I was in denial and now I'm paying for it, or So-and-So predicted that the bottom was falling out, and I just didn't listen.

Sometimes, such guilt is spiced up with a dash of envy: My neighbor just sold his house and was sitting on the profits waiting to buy another one -- the lucky bastard. Or, my brother-in-law saw this coming and moved to the sidelines a year ago, or even, from one patient, my best friend consulted a psychic last spring who convinced her to get completely out of the stock market!

Such stories, real and apocryphal, invariably provoke twinges of envy and self-criticism. Their good fortune highlights our failure. Often, such self-castigation continues right up to the present: I should probably get out now, but am afraid I'll miss the recovery. The implied judgment here is "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." Whatever the facts of the matter (even the savviest of investors are not sure what to do at the moment), the underlying sentiment involves blaming oneself for some mistake, failure of nerve, intelligence or judgment.

In fact, while individuals here and there may have outguessed the markets, most of us didn't. And when "most of us" find ourselves in a similar predicament, that predicament can't possibly be an individual problem or be reasonably solved by individuals making smarter or more rational decisions.

When the dot-com bubble burst in the spring of 2000, many of my patients blamed themselves for being too greedy, or for going against their common sense by listening too much to their brokers, or for going along with the herd even though they knew better.


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Michael Bader is a psychologist and psychoanalyst in San Francisco. He is the author of "Arousal: The Secret Logic of Sexual Fantasies" and "Male Sexuality: Why Women Don't Understand It -- and Men Don't Either." He has written extensively about psychology and politics.

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Victimology
Posted by: liz-at-blackrose on Jan 14, 2009 1:57 AM   
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An article encouraging us to identify as helpless victims? What in the world is the point of that?

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» Compared to Iraq/Afgan Veterans Posted by: weathered
Let's Create Communities of New Realities
Posted by: titusoye on Jan 14, 2009 2:29 AM   
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I left my bed at 3.00 a.m. to read and comment on this article, after a two-hour of long and soul searching discussions with my wife, asking ourselves and our Lord "Where is the way forward?" The way to go, in my opinion, is to create communities of new realities. The situation is just too much for any individual to handle. We need community solutions. Wisdom resides in the community. Perhaps, real and sincere leaders will emerge at a time like this, whose goals will not just be to profit from other people's predicaments or take advantage of the situation but instead, to rally the people for new beginnings, new realities, and new ...

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PTSD
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 14, 2009 4:08 AM   
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Those who had faith in the system are to blame, not for investing wrong, but for making a deal with the devil, i.e. the System.

Those middle class folks caught in this mess who blame themselves for not working or investing hard enough are effectively blaming the poor for being poor. They are indeed guilty, but not in the sense that they think. They're guilty--as implied but not effectively stated in the article--for not changing the system, identifying with the rich, voting for the wrong candidates, and thinking they were so superior to the poor that they would, by their own wits, escape a similar fate.

As always, the US middle class are victims of their own smugness and stupidity, just like every other recession. This article may point them in the right direction, but it lets them off too easy.

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» RE: PTSD Posted by: wbblack
» RE: PTSD Posted by: Naty
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Saved by my partisanship
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jan 14, 2009 4:11 AM   
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It may be my partisanship saves me from these self-destructive feelings.

I regard the entire economic mess as the Republicans' fault, so all the suffering I see or endure just makes me madder at them.

I highly recommend this attitude, with the knowledge it is not the dominant one.

The dominant attitude, of course--heard every three minutes on the web and in the coporate media--is to include the Democrats in the blame ("There's plenty of blame to go around. Both parties were complicit").

You will notice that, when the Democrats screw up, no one invites the Repubs to share in the blame in this way. It's always 100% the Democrats' fault, and that's all there is to it. This betrays the immense rightward bias of our public discourse. Even Democrats talk this way.

I suggest you stop playing along on this one. You'll notice our Republican brethren are not consumed with guilt--even though they should be wearing bags over their heads and flagellating themselves day and night.

If we let the Repubs take the blame for their screw-ups for a change, a lot of the self-doubt disappears and we can get to work fixing things up.

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Holding those accountable is a healing process
Posted by: blondesprite on Jan 14, 2009 5:09 AM   
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In my understanding, PTSD is one label amongst a plethora of depressive disorders.
I read once the reason depression hurts so much is that it becomes an angry dagger turned inward.
If I am not mistaken, identifying the appropriate target(s) for our anger and feelings of helplessness, expressing it, and limiting one's exposure to it in the future (i.e. don't touch that it is hot!) is one part of the healing process.
Justice (bringing back the rule of law) is another part of the healing process. Unless we insist the Obama administration holds all those accountable (including complcit democrats) we leave ourselves wide open for more abuse.
Ignorance of the law (um...my lawyer told me torture and plundering the national treasure would be ok) can be no excuse for this bunch of flesh eating criminals.
Forgiveness can only take place after the crimes have been punished!

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If it makes you feel better...
Posted by: Cybershaman on Jan 14, 2009 5:10 AM   
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Try thinking of all that retirement money that was stolen ... er ... lost and all that investing you did over the years as 'entertainment'. You know, like you do with the lottery.

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» RE: If it makes you feel better... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
same old story
Posted by: jon B on Jan 14, 2009 5:38 AM   
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This type of psychological sob story analysis comes out after every financial thrashing that the capitalist system slams us with. Call it the boom/bust blues.

Sure people will feel victimized, because they were. They made the mistake of listening to the capitalist conventional thinking and then NOT seeking out alternative ideas about that thinking.

Fool me once, twice, again and again. Maybe victimization is stronger this time because the last boom/bust was not even a decade ago. People who have had 401K plans or IRAs for a decade have watched it plummet TWICE during that time. If you had that retirement plan for a little more than a decade it was THREE times as then the Asian Crisis/Long Term Capital Management bust in 1997/1998 would be included.

So, people gambling with retirement money for ten or so years SHOULD flog themselves. That was fool me THREE times. Unless a company had a matched contributions feature it would have been better to stick that money in the mattress for the past decade.

The BIG question is whether people will learn not to be fooled by the greed creed of capitalism again. But the question isn't so big because the answer is simple, they will.

And as the writer concludes, the answer is ANGER and then action. Well, I see plenty of anger, but no action. Action can't happen in America anymore. It's quite clear that only a small minority of politicians (not including Obama) have any interest in cleaning up Wall Street or the mortgage industry. They are hands off on the rating agencies (the ones that gave AAA ratings to the toxic financial waste, getting paid by the same banks they rated). And where are the prosecutions? One guy? Madoff, a guy who has admitted his crime.

And with all this non-action these elites of the American political world use our tax dollars to PRETEND to clean up Wall Street. They are using the masses' kitchen sinks to save the Ponzi Schemers of New York.

This is also a reason to feel victimized because our government has refused to listen to us and our anger repeatedly on capitalism's boom/busts. Long Term Capital Management got bailed out in 1998. In the dot.com bust only a few bad apples from the bushel of rotten cores were ever prosecuted and just a few window dressing regulations were created, nothing to prevent today's mess.

The housing bust was being predicted THEN, AT THAT TIME, by various people. I know, I read these predictions in the Wall Street Journal THEN. So these idiot politicians who all read the WSJ can't pretend they weren't aware that this latest capitalist debacle wasn't a possibility since the newspaper about capitalism was showing why it would happen.

In this false democracy we call America we are told that action is about elections. It's clear that doesn't work, the last decade proves that. Far too many incompetent incumbents get to retain their jobs. What other action? Political action or lobbying. Again, the system has become weighted to the corporate lobbyists, people's lobbyist groups can't get heard. Well, that leaves one last action, violent revolution. And that won't happen unless things are so bleak that the elite strategy of dividing the masses fails to work anymore.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate capitalism, but I abhor the version the United States has evolved into. Our system needs a huge overhaul, it won't happen because the political system also needs about ten slaps in the face. I could talk long and hard about the changes needed for American capitalism and politics.

Maybe when the weather gets warmer the masses will take to the streets, but probably not, TV is too attractive. College basketball!! March madness will make us forget about the madness of marching.

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ECONOMIC RECESSIONS ARE INDEED A HEALTH ISSUE
Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 14, 2009 6:10 AM   
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Economic recessions definitely have health impacts

Organized Medicine has long ignored these issues at their peril because they are too busy looking into microscopes instead of "macroscopes".

I was on a NIOSH (federal agency)team that studied these and other psycho-social factors regarding their impact on worker health and safety outcomes.

Google NIOSH and go to work stress and Organization of Work (OOW) sections of NIOSH website.

One of my own coined phrases for my field of Occupational Medicine (Worker Health) is "That it is hard to have occupational health without an occupation"

My own recent Health Care Plan is jobs for all able Americans


Dr. Rick Lippn
Southampton,Pa

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PTSD.......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jan 14, 2009 6:52 AM   
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The current crisis wasn't created in a vacuum! This nation has had 25 years of believing the lies of "supposed leaders" that have been setting up the current game of the system, all the while these same people have been rewriting the rules and deregulating for the rich! Remember Reagan "government is the problem", or what about starting the war on workers when he broke the Air Traffic Controllers Union! Not to mention the fomentation of the "culture issues" led by the religious right! Laissez faire let the markets take care of themselves, let the individual take care of themselves mentality, that has been, and continues to be pushed ad nauseam!

This whole debacle of the last 8 years was the culmination of many years of calculated obfuscations and slights of hand. What we the people are guilty of is not paying careful enough attention to all of the issues, of allowing ourselves to be mislead by our "supposed leadership", of thinking that because the politician is a "nice guy/gal" they actually belong in office - when the reality is is that they are not representing the needs of "WE THE PEOPLE", of buying into the "culture war" drama, of thinking that being "celebrity" was more important than the Community Organizer, that whatever the Jones had we needed to get quickly, etc.!

Does it make us bad people NO! What it really says is that as a nation we are in pain and don't want to recognize it - call it mass hysteria! It means that we all need to have a good cry, and then get mad as hell and start to take action. Join a cause that you believe in, fight for the rights of others, write your politician when you don't agree and demand answers, reconnect with your neighbors! The time has come for this nation to remember why we have a Constitution and to remember why this nation was created:

“ We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

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Bigger government = more corruption
Posted by: floridahank on Jan 14, 2009 7:01 AM   
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Corruption poses a serious development challenge. In the political realm, it undermines democracy and good governance by flouting or even subverting formal processes. Corruption in elections and in legislative bodies reduces accountability and distorts representation in policymaking; corruption in the judiciary compromises the rule of law; and corruption in public administration results in the unfair provision of services.

More generally, corruption erodes the institutional capacity of government as procedures are disregarded, resources are siphoned off, and public offices are bought and sold. At the same time, corruption undermines the legitimacy of government and such democratic values as trust and tolerance.(See: Good governance)


Corruption also undermines economic development by generating considerable distortions and inefficiency. In the private sector, corruption increases the cost of business through the price of illicit payments themselves, the management cost of negotiating with officials, and the risk of breached agreements or detection.

Although some claim corruption reduces costs by cutting red tape, the availability of bribes can also induce officials to contrive new rules and delays. Openly removing costly and lengthy regulations are better than covertly allowing them to be bypassed by using bribes. Where corruption inflates the cost of business, it also distorts the playing field, shielding firms with connections from competition and thereby sustaining inefficient firms.


Corruption also generates economic distortions in the public sector by diverting public investment into capital projects where bribes and kickbacks are more plentiful. Officials may increase the technical complexity of public sector projects to conceal or pave way for such dealings, thus further distorting investment. Corruption also lowers compliance with construction, environmental, or other regulations, reduces the quality of government services and infrastructure, and increases budgetary pressures on government.
Based on this definition the Worldwide Governance Indicators project has developed aggregate measurements for the level of control of corruption in more than 200 countries.


The ten countries perceived to be least corrupt, according to the 2007 Corruption Perceptions Index, are Denmark, Finland, New Zealand, Singapore, Sweden, Iceland, The Netherlands, Switzerland, Canada, and Norway.
According to the same survey, the nine countries perceived to be most corrupt are Somalia, Myanmar, Iraq, Haiti, Uzbekistan, Tonga, Sudan, Chad, and Afghanistan.


In the U.S., the top five most corrupt states are Louisiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, Alabama, and Ohio, according to a 2007 study by Corporate Crime Reporter (based on U.S. Department of Justice data on public convictions).

Recent financial scandals and multi-billion dollar bail out legislation highlight the urgent need to protect those honest Americans who report wrongdoing in the government and in the private sector.


Courageous whistleblowers are responsible for recovering billions of dollars stolen by government contractors engaged in fraud.
Retaliation against whistleblowers targets the very people who we need to tell the truth about fraud and misconduct.
BE IT RESOLVED: That Congress MUST enact a national whistleblower protection law that provides all whistleblowers with the right to federal court proceedings, a trial by jury and reasonable damages as endorsed by President-Elect Obama.

You can help out in this area by checking: http://www.whistleblowers.org

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» Fatal flaw Posted by: truthlover
Recession? Don't see any in my place.
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Jan 14, 2009 7:32 AM   
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Of course, more people may be plunging into debt but discuss the idea of frugality with them and they spit at you ! Rampant consumerism is still alive and well !

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gulag usa
Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Jan 14, 2009 7:36 AM   
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Prison capacity has recently increased 5 fold in my area (massive construction).. and they are already full. It pays well to mend the chains of the fellow oppressed.

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Only two ways to respond to a crisis
Posted by: Bobsays on Jan 14, 2009 9:20 AM   
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You either did contribute to the problem (borrowing too much, lying too much, lazy too much, dishonest too much), or you saved your money, worked hard, took care of your family, didn't tell too many lies, and made a contribution to the world. If you are in the first group, you have two choices: you remove yourself from this planet and do us all a favour (if you need a best practice learned lesson on this, check out the German business man who killed himself last week), if you choose not to remove yourself, then do us all a favour and drastically change your behaviour.

As for if you fall into the next group, you have bought yourself a 'don't need to give a dime to the begger' get-out-of-jail-free card. You didn't cause this recession/depression, so don't feel guilty about it. Don't give into the aggressive beggers and assorted losers he will harass and hound you over the next five years. Hold your head high and let those who sowed, reap.

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» RE: mind-boggling shitheadedness! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
IT'S NOT 'PTSD
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 14, 2009 9:36 AM   
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It's out of work and scared to death. Not a disease, but an unhealthy way to live. Putting a label on how rotten you feel won't change anything. The same goes for comiserating. Analyzing your feelings makes no sense. it simply reinforces what you knew to begin with. I lost a job about 10 years ago and found this article to be way over the edge. Some of it just plain irrelevant. No one, out of work needs amateur diagnosis. They need a job. High unemployment is seen by some as an opportunity to market their thoughts and ideas. Most of it is superfluous garbage. For anyone out of work, you don't have PTSD. You're just normal. It's stinks. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: IT'S NOT 'PTSD Posted by: badkitty
we are all responsible for our own life
Posted by: pjl on Jan 14, 2009 10:16 AM   
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we are all responsible for our own life and when we step into that power of responsibility it is then we will no longer feel a victim! this article is riddled with victim energy !

The USA is in major denial we ignorantly put our lives in the hands of croaks! And we voted those croaks in we brought this upon ourselves our ignorance and our laziness gave us the government that represents the american psyche . We as a society are a part of the problem as we have for way to long bought the myth of america and we believed it was our birth right to HAVE the american dream regardless of what the long term effects are.

By taking responsibility for our life we do research we look and read the fine print, but we are lazy and we all believed get rich quick was the answer to our deep unhappiness.

When we as a society take a long look inside and stop looking outside, take complete responsibility for the choices we have made in all aspects of our life it is then we will no longer be motivated by greed and we will get a glimpes of true happiness and the american dream will be a myth of the past.

Bubble after bubble was burst and yet we kept putting our ignorant faith into the next one. history does repeat itself until we learn the lessons ie: the stock market crash of 1929 it will repeat itself as we did not learn the lesson. The lesson of greed and this is not just the fat cats at the top greed , the greed trickles all the way down to the lower income. as all look to blame the other, this is victim energy all around as no one is willing to take there share of the responsibility.

Take back your life by taking responsibility for your ignorance and all the choices you have made and move on!

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The Trick of the Psychopath's Trade
Posted by: Chevaliere on Jan 14, 2009 10:34 AM   
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"Empathy for oneself and others is necessary but not sufficient. The antidote to helplessness begins with compassion and acceptance, but it doesn't end there. It involves grief but can't rest there. We need psychological healing but not apart from healing the world."

The world cannot be healed until we acknowledge the fact that there ARE literally two races of human beings and that this division has nothing to do with color, ethnicity or anything that can be seen with the eyes. It is strictly a function of whether an individual is capable of empathy - conscience - or not. Maybe it is, in the end, whether an individual has a soul or not. Certainly Jesus referred to some people as "sons of your father, the Devil" and perhaps this is exactly what he meant: psychopaths. He also said that the "kingdom of heaven" is within. All of his stories and parables point to a fundamental difference between two types of human beings and it seems that modern science is bearing this out: psychopathy is most probably genetic.

There's a fascinating article on this topic here: The Trick of the Psychopath's Trade: Make Us Believe that Evil Comes from Others

Maybe it's time we started looking at people, not in terms of their color or their ethnic background, but in terms of their actions or lack thereof? Maybe we should start demanding that modern science investigate this problem to its greatest depth and help us to find ways to identify such people before they enter the professions that give them power over others, from president right down to grade school teacher?

It's not religion, politics or education that determines whether one is a psychopath: it is empathy, the ability to know what it means to not do unto others what you wouldn't want done to you.

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Victemology and Failed Use of Anger
Posted by: canary131 on Jan 14, 2009 1:48 PM   
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The author writes: And the solution to helplessness is to get angry and fight back.

The real solution is to stop feeling like a victim who is allegedly rightfully angry, and start feeling like a hopeful participent in a NEW vision for a better future. One where your stock portfolio is not more important than the fact that our tax money is being used to torture and kill innocent civilians across the world. You know, that type of change just might require a little sacrifice by all of us.

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Class Adjustment.....
Posted by: DaBear on Jan 14, 2009 2:09 PM   
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I'd like to see what Michael Bader would recommend and how he'd reframe this very poignant and relevant piece for those of us who were and are not middle classers.

The frustrating thing is having watched all this happen around us, being able to see this shit happening, but being too god damned poor to do anything about it. I got caught in a foreclosure because housing cost too damned much and I couldn't afford a lawyer while I was being swindled out of what little I had. I had no idea what a subprime was, only that these rich people told me, sign here, then refi in three and you're fine. I write for a living, I'm smart, I'm educated... the paperwork was four inches deep and looked awfully complex but I was pressured and pressured... then when my mate lost her job ten months later, all the rich people said, here, call this guy and that guy... they'll give you a work out... just make the call. Six months of calling every other day, spending 4-5 hours at a time on the phone, then we end up on the street. Bounced around shelters, rented a place, then it got foreclosed on and we got booted our back on the street...

I mean jesus fucking christ, the whole damned time you got hoards of assholes bitching at you because you were stupid, irresponsible (for what, I'd still like to know, finding the cheapest piece of shit condo on the market for two special needs kids and their parents?!). And all the powers that be, the media and every other rich person saying how what we're living through just isn't actually happening? PTSD my ass, this is a fucking gang rape with no end in sight and the lineup is now around the corner!

How the hell are you supposed to recover from that? With no money, no influence, no connections... in a rental with a non-negotiable unilateral lease and an owning class landlord who keeps upping the rent.... helplessness? For shit, man, Bader's patients aren't helpless, they can pay him! We can't get care for two kids with mental illness because we're poor. Every dime that comes in goes to housing food and the "luxury" internet (needed for our jobs). And now the 20 year old car is breaking down... and from what I witness in our neighborhood, we're the LUCKY ones...

I'd like to see how Bader would re-write his piece for lower class people. I'll give him my bottle money for it.

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» Excellent comment Posted by: and_abottleofrum
GOOD QUOTE
Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 14, 2009 3:37 PM   
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"I used to think I was my own worst enemy but the competition sure is getting a lot stiffer"

-from Ziggy from Comics Circa 1980s

Dr.Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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RELEVANT QUOTE
Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 14, 2009 3:41 PM   
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"I used to think I was my own worst enemy but the competition recently sure is getting a lot stiffer"

from ZIGGY comic page character -circa 1980s

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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It's Not The Loss of Money That Made Me Depressed For 6 Weeks - It Was The Death of My Brother
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 14, 2009 4:24 PM   
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I am now slowly coming out of my depression.

Patrick has gone

But I am still alive

And I have the most wonderful friends who have also been depressed in the past and they say to me all the things I said to them

And it slowly dawns and you slowly begin to feel better

And then you look around you at this most beautiful planet we live on and all the PEOPLE around who you LOVE

And you think - maybe they also love me

Maybe I have to get better so that I can ENJOY & CONTRIBUTE To making this World a Better Place for Our Children

We have got one hell of a lot of shit to Clear Up

This is not a party

This is not a disco

This is Our Life on This Planet

So Do SOMETHING USEFUL

instead of feeling sorry for yourself

Tony

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It's Not So Bad Living in America - America is a Beautiful Country
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 14, 2009 5:50 PM   
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America comprises an enormously rich and diverse land

America can grow all the Food it Needs to Supply The Entire World

America is Rich in Talent, Energy, Innovation and Well It is Potentially

Heaven on Earth

But Us Europeans Killed Most Of The Native Indian Americans

But Not All Of Them

And The Natives Are Reclaiming Their Land

We have discussed this situation with Israel

And NO you White Americans Can Not Come Back To Europe

We Have Carved Out an Area of Territory For You Called ISRAEL

It has been designated by God for all the Fundamental American Christians To Meet Their Zionist God

Now Be Good Boys and Girls and Do Your RAPTURE of SELF DESTRUCTION

And FUCK OFF OUR PLANET

Bye

Tony

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» Dwight Baker - Nice Try Posted by: tony_opmoc
Insightful article.....thanks...I was hoping you would stay
Posted by: using on Jan 14, 2009 6:02 PM   
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active in creating inroads of the specifics of what we need to organize change..and help lay a plan for that change to happen.....

also, one of the great problems is that trust has been so violated..and human nature ugly underbelly so exposed..it is hard to trust anything that is not government insured. (assuming ofcause we have a government that will honor the commitments)

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It's About Re-Ascerting Basic Human Morals and Ideals - RELIGION OF MONEY HAS COMPLETELY FAILED
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 14, 2009 6:07 PM   
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And ALL The Rest Of The Religions are Based on Human History going back at least 10,000 years

Of Course Our Earth and Us

ARE

GOD

And We have

The SUN

and

The MOON

And The STARS

And a few hundred years ago we discovered the Telescope

Is That IT?

Tony

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Dwight, your writing is so choppy I have to wonder if your brain is like mashed potatoes.
Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Jan 14, 2009 7:47 PM   
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Are you senile in a hostile way?

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article's last paragraph says it all...
Posted by: chance garden on Jan 14, 2009 7:54 PM   
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It is indeed infuriating that, to quote the author, "economic elites, along with their political enablers, have gamed the system such that they've reaped astronomical benefits while exposing the rest of us to the toxic byproducts of their greed and indifference"

The thing I find particularly distressing about this state of economic helplessness many of us find ourselves embroiled in is that it seems to be ONGOING!

The illusion of living in a meritocracy and the belief in the american dream has been criminally deranged and literally dragooned into a widespread acknowledgement that we are being fleeced of our lives and welfares on a daily basis.

I can't rid myself of the feeling that I'm living in a --Society of Great Suckers-- Where do you fit in? Are you part of the Parasite or the Host? Are you a Marker or a Mark? How can the criminally minded not LOVE... a Meritocracy full of honest people?

It provides a perfect environment to sucker people into their schemes...But by far the biggest ponzi scheme of all is the nature of the phoney money... federal reserve notes and the treasury bonds set-up that is institutionalized in the very system that purports itself to be legit.

How can citizens of a nation not be corrupted themselves when the primary economic lifeblood starts out in such a corrupt fashion...

The Fed and the Treasury set the tone for this whole system which more and more begins to resemble, indeed actually is, a kleptocracy...

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But We Will Have Any Aussies Back They Have a Sense of Humour
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 14, 2009 8:38 PM   
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And Are Still In Our Tribe

Americans Can Go and Fuck Themselves

Tony

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