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America's Hidden Role in Hamas's Rise to Power
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Editor’s note: In the U.S., the claim that the actions of Hamas forced Israel to launch a massive assault on the impoverished population of Gaza is almost universally accepted. But, as scholar Stephen Zunes explains below, the picture of Hamas as an organization of wide-eyed radicalism without electoral legitimacy or the support of a significant portion of the Palestinian population is simplistic. In this important piece, Zunes examines the ways in which Israeli and American policy-makers encouraged the rise of the conservative religious group Hamas in an effort to marginalize secular and leftist elements within the Occupied Territories.
The United States bears much of the blame for the ongoing bloodshed in the Gaza Strip and nearby parts of Israel. Indeed, were it not for misguided Israeli and American policies, Hamas would not be in control of the territory in the first place.
Israel initially encouraged the rise of the Palestinian Islamist movement as a counter to the Palestine Liberation Organization, the secular coalition composed of Fatah and various leftist and other nationalist movements. Beginning in the early 1980s, with generous funding from the U.S.-backed family dictatorship in Saudi Arabia, the antecedents of Hamas began to emerge through the establishment of schools, health care clinics, social service organizations and other entities that stressed an ultraconservative interpretation of Islam, which up to that point had not been very common among the Palestinian population. The hope was that if people spent more time praying in mosques, they would be less prone to enlist in left-wing nationalist movements challenging the Israeli occupation.
While supporters of the secular PLO were denied their own media or right to hold political gatherings, the Israeli occupation authorities allowed radical Islamic groups to hold rallies, publish uncensored newspapers and even have their own radio station. For example, in the occupied Palestinian city of Gaza in 1981, Israeli soldiers -- who had shown no hesitation in brutally suppressing peaceful pro-PLO demonstrations -- stood by when a group of Islamic extremists attacked and burned a PLO-affiliated health clinic in Gaza for offering family-planning services for women.
Hamas, an acronym for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya (Islamic Resistance Movement), was founded in 1987 by Sheik Ahmed Yassin, who had been freed from prison when Israel conquered the Gaza Strip 20 years earlier. Israel's priorities in suppressing Palestinian dissent during this period were revealing: In 1988, Israel forcibly exiled Palestinian activist Mubarak Awad, a Christian pacifist who advocated the use of Gandhian-style resistance to the Israeli occupation and Israeli-Palestinian peace, while allowing Yassin to circulate anti-Jewish hate literature and publicly call for the destruction of Israel by force of arms.
American policy was not much different: Up until 1993, U.S. officials in the consular office in Jerusalem met periodically with Hamas leaders, while they were barred from meeting with anyone from the PLO, including leading moderates within the coalition. This policy continued despite the fact that the PLO had renounced terrorism and unilaterally recognized Israel as far back as 1988.
One of the early major boosts for Hamas came when the Israeli government expelled more than 400 Palestinian Muslims in late 1992. While most of the exiles were associated with Hamas-affiliated social service agencies, very few had been accused of any violent crimes. Since such expulsions are a direct contravention to international law, the U.N. Security Council unanimously condemned the action and called for their immediate return. The incoming Clinton administration, however, blocked the United Nations from enforcing its resolution and falsely claimed that an Israeli offer to eventually allow some of exiles back constituted a fulfillment of the U.N. mandate. The result of the Israeli and American actions was that the exiles became heroes and martyrs, and the credibility of Hamas in the eyes of the Palestinians grew enormously -- and so did its political strength.
Still, at the time of the Oslo Agreement between Israel and the PLO in 1993, polls showed that Hamas had the support of only 15 percent of the Palestinian community. Support for Hamas grew, however, as promises of a viable Palestinian state faded as Israel continued to expand its colonization drive on the West Bank without apparent U.S. objections, doubling the amount of settlers over the next dozen years. The rule of Fatah leader and Palestinian Authority President Yassir Arafat and his cronies proved to be corrupt and inept, while Hamas leaders were seen to be more honest and in keeping with the needs of ordinary Palestinians. In early 2001, Israel cut off all substantive negotiations with the Palestinians, and a devastating U.S.-backed Israeli offensive the following year destroyed much of the Palestinian Authority's infrastructure, making prospects for peace and statehood even more remote. Israeli closures and blockades sank the Palestinian economy into a serious depression, and Hamas-run social services became all the more important for ordinary Palestinians.
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» an enlightening article to say the least but,
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Posted by: andrushka on Jan 3, 2009 3:37 AM
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When will the US learn to conduct long-term foreign policies rather than shot-gun ones?
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jan 3, 2009 4:28 AM
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And Who was in his Admin also...Cheney & Rummy.
These Puppet Masters have been the Prime movers of International violence and unrest for nearly 40 yrs.
If you wonder what kind of Crimes these Two ahve been up to all these yrs, one only has to look at the Monsters they Created.
Who's Responsible for 9/11? Who responsible for the Kurdish Genocide? whos respsonsible for perpetuating the Middle East crisis??
Who else did they propel to power, provide a 'glory Story' worth martyrdom, provide Aid & Comfort To?
Fun with DICK and Don.these Two need to be Hung for Treason, War crimes and Crimes against Humanity committed not only with in the W's yrs, but all the way back to the Nixon years!
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» So America has to chose between supporting Israel and representing its own interests?
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Posted by: True2Blue on Jan 3, 2009 5:23 AM
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Keep 'em coming.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 3, 2009 6:16 AM
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It's pretty clear that the US tends to breed things which come back to bite it. And in this case, I think that may be exactly what US and Israel want, because it gives them a convenient excuse to meddle in Middle Eastern affairs.
How would the US and Israel benefit if there were a peaceful, thriving, independent Palestinian state? That's less territory for Israeli expansion, fewer excuses to keep them in the stone age, and one less thing to blame the Iranians, Syrians, Lebanon, etc. for supporting. It's a loss of leverage, control, and influence in the region. It would also be a huge moral and philosophical loss, because it might prove that the Middle East can thrive and take care of itself, and that Muslim states are not inherently unstable, violent, and bankrupt because they worship the wrong God.
Hamas and the neocons probably play golf together on their days off, weather permitting.
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» yes war is an ugly business give up the pledge to distroy Isreal and stop shooting missles into the
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» RE: Is it not true, or do they just not believe it?
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» RE: it is time to give up the desire to distroy Israel and that will bring great relief to everyone
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Posted by: chlamor on Jan 3, 2009 9:48 AM
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It is a calculated decision, and a pro-active measure of support for the continuation of the Israeli campaign.
If Israeli ground forces invade Gaza without even a peremptory peep from Obama, the river of blood that will be shed will flow partly over his own hands.
The observation that there is "only one president at a time," is a dodge. Barack Obama doesn't get to choose when to start leading. History has chosen him, and placed him in a leadership role. That leadership role was carved out and established the moment he was elected president, quaint anachronistic traditions about our elaborately extended White House transition periods notwithstanding. People are following his lead now, whether he likes it or not. Obama must accept and fulfill the responsibilities that have been thrust upon him If he does not, he risks looking like a passive and ineffectual fool. Worse, he risks prolonging the suffering of many innocent people.
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Posted by: chlamor on Jan 3, 2009 9:57 AM
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Summary
Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)
Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000
Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200
Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000
Grand Total
$84,854,827,200
"U.S. Aid to Israel: Interpreting the 'Strategic Relationship"'
by Stephen Zunes
"The U.S. aid relationship with Israel is unlike any other in the world," said Stephen Zunes during a January 26 CPAP presentation. "In sheer volume, the amount is the most generous foreign aid program ever between any two countries," added Zunes, associate professor of Politics and chair of the Peace and Justice Studies Program at the University of San Francisco.
He explored the strategic reasoning behind the aid, asserting that it parallels the "needs of American arms exporters" and the role "Israel could play in advancing U.S. strategic interests in the region."
Although Israel is an "advanced, industrialized, technologically sophisticated country," it "receives more U.S. aid per capita annually than the total annual [Gross Domestic Product] per capita of several Arab states." Approximately a third of the entire U.S. foreign aid budget goes to Israel, "even though Israel comprises just…one-thousandth of the world's total population, and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes."
U.S. government officials argue that this money is necessary for "moral" reasons-some even say that Israel is a "democracy battling for its very survival." If that were the real reason, however, aid should have been highest during Israel's early years, and would have declined as Israel grew stronger. Yet "the pattern…has been just the opposite." According to Zunes, "99 percent of all U.S. aid to Israel took place after the June 1967 war, when Israel found itself more powerful than any combination of Arab armies…."
The U.S. supports Israel's dominance so it can serve as "a surrogate for American interests in this vital strategic region." "Israel has helped defeat radical nationalist movements" and has been a "testing ground for U.S. made weaponry." Moreover, the intelligence agencies of both countries have "collaborated," and "Israel has funneled U.S. arms to third countries that the U.S. [could] not send arms to directly,…Iike South Africa, like the Contras, Guatemala under the military junta, [and] Iran." Zunes cited an Israeli analyst who said: "'It's like Israel has just become another federal agency when it's convenient to use and you want something done quietly."' Although the strategic relationship between the United States and the Gulf Arab states in the region has been strengthening in recent years, these states "do not have the political stability, the technological sophistication, [or] the number of higher-trained armed forces personnel" as does Israel.
U.S. Financial Aid To Israel: Figures, Facts, and Impact
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Jan 3, 2009 10:26 AM
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How about not true at all? Sheesh! What's the problem Stephen Zunes?
So let me get this straight, Hamas is less desirable to Israel and the US than Fatah or the PLO??? Bullplop! Hamas was all about talking peace before Israel, wanting to murder YET ANOTHER bunch of people before the new year begins, needed a surge of violence before new governments take control in both Israel and the US.
What's going on in Gaza is out and out murder and terrorism by the government of Israel and the billions the US provides for weapons. It's sickening (not one word from Washington. Zip!). The fact that even so called 'left' articles, such as this one, don't understand the basic facts goes to show how deeply the propaganda has sank into the Western mind. If the West has any mind left.
And no, I didn't bother to read the pages and pages of details that, I'm sure, prove some esoteric point that really, really, doesn't matter one wit.
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» True...
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» RE: True...20 years ago does not have anything to do with the current murder spree by Israel
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Posted by: willymack on Jan 3, 2009 11:15 AM
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Posted by: using on Jan 3, 2009 11:43 AM
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1. The United States encouraged
2. Saudi Arabia generous financial contributions made possible
3. Israel, forced to protect itself from terrorist attacks by patrolling the Palestinian area, allowed
schools, social services agencies, and medical facillities to be built.
And by this act of generousity the three nations bare the base responsibility for Hamas and his hate mongering terrorists tactics.
So, to be clear, you hold the generousity and concern for human existance of the Saudis, Israelis and the United States as responsible for the poverty, the terrorism, the desire to distroy Israel etc.
The schools are only buildings....those who decided what is taught in those schools bear the burden of responsibility. Why did you use these facilitieis to teach hate, to reshape truth, to invent lies that incited hatred, murder and war rather than the kind of education that would direct the Palestinians in bettering the quality of their life?
Who is responsible if not these generous nations?
.....perhaps the leaders, the teachers, the vision, the philosophy that was taught in the schools, in the streets, in the mosques instead of the subjects that could help Palestinians grow as a people.
If Isreal thought that religion could help..it may have been because they believed in religion and community. And that was a time when fundalism was growing in both Israel and the United States and so they were supporting what they valued. How it was used...that is the Responsiblity of the leaders and the thinking of the populace.
And surely you are not saying that basic Islamic religious beliefs are responsible for producing terrorist or supporting murder and purposefully targeting civilians not in self defense but with a desire to distroy a nation.
My teachers told me: there were two ways to make a nation great 1. to build itself 2. to tear down another.
The truth is that when religious groups incite anger, hatred, war, murder or genocide of a people THEY ARE CLEARLY MISUSING RELIGION AND THEIR CITIZENRY to further their agenda rather than the best interests of the people.
Now instead of focusing on rewriting the truth by selecting pieces that can be spun to control the actions of your masses by the hatred incited allow Palestinian children to see themselves as the future of a great nation. And that can happen only if YOU give them the kind of education that focuses on reaching their potential.
For a people to stand up...even in the most downtrodden of circumstances, they need leaders who can see the truth of their situation and have the vision to build change.
Refusing to work out an equitable win-win situation that will allow Palestinians to become a positive political force on a planet that so sorely needs positive imput is not the answer to a better world in general or a better life for the Palestinians.
I hope as I read this article, which so far, has lit a fire of anger in me against the misrepresentation and misinterpretation.
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Posted by: remo on Jan 3, 2009 11:47 AM
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We have now had to endure the spokesperson of a state [Netenyahu] declaring "humanity" being "on their side", while the besieged population of a hunted coralled and then tormented indigenous group is described as 'terrorist'. Go back a few years. where did we last hear the human being sub-grouped during siege before? Does Netenyahu mean to suggest that by having humanity on his side, humanity is not on the 'side' of Palestine? And what is he telling me to expect in terms of mercy if this is to be the case?
If the 'free' press was., this aspect and its ramification, would be widely discussed and condemned.
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Posted by: kick on Jan 3, 2009 12:30 PM
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(ISAIAH 45:7)-" I form the light and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the LORD do all these things"
Here it explicitly states that God creates evil as well as makes peace. Considering that since the invention of man made religions there has always existed war, it appears that the Jews and their God like war more than peace. Isreal practiced ethic cleansing throught out the old testament, killing women and children after God gave them the victory. How convenient.
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Jan 4, 2009 6:21 AM
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What it really points out is not that the US is responsible for the current situation in the mid east re Hamas, but that there is nothing but fanatical groups to deal with in the mid east, no matter who they are.
The Palestinians plight as desperate as it is is further exacerbated by the fanatical positions of their supposed leaders.
I always wonder, where is the rest of the Arab community with billions in oil revenue with aid and money for infrastructure, food etc ?
Considering that they can't even share it with their own people no wonder the Palestinians will be left to define the Arab world struggle against Israel!
THAT is their real plight! A people sacrificed for the" greater" Arab/Jew battle!
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Posted by: babs on Jan 4, 2009 10:51 AM
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Israel is right now resisting calls for a cease-fire from U.S. allies (Britain to name one, and other members of the security council), so is this a parting shot from Cheney and Bush? Will they declare a state of emergency before the inauguration and keep power?
I would not put it past Bush/Cheney/Olmert to do just that. Are the hard-line Zionists afraid of Obama? Is this their way of keeping the status quo for AIPAC and all of America?
The situation makes me sick and I'm not alone in that. What gives me the creeps however, is what lies underneath.
Happy new year my ass!
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Posted by: ava1984 on Jan 4, 2009 10:58 AM
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Israel and the US cut the guts out of the meager assistance they allowed for these oppressed people; our fellow human beings.
The puppet-in-chief puffed himself up in righteous indignation declaring that the will of the Palestinian people must be ignored; after all elections only count when they can be stolen. There should be a big fat asterisk next to any bio of Bush; one of the greatest, along with Grendel Cheney, terrorists ever.
Of course, that is just my opinion; based on the facts. The cock-sucking corporate media has much, and I hope that they are called to account someday, for which to answer. If not for the Internet we would all be far more ignorant than we are.
Violence, against helpless civilians is evil; no matter who does it. As a citizen of the US, I recognize, that to the world, we are as guilty as the the criminals who, far from harm, commit atrocities every day in our names.
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Posted by: starvinmarvy on Jan 4, 2009 3:30 PM
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Israel probably has more security infrastructure than any country on this planet.They have access to to the absolute latest technology.They have the tools to eliminate certain "undesirables" with out killing woman and children.So....whats their ultimate goal? My guess its to enlarge the state.To make more room for the "chosen"! To eliminate a legitimate adversary with reasons they choose to over exaggerate!
Keep reading melpol....keep searching other databases. Whatever your belief system is....when you read "truth" its hard to disregard it.Hopefully in the near future ...we will all unite on behalf of each other....on behalf of truth....instead of lies from those who wish to deny the population/world the truth...to live and love
for one another and not become a tool of our education/religious systems that want us to remain slaves of the machine. Step back and think.....what the heck is/has been going on here for "God`s" sake!
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Posted by: dockboy on Jan 4, 2009 11:20 PM
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» "South Park" goes over one head
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Posted by: jstepp590 on Jan 5, 2009 9:36 AM
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I like this article because most of the time in media we hear about Palestinian terrorists and Israel fighting for her survival, period. It makes it sound like Israel has done nothing worng but exist! Any time I read that I can be pretty sure that either the reporter is too stupid to do a real story or it's propaganda.
Our bias towards Israel is as much to blame for the deaths on both sides as the people pulling the trigger. Until we are willing to kick both their butts, equally, we will continue to have problems there.
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Posted by: fonn on Jan 7, 2009 1:54 AM
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During this war a US warship called Liberty was bombed by Israel. This deadly attack has never been fully investigated by the US. One can only surmise that Washington simply had to keep a lid on the incident because an investigation would have exposed America's participation in that war, that it was probably a case of friendly fire from planes flown by American pilots.
1973 Yom Kippur war: This war was apparently well planned by the Egyptians and the Syrians. According to a former officer in the Egyptian army whom I met in Scandinavia while he was on some course of study there, the plan to go to war was kept from the Russians who had supplied most of the modern weapons to the Egyptians, including the SAMS (the surface to air missiles). This officer, along with his colleagues, was ordered by Cairo to move the Russian advisers away from the Suez Canal where the SAMS had been installed. Then, according to the officer, the order to launch an attack came from Cairo not by telephone or radio but by a messenger travelling by road from Cairo to the Canal. The order was to first hold their anti-aircraft fire until the Egyptian air force had completed its mission to bomb enemy positions in Sinai and had returned to their bases. After that the SAMS were to shoot down all planes in the sky as the ground forces crossed the canal and took up positions on that side with their anti-tank weapons. Apparently this was a huge success, the Egyptians destroying 40 Israeli planes in the first day of the war as reported by well informed sources at the time. Subsequently, according to a former CIA operative now retired and also living in the Philippines (on the island of Leyte) whom I met when I was in that country, the Israelis lost hundreds of their tanks and were in danger of losing most of their air force. They faced certain defeat and extinction. But the Americans had already stepped in and were bringing in new hardware and pilots and tank crews. This CIA man himself had been sent there to help the Israelis.
The following is from Wikipedia:
"In a 1993 interview for the Johnson Presidential Library oral history archives U.S. Secretary of Defence Robert McNamara revealed that a Carrier battle group, the U.S. 6th Fleet, already on a training exercise near Gibraltar was re-positioned towards the eastern Mediterranean to defend Israel."
"...BBC journalist Jeremy Bowen claims that on 4 June, 1967 the Israeli ship Miryam left Felixstowe with cases of machine guns, 105 mm tank shells, and armored vehicles in "the latest of many consignments of arms that had been sent secretly to Israel from British and American reserves since the crisis started" and that "Israeli transport planes had been running a 'shuttle service' in and out of RAF Waddington in Lincolnshire". Bowen claims that Harold Wilson had written to Eshkol saying that he was glad to help as long as the utmost secrecy was maintained."
Nasser:
"What is now established is that American and British aircraft carriers were off the shores of the enemy helping his war effort. Also, British aircraft raided, in broad daylight, positions of the Syrian and Egyptian fronts, in addition to operations by a number of American aircraft reconnoitering some of our positions...the enemy was operating with an air force three times stronger than his normal force."
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